[12:03] andrewski: what is the last message you get from inside pbuilder? [12:04] pbuilder: debootstrap failed [12:04] -> Aborting with an error [12:04] -> cleaning the build env [12:04] -> removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/build//5987 and its subdirectories [12:04] that's right after the warning. [12:04] andrewski: the interesting stuff is just before deboostrap failed, what's there? [12:05] ok... pastebinning... brb. :-P [12:05] :) [12:06] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9078 [12:08] andrewski: oh nice... my first guess is, that you did everything right [12:08] that's good to hear. :) [12:09] andrewski: yep... archive.ubuntu.com seems to have problems atm [12:09] hm. so i could change my mirror and probably be good to go? [12:09] andrewski: you could try that, or just wait until a.u.c is fixed [12:09] i'll try changing my mirror. [12:14] sistpoty: and you said that dapper is usable now? i'm tempted to go ahead and upgrade, but this is on my laptop, which i want to work. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] andrewski: I've been using it for quite some time, and I didn't notice any big problems recently [12:15] sistpoty: this close to release, it's only likely to be small updates, right? [12:15] I must say I have found GNOME a little sluggish on my P4, whereas Breezy runs fine. [12:16] andrewski: we're almost at feature-freeze, so mostly bugfixing === sistpoty is afk now... dinner is ready [12:16] hmm... and i could justify upgrading so that i could help find and squash bugs too. :) [12:17] TheMuso: hmm, odd. i wonder why? [12:18] andrewski: some of us have run dapper since it opened :) [12:18] so it's obviously not too bad [12:27] it's had its moments === nomed [n=nomed@host196-58.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shelagh [n=shelagh@60-240-125-20.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jahraztah [n=jahrazta@CPE0006255ab096-CM0011e6bec6bf.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] i can vouch that the "alpha" experience with dapper was much nicer than it was with breezy [12:41] lol [12:41] hello i was wondering whether the version of gtk-gnutella in dapper willbe upgraded to the latest stable version since the verison in dapper is expired and will not function === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa187.11.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] this also goes for breezy backport [12:42] current stable working version is 0.96 and version in repository is 0.96b b for beta [12:43] jahraztah: We are currently in upstream version freeze, but a request may have been made to update it, I don't know. [12:43] but this is very important [12:44] a new version of dapper comming with an expired version of a software [12:44] and the version was expired many days ahead of upstream version freeze [12:44] 24 January 2006, Version 0.96 Released [12:44] jahraztah: do you know which version is in debian? === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] 0.96 [12:46] The debian version is 0.96cvs200602040801-2 [12:47] ok [12:47] we should wait for debian to get the final, and then request an UVF exception [12:47] c/ [12:47] Note that feature freeze is only days away. [12:48] days? just ~20 hours [12:48] normally i wouldn't request like this, but this upgrade is important, because the software doesn't function if not upgraded, do you know what i mean? [12:48] we can get a UVF exception after FF can't we? [12:48] LaserJock: yes [12:49] the offical website does provide a deb, and the deb is fully working so far on my ubuntu [12:51] will dapper include software to allow easy installation of debs without opening a terminal. like a gui front using dpkg [12:53] like synaptic? [12:53] jahraztah: yes, we have got gdebi for that now [12:53] or do you mean gdebi for the single packages? [12:53] or gdebi [12:54] yes, like when u download a deb file from the net you u just double click it and the applicaton launches and installs for you [12:54] and show all the things that are happening, like where it'll install and package info, and also dependencies [12:55] because dpkg does nothing about dependency. and you have to manually downlaod tha packages and then re-install the deb [12:55] not really [12:55] apt-get -f install resolves dependancies on partially installed debs [12:56] oh i did not know that === fbond|away is now known as fbond === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o fbond] by fbond === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o fbond] by ChanServ [12:57] crud [12:58] fbond: man, that thing loves you ;-) [12:58] i know jesus i already got the authorities involved [12:58] I don't know if Jesus had anything to do with it, but ok. ;-) === nomed [n=nomed@host131-164.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] i should hope he wouldn't be getting involved here === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o fbond] by fbond [01:00] From a glance, gtk-gnutella is probably just a straight sync. === fbond is now known as fbond|away [01:00] Going by the changelogs. Haven't looked any deeper though. === fbond|away is now known as fbond [01:01] TheMuso: debdiff (and filterdiff) or diff for the debian-dir is your friend ;) [01:01] When packaging, how do you get different file ownership than the default, do you have to adjust postinst? [01:01] sistpoty: I know. [01:01] :) [01:02] mr-russ: afaik yes. [01:02] okay. [01:02] mr-russ: just look in the debian-policy, I bet there is s.th. about file ownership in there ;) [01:03] wow, s.o. is working on the new-queue :) [01:04] sistpoty: thanks. 10.9 :) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] hehe [01:06] Gee. The changelog has had a lot of editing done to it since universe got 0.96b. [01:07] sistpoty: good, so a few things should work again - hopefully syncs get handled also [01:07] ajmitch: yes... hopefully I will be more successful in getting an answer right now than with my previous tries ;) [01:09] hehe [01:09] sounds like it was more fun with soyuz [01:10] definitely ;) [01:10] hmm...pbuilder is failing to update with md5 errors [01:10] anyone seen this? [01:11] wouldn't surprise me [01:11] archive.u.c is having issues today === TheMuso was able to update his 3 builders, one of which is on powerpc with no problems. [01:12] is there a mirror? [01:15] fbond: sure... iirc there was a list of mirrors in the wiki [01:15] Although now I am not having such luck, even though there is a good chance there is nothing to update. [01:15] w00t. exifprobe is in [01:15] heh. Just to show you how bad the issues are, one ofo my i386 builders completed successfully, whereas the other one failed. [01:15] fbond: hey... sorry, I thought you went on vacation so I did qsampler. I started doing linuxsampler, but I can't get that gcc crap to go away. I read the FAQ, but that didn't work for me [01:16] hub: congrats :) [01:16] hugin will wait because of the license [01:16] but they'll fix the problem upstream [01:16] by using vigra 1.4 that is MIT licensed [01:17] fbond: so thanks :) [01:17] i just finished linuxsampler [01:17] qsampler is done [01:17] ? [01:18] sistpoty: do all ubuntu package repos also contain current dapper? [01:18] dolson: yeah i was sick for a few days, needed sleep more than anything [01:19] sleep? what's that? ;) [01:19] fbond: yeah, I did qsampler yesterday [01:19] I think... or maybe earlier today? geez, I don't even know now [01:19] fbond: no idea... if these are complete mirrors, they do [01:19] ah [01:20] dolson: ok, then that should be good to go [01:20] dolson: btw.: vcf-plugins uploaded... I guess my concern wasn't really justified... :) [01:20] where can I monitor status of dssi sync from debian? [01:20] fbond: is the sync requested already? [01:20] fbond: it didn't rely on linuxsampler, so I was able to do it first. and I think the dapper-changes list [01:21] sistpoty: cool deal! please upload anything with fbond's name on it ;) [01:21] sistpoty: i am in revu as forest@alittletooquiet.ent [01:21] dolson: I'm already reviewing like a mad man ;) [01:21] sistpoty: siretart had said it was on his todo list [01:22] fbond: if we do get all these music apps in, we'll be my heroes! [01:22] hehehe [01:22] fbond: ah... good, but I think it will be a few days until syncs will be progressed again (due to the statement on -dev some minutes ago) [01:22] dolson: just like i'd always dreamed... [01:23] fbond: I am not sure I am comfortable knowing that you dream of me. [01:23] fbond: you could always subscribe to the changes-mailing list, and check for dssi-accepted message [01:23] sistpoty: ok. there are some packages in revu that depend on dssi [01:23] some important packages! [01:23] dolson: don't get too uncomfortable. i was mostly being polite. [01:23] lol [01:24] I guess I will build dssi locally for reviewing pending packages... [01:24] that, of course, would be appreciated. don't kill yourself, though. [01:25] dolson, sistpoty: i'd like to get dssi-vst in, but wondered if anyone had thoughts on the licensing issues [01:25] fbond: That is a curly one. [01:26] yes, it would have to be an automated download [01:26] during build [01:26] I think it has been discussed a lot of linux audio dev and user, but I am not aware of what the conclusion was. [01:26] or create a separate package called vstsdk [01:26] right [01:26] i had created a vstsdk package that downloaded the SDK at install time [01:26] fbond: I did om and omins too. wasnt hard at all... firstly, the libs were already in dapper, and the FlowCanvass thing I guess is distributed in the source, not a separate lib to package [01:26] I know it would be nice to ship, but the license is a tough one. [01:26] dolson: terrific [01:26] TheMuso: not really [01:27] it's this simple: you can not distribute source of VST SDK in any form [01:27] dssi-vst makes an exception from the GPL in its license that allows distribution of dssi-vst without VST SDK source [01:27] at least for dssi-vst, licensing is pretty cut-and-dry [01:27] Right. [01:28] it's just a simple matter of making dssi-vst buildable by an automated build machine [01:28] fbond: is dssi-vst on revu? can't find it there [01:28] i.e. [01:28] sistpoty: no, not ATM [01:28] i've not uploaded my previous [01:28] package [01:28] fbond: can you point me to the licence / upstream tarball? [01:28] cause Steinberg, in the meantime, released a new version of the SDK [01:28] sure [01:29] http://www.steinberg.net/sdk_downloads/vst_29468/index.php [01:29] dssi-vst is a very important thing for musicians, especially anyone coming from Win32 who invested any money or time into certain VSTs.. I sure hope something can be worked out [01:29] the new version of the SDK does not compile cleanly with dssi-vst [01:29] will probably require some tweaking [01:29] and Steinberg doesn't make old versions available after new releases [01:29] and old versions are not redistributable [01:29] so some work is in order [01:30] fbond: There is also the chance that they completely change the URL. [01:30] is there a CVS of dssi-vst? [01:30] TheMuso: yes, we had considered this [01:30] the URL looks very phony [01:30] fbond: I get a file not found [01:30] dolson: yes, i haven't checked it yet [01:30] sistpoty: might've moved, or maybe that's an old link [01:30] sistpoty: hang on a sec... [01:31] thx [01:31] dssi-vst is on sourceforge as a part of dssi package [01:31] use soruceforge CVS if necessary [01:31] cvs hasn't been updated for over a year [01:32] to download VST SDK, Steinberg makes you agree to a license, and then send you an email with a link to the goods [01:32] so i suspect the actual location does change from time to time [01:33] They are trying to prevent the very thing you want to implement I guess. [01:33] http://www.steinberg.de/sdk_downloads/vst_29468/index.php [01:33] TheMuso: yes, they are trying to thwart my noble efforts [01:34] sistpoty: crap [01:34] i think i just pasted the same link [01:34] it is [01:34] ha! [01:34] they are watching IP addresses [01:34] fbond: found it already on sourceforge === ajmitch waits for the black helicopters [01:35] sistpoty: you found VST SDK? [01:35] just license? [01:35] fbond: no, dssi-vst... is this s.th. different? [01:35] sistpoty: probably not [01:35] can't just diff it cause the Steinberg version is a .rtf [01:35] fbond: http://dssi.sourceforge.net/download.html [01:36] fbond: that link works for me [01:37] sistpoty, dolson: yes, i've been there before. where is the VST SDK license on that page? are you sure it is there? [01:37] sistpoty: or did you just want the dssi-vst license? [01:37] fbond: I'm looking through the tarball actually [01:38] yes, the README in the tarball has the dssi-vst licensing info [01:40] dolson: oh, BTW, don't get too down on yourself over linuxsampler package. it wouldn't compile with anything except gcc-3.3 for me. <3.3 = bad; >3.3 = bad; =3.3 = good [01:40] i had to force gcc-3.3 in debian/rules with environment vars to configure step [01:40] and adding appropriate build-depends [01:40] fbond: cuse told me it is "known to work with gcc 4.0" [01:40] dolson: not from what I can tell [01:41] ajmitch: I saw a black helicopter land in the middle of nowhere in Montana once. But I don't think that had anything to do with Linux ;-) [01:41] I think it has similar asm issues as Mx44, which Willem van Engen patched [01:42] fbond: oh... that licensing is a real pita... I guess the only way to do it might be to have a package vst-headers that downloads the header-files in postinst and have dssi-vst depend on that [01:42] fbond: by the way: http://rivironline.com/ubuntu-6.10.png [01:42] LaserJock: but it might've been related to VST! You know how those Germans get... [01:42] jk [01:42] LaserJock: they're out to get you, you know [01:42] fbond: however it's not even guaranteed to work, since you cannot assume to have networking on the buildds (inside the build-environment) [01:43] sistpoty: ouch. [01:43] but in Montana? there is nothing but crazy bombers and cowboys out there. ;-) [01:43] That crossed my mind earlier. [01:44] sistpoty: well, without downloads, it's definately not feasible... [01:44] maybe just a source package... [01:45] fbond: we can't make a sourcepackage, if these files are not redistributable :( [01:45] fbond: I'm not sure about downloading though... maybe infinity or lamont could give a hint there [01:45] i mean dssi-vst source, and require user to manually download VST SDK [01:45] apt-get install dssi-vst-source [01:45] fbond: ah, sure... that would work [01:45] wget vstsdk.zip [01:46] still sounds nasty [01:46] fancy-debian-build-command make-my-dssi-vst [01:46] yes [01:46] nasty [01:46] I doubt the buildds have external net access [01:46] how lonely! [01:46] so the user would need to build this [01:46] dolson: yeah, i tried to rebuild linuxsampler with gcc-4.0. no such luck... === nomed [n=nomed@host51-120.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] gcc-3.3 is the only one that works for me [01:49] that's weird.. [01:49] fbond: gcc-3.3 is a nogo unfortunately... it needs to built at least with 3.4 (and c++ stuff depending on c++ with >4.0) [01:50] oh crap [01:50] um [01:50] gcc-3.3 is in current dapper repos. this will change? [01:50] 3.4 is likely ok. [01:50] hmm just a sec === apacheLAGger [n=Harald@N755P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] dolson, sistpoty: i might've been wrong about gcc-4.0 failing... [01:51] oops, no i was right [01:51] fbond: yes, that will change, maybe for dapper +1... but new packages mustn't use 3.3 any longer [01:51] ok [01:51] gn8 everybody [01:52] fbond: we should figure out how to patch that code I guess.. I don't know where to start, really [01:52] well, let's give 3.4 a shot first [01:52] so, g++-3.4 is not okay? [01:53] fbond: if it's c++ depending on c only, it's ok... but as soon as you've got a dependency on c++ it won't work since c++-abi was changed between 3.4 and 4.0 [01:54] "depending on" = "links against" ? [01:54] exactly [01:54] never really understood this abi stuff :) [01:55] fbond: it will just segfault, if you try to link these together [01:55] ok [01:56] sistpoty: is it okay to compile C with gcc-3.4 and C++ with g++-4.0 and then link them? [01:57] fbond: c abi didn't change, so you can mix up c-code from 3.4 and 4.0 === jroes_ [n=jroes@cpe-071-068-012-253.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] and mixing 4.0 C++ with 3.4 C is okay? just not to familiar with these kinds of compiler issues... [01:58] fbond: yes... c++ linking with c can see only c-interfaces (as there are only c-interfaces) and thus is ok [01:58] okay, thanks! [01:58] np [02:00] crud. g++-4.0 is the problem === pietrus [n=pietrus@tor/session/x-8defc2a1e79f4b21] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] dolson: linuxsampler will not compile with g++-4.0, and links against libgig, which has C++. as a result, g++-4.0 must be used. Where is the info on patching? [02:05] fbond: you mean on patching in debs or patching this specific code problem? [02:05] patching this problem. did you have some info? [02:06] I don't... all I know is that whatever changed between g++ 3 and g++ 4 surely broken ASM stuff, because I had similar issues in Mx44 [02:08] fbond: I will try building the latest CVS [02:08] dolson: congrats, qamix is in [02:08] dolson: ok [02:08] sistpoty: cool :) [02:08] dolson: next thing to do is also check the build-logs (as soon as there are any) [02:08] Any others motus around that could have a look at My few packages? :) [02:08] dolson: know where you can find these? [02:09] Sorry dolson, I just feel that a11y is just as important as audio. :) [02:09] sistpoty: not as of yet, but you are surely going to tell me :) [02:09] TheMuso: indeed it is [02:10] dolson: But you were there first. :) [02:10] can I get somebody to look at the debian/copyright file at http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/copyright ? [02:10] dolson: https://launchpad.net/people/adolson/+packages, then just click on the version-link and then on the link under release to get to the buildlogs [02:11] sistpoty: sweet. [02:11] dolson: yeah, I just found out about the +packages today. very cool. [02:11] Ah! Finally got all pbuilders updated. 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[02:16] in /usr/share/mywebapp/cache or maybe in /var/cache/mywebapp and symlink to /usr/share/mywebapp? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] dolson: i gotta run for a bit. let me know how things go with linuxsampler CVS? [02:17] marcin`: did you take a look at fhs for this (in package debian-policy)? [02:17] fbond: k, thanks for reminding me, lol [02:17] later === dolson got distracted by TV === fbond is now known as fbond|away [02:17] sistpoty: kind of... === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] sistpoty: it's pretty unusual situation so there is no simple answer.. [02:18] sistpoty: I think that user files should go to /var/cache... [02:19] sistpoty: but I'm not sure so I ask here... [02:19] marcin`: not really sure... if you delete one of these files, what happens then? [02:20] sistpoty: well there is no files currently [02:20] sistpoty: this webapp creates only directory structure [02:20] sistpoty: to keep user files there in future [02:21] sistpoty: it's for user uploads [02:21] marcin`: so if a user uploads a file, it will end up there? what if these file is deleted afterwards... will you get data-loss, broken links or s.th.? [02:22] sistpoty: propably not [02:23] sistpoty: it's: /cache/images /cache/import /cache/upload [02:23] sistpoty: with 'fake' index.html files in each directory [02:23] marcin`: if a manual deletion of a file there is fully recoverable, /var/cache/mywebapp is the place to go [02:23] sistpoty: and these html files contains only 'This directory must be writable by the webserver user.' [02:24] marcin`: if not, probably /var/lib/mywebapp [02:24] ok - and symlink to /usr/share/mywebapp ? [02:24] marcin`: if you really need these, yes [02:25] (if you can change the path directly, please avoid putting symlinks in there) [02:25] well I need this unfortunately [02:26] this path is hardcoded in php code [02:26] to /$webappdir/cache [02:26] then either patch the code or use symlinks ;) [02:27] so if I keep webapp files in /usr/share/webapp then cache has to be there [02:27] yup [02:27] do all files in the source need to be covered under debian/copyright or just the ones installed? === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-44-135.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] phew... no idea really... if these aren't installed, you wouldn't need to have info on the copyright about them. and if you use the sourcepackage you'll have the copyright information anyway... but OTOH it's convenient to have them all in debian/copyright, thus you can easily install another file w.o. having a messed up copyright [02:30] brb === xerox_ [n=paolo@adsl-175-171.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] fbond|away: no luck.. I fear this is going to be a no-go === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-14-135.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-98-177.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] Hello, dolson; how can I help? I don't know how to start. [02:53] help what [02:53] shelagh: What do you want to help with? [02:53] hi minghua [02:53] I wrote to you the other day (e-mail) to say I would help if I could [02:54] shelagh: ah, I was thinking your name looked familiar [02:54] with learning how to make packages or testing or whatever. [02:54] evening LaserJock === odla [n=chris@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] shelagh: do you know how to progran at all? [02:54] hey i no longer need espresso or casper installed if i have dapper installed to my harddrive do i? [02:55] in theory, but not in practice yet. [02:55] shelagh: oh...so if i purge them...that's bad? [02:55] odla, sorry iwas replyting to something else. [02:56] ok === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] Where do I find out about using the packaging utilities? the documentation seems a little sparce on my harddrive. [02:58] shelagh: check the links in the topic [02:58] shelagh: right now I'm not really doing anything... I'm just waiting with baited breath to see if there are any fixes I need to make to my packages before feature freeze which is on the 23rd. but I am looking up stuff about trying to get LinuxSampler's compilation errors resolved so forest can fix his package in time [02:58] hi all [02:58] zakame! :) [02:59] heya dolson! :D [03:00] dolson: got it. I'll do some reading and practicing. [03:01] shelagh: are you familiar with any music software yet? if so, could you write some quick tutorials, like a quick-start guide? for instance, if you did one for Audacity, just show how to record multiple tracks, mute tracks, solo, volume levels, time shift, envelope editor, and plugins. just real quick, to the point, intros. not real advanced stuff [03:03] dolson: hmm... my experience has been struggling with midi and rosegarden, lilypond stuff. They have pretty good documentation. If I could work out how to get midi going reliably in ubuntu, I would happily do a tute on that! === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F91F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] what is the state of lilypond? do you guys use it much? === seth_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dolson can't read a note === fbond|away is now known as fbond [03:09] dolson: I'm not seeing much useful info === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] one guarranteed fix is to disable MMX/SSE asm optimizations [03:09] is it worth dropping to get the package in, for now? [03:09] hmm... sounds good to me [03:09] ok [03:09] i'll get it rolling [03:10] actually, Mx44 has MMX disabled, I think [03:11] ah [03:11] well that solves things pretty easily, although it is less than ideal === odla [n=chris@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [03:12] i will see if i can work with upstream to get the problem resolved [03:12] but for now, no asm optimizations [03:12] thanks man [03:12] I appreciate your work [03:12] not a problem :) and you've done well yourself [03:13] thanks :) we should look at building a 2.6.15-ck === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] dolson: That will very likely break a lot of other stuff that depends on particular kernel patches/drivers in the distro if the user chooses to install that kernel. [03:14] TheMuso: it is required for realtime audio... so there is not really any option. this is outside of ubuntu anyhow [03:15] dolson: I know. But what about the extra drivers that have been patched into the current kernel. Users just might need them. [03:15] TheMuso: my package is based on ubuntu's. those drivers are there. [03:15] the config is nearly identical, insomuch as it can be [03:15] until Ingo's patch is accepted into mainline, there's not a lot we can do [03:15] i just modified the patch list [03:15] took out incompatible patches, added -ck6 [03:16] (to my 2.6.12-ck6 package) [03:16] Righto then. [03:16] You will be lucky if you can get it in, or are you not trying to get it in? [03:16] I have been asking about this today here but I'll try again [03:16] i don't anticipate that a non-MOTU will be submitting a kernel package, no [03:16] Fair enough. [03:16] does anyone here know if are there any plans to implement conditional dependencies in dpkg/apt? [03:16] besides, there are loose strings WRT patched PAM, bash, etc, no? [03:17] marcin: I doubt it [03:17] fbond: I haven't heard anything back from Mark about a -rt kernel ever since the last thing I sent you [03:17] you would have to check with Debian to know for sure though [03:17] fbond: Yeah. IIRC dolson asked about that in #ubuntu-devel and kamion said he would have a look. [03:17] the pam stuff that is. [03:17] that's right.. he assigned the bug to himself [03:17] fbond: ok I'll try on debian channel [03:17] this is not very useful info to me... I'm a bit out of the loop [03:18] marcin: good luck...sorry couldn't be more help [03:18] fbond: but it's really strange that there is no such feature in dpkg yet.. === odla [n=chris@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] I sure hope that it gets into dapper in time.. the PAM patch at least. it's very small, even I understand what happens in the patch, and that's saying something [03:18] marcin: i would guess that it is not useful that often. most packaging scenarios are pretty straight-forward === odla [n=chris@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [03:18] fbond: so I hope there is a chance to make at least feature request === herzi [n=herzi@c153053.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] Cnditional deps? [03:19] fbond: most - yes... [03:19] dolson: me too. linuxsampler is done-and-done [03:19] fbond: but there are more complicated packages [03:19] nice. I'll dl it and try it out here, along with my qsampler [03:19] okay gotta run to grocery store before... sorry to take off in such a flash [03:19] TheMuso: yes - related with debconf [03:19] marcin: hmmm, i'd have to think about it. maybe there is an alt. solution. [03:20] i'll be back, anyhow === fbond is now known as fbond|away [03:20] TheMuso: for example you got webapp that can use mysql or postgresql database or remote database [03:20]