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robotgeekhey Hobbsee_away 12:07
Hobbsee_awayhey robotgeek :)12:07
mornfallHobbsee_away: i never got to see your first name12:07
mornfallHobbsee_away: you are "Hobbsee" to me12:07
robotgeekHobbsee_away: did you party? :)12:07
mornfalla purple nick in #kubuntu-devel12:07
mornfall:-)12:07
mornfallmagenta12:07
mornfallor how is the colour called12:08
mornfallpossibly, i'll forget in few days again anyway :)12:08
mornfalllike i forgot that navindra is a guy few times (i was always thinking navindra is a female name... weird)12:09
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mornfall--> night12:11
mornfallgn12:11
robotgeeklater mornfall 12:11
robotgeekmoving sucks, it will take 2 more hours before the iso is downloaded, <sigh>12:13
Hobbsee_awaymornfall: hehe - my terminal shows sarah@sarah: - so a lot of people figured it out that way12:14
Hobbsee_awayrobotgeek: no, i went to work, and got rear-ended on my way there, or maybe the car behind me did12:14
robotgeekHobbsee_away: i was just sitting at home, unpacking12:15
Hobbsee_away:)12:15
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alleeHobbsee_away: ping?01:08
alleeHobbsee_away: why do you suggest in WPAhowto to first purge wpasupplicant?01:08
Hobbsee_awayallee: pong01:11
alleeping pog01:12
Hobbsee_awayi didnt, that was already part of the guide01:12
alleeHobbsee: care to remove it ;)01:12
Hobbseeactually, seveas went and reverted all my changes to it - all i did was combine two of the wiki docs on wpa into one01:13
allee I saw you applied for membership.  Can I gratulate?01:13
Hobbseeso i'm not sure really sure what to do with it now, and would hate to step on someone's toes again01:13
Hobbseeallee: thanks :) i got it, too :)01:13
alleeokay, great.  Congrats!01:14
alleedid he give any reason for the revert?01:14
Hobbsee[Wed Feb 22 2006]  [11:36:28]  <Seveas> I just reverted the WPAHowto page - the things you added were quite crackful and at some places broken. I'll add the good bits again soon.01:15
Hobbsee[Wed Feb 22 2006]  [11:37:06]  <Hobbsee> oh were they?01:15
Hobbsee[Wed Feb 22 2006]  [11:37:37]  <Seveas> yes, at least for breezy01:15
=== Hobbsee didnt see any broken bits, and tried them on her system first
alleemhmm. okay01:18
Hobbseeheh...yeah01:18
Hobbseeso i'm most curious to see which bits were broken01:18
Hobbseeunfortunately i forgot to save the text file of what i'd done - silly me!01:18
alleeI curious too. Let's check the diff ..01:18
Hobbseeallee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto if you didnt already have it01:20
alleethx I had it. I check the diff.  heh, lots of assumptions ;)01:21
Hobbseehehe01:21
Hobbseewell, it's true - if your network wont work without encryption, it wont work with!01:21
alleeHobbsee: got you ;) sudo dpkg --purge wpasupplicant01:21
=== Hobbsee did a copy paste of the information and collaborated it - i didnt write it!
Hobbseebut yeah01:22
Hobbseestarting with a new config seems to be the idea01:22
allee'k it's no big deal.  I was just wondering about the why.01:23
alleemhm, at least in dapper wpasupplicant is started behind the scene no need for  post-/pre- stuff01:26
alleeand the longish sudo dhclient ... is better done with iface wlan0 inet dhcp and a ifup wlan001:27
alleeHobbsee: I hope that (k)netswitch will make WPAhowto much simpler ;)  Now looking into these new beasts ..01:30
Hobbseeallee: i hope so too - i'm finding very little of decent wireless stuff in kubuntu01:31
Hobbseebecause kwifimanager seems to lie01:31
alleeHobbsee: yeah, network mgnt as is for laptop needs lots of love to be useful01:32
Hobbseeheh, yeah, tell me about it01:33
robotgeekthe closest think i've seen to "neat" is the script on WifiHowto, lol01:33
=== Hobbsee has yet to make that work properly
Hobbseemind you, i'm kinda new to wireless01:33
robotgeekHobbsee: nowadays, i just edit the essid in the script i'm running, lol01:33
alleeHobbsee: have you WEP working with wpasupplicant too?01:33
Hobbseemight be a good idea01:33
Hobbseeallee: havent tried - dad decided to go straight from unencrypted to wpa01:34
Hobbseeand it's not worth trying to change it permanently, unless you want hobbsee to be deaded hobbsee lol01:34
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robotgeek1:39 to complete download, *tsk*01:35
alleegood choice.  I need both and as is I have only WEP or only WPA working.  Switch need minimal editing :(01:35
Hobbseeah ok01:35
robotgeekbut why would you need both together, isn't that a bit of an overkill?01:36
alleerobotgeek: laptop tend to move location. And I'm not everywhere the owner of the AP01:36
robotgeekallee: yes, but do they actually have both together01:37
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alleerobotgeek: no01:37
robotgeeki'm trying to find out, cause i would be in deep trouble. i dunno what WPA is, lol01:37
=== Hobbsee couldnt make WPA work perfectly with hte old WPA page anyway - i'd try to cancel, and it'd stop working
alleeHobbsee: as mentioned earlier every wifi driver needs special treatment.  WPA works with modprobe/rmmod (or maybe hwencypt=0) for ipw2200 (in dapper)01:39
Hobbseetrue01:39
alleelets cross finger that the kernel dev finaly agree on a common wifi stack so we get much less driver depended bugs01:40
Hobbseemmmm...nasty01:44
Hobbseeyeah, that'd be nice!01:44
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Hobbseeah, got rid of it.   silly kwifimanager01:45
freeflyingHobbsee: congradulate your membership01:46
Hobbseefreeflying: thankyou :)01:48
alleemhmm02:23
alleeAnyone tried knetswitch? here I get a crash after I entered my pw02:48
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ubijtsa2andred: seems like your server is having issues. Have we hammered your bandwidth a bit much?09:07
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Tonio__hi all10:10
freeflyinghi Tonio_ 10:15
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Hobbsee_awayhey Tonio_ 10:36
lianghuhi freeflying10:37
Tonio_hey Hobbsee_away, freeflying 10:37
freeflyinglianghu: hi10:37
lianghuI don't find dapper room10:38
freeflyinglianghu: dappr is just the name of coming release10:39
lianghuI know10:39
freeflyinglianghu: u may attend #ubuntu ,#kubuntu ,#ubuntu-zh10:39
lianghuOk10:39
Riddellmorning lianghu, another of our growing CKJ helpers?10:59
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RiddellI see Hobbsee got tough with the late night #kubuntu revellers last night :)11:01
Hobbseewho were these?11:01
Hobbseeoh, the idiot that was calling someone else a whore?11:01
Hobbseelol...yeah...11:02
Hobbseei was glad that they didnt continue with their painfulness - i had to go and have dinner!11:03
Hobbseeand i take it that last night means a couple of hours ago11:04
freeflyingRiddell: lianghu is also from chinese , and he is living in the same city with me 11:05
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Tonio_Riddell: gloubiboulga fixed the gnetswitch issue :)11:36
Tonio_was ust a .mk problem, autotools needed instead of gonome.mk11:37
freeflyinglooking for review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=200411:55
RiddellTonio_: what is cursors/default/index.theme for?12:01
Tonio_Riddell: to have the kubuntu human cursor during the kdm theme12:06
Tonio_and in appications using X cursor like firefox12:06
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Tonio_Riddell: it is a well known tip to correct the cursor issue in firefox 12:09
Tonio_I forgot to add that in the changelog sorry12:09
Riddellnice12:09
Tonio_that's the reason it took me long to do that, cause I first had to search for little issues;)12:10
Hobbsee_is that the darned cursor in firefox not inheriting the general kubuntu theme?12:11
Riddellwhat is ra0,ra1 for network interfaces?12:20
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mornfallHobbsee: it's firefox -- it has to be special12:54
Hobbseemornfall: hehe no it doesnt!  i've enjoyed *not* having to constantly make that change!12:55
Hobbseemind you, have to make xorg changes instead, but oh well hehe12:57
jeroenvrpmmm I like to submit bugs for adept, but kde.bugs.org doesnt want help me today01:04
mornfallhmm01:04
mornfallbugs.kde.org too :)01:05
jeroenvrpah yes :-)01:05
jeroenvrpno serious it doesnt want to continue01:05
jeroenvrpah01:05
jeroenvrpit does now01:05
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jeroenvrpmornfall: thats bug #101:12
jeroenvrpactually the only real bug01:12
jeroenvrpI also have a wishlist item01:12
mornfalljeroenvrp: for the bug, i may need more details... probably the output from konsole01:14
mornfalljeroenvrp: you also should run sudo dpkg --configure -a because your system is probably now broken :-)01:14
jeroenvrpmornfall: you mean the konsole inside adept?01:14
mornfallyes01:15
jeroenvrpok, because gdb doesnt give much output01:15
mornfallit's not gdb output really01:15
mornfall:)01:15
jeroenvrpmornfall: yes I know, it needs to crash for that01:15
jeroenvrpso I can do a backtrace01:15
jeroenvrpoh wait maybe I can still to that01:16
mornfallyou can do backtrace any time (just hit ctrl+c and write bt), but that's not very usefull01:16
mornfallin this context01:16
viviersfRiddell, how do i add actions to kde again ?01:16
jeroenvrp(gdb) bt01:16
jeroenvrpNo stack.01:16
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jeroenvrp:-(01:16
viviersfright click one file type stuff01:16
mornfallit won't help anyway01:16
mornfallwell01:16
mornfallyou can do break __cxa_throw01:16
mornfallbut gdb is sort of broken01:16
mornfallnowadays01:16
jeroenvrpBreakpoint 1 at 0x37b82a1901:16
mornfallat least i can't seem to run a forking+threading app like adept in it01:16
mornfalljeroenvrp: and then run it, to see where the exception comes from (doing bt when getting to the breakpoint)01:17
jeroenvrpmornfall: do you need the wishlist item here at bugs.kde.org?01:17
mornfalljeroenvrp: depends on how much you want it implemented -- if you just tell me, chances are i forget01:17
jeroenvrpits a very small one01:17
jeroenvrpso it seems01:17
mornfallb.k.o is more reliable :)01:17
jeroenvrpok I do that01:18
jeroenvrpmornfall: sudo dpkg --configure -a : is doing indeed a few packages, strange normally those unconfigured packages are seen in synaptic01:19
jeroenvrpthe first one was indeed samba-common01:20
jeroenvrplets add rthat01:20
mornfallprobably a bug in packages (file conflict or such)01:20
jeroenvrpmornfall: it happens all the time, but I will give you next time info from konsole01:21
mornfallwell, if it happens once it'll happen always unless the problem is resolved somehow01:23
mornfallbecause it'll always die with same package01:23
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Riddellviviersf: add them where?01:24
Riddellviviersf: konq service menus /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/01:24
jeroenvrpmornfall: I see the wish has allready been submitted and closed wit a won't fix :-( Anyhow I still added a comment to it: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11692501:26
mornfallyeah, i'm mean01:27
jeroenvrpit seems lik eit :-)01:28
mornfallbut adding options for this kind of thing really does not make sense -- fix the system instead of adding configure options to work around it in various ways :)01:28
jeroenvrpmornfall: the "configure" question is more like a comprimise01:30
jeroenvrpbut thats my opinion01:31
mornfallwell, even if i made it configurable -- what would we win?01:32
mornfalldefault would still be same01:32
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viviersfRiddell, ya i figured it out thx01:36
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Tonio_re02:04
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Tonio_Riddell: ping ?02:25
RiddellTonio_: h02:26
Riddellhi02:26
Tonio_Riddell: I forgot to mention a few things in k-d-s02:27
Tonio_for example, addition of the printing submenu in K menu02:28
Tonio_don't know if you'll agree, but that makes it pretty easy to find, and ressembles to osx and windows one....02:28
Tonio_I just migrated to dapper, and 96dpi + fints in 9 is pretty neat :)02:29
Riddellyuck, duplicates systemsettings02:29
Tonio_s/fints/fonts02:29
Tonio_Riddell: hum, that's true indeed02:29
Tonio_so you should remove that maybe :)02:29
Tonio_about systemsettings, you told me about another pot file to translate .desktop files02:30
Tonio_can I find it on svn ?02:30
Tonio_I will translate it also :)02:30
RiddellI'm tempted to set the font size to 10, that's the KDE and Gnome default02:30
Tonio_hum02:31
Tonio_it is very big with kde....02:31
Tonio_I tested, but kde generally has more text in windows than gnome02:31
Tonio_and the main resolution used today is still 1024*76802:31
RiddellTonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base.pot02:32
Tonio_most OS and linux distros have 8 or 9 equivalent by default02:32
Tonio_and I must say the default gnome or kde is really ugly generally so.... ;)02:32
Tonio_let me take 2 screenshots with 10 and 9 to compare02:33
Tonio_Riddell: well with dpi set the difference isn't really big... 9 and 10 are about the same, although 9 is a bit cleaner to my eyes...02:37
Tonio_Riddell: you decide :)02:38
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Tonio_mornfall: wow !02:48
mornfallhmm? :)02:48
Tonio_mornfall: about adept installer, are you okay with the icon I did, or would you like something different ?02:49
mornfalli'm okey... *adds the icon to todo, so it gets included*02:49
Tonio_cool02:50
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jpatrickafternoon Tonio_ 03:45
freeflyingjpatrick: hi03:46
jpatrickhi freeflying 03:47
freeflyingjpatrick: I'm looking for review , :)03:47
jpatrickfreeflying: I'm not busy :) /me goes to revu03:48
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freeflyingjpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=201103:49
jpatrickoh nice, a game03:50
freeflyingjpatrick: yeah , 03:52
jpatrickI think it's prefered to use '/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' instead of '/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'03:53
jpatrickand seperate the Copyright and the license with "License:"03:54
freeflyingjpatrick: this program use gpl-2 license03:54
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jpatrickI know but that's how it is03:56
Tonio_jpatrick: afternoon ;)03:59
jpatrickfreeflying: some files use the GNU Library General Public License exp. gettext.h04:00
freeflyingjpatrick: ok, I correct it , Another question , if I wanna upload to mentor.debian.net ,then shall I rename the package in changelog?04:01
jpatricknot sure...04:03
freeflyingjpatrick: besides above , any others shall be correctted ?04:04
Tonio_Riddell: my systemapplet patch technically works, but needs improvement04:04
Tonio_I think it'll be okay for this WE04:05
jpatrickfreeflying: looks good apart from those04:05
freeflyingjpatrick: I'm reuploading now ,plz check it again , and anohter package named eva also , thx04:07
jpatrickfreeflying: I left a comment on eva04:08
freeflyingjpatrick: also i've reuploaded it 04:09
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jpatrickfreeflying: not sure why but it's still a massive *.diff04:12
freeflyingjpatrick: why some Makefile and configure are in diff04:23
jpatrickdid you change the src before packaging?04:23
freeflyingjpatrick: never04:25
jpatrick:/04:25
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hungerRiddell: Will you be at the pre-FOSDEM meeting tomorrow night?04:36
Riddellhunger: yes, in Grand Place04:36
hungerRiddell: I'll look out for you then. I owe you some drinks.04:36
Riddell:)04:37
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Tonio_Riddell: there are a few other things I may add to k-d-s in the next days, like kate's session management and a few other things05:05
jpatrickby the way, what did you do with the konversation tabs?05:06
jpatrickaKa: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings05:06
Tonio_jpatrick: well I finally rediscussed with many persons, as you know, and they were finally okay to add them on top05:06
Tonio_because other apps have tabs there already05:06
Tonio_so I added them on top05:06
jpatricki thought we agreed on keeping them at the buttom05:07
Tonio_hu ?05:08
Tonio_not what I remember ;)05:08
jpatrickat the Kubuntu meeting (first one)05:08
Tonio_jpatrick: yes, but I couldn't explain the reason cause I wasn't here05:08
Tonio_so next day I rediscussed with Tm_T, hunger, freeflying and a few more05:09
Tonio_and to what I remember the conclusion was that if we wanted a logical desktop, tabs should be on top or bottom for all apps....05:09
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Tonio_thus, because konsole, kopete, konq, Firefox have them on top.........05:09
Tonio_if that causes a problem, it'll be changed before dapper is out, of course05:10
jpatrickok05:10
RiddellTonio_: yeah, I'm not sure what to do with kate's sessions05:11
Riddellturning them off might be nice :)05:11
Tonio_Riddell: I'll make tests first ;)05:11
Tonio_I would like to keep 3.4.2 wayto work05:11
Tonio_if we stop sessions, any opened file opens a new kate05:12
Riddellat the moment if you click on a .txt link in konqueror it opens up kate with the default session in a new window, which is horrible05:12
Tonio_best is to open all files in kate, but without session saving no ?05:12
Tonio_first file -> blank kate session05:12
Tonio_second file in the same window etc........05:12
Riddellyes, that's how I'd like i05:13
Riddellit05:13
Tonio_I loved that way to work05:13
Riddellopening in a new window is OK too, just so long as that new window doesn't also include all the files from the default session05:13
Tonio_I'll search that, plus try to configure another few things05:13
Tonio_Riddell: agree05:13
Tonio_that will be the next step, k-d-s isn't finished.... so much to do :)05:14
Tonio_I need to provide a gtk-qt-engine config file05:15
Tonio_by default, you have to go in gtk_qt with systemsettings, and validate the settings for it to work05:15
Tonio_Riddell: that should be changed, I think05:16
Tonio_I have 2 or 3 things like that that are not in k-d-s actually05:16
Tm_Tehm!05:17
Tonio_after the freeze, work on the desktop config will be my priority :)05:17
Tonio_Tm_T:  ?05:17
jpatrickTonio_:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-16.html @ 09:3105:17
Tonio_jpatrick: ok05:18
Tm_TTonio_: I think I said tabs should be where input line is (focus is there)05:18
Tonio_jpatrick: I have the meeting log05:18
Tonio_Tm_T: I didn't say everyone said that, need to read the logs05:18
Tm_Thehe05:18
jpatrickTm_T: I just pointed that out05:18
Tm_Tyup05:18
Tonio_I just remember that the final point was that it was nice and important that all application should have the tab at the same place by default no ?05:19
Tonio_jpatrick: I'm not talking about the meeting, I know what has been said there ;)05:19
Tonio_but my feeling is that there is no logicall reason that konsole and konversation have the tabs in a different place05:19
Tm_Tyes, in logical place, but I don't find it logical to have tabs on top when input line is in bottom05:20
Tonio_so if we put tabs at the bottom for konversation, it should be the same for kopete and konsole, at least05:20
Tm_TTonio_: yes05:20
Tm_Tthat's EXACTLY what I think05:20
Tonio_I don't have any problems with this, Ijust want the desktop tobe coherent05:20
Tonio_Riddell: any opinion on this ?05:20
Riddellmy opinion is that both are correct05:21
Tonio_Tm_T: as I say, k-d-s isn't finished at all, lots of things will changed before release05:21
Tm_TTonio_: yup, and do as you find right, I can always change my settings easily ;)05:26
Tonio_Tm_T: best is to rediscuss this during the next meeting, but discuss it globally, for konversation, kopete and konsole I think05:26
Tonio_Tm_T: note that I personnaly use them at the bottom :)05:26
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Tm_Thehe05:27
Tonio_but what I know is that default settings are for the new users05:27
Tonio_migrating from windows05:27
Tonio_and by default they have ALL used mirc05:28
jpatrickwe are not microsoft05:28
Tonio_or trillian05:28
Tm_Tno05:28
Tm_TTonio_: you can't assume that05:28
Tonio_and those softwares have tabs on the top05:28
Tonio_Tm_T: hum......... that's my feeling, I may be wrong, that's true05:28
Tm_TTonio_: I used ~5 years irssi in Windows(tm)05:28
Tm_Tbut maybe I'm minority ;(05:28
Tonio_Tm_T: what is the percentage of irssi users compared to mirc ? 05:28
Tonio_certainly ridiculous05:29
Tm_TTonio_: over half of my irc contacts use irssi05:29
Tm_Tquakenet is exception05:29
Tm_Tteen-hell05:29
Tonio_mirc is certainly about 90% of irc clients installed on windows... note that I wasn't using it too05:29
Tm_Theh05:29
Tonio_Tm_T: are your contacts average users, or geeks like us ?05:29
Tonio_;)05:29
Tm_TTonio_: mostly they doesn't even know what "distro" means05:30
Tonio_I'm not saying that we have to clone windows with kde, not at all05:30
Tm_Tyup05:30
Tonio_I'm just searching to provide what people generally are expecting05:30
Tonio_of course that can be very subjective sometimes05:30
Tm_TI think we should find "best" way and hope that new users find it "best" too05:30
jpatricka different eXperience ;-)05:31
Tonio_jpatrick: different, but not too much :)05:31
Tonio_people completly lost on a new system will generally reject it, even if that can sound stupid05:32
Tm_Tor maybe we should SHOCK all new users ;)05:32
Tm_Thttp://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_118.png05:32
Tm_Tmeh meh05:32
Tonio_Tm_T: well, I'm not sure that the best way to make kubuntu popular05:32
jpatrickTm_T: ROFL05:32
cmvoRiddell: Hi! kdesu seems to be at it again... At least it refuses to work here in Flight 4.05:32
hungerHey, got a new moodin today.05:33
Tonio_Tm_T: beos fan ?05:33
hungerLooks nice.05:33
jpatrickhunger: Riddell uploaded today :D05:33
Tm_TTonio_: yes and no, just testing different approaches05:33
hungerBut what is moodinKDE I got installed yesterday?05:33
Tm_TTonio_: atm I love this <305:33
jpatrickhunger: the default moodin splash05:34
Tonio_Tm_T: I started informatics with beos ;)05:34
Riddellcmvo: what happens?05:34
Tonio_I'm looking carefully at haikuos actually, because of that ;)05:34
Tm_TTonio_: heh, I will buy Zeta some day, I afraid ;(05:34
hungerWhy does kubuntu-desktop depend on that when the kubuntu-theme is a different one?05:35
cmvoRiddell: It insists on no recognizing the password. Either user or root.05:35
cmvoRiddell: s/no/not/05:36
jpatrickhunger: what?05:36
hungerjpatrick: I got ksplash-engine-moodin installed by kubuntu-desktop. but the theme used is kubuntu, not the one provided by that deb.05:37
Tonio_Tm_T: heard about haikuos ?05:37
jpatrickhunger: patched the config05:37
Tonio_hunger: the theme is named kubuntu, but isn't the same than the one previously used05:37
Tonio_the kubuntu theme has been replaced normally05:38
hungerjpatrick: ? So that engine is indeed necessary.05:38
hungerTonio_: I noticed that:-)05:38
Tonio_and the new one uses moodin05:38
jpatrickyes05:38
Tonio_so it is logic that kubuntu-desktop depends on moodin05:38
hungerTonio_: I was wondering why the ksplash-engine-moodin deb was installed when the theme provided by that (moodinKDE) is not used.05:38
hungerTonio_: So that dependency is necessary? Like the new kubuntu theme uses that engine?05:39
Tonio_hunger: because the default theme configured by kubuntu-default-settings uses moodin05:39
Tonio_and will be the one used out of the box05:39
nlindbladhi jpatrick05:39
hungerTonio_: Ah, OK:-)05:39
hungerTonio_: Thanks for explaining that to me.05:40
Tonio_no pb ;)05:40
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cmvoRiddell: I haven't been able to look into the problem any further as dapper locks up here ever so often.05:40
=== hunger wonders whether it is really necessary to install 8 ksplash themes by default.
Riddellanyone else had problems with kdesu?  it works for me05:41
hungerRiddell: Didn't notice anything yet.05:42
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cmvoRiddell: b05:45
jpatrickhi nlindblad 05:45
jpatrickhunger: 8?05:45
cmvoRiddell: So its only not working for me. I've set a root password, maybe that is the problem.05:47
Tm_TTonio_: sure05:47
Riddellcmvo: that shouldn't make a difference05:48
Riddellcmvo: does sudo work?05:48
cmvoRiddell: Ah, sudoers did not contain an entry for the user account, just root.05:49
jpatrick:/05:50
cmvoRiddell: Didn't get that far between the lockups... Shouldn't the install create this entry in sudoers? I guess only if I didn't enter a password for root.05:51
Tm_Thmm05:51
Riddellcmvo: it should put the default user into the admin group, and add admin group to sudoers05:52
Tm_Tjpatrick: one small issue with moodinKDE splash... seems to be fullscreen05:52
jpatrickTm_T: it is....05:52
Tm_T...and I like to see what happens in desktop while it's loading05:52
jpatricknot a lot05:53
Tm_Tbut, I'll testdrive it next time I'm booting05:53
Tm_Tthen I give more feedback ;)05:53
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cmvoRiddell: No admin in /etc/group, just lpadmin which the user account is part of. No admin group in sudoers either.05:55
Riddellsomething funny happened during install then05:56
cmvoRiddell: I used the expert install, entered a root password and created an user account.05:57
Riddelloh, expert install doesn't set up sudo05:57
Tonio_Riddell: did knemo joined main finally ?05:57
Riddellso that's the problem05:57
RiddellTonio_: no, it needs a main inclusion review05:57
Tonio_Riddell: k05:57
jpatrickerr poke pitti05:58
cmvoRiddell: Maybe expert install should switch kdesu back to su instead of sudo...05:59
Riddellideally kdesu would go back to sudo if you were not in the admin group06:01
Riddellwhich probably wouldn't be too hard to do06:01
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cmvoRiddell: On other problem in Systems Settings still exists. A module can only start once in admin mode until System Settings is restarted.06:03
Riddellanother one to add to the list of systemsettings problems :)06:05
cmvoRiddell: I tried to find it in the source, but I don't know enough about KDE.06:07
RiddellI'm not too sure how it detects that another instance it running06:08
cmvoRiddel: What bothers me more are those system lockups. At least I'm not the only one (see bug #32055).06:12
cmvoDoes anybody else here have random system lockups in dapper?06:13
RiddellI've not had any problems06:15
Riddelltried turning off acpi?06:15
cmvoRiddell: I'm trying that now. It is so random, sometimes it take only minutes, sometimes hours. And the system is stable in breezy with acpi...06:18
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jpatrickre Tonio_ 06:28
Tonio_re jpatrick 06:28
Tonio_Riddell: ping ?06:28
RiddellTonio_: hi06:28
Tonio_Riddell: I saw you didn't include the konqueror filemanagement desktop file in kubuntu-default-settings06:29
Tonio_is there a specific reason ?06:29
jpatrickoh my god, my first package bug06:30
Tonio_I though it usefull to have it in system, and quite logic06:30
jpatrickhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-kdmtheme/+bug/32494 <- can someone confirm?06:30
Tonio_because there is no way without a K menu entry to add for example a shortcut to it06:30
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jpatrickhello kmon 06:36
kmonhi jpatrick06:36
jpatrickplease see my comment at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-kdmtheme/+bug/3249406:36
kmonPrivate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, so that's why I couldn't respond to your pivate message06:36
jpatrickah right06:36
kmondo you prefere to comment the bug here o in launchpad? I've just answered your question06:37
jpatrick:/ hmm - so shouldn't it not be "KDM theme..."06:38
RiddellTonio_: you can get to it from the System menu on kicker06:39
jpatrickkmon: that's what it's suppose to be06:40
Tonio_Riddell: yes you're right, when it doesn't use that bugging system:/ thing ;)06:40
Tonio_I will work on that patch instead :)06:40
kmon"el applet kdmtheme" isn't very descriptive06:40
Tonio_that kleansweep is really GENIUS06:40
Tonio_fabulous application06:40
Tonio_I was searching for something like that for long06:40
kmonjpatrick:  if it's ok, then fine, but I think it's not very intuitive06:41
jpatrickkmon: it is the translation06:41
kmonjpatrick: ok, fine.06:42
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kmonI have another bug, does metabar sidebar in konqueror work for any of you out of the box?06:43
kmonohh06:43
kmonnow it works06:43
kmonI'm going to close the bug06:43
Riddellkmon: I just fixed that today06:44
kmonRiddell: I've noticed06:45
kmonRiddell: you rock06:45
Riddelltrue06:45
Tonio_lol06:45
kmonRiddell: I've read you're goingo to give a talk about kubuntu in fosdem, any plans on recording it for people not able to go there?06:49
RiddellI'd have to think of something to talk about first06:50
kmonxD06:50
kmonyou need to convince everyone there that kubuntu rocks and that they need to help ;)06:51
hungerRiddell: How about telling what is causing the most work for you when packaging/polishing KDE, current issues, etc.?06:55
jpatrickkmon: poke upstream to this the i18n06:57
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jpatrickI wonder why07:00
jpatrickRiddell: If I was to fix a bug like the one above, could I upload the fix?07:02
Riddelljpatrick: which bug?07:02
Riddellif it's in universe you can upload07:02
jpatrick#3249407:03
hungerAny update on suspend in kubuntu? pmi action suspend works, suspend key is ignored, batterystat-applet's suspend does not work either.07:03
jpatrickhe's got a point the l10n/i18n's hardly make sense07:03
jpatrickand it's an easy fix (patch .desktop file)07:04
Riddelljpatrick: go ahead then07:05
Riddelljpatrick: but you should fix it upstream as well07:05
hungerOh, I am wrong: Kubuntu DOES suspend, but only after a logout.07:05
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jpatrickRiddell: I'll send patch to the authoer07:05
jpatrickkmon: I'm fixing it07:06
kmonjpatrick: great!07:07
Riddellalthough "KDM Theme manager" doesn't sound like spanish to me07:08
hungerbattstat applet's suspend action triggers the screensaver (but nothing more). The suspend happens then as soon as you log out.07:08
jpatrickkmon: "Encargado del tema de KDM"?07:08
Riddell"el applet kdmtheme" sounds muchos better07:08
kmonsince it's a point to configure KDM, how about adding it to the "administrador de acceso" icon07:09
kmonand in there07:09
jpatrickhmm?07:09
kmonin system settings07:10
kmonIf I click on apeareance07:10
kmona sidebar shows with more options07:10
kmonI would include something similar for this applet07:10
jpatrick"Encargado del tema de KDM" should do it07:10
jpatrickRiddell: that's what it is right now07:11
kmonthat doesn't sound very correct....07:11
jpatrickkmon: suggest a name07:11
kmonI would prefere "Manejador del tema de KDM"07:11
hungerIs there anything I can do to stop kmix from popping up on all logins?07:11
jpatrickkmon: good07:12
kmonanyone here has flash working out of the box with konqueror?07:13
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jpatrickre Lure 07:13
Lurehi jpatrick07:14
LureIs it just me, or did default font sizes change with today's update07:14
jpatrickyep07:14
hungerLure: They did.07:14
LureMy high-resolution (147 DPI) looks great 07:14
Lureallee: now I know you were right with DPI setting being wrong07:15
LureI also like new Kubuntu login and splash. 07:15
jpatrickLure: w00t :D07:15
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LureOnly splash image is resized on my display and is a bit pixelated07:16
jpatrickI have to write thanks to the author07:16
Lurejpatrick: thanks to your for packagin it!07:16
kmonjpatrick: yes, the new artwork is far better07:16
LureBTW, Konversation icons also changed - nice07:16
jpatrickand I found the themes and got him to switch to GPL07:16
RiddellLure: what is your resolution?07:18
Lure1920x1200 on 15.4" LCD (laptop)07:18
Riddellthe Background images with that ksplash theme are strange07:18
jpatrickit uses the old one07:19
Riddellit uses a .jpg of the old one07:19
Riddellbut moodin does strange things with resizing them07:19
jpatrickRiddell: do I skip revu?07:19
Riddellthe 1024x768 one I had to make 120007:19
Riddelljpatrick: yes07:19
jpatrickok07:20
kmonthe new splash screen looks strange with widescreen laptops, but this also happens with moodin default splash07:20
Lure.jpg - isn't this potentially an issue for text07:20
Riddelljpatrick: but give us a debdiff if you want me to check it07:20
jpatrickit's a .diff patch07:20
Riddellwe need to change the KDM theme to not use images for text07:20
Lurekmon: maybe you have a point - it might be widescreen that is doing this07:20
kmonLure: I also have a widescreen laptop (15.4) and it's the same problem07:21
kmonI'm not sure if it's an easy fix...07:21
Lureit is not end of world, but you notice as everything else is so polished ;-)07:22
RiddellLure: please try and make a suitable background07:22
Riddelluse ksvgtopng on /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz07:22
Riddelland add /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/Dialog.png07:23
Riddellsave as Background-1920x1200.jpg in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/07:23
jpatrickraphink: you around?07:24
LureRiddell: my background is OK (I mean wallpaper)07:26
Lureissue is login Splash (new stuff)07:26
=== nlindblad found out about something incredible today
RiddellLure: yes, I need your help to make a suitable splash background image07:26
Riddellfor your resolution07:26
LureBut where is source svg for that - you wrote wallpaper source07:27
nlindbladback in 1859, a British guy brought 24 rabbits to Australia07:27
Lure(at least this is what I get out of ksvgtopng07:27
nlindbladtoday, there are over 300,000,000 rabbits in Australia07:27
jpatrickno suprise07:27
jpatricknlindblad: what's "KDM Theme Manager" in Swedish?07:28
nlindbladhang on07:28
nlindblad"Inloggningshanterare" is the only entry I find for it in the menus07:29
nlindbladbut a good translation would probably be "Temahanterare fr KDM"07:29
jpatrickSpanish is es, what's Swedish then?07:30
jpatricksv?07:30
robotgeeknl?07:30
nlindbladsv07:30
kmonjpatrick: there's a bug with the KDM theme applet I've just noticed. I doesn't detect themes already installed in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/07:30
robotgeeksorry, bad guess07:30
jpatrickkmon: you have to add them yourself07:31
nlindbladsv_SE for full localization, since there's also sv_FI (Swedish spoken in Suomi/Finland)07:31
kmonjpatrick: so it's a feature not a bug? :P07:31
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Lurejpatrick: do you know where is svg file for new splash (as mentioned by Riddell)07:33
jpatrick /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/ (as he mentioned)07:34
Riddell/usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz07:34
LureRiddell: yes, but I get wallpaper without Splash dialog in it07:37
Lure(not like others in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/ubuntu07:38
jpatrickRiddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/56888407:40
Riddellwoo!  coming live from VMWare!07:40
Riddelljpatrick: looks good07:42
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nlindbladApple makes it sound like Safari is OSS and is available for most *NIX platforms07:43
Riddellwebcore is07:44
LureRiddell, jpatrick: OK, I get it now (read Readme) - sorry fo confusion07:45
Lurebut there is already appropriate 1920x1200 background07:45
Lurejust does not seem to get used07:45
nlindbladRiddell: yeah, is it true they've done some oriented coding with the KDE project?07:46
Riddellmore like disorientated07:46
nlindbladI see07:46
=== nlindblad would love to see companies doing oriented coding instead of just picking stuff out that they like
nlindbladin the end, both the company and the project would benefit from it07:47
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Riddellsupper eh?  with anyone?07:53
kmonkerry looks good07:58
kmonhttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/182007:58
=== hunger prefers kat.
hungerNo need to pull in mono into kde.07:59
hungerAnd the kde4 has search stuff build in anyway.08:00
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kmonyep08:00
kmontenor08:00
kmonbut until kde4 is ready, it would be nice to include a desktop search utility08:00
kmonlike kat08:00
hungerkmon: Unfortunately kat does not work in ubuntu:-(08:01
hungersqlite is incompatible.08:01
kmonI remember reading kat developer uses kubuntu...08:02
hungerkat needs heavy modification to work properly... and kat 0.7 will have all that:-)08:02
kmonso that myght help in feature releases08:02
hungerSo nobody seems to be interessted into fixing the current releases.08:02
Riddellhunger: why doesn't kat work in ubuntu?08:06
jpatrickRiddell: er, no08:08
Riddelloh well08:08
alleeLure: great!  This makes my day :)08:11
Lureallee: only GTK app (Firefox) has slighty large fonts, but I need to check if it is my theme08:12
nlindbladRiddell: so you're going to LRL08:13
nlindbladstaying at the official hotel?08:13
Riddellnlindblad: yes, no idea08:13
nlindbladokey08:13
Lureonly menu/toolbar fonts are large08:13
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jpatrickhmm "dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - kdmtheme and kcontrol-kdmtheme"08:17
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kmonbye08:49
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Lureallee: update my laptop testing page - any idea about GTK font issue?08:56
alleeLure: No. Have not tried yet.  I'm still busy at work :(08:58
Lureallee: thanks and good work ;-)09:00
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jpatrickokay, this thing is just not patching09:12
jpatrickarg, it did09:14
Lurejpatrick: who is setting BaseResolution on Theme.rc09:15
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jpatrickI think Tonio_ is09:20
Lurekubuntu-default-settings?09:21
jpatrickyes09:22
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jpatrickhmm, what to choose: Fix Commited/Released ?09:26
RiddellReleased09:35
jpatrickoh good I chose that one09:35
jpatrickcommited sounded like svn09:35
Riddellyes, that seems to be the consensus09:43
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jpatrickwow my packages are going in faster now: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006823.html10:08
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jpatrickre robotgeek 10:16
robotgeekhey jpatrick 10:16
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jpatrickhey apokryphos 10:38
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jpatrickand allee 10:38
alleehi jpatrick 10:39
robotgeekhey apokryphos , long time10:45
apokryphosrobotgeek: hello and congrats =)10:45
robotgeekthanks apokryphos 10:46
apokryphosmuch deserved, IMO 8)10:46
apokryphoshow's your work with easyubuntu going?10:46
robotgeekapokryphos: coming along slowly, i need to finish off DesktopGuide work first10:47
apokryphosrobotgeek: oh, what is that?10:47
robotgeekhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide10:48
apokryphosoh, doccing, I see. Looks like it'll be very helpful :)10:49
apokryphos(definitely something that's needed)10:50
apokryphosrobotgeek: any idea how kubu documentation in general is coming along?10:50
jpatricknight everyone10:50
apokryphos'night jpatrick :)10:50
robotgeeknight jpatrick 10:50
robotgeekapokryphos: not much documentation, as such. kde documentation is good, but kubuntu as such is less10:51
apokryphosyeah10:52
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apokryphosKDE docs haven't received as much attention at all the last few months unfortunately; luckily a substantial amount of stuff was done in the months before that, so it's generally not that big a problem.10:53
apokryphosand docs are really needed to go through kubuntuisms10:53
robotgeekapokryphos: quick guide does some intro too10:53
apokryphosyup; the one for breezy was decent.10:53
robotgeekhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/quickguide-web/C/index.html is for dapper10:54
=== apokryphos looks
apokryphos"!," has to be an.. interesting use of punctuation :P10:56
robotgeek:)10:57
alleeNew default on login seem to be 'Dejavu San 9' in kcontrolcenter.  But when I press [Default]  it change to Sans Serif and Monospace in 10  ???10:57
allee[reset]  return to dajavu sans.  Strange!  Tested/verified on 2 laptops10:58
Lureallee: true - same in System settings10:58
apokryphosrobotgeek: when's the doc freeze? I could try to make a patch with any suggestions, I guess.10:59
alleeMaybe default is whatever is hardcoded in source and first display is what in config files?10:59
Lureallee: BTW, Firefox font problem got resolved10:59
apokryphosrobotgeek: looks very good on the whole (skimmed through a bit)10:59
alleeLure: ah, good this was next on my list ;)10:59
robotgeekapokryphos: doc freeze is march 23, about one month to go11:00
LureI had to switch to specific font for GTK aps, and then back to "Use KDE dedaults"11:00
Lure"Use my KDE fonts in GTK applications"11:00
alleeLure: seem to Firefox fonts are now (still) to large.11:00
alleeLure: is there a fix so it fonts are adapted automaticly after an upgrade?11:01
robotgeekapokryphos: sadly, the Kubuntu Desktop Guide isn't previewable yet. hopefully by this weekend, it should be up for review11:01
Lureallee: in my case the are same size as in KDE, only a bit more thin11:01
LureI am talking about menu/status bar fonts for example11:01
apokryphosrobotgeek: ok, I'll try to get a patch in before that11:01
Riddellrobotgeek: do you have access to SVN yet?11:02
robotgeekapokryphos: for the Desktop Guide?11:02
Lureallee: I think we would need to talk with Tonio_11:02
robotgeekRiddell: no, not yet11:02
alleeLure: Tonio told me he has currently only internet access from work.  So I doubt we'll see him tonight :(11:02
apokryphosrobotgeek: for the Quick Guide I thought, but I could look through the Desktop Guide too if you wouldn't mind me looking over it.11:02
robotgeekRiddell: i heard mdke was planning something, but i havent spoken to him after membership11:03
robotgeekapokryphos: sure, all help is welcome :)11:03
apokryphoscool, just LMK11:05
robotgeekapokryphos: all code is in svn, let me know if you need help with that11:05
apokryphosalrighty11:06
alleeLure: in the login progress dialog the first two text lines are unreadable (either fonts to small or turn of antialias).  Same for you?11:06
Lureallee: OK on mine, but I get 1280x800 wallpaper (resized) instead of 1920x120011:07
Lure1280x1024 actually11:08
Luretherefore dialog is big enough for the fonts ;-)11:08
alleeLure: I mean during login there this 'initialing devices' 'setup desktop' ...  the lines above 'welcome your name' and the next one are almost unreadable here11:08
Luredid not notice...11:09
LureI did run Test and there is no text above Welcome...11:10
Lure(just icons that are resized (ugly) in my case)11:10
alleeLure: not text?  4 lines: 1st has the icons column, 2nd is welcome your name, 3rd something-can-remember, 4th the corresponding test to the last highlighted icons in 1st row.   2nd and 3rd are unreadable small here11:12
alleeLure: icons are fine (but that on 100 dpi)11:13
Lureexaclty: 2/3 are small, but I would not say unreadable (I have good eyes) ;-)11:14
Lure147 DPi here, but resized dialog (so I am not sure how real thing would look like)11:14
Lure(I will try to hack config file now to see)11:14
alleeLure: yeah, pixmap graphic is still a problem :(11:15
alleeLure: I've the impression that font in KDMs login window for username or passwd is 11pt (or 12pt?) at least bigger as default in KDE11:16
Lureallee: don't change it ;-) - this is the first time it looks OK for me11:16
alleeLure: well I like the 11pt (or 10 pt) in login window more than 9 pts in KDE too.  ;)11:18
Lureit is not enough to just change resolution in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Theme.rc11:19
Lurewill have to look harder11:19
Lureallee: I am joking - if we go down to 8pt I am fine11:20
alleeLure: uh, really? and you can work hole day, without concentration problems?11:26
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alleeLure: e.g, so up prefer the size the wiki uses.  I prefer what one get after a ctrl '+'11:30
LureThis is my working notebook and I also IRC for couple of hours at home on it - I am fine11:33
Lureallee: Konq or Firefox11:33
Lurein my case Konq has large fonts, while Firefox is smaller now11:34
alleeLure: Konq!   (I only use firefox is konq fails as a fallback)11:34
allees/is/if/11:34
Lureallee: I am primarily on Firefox (can get used to Konq) and like smaller fonts11:35
Lureallee: are you on your high-res (144 DPI) or lower now11:36
alleesmaller fonts is okay, but firefox, argl ;)  Seriously I like the integration and quick startup of konq and koffice and as long as the do what I need I use them11:36
LureI can understand need for larger font on lower DPI (<140), bug high-res is so crisp11:36
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Lurelike paper11:36
alleeLure: my laptop is 124 (xft.dpi=120)11:36
alleeMaybe I have to install dapper the my 144 dpi (but it's so slow) 11:37
Lureallee: is next CD release Flight5 or Beta - I plan to move then11:38
alleeNo idea. Almost no problems since flight1 here, so I consider it already safe11:39
Hobbseeallee: yet the people who installed off flight 4 say anything but that.  weird.11:42
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alleeHobbsee: details?11:43
sethRiddell, this "squares" theme for Konversation is disgusting11:44
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sethit's impossible to tell anything apart11:44
sethbad default imo :/11:44
Hobbseeallee: dist-upgrades that crashed in the middle, *continues to try to remember*11:44
Riddellthe default theme is meaningless though, impossibe to tell which icon means what11:44
Riddellseth: any suggestions for a better theme?11:45
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Lureseth: I think this is better then previous default11:45
=== Hobbsee is still using the default simplistic theme
sethRiddell, the default Konvi theme seems pretty reasonable to me, but maybe others don't agree, as evidenced by Lure. Perhaps we could make a Kubuntu theme11:45
Hobbseeallee: res messing up, one was11:45
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alleeHobbsee: oh, I use aptitude and it worked.    Well I had to logout/in after some updates to fix strangeness, but if it's only that I consider it stable enough11:46
Hobbseetrue11:46
Hobbsee[09:45]  <Snake__> Hobbsee: well my res was messed up11:46
Hobbsee[09:45]  *** robotgeek_work is now known as robotgeek.11:46
Hobbsee[09:45]  <Snake__> it was like.... 600x3000 rofl11:46
Hobbseeso i dunno - but people dont seem too happy about it - maybe that's more the gnome end though11:46
alleemhmm, I would not suggest dapper to a newbie but if someone has a bit of glue what going on dapper is save ;)11:46
Hobbseehehe true11:46
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Hobbseedidnt help that i put in the wrong essid, but even so!11:47
sethspeaking of resolutions, is the Display applet non-functional for anyone else?11:47
sethMine won't load after the last updated version11:47
Lureseth: same here - since Flight 4 I think11:48
alleeHobbsee: you can glare at something that is wireless?  Impressive!11:48
Hobbseesure!  my wireless card!11:48
allee:)11:48
Hobbsee:P11:48
alleeseth: what the display applet?11:49
Lureallee: System settings -> Display11:49
sethallee, it does not load. I click it and get "The module Display could not be loaded."11:49
alleetrying ...11:49
robotgeekdoes anyone know if adept will launch if the notifier is running?11:51
alleeseth: look in .xsession-error there's a python backtrace11:51
robotgeekhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9221 adept doesn't launch/come to foreground11:51
Lurerobotgeek: it does on mine system (slow)11:52
allee_Sime: in in create_displayconfig: IndexError: list index out of range11:52
robotgeekLure: hmm, it shows that its running, but doesn't come to foreground11:53
=== robotgeek thinks kdesu is messing up, tries from clie
Lurerobotgeek: tried again - it works here!11:53
sethallee, http://seth.pastebin.com/56930311:53
Lureboth Adept and Adept Updater11:53
robotgeekLure: hmm, i will try again. 11:54
alleeseth: yeah, same here too.  You mean it's adept not displayconfig?11:54
LureBTW, anybody noticed some (I think guidance) script errors on boot due to read-only FS11:54
LureI think some hw-probe script is run before root is remounted rw11:55
alleeHobbsee_away: ah, I don't use adept, maybe that's the reason my I have a good stability impression of dapper ;)11:55
Lure(I have only seen this once today as regular ext3 check was started and text)11:55
alleeLure: no  only when kernel load, some strange PNP msg (10 times the same line or so)11:56
Lureallee: ;-) me to - but I am looking forward for new update (nice screenshots)11:56
sethallee, adept? Displayconfig is what is having problems11:56
Lureallee: yes, this is after todays kernel update (before I had only three PCI messages)11:56
alleeseth: sorry '[23:53]  <Lure> both Adept and Adept Updater' confused me11:56
sethallee, ah ^_^11:56
allee:)11:57
alleeLets ping _Sime :)11:57
robotgeekLure: sudo adept works (i know that it is bad to do it, but ...)11:58
Lurerobotgeek: strange - here it works from menu...11:59
robotgeekLure: it worked once, but is not working from then11:59
Lure_Sime: I think this is too early in boot: /etc/rcS.d/S18displayconfig-hwprobe.py12:00
RiddellLure: it's now 37 for new installers12:01
LureI have seen failure due to not be able to open some log file for writing12:01
alleeheh, when I want to configure konqueror or konversation I always open 'Windows' because I automaticly choose the one left to 'help' where is most cases 'setting' are.  Am I the only one?12:01
LureRiddell: good - what does it mean "new installers" - new milestone CDs?12:01
LureI will change mine12:02
Riddellpeople who don't already have it installed12:02
LureRiddell: what is next milestone CD: Flight 5 or Beta?12:03

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