robotgeek | hey Hobbsee_away | 12:07 |
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Hobbsee_away | hey robotgeek :) | 12:07 |
mornfall | Hobbsee_away: i never got to see your first name | 12:07 |
mornfall | Hobbsee_away: you are "Hobbsee" to me | 12:07 |
robotgeek | Hobbsee_away: did you party? :) | 12:07 |
mornfall | a purple nick in #kubuntu-devel | 12:07 |
mornfall | :-) | 12:07 |
mornfall | magenta | 12:07 |
mornfall | or how is the colour called | 12:08 |
mornfall | possibly, i'll forget in few days again anyway :) | 12:08 |
mornfall | like i forgot that navindra is a guy few times (i was always thinking navindra is a female name... weird) | 12:09 |
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mornfall | --> night | 12:11 |
mornfall | gn | 12:11 |
robotgeek | later mornfall | 12:11 |
robotgeek | moving sucks, it will take 2 more hours before the iso is downloaded, <sigh> | 12:13 |
Hobbsee_away | mornfall: hehe - my terminal shows sarah@sarah: - so a lot of people figured it out that way | 12:14 |
Hobbsee_away | robotgeek: no, i went to work, and got rear-ended on my way there, or maybe the car behind me did | 12:14 |
robotgeek | Hobbsee_away: i was just sitting at home, unpacking | 12:15 |
Hobbsee_away | :) | 12:15 |
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allee | Hobbsee_away: ping? | 01:08 |
allee | Hobbsee_away: why do you suggest in WPAhowto to first purge wpasupplicant? | 01:08 |
Hobbsee_away | allee: pong | 01:11 |
allee | ping pog | 01:12 |
Hobbsee_away | i didnt, that was already part of the guide | 01:12 |
allee | Hobbsee: care to remove it ;) | 01:12 |
Hobbsee | actually, seveas went and reverted all my changes to it - all i did was combine two of the wiki docs on wpa into one | 01:13 |
allee | I saw you applied for membership. Can I gratulate? | 01:13 |
Hobbsee | so i'm not sure really sure what to do with it now, and would hate to step on someone's toes again | 01:13 |
Hobbsee | allee: thanks :) i got it, too :) | 01:13 |
allee | okay, great. Congrats! | 01:14 |
allee | did he give any reason for the revert? | 01:14 |
Hobbsee | [Wed Feb 22 2006] [11:36:28] <Seveas> I just reverted the WPAHowto page - the things you added were quite crackful and at some places broken. I'll add the good bits again soon. | 01:15 |
Hobbsee | [Wed Feb 22 2006] [11:37:06] <Hobbsee> oh were they? | 01:15 |
Hobbsee | [Wed Feb 22 2006] [11:37:37] <Seveas> yes, at least for breezy | 01:15 |
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allee | mhmm. okay | 01:18 |
Hobbsee | heh...yeah | 01:18 |
Hobbsee | so i'm most curious to see which bits were broken | 01:18 |
Hobbsee | unfortunately i forgot to save the text file of what i'd done - silly me! | 01:18 |
allee | I curious too. Let's check the diff .. | 01:18 |
Hobbsee | allee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto if you didnt already have it | 01:20 |
allee | thx I had it. I check the diff. heh, lots of assumptions ;) | 01:21 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 01:21 |
Hobbsee | well, it's true - if your network wont work without encryption, it wont work with! | 01:21 |
allee | Hobbsee: got you ;) sudo dpkg --purge wpasupplicant | 01:21 |
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Hobbsee | but yeah | 01:22 |
Hobbsee | starting with a new config seems to be the idea | 01:22 |
allee | 'k it's no big deal. I was just wondering about the why. | 01:23 |
allee | mhm, at least in dapper wpasupplicant is started behind the scene no need for post-/pre- stuff | 01:26 |
allee | and the longish sudo dhclient ... is better done with iface wlan0 inet dhcp and a ifup wlan0 | 01:27 |
allee | Hobbsee: I hope that (k)netswitch will make WPAhowto much simpler ;) Now looking into these new beasts .. | 01:30 |
Hobbsee | allee: i hope so too - i'm finding very little of decent wireless stuff in kubuntu | 01:31 |
Hobbsee | because kwifimanager seems to lie | 01:31 |
allee | Hobbsee: yeah, network mgnt as is for laptop needs lots of love to be useful | 01:32 |
Hobbsee | heh, yeah, tell me about it | 01:33 |
robotgeek | the closest think i've seen to "neat" is the script on WifiHowto, lol | 01:33 |
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Hobbsee | mind you, i'm kinda new to wireless | 01:33 |
robotgeek | Hobbsee: nowadays, i just edit the essid in the script i'm running, lol | 01:33 |
allee | Hobbsee: have you WEP working with wpasupplicant too? | 01:33 |
Hobbsee | might be a good idea | 01:33 |
Hobbsee | allee: havent tried - dad decided to go straight from unencrypted to wpa | 01:34 |
Hobbsee | and it's not worth trying to change it permanently, unless you want hobbsee to be deaded hobbsee lol | 01:34 |
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robotgeek | 1:39 to complete download, *tsk* | 01:35 |
allee | good choice. I need both and as is I have only WEP or only WPA working. Switch need minimal editing :( | 01:35 |
Hobbsee | ah ok | 01:35 |
robotgeek | but why would you need both together, isn't that a bit of an overkill? | 01:36 |
allee | robotgeek: laptop tend to move location. And I'm not everywhere the owner of the AP | 01:36 |
robotgeek | allee: yes, but do they actually have both together | 01:37 |
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allee | robotgeek: no | 01:37 |
robotgeek | i'm trying to find out, cause i would be in deep trouble. i dunno what WPA is, lol | 01:37 |
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allee | Hobbsee: as mentioned earlier every wifi driver needs special treatment. WPA works with modprobe/rmmod (or maybe hwencypt=0) for ipw2200 (in dapper) | 01:39 |
Hobbsee | true | 01:39 |
allee | lets cross finger that the kernel dev finaly agree on a common wifi stack so we get much less driver depended bugs | 01:40 |
Hobbsee | mmmm...nasty | 01:44 |
Hobbsee | yeah, that'd be nice! | 01:44 |
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Hobbsee | ah, got rid of it. silly kwifimanager | 01:45 |
freeflying | Hobbsee: congradulate your membership | 01:46 |
Hobbsee | freeflying: thankyou :) | 01:48 |
allee | mhmm | 02:23 |
allee | Anyone tried knetswitch? here I get a crash after I entered my pw | 02:48 |
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ubijtsa2 | andred: seems like your server is having issues. Have we hammered your bandwidth a bit much? | 09:07 |
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Tonio__ | hi all | 10:10 |
freeflying | hi Tonio_ | 10:15 |
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Hobbsee_away | hey Tonio_ | 10:36 |
lianghu | hi freeflying | 10:37 |
Tonio_ | hey Hobbsee_away, freeflying | 10:37 |
freeflying | lianghu: hi | 10:37 |
lianghu | I don't find dapper room | 10:38 |
freeflying | lianghu: dappr is just the name of coming release | 10:39 |
lianghu | I know | 10:39 |
freeflying | lianghu: u may attend #ubuntu ,#kubuntu ,#ubuntu-zh | 10:39 |
lianghu | Ok | 10:39 |
Riddell | morning lianghu, another of our growing CKJ helpers? | 10:59 |
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Riddell | I see Hobbsee got tough with the late night #kubuntu revellers last night :) | 11:01 |
Hobbsee | who were these? | 11:01 |
Hobbsee | oh, the idiot that was calling someone else a whore? | 11:01 |
Hobbsee | lol...yeah... | 11:02 |
Hobbsee | i was glad that they didnt continue with their painfulness - i had to go and have dinner! | 11:03 |
Hobbsee | and i take it that last night means a couple of hours ago | 11:04 |
freeflying | Riddell: lianghu is also from chinese , and he is living in the same city with me | 11:05 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: gloubiboulga fixed the gnetswitch issue :) | 11:36 |
Tonio_ | was ust a .mk problem, autotools needed instead of gonome.mk | 11:37 |
freeflying | looking for review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2004 | 11:55 |
Riddell | Tonio_: what is cursors/default/index.theme for? | 12:01 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: to have the kubuntu human cursor during the kdm theme | 12:06 |
Tonio_ | and in appications using X cursor like firefox | 12:06 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: it is a well known tip to correct the cursor issue in firefox | 12:09 |
Tonio_ | I forgot to add that in the changelog sorry | 12:09 |
Riddell | nice | 12:09 |
Tonio_ | that's the reason it took me long to do that, cause I first had to search for little issues;) | 12:10 |
Hobbsee_ | is that the darned cursor in firefox not inheriting the general kubuntu theme? | 12:11 |
Riddell | what is ra0,ra1 for network interfaces? | 12:20 |
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mornfall | Hobbsee: it's firefox -- it has to be special | 12:54 |
Hobbsee | mornfall: hehe no it doesnt! i've enjoyed *not* having to constantly make that change! | 12:55 |
Hobbsee | mind you, have to make xorg changes instead, but oh well hehe | 12:57 |
jeroenvrp | mmm I like to submit bugs for adept, but kde.bugs.org doesnt want help me today | 01:04 |
mornfall | hmm | 01:04 |
mornfall | bugs.kde.org too :) | 01:05 |
jeroenvrp | ah yes :-) | 01:05 |
jeroenvrp | no serious it doesnt want to continue | 01:05 |
jeroenvrp | ah | 01:05 |
jeroenvrp | it does now | 01:05 |
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jeroenvrp | mornfall: thats bug #1 | 01:12 |
jeroenvrp | actually the only real bug | 01:12 |
jeroenvrp | I also have a wishlist item | 01:12 |
mornfall | jeroenvrp: for the bug, i may need more details... probably the output from konsole | 01:14 |
mornfall | jeroenvrp: you also should run sudo dpkg --configure -a because your system is probably now broken :-) | 01:14 |
jeroenvrp | mornfall: you mean the konsole inside adept? | 01:14 |
mornfall | yes | 01:15 |
jeroenvrp | ok, because gdb doesnt give much output | 01:15 |
mornfall | it's not gdb output really | 01:15 |
mornfall | :) | 01:15 |
jeroenvrp | mornfall: yes I know, it needs to crash for that | 01:15 |
jeroenvrp | so I can do a backtrace | 01:15 |
jeroenvrp | oh wait maybe I can still to that | 01:16 |
mornfall | you can do backtrace any time (just hit ctrl+c and write bt), but that's not very usefull | 01:16 |
mornfall | in this context | 01:16 |
viviersf | Riddell, how do i add actions to kde again ? | 01:16 |
jeroenvrp | (gdb) bt | 01:16 |
jeroenvrp | No stack. | 01:16 |
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jeroenvrp | :-( | 01:16 |
viviersf | right click one file type stuff | 01:16 |
mornfall | it won't help anyway | 01:16 |
mornfall | well | 01:16 |
mornfall | you can do break __cxa_throw | 01:16 |
mornfall | but gdb is sort of broken | 01:16 |
mornfall | nowadays | 01:16 |
jeroenvrp | Breakpoint 1 at 0x37b82a19 | 01:16 |
mornfall | at least i can't seem to run a forking+threading app like adept in it | 01:16 |
mornfall | jeroenvrp: and then run it, to see where the exception comes from (doing bt when getting to the breakpoint) | 01:17 |
jeroenvrp | mornfall: do you need the wishlist item here at bugs.kde.org? | 01:17 |
mornfall | jeroenvrp: depends on how much you want it implemented -- if you just tell me, chances are i forget | 01:17 |
jeroenvrp | its a very small one | 01:17 |
jeroenvrp | so it seems | 01:17 |
mornfall | b.k.o is more reliable :) | 01:17 |
jeroenvrp | ok I do that | 01:18 |
jeroenvrp | mornfall: sudo dpkg --configure -a : is doing indeed a few packages, strange normally those unconfigured packages are seen in synaptic | 01:19 |
jeroenvrp | the first one was indeed samba-common | 01:20 |
jeroenvrp | lets add rthat | 01:20 |
mornfall | probably a bug in packages (file conflict or such) | 01:20 |
jeroenvrp | mornfall: it happens all the time, but I will give you next time info from konsole | 01:21 |
mornfall | well, if it happens once it'll happen always unless the problem is resolved somehow | 01:23 |
mornfall | because it'll always die with same package | 01:23 |
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Riddell | viviersf: add them where? | 01:24 |
Riddell | viviersf: konq service menus /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/ | 01:24 |
jeroenvrp | mornfall: I see the wish has allready been submitted and closed wit a won't fix :-( Anyhow I still added a comment to it: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116925 | 01:26 |
mornfall | yeah, i'm mean | 01:27 |
jeroenvrp | it seems lik eit :-) | 01:28 |
mornfall | but adding options for this kind of thing really does not make sense -- fix the system instead of adding configure options to work around it in various ways :) | 01:28 |
jeroenvrp | mornfall: the "configure" question is more like a comprimise | 01:30 |
jeroenvrp | but thats my opinion | 01:31 |
mornfall | well, even if i made it configurable -- what would we win? | 01:32 |
mornfall | default would still be same | 01:32 |
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viviersf | Riddell, ya i figured it out thx | 01:36 |
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Tonio_ | re | 02:04 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 02:25 |
Riddell | Tonio_: h | 02:26 |
Riddell | hi | 02:26 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I forgot to mention a few things in k-d-s | 02:27 |
Tonio_ | for example, addition of the printing submenu in K menu | 02:28 |
Tonio_ | don't know if you'll agree, but that makes it pretty easy to find, and ressembles to osx and windows one.... | 02:28 |
Tonio_ | I just migrated to dapper, and 96dpi + fints in 9 is pretty neat :) | 02:29 |
Riddell | yuck, duplicates systemsettings | 02:29 |
Tonio_ | s/fints/fonts | 02:29 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, that's true indeed | 02:29 |
Tonio_ | so you should remove that maybe :) | 02:29 |
Tonio_ | about systemsettings, you told me about another pot file to translate .desktop files | 02:30 |
Tonio_ | can I find it on svn ? | 02:30 |
Tonio_ | I will translate it also :) | 02:30 |
Riddell | I'm tempted to set the font size to 10, that's the KDE and Gnome default | 02:30 |
Tonio_ | hum | 02:31 |
Tonio_ | it is very big with kde.... | 02:31 |
Tonio_ | I tested, but kde generally has more text in windows than gnome | 02:31 |
Tonio_ | and the main resolution used today is still 1024*768 | 02:31 |
Riddell | Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base.pot | 02:32 |
Tonio_ | most OS and linux distros have 8 or 9 equivalent by default | 02:32 |
Tonio_ | and I must say the default gnome or kde is really ugly generally so.... ;) | 02:32 |
Tonio_ | let me take 2 screenshots with 10 and 9 to compare | 02:33 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: well with dpi set the difference isn't really big... 9 and 10 are about the same, although 9 is a bit cleaner to my eyes... | 02:37 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: you decide :) | 02:38 |
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Tonio_ | mornfall: wow ! | 02:48 |
mornfall | hmm? :) | 02:48 |
Tonio_ | mornfall: about adept installer, are you okay with the icon I did, or would you like something different ? | 02:49 |
mornfall | i'm okey... *adds the icon to todo, so it gets included* | 02:49 |
Tonio_ | cool | 02:50 |
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jpatrick | afternoon Tonio_ | 03:45 |
freeflying | jpatrick: hi | 03:46 |
jpatrick | hi freeflying | 03:47 |
freeflying | jpatrick: I'm looking for review , :) | 03:47 |
jpatrick | freeflying: I'm not busy :) /me goes to revu | 03:48 |
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freeflying | jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2011 | 03:49 |
jpatrick | oh nice, a game | 03:50 |
freeflying | jpatrick: yeah , | 03:52 |
jpatrick | I think it's prefered to use '/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' instead of '/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2' | 03:53 |
jpatrick | and seperate the Copyright and the license with "License:" | 03:54 |
freeflying | jpatrick: this program use gpl-2 license | 03:54 |
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jpatrick | I know but that's how it is | 03:56 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick: afternoon ;) | 03:59 |
jpatrick | freeflying: some files use the GNU Library General Public License exp. gettext.h | 04:00 |
freeflying | jpatrick: ok, I correct it , Another question , if I wanna upload to mentor.debian.net ,then shall I rename the package in changelog? | 04:01 |
jpatrick | not sure... | 04:03 |
freeflying | jpatrick: besides above , any others shall be correctted ? | 04:04 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: my systemapplet patch technically works, but needs improvement | 04:04 |
Tonio_ | I think it'll be okay for this WE | 04:05 |
jpatrick | freeflying: looks good apart from those | 04:05 |
freeflying | jpatrick: I'm reuploading now ,plz check it again , and anohter package named eva also , thx | 04:07 |
jpatrick | freeflying: I left a comment on eva | 04:08 |
freeflying | jpatrick: also i've reuploaded it | 04:09 |
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jpatrick | freeflying: not sure why but it's still a massive *.diff | 04:12 |
freeflying | jpatrick: why some Makefile and configure are in diff | 04:23 |
jpatrick | did you change the src before packaging? | 04:23 |
freeflying | jpatrick: never | 04:25 |
jpatrick | :/ | 04:25 |
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hunger | Riddell: Will you be at the pre-FOSDEM meeting tomorrow night? | 04:36 |
Riddell | hunger: yes, in Grand Place | 04:36 |
hunger | Riddell: I'll look out for you then. I owe you some drinks. | 04:36 |
Riddell | :) | 04:37 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: there are a few other things I may add to k-d-s in the next days, like kate's session management and a few other things | 05:05 |
jpatrick | by the way, what did you do with the konversation tabs? | 05:06 |
jpatrick | aKa: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 05:06 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick: well I finally rediscussed with many persons, as you know, and they were finally okay to add them on top | 05:06 |
Tonio_ | because other apps have tabs there already | 05:06 |
Tonio_ | so I added them on top | 05:06 |
jpatrick | i thought we agreed on keeping them at the buttom | 05:07 |
Tonio_ | hu ? | 05:08 |
Tonio_ | not what I remember ;) | 05:08 |
jpatrick | at the Kubuntu meeting (first one) | 05:08 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick: yes, but I couldn't explain the reason cause I wasn't here | 05:08 |
Tonio_ | so next day I rediscussed with Tm_T, hunger, freeflying and a few more | 05:09 |
Tonio_ | and to what I remember the conclusion was that if we wanted a logical desktop, tabs should be on top or bottom for all apps.... | 05:09 |
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Tonio_ | thus, because konsole, kopete, konq, Firefox have them on top......... | 05:09 |
Tonio_ | if that causes a problem, it'll be changed before dapper is out, of course | 05:10 |
jpatrick | ok | 05:10 |
Riddell | Tonio_: yeah, I'm not sure what to do with kate's sessions | 05:11 |
Riddell | turning them off might be nice :) | 05:11 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll make tests first ;) | 05:11 |
Tonio_ | I would like to keep 3.4.2 wayto work | 05:11 |
Tonio_ | if we stop sessions, any opened file opens a new kate | 05:12 |
Riddell | at the moment if you click on a .txt link in konqueror it opens up kate with the default session in a new window, which is horrible | 05:12 |
Tonio_ | best is to open all files in kate, but without session saving no ? | 05:12 |
Tonio_ | first file -> blank kate session | 05:12 |
Tonio_ | second file in the same window etc........ | 05:12 |
Riddell | yes, that's how I'd like i | 05:13 |
Riddell | it | 05:13 |
Tonio_ | I loved that way to work | 05:13 |
Riddell | opening in a new window is OK too, just so long as that new window doesn't also include all the files from the default session | 05:13 |
Tonio_ | I'll search that, plus try to configure another few things | 05:13 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: agree | 05:13 |
Tonio_ | that will be the next step, k-d-s isn't finished.... so much to do :) | 05:14 |
Tonio_ | I need to provide a gtk-qt-engine config file | 05:15 |
Tonio_ | by default, you have to go in gtk_qt with systemsettings, and validate the settings for it to work | 05:15 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: that should be changed, I think | 05:16 |
Tonio_ | I have 2 or 3 things like that that are not in k-d-s actually | 05:16 |
Tm_T | ehm! | 05:17 |
Tonio_ | after the freeze, work on the desktop config will be my priority :) | 05:17 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: ? | 05:17 |
jpatrick | Tonio_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-16.html @ 09:31 | 05:17 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick: ok | 05:18 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: I think I said tabs should be where input line is (focus is there) | 05:18 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick: I have the meeting log | 05:18 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: I didn't say everyone said that, need to read the logs | 05:18 |
Tm_T | hehe | 05:18 |
jpatrick | Tm_T: I just pointed that out | 05:18 |
Tm_T | yup | 05:18 |
Tonio_ | I just remember that the final point was that it was nice and important that all application should have the tab at the same place by default no ? | 05:19 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick: I'm not talking about the meeting, I know what has been said there ;) | 05:19 |
Tonio_ | but my feeling is that there is no logicall reason that konsole and konversation have the tabs in a different place | 05:19 |
Tm_T | yes, in logical place, but I don't find it logical to have tabs on top when input line is in bottom | 05:20 |
Tonio_ | so if we put tabs at the bottom for konversation, it should be the same for kopete and konsole, at least | 05:20 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: yes | 05:20 |
Tm_T | that's EXACTLY what I think | 05:20 |
Tonio_ | I don't have any problems with this, Ijust want the desktop tobe coherent | 05:20 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: any opinion on this ? | 05:20 |
Riddell | my opinion is that both are correct | 05:21 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: as I say, k-d-s isn't finished at all, lots of things will changed before release | 05:21 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: yup, and do as you find right, I can always change my settings easily ;) | 05:26 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: best is to rediscuss this during the next meeting, but discuss it globally, for konversation, kopete and konsole I think | 05:26 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: note that I personnaly use them at the bottom :) | 05:26 |
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Tm_T | hehe | 05:27 |
Tonio_ | but what I know is that default settings are for the new users | 05:27 |
Tonio_ | migrating from windows | 05:27 |
Tonio_ | and by default they have ALL used mirc | 05:28 |
jpatrick | we are not microsoft | 05:28 |
Tonio_ | or trillian | 05:28 |
Tm_T | no | 05:28 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: you can't assume that | 05:28 |
Tonio_ | and those softwares have tabs on the top | 05:28 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: hum......... that's my feeling, I may be wrong, that's true | 05:28 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: I used ~5 years irssi in Windows(tm) | 05:28 |
Tm_T | but maybe I'm minority ;( | 05:28 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: what is the percentage of irssi users compared to mirc ? | 05:28 |
Tonio_ | certainly ridiculous | 05:29 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: over half of my irc contacts use irssi | 05:29 |
Tm_T | quakenet is exception | 05:29 |
Tm_T | teen-hell | 05:29 |
Tonio_ | mirc is certainly about 90% of irc clients installed on windows... note that I wasn't using it too | 05:29 |
Tm_T | heh | 05:29 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: are your contacts average users, or geeks like us ? | 05:29 |
Tonio_ | ;) | 05:29 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: mostly they doesn't even know what "distro" means | 05:30 |
Tonio_ | I'm not saying that we have to clone windows with kde, not at all | 05:30 |
Tm_T | yup | 05:30 |
Tonio_ | I'm just searching to provide what people generally are expecting | 05:30 |
Tonio_ | of course that can be very subjective sometimes | 05:30 |
Tm_T | I think we should find "best" way and hope that new users find it "best" too | 05:30 |
jpatrick | a different eXperience ;-) | 05:31 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick: different, but not too much :) | 05:31 |
Tonio_ | people completly lost on a new system will generally reject it, even if that can sound stupid | 05:32 |
Tm_T | or maybe we should SHOCK all new users ;) | 05:32 |
Tm_T | http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_118.png | 05:32 |
Tm_T | meh meh | 05:32 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: well, I'm not sure that the best way to make kubuntu popular | 05:32 |
jpatrick | Tm_T: ROFL | 05:32 |
cmvo | Riddell: Hi! kdesu seems to be at it again... At least it refuses to work here in Flight 4. | 05:32 |
hunger | Hey, got a new moodin today. | 05:33 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: beos fan ? | 05:33 |
hunger | Looks nice. | 05:33 |
jpatrick | hunger: Riddell uploaded today :D | 05:33 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: yes and no, just testing different approaches | 05:33 |
hunger | But what is moodinKDE I got installed yesterday? | 05:33 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: atm I love this <3 | 05:33 |
jpatrick | hunger: the default moodin splash | 05:34 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: I started informatics with beos ;) | 05:34 |
Riddell | cmvo: what happens? | 05:34 |
Tonio_ | I'm looking carefully at haikuos actually, because of that ;) | 05:34 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: heh, I will buy Zeta some day, I afraid ;( | 05:34 |
hunger | Why does kubuntu-desktop depend on that when the kubuntu-theme is a different one? | 05:35 |
cmvo | Riddell: It insists on no recognizing the password. Either user or root. | 05:35 |
cmvo | Riddell: s/no/not/ | 05:36 |
jpatrick | hunger: what? | 05:36 |
hunger | jpatrick: I got ksplash-engine-moodin installed by kubuntu-desktop. but the theme used is kubuntu, not the one provided by that deb. | 05:37 |
Tonio_ | Tm_T: heard about haikuos ? | 05:37 |
jpatrick | hunger: patched the config | 05:37 |
Tonio_ | hunger: the theme is named kubuntu, but isn't the same than the one previously used | 05:37 |
Tonio_ | the kubuntu theme has been replaced normally | 05:38 |
hunger | jpatrick: ? So that engine is indeed necessary. | 05:38 |
hunger | Tonio_: I noticed that:-) | 05:38 |
Tonio_ | and the new one uses moodin | 05:38 |
jpatrick | yes | 05:38 |
Tonio_ | so it is logic that kubuntu-desktop depends on moodin | 05:38 |
hunger | Tonio_: I was wondering why the ksplash-engine-moodin deb was installed when the theme provided by that (moodinKDE) is not used. | 05:38 |
hunger | Tonio_: So that dependency is necessary? Like the new kubuntu theme uses that engine? | 05:39 |
Tonio_ | hunger: because the default theme configured by kubuntu-default-settings uses moodin | 05:39 |
Tonio_ | and will be the one used out of the box | 05:39 |
nlindblad | hi jpatrick | 05:39 |
hunger | Tonio_: Ah, OK:-) | 05:39 |
hunger | Tonio_: Thanks for explaining that to me. | 05:40 |
Tonio_ | no pb ;) | 05:40 |
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cmvo | Riddell: I haven't been able to look into the problem any further as dapper locks up here ever so often. | 05:40 |
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Riddell | anyone else had problems with kdesu? it works for me | 05:41 |
hunger | Riddell: Didn't notice anything yet. | 05:42 |
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cmvo | Riddell: b | 05:45 |
jpatrick | hi nlindblad | 05:45 |
jpatrick | hunger: 8? | 05:45 |
cmvo | Riddell: So its only not working for me. I've set a root password, maybe that is the problem. | 05:47 |
Tm_T | Tonio_: sure | 05:47 |
Riddell | cmvo: that shouldn't make a difference | 05:48 |
Riddell | cmvo: does sudo work? | 05:48 |
cmvo | Riddell: Ah, sudoers did not contain an entry for the user account, just root. | 05:49 |
jpatrick | :/ | 05:50 |
cmvo | Riddell: Didn't get that far between the lockups... Shouldn't the install create this entry in sudoers? I guess only if I didn't enter a password for root. | 05:51 |
Tm_T | hmm | 05:51 |
Riddell | cmvo: it should put the default user into the admin group, and add admin group to sudoers | 05:52 |
Tm_T | jpatrick: one small issue with moodinKDE splash... seems to be fullscreen | 05:52 |
jpatrick | Tm_T: it is.... | 05:52 |
Tm_T | ...and I like to see what happens in desktop while it's loading | 05:52 |
jpatrick | not a lot | 05:53 |
Tm_T | but, I'll testdrive it next time I'm booting | 05:53 |
Tm_T | then I give more feedback ;) | 05:53 |
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cmvo | Riddell: No admin in /etc/group, just lpadmin which the user account is part of. No admin group in sudoers either. | 05:55 |
Riddell | something funny happened during install then | 05:56 |
cmvo | Riddell: I used the expert install, entered a root password and created an user account. | 05:57 |
Riddell | oh, expert install doesn't set up sudo | 05:57 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: did knemo joined main finally ? | 05:57 |
Riddell | so that's the problem | 05:57 |
Riddell | Tonio_: no, it needs a main inclusion review | 05:57 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: k | 05:57 |
jpatrick | err poke pitti | 05:58 |
cmvo | Riddell: Maybe expert install should switch kdesu back to su instead of sudo... | 05:59 |
Riddell | ideally kdesu would go back to sudo if you were not in the admin group | 06:01 |
Riddell | which probably wouldn't be too hard to do | 06:01 |
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cmvo | Riddell: On other problem in Systems Settings still exists. A module can only start once in admin mode until System Settings is restarted. | 06:03 |
Riddell | another one to add to the list of systemsettings problems :) | 06:05 |
cmvo | Riddell: I tried to find it in the source, but I don't know enough about KDE. | 06:07 |
Riddell | I'm not too sure how it detects that another instance it running | 06:08 |
cmvo | Riddel: What bothers me more are those system lockups. At least I'm not the only one (see bug #32055). | 06:12 |
cmvo | Does anybody else here have random system lockups in dapper? | 06:13 |
Riddell | I've not had any problems | 06:15 |
Riddell | tried turning off acpi? | 06:15 |
cmvo | Riddell: I'm trying that now. It is so random, sometimes it take only minutes, sometimes hours. And the system is stable in breezy with acpi... | 06:18 |
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jpatrick | re Tonio_ | 06:28 |
Tonio_ | re jpatrick | 06:28 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 06:28 |
Riddell | Tonio_: hi | 06:28 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I saw you didn't include the konqueror filemanagement desktop file in kubuntu-default-settings | 06:29 |
Tonio_ | is there a specific reason ? | 06:29 |
jpatrick | oh my god, my first package bug | 06:30 |
Tonio_ | I though it usefull to have it in system, and quite logic | 06:30 |
jpatrick | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-kdmtheme/+bug/32494 <- can someone confirm? | 06:30 |
Tonio_ | because there is no way without a K menu entry to add for example a shortcut to it | 06:30 |
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jpatrick | hello kmon | 06:36 |
kmon | hi jpatrick | 06:36 |
jpatrick | please see my comment at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-kdmtheme/+bug/32494 | 06:36 |
kmon | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, so that's why I couldn't respond to your pivate message | 06:36 |
jpatrick | ah right | 06:36 |
kmon | do you prefere to comment the bug here o in launchpad? I've just answered your question | 06:37 |
jpatrick | :/ hmm - so shouldn't it not be "KDM theme..." | 06:38 |
Riddell | Tonio_: you can get to it from the System menu on kicker | 06:39 |
jpatrick | kmon: that's what it's suppose to be | 06:40 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: yes you're right, when it doesn't use that bugging system:/ thing ;) | 06:40 |
Tonio_ | I will work on that patch instead :) | 06:40 |
kmon | "el applet kdmtheme" isn't very descriptive | 06:40 |
Tonio_ | that kleansweep is really GENIUS | 06:40 |
Tonio_ | fabulous application | 06:40 |
Tonio_ | I was searching for something like that for long | 06:40 |
kmon | jpatrick: if it's ok, then fine, but I think it's not very intuitive | 06:41 |
jpatrick | kmon: it is the translation | 06:41 |
kmon | jpatrick: ok, fine. | 06:42 |
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kmon | I have another bug, does metabar sidebar in konqueror work for any of you out of the box? | 06:43 |
kmon | ohh | 06:43 |
kmon | now it works | 06:43 |
kmon | I'm going to close the bug | 06:43 |
Riddell | kmon: I just fixed that today | 06:44 |
kmon | Riddell: I've noticed | 06:45 |
kmon | Riddell: you rock | 06:45 |
Riddell | true | 06:45 |
Tonio_ | lol | 06:45 |
kmon | Riddell: I've read you're goingo to give a talk about kubuntu in fosdem, any plans on recording it for people not able to go there? | 06:49 |
Riddell | I'd have to think of something to talk about first | 06:50 |
kmon | xD | 06:50 |
kmon | you need to convince everyone there that kubuntu rocks and that they need to help ;) | 06:51 |
hunger | Riddell: How about telling what is causing the most work for you when packaging/polishing KDE, current issues, etc.? | 06:55 |
jpatrick | kmon: poke upstream to this the i18n | 06:57 |
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jpatrick | I wonder why | 07:00 |
jpatrick | Riddell: If I was to fix a bug like the one above, could I upload the fix? | 07:02 |
Riddell | jpatrick: which bug? | 07:02 |
Riddell | if it's in universe you can upload | 07:02 |
jpatrick | #32494 | 07:03 |
hunger | Any update on suspend in kubuntu? pmi action suspend works, suspend key is ignored, batterystat-applet's suspend does not work either. | 07:03 |
jpatrick | he's got a point the l10n/i18n's hardly make sense | 07:03 |
jpatrick | and it's an easy fix (patch .desktop file) | 07:04 |
Riddell | jpatrick: go ahead then | 07:05 |
Riddell | jpatrick: but you should fix it upstream as well | 07:05 |
hunger | Oh, I am wrong: Kubuntu DOES suspend, but only after a logout. | 07:05 |
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jpatrick | Riddell: I'll send patch to the authoer | 07:05 |
jpatrick | kmon: I'm fixing it | 07:06 |
kmon | jpatrick: great! | 07:07 |
Riddell | although "KDM Theme manager" doesn't sound like spanish to me | 07:08 |
hunger | battstat applet's suspend action triggers the screensaver (but nothing more). The suspend happens then as soon as you log out. | 07:08 |
jpatrick | kmon: "Encargado del tema de KDM"? | 07:08 |
Riddell | "el applet kdmtheme" sounds muchos better | 07:08 |
kmon | since it's a point to configure KDM, how about adding it to the "administrador de acceso" icon | 07:09 |
kmon | and in there | 07:09 |
jpatrick | hmm? | 07:09 |
kmon | in system settings | 07:10 |
kmon | If I click on apeareance | 07:10 |
kmon | a sidebar shows with more options | 07:10 |
kmon | I would include something similar for this applet | 07:10 |
jpatrick | "Encargado del tema de KDM" should do it | 07:10 |
jpatrick | Riddell: that's what it is right now | 07:11 |
kmon | that doesn't sound very correct.... | 07:11 |
jpatrick | kmon: suggest a name | 07:11 |
kmon | I would prefere "Manejador del tema de KDM" | 07:11 |
hunger | Is there anything I can do to stop kmix from popping up on all logins? | 07:11 |
jpatrick | kmon: good | 07:12 |
kmon | anyone here has flash working out of the box with konqueror? | 07:13 |
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jpatrick | re Lure | 07:13 |
Lure | hi jpatrick | 07:14 |
Lure | Is it just me, or did default font sizes change with today's update | 07:14 |
jpatrick | yep | 07:14 |
hunger | Lure: They did. | 07:14 |
Lure | My high-resolution (147 DPI) looks great | 07:14 |
Lure | allee: now I know you were right with DPI setting being wrong | 07:15 |
Lure | I also like new Kubuntu login and splash. | 07:15 |
jpatrick | Lure: w00t :D | 07:15 |
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Lure | Only splash image is resized on my display and is a bit pixelated | 07:16 |
jpatrick | I have to write thanks to the author | 07:16 |
Lure | jpatrick: thanks to your for packagin it! | 07:16 |
kmon | jpatrick: yes, the new artwork is far better | 07:16 |
Lure | BTW, Konversation icons also changed - nice | 07:16 |
jpatrick | and I found the themes and got him to switch to GPL | 07:16 |
Riddell | Lure: what is your resolution? | 07:18 |
Lure | 1920x1200 on 15.4" LCD (laptop) | 07:18 |
Riddell | the Background images with that ksplash theme are strange | 07:18 |
jpatrick | it uses the old one | 07:19 |
Riddell | it uses a .jpg of the old one | 07:19 |
Riddell | but moodin does strange things with resizing them | 07:19 |
jpatrick | Riddell: do I skip revu? | 07:19 |
Riddell | the 1024x768 one I had to make 1200 | 07:19 |
Riddell | jpatrick: yes | 07:19 |
jpatrick | ok | 07:20 |
kmon | the new splash screen looks strange with widescreen laptops, but this also happens with moodin default splash | 07:20 |
Lure | .jpg - isn't this potentially an issue for text | 07:20 |
Riddell | jpatrick: but give us a debdiff if you want me to check it | 07:20 |
jpatrick | it's a .diff patch | 07:20 |
Riddell | we need to change the KDM theme to not use images for text | 07:20 |
Lure | kmon: maybe you have a point - it might be widescreen that is doing this | 07:20 |
kmon | Lure: I also have a widescreen laptop (15.4) and it's the same problem | 07:21 |
kmon | I'm not sure if it's an easy fix... | 07:21 |
Lure | it is not end of world, but you notice as everything else is so polished ;-) | 07:22 |
Riddell | Lure: please try and make a suitable background | 07:22 |
Riddell | use ksvgtopng on /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz | 07:22 |
Riddell | and add /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/Dialog.png | 07:23 |
Riddell | save as Background-1920x1200.jpg in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/ | 07:23 |
jpatrick | raphink: you around? | 07:24 |
Lure | Riddell: my background is OK (I mean wallpaper) | 07:26 |
Lure | issue is login Splash (new stuff) | 07:26 |
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Riddell | Lure: yes, I need your help to make a suitable splash background image | 07:26 |
Riddell | for your resolution | 07:26 |
Lure | But where is source svg for that - you wrote wallpaper source | 07:27 |
nlindblad | back in 1859, a British guy brought 24 rabbits to Australia | 07:27 |
Lure | (at least this is what I get out of ksvgtopng | 07:27 |
nlindblad | today, there are over 300,000,000 rabbits in Australia | 07:27 |
jpatrick | no suprise | 07:27 |
jpatrick | nlindblad: what's "KDM Theme Manager" in Swedish? | 07:28 |
nlindblad | hang on | 07:28 |
nlindblad | "Inloggningshanterare" is the only entry I find for it in the menus | 07:29 |
nlindblad | but a good translation would probably be "Temahanterare fr KDM" | 07:29 |
jpatrick | Spanish is es, what's Swedish then? | 07:30 |
jpatrick | sv? | 07:30 |
robotgeek | nl? | 07:30 |
nlindblad | sv | 07:30 |
kmon | jpatrick: there's a bug with the KDM theme applet I've just noticed. I doesn't detect themes already installed in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/ | 07:30 |
robotgeek | sorry, bad guess | 07:30 |
jpatrick | kmon: you have to add them yourself | 07:31 |
nlindblad | sv_SE for full localization, since there's also sv_FI (Swedish spoken in Suomi/Finland) | 07:31 |
kmon | jpatrick: so it's a feature not a bug? :P | 07:31 |
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Lure | jpatrick: do you know where is svg file for new splash (as mentioned by Riddell) | 07:33 |
jpatrick | /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/ (as he mentioned) | 07:34 |
Riddell | /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz | 07:34 |
Lure | Riddell: yes, but I get wallpaper without Splash dialog in it | 07:37 |
Lure | (not like others in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/ubuntu | 07:38 |
jpatrick | Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/568884 | 07:40 |
Riddell | woo! coming live from VMWare! | 07:40 |
Riddell | jpatrick: looks good | 07:42 |
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nlindblad | Apple makes it sound like Safari is OSS and is available for most *NIX platforms | 07:43 |
Riddell | webcore is | 07:44 |
Lure | Riddell, jpatrick: OK, I get it now (read Readme) - sorry fo confusion | 07:45 |
Lure | but there is already appropriate 1920x1200 background | 07:45 |
Lure | just does not seem to get used | 07:45 |
nlindblad | Riddell: yeah, is it true they've done some oriented coding with the KDE project? | 07:46 |
Riddell | more like disorientated | 07:46 |
nlindblad | I see | 07:46 |
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nlindblad | in the end, both the company and the project would benefit from it | 07:47 |
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Riddell | supper eh? with anyone? | 07:53 |
kmon | kerry looks good | 07:58 |
kmon | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1820 | 07:58 |
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hunger | No need to pull in mono into kde. | 07:59 |
hunger | And the kde4 has search stuff build in anyway. | 08:00 |
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kmon | yep | 08:00 |
kmon | tenor | 08:00 |
kmon | but until kde4 is ready, it would be nice to include a desktop search utility | 08:00 |
kmon | like kat | 08:00 |
hunger | kmon: Unfortunately kat does not work in ubuntu:-( | 08:01 |
hunger | sqlite is incompatible. | 08:01 |
kmon | I remember reading kat developer uses kubuntu... | 08:02 |
hunger | kat needs heavy modification to work properly... and kat 0.7 will have all that:-) | 08:02 |
kmon | so that myght help in feature releases | 08:02 |
hunger | So nobody seems to be interessted into fixing the current releases. | 08:02 |
Riddell | hunger: why doesn't kat work in ubuntu? | 08:06 |
jpatrick | Riddell: er, no | 08:08 |
Riddell | oh well | 08:08 |
allee | Lure: great! This makes my day :) | 08:11 |
Lure | allee: only GTK app (Firefox) has slighty large fonts, but I need to check if it is my theme | 08:12 |
nlindblad | Riddell: so you're going to LRL | 08:13 |
nlindblad | staying at the official hotel? | 08:13 |
Riddell | nlindblad: yes, no idea | 08:13 |
nlindblad | okey | 08:13 |
Lure | only menu/toolbar fonts are large | 08:13 |
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jpatrick | hmm "dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - kdmtheme and kcontrol-kdmtheme" | 08:17 |
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kmon | bye | 08:49 |
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Lure | allee: update my laptop testing page - any idea about GTK font issue? | 08:56 |
allee | Lure: No. Have not tried yet. I'm still busy at work :( | 08:58 |
Lure | allee: thanks and good work ;-) | 09:00 |
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jpatrick | okay, this thing is just not patching | 09:12 |
jpatrick | arg, it did | 09:14 |
Lure | jpatrick: who is setting BaseResolution on Theme.rc | 09:15 |
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jpatrick | I think Tonio_ is | 09:20 |
Lure | kubuntu-default-settings? | 09:21 |
jpatrick | yes | 09:22 |
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jpatrick | hmm, what to choose: Fix Commited/Released ? | 09:26 |
Riddell | Released | 09:35 |
jpatrick | oh good I chose that one | 09:35 |
jpatrick | commited sounded like svn | 09:35 |
Riddell | yes, that seems to be the consensus | 09:43 |
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jpatrick | wow my packages are going in faster now: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006823.html | 10:08 |
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jpatrick | re robotgeek | 10:16 |
robotgeek | hey jpatrick | 10:16 |
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jpatrick | hey apokryphos | 10:38 |
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jpatrick | and allee | 10:38 |
allee | hi jpatrick | 10:39 |
robotgeek | hey apokryphos , long time | 10:45 |
apokryphos | robotgeek: hello and congrats =) | 10:45 |
robotgeek | thanks apokryphos | 10:46 |
apokryphos | much deserved, IMO 8) | 10:46 |
apokryphos | how's your work with easyubuntu going? | 10:46 |
robotgeek | apokryphos: coming along slowly, i need to finish off DesktopGuide work first | 10:47 |
apokryphos | robotgeek: oh, what is that? | 10:47 |
robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide | 10:48 |
apokryphos | oh, doccing, I see. Looks like it'll be very helpful :) | 10:49 |
apokryphos | (definitely something that's needed) | 10:50 |
apokryphos | robotgeek: any idea how kubu documentation in general is coming along? | 10:50 |
jpatrick | night everyone | 10:50 |
apokryphos | 'night jpatrick :) | 10:50 |
robotgeek | night jpatrick | 10:50 |
robotgeek | apokryphos: not much documentation, as such. kde documentation is good, but kubuntu as such is less | 10:51 |
apokryphos | yeah | 10:52 |
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apokryphos | KDE docs haven't received as much attention at all the last few months unfortunately; luckily a substantial amount of stuff was done in the months before that, so it's generally not that big a problem. | 10:53 |
apokryphos | and docs are really needed to go through kubuntuisms | 10:53 |
robotgeek | apokryphos: quick guide does some intro too | 10:53 |
apokryphos | yup; the one for breezy was decent. | 10:53 |
robotgeek | http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/quickguide-web/C/index.html is for dapper | 10:54 |
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apokryphos | "!," has to be an.. interesting use of punctuation :P | 10:56 |
robotgeek | :) | 10:57 |
allee | New default on login seem to be 'Dejavu San 9' in kcontrolcenter. But when I press [Default] it change to Sans Serif and Monospace in 10 ??? | 10:57 |
allee | [reset] return to dajavu sans. Strange! Tested/verified on 2 laptops | 10:58 |
Lure | allee: true - same in System settings | 10:58 |
apokryphos | robotgeek: when's the doc freeze? I could try to make a patch with any suggestions, I guess. | 10:59 |
allee | Maybe default is whatever is hardcoded in source and first display is what in config files? | 10:59 |
Lure | allee: BTW, Firefox font problem got resolved | 10:59 |
apokryphos | robotgeek: looks very good on the whole (skimmed through a bit) | 10:59 |
allee | Lure: ah, good this was next on my list ;) | 10:59 |
robotgeek | apokryphos: doc freeze is march 23, about one month to go | 11:00 |
Lure | I had to switch to specific font for GTK aps, and then back to "Use KDE dedaults" | 11:00 |
Lure | "Use my KDE fonts in GTK applications" | 11:00 |
allee | Lure: seem to Firefox fonts are now (still) to large. | 11:00 |
allee | Lure: is there a fix so it fonts are adapted automaticly after an upgrade? | 11:01 |
robotgeek | apokryphos: sadly, the Kubuntu Desktop Guide isn't previewable yet. hopefully by this weekend, it should be up for review | 11:01 |
Lure | allee: in my case the are same size as in KDE, only a bit more thin | 11:01 |
Lure | I am talking about menu/status bar fonts for example | 11:01 |
apokryphos | robotgeek: ok, I'll try to get a patch in before that | 11:01 |
Riddell | robotgeek: do you have access to SVN yet? | 11:02 |
robotgeek | apokryphos: for the Desktop Guide? | 11:02 |
Lure | allee: I think we would need to talk with Tonio_ | 11:02 |
robotgeek | Riddell: no, not yet | 11:02 |
allee | Lure: Tonio told me he has currently only internet access from work. So I doubt we'll see him tonight :( | 11:02 |
apokryphos | robotgeek: for the Quick Guide I thought, but I could look through the Desktop Guide too if you wouldn't mind me looking over it. | 11:02 |
robotgeek | Riddell: i heard mdke was planning something, but i havent spoken to him after membership | 11:03 |
robotgeek | apokryphos: sure, all help is welcome :) | 11:03 |
apokryphos | cool, just LMK | 11:05 |
robotgeek | apokryphos: all code is in svn, let me know if you need help with that | 11:05 |
apokryphos | alrighty | 11:06 |
allee | Lure: in the login progress dialog the first two text lines are unreadable (either fonts to small or turn of antialias). Same for you? | 11:06 |
Lure | allee: OK on mine, but I get 1280x800 wallpaper (resized) instead of 1920x1200 | 11:07 |
Lure | 1280x1024 actually | 11:08 |
Lure | therefore dialog is big enough for the fonts ;-) | 11:08 |
allee | Lure: I mean during login there this 'initialing devices' 'setup desktop' ... the lines above 'welcome your name' and the next one are almost unreadable here | 11:08 |
Lure | did not notice... | 11:09 |
Lure | I did run Test and there is no text above Welcome... | 11:10 |
Lure | (just icons that are resized (ugly) in my case) | 11:10 |
allee | Lure: not text? 4 lines: 1st has the icons column, 2nd is welcome your name, 3rd something-can-remember, 4th the corresponding test to the last highlighted icons in 1st row. 2nd and 3rd are unreadable small here | 11:12 |
allee | Lure: icons are fine (but that on 100 dpi) | 11:13 |
Lure | exaclty: 2/3 are small, but I would not say unreadable (I have good eyes) ;-) | 11:14 |
Lure | 147 DPi here, but resized dialog (so I am not sure how real thing would look like) | 11:14 |
Lure | (I will try to hack config file now to see) | 11:14 |
allee | Lure: yeah, pixmap graphic is still a problem :( | 11:15 |
allee | Lure: I've the impression that font in KDMs login window for username or passwd is 11pt (or 12pt?) at least bigger as default in KDE | 11:16 |
Lure | allee: don't change it ;-) - this is the first time it looks OK for me | 11:16 |
allee | Lure: well I like the 11pt (or 10 pt) in login window more than 9 pts in KDE too. ;) | 11:18 |
Lure | it is not enough to just change resolution in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Theme.rc | 11:19 |
Lure | will have to look harder | 11:19 |
Lure | allee: I am joking - if we go down to 8pt I am fine | 11:20 |
allee | Lure: uh, really? and you can work hole day, without concentration problems? | 11:26 |
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allee | Lure: e.g, so up prefer the size the wiki uses. I prefer what one get after a ctrl '+' | 11:30 |
Lure | This is my working notebook and I also IRC for couple of hours at home on it - I am fine | 11:33 |
Lure | allee: Konq or Firefox | 11:33 |
Lure | in my case Konq has large fonts, while Firefox is smaller now | 11:34 |
allee | Lure: Konq! (I only use firefox is konq fails as a fallback) | 11:34 |
allee | s/is/if/ | 11:34 |
Lure | allee: I am primarily on Firefox (can get used to Konq) and like smaller fonts | 11:35 |
Lure | allee: are you on your high-res (144 DPI) or lower now | 11:36 |
allee | smaller fonts is okay, but firefox, argl ;) Seriously I like the integration and quick startup of konq and koffice and as long as the do what I need I use them | 11:36 |
Lure | I can understand need for larger font on lower DPI (<140), bug high-res is so crisp | 11:36 |
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Lure | like paper | 11:36 |
allee | Lure: my laptop is 124 (xft.dpi=120) | 11:36 |
allee | Maybe I have to install dapper the my 144 dpi (but it's so slow) | 11:37 |
Lure | allee: is next CD release Flight5 or Beta - I plan to move then | 11:38 |
allee | No idea. Almost no problems since flight1 here, so I consider it already safe | 11:39 |
Hobbsee | allee: yet the people who installed off flight 4 say anything but that. weird. | 11:42 |
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allee | Hobbsee: details? | 11:43 |
seth | Riddell, this "squares" theme for Konversation is disgusting | 11:44 |
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seth | it's impossible to tell anything apart | 11:44 |
seth | bad default imo :/ | 11:44 |
Hobbsee | allee: dist-upgrades that crashed in the middle, *continues to try to remember* | 11:44 |
Riddell | the default theme is meaningless though, impossibe to tell which icon means what | 11:44 |
Riddell | seth: any suggestions for a better theme? | 11:45 |
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Lure | seth: I think this is better then previous default | 11:45 |
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seth | Riddell, the default Konvi theme seems pretty reasonable to me, but maybe others don't agree, as evidenced by Lure. Perhaps we could make a Kubuntu theme | 11:45 |
Hobbsee | allee: res messing up, one was | 11:45 |
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allee | Hobbsee: oh, I use aptitude and it worked. Well I had to logout/in after some updates to fix strangeness, but if it's only that I consider it stable enough | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | true | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | [09:45] <Snake__> Hobbsee: well my res was messed up | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | [09:45] *** robotgeek_work is now known as robotgeek. | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | [09:45] <Snake__> it was like.... 600x3000 rofl | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | so i dunno - but people dont seem too happy about it - maybe that's more the gnome end though | 11:46 |
allee | mhmm, I would not suggest dapper to a newbie but if someone has a bit of glue what going on dapper is save ;) | 11:46 |
Hobbsee | hehe true | 11:46 |
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Hobbsee | didnt help that i put in the wrong essid, but even so! | 11:47 |
seth | speaking of resolutions, is the Display applet non-functional for anyone else? | 11:47 |
seth | Mine won't load after the last updated version | 11:47 |
Lure | seth: same here - since Flight 4 I think | 11:48 |
allee | Hobbsee: you can glare at something that is wireless? Impressive! | 11:48 |
Hobbsee | sure! my wireless card! | 11:48 |
allee | :) | 11:48 |
Hobbsee | :P | 11:48 |
allee | seth: what the display applet? | 11:49 |
Lure | allee: System settings -> Display | 11:49 |
seth | allee, it does not load. I click it and get "The module Display could not be loaded." | 11:49 |
allee | trying ... | 11:49 |
robotgeek | does anyone know if adept will launch if the notifier is running? | 11:51 |
allee | seth: look in .xsession-error there's a python backtrace | 11:51 |
robotgeek | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9221 adept doesn't launch/come to foreground | 11:51 |
Lure | robotgeek: it does on mine system (slow) | 11:52 |
allee | _Sime: in in create_displayconfig: IndexError: list index out of range | 11:52 |
robotgeek | Lure: hmm, it shows that its running, but doesn't come to foreground | 11:53 |
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Lure | robotgeek: tried again - it works here! | 11:53 |
seth | allee, http://seth.pastebin.com/569303 | 11:53 |
Lure | both Adept and Adept Updater | 11:53 |
robotgeek | Lure: hmm, i will try again. | 11:54 |
allee | seth: yeah, same here too. You mean it's adept not displayconfig? | 11:54 |
Lure | BTW, anybody noticed some (I think guidance) script errors on boot due to read-only FS | 11:54 |
Lure | I think some hw-probe script is run before root is remounted rw | 11:55 |
allee | Hobbsee_away: ah, I don't use adept, maybe that's the reason my I have a good stability impression of dapper ;) | 11:55 |
Lure | (I have only seen this once today as regular ext3 check was started and text) | 11:55 |
allee | Lure: no only when kernel load, some strange PNP msg (10 times the same line or so) | 11:56 |
Lure | allee: ;-) me to - but I am looking forward for new update (nice screenshots) | 11:56 |
seth | allee, adept? Displayconfig is what is having problems | 11:56 |
Lure | allee: yes, this is after todays kernel update (before I had only three PCI messages) | 11:56 |
allee | seth: sorry '[23:53] <Lure> both Adept and Adept Updater' confused me | 11:56 |
seth | allee, ah ^_^ | 11:56 |
allee | :) | 11:57 |
allee | Lets ping _Sime :) | 11:57 |
robotgeek | Lure: sudo adept works (i know that it is bad to do it, but ...) | 11:58 |
Lure | robotgeek: strange - here it works from menu... | 11:59 |
robotgeek | Lure: it worked once, but is not working from then | 11:59 |
Lure | _Sime: I think this is too early in boot: /etc/rcS.d/S18displayconfig-hwprobe.py | 12:00 |
Riddell | Lure: it's now 37 for new installers | 12:01 |
Lure | I have seen failure due to not be able to open some log file for writing | 12:01 |
allee | heh, when I want to configure konqueror or konversation I always open 'Windows' because I automaticly choose the one left to 'help' where is most cases 'setting' are. Am I the only one? | 12:01 |
Lure | Riddell: good - what does it mean "new installers" - new milestone CDs? | 12:01 |
Lure | I will change mine | 12:02 |
Riddell | people who don't already have it installed | 12:02 |
Lure | Riddell: what is next milestone CD: Flight 5 or Beta? | 12:03 |
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