[12:07] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee_away 
[12:07] <Hobbsee_away> hey robotgeek :)
[12:07] <mornfall> Hobbsee_away: i never got to see your first name
[12:07] <mornfall> Hobbsee_away: you are "Hobbsee" to me
[12:07] <robotgeek> Hobbsee_away: did you party? :)
[12:07] <mornfall> a purple nick in #kubuntu-devel
[12:07] <mornfall> :-)
[12:07] <mornfall> magenta
[12:08] <mornfall> or how is the colour called
[12:08] <mornfall> possibly, i'll forget in few days again anyway :)
[12:09] <mornfall> like i forgot that navindra is a guy few times (i was always thinking navindra is a female name... weird)
[12:11] <mornfall> --> night
[12:11] <mornfall> gn
[12:11] <robotgeek> later mornfall 
[12:13] <robotgeek> moving sucks, it will take 2 more hours before the iso is downloaded, <sigh>
[12:14] <Hobbsee_away> mornfall: hehe - my terminal shows sarah@sarah: - so a lot of people figured it out that way
[12:14] <Hobbsee_away> robotgeek: no, i went to work, and got rear-ended on my way there, or maybe the car behind me did
[12:15] <robotgeek> Hobbsee_away: i was just sitting at home, unpacking
[12:15] <Hobbsee_away> :)
[01:08] <allee> Hobbsee_away: ping?
[01:08] <allee> Hobbsee_away: why do you suggest in WPAhowto to first purge wpasupplicant?
[01:11] <Hobbsee_away> allee: pong
[01:12] <allee> ping pog
[01:12] <Hobbsee_away> i didnt, that was already part of the guide
[01:12] <allee> Hobbsee: care to remove it ;)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> actually, seveas went and reverted all my changes to it - all i did was combine two of the wiki docs on wpa into one
[01:13] <allee>  I saw you applied for membership.  Can I gratulate?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> so i'm not sure really sure what to do with it now, and would hate to step on someone's toes again
[01:13] <Hobbsee> allee: thanks :) i got it, too :)
[01:14] <allee> okay, great.  Congrats!
[01:14] <allee> did he give any reason for the revert?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> [Wed Feb 22 2006]  [11:36:28]  <Seveas> I just reverted the WPAHowto page - the things you added were quite crackful and at some places broken. I'll add the good bits again soon.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> [Wed Feb 22 2006]  [11:37:06]  <Hobbsee> oh were they?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> [Wed Feb 22 2006]  [11:37:37]  <Seveas> yes, at least for breezy
[01:18] <allee> mhmm. okay
[01:18] <Hobbsee> heh...yeah
[01:18] <Hobbsee> so i'm most curious to see which bits were broken
[01:18] <Hobbsee> unfortunately i forgot to save the text file of what i'd done - silly me!
[01:18] <allee> I curious too. Let's check the diff ..
[01:20] <Hobbsee> allee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto if you didnt already have it
[01:21] <allee> thx I had it. I check the diff.  heh, lots of assumptions ;)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:21] <Hobbsee> well, it's true - if your network wont work without encryption, it wont work with!
[01:21] <allee> Hobbsee: got you ;) sudo dpkg --purge wpasupplicant
[01:22] <Hobbsee> but yeah
[01:22] <Hobbsee> starting with a new config seems to be the idea
[01:23] <allee> 'k it's no big deal.  I was just wondering about the why.
[01:26] <allee> mhm, at least in dapper wpasupplicant is started behind the scene no need for  post-/pre- stuff
[01:27] <allee> and the longish sudo dhclient ... is better done with iface wlan0 inet dhcp and a ifup wlan0
[01:30] <allee> Hobbsee: I hope that (k)netswitch will make WPAhowto much simpler ;)  Now looking into these new beasts ..
[01:31] <Hobbsee> allee: i hope so too - i'm finding very little of decent wireless stuff in kubuntu
[01:31] <Hobbsee> because kwifimanager seems to lie
[01:32] <allee> Hobbsee: yeah, network mgnt as is for laptop needs lots of love to be useful
[01:33] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah, tell me about it
[01:33] <robotgeek> the closest think i've seen to "neat" is the script on WifiHowto, lol
[01:33] <Hobbsee> mind you, i'm kinda new to wireless
[01:33] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: nowadays, i just edit the essid in the script i'm running, lol
[01:33] <allee> Hobbsee: have you WEP working with wpasupplicant too?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> might be a good idea
[01:34] <Hobbsee> allee: havent tried - dad decided to go straight from unencrypted to wpa
[01:34] <Hobbsee> and it's not worth trying to change it permanently, unless you want hobbsee to be deaded hobbsee lol
[01:35] <robotgeek> 1:39 to complete download, *tsk*
[01:35] <allee> good choice.  I need both and as is I have only WEP or only WPA working.  Switch need minimal editing :(
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:36] <robotgeek> but why would you need both together, isn't that a bit of an overkill?
[01:36] <allee> robotgeek: laptop tend to move location. And I'm not everywhere the owner of the AP
[01:37] <robotgeek> allee: yes, but do they actually have both together
[01:37] <allee> robotgeek: no
[01:37] <robotgeek> i'm trying to find out, cause i would be in deep trouble. i dunno what WPA is, lol
[01:39] <allee> Hobbsee: as mentioned earlier every wifi driver needs special treatment.  WPA works with modprobe/rmmod (or maybe hwencypt=0) for ipw2200 (in dapper)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> true
[01:40] <allee> lets cross finger that the kernel dev finaly agree on a common wifi stack so we get much less driver depended bugs
[01:44] <Hobbsee> mmmm...nasty
[01:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, that'd be nice!
[01:45] <Hobbsee> ah, got rid of it.   silly kwifimanager
[01:46] <freeflying> Hobbsee: congradulate your membership
[01:48] <Hobbsee> freeflying: thankyou :)
[02:23] <allee> mhmm
[02:48] <allee> Anyone tried knetswitch? here I get a crash after I entered my pw
[09:07] <ubijtsa2> andred: seems like your server is having issues. Have we hammered your bandwidth a bit much?
[10:10] <Tonio__> hi all
[10:15] <freeflying> hi Tonio_ 
[10:36] <Hobbsee_away> hey Tonio_ 
[10:37] <lianghu> hi freeflying
[10:37] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee_away, freeflying 
[10:37] <freeflying> lianghu: hi
[10:38] <lianghu> I don't find dapper room
[10:39] <freeflying> lianghu: dappr is just the name of coming release
[10:39] <lianghu> I know
[10:39] <freeflying> lianghu: u may attend #ubuntu ,#kubuntu ,#ubuntu-zh
[10:39] <lianghu> Ok
[10:59] <Riddell> morning lianghu, another of our growing CKJ helpers?
[11:01] <Riddell> I see Hobbsee got tough with the late night #kubuntu revellers last night :)
[11:01] <Hobbsee> who were these?
[11:01] <Hobbsee> oh, the idiot that was calling someone else a whore?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> lol...yeah...
[11:03] <Hobbsee> i was glad that they didnt continue with their painfulness - i had to go and have dinner!
[11:04] <Hobbsee> and i take it that last night means a couple of hours ago
[11:05] <freeflying> Riddell: lianghu is also from chinese , and he is living in the same city with me 
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: gloubiboulga fixed the gnetswitch issue :)
[11:37] <Tonio_> was ust a .mk problem, autotools needed instead of gonome.mk
[11:55] <freeflying> looking for review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2004
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: what is cursors/default/index.theme for?
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: to have the kubuntu human cursor during the kdm theme
[12:06] <Tonio_> and in appications using X cursor like firefox
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is a well known tip to correct the cursor issue in firefox 
[12:09] <Tonio_> I forgot to add that in the changelog sorry
[12:09] <Riddell> nice
[12:10] <Tonio_> that's the reason it took me long to do that, cause I first had to search for little issues;)
[12:11] <Hobbsee_> is that the darned cursor in firefox not inheriting the general kubuntu theme?
[12:20] <Riddell> what is ra0,ra1 for network interfaces?
[12:54] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it's firefox -- it has to be special
[12:55] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe no it doesnt!  i've enjoyed *not* having to constantly make that change!
[12:57] <Hobbsee> mind you, have to make xorg changes instead, but oh well hehe
[01:04] <jeroenvrp> mmm I like to submit bugs for adept, but kde.bugs.org doesnt want help me today
[01:04] <mornfall> hmm
[01:05] <mornfall> bugs.kde.org too :)
[01:05] <jeroenvrp> ah yes :-)
[01:05] <jeroenvrp> no serious it doesnt want to continue
[01:05] <jeroenvrp> ah
[01:05] <jeroenvrp> it does now
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: thats bug #1
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> actually the only real bug
[01:12] <jeroenvrp> I also have a wishlist item
[01:14] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: for the bug, i may need more details... probably the output from konsole
[01:14] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: you also should run sudo dpkg --configure -a because your system is probably now broken :-)
[01:14] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: you mean the konsole inside adept?
[01:15] <mornfall> yes
[01:15] <jeroenvrp> ok, because gdb doesnt give much output
[01:15] <mornfall> it's not gdb output really
[01:15] <mornfall> :)
[01:15] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: yes I know, it needs to crash for that
[01:15] <jeroenvrp> so I can do a backtrace
[01:16] <jeroenvrp> oh wait maybe I can still to that
[01:16] <mornfall> you can do backtrace any time (just hit ctrl+c and write bt), but that's not very usefull
[01:16] <mornfall> in this context
[01:16] <viviersf> Riddell, how do i add actions to kde again ?
[01:16] <jeroenvrp> (gdb) bt
[01:16] <jeroenvrp> No stack.
[01:16] <jeroenvrp> :-(
[01:16] <viviersf> right click one file type stuff
[01:16] <mornfall> it won't help anyway
[01:16] <mornfall> well
[01:16] <mornfall> you can do break __cxa_throw
[01:16] <mornfall> but gdb is sort of broken
[01:16] <mornfall> nowadays
[01:16] <jeroenvrp> Breakpoint 1 at 0x37b82a19
[01:16] <mornfall> at least i can't seem to run a forking+threading app like adept in it
[01:17] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: and then run it, to see where the exception comes from (doing bt when getting to the breakpoint)
[01:17] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: do you need the wishlist item here at bugs.kde.org?
[01:17] <mornfall> jeroenvrp: depends on how much you want it implemented -- if you just tell me, chances are i forget
[01:17] <jeroenvrp> its a very small one
[01:17] <jeroenvrp> so it seems
[01:17] <mornfall> b.k.o is more reliable :)
[01:18] <jeroenvrp> ok I do that
[01:19] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: sudo dpkg --configure -a : is doing indeed a few packages, strange normally those unconfigured packages are seen in synaptic
[01:20] <jeroenvrp> the first one was indeed samba-common
[01:20] <jeroenvrp> lets add rthat
[01:20] <mornfall> probably a bug in packages (file conflict or such)
[01:21] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: it happens all the time, but I will give you next time info from konsole
[01:23] <mornfall> well, if it happens once it'll happen always unless the problem is resolved somehow
[01:23] <mornfall> because it'll always die with same package
[01:24] <Riddell> viviersf: add them where?
[01:24] <Riddell> viviersf: konq service menus /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/
[01:26] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: I see the wish has allready been submitted and closed wit a won't fix :-( Anyhow I still added a comment to it: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116925
[01:27] <mornfall> yeah, i'm mean
[01:28] <jeroenvrp> it seems lik eit :-)
[01:28] <mornfall> but adding options for this kind of thing really does not make sense -- fix the system instead of adding configure options to work around it in various ways :)
[01:30] <jeroenvrp> mornfall: the "configure" question is more like a comprimise
[01:31] <jeroenvrp> but thats my opinion
[01:32] <mornfall> well, even if i made it configurable -- what would we win?
[01:32] <mornfall> default would still be same
[01:36] <viviersf> Riddell, ya i figured it out thx
[02:04] <Tonio_> re
[02:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[02:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: h
[02:26] <Riddell> hi
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I forgot to mention a few things in k-d-s
[02:28] <Tonio_> for example, addition of the printing submenu in K menu
[02:28] <Tonio_> don't know if you'll agree, but that makes it pretty easy to find, and ressembles to osx and windows one....
[02:29] <Tonio_> I just migrated to dapper, and 96dpi + fints in 9 is pretty neat :)
[02:29] <Riddell> yuck, duplicates systemsettings
[02:29] <Tonio_> s/fints/fonts
[02:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, that's true indeed
[02:29] <Tonio_> so you should remove that maybe :)
[02:30] <Tonio_> about systemsettings, you told me about another pot file to translate .desktop files
[02:30] <Tonio_> can I find it on svn ?
[02:30] <Tonio_> I will translate it also :)
[02:30] <Riddell> I'm tempted to set the font size to 10, that's the KDE and Gnome default
[02:31] <Tonio_> hum
[02:31] <Tonio_> it is very big with kde....
[02:31] <Tonio_> I tested, but kde generally has more text in windows than gnome
[02:31] <Tonio_> and the main resolution used today is still 1024*768
[02:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base.pot
[02:32] <Tonio_> most OS and linux distros have 8 or 9 equivalent by default
[02:32] <Tonio_> and I must say the default gnome or kde is really ugly generally so.... ;)
[02:33] <Tonio_> let me take 2 screenshots with 10 and 9 to compare
[02:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: well with dpi set the difference isn't really big... 9 and 10 are about the same, although 9 is a bit cleaner to my eyes...
[02:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: you decide :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> mornfall: wow !
[02:48] <mornfall> hmm? :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> mornfall: about adept installer, are you okay with the icon I did, or would you like something different ?
[02:49] <mornfall> i'm okey... *adds the icon to todo, so it gets included*
[02:50] <Tonio_> cool
[03:45] <jpatrick> afternoon Tonio_ 
[03:46] <freeflying> jpatrick: hi
[03:47] <jpatrick> hi freeflying 
[03:47] <freeflying> jpatrick: I'm looking for review , :)
[03:48] <jpatrick> freeflying: I'm not busy :) /me goes to revu
[03:49] <freeflying> jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2011
[03:50] <jpatrick> oh nice, a game
[03:52] <freeflying> jpatrick: yeah , 
[03:53] <jpatrick> I think it's prefered to use '/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' instead of '/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'
[03:54] <jpatrick> and seperate the Copyright and the license with "License:"
[03:54] <freeflying> jpatrick: this program use gpl-2 license
[03:56] <jpatrick> I know but that's how it is
[03:59] <Tonio_> jpatrick: afternoon ;)
[04:00] <jpatrick> freeflying: some files use the GNU Library General Public License exp. gettext.h
[04:01] <freeflying> jpatrick: ok, I correct it , Another question , if I wanna upload to mentor.debian.net ,then shall I rename the package in changelog?
[04:03] <jpatrick> not sure...
[04:04] <freeflying> jpatrick: besides above , any others shall be correctted ?
[04:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: my systemapplet patch technically works, but needs improvement
[04:05] <Tonio_> I think it'll be okay for this WE
[04:05] <jpatrick> freeflying: looks good apart from those
[04:07] <freeflying> jpatrick: I'm reuploading now ,plz check it again , and anohter package named eva also , thx
[04:08] <jpatrick> freeflying: I left a comment on eva
[04:09] <freeflying> jpatrick: also i've reuploaded it 
[04:12] <jpatrick> freeflying: not sure why but it's still a massive *.diff
[04:23] <freeflying> jpatrick: why some Makefile and configure are in diff
[04:23] <jpatrick> did you change the src before packaging?
[04:25] <freeflying> jpatrick: never
[04:25] <jpatrick> :/
[04:36] <hunger> Riddell: Will you be at the pre-FOSDEM meeting tomorrow night?
[04:36] <Riddell> hunger: yes, in Grand Place
[04:36] <hunger> Riddell: I'll look out for you then. I owe you some drinks.
[04:37] <Riddell> :)
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: there are a few other things I may add to k-d-s in the next days, like kate's session management and a few other things
[05:06] <jpatrick> by the way, what did you do with the konversation tabs?
[05:06] <jpatrick> aKa: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[05:06] <Tonio_> jpatrick: well I finally rediscussed with many persons, as you know, and they were finally okay to add them on top
[05:06] <Tonio_> because other apps have tabs there already
[05:06] <Tonio_> so I added them on top
[05:07] <jpatrick> i thought we agreed on keeping them at the buttom
[05:08] <Tonio_> hu ?
[05:08] <Tonio_> not what I remember ;)
[05:08] <jpatrick> at the Kubuntu meeting (first one)
[05:08] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, but I couldn't explain the reason cause I wasn't here
[05:09] <Tonio_> so next day I rediscussed with Tm_T, hunger, freeflying and a few more
[05:09] <Tonio_> and to what I remember the conclusion was that if we wanted a logical desktop, tabs should be on top or bottom for all apps....
[05:09] <Tonio_> thus, because konsole, kopete, konq, Firefox have them on top.........
[05:10] <Tonio_> if that causes a problem, it'll be changed before dapper is out, of course
[05:10] <jpatrick> ok
[05:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, I'm not sure what to do with kate's sessions
[05:11] <Riddell> turning them off might be nice :)
[05:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll make tests first ;)
[05:11] <Tonio_> I would like to keep 3.4.2 wayto work
[05:12] <Tonio_> if we stop sessions, any opened file opens a new kate
[05:12] <Riddell> at the moment if you click on a .txt link in konqueror it opens up kate with the default session in a new window, which is horrible
[05:12] <Tonio_> best is to open all files in kate, but without session saving no ?
[05:12] <Tonio_> first file -> blank kate session
[05:12] <Tonio_> second file in the same window etc........
[05:13] <Riddell> yes, that's how I'd like i
[05:13] <Riddell> it
[05:13] <Tonio_> I loved that way to work
[05:13] <Riddell> opening in a new window is OK too, just so long as that new window doesn't also include all the files from the default session
[05:13] <Tonio_> I'll search that, plus try to configure another few things
[05:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: agree
[05:14] <Tonio_> that will be the next step, k-d-s isn't finished.... so much to do :)
[05:15] <Tonio_> I need to provide a gtk-qt-engine config file
[05:15] <Tonio_> by default, you have to go in gtk_qt with systemsettings, and validate the settings for it to work
[05:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: that should be changed, I think
[05:16] <Tonio_> I have 2 or 3 things like that that are not in k-d-s actually
[05:17] <Tm_T> ehm!
[05:17] <Tonio_> after the freeze, work on the desktop config will be my priority :)
[05:17] <Tonio_> Tm_T:  ?
[05:17] <jpatrick> Tonio_:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-16.html @ 09:31
[05:18] <Tonio_> jpatrick: ok
[05:18] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I think I said tabs should be where input line is (focus is there)
[05:18] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I have the meeting log
[05:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I didn't say everyone said that, need to read the logs
[05:18] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:18] <jpatrick> Tm_T: I just pointed that out
[05:18] <Tm_T> yup
[05:19] <Tonio_> I just remember that the final point was that it was nice and important that all application should have the tab at the same place by default no ?
[05:19] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I'm not talking about the meeting, I know what has been said there ;)
[05:19] <Tonio_> but my feeling is that there is no logicall reason that konsole and konversation have the tabs in a different place
[05:20] <Tm_T> yes, in logical place, but I don't find it logical to have tabs on top when input line is in bottom
[05:20] <Tonio_> so if we put tabs at the bottom for konversation, it should be the same for kopete and konsole, at least
[05:20] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yes
[05:20] <Tm_T> that's EXACTLY what I think
[05:20] <Tonio_> I don't have any problems with this, Ijust want the desktop tobe coherent
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion on this ?
[05:21] <Riddell> my opinion is that both are correct
[05:21] <Tonio_> Tm_T: as I say, k-d-s isn't finished at all, lots of things will changed before release
[05:26] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yup, and do as you find right, I can always change my settings easily ;)
[05:26] <Tonio_> Tm_T: best is to rediscuss this during the next meeting, but discuss it globally, for konversation, kopete and konsole I think
[05:26] <Tonio_> Tm_T: note that I personnaly use them at the bottom :)
[05:27] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:27] <Tonio_> but what I know is that default settings are for the new users
[05:27] <Tonio_> migrating from windows
[05:28] <Tonio_> and by default they have ALL used mirc
[05:28] <jpatrick> we are not microsoft
[05:28] <Tonio_> or trillian
[05:28] <Tm_T> no
[05:28] <Tm_T> Tonio_: you can't assume that
[05:28] <Tonio_> and those softwares have tabs on the top
[05:28] <Tonio_> Tm_T: hum......... that's my feeling, I may be wrong, that's true
[05:28] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I used ~5 years irssi in Windows(tm)
[05:28] <Tm_T> but maybe I'm minority ;(
[05:28] <Tonio_> Tm_T: what is the percentage of irssi users compared to mirc ? 
[05:29] <Tonio_> certainly ridiculous
[05:29] <Tm_T> Tonio_: over half of my irc contacts use irssi
[05:29] <Tm_T> quakenet is exception
[05:29] <Tm_T> teen-hell
[05:29] <Tonio_> mirc is certainly about 90% of irc clients installed on windows... note that I wasn't using it too
[05:29] <Tm_T> heh
[05:29] <Tonio_> Tm_T: are your contacts average users, or geeks like us ?
[05:29] <Tonio_> ;)
[05:30] <Tm_T> Tonio_: mostly they doesn't even know what "distro" means
[05:30] <Tonio_> I'm not saying that we have to clone windows with kde, not at all
[05:30] <Tm_T> yup
[05:30] <Tonio_> I'm just searching to provide what people generally are expecting
[05:30] <Tonio_> of course that can be very subjective sometimes
[05:30] <Tm_T> I think we should find "best" way and hope that new users find it "best" too
[05:31] <jpatrick> a different eXperience ;-)
[05:31] <Tonio_> jpatrick: different, but not too much :)
[05:32] <Tonio_> people completly lost on a new system will generally reject it, even if that can sound stupid
[05:32] <Tm_T> or maybe we should SHOCK all new users ;)
[05:32] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_118.png
[05:32] <Tm_T> meh meh
[05:32] <Tonio_> Tm_T: well, I'm not sure that the best way to make kubuntu popular
[05:32] <jpatrick> Tm_T: ROFL
[05:32] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! kdesu seems to be at it again... At least it refuses to work here in Flight 4.
[05:33] <hunger> Hey, got a new moodin today.
[05:33] <Tonio_> Tm_T: beos fan ?
[05:33] <hunger> Looks nice.
[05:33] <jpatrick> hunger: Riddell uploaded today :D
[05:33] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yes and no, just testing different approaches
[05:33] <hunger> But what is moodinKDE I got installed yesterday?
[05:33] <Tm_T> Tonio_: atm I love this <3
[05:34] <jpatrick> hunger: the default moodin splash
[05:34] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I started informatics with beos ;)
[05:34] <Riddell> cmvo: what happens?
[05:34] <Tonio_> I'm looking carefully at haikuos actually, because of that ;)
[05:34] <Tm_T> Tonio_: heh, I will buy Zeta some day, I afraid ;(
[05:35] <hunger> Why does kubuntu-desktop depend on that when the kubuntu-theme is a different one?
[05:35] <cmvo> Riddell: It insists on no recognizing the password. Either user or root.
[05:36] <cmvo> Riddell: s/no/not/
[05:36] <jpatrick> hunger: what?
[05:37] <hunger> jpatrick: I got ksplash-engine-moodin installed by kubuntu-desktop. but the theme used is kubuntu, not the one provided by that deb.
[05:37] <Tonio_> Tm_T: heard about haikuos ?
[05:37] <jpatrick> hunger: patched the config
[05:37] <Tonio_> hunger: the theme is named kubuntu, but isn't the same than the one previously used
[05:38] <Tonio_> the kubuntu theme has been replaced normally
[05:38] <hunger> jpatrick: ? So that engine is indeed necessary.
[05:38] <hunger> Tonio_: I noticed that:-)
[05:38] <Tonio_> and the new one uses moodin
[05:38] <jpatrick> yes
[05:38] <Tonio_> so it is logic that kubuntu-desktop depends on moodin
[05:38] <hunger> Tonio_: I was wondering why the ksplash-engine-moodin deb was installed when the theme provided by that (moodinKDE) is not used.
[05:39] <hunger> Tonio_: So that dependency is necessary? Like the new kubuntu theme uses that engine?
[05:39] <Tonio_> hunger: because the default theme configured by kubuntu-default-settings uses moodin
[05:39] <Tonio_> and will be the one used out of the box
[05:39] <nlindblad> hi jpatrick
[05:39] <hunger> Tonio_: Ah, OK:-)
[05:40] <hunger> Tonio_: Thanks for explaining that to me.
[05:40] <Tonio_> no pb ;)
[05:40] <cmvo> Riddell: I haven't been able to look into the problem any further as dapper locks up here ever so often.
[05:41] <Riddell> anyone else had problems with kdesu?  it works for me
[05:42] <hunger> Riddell: Didn't notice anything yet.
[05:45] <cmvo> Riddell: b
[05:45] <jpatrick> hi nlindblad 
[05:45] <jpatrick> hunger: 8?
[05:47] <cmvo> Riddell: So its only not working for me. I've set a root password, maybe that is the problem.
[05:47] <Tm_T> Tonio_: sure
[05:48] <Riddell> cmvo: that shouldn't make a difference
[05:48] <Riddell> cmvo: does sudo work?
[05:49] <cmvo> Riddell: Ah, sudoers did not contain an entry for the user account, just root.
[05:50] <jpatrick> :/
[05:51] <cmvo> Riddell: Didn't get that far between the lockups... Shouldn't the install create this entry in sudoers? I guess only if I didn't enter a password for root.
[05:51] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:52] <Riddell> cmvo: it should put the default user into the admin group, and add admin group to sudoers
[05:52] <Tm_T> jpatrick: one small issue with moodinKDE splash... seems to be fullscreen
[05:52] <jpatrick> Tm_T: it is....
[05:52] <Tm_T> ...and I like to see what happens in desktop while it's loading
[05:53] <jpatrick> not a lot
[05:53] <Tm_T> but, I'll testdrive it next time I'm booting
[05:53] <Tm_T> then I give more feedback ;)
[05:55] <cmvo> Riddell: No admin in /etc/group, just lpadmin which the user account is part of. No admin group in sudoers either.
[05:56] <Riddell> something funny happened during install then
[05:57] <cmvo> Riddell: I used the expert install, entered a root password and created an user account.
[05:57] <Riddell> oh, expert install doesn't set up sudo
[05:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: did knemo joined main finally ?
[05:57] <Riddell> so that's the problem
[05:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, it needs a main inclusion review
[05:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: k
[05:58] <jpatrick> err poke pitti
[05:59] <cmvo> Riddell: Maybe expert install should switch kdesu back to su instead of sudo...
[06:01] <Riddell> ideally kdesu would go back to sudo if you were not in the admin group
[06:01] <Riddell> which probably wouldn't be too hard to do
[06:03] <cmvo> Riddell: On other problem in Systems Settings still exists. A module can only start once in admin mode until System Settings is restarted.
[06:05] <Riddell> another one to add to the list of systemsettings problems :)
[06:07] <cmvo> Riddell: I tried to find it in the source, but I don't know enough about KDE.
[06:08] <Riddell> I'm not too sure how it detects that another instance it running
[06:12] <cmvo> Riddel: What bothers me more are those system lockups. At least I'm not the only one (see bug #32055).
[06:13] <cmvo> Does anybody else here have random system lockups in dapper?
[06:15] <Riddell> I've not had any problems
[06:15] <Riddell> tried turning off acpi?
[06:18] <cmvo> Riddell: I'm trying that now. It is so random, sometimes it take only minutes, sometimes hours. And the system is stable in breezy with acpi...
[06:28] <jpatrick> re Tonio_ 
[06:28] <Tonio_> re jpatrick 
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[06:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw you didn't include the konqueror filemanagement desktop file in kubuntu-default-settings
[06:29] <Tonio_> is there a specific reason ?
[06:30] <jpatrick> oh my god, my first package bug
[06:30] <Tonio_> I though it usefull to have it in system, and quite logic
[06:30] <jpatrick> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-kdmtheme/+bug/32494 <- can someone confirm?
[06:30] <Tonio_> because there is no way without a K menu entry to add for example a shortcut to it
[06:36] <jpatrick> hello kmon 
[06:36] <kmon> hi jpatrick
[06:36] <jpatrick> please see my comment at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-kdmtheme/+bug/32494
[06:36] <kmon> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, so that's why I couldn't respond to your pivate message
[06:36] <jpatrick> ah right
[06:37] <kmon> do you prefere to comment the bug here o in launchpad? I've just answered your question
[06:38] <jpatrick> :/ hmm - so shouldn't it not be "KDM theme..."
[06:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can get to it from the System menu on kicker
[06:40] <jpatrick> kmon: that's what it's suppose to be
[06:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes you're right, when it doesn't use that bugging system:/ thing ;)
[06:40] <Tonio_> I will work on that patch instead :)
[06:40] <kmon> "el applet kdmtheme" isn't very descriptive
[06:40] <Tonio_> that kleansweep is really GENIUS
[06:40] <Tonio_> fabulous application
[06:40] <Tonio_> I was searching for something like that for long
[06:41] <kmon> jpatrick:  if it's ok, then fine, but I think it's not very intuitive
[06:41] <jpatrick> kmon: it is the translation
[06:42] <kmon> jpatrick: ok, fine.
[06:43] <kmon> I have another bug, does metabar sidebar in konqueror work for any of you out of the box?
[06:43] <kmon> ohh
[06:43] <kmon> now it works
[06:43] <kmon> I'm going to close the bug
[06:44] <Riddell> kmon: I just fixed that today
[06:45] <kmon> Riddell: I've noticed
[06:45] <kmon> Riddell: you rock
[06:45] <Riddell> true
[06:45] <Tonio_> lol
[06:49] <kmon> Riddell: I've read you're goingo to give a talk about kubuntu in fosdem, any plans on recording it for people not able to go there?
[06:50] <Riddell> I'd have to think of something to talk about first
[06:50] <kmon> xD
[06:51] <kmon> you need to convince everyone there that kubuntu rocks and that they need to help ;)
[06:55] <hunger> Riddell: How about telling what is causing the most work for you when packaging/polishing KDE, current issues, etc.?
[06:57] <jpatrick> kmon: poke upstream to this the i18n
[07:00] <jpatrick> I wonder why
[07:02] <jpatrick> Riddell: If I was to fix a bug like the one above, could I upload the fix?
[07:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: which bug?
[07:02] <Riddell> if it's in universe you can upload
[07:03] <jpatrick> #32494
[07:03] <hunger> Any update on suspend in kubuntu? pmi action suspend works, suspend key is ignored, batterystat-applet's suspend does not work either.
[07:03] <jpatrick> he's got a point the l10n/i18n's hardly make sense
[07:04] <jpatrick> and it's an easy fix (patch .desktop file)
[07:05] <Riddell> jpatrick: go ahead then
[07:05] <Riddell> jpatrick: but you should fix it upstream as well
[07:05] <hunger> Oh, I am wrong: Kubuntu DOES suspend, but only after a logout.
[07:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: I'll send patch to the authoer
[07:06] <jpatrick> kmon: I'm fixing it
[07:07] <kmon> jpatrick: great!
[07:08] <Riddell> although "KDM Theme manager" doesn't sound like spanish to me
[07:08] <hunger> battstat applet's suspend action triggers the screensaver (but nothing more). The suspend happens then as soon as you log out.
[07:08] <jpatrick> kmon: "Encargado del tema de KDM"?
[07:08] <Riddell> "el applet kdmtheme" sounds muchos better
[07:09] <kmon> since it's a point to configure KDM, how about adding it to the "administrador de acceso" icon
[07:09] <kmon> and in there
[07:09] <jpatrick> hmm?
[07:10] <kmon> in system settings
[07:10] <kmon> If I click on apeareance
[07:10] <kmon> a sidebar shows with more options
[07:10] <kmon> I would include something similar for this applet
[07:10] <jpatrick> "Encargado del tema de KDM" should do it
[07:11] <jpatrick> Riddell: that's what it is right now
[07:11] <kmon> that doesn't sound very correct....
[07:11] <jpatrick> kmon: suggest a name
[07:11] <kmon> I would prefere "Manejador del tema de KDM"
[07:11] <hunger> Is there anything I can do to stop kmix from popping up on all logins?
[07:12] <jpatrick> kmon: good
[07:13] <kmon> anyone here has flash working out of the box with konqueror?
[07:13] <jpatrick> re Lure 
[07:14] <Lure> hi jpatrick
[07:14] <Lure> Is it just me, or did default font sizes change with today's update
[07:14] <jpatrick> yep
[07:14] <hunger> Lure: They did.
[07:14] <Lure> My high-resolution (147 DPI) looks great 
[07:15] <Lure> allee: now I know you were right with DPI setting being wrong
[07:15] <Lure> I also like new Kubuntu login and splash. 
[07:15] <jpatrick> Lure: w00t :D
[07:16] <Lure> Only splash image is resized on my display and is a bit pixelated
[07:16] <jpatrick> I have to write thanks to the author
[07:16] <Lure> jpatrick: thanks to your for packagin it!
[07:16] <kmon> jpatrick: yes, the new artwork is far better
[07:16] <Lure> BTW, Konversation icons also changed - nice
[07:16] <jpatrick> and I found the themes and got him to switch to GPL
[07:18] <Riddell> Lure: what is your resolution?
[07:18] <Lure> 1920x1200 on 15.4" LCD (laptop)
[07:18] <Riddell> the Background images with that ksplash theme are strange
[07:19] <jpatrick> it uses the old one
[07:19] <Riddell> it uses a .jpg of the old one
[07:19] <Riddell> but moodin does strange things with resizing them
[07:19] <jpatrick> Riddell: do I skip revu?
[07:19] <Riddell> the 1024x768 one I had to make 1200
[07:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes
[07:20] <jpatrick> ok
[07:20] <kmon> the new splash screen looks strange with widescreen laptops, but this also happens with moodin default splash
[07:20] <Lure> .jpg - isn't this potentially an issue for text
[07:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: but give us a debdiff if you want me to check it
[07:20] <jpatrick> it's a .diff patch
[07:20] <Riddell> we need to change the KDM theme to not use images for text
[07:20] <Lure> kmon: maybe you have a point - it might be widescreen that is doing this
[07:21] <kmon> Lure: I also have a widescreen laptop (15.4) and it's the same problem
[07:21] <kmon> I'm not sure if it's an easy fix...
[07:22] <Lure> it is not end of world, but you notice as everything else is so polished ;-)
[07:22] <Riddell> Lure: please try and make a suitable background
[07:22] <Riddell> use ksvgtopng on /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz
[07:23] <Riddell> and add /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/Dialog.png
[07:23] <Riddell> save as Background-1920x1200.jpg in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/
[07:24] <jpatrick> raphink: you around?
[07:26] <Lure> Riddell: my background is OK (I mean wallpaper)
[07:26] <Lure> issue is login Splash (new stuff)
[07:26] <Riddell> Lure: yes, I need your help to make a suitable splash background image
[07:26] <Riddell> for your resolution
[07:27] <Lure> But where is source svg for that - you wrote wallpaper source
[07:27] <nlindblad> back in 1859, a British guy brought 24 rabbits to Australia
[07:27] <Lure> (at least this is what I get out of ksvgtopng
[07:27] <nlindblad> today, there are over 300,000,000 rabbits in Australia
[07:27] <jpatrick> no suprise
[07:28] <jpatrick> nlindblad: what's "KDM Theme Manager" in Swedish?
[07:28] <nlindblad> hang on
[07:29] <nlindblad> "Inloggningshanterare" is the only entry I find for it in the menus
[07:29] <nlindblad> but a good translation would probably be "Temahanterare fr KDM"
[07:30] <jpatrick> Spanish is es, what's Swedish then?
[07:30] <jpatrick> sv?
[07:30] <robotgeek> nl?
[07:30] <nlindblad> sv
[07:30] <kmon> jpatrick: there's a bug with the KDM theme applet I've just noticed. I doesn't detect themes already installed in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/
[07:30] <robotgeek> sorry, bad guess
[07:31] <jpatrick> kmon: you have to add them yourself
[07:31] <nlindblad> sv_SE for full localization, since there's also sv_FI (Swedish spoken in Suomi/Finland)
[07:31] <kmon> jpatrick: so it's a feature not a bug? :P
[07:33] <Lure> jpatrick: do you know where is svg file for new splash (as mentioned by Riddell)
[07:34] <jpatrick>  /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/ (as he mentioned)
[07:34] <Riddell> /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz
[07:37] <Lure> Riddell: yes, but I get wallpaper without Splash dialog in it
[07:38] <Lure> (not like others in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/ubuntu
[07:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/568884
[07:40] <Riddell> woo!  coming live from VMWare!
[07:42] <Riddell> jpatrick: looks good
[07:43] <nlindblad> Apple makes it sound like Safari is OSS and is available for most *NIX platforms
[07:44] <Riddell> webcore is
[07:45] <Lure> Riddell, jpatrick: OK, I get it now (read Readme) - sorry fo confusion
[07:45] <Lure> but there is already appropriate 1920x1200 background
[07:45] <Lure> just does not seem to get used
[07:46] <nlindblad> Riddell: yeah, is it true they've done some oriented coding with the KDE project?
[07:46] <Riddell> more like disorientated
[07:46] <nlindblad> I see
[07:47] <nlindblad> in the end, both the company and the project would benefit from it
[07:53] <Riddell> supper eh?  with anyone?
[07:58] <kmon> kerry looks good
[07:58] <kmon> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1820
[07:59] <hunger> No need to pull in mono into kde.
[08:00] <hunger> And the kde4 has search stuff build in anyway.
[08:00] <kmon> yep
[08:00] <kmon> tenor
[08:00] <kmon> but until kde4 is ready, it would be nice to include a desktop search utility
[08:00] <kmon> like kat
[08:01] <hunger> kmon: Unfortunately kat does not work in ubuntu:-(
[08:01] <hunger> sqlite is incompatible.
[08:02] <kmon> I remember reading kat developer uses kubuntu...
[08:02] <hunger> kat needs heavy modification to work properly... and kat 0.7 will have all that:-)
[08:02] <kmon> so that myght help in feature releases
[08:02] <hunger> So nobody seems to be interessted into fixing the current releases.
[08:06] <Riddell> hunger: why doesn't kat work in ubuntu?
[08:08] <jpatrick> Riddell: er, no
[08:08] <Riddell> oh well
[08:11] <allee> Lure: great!  This makes my day :)
[08:12] <Lure> allee: only GTK app (Firefox) has slighty large fonts, but I need to check if it is my theme
[08:13] <nlindblad> Riddell: so you're going to LRL
[08:13] <nlindblad> staying at the official hotel?
[08:13] <Riddell> nlindblad: yes, no idea
[08:13] <nlindblad> okey
[08:13] <Lure> only menu/toolbar fonts are large
[08:17] <jpatrick> hmm "dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - kdmtheme and kcontrol-kdmtheme"
[08:49] <kmon> bye
[08:56] <Lure> allee: update my laptop testing page - any idea about GTK font issue?
[08:58] <allee> Lure: No. Have not tried yet.  I'm still busy at work :(
[09:00] <Lure> allee: thanks and good work ;-)
[09:12] <jpatrick> okay, this thing is just not patching
[09:14] <jpatrick> arg, it did
[09:15] <Lure> jpatrick: who is setting BaseResolution on Theme.rc
[09:20] <jpatrick> I think Tonio_ is
[09:21] <Lure> kubuntu-default-settings?
[09:22] <jpatrick> yes
[09:26] <jpatrick> hmm, what to choose: Fix Commited/Released ?
[09:35] <Riddell> Released
[09:35] <jpatrick> oh good I chose that one
[09:35] <jpatrick> commited sounded like svn
[09:43] <Riddell> yes, that seems to be the consensus
[10:08] <jpatrick> wow my packages are going in faster now: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006823.html
[10:16] <jpatrick> re robotgeek 
[10:16] <robotgeek> hey jpatrick 
[10:38] <jpatrick> hey apokryphos 
[10:38] <jpatrick> and allee 
[10:39] <allee> hi jpatrick 
[10:45] <robotgeek> hey apokryphos , long time
[10:45] <apokryphos> robotgeek: hello and congrats =)
[10:46] <robotgeek> thanks apokryphos 
[10:46] <apokryphos> much deserved, IMO 8)
[10:46] <apokryphos> how's your work with easyubuntu going?
[10:47] <robotgeek> apokryphos: coming along slowly, i need to finish off DesktopGuide work first
[10:47] <apokryphos> robotgeek: oh, what is that?
[10:48] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/KubuntuDesktopGuide
[10:49] <apokryphos> oh, doccing, I see. Looks like it'll be very helpful :)
[10:50] <apokryphos> (definitely something that's needed)
[10:50] <apokryphos> robotgeek: any idea how kubu documentation in general is coming along?
[10:50] <jpatrick> night everyone
[10:50] <apokryphos> 'night jpatrick :)
[10:50] <robotgeek> night jpatrick 
[10:51] <robotgeek> apokryphos: not much documentation, as such. kde documentation is good, but kubuntu as such is less
[10:52] <apokryphos> yeah
[10:53] <apokryphos> KDE docs haven't received as much attention at all the last few months unfortunately; luckily a substantial amount of stuff was done in the months before that, so it's generally not that big a problem.
[10:53] <apokryphos> and docs are really needed to go through kubuntuisms
[10:53] <robotgeek> apokryphos: quick guide does some intro too
[10:53] <apokryphos> yup; the one for breezy was decent.
[10:54] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/quickguide-web/C/index.html is for dapper
[10:56] <apokryphos> "!," has to be an.. interesting use of punctuation :P
[10:57] <robotgeek> :)
[10:57] <allee> New default on login seem to be 'Dejavu San 9' in kcontrolcenter.  But when I press [Default]  it change to Sans Serif and Monospace in 10  ???
[10:58] <allee> [reset]  return to dajavu sans.  Strange!  Tested/verified on 2 laptops
[10:58] <Lure> allee: true - same in System settings
[10:59] <apokryphos> robotgeek: when's the doc freeze? I could try to make a patch with any suggestions, I guess.
[10:59] <allee> Maybe default is whatever is hardcoded in source and first display is what in config files?
[10:59] <Lure> allee: BTW, Firefox font problem got resolved
[10:59] <apokryphos> robotgeek: looks very good on the whole (skimmed through a bit)
[10:59] <allee> Lure: ah, good this was next on my list ;)
[11:00] <robotgeek> apokryphos: doc freeze is march 23, about one month to go
[11:00] <Lure> I had to switch to specific font for GTK aps, and then back to "Use KDE dedaults"
[11:00] <Lure> "Use my KDE fonts in GTK applications"
[11:00] <allee> Lure: seem to Firefox fonts are now (still) to large.
[11:01] <allee> Lure: is there a fix so it fonts are adapted automaticly after an upgrade?
[11:01] <robotgeek> apokryphos: sadly, the Kubuntu Desktop Guide isn't previewable yet. hopefully by this weekend, it should be up for review
[11:01] <Lure> allee: in my case the are same size as in KDE, only a bit more thin
[11:01] <Lure> I am talking about menu/status bar fonts for example
[11:01] <apokryphos> robotgeek: ok, I'll try to get a patch in before that
[11:02] <Riddell> robotgeek: do you have access to SVN yet?
[11:02] <robotgeek> apokryphos: for the Desktop Guide?
[11:02] <Lure> allee: I think we would need to talk with Tonio_
[11:02] <robotgeek> Riddell: no, not yet
[11:02] <allee> Lure: Tonio told me he has currently only internet access from work.  So I doubt we'll see him tonight :(
[11:02] <apokryphos> robotgeek: for the Quick Guide I thought, but I could look through the Desktop Guide too if you wouldn't mind me looking over it.
[11:03] <robotgeek> Riddell: i heard mdke was planning something, but i havent spoken to him after membership
[11:03] <robotgeek> apokryphos: sure, all help is welcome :)
[11:05] <apokryphos> cool, just LMK
[11:05] <robotgeek> apokryphos: all code is in svn, let me know if you need help with that
[11:06] <apokryphos> alrighty
[11:06] <allee> Lure: in the login progress dialog the first two text lines are unreadable (either fonts to small or turn of antialias).  Same for you?
[11:07] <Lure> allee: OK on mine, but I get 1280x800 wallpaper (resized) instead of 1920x1200
[11:08] <Lure> 1280x1024 actually
[11:08] <Lure> therefore dialog is big enough for the fonts ;-)
[11:08] <allee> Lure: I mean during login there this 'initialing devices' 'setup desktop' ...  the lines above 'welcome your name' and the next one are almost unreadable here
[11:09] <Lure> did not notice...
[11:10] <Lure> I did run Test and there is no text above Welcome...
[11:10] <Lure> (just icons that are resized (ugly) in my case)
[11:12] <allee> Lure: not text?  4 lines: 1st has the icons column, 2nd is welcome your name, 3rd something-can-remember, 4th the corresponding test to the last highlighted icons in 1st row.   2nd and 3rd are unreadable small here
[11:13] <allee> Lure: icons are fine (but that on 100 dpi)
[11:14] <Lure> exaclty: 2/3 are small, but I would not say unreadable (I have good eyes) ;-)
[11:14] <Lure> 147 DPi here, but resized dialog (so I am not sure how real thing would look like)
[11:14] <Lure> (I will try to hack config file now to see)
[11:15] <allee> Lure: yeah, pixmap graphic is still a problem :(
[11:16] <allee> Lure: I've the impression that font in KDMs login window for username or passwd is 11pt (or 12pt?) at least bigger as default in KDE
[11:16] <Lure> allee: don't change it ;-) - this is the first time it looks OK for me
[11:18] <allee> Lure: well I like the 11pt (or 10 pt) in login window more than 9 pts in KDE too.  ;)
[11:19] <Lure> it is not enough to just change resolution in /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Theme.rc
[11:19] <Lure> will have to look harder
[11:20] <Lure> allee: I am joking - if we go down to 8pt I am fine
[11:26] <allee> Lure: uh, really? and you can work hole day, without concentration problems?
[11:30] <allee> Lure: e.g, so up prefer the size the wiki uses.  I prefer what one get after a ctrl '+'
[11:33] <Lure> This is my working notebook and I also IRC for couple of hours at home on it - I am fine
[11:33] <Lure> allee: Konq or Firefox
[11:34] <Lure> in my case Konq has large fonts, while Firefox is smaller now
[11:34] <allee> Lure: Konq!   (I only use firefox is konq fails as a fallback)
[11:34] <allee> s/is/if/
[11:35] <Lure> allee: I am primarily on Firefox (can get used to Konq) and like smaller fonts
[11:36] <Lure> allee: are you on your high-res (144 DPI) or lower now
[11:36] <allee> smaller fonts is okay, but firefox, argl ;)  Seriously I like the integration and quick startup of konq and koffice and as long as the do what I need I use them
[11:36] <Lure> I can understand need for larger font on lower DPI (<140), bug high-res is so crisp
[11:36] <Lure> like paper
[11:36] <allee> Lure: my laptop is 124 (xft.dpi=120)
[11:37] <allee> Maybe I have to install dapper the my 144 dpi (but it's so slow) 
[11:38] <Lure> allee: is next CD release Flight5 or Beta - I plan to move then
[11:39] <allee> No idea. Almost no problems since flight1 here, so I consider it already safe
[11:42] <Hobbsee> allee: yet the people who installed off flight 4 say anything but that.  weird.
[11:43] <allee> Hobbsee: details?
[11:44] <seth> Riddell, this "squares" theme for Konversation is disgusting
[11:44] <seth> it's impossible to tell anything apart
[11:44] <seth> bad default imo :/
[11:44] <Hobbsee> allee: dist-upgrades that crashed in the middle, *continues to try to remember*
[11:44] <Riddell> the default theme is meaningless though, impossibe to tell which icon means what
[11:45] <Riddell> seth: any suggestions for a better theme?
[11:45] <Lure> seth: I think this is better then previous default
[11:45] <seth> Riddell, the default Konvi theme seems pretty reasonable to me, but maybe others don't agree, as evidenced by Lure. Perhaps we could make a Kubuntu theme
[11:45] <Hobbsee> allee: res messing up, one was
[11:46] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, I use aptitude and it worked.    Well I had to logout/in after some updates to fix strangeness, but if it's only that I consider it stable enough
[11:46] <Hobbsee> true
[11:46] <Hobbsee> [09:45]  <Snake__> Hobbsee: well my res was messed up
[11:46] <Hobbsee> [09:45]  *** robotgeek_work is now known as robotgeek.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> [09:45]  <Snake__> it was like.... 600x3000 rofl
[11:46] <Hobbsee> so i dunno - but people dont seem too happy about it - maybe that's more the gnome end though
[11:46] <allee> mhmm, I would not suggest dapper to a newbie but if someone has a bit of glue what going on dapper is save ;)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[11:47] <Hobbsee> didnt help that i put in the wrong essid, but even so!
[11:47] <seth> speaking of resolutions, is the Display applet non-functional for anyone else?
[11:47] <seth> Mine won't load after the last updated version
[11:48] <Lure> seth: same here - since Flight 4 I think
[11:48] <allee> Hobbsee: you can glare at something that is wireless?  Impressive!
[11:48] <Hobbsee> sure!  my wireless card!
[11:48] <allee> :)
[11:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:49] <allee> seth: what the display applet?
[11:49] <Lure> allee: System settings -> Display
[11:49] <seth> allee, it does not load. I click it and get "The module Display could not be loaded."
[11:49] <allee> trying ...
[11:51] <robotgeek> does anyone know if adept will launch if the notifier is running?
[11:51] <allee> seth: look in .xsession-error there's a python backtrace
[11:51] <robotgeek> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9221 adept doesn't launch/come to foreground
[11:52] <Lure> robotgeek: it does on mine system (slow)
[11:52] <allee> _Sime: in in create_displayconfig: IndexError: list index out of range
[11:53] <robotgeek> Lure: hmm, it shows that its running, but doesn't come to foreground
[11:53] <Lure> robotgeek: tried again - it works here!
[11:53] <seth> allee, http://seth.pastebin.com/569303
[11:53] <Lure> both Adept and Adept Updater
[11:54] <robotgeek> Lure: hmm, i will try again. 
[11:54] <allee> seth: yeah, same here too.  You mean it's adept not displayconfig?
[11:54] <Lure> BTW, anybody noticed some (I think guidance) script errors on boot due to read-only FS
[11:55] <Lure> I think some hw-probe script is run before root is remounted rw
[11:55] <allee> Hobbsee_away: ah, I don't use adept, maybe that's the reason my I have a good stability impression of dapper ;)
[11:55] <Lure> (I have only seen this once today as regular ext3 check was started and text)
[11:56] <allee> Lure: no  only when kernel load, some strange PNP msg (10 times the same line or so)
[11:56] <Lure> allee: ;-) me to - but I am looking forward for new update (nice screenshots)
[11:56] <seth> allee, adept? Displayconfig is what is having problems
[11:56] <Lure> allee: yes, this is after todays kernel update (before I had only three PCI messages)
[11:56] <allee> seth: sorry '[23:53]  <Lure> both Adept and Adept Updater' confused me
[11:56] <seth> allee, ah ^_^
[11:57] <allee> :)
[11:57] <allee> Lets ping _Sime :)
[11:58] <robotgeek> Lure: sudo adept works (i know that it is bad to do it, but ...)
[11:59] <Lure> robotgeek: strange - here it works from menu...
[11:59] <robotgeek> Lure: it worked once, but is not working from then
[12:00] <Lure> _Sime: I think this is too early in boot: /etc/rcS.d/S18displayconfig-hwprobe.py
[12:01] <Riddell> Lure: it's now 37 for new installers
[12:01] <Lure> I have seen failure due to not be able to open some log file for writing
[12:01] <allee> heh, when I want to configure konqueror or konversation I always open 'Windows' because I automaticly choose the one left to 'help' where is most cases 'setting' are.  Am I the only one?
[12:01] <Lure> Riddell: good - what does it mean "new installers" - new milestone CDs?
[12:02] <Lure> I will change mine
[12:02] <Riddell> people who don't already have it installed
[12:03] <Lure> Riddell: what is next milestone CD: Flight 5 or Beta?