[12:07] hey Hobbsee_away [12:07] hey robotgeek :) [12:07] Hobbsee_away: i never got to see your first name [12:07] Hobbsee_away: you are "Hobbsee" to me [12:07] Hobbsee_away: did you party? :) [12:07] a purple nick in #kubuntu-devel [12:07] :-) [12:07] magenta [12:08] or how is the colour called [12:08] possibly, i'll forget in few days again anyway :) [12:09] like i forgot that navindra is a guy few times (i was always thinking navindra is a female name... weird) === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:11] --> night [12:11] gn [12:11] later mornfall [12:13] moving sucks, it will take 2 more hours before the iso is downloaded, [12:14] mornfall: hehe - my terminal shows sarah@sarah: - so a lot of people figured it out that way [12:14] robotgeek: no, i went to work, and got rear-ended on my way there, or maybe the car behind me did [12:15] Hobbsee_away: i was just sitting at home, unpacking [12:15] :) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-27-21.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] Hobbsee_away: ping? [01:08] Hobbsee_away: why do you suggest in WPAhowto to first purge wpasupplicant? [01:11] allee: pong [01:12] ping pog [01:12] i didnt, that was already part of the guide [01:12] Hobbsee: care to remove it ;) [01:13] actually, seveas went and reverted all my changes to it - all i did was combine two of the wiki docs on wpa into one [01:13] I saw you applied for membership. Can I gratulate? [01:13] so i'm not sure really sure what to do with it now, and would hate to step on someone's toes again [01:13] allee: thanks :) i got it, too :) [01:14] okay, great. Congrats! [01:14] did he give any reason for the revert? [01:15] [Wed Feb 22 2006] [11:36:28] I just reverted the WPAHowto page - the things you added were quite crackful and at some places broken. I'll add the good bits again soon. [01:15] [Wed Feb 22 2006] [11:37:06] oh were they? [01:15] [Wed Feb 22 2006] [11:37:37] yes, at least for breezy === Hobbsee didnt see any broken bits, and tried them on her system first [01:18] mhmm. okay [01:18] heh...yeah [01:18] so i'm most curious to see which bits were broken [01:18] unfortunately i forgot to save the text file of what i'd done - silly me! [01:18] I curious too. Let's check the diff .. [01:20] allee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto if you didnt already have it [01:21] thx I had it. I check the diff. heh, lots of assumptions ;) [01:21] hehe [01:21] well, it's true - if your network wont work without encryption, it wont work with! [01:21] Hobbsee: got you ;) sudo dpkg --purge wpasupplicant === Hobbsee did a copy paste of the information and collaborated it - i didnt write it! [01:22] but yeah [01:22] starting with a new config seems to be the idea [01:23] 'k it's no big deal. I was just wondering about the why. [01:26] mhm, at least in dapper wpasupplicant is started behind the scene no need for post-/pre- stuff [01:27] and the longish sudo dhclient ... is better done with iface wlan0 inet dhcp and a ifup wlan0 [01:30] Hobbsee: I hope that (k)netswitch will make WPAhowto much simpler ;) Now looking into these new beasts .. [01:31] allee: i hope so too - i'm finding very little of decent wireless stuff in kubuntu [01:31] because kwifimanager seems to lie [01:32] Hobbsee: yeah, network mgnt as is for laptop needs lots of love to be useful [01:33] heh, yeah, tell me about it [01:33] the closest think i've seen to "neat" is the script on WifiHowto, lol === Hobbsee has yet to make that work properly [01:33] mind you, i'm kinda new to wireless [01:33] Hobbsee: nowadays, i just edit the essid in the script i'm running, lol [01:33] Hobbsee: have you WEP working with wpasupplicant too? [01:33] might be a good idea [01:34] allee: havent tried - dad decided to go straight from unencrypted to wpa [01:34] and it's not worth trying to change it permanently, unless you want hobbsee to be deaded hobbsee lol === Hobbsee remembers the lots of yelling she got for when she left it temporarily unencrypted till dad came home - sheesh! [01:35] 1:39 to complete download, *tsk* [01:35] good choice. I need both and as is I have only WEP or only WPA working. Switch need minimal editing :( [01:35] ah ok [01:36] but why would you need both together, isn't that a bit of an overkill? [01:36] robotgeek: laptop tend to move location. And I'm not everywhere the owner of the AP [01:37] allee: yes, but do they actually have both together === allee reminds himself that the (k)vpnc stuff need work too === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:37] robotgeek: no [01:37] i'm trying to find out, cause i would be in deep trouble. i dunno what WPA is, lol === Hobbsee couldnt make WPA work perfectly with hte old WPA page anyway - i'd try to cancel, and it'd stop working [01:39] Hobbsee: as mentioned earlier every wifi driver needs special treatment. WPA works with modprobe/rmmod (or maybe hwencypt=0) for ipw2200 (in dapper) [01:39] true [01:40] lets cross finger that the kernel dev finaly agree on a common wifi stack so we get much less driver depended bugs [01:44] mmmm...nasty [01:44] yeah, that'd be nice! === Hobbsee wonders why her system is constantly beeping [01:45] ah, got rid of it. silly kwifimanager [01:46] Hobbsee: congradulate your membership [01:48] freeflying: thankyou :) [02:23] mhmm [02:48] Anyone tried knetswitch? here I get a crash after I entered my pw === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.19] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubijtsa_ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:07] andred: seems like your server is having issues. Have we hammered your bandwidth a bit much? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huahua [n=hua@221.172.51.27] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:10] hi all [10:15] hi Tonio_ === lianghu [n=lianghu@60.166.97.134] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:36] hey Tonio_ [10:37] hi freeflying [10:37] hey Hobbsee_away, freeflying [10:37] lianghu: hi [10:38] I don't find dapper room [10:39] lianghu: dappr is just the name of coming release [10:39] I know [10:39] lianghu: u may attend #ubuntu ,#kubuntu ,#ubuntu-zh [10:39] Ok [10:59] morning lianghu, another of our growing CKJ helpers? === Hobbsee recalls that there was a #ubuntu+1 room for people who were running dapper [11:01] I see Hobbsee got tough with the late night #kubuntu revellers last night :) [11:01] who were these? [11:01] oh, the idiot that was calling someone else a whore? [11:02] lol...yeah... [11:03] i was glad that they didnt continue with their painfulness - i had to go and have dinner! [11:04] and i take it that last night means a couple of hours ago [11:05] Riddell: lianghu is also from chinese , and he is living in the same city with me === lianghu [n=lianghu@60.166.97.134] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:36] Riddell: gloubiboulga fixed the gnetswitch issue :) [11:37] was ust a .mk problem, autotools needed instead of gonome.mk [11:55] looking for review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2004 [12:01] Tonio_: what is cursors/default/index.theme for? [12:06] Riddell: to have the kubuntu human cursor during the kdm theme [12:06] and in appications using X cursor like firefox === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:09] Riddell: it is a well known tip to correct the cursor issue in firefox [12:09] I forgot to add that in the changelog sorry [12:09] nice [12:10] that's the reason it took me long to do that, cause I first had to search for little issues;) [12:11] is that the darned cursor in firefox not inheriting the general kubuntu theme? [12:20] what is ra0,ra1 for network interfaces? === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lianghu [n=lianghu@60.166.100.222] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:54] Hobbsee: it's firefox -- it has to be special [12:55] mornfall: hehe no it doesnt! i've enjoyed *not* having to constantly make that change! [12:57] mind you, have to make xorg changes instead, but oh well hehe [01:04] mmm I like to submit bugs for adept, but kde.bugs.org doesnt want help me today [01:04] hmm [01:05] bugs.kde.org too :) [01:05] ah yes :-) [01:05] no serious it doesnt want to continue [01:05] ah [01:05] it does now === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-113-76.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:12] mornfall: thats bug #1 [01:12] actually the only real bug [01:12] I also have a wishlist item [01:14] jeroenvrp: for the bug, i may need more details... probably the output from konsole [01:14] jeroenvrp: you also should run sudo dpkg --configure -a because your system is probably now broken :-) [01:14] mornfall: you mean the konsole inside adept? [01:15] yes [01:15] ok, because gdb doesnt give much output [01:15] it's not gdb output really [01:15] :) [01:15] mornfall: yes I know, it needs to crash for that [01:15] so I can do a backtrace [01:16] oh wait maybe I can still to that [01:16] you can do backtrace any time (just hit ctrl+c and write bt), but that's not very usefull [01:16] in this context [01:16] Riddell, how do i add actions to kde again ? [01:16] (gdb) bt [01:16] No stack. === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:16] :-( [01:16] right click one file type stuff [01:16] it won't help anyway [01:16] well [01:16] you can do break __cxa_throw [01:16] but gdb is sort of broken [01:16] nowadays [01:16] Breakpoint 1 at 0x37b82a19 [01:16] at least i can't seem to run a forking+threading app like adept in it [01:17] jeroenvrp: and then run it, to see where the exception comes from (doing bt when getting to the breakpoint) [01:17] mornfall: do you need the wishlist item here at bugs.kde.org? [01:17] jeroenvrp: depends on how much you want it implemented -- if you just tell me, chances are i forget [01:17] its a very small one [01:17] so it seems [01:17] b.k.o is more reliable :) [01:18] ok I do that [01:19] mornfall: sudo dpkg --configure -a : is doing indeed a few packages, strange normally those unconfigured packages are seen in synaptic [01:20] the first one was indeed samba-common [01:20] lets add rthat [01:20] probably a bug in packages (file conflict or such) [01:21] mornfall: it happens all the time, but I will give you next time info from konsole [01:23] well, if it happens once it'll happen always unless the problem is resolved somehow [01:23] because it'll always die with same package === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:24] viviersf: add them where? [01:24] viviersf: konq service menus /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/ [01:26] mornfall: I see the wish has allready been submitted and closed wit a won't fix :-( Anyhow I still added a comment to it: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116925 [01:27] yeah, i'm mean [01:28] it seems lik eit :-) [01:28] but adding options for this kind of thing really does not make sense -- fix the system instead of adding configure options to work around it in various ways :) [01:30] mornfall: the "configure" question is more like a comprimise [01:31] but thats my opinion [01:32] well, even if i made it configurable -- what would we win? [01:32] default would still be same === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] Riddell, ya i figured it out thx === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huahua [n=hua@222.50.183.238] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:04] re === lianghu [n=lianghu@60.166.96.243] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] Riddell: ping ? [02:26] Tonio_: h [02:26] hi [02:27] Riddell: I forgot to mention a few things in k-d-s [02:28] for example, addition of the printing submenu in K menu [02:28] don't know if you'll agree, but that makes it pretty easy to find, and ressembles to osx and windows one.... [02:29] I just migrated to dapper, and 96dpi + fints in 9 is pretty neat :) [02:29] yuck, duplicates systemsettings [02:29] s/fints/fonts [02:29] Riddell: hum, that's true indeed [02:29] so you should remove that maybe :) [02:30] about systemsettings, you told me about another pot file to translate .desktop files [02:30] can I find it on svn ? [02:30] I will translate it also :) [02:30] I'm tempted to set the font size to 10, that's the KDE and Gnome default [02:31] hum [02:31] it is very big with kde.... [02:31] I tested, but kde generally has more text in windows than gnome [02:31] and the main resolution used today is still 1024*768 [02:32] Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base.pot [02:32] most OS and linux distros have 8 or 9 equivalent by default [02:32] and I must say the default gnome or kde is really ugly generally so.... ;) [02:33] let me take 2 screenshots with 10 and 9 to compare [02:37] Riddell: well with dpi set the difference isn't really big... 9 and 10 are about the same, although 9 is a bit cleaner to my eyes... [02:38] Riddell: you decide :) === Tonio_ is impressed with adept's improvements ;) [02:48] mornfall: wow ! [02:48] hmm? :) [02:49] mornfall: about adept installer, are you okay with the icon I did, or would you like something different ? [02:49] i'm okey... *adds the icon to todo, so it gets included* [02:50] cool === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62775.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] afternoon Tonio_ [03:46] jpatrick: hi [03:47] hi freeflying [03:47] jpatrick: I'm looking for review , :) [03:48] freeflying: I'm not busy :) /me goes to revu === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:49] jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2011 [03:50] oh nice, a game [03:52] jpatrick: yeah , [03:53] I think it's prefered to use '/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL' instead of '/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2' [03:54] and seperate the Copyright and the license with "License:" [03:54] jpatrick: this program use gpl-2 license === lianghu [n=lianghu@60.166.96.243] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] I know but that's how it is [03:59] jpatrick: afternoon ;) [04:00] freeflying: some files use the GNU Library General Public License exp. gettext.h [04:01] jpatrick: ok, I correct it , Another question , if I wanna upload to mentor.debian.net ,then shall I rename the package in changelog? [04:03] not sure... [04:04] jpatrick: besides above , any others shall be correctted ? [04:04] Riddell: my systemapplet patch technically works, but needs improvement [04:05] I think it'll be okay for this WE [04:05] freeflying: looks good apart from those [04:07] jpatrick: I'm reuploading now ,plz check it again , and anohter package named eva also , thx [04:08] freeflying: I left a comment on eva [04:09] jpatrick: also i've reuploaded it === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F653C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.120.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:12] freeflying: not sure why but it's still a massive *.diff [04:23] jpatrick: why some Makefile and configure are in diff [04:23] did you change the src before packaging? [04:25] jpatrick: never [04:25] :/ === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Get] [04:36] Riddell: Will you be at the pre-FOSDEM meeting tomorrow night? [04:36] hunger: yes, in Grand Place [04:36] Riddell: I'll look out for you then. I owe you some drinks. [04:37] :) === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:05] Riddell: there are a few other things I may add to k-d-s in the next days, like kate's session management and a few other things [05:06] by the way, what did you do with the konversation tabs? [05:06] aKa: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [05:06] jpatrick: well I finally rediscussed with many persons, as you know, and they were finally okay to add them on top [05:06] because other apps have tabs there already [05:06] so I added them on top [05:07] i thought we agreed on keeping them at the buttom [05:08] hu ? [05:08] not what I remember ;) [05:08] at the Kubuntu meeting (first one) [05:08] jpatrick: yes, but I couldn't explain the reason cause I wasn't here [05:09] so next day I rediscussed with Tm_T, hunger, freeflying and a few more [05:09] and to what I remember the conclusion was that if we wanted a logical desktop, tabs should be on top or bottom for all apps.... === JRe_ [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] thus, because konsole, kopete, konq, Firefox have them on top......... [05:10] if that causes a problem, it'll be changed before dapper is out, of course [05:10] ok [05:11] Tonio_: yeah, I'm not sure what to do with kate's sessions [05:11] turning them off might be nice :) [05:11] Riddell: I'll make tests first ;) [05:11] I would like to keep 3.4.2 wayto work [05:12] if we stop sessions, any opened file opens a new kate [05:12] at the moment if you click on a .txt link in konqueror it opens up kate with the default session in a new window, which is horrible [05:12] best is to open all files in kate, but without session saving no ? [05:12] first file -> blank kate session [05:12] second file in the same window etc........ [05:13] yes, that's how I'd like i [05:13] it [05:13] I loved that way to work [05:13] opening in a new window is OK too, just so long as that new window doesn't also include all the files from the default session [05:13] I'll search that, plus try to configure another few things [05:13] Riddell: agree [05:14] that will be the next step, k-d-s isn't finished.... so much to do :) [05:15] I need to provide a gtk-qt-engine config file [05:15] by default, you have to go in gtk_qt with systemsettings, and validate the settings for it to work [05:16] Riddell: that should be changed, I think [05:16] I have 2 or 3 things like that that are not in k-d-s actually [05:17] ehm! [05:17] after the freeze, work on the desktop config will be my priority :) [05:17] Tm_T: ? [05:17] Tonio_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-16.html @ 09:31 [05:18] jpatrick: ok [05:18] Tonio_: I think I said tabs should be where input line is (focus is there) [05:18] jpatrick: I have the meeting log [05:18] Tm_T: I didn't say everyone said that, need to read the logs [05:18] hehe [05:18] Tm_T: I just pointed that out [05:18] yup [05:19] I just remember that the final point was that it was nice and important that all application should have the tab at the same place by default no ? [05:19] jpatrick: I'm not talking about the meeting, I know what has been said there ;) [05:19] but my feeling is that there is no logicall reason that konsole and konversation have the tabs in a different place [05:20] yes, in logical place, but I don't find it logical to have tabs on top when input line is in bottom [05:20] so if we put tabs at the bottom for konversation, it should be the same for kopete and konsole, at least [05:20] Tonio_: yes [05:20] that's EXACTLY what I think [05:20] I don't have any problems with this, Ijust want the desktop tobe coherent [05:20] Riddell: any opinion on this ? [05:21] my opinion is that both are correct [05:21] Tm_T: as I say, k-d-s isn't finished at all, lots of things will changed before release [05:26] Tonio_: yup, and do as you find right, I can always change my settings easily ;) [05:26] Tm_T: best is to rediscuss this during the next meeting, but discuss it globally, for konversation, kopete and konsole I think [05:26] Tm_T: note that I personnaly use them at the bottom :) === jpatrick too [05:27] hehe [05:27] but what I know is that default settings are for the new users [05:27] migrating from windows [05:28] and by default they have ALL used mirc [05:28] we are not microsoft [05:28] or trillian [05:28] no [05:28] Tonio_: you can't assume that [05:28] and those softwares have tabs on the top [05:28] Tm_T: hum......... that's my feeling, I may be wrong, that's true [05:28] Tonio_: I used ~5 years irssi in Windows(tm) [05:28] but maybe I'm minority ;( [05:28] Tm_T: what is the percentage of irssi users compared to mirc ? [05:29] certainly ridiculous [05:29] Tonio_: over half of my irc contacts use irssi [05:29] quakenet is exception [05:29] teen-hell [05:29] mirc is certainly about 90% of irc clients installed on windows... note that I wasn't using it too [05:29] heh [05:29] Tm_T: are your contacts average users, or geeks like us ? [05:29] ;) [05:30] Tonio_: mostly they doesn't even know what "distro" means [05:30] I'm not saying that we have to clone windows with kde, not at all [05:30] yup [05:30] I'm just searching to provide what people generally are expecting [05:30] of course that can be very subjective sometimes [05:30] I think we should find "best" way and hope that new users find it "best" too [05:31] a different eXperience ;-) [05:31] jpatrick: different, but not too much :) [05:32] people completly lost on a new system will generally reject it, even if that can sound stupid [05:32] or maybe we should SHOCK all new users ;) [05:32] http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_118.png [05:32] meh meh [05:32] Tm_T: well, I'm not sure that the best way to make kubuntu popular [05:32] Tm_T: ROFL [05:32] Riddell: Hi! kdesu seems to be at it again... At least it refuses to work here in Flight 4. [05:33] Hey, got a new moodin today. [05:33] Tm_T: beos fan ? [05:33] Looks nice. [05:33] hunger: Riddell uploaded today :D [05:33] Tonio_: yes and no, just testing different approaches [05:33] But what is moodinKDE I got installed yesterday? [05:33] Tonio_: atm I love this <3 [05:34] hunger: the default moodin splash [05:34] Tm_T: I started informatics with beos ;) [05:34] cmvo: what happens? [05:34] I'm looking carefully at haikuos actually, because of that ;) [05:34] Tonio_: heh, I will buy Zeta some day, I afraid ;( [05:35] Why does kubuntu-desktop depend on that when the kubuntu-theme is a different one? [05:35] Riddell: It insists on no recognizing the password. Either user or root. [05:36] Riddell: s/no/not/ [05:36] hunger: what? [05:37] jpatrick: I got ksplash-engine-moodin installed by kubuntu-desktop. but the theme used is kubuntu, not the one provided by that deb. [05:37] Tm_T: heard about haikuos ? [05:37] hunger: patched the config [05:37] hunger: the theme is named kubuntu, but isn't the same than the one previously used [05:38] the kubuntu theme has been replaced normally [05:38] jpatrick: ? So that engine is indeed necessary. [05:38] Tonio_: I noticed that:-) [05:38] and the new one uses moodin [05:38] yes [05:38] so it is logic that kubuntu-desktop depends on moodin [05:38] Tonio_: I was wondering why the ksplash-engine-moodin deb was installed when the theme provided by that (moodinKDE) is not used. [05:39] Tonio_: So that dependency is necessary? Like the new kubuntu theme uses that engine? [05:39] hunger: because the default theme configured by kubuntu-default-settings uses moodin [05:39] and will be the one used out of the box [05:39] hi jpatrick [05:39] Tonio_: Ah, OK:-) [05:40] Tonio_: Thanks for explaining that to me. [05:40] no pb ;) === Tonio_ coffee time [05:40] Riddell: I haven't been able to look into the problem any further as dapper locks up here ever so often. === hunger wonders whether it is really necessary to install 8 ksplash themes by default. [05:41] anyone else had problems with kdesu? it works for me [05:42] Riddell: Didn't notice anything yet. === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:45] Riddell: b [05:45] hi nlindblad [05:45] hunger: 8? [05:47] Riddell: So its only not working for me. I've set a root password, maybe that is the problem. [05:47] Tonio_: sure [05:48] cmvo: that shouldn't make a difference [05:48] cmvo: does sudo work? [05:49] Riddell: Ah, sudoers did not contain an entry for the user account, just root. [05:50] :/ [05:51] Riddell: Didn't get that far between the lockups... Shouldn't the install create this entry in sudoers? I guess only if I didn't enter a password for root. [05:51] hmm [05:52] cmvo: it should put the default user into the admin group, and add admin group to sudoers [05:52] jpatrick: one small issue with moodinKDE splash... seems to be fullscreen [05:52] Tm_T: it is.... [05:52] ...and I like to see what happens in desktop while it's loading [05:53] not a lot [05:53] but, I'll testdrive it next time I'm booting [05:53] then I give more feedback ;) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:55] Riddell: No admin in /etc/group, just lpadmin which the user account is part of. No admin group in sudoers either. [05:56] something funny happened during install then [05:57] Riddell: I used the expert install, entered a root password and created an user account. [05:57] oh, expert install doesn't set up sudo [05:57] Riddell: did knemo joined main finally ? [05:57] so that's the problem [05:57] Tonio_: no, it needs a main inclusion review [05:57] Riddell: k [05:58]