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| Burglaptop | salut Madpilot | 04:29 |
|---|---|---|
| Madpilot | hi Burglaptop | 04:29 |
| Madpilot | Burgwork: the http://gcompris.net/ website does work in Opera, at least here | 04:31 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: hmm | 04:32 |
| Burglaptop | you tested all of it? | 04:32 |
| Madpilot | not all, but I've followed most of the links on the lefthand menu | 04:34 |
| Burglaptop | ok | 04:34 |
| Burglaptop | I will report that | 04:34 |
| Madpilot | this is the latest Opera, 8.52 - I just updated a day or so ago | 04:34 |
| Madpilot | "we will bikeshed all day" - what does "bikeshed" mean in this context, Burglaptop? | 04:38 |
| Burglaptop | talk about useless things and never get anywhere | 04:39 |
| Madpilot | heh, OK. Why "to bikeshed"? | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | gcompris? | 04:40 |
| Burglaptop | http://bikeshed.com/ | 04:41 |
| Madpilot | "Some people have commented that the amount of noise generated by a change is inversely proportional to the complexity of the change." | 04:43 |
| Madpilot | and what an awful, awful background colour! :P | 04:43 |
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| Burglaptop | ok, grumble | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | what's this talk of Guide XML | 04:53 |
| Burglaptop | no idea, more random tangents and bikeshedding | 04:53 |
| Burglaptop | did you see my plea? | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | reading now | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | guide xml doesn't suit us at the moment since we use yelp anyway | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | talk of infrastructure doesn't go anywhere | 04:55 |
| Burglaptop | I also think docbook is suboptimal, but talking about changing right now is foolish | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | i just ignore it lately | 04:59 |
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| Burglaptop | jsgotangco: do you have any thoughts on the whole wiki split thing? | 05:03 |
| jsgotangco | honestly, none at the moment, i was busy with g-a-i, u-m and now with edubuntu | 05:03 |
| Burglaptop | what are you doing with g-a-i and u-m? | 05:06 |
| jsgotangco | just a some string updates and the doco | 05:07 |
| Burglaptop | \ah | 05:12 |
| Burglaptop | cool, usplash down just landed | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | tuxmath crack me up jeez | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | wonder why tuxtype is only fullscreen | 05:25 |
| Burglaptop | gcompris only does 800x600 | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | Burglaptop: i sometimes wonder how fixated people are with regards to tagging their work as official/unofficial | 05:30 |
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| Burglaptop | I understand some of it | 05:32 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: it's either "it's better to be official" or "It's cooler to be unofficial", it seems like... | 05:33 |
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| robotgeek | jsgotangco: ping, cheap one liner again | 07:12 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 07:12 |
| Burglaptop | as long it isn't one nighter... | 07:13 |
| robotgeek | i was worried about why my document was not validating, lol | 07:13 |
| robotgeek | i know a bit more about docbook, lol | 07:13 |
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| Burglaptop | interesting little bit I read a while back | 07:18 |
| Burglaptop | 80% think they understand the tone of what they read, while actually only 50% understood the tone | 07:18 |
| robotgeek | i think it was on slashdot | 07:18 |
| Madpilot | ...and on slashdot, it instantly degenerated into the sort of discussion where *nobody* got the tone... :P | 07:19 |
| robotgeek | yeah, if you have made that comment on slashdot, you probably would have been modded +5 funny | 07:20 |
| Burglaptop | wow, the web is so much more pleasant without flash | 07:22 |
| robotgeek | being on linux ppc does have it's advantages :) | 07:23 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: nice link "bikeshed" | 07:24 |
| robotgeek | anyways, back to work. i need to bring DG to a reviewable state, lol | 07:26 |
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| Burglaptop | where are xubuntu-docs being developed? | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | Burglaptop: no clue. Are there xubuntu docs? other than xfce docs | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | none that i know | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | rob spearheaded one but he disappeared | 07:54 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, upstream | 08:44 |
| mdke | i heard that a few people were interested in doing some for ubuntu, but never heard anything concrete | 08:44 |
| mdke | bloody hell @ mailing list | 08:52 |
| jsgotangco | what about? | 08:54 |
| mdke | the changes to infrastructure etc | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | there is a strange fixation to such | 08:55 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke: i've already commited the last batch of updates for g-a-i it's already merged in the bzr of mvo, i'll clean up that part after freeze | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | u-m on its way | 08:58 |
| Madpilot | u-m? | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | update manager | 08:58 |
| Madpilot | ah | 08:58 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, oh cool, nice work | 08:59 |
| mdke | hiya Madpilot | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: as for the png we have on svn, i was thinking of optimizing them using pngcrush or something similar | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | it'll reduce the size by at least 50% | 09:00 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | mdke: which ML was the "bloody hell" about? I'm losing track :( | 09:00 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, for all of them? | 09:02 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, if it works well... sounds good | 09:02 |
| mdke | LaserJock, ours | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | mdke: really? I thought it was pretty tame. I'll have to read some more ;-) | 09:02 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: yeah after distro release i guess or have those working on screenshots optimzize it themselves :) | 09:03 |
| mdke | ok | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: that is a good idea, the repo is pretty large and I think a lot of size is due to images. | 09:05 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:06 |
| jsgotangco | i learned about pngcrush when i saw a bug report on synaptic | 09:07 |
| jsgotangco | regarding the manual | 09:07 |
| mdke | can you just crush all the files in one go? | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't tried it but i'm sure its possible | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | if only it works in dapper now | 09:09 |
| HrdwrBoB | er | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | it seemed to have been broken after a libpng update | 09:10 |
| HrdwrBoB | find -name \*.png -exec pngcrush '{}' \; | 09:10 |
| jsgotangco | there ya go regex love | 09:11 |
| HrdwrBoB | well, not really | 09:12 |
| mdke | -> work | 09:17 |
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| mdke | Madpilot, feel free to mark sections complete as you check them for typos | 10:03 |
| Madpilot | will do - I moved a few status tags just now, but ignored most of them | 10:04 |
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| mdke | and you can do a patch for the whole dg directory, rather than individual files, if you like | 10:05 |
| Madpilot | with the same "svn diff", or does the syntax change when you're diff'ing entire directories? | 10:05 |
| mdke | same | 10:06 |
| Madpilot | thanks - I'll keep that in mind | 10:06 |
| mdke | ok applied | 10:07 |
| mdke | i made one tiny change so svn up | 10:07 |
| Madpilot | will do, but I'm not doing any more editing tonight | 10:07 |
| mdke | cool, thanks for those | 10:07 |
| Madpilot | np | 10:07 |
| === bhuvan expects someone like Madpilot for sg :) | ||
| Madpilot | bhuvan: I can do basic proofreading for serverguide if you like | 10:09 |
| mdke | bhuvan, we'll get there, don't worry | 10:09 |
| mdke | the DG needed some major love tho | 10:09 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot: you provide your love to dg. we'll get your help, if need be in the end | 10:10 |
| Madpilot | OK, I lied, one last diff off to the list | 10:17 |
| mdke | ooh printers | 10:19 |
| mdke | what do you envisage going in that section? specific printer hardware? | 10:19 |
| Madpilot | at a minimum, a pointer to whereever Dapper keeps it's Printer config thing - it's System-Admin-Printers in Breezy | 10:20 |
| Madpilot | links to the wiki's printer stuff, maybe to linuxprinting.org | 10:21 |
| mdke | is this a common task though? | 10:21 |
| Madpilot | printers are more common than handhelds, and we've got a section on handhelds & Ubuntu | 10:22 |
| mdke | i mean, should it be in common-tasks.xml | 10:22 |
| Madpilot | maybe - right now most of the hardware stuff is in config-system.xml, though | 10:23 |
| mdke | sure, so if that is going to be hardware directed, it's definitely in the right place | 10:24 |
| mdke | if it's just a guide to printing, i dunno | 10:24 |
| Madpilot | anyway, I need to get some sleep - email the list about the printer thing, perhaps? | 10:27 |
| mdke | okay! | 10:27 |
| Madpilot | talk to you later | 10:27 |
| mdke | night | 10:27 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke: new documentation wiki??? | 02:53 |
| mdke | sorry? | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | new wiki gets merged with help? | 02:57 |
| mdke | just miss out the word "new" | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | wiki gets to be under help.ubuntu.com? | 02:58 |
| mdke | yes... | 02:59 |
| mdke | we've been talking about that for 6 months or so | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | ah i'm so zoned out of all this infrastructure talk im not having fun anymore | 03:01 |
| mdke | me neither | 03:02 |
| mdke | let's just make some good docs | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | that's what i'm doing | 03:02 |
| mdke | i didn't mean to suggest you weren't :) | 03:04 |
| mdke | i know you are | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 03:04 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | nm killed my network | 04:28 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 04:28 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: Kamion mdke: it's the d-i installation manual | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I looked it up myself | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | it is the documentation for the debian installer | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | so I don't think it is of any use to Ubuntu | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | hmm, guess I was wrong :( | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I think Kamion has a good point. We perhaps should collect some of the Debian docs (at least links) and put them somewhere on help.u.c | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | its basically d-i with some string changes | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | but its no different to the breezy manual | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | the request is reasonable though | 05:37 |
| === jsgotangco is about to reply to the email | ||
| LaserJock | I think we should make a place on doc.ubuntu.com where we just set up catagorized links to the debian docs. | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: so are we going to put this? | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | its pretty trivial imo | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | but horribly out of place in our current setup | 05:38 |
| jsgotangco | doh | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just reply to this email | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: I think he'll be back, he was having connection problems | 05:40 |
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| LaserJock | jsgotangco: I just sent a RE: to your RE: ;-) hope it makes sense | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | heh its 1am nothing makes sense to me now | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | lol | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | well it's only 0900 here so I have no excuse | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | now I feel dumb. :( | 06:12 |
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| theCore | hello LaserJock | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | hi theCore | 07:06 |
| theCore | I'm so lucky, or actually unlucky | 07:06 |
| theCore | I had hard drive failure, this week | 07:07 |
| theCore | I lost many files, but none from PackagingGuide | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | another one? | 07:08 |
| theCore | ya, this one is due to aggressive shutdown technics | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | jeeze, you need to be more careful about your hard drives ;-) | 07:11 |
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| theCore | do you remember my little stupid brother ? (the one spamed #ubuntu and -offtopic). Now, because I lock my screen every time I quit my computer. He decide to shutdown to computer by removing the power cord. | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | ouch | 07:13 |
| theCore | yea | 07:14 |
| theCore | ouch | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | how old is he? | 07:14 |
| theCore | 16, I think | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I would probably thoroughly thrash him. | 07:15 |
| theCore | I did ;) | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | Is he going to pay for a new hard drive? | 07:16 |
| theCore | the hard drive is okay | 07:16 |
| theCore | actually, it's my inode table that is scraped | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | ahh, what FS? | 07:17 |
| theCore | ext2 | 07:17 |
| theCore | ext3 | 07:17 |
| theCore | I'm trying to find a way to repair it manually, right now | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | hmm, seems odd. I've had ok luck with ext3 and power outages etc. | 07:18 |
| theCore | He did that, at least 5 times, this week. I had to left my computer open because I was compiling Seamonkey | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | ohhh, I would have been soooo upset. | 07:20 |
| theCore | I will get over it, at least my personals files haven't been too damaged | 07:21 |
| theCore | I lost one or two trival files | 07:22 |
| theCore | anyways, now I need to find a way to recover my files from my hd | 07:23 |
| theCore | I only got one cdrw, and its already used for the LiveCD, | 07:24 |
| theCore | I going to make a tarball and upload it to my gmail account | 07:26 |
| theCore | viva the 2GB storage | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | how big will the tarball be? | 07:26 |
| theCore | 200 MB | 07:27 |
| theCore | more or least | 07:27 |
| theCore | less* | 07:27 |
| theCore | It suck like backup technic, but at least its get to work done | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | oh, that's not too bad. My ~/ is about 1GB tarballed | 07:28 |
| theCore | mine too | 07:29 |
| theCore | but I stripping, all my "downloadables" | 07:29 |
| theCore | I'm* | 07:29 |
| robotgeek | hey theCore LaserJock | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | hi robotgeek | 07:30 |
| theCore | boujour rebotgeek | 07:30 |
| robotgeek | salut theCore | 07:31 |
| theCore | robotgeek, oh | 07:31 |
| robotgeek | theCore: i don't know french, but picked this up :) | 07:31 |
| theCore | yea, I thought so | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I've picked up a little French and German from those crazy MOTUs :-) | 07:33 |
| theCore | lol | 07:33 |
| robotgeek | :) | 07:34 |
| robotgeek | damn, i really need to put this box out of it's "windows" misery. problem is, it's not my box :) | 07:34 |
| theCore | Cette phrase n'est pas faite pour tre comprise. :) | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | lol, I had to use babelfish on it ;-) | 07:35 |
| robotgeek | theCore: google translate of this sucks :) | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: babelfish.altavista.com is what I usually use. | 07:36 |
| theCore | I expected that | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: what did you get? | 07:36 |
| robotgeek | This sentence is not made to be included/understood :) | 07:37 |
| robotgeek | it's probably "meant" | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | same as babelfish | 07:37 |
| theCore | ( This sentence isn't meant to be understood ) | 07:37 |
| theCore | I need a latin translator | 07:38 |
| robotgeek | theCore: that ways you could have "security by obsucrity" :) | 07:39 |
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| robotgeek | learned ones, ping :) | 10:18 |
| Burgwork | robotgeek, hmm? | 10:18 |
| robotgeek | Burgwork: hmm, i was wondering what is better a) adept guide as a separate chapter in KDG b) or just link to it | 10:20 |
| robotgeek | with a) it would resemble the structure of Ubuntu DG | 10:21 |
| Burgwork | adept should be in a section called "Installation", not "Adept" | 10:22 |
| Burgwork | along with discussions of apt-get, etc. | 10:22 |
| robotgeek | true | 10:23 |
| robotgeek | i'll just put it in there for now, and talk with jjesse later | 10:24 |
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