=== poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-27-21.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-132-66.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-145-137.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-158-48.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-152-176.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:29] salut Madpilot [04:29] hi Burglaptop [04:31] Burgwork: the http://gcompris.net/ website does work in Opera, at least here [04:32] Madpilot: hmm [04:32] you tested all of it? [04:34] not all, but I've followed most of the links on the lefthand menu [04:34] ok [04:34] I will report that [04:34] this is the latest Opera, 8.52 - I just updated a day or so ago [04:38] "we will bikeshed all day" - what does "bikeshed" mean in this context, Burglaptop? [04:39] talk about useless things and never get anywhere [04:39] heh, OK. Why "to bikeshed"? [04:40] gcompris? [04:41] http://bikeshed.com/ [04:43] "Some people have commented that the amount of noise generated by a change is inversely proportional to the complexity of the change." [04:43] and what an awful, awful background colour! :P === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:52] ok, grumble [04:53] what's this talk of Guide XML [04:53] no idea, more random tangents and bikeshedding [04:53] did you see my plea? [04:54] reading now [04:54] guide xml doesn't suit us at the moment since we use yelp anyway [04:55] talk of infrastructure doesn't go anywhere [04:55] I also think docbook is suboptimal, but talking about changing right now is foolish [04:59] i just ignore it lately === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:03] jsgotangco: do you have any thoughts on the whole wiki split thing? [05:03] honestly, none at the moment, i was busy with g-a-i, u-m and now with edubuntu [05:06] what are you doing with g-a-i and u-m? [05:07] just a some string updates and the doco [05:12] \ah [05:15] cool, usplash down just landed [05:22] tuxmath crack me up jeez [05:25] wonder why tuxtype is only fullscreen [05:28] gcompris only does 800x600 [05:30] Burglaptop: i sometimes wonder how fixated people are with regards to tagging their work as official/unofficial === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-154-110.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco hugs mpt_ and mpt__ [05:32] I understand some of it [05:33] jsgotangco: it's either "it's better to be official" or "It's cooler to be unofficial", it seems like... === mpt__ and mpt_ hug jsgotangco simultaneously === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === imtheface [n=skyisgre@ip107-101.cbn.net.id] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-182-254.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-13-120.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:12] jsgotangco: ping, cheap one liner again [07:12] :D [07:13] as long it isn't one nighter... [07:13] i was worried about why my document was not validating, lol [07:13] i know a bit more about docbook, lol === robotgeek sees heated scrollback === Burglaptop sees on discussions, not heat [07:18] interesting little bit I read a while back [07:18] 80% think they understand the tone of what they read, while actually only 50% understood the tone [07:18] i think it was on slashdot [07:19] ...and on slashdot, it instantly degenerated into the sort of discussion where *nobody* got the tone... :P [07:20] yeah, if you have made that comment on slashdot, you probably would have been modded +5 funny [07:22] wow, the web is so much more pleasant without flash [07:23] being on linux ppc does have it's advantages :) [07:24] Madpilot: nice link "bikeshed" [07:26] anyways, back to work. i need to bring DG to a reviewable state, lol === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:47] where are xubuntu-docs being developed? [07:53] Burglaptop: no clue. Are there xubuntu docs? other than xfce docs [07:54] none that i know [07:54] rob spearheaded one but he disappeared === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-143-27.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:44] Burgwork, upstream [08:44] i heard that a few people were interested in doing some for ubuntu, but never heard anything concrete [08:52] bloody hell @ mailing list [08:54] what about? [08:55] the changes to infrastructure etc [08:55] yeah [08:55] there is a strange fixation to such === mdke would like to see those people contributing [08:58] mdke: i've already commited the last batch of updates for g-a-i it's already merged in the bzr of mvo, i'll clean up that part after freeze [08:58] u-m on its way [08:58] u-m? [08:58] update manager [08:58] ah [08:59] jsgotangco, oh cool, nice work [08:59] hiya Madpilot [09:00] mdke: as for the png we have on svn, i was thinking of optimizing them using pngcrush or something similar [09:00] it'll reduce the size by at least 50% [09:00] hi mdke [09:00] mdke: which ML was the "bloody hell" about? I'm losing track :( [09:02] jsgotangco, for all of them? [09:02] jsgotangco, if it works well... sounds good [09:02] LaserJock, ours [09:02] mdke: really? I thought it was pretty tame. I'll have to read some more ;-) [09:03] mdke: yeah after distro release i guess or have those working on screenshots optimzize it themselves :) [09:03] ok [09:05] jsgotangco: that is a good idea, the repo is pretty large and I think a lot of size is due to images. [09:06] yeah [09:07] i learned about pngcrush when i saw a bug report on synaptic [09:07] regarding the manual [09:08] can you just crush all the files in one go? [09:09] i haven't tried it but i'm sure its possible [09:09] if only it works in dapper now [09:09] er [09:10] it seemed to have been broken after a libpng update [09:10] find -name \*.png -exec pngcrush '{}' \; [09:11] there ya go regex love [09:12] well, not really [09:17] -> work === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-138-172.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.148] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:03] Madpilot, feel free to mark sections complete as you check them for typos [10:04] will do - I moved a few status tags just now, but ignored most of them === mdke nods [10:05] and you can do a patch for the whole dg directory, rather than individual files, if you like [10:05] with the same "svn diff", or does the syntax change when you're diff'ing entire directories? [10:06] same [10:06] thanks - I'll keep that in mind [10:07] ok applied [10:07] i made one tiny change so svn up [10:07] will do, but I'm not doing any more editing tonight [10:07] cool, thanks for those [10:07] np === bhuvan expects someone like Madpilot for sg :) [10:09] bhuvan: I can do basic proofreading for serverguide if you like [10:09] bhuvan, we'll get there, don't worry [10:09] the DG needed some major love tho [10:10] Madpilot: you provide your love to dg. we'll get your help, if need be in the end [10:17] OK, I lied, one last diff off to the list [10:19] ooh printers [10:19] what do you envisage going in that section? specific printer hardware? [10:20] at a minimum, a pointer to whereever Dapper keeps it's Printer config thing - it's System-Admin-Printers in Breezy [10:21] links to the wiki's printer stuff, maybe to linuxprinting.org [10:21] is this a common task though? [10:22] printers are more common than handhelds, and we've got a section on handhelds & Ubuntu [10:22] i mean, should it be in common-tasks.xml [10:23] maybe - right now most of the hardware stuff is in config-system.xml, though [10:24] sure, so if that is going to be hardware directed, it's definitely in the right place [10:24] if it's just a guide to printing, i dunno [10:27] anyway, I need to get some sleep - email the list about the printer thing, perhaps? [10:27] okay! [10:27] talk to you later [10:27] night === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.86.92] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.213.159] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_At_Hut [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-138-172.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_At_Hut [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_At_Hut [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-75-114.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.228.244] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:53] mdke: new documentation wiki??? [02:54] sorry? [02:57] new wiki gets merged with help? [02:58] just miss out the word "new" [02:58] wiki gets to be under help.ubuntu.com? [02:59] yes... [02:59] we've been talking about that for 6 months or so [03:01] ah i'm so zoned out of all this infrastructure talk im not having fun anymore [03:02] me neither [03:02] let's just make some good docs [03:02] that's what i'm doing [03:04] i didn't mean to suggest you weren't :) [03:04] i know you are [03:04] :D === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.68] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.120.12] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:28] hmm [04:28] nm killed my network [04:28] lol === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:26] mdke: Kamion mdke: it's the d-i installation manual [05:26] mdke: I looked it up myself [05:27] it is the documentation for the debian installer [05:28] so I don't think it is of any use to Ubuntu [05:29] hmm, guess I was wrong :( [05:34] mdke: I think Kamion has a good point. We perhaps should collect some of the Debian docs (at least links) and put them somewhere on help.u.c [05:37] its basically d-i with some string changes [05:37] but its no different to the breezy manual [05:37] the request is reasonable though === jsgotangco is about to reply to the email [05:38] I think we should make a place on doc.ubuntu.com where we just set up catagorized links to the debian docs. [05:38] mdke: so are we going to put this? [05:38] its pretty trivial imo [05:38] but horribly out of place in our current setup [05:39] doh [05:39] i'll just reply to this email [05:40] jsgotangco: I think he'll be back, he was having connection problems === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:01] jsgotangco: I just sent a RE: to your RE: ;-) hope it makes sense [06:01] heh its 1am nothing makes sense to me now [06:01] lol [06:02] well it's only 0900 here so I have no excuse [06:12] now I feel dumb. :( === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-180-115.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=thecore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3714859.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:06] hello LaserJock [07:06] hi theCore [07:06] I'm so lucky, or actually unlucky [07:07] I had hard drive failure, this week [07:07] I lost many files, but none from PackagingGuide [07:08] yikes [07:08] another one? [07:08] ya, this one is due to aggressive shutdown technics [07:11] jeeze, you need to be more careful about your hard drives ;-) === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:13] do you remember my little stupid brother ? (the one spamed #ubuntu and -offtopic). Now, because I lock my screen every time I quit my computer. He decide to shutdown to computer by removing the power cord. [07:13] ouch [07:14] yea [07:14] ouch [07:14] how old is he? [07:14] 16, I think [07:15] hmm, I would probably thoroughly thrash him. [07:15] I did ;) [07:16] Is he going to pay for a new hard drive? [07:16] the hard drive is okay [07:17] actually, it's my inode table that is scraped [07:17] ahh, what FS? [07:17] ext2 [07:17] ext3 [07:18] I'm trying to find a way to repair it manually, right now [07:18] hmm, seems odd. I've had ok luck with ext3 and power outages etc. [07:20] He did that, at least 5 times, this week. I had to left my computer open because I was compiling Seamonkey [07:20] ohhh, I would have been soooo upset. [07:21] I will get over it, at least my personals files haven't been too damaged [07:22] I lost one or two trival files [07:23] anyways, now I need to find a way to recover my files from my hd [07:24] I only got one cdrw, and its already used for the LiveCD, [07:26] I going to make a tarball and upload it to my gmail account [07:26] viva the 2GB storage [07:26] how big will the tarball be? [07:27] 200 MB [07:27] more or least [07:27] less* [07:28] It suck like backup technic, but at least its get to work done [07:28] oh, that's not too bad. My ~/ is about 1GB tarballed [07:29] mine too [07:29] but I stripping, all my "downloadables" [07:29] I'm* [07:30] hey theCore LaserJock [07:30] hi robotgeek [07:30] boujour rebotgeek [07:31] salut theCore [07:31] robotgeek, oh [07:31] theCore: i don't know french, but picked this up :) [07:32] yea, I thought so [07:33] yeah, I've picked up a little French and German from those crazy MOTUs :-) [07:33] lol [07:34] :) [07:34] damn, i really need to put this box out of it's "windows" misery. problem is, it's not my box :) [07:34] Cette phrase n'est pas faite pour tre comprise. :) [07:35] lol, I had to use babelfish on it ;-) [07:35] theCore: google translate of this sucks :) [07:36] robotgeek: babelfish.altavista.com is what I usually use. [07:36] I expected that [07:36] robotgeek: what did you get? [07:37] This sentence is not made to be included/understood :) [07:37] it's probably "meant" [07:37] same as babelfish [07:37] ( This sentence isn't meant to be understood ) [07:38] I need a latin translator [07:39] theCore: that ways you could have "security by obsucrity" :) === robotgeek gets back to work === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-58-62.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock_ [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:18] learned ones, ping :) [10:18] robotgeek, hmm? [10:20] Burgwork: hmm, i was wondering what is better a) adept guide as a separate chapter in KDG b) or just link to it [10:21] with a) it would resemble the structure of Ubuntu DG [10:22] adept should be in a section called "Installation", not "Adept" [10:22] along with discussions of apt-get, etc. [10:23] true [10:24] i'll just put it in there for now, and talk with jjesse later === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.68] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-180-115.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc