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_Simeallee: next bug fix release of guidance will fix most of these problems. (I've been testing and fixing things here in the meantime).12:04
RiddellLure: no idea12:04
allee_Sime: 'k when you  know it, no problem ;)12:04
Lurehave you seen this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/2969112:10
LureIMHO very good points...12:10
Lurebut probably for Dapper+112:10
Hobbsee_awayallee: adept?  what's that?  :P12:12
Hobbsee_awayi dont use it either12:12
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Hobbseehehe12:14
alleeLure: nice report. Is anyone working on kdesystemsettings?12:15
Hobbseeah yes, i remember thinking that was a nice report12:19
Riddellallee: icefox has done a qt4 version I think12:19
Hobbseeallee: possibly tonio_, but i doubt it12:19
Riddelland I do hope to fix some of the problems with the current version for dapper12:19
alleebtw. has anyone a klipper action so one can upload current selecton to nopaste or whatever in one go?12:20
alleeyeah, would be good to get the infamous systemsetting behaviour fixed12:20
alleeRiddell: do you know if Tonio is working on (k)netswitch behind the scene?12:21
Riddellallee: klipper, no but good idea12:21
Riddellallee: which infamous behaviour?12:21
Riddellallee: he's in contact with the authors12:21
alleethe resizing12:21
Riddellresizing is only an issue if you double click12:22
alleeRiddell: I've a long list of things to fix in the pkgs, but when he works on it, it makes so sense to do the same12:22
sebasRiddell: Remove the old display module :-)12:22
Riddellsebas: that's been done12:23
sebasAh, excellent :)12:23
sebasYou'll be here tomorrow night?12:23
alleeRiddell: oh, knetswitch is still not in archive.  does this mean it's to late for *netswitch12:23
sebasLate, I guess?12:23
Riddellsebas: yes12:26
Riddellwill probably go straight to grand place12:26
sebasRiddell: Ah, I'm not sure how to handle stuff yet.12:27
sebasMaybe people need to show up at Grand Place, but I'm tempted to leave a list of people allowed for the rooms at JB.12:27
sebasHaving to stay the whole night at JB until everybody is in his room doesn't sound too attractive to me.12:28
Riddellallee: tonio has uploaded k/gnetswitch, so they should get past NEW fine12:29
sebasI could send an email though, that I'll be at JB until 8, and thereafter at Roi d'Espagne.12:29
Riddellsebas: sounds like a good idea12:29
Riddellsebas: can you include your mobile phone number, lest I get lost?12:30
alleeRiddell: good to know.  (so codeine may make it in too :)12:30
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sebasRiddell: Yeah, will do.12:31
alleeRiddell: I remember you used a special pastebin(?) url that somehow had kubuntu in the url?  I would like to use this for klipper action?  URL?12:31
Riddellkubuntu.pastebin.com12:32
Lurebye everybody - time for bed12:41
sebasRiddell: Got my email?12:47
sebasWifi is wonky here, and I want to make sure it's actually sent 12:47
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Tulgahi all! I want install xgl on dapper 4. please recommend me good howto04:46
seth|lappythe devel channel isn't the place to ask04:47
seth|lappytry #kubuntu or #ubuntu04:47
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viviersfRiddell, ping 08:36
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Tonio__hello09:51
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robotgeekhey Tonio_ 09:51
freeflyingTonio_: hi09:54
freeflyingTonio_: can user select language thourgh kdm09:55
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hungerWas kalarm's /usr/share/autostart desktop file fixed to be ignored in gnome?10:03
hungerCould somebody with that file installed check whether there is "OnlyShowIn=KDE" in the desktop files installed by this package into /usr/share/autostart?10:04
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Riddellmornfall: are you still planning on doing the .deb installer?10:48
mornfallRiddell: we are past feature freeze now10:48
mornfallRiddell: i'll think about adding it to 3.0 target10:49
mornfallconsidering 3.0 will be a year from now (or more) -- that can be done10:49
Riddellyep, fine10:49
mornfalli can make a 2.0 branch if there's some desire to add (minor) features for eg dapper+110:50
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viviersfRiddell, ping11:45
Riddellviviersf: hi11:47
viviersflo :)11:51
viviersfRiddell, im new to making packages right11:52
viviersfi got package moo-0.111:52
viviersfnow i compile it it makes moo-0.1-111:52
viviersfhow i get it to go to moo-0.1-211:52
viviersfetc11:52
viviersfis there a command for the new version ?11:52
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Tm_Tviviersf: changelog?11:55
viviersfya11:55
viviersfbut is there a command to add a new one11:55
viviersfi know i can just copy and edit11:55
Tm_Tprolly no, I think the point is that that all is defined with explanations in changelog11:55
viviersfokay11:56
Tm_Tso we other know as well what are the differences between packages ;)11:56
alleeviviersf: dch -> add a changelog item;  dch -i  # add a new version and a changelog item12:00
Riddellviviersf: dch -i  12:00
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viviersfthanks Riddell :)12:01
Riddellallee said it first :)12:01
viviersfok and allee 12:01
viviersfhaha12:01
alleeviviersf: too late. your on ignore-list ;)12:01
viviersfRiddell, all kewl impi addons to kde is going to kubuntu now :)12:01
Riddellgreat :)12:01
alleeviviersf: impi?12:02
viviersfi must just nag ajmitch to get me in as a motu12:02
Tm_Tviviersf: yup, changelog ;)12:02
viviersfand you on how to get them into kubuntu12:02
viviersfallee south african distro 12:02
alleecool.12:03
Riddellviviersf: do you have an account on revu?12:11
viviersfrevu ?12:32
viviersfwhats that Riddell 12:32
viviersfi only got lp account12:32
Riddellhttp://revu.tauware.de  before you get MOTU (or even after) upload to revu to get packages reviewed12:35
viviersfkk12:36
viviersfbut it wont matter now12:36
viviersfsince feature freeze is on ?12:36
Riddelltrue, not sure if we can upload new packages now12:37
viviersfyup12:38
viviersfhow would i go about it now to become motu12:39
viviersfsince i cant upload packages12:39
Riddellfix bugs in existing ones I presume12:41
Riddelland you can still upload new packages to revu ready for dapper+112:42
viviersfah12:42
viviersf:)12:42
viviersfso basicly anything i would find 'nice' to have in dapper+112:42
viviersfi  can upload there ?12:43
Riddellyep12:43
viviersfkewl12:43
viviersfbut theres no place to get an account12:44
Riddellask raphink or siretat or sistpoty12:46
Riddellyou'll need a gpg key12:46
raphinkviviersf: send me a signed message with the gpg key you want to use12:46
raphink@ raphink@ubuntu.com12:46
viviersfkk12:46
viviersfhmm lemme find my gpg again12:47
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raphinkviviersf: and upload your key to keyserver.ubuntu.com too, that makes it easier12:47
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Tonio__hi01:02
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alleehi Tonio_ 01:03
Hobbseehey Tonio_ and allee 01:03
=== Hobbsee admires the pretty fonts with correct DPI, and the new splash screen
=== allee admires the people going to lunch and follows them
Tonio_Hobbsee: are you fine ith those settings ?01:06
=== Tonio_ is happy \o/
Hobbseeperhaps a little small - i went in and changed it to 10 :) - but yeah, they're very nice!01:07
Hobbseeit is deja vu sans, i take it?01:07
Tonio_hum, I would prefer 8 but it is hard to find a setting that feets everyone01:07
Tonio_9 is a good average I think ;)01:07
Hobbseedefinetly01:07
Tonio_I like 8 but that could really be too smal for other people01:08
Tonio_what about he icon size ?01:08
Hobbsee8 would be way too small for here01:08
Hobbseeicons?01:08
Tonio_I have the feeling that the default one (48), is a bit too much for the desktop and konq no ?01:08
Tonio_the icon size01:08
Tonio_I really like 3201:08
Hobbseelooks ok01:08
Hobbseenot sure what my default is though01:08
Hobbseedont know - i dont use icons on my desktop - looks nice with teh black outline though01:09
Tonio_Hobbsee: do you use firefox ?01:09
HobbseeTonio_: yep01:09
Tonio_Hobbsee: did you notice the cursor is now the good one ?01:09
Tonio_not that horrible crappy hand01:09
Hobbseevery much so!01:09
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Tonio_hehe01:10
Hobbsee:P01:10
=== Hobbsee munches on dinner while chatting
=== Tonio_ time for smoking + coffee
Tonio_Hobbsee: it is not finished yet, so if you have any ideas, ask01:10
Hobbseeok01:10
Tonio_I think it could be nice to set konq to autoscan for new modules and use artsdp by default01:11
Tonio_that would allow a out of the box working flash or java plugins, no ?01:11
Hobbseepresumably01:11
Tonio_there are lots of things like that that could be improved01:12
Tonio_all that has to be set after the installation in fact01:12
Tonio_except personnal wishies01:12
Tonio_but definitly, about everyone will install flash for example01:12
Hobbseeyou know, it's *very* hard to make an announcement over a PA when someone's pulling puffer fish faces at you!01:13
Hobbseethat is true01:13
Hobbseei havent, yet, i dont think...i should do that01:13
Hobbseeoh, Tonio_ - earlier in dapper, there was a systems setting thing in the kmenu, that let you navigate which bit of it you wanted to open - does that still exist somehow, or did that die?  I found that kinda cool :)01:31
Tonio_still exists01:32
Tonio_but not activated by default01:32
Tonio_right click the K button, then configure, go in Menus01:32
Tonio_and activate........ dunno the english for this01:32
Tonio_french is "wuick navigation" or something like that01:33
Tonio_s/wuick/quick01:33
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HobbseeTonio_: might be worth activating it - it was pretty useful01:36
Hobbseeooh thankyou :)01:37
Tonio_hum, can be usefull yes, but I don't think it can be *that* usefull for standard users....01:40
Tonio_anyway, I think we should create a group for the kde desktop01:40
Hobbseeah ok01:40
Tonio_kde is a fantastic desktop manager but has so much possibilities that it needs a big bunch o configuration01:41
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Tonio_WOW01:42
Hobbseetrue01:42
viviersfRiddell, im making a package for all service menus we want to add01:43
Tonio_viviersf: very nice idea :)01:45
Tonio_viviersf: but we cannot add new packages actually01:45
Tonio_or I missed something :)01:45
Tonio_viviersf: that can be done within kubuntu-default-settings01:46
viviersfno 01:46
viviersffor dapper +101:46
Tonio_viviersf: ah ok01:46
alleeviviersf: isn't it better to add the service menu desktop files to the pkg of the tool the service menu uses?01:47
viviersfthe one im adding now is email01:48
viviersfso that will have to go into kmail01:48
viviersfand then there is the deb install one01:48
viviersfthat will have to go into dpkg01:48
viviersfand im pretty sure they wont allow kde service menus in dpkg's package01:49
alleedpkg is essential so  can be added to konqueror 01:49
alleewith kmail I see no problem, put it in debian/ dir and install it01:50
viviersfwell i cant i make it so long 01:52
viviersfits just to get them in01:52
viviersfsince they cant go into kmail and konqueror atm01:53
Tonio_allee: still no internet at home, so it'll take a little moment before I subscribe to alioth01:54
viviersfunderstand allee ?01:54
alleeviviersf: is a missing service entry a bug?  bugfixes are still allowed ;)01:55
alleeTonio_: no problem.  Should I import that is on revu in the meantime?01:55
Tonio_allee: sure01:56
alleeTonio_: 'k.  Feel free to send me a diff when you make changes or checkin later ourself.01:56
viviersfno allee 01:57
viviersfservice entry = feature01:58
alleeviviersf: :(  I hoped to add codeine service menues.01:59
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Tonio_allee: thanks for the missing knemorc profiles ;)02:07
Tonio_I still have stuff to do on k-d-s, I'll ad them :)02:07
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viviersfheh allee 02:14
jpatrickRiddell: can I fix malone #4385 ?02:27
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freeflyingRiddell: ping03:25
Lathiatwhoah03:50
Lathiathow sweet is the new login03:50
nlindbladshots?03:51
jpatrickLathiat: :)03:53
Lathiatnlindblad: try it yourself ;p03:53
Lathiatbit hard to get shots of the login process03:53
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jpatricknlindblad: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426 w00t03:56
nlindbladhi jpatrick03:56
nlindbladlooks nice03:57
nlindbladbut you see that screen for a second or two03:57
nlindbladso why theme it?03:57
jpatrickjust nice?03:57
jpatricknice is used to describe biscuits03:58
freeflyingI have some question about kdm , who can help me 03:58
nlindbladfreeflying: most people in this channel03:58
freeflyingI just wonder wether kdm can select language before login 04:02
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jpatrickright04:25
Lathiatanyone else noticed alt+drag window doesnt move it anymore?04:27
jpatrickdoes here (breezy :) )04:27
Lathiati mean on dapper04:27
Lathiatdid on breezy04:27
freeflyingLathiat: I have used it 5 hrs ago04:28
seaLnedosen't seem to work for me04:28
freeflyings/ago/before04:28
nlindbladLathiat: it does here (Dapper)04:37
Lathiatseems to depend where you drag the window04:38
Lathiatbefore it blanket worked04:38
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jpatrickas usual ;-)04:59
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jpatrickre Lure 05:28
Lurehi jpatrick05:28
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kmonhi05:50
jpatrickhello kmon and seth 05:52
robotgeekhey jpatrick kmon seth 05:52
kmonhi everybody05:52
robotgeekmy external monitor just worked, i am so happy :)05:53
jpatrickkmon: fix was uploaded yesterday05:53
kmonjpatrick:  I've noticed05:53
jpatrickrobotgeek: aren't most monitor's external?05:54
robotgeekjpatrick: from my laptop, i mean05:54
jpatrick:)05:54
kmonjpatrick: there are still some rough edges in kdm theme manager, but I believe it's an upstream issue05:54
robotgeeki can document in peace now05:54
Lurerobotgeek: dual display?05:54
robotgeekLure: hmm, no. just external monitor. i did not feel like mucking with xorg.conf05:55
jpatrickkmon: such as?05:55
robotgeekLure: maybe a project for another day :)05:55
Lurerobotgeek: I am waiting for new Display applet - it is supposed to have something05:56
kmonjpatrick: well, I seem unable to add the kdmthemes located in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/ I beleive this is because the applet is designed to load kdm themes from a tar.gz (or similar) package05:56
robotgeekLure: ah, that would be very nice. i had to plug my external in when computer starts, otherwise monitor doesn't detect05:57
jpatrickkmon: add the theme using it's .desktop file05:57
jpatrickkmon: or .xml (can't remember which)05:57
kmonjpatrick: Also, One bug which could be fixed, is that If I open kdm theme applet in system settings, then enter admin mode and press the show all button in system settings and the again load the kdm theme applet and error message pop's out saying the applet was already opened in system settings.05:57
jpatrickkmon: that's for all modules05:58
jpatricknot my fault =)05:58
kmonjpatrick: I have to close system settings and open it again to access it05:58
kmonjpatrick: ohh, I see05:58
kmonjpatrick: Then it's a known bug05:58
jpatrickyes05:58
kmonjpatrick: system settings is very nive, but has some rough bugs05:59
kmonjpatrick: localization doesn't work very well05:59
jpatrickkdmtheme/system settings?06:00
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kmonjpatrick:  system settings06:00
kmonjpatrick: many modules appear in english06:00
jpatrickyeah, known (need to translate)06:00
kmonjpatrick: ok. I can help there... I just need to get some time and get on with roseta06:01
jpatrickit's not in rosetta (yet)06:02
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kmondoes anyone know if the feature in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperRoadmap that says: "investigate best practice for kwallet to balance lack of intrusiveness with security." is planned for dapper or is a deferred goal?06:04
kmonOne of the things I hate of using kwallet is that I have to enter a password for kopete. There should be an option to let some apps load the wallet without asking questions06:05
Lathiattherre is "always allow" you of course always need to put the password in once06:06
Lathiatiirc kopete has a bug06:06
Lathiatthat keeps asking06:06
jpatricknot here06:06
kmonLathiat: where's that option?06:07
Lathiatkmon: when it asks you to open the wallet, if you have to re-enter the apssword, thats different and possibly the bug i mentioned06:08
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kmonmy problem is that I don't want to be asked for a password for applications I've granted access to the wallet, for example: kontact or kopete06:09
kmonevery time I log in kde, and launch kopete I have to enter the password06:09
kmonit's quite irritating06:09
Tonio_kmon: do you make usage of kwalletmanager ?06:09
kmonyes06:10
Tonio_okay06:10
Tonio_you set a password on the default wallet06:10
Tonio_if you want transparent acces, you have to set a blank password on the default wallet06:10
Tonio_that's the only solution06:10
kmonthe thing is that once the wallet is loaded, I can launch other apps, (kontact) and I'm not asked for the password06:10
Tonio_that's normal because the wallet is opened06:11
Tonio_the problem is he opining of the wallet that prompts for a passwod06:11
kmonbut I don't really want that solution, I want to be asked for the password on apps that aren't granted access to the wallet, otherwise no questions06:11
Tonio_so blank the password of the wallet "kdewallet" and you will not be prompted anymore06:11
Tonio_kmon: there is no other solution06:11
Tonio_hum06:11
kmonTonio_: so... it's a bug or a feature?06:11
jpatrickneither06:12
Tonio_if an application isn't granted access06:12
Tonio_it will not acces to the wallet even if it is opened and blank password06:12
kmonohh06:12
kmonI see06:12
kmonthanxs06:12
Tonio_you will have to grant acces once or definitly06:12
Tonio_that's a clean way to proceed :)06:12
Tonio_but I agree with you it would be nice to have a config option "if application granted, don't prompt for password"06:13
Tonio_that would be the best06:13
kmonTonio_: that would be a nice addition06:13
Tonio_kmon: bugs.kde.org :)06:13
Tonio_post a feature request or vote if already exists !06:14
kmonTonio_: ok, I'll do it later06:14
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kmonanother question: anyone has flash working with konqueror?06:15
jpatrickNo06:15
kmonI've installed flashplugin-nonfree06:15
kmonbut it's not workling06:15
kmonand also, I've installed the java 1.4 rte from blackdown (it's in universe) but I don't have a plugin for konqueror06:16
kmonI've already filed bugs06:16
kmonbut I wanted to know if it's me or this happens to everyone06:16
jpatrickI'm waiting for Gnash to be ready06:17
Tonio_kmon: did you go in konqueror options and click "search for new plugins"?06:17
kmonTonio_: yes06:17
Tonio_hum........06:17
Tonio_do you see flash in the plugins list ?06:17
Tonio_concerning java I would suggest you to install it within the plf repo or something, and install version 1.5, that way better that crappy 1?406:18
kmonTonio_: the flash plugin is not listed06:19
Tonio_kmon with package did you install ?06:19
Tonio_cause you have one with the plugin itself06:19
kmonflashplugin-nonfree06:19
Tonio_and another one with download the files to remotelly install it ;)06:20
Tonio_let me check06:20
Tonio_Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer06:20
Tonio_This package will download flash_linux.tar.gz archive from Macromedia (or mirror). It is useful for mozilla browser variants.06:20
Tonio_it is important to read the desc ;)06:20
Tonio_remove this one and install flashplugin-mozilla06:21
Tonio_this is the good one06:21
kmonit doesn't download anything:06:21
kmonavier@a1691:~$ sudo update-flashplugin06:21
kmonPassword:06:21
kmonChecking new upstream release...06:21
kmonI: checking http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/macromedia/site_ucsc.html...06:21
kmonNo new version is detected. ( = not installed)06:21
Tonio_flashplayer-mozilla ?06:21
kmonlet's see...06:21
Tonio_flashplayer-mozilla install directly the plugin06:21
kmonok, let's see...06:22
kmonTonio_: now it works06:22
kmonTonio_:  thanks06:22
kmonTonio_: we are in feature freeze right? so there aren't going to be new packages/features from now on?06:27
jpatrickkmon: only bug fixes06:28
kmonjpatrick: so, I imagine kat will stay as it is now...06:28
jpatrickyes06:28
kmonand kde 3.5.2?06:29
jpatrickexception06:30
kmonnice06:32
kmonkdesu doesn't have a patch for not asking the password if it was entered oin 15 minutes like gksu has?06:34
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kmonjpatrick: is there any way to configure konqueror's drag & drop to do a default action instead of asking everytime is I want to move a file, copy or link it?06:51
jpatricknot that I know of06:51
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jpatrickhunger: you around mate?07:16
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LureAny idea how to properly fix this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/3030110:38
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verwilsthello!11:25
verwilstanybody going to fosdem?11:25
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