[12:04] <_Sime> allee: next bug fix release of guidance will fix most of these problems. (I've been testing and fixing things here in the meantime).
[12:04] <Riddell> Lure: no idea
[12:04] <allee> _Sime: 'k when you  know it, no problem ;)
[12:10] <Lure> have you seen this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/29691
[12:10] <Lure> IMHO very good points...
[12:10] <Lure> but probably for Dapper+1
[12:12] <Hobbsee_away> allee: adept?  what's that?  :P
[12:12] <Hobbsee_away> i dont use it either
[12:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:15] <allee> Lure: nice report. Is anyone working on kdesystemsettings?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i remember thinking that was a nice report
[12:19] <Riddell> allee: icefox has done a qt4 version I think
[12:19] <Hobbsee> allee: possibly tonio_, but i doubt it
[12:19] <Riddell> and I do hope to fix some of the problems with the current version for dapper
[12:20] <allee> btw. has anyone a klipper action so one can upload current selecton to nopaste or whatever in one go?
[12:20] <allee> yeah, would be good to get the infamous systemsetting behaviour fixed
[12:21] <allee> Riddell: do you know if Tonio is working on (k)netswitch behind the scene?
[12:21] <Riddell> allee: klipper, no but good idea
[12:21] <Riddell> allee: which infamous behaviour?
[12:21] <Riddell> allee: he's in contact with the authors
[12:21] <allee> the resizing
[12:22] <Riddell> resizing is only an issue if you double click
[12:22] <allee> Riddell: I've a long list of things to fix in the pkgs, but when he works on it, it makes so sense to do the same
[12:22] <sebas> Riddell: Remove the old display module :-)
[12:23] <Riddell> sebas: that's been done
[12:23] <sebas> Ah, excellent :)
[12:23] <sebas> You'll be here tomorrow night?
[12:23] <allee> Riddell: oh, knetswitch is still not in archive.  does this mean it's to late for *netswitch
[12:23] <sebas> Late, I guess?
[12:26] <Riddell> sebas: yes
[12:26] <Riddell> will probably go straight to grand place
[12:27] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, I'm not sure how to handle stuff yet.
[12:27] <sebas> Maybe people need to show up at Grand Place, but I'm tempted to leave a list of people allowed for the rooms at JB.
[12:28] <sebas> Having to stay the whole night at JB until everybody is in his room doesn't sound too attractive to me.
[12:29] <Riddell> allee: tonio has uploaded k/gnetswitch, so they should get past NEW fine
[12:29] <sebas> I could send an email though, that I'll be at JB until 8, and thereafter at Roi d'Espagne.
[12:29] <Riddell> sebas: sounds like a good idea
[12:30] <Riddell> sebas: can you include your mobile phone number, lest I get lost?
[12:30] <allee> Riddell: good to know.  (so codeine may make it in too :)
[12:31] <sebas> Riddell: Yeah, will do.
[12:31] <allee> Riddell: I remember you used a special pastebin(?) url that somehow had kubuntu in the url?  I would like to use this for klipper action?  URL?
[12:32] <Riddell> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:41] <Lure> bye everybody - time for bed
[12:47] <sebas> Riddell: Got my email?
[12:47] <sebas> Wifi is wonky here, and I want to make sure it's actually sent 
[04:46] <Tulga> hi all! I want install xgl on dapper 4. please recommend me good howto
[04:47] <seth|lappy> the devel channel isn't the place to ask
[04:47] <seth|lappy> try #kubuntu or #ubuntu
[08:36] <viviersf> Riddell, ping 
[09:51] <Tonio__> hello
[09:51] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ 
[09:54] <freeflying> Tonio_: hi
[09:55] <freeflying> Tonio_: can user select language thourgh kdm
[10:03] <hunger> Was kalarm's /usr/share/autostart desktop file fixed to be ignored in gnome?
[10:04] <hunger> Could somebody with that file installed check whether there is "OnlyShowIn=KDE" in the desktop files installed by this package into /usr/share/autostart?
[10:48] <Riddell> mornfall: are you still planning on doing the .deb installer?
[10:48] <mornfall> Riddell: we are past feature freeze now
[10:49] <mornfall> Riddell: i'll think about adding it to 3.0 target
[10:49] <mornfall> considering 3.0 will be a year from now (or more) -- that can be done
[10:49] <Riddell> yep, fine
[10:50] <mornfall> i can make a 2.0 branch if there's some desire to add (minor) features for eg dapper+1
[11:45] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[11:47] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[11:51] <viviersf> lo :)
[11:52] <viviersf> Riddell, im new to making packages right
[11:52] <viviersf> i got package moo-0.1
[11:52] <viviersf> now i compile it it makes moo-0.1-1
[11:52] <viviersf> how i get it to go to moo-0.1-2
[11:52] <viviersf> etc
[11:52] <viviersf> is there a command for the new version ?
[11:55] <Tm_T> viviersf: changelog?
[11:55] <viviersf> ya
[11:55] <viviersf> but is there a command to add a new one
[11:55] <viviersf> i know i can just copy and edit
[11:55] <Tm_T> prolly no, I think the point is that that all is defined with explanations in changelog
[11:56] <viviersf> okay
[11:56] <Tm_T> so we other know as well what are the differences between packages ;)
[12:00] <allee> viviersf: dch -> add a changelog item;  dch -i  # add a new version and a changelog item
[12:00] <Riddell> viviersf: dch -i  
[12:01] <viviersf> thanks Riddell :)
[12:01] <Riddell> allee said it first :)
[12:01] <viviersf> ok and allee 
[12:01] <viviersf> haha
[12:01] <allee> viviersf: too late. your on ignore-list ;)
[12:01] <viviersf> Riddell, all kewl impi addons to kde is going to kubuntu now :)
[12:01] <Riddell> great :)
[12:02] <allee> viviersf: impi?
[12:02] <viviersf> i must just nag ajmitch to get me in as a motu
[12:02] <Tm_T> viviersf: yup, changelog ;)
[12:02] <viviersf> and you on how to get them into kubuntu
[12:02] <viviersf> allee south african distro 
[12:03] <allee> cool.
[12:11] <Riddell> viviersf: do you have an account on revu?
[12:32] <viviersf> revu ?
[12:32] <viviersf> whats that Riddell 
[12:32] <viviersf> i only got lp account
[12:35] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de  before you get MOTU (or even after) upload to revu to get packages reviewed
[12:36] <viviersf> kk
[12:36] <viviersf> but it wont matter now
[12:36] <viviersf> since feature freeze is on ?
[12:37] <Riddell> true, not sure if we can upload new packages now
[12:38] <viviersf> yup
[12:39] <viviersf> how would i go about it now to become motu
[12:39] <viviersf> since i cant upload packages
[12:41] <Riddell> fix bugs in existing ones I presume
[12:42] <Riddell> and you can still upload new packages to revu ready for dapper+1
[12:42] <viviersf> ah
[12:42] <viviersf> :)
[12:42] <viviersf> so basicly anything i would find 'nice' to have in dapper+1
[12:43] <viviersf> i  can upload there ?
[12:43] <Riddell> yep
[12:43] <viviersf> kewl
[12:44] <viviersf> but theres no place to get an account
[12:46] <Riddell> ask raphink or siretat or sistpoty
[12:46] <Riddell> you'll need a gpg key
[12:46] <raphink> viviersf: send me a signed message with the gpg key you want to use
[12:46] <raphink> @ raphink@ubuntu.com
[12:46] <viviersf> kk
[12:47] <viviersf> hmm lemme find my gpg again
[12:47] <raphink> viviersf: and upload your key to keyserver.ubuntu.com too, that makes it easier
[01:02] <Tonio__> hi
[01:03] <allee> hi Tonio_ 
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ and allee 
[01:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are you fine ith those settings ?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> perhaps a little small - i went in and changed it to 10 :) - but yeah, they're very nice!
[01:07] <Hobbsee> it is deja vu sans, i take it?
[01:07] <Tonio_> hum, I would prefer 8 but it is hard to find a setting that feets everyone
[01:07] <Tonio_> 9 is a good average I think ;)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> definetly
[01:08] <Tonio_> I like 8 but that could really be too smal for other people
[01:08] <Tonio_> what about he icon size ?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> 8 would be way too small for here
[01:08] <Hobbsee> icons?
[01:08] <Tonio_> I have the feeling that the default one (48), is a bit too much for the desktop and konq no ?
[01:08] <Tonio_> the icon size
[01:08] <Tonio_> I really like 32
[01:08] <Hobbsee> looks ok
[01:08] <Hobbsee> not sure what my default is though
[01:09] <Hobbsee> dont know - i dont use icons on my desktop - looks nice with teh black outline though
[01:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do you use firefox ?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[01:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you notice the cursor is now the good one ?
[01:09] <Tonio_> not that horrible crappy hand
[01:09] <Hobbsee> very much so!
[01:10] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:10] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is not finished yet, so if you have any ideas, ask
[01:10] <Hobbsee> ok
[01:11] <Tonio_> I think it could be nice to set konq to autoscan for new modules and use artsdp by default
[01:11] <Tonio_> that would allow a out of the box working flash or java plugins, no ?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> presumably
[01:12] <Tonio_> there are lots of things like that that could be improved
[01:12] <Tonio_> all that has to be set after the installation in fact
[01:12] <Tonio_> except personnal wishies
[01:12] <Tonio_> but definitly, about everyone will install flash for example
[01:13] <Hobbsee> you know, it's *very* hard to make an announcement over a PA when someone's pulling puffer fish faces at you!
[01:13] <Hobbsee> that is true
[01:13] <Hobbsee> i havent, yet, i dont think...i should do that
[01:31] <Hobbsee> oh, Tonio_ - earlier in dapper, there was a systems setting thing in the kmenu, that let you navigate which bit of it you wanted to open - does that still exist somehow, or did that die?  I found that kinda cool :)
[01:32] <Tonio_> still exists
[01:32] <Tonio_> but not activated by default
[01:32] <Tonio_> right click the K button, then configure, go in Menus
[01:32] <Tonio_> and activate........ dunno the english for this
[01:33] <Tonio_> french is "wuick navigation" or something like that
[01:33] <Tonio_> s/wuick/quick
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: might be worth activating it - it was pretty useful
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ooh thankyou :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> hum, can be usefull yes, but I don't think it can be *that* usefull for standard users....
[01:40] <Tonio_> anyway, I think we should create a group for the kde desktop
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:41] <Tonio_> kde is a fantastic desktop manager but has so much possibilities that it needs a big bunch o configuration
[01:42] <Tonio_> WOW
[01:42] <Hobbsee> true
[01:43] <viviersf> Riddell, im making a package for all service menus we want to add
[01:45] <Tonio_> viviersf: very nice idea :)
[01:45] <Tonio_> viviersf: but we cannot add new packages actually
[01:45] <Tonio_> or I missed something :)
[01:46] <Tonio_> viviersf: that can be done within kubuntu-default-settings
[01:46] <viviersf> no 
[01:46] <viviersf> for dapper +1
[01:46] <Tonio_> viviersf: ah ok
[01:47] <allee> viviersf: isn't it better to add the service menu desktop files to the pkg of the tool the service menu uses?
[01:48] <viviersf> the one im adding now is email
[01:48] <viviersf> so that will have to go into kmail
[01:48] <viviersf> and then there is the deb install one
[01:48] <viviersf> that will have to go into dpkg
[01:49] <viviersf> and im pretty sure they wont allow kde service menus in dpkg's package
[01:49] <allee> dpkg is essential so  can be added to konqueror 
[01:50] <allee> with kmail I see no problem, put it in debian/ dir and install it
[01:52] <viviersf> well i cant i make it so long 
[01:52] <viviersf> its just to get them in
[01:53] <viviersf> since they cant go into kmail and konqueror atm
[01:54] <Tonio_> allee: still no internet at home, so it'll take a little moment before I subscribe to alioth
[01:54] <viviersf> understand allee ?
[01:55] <allee> viviersf: is a missing service entry a bug?  bugfixes are still allowed ;)
[01:55] <allee> Tonio_: no problem.  Should I import that is on revu in the meantime?
[01:56] <Tonio_> allee: sure
[01:56] <allee> Tonio_: 'k.  Feel free to send me a diff when you make changes or checkin later ourself.
[01:57] <viviersf> no allee 
[01:58] <viviersf> service entry = feature
[01:59] <allee> viviersf: :(  I hoped to add codeine service menues.
[02:07] <Tonio_> allee: thanks for the missing knemorc profiles ;)
[02:07] <Tonio_> I still have stuff to do on k-d-s, I'll ad them :)
[02:14] <viviersf> heh allee 
[02:27] <jpatrick> Riddell: can I fix malone #4385 ?
[03:25] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[03:50] <Lathiat> whoah
[03:50] <Lathiat> how sweet is the new login
[03:51] <nlindblad> shots?
[03:53] <jpatrick> Lathiat: :)
[03:53] <Lathiat> nlindblad: try it yourself ;p
[03:53] <Lathiat> bit hard to get shots of the login process
[03:56] <jpatrick> nlindblad: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426 w00t
[03:56] <nlindblad> hi jpatrick
[03:57] <nlindblad> looks nice
[03:57] <nlindblad> but you see that screen for a second or two
[03:57] <nlindblad> so why theme it?
[03:57] <jpatrick> just nice?
[03:58] <jpatrick> nice is used to describe biscuits
[03:58] <freeflying> I have some question about kdm , who can help me 
[03:58] <nlindblad> freeflying: most people in this channel
[04:02] <freeflying> I just wonder wether kdm can select language before login 
[04:25] <jpatrick> right
[04:27] <Lathiat> anyone else noticed alt+drag window doesnt move it anymore?
[04:27] <jpatrick> does here (breezy :) )
[04:27] <Lathiat> i mean on dapper
[04:27] <Lathiat> did on breezy
[04:28] <freeflying> Lathiat: I have used it 5 hrs ago
[04:28] <seaLne> dosen't seem to work for me
[04:28] <freeflying> s/ago/before
[04:37] <nlindblad> Lathiat: it does here (Dapper)
[04:38] <Lathiat> seems to depend where you drag the window
[04:38] <Lathiat> before it blanket worked
[04:59] <jpatrick> as usual ;-)
[05:28] <jpatrick> re Lure 
[05:28] <Lure> hi jpatrick
[05:50] <kmon> hi
[05:52] <jpatrick> hello kmon and seth 
[05:52] <robotgeek> hey jpatrick kmon seth 
[05:52] <kmon> hi everybody
[05:53] <robotgeek> my external monitor just worked, i am so happy :)
[05:53] <jpatrick> kmon: fix was uploaded yesterday
[05:53] <kmon> jpatrick:  I've noticed
[05:54] <jpatrick> robotgeek: aren't most monitor's external?
[05:54] <robotgeek> jpatrick: from my laptop, i mean
[05:54] <jpatrick> :)
[05:54] <kmon> jpatrick: there are still some rough edges in kdm theme manager, but I believe it's an upstream issue
[05:54] <robotgeek> i can document in peace now
[05:54] <Lure> robotgeek: dual display?
[05:55] <robotgeek> Lure: hmm, no. just external monitor. i did not feel like mucking with xorg.conf
[05:55] <jpatrick> kmon: such as?
[05:55] <robotgeek> Lure: maybe a project for another day :)
[05:56] <Lure> robotgeek: I am waiting for new Display applet - it is supposed to have something
[05:56] <kmon> jpatrick: well, I seem unable to add the kdmthemes located in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/ I beleive this is because the applet is designed to load kdm themes from a tar.gz (or similar) package
[05:57] <robotgeek> Lure: ah, that would be very nice. i had to plug my external in when computer starts, otherwise monitor doesn't detect
[05:57] <jpatrick> kmon: add the theme using it's .desktop file
[05:57] <jpatrick> kmon: or .xml (can't remember which)
[05:57] <kmon> jpatrick: Also, One bug which could be fixed, is that If I open kdm theme applet in system settings, then enter admin mode and press the show all button in system settings and the again load the kdm theme applet and error message pop's out saying the applet was already opened in system settings.
[05:58] <jpatrick> kmon: that's for all modules
[05:58] <jpatrick> not my fault =)
[05:58] <kmon> jpatrick: I have to close system settings and open it again to access it
[05:58] <kmon> jpatrick: ohh, I see
[05:58] <kmon> jpatrick: Then it's a known bug
[05:58] <jpatrick> yes
[05:59] <kmon> jpatrick: system settings is very nive, but has some rough bugs
[05:59] <kmon> jpatrick: localization doesn't work very well
[06:00] <jpatrick> kdmtheme/system settings?
[06:00] <kmon> jpatrick:  system settings
[06:00] <kmon> jpatrick: many modules appear in english
[06:00] <jpatrick> yeah, known (need to translate)
[06:01] <kmon> jpatrick: ok. I can help there... I just need to get some time and get on with roseta
[06:02] <jpatrick> it's not in rosetta (yet)
[06:04] <kmon> does anyone know if the feature in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperRoadmap that says: "investigate best practice for kwallet to balance lack of intrusiveness with security." is planned for dapper or is a deferred goal?
[06:05] <kmon> One of the things I hate of using kwallet is that I have to enter a password for kopete. There should be an option to let some apps load the wallet without asking questions
[06:06] <Lathiat> therre is "always allow" you of course always need to put the password in once
[06:06] <Lathiat> iirc kopete has a bug
[06:06] <Lathiat> that keeps asking
[06:06] <jpatrick> not here
[06:07] <kmon> Lathiat: where's that option?
[06:08] <Lathiat> kmon: when it asks you to open the wallet, if you have to re-enter the apssword, thats different and possibly the bug i mentioned
[06:09] <kmon> my problem is that I don't want to be asked for a password for applications I've granted access to the wallet, for example: kontact or kopete
[06:09] <kmon> every time I log in kde, and launch kopete I have to enter the password
[06:09] <kmon> it's quite irritating
[06:09] <Tonio_> kmon: do you make usage of kwalletmanager ?
[06:10] <kmon> yes
[06:10] <Tonio_> okay
[06:10] <Tonio_> you set a password on the default wallet
[06:10] <Tonio_> if you want transparent acces, you have to set a blank password on the default wallet
[06:10] <Tonio_> that's the only solution
[06:10] <kmon> the thing is that once the wallet is loaded, I can launch other apps, (kontact) and I'm not asked for the password
[06:11] <Tonio_> that's normal because the wallet is opened
[06:11] <Tonio_> the problem is he opining of the wallet that prompts for a passwod
[06:11] <kmon> but I don't really want that solution, I want to be asked for the password on apps that aren't granted access to the wallet, otherwise no questions
[06:11] <Tonio_> so blank the password of the wallet "kdewallet" and you will not be prompted anymore
[06:11] <Tonio_> kmon: there is no other solution
[06:11] <Tonio_> hum
[06:11] <kmon> Tonio_: so... it's a bug or a feature?
[06:12] <jpatrick> neither
[06:12] <Tonio_> if an application isn't granted access
[06:12] <Tonio_> it will not acces to the wallet even if it is opened and blank password
[06:12] <kmon> ohh
[06:12] <kmon> I see
[06:12] <kmon> thanxs
[06:12] <Tonio_> you will have to grant acces once or definitly
[06:12] <Tonio_> that's a clean way to proceed :)
[06:13] <Tonio_> but I agree with you it would be nice to have a config option "if application granted, don't prompt for password"
[06:13] <Tonio_> that would be the best
[06:13] <kmon> Tonio_: that would be a nice addition
[06:13] <Tonio_> kmon: bugs.kde.org :)
[06:14] <Tonio_> post a feature request or vote if already exists !
[06:14] <kmon> Tonio_: ok, I'll do it later
[06:15] <kmon> another question: anyone has flash working with konqueror?
[06:15] <jpatrick> No
[06:15] <kmon> I've installed flashplugin-nonfree
[06:15] <kmon> but it's not workling
[06:16] <kmon> and also, I've installed the java 1.4 rte from blackdown (it's in universe) but I don't have a plugin for konqueror
[06:16] <kmon> I've already filed bugs
[06:16] <kmon> but I wanted to know if it's me or this happens to everyone
[06:17] <jpatrick> I'm waiting for Gnash to be ready
[06:17] <Tonio_> kmon: did you go in konqueror options and click "search for new plugins"?
[06:17] <kmon> Tonio_: yes
[06:17] <Tonio_> hum........
[06:17] <Tonio_> do you see flash in the plugins list ?
[06:18] <Tonio_> concerning java I would suggest you to install it within the plf repo or something, and install version 1.5, that way better that crappy 1?4
[06:19] <kmon> Tonio_: the flash plugin is not listed
[06:19] <Tonio_> kmon with package did you install ?
[06:19] <Tonio_> cause you have one with the plugin itself
[06:19] <kmon> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:20] <Tonio_> and another one with download the files to remotelly install it ;)
[06:20] <Tonio_> let me check
[06:20] <Tonio_> Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer
[06:20] <Tonio_> This package will download flash_linux.tar.gz archive from Macromedia (or mirror). It is useful for mozilla browser variants.
[06:20] <Tonio_> it is important to read the desc ;)
[06:21] <Tonio_> remove this one and install flashplugin-mozilla
[06:21] <Tonio_> this is the good one
[06:21] <kmon> it doesn't download anything:
[06:21] <kmon> avier@a1691:~$ sudo update-flashplugin
[06:21] <kmon> Password:
[06:21] <kmon> Checking new upstream release...
[06:21] <kmon> I: checking http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/macromedia/site_ucsc.html...
[06:21] <kmon> No new version is detected. ( = not installed)
[06:21] <Tonio_> flashplayer-mozilla ?
[06:21] <kmon> let's see...
[06:21] <Tonio_> flashplayer-mozilla install directly the plugin
[06:22] <kmon> ok, let's see...
[06:22] <kmon> Tonio_: now it works
[06:22] <kmon> Tonio_:  thanks
[06:27] <kmon> Tonio_: we are in feature freeze right? so there aren't going to be new packages/features from now on?
[06:28] <jpatrick> kmon: only bug fixes
[06:28] <kmon> jpatrick: so, I imagine kat will stay as it is now...
[06:28] <jpatrick> yes
[06:29] <kmon> and kde 3.5.2?
[06:30] <jpatrick> exception
[06:32] <kmon> nice
[06:34] <kmon> kdesu doesn't have a patch for not asking the password if it was entered oin 15 minutes like gksu has?
[06:51] <kmon> jpatrick: is there any way to configure konqueror's drag & drop to do a default action instead of asking everytime is I want to move a file, copy or link it?
[06:51] <jpatrick> not that I know of
[07:16] <jpatrick> hunger: you around mate?
[10:38] <Lure> Any idea how to properly fix this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/30301
[11:25] <verwilst> hello!
[11:25] <verwilst> anybody going to fosdem?