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sistpotymarcin`, ArmeBosse: 2027 is the right one to review?12:03
marcin`sistpoty: currently yes12:04
ArmeBosseno it's not the right one*12:04
sistpotymarcin`: what do you mean w. currently? another upload pending?12:04
marcin`ArmeBosse: do you really want your config.template.php ?12:04
marcin`sistpoty: just a moment12:04
sistpotymarcin`: sure12:05
ArmeBossethere's probably 2 different package from 2 people if we continue12:05
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marcin`ArmeBosse: is there something else different than this postinst script?12:06
ArmeBosseoh yes, i can send you a diff12:06
marcin`ok12:06
ArmeBossethere's 16 files changed from previous upload12:07
ArmeBosseno 1312:07
marcin`?12:07
marcin`no way...12:07
marcin`you count these removed files that are related with 'themes' ?12:07
ajmitch_morning all12:08
ArmeBossejust a diff and count how many files12:08
marcin`ArmeBosse: I ask about difference between package on your website12:08
marcin`ArmeBosse: and this one that is currently in revu12:08
ArmeBossei talk about previous upload12:09
ArmeBosseajmitch_: hi12:09
marcin`ArmeBosse: I got /debian directory from your current package12:09
ArmeBossesvn is the real one synced12:10
marcin`heh need to learn svn12:10
LaserJockhi ajmitch_12:10
marcin`can you tell me how to checkout this now?12:10
ArmeBossejust read the page12:10
marcin`ajmitch_: hello12:11
ArmeBossehttp://vtigerforge.fosslabs.com/scm/?group_id=2012:11
marcin`ok got it12:12
marcin`just a sec12:12
marcin`anyway I think that sistpoty could take a look on vtiger now12:12
marcin`time is running12:13
marcin`and I'm almost sure that the only thing that could be different is this postinst script12:13
tepsipakkiajmitch: I was told that you have main privs? Do you have time to look at libnfsidmap? Simple task ;)12:13
ArmeBossemarcin`: you're wrong12:14
ajmitch_tepsipakki: yes I do have upload privileges, no I don't have time12:14
marcin`ArmeBosse: my password doesn't work12:14
ArmeBossehttp://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=2026&upid2=202712:14
marcin`ArmeBosse: need to checkout anonymous12:14
ArmeBosseif you don't know your pass, you can't put polish lang12:15
tepsipakkiajmitch: ok, np12:15
sistpotytepsipakki: btw.: is this a new upstream version?12:16
ArmeBossemarcin`: http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=2026&upid2=202712:16
marcin`ArmeBosse: I can log to polish lang as admin12:16
marcin`ArmeBosse: and I know my password but this pass doesn;t work with svn for ubuntu package12:16
ArmeBossesame pass12:16
ArmeBosseuse 3 times12:17
tepsipakkisistpoty: yes12:17
ArmeBossesame pass12:17
ArmeBosselike alioth12:17
marcin`shit... I also forgot about header in 'copyright'12:17
sistpotytepsipakki: you'll need to request an UVF-exception as well (just in case you haven't done so yet)12:17
ArmeBosseUVF exception ?12:17
tepsipakkisistpoty: done already12:17
sistpotygood12:17
marcin`ArmeBosse: no 'package was debianized by..." and my credentials12:18
marcin`ArmeBosse: I added these additional licenses but forgot to change header12:18
sistpotyArmeBosse: UpstreamVersionFreeze was some time ago, that means new upstream version for existing packages need prior approval12:18
ArmeBossek12:18
ArmeBossemarcin`: you don't seem to look same diff file12:19
marcin`I look on this *202712:21
marcin`we need to synchronize in 100%12:22
marcin`I'll be ready12:22
marcin`in 10 minutes12:22
marcin`sistpoty: are you here?12:22
sistpotymarcin`: yes12:23
marcin`sistpoty: short question12:23
marcin`sistpoty: we need to synchronize some changes but I also got more general question12:23
sistpotygo ahead then ;)12:24
marcin`sistpoty: we have some not so important differences between ArmeBosse repo and mine12:24
marcin`sistpoty: but there is one important thing12:24
marcin`sistpoty: in vtigercrm-mysql-local we need to create /etc/vtigercrm/config.inc.php file12:24
marcin`sistpoty: we do this in *.postinst script but in different way12:25
ArmeBossei'll bet and win ;)12:25
marcin`sistpoty: ArmeBosse has debian/config.template.php file12:25
marcin`sistpoty: and he want's to install this file in /etc/vtigercrm/12:25
marcin`sistpoty: from 'rules' script12:26
ArmeBossehe can look previous package12:26
marcin`sistpoty: and then use this template to as input to generate /etc/vtigercrm/config.inc.php12:26
ArmeBossehttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=202612:26
marcin`sistpoty: hmm I'm lost now maybe previous...12:26
marcin`ArmeBosse: right12:27
marcin`sistpoty: so there you can take a look at ArmeBosse way12:27
marcin`sistpoty: and in current  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=202712:27
marcin`sistpoty: you can take a look at my way in .postinst12:27
sistpotyphew... before I take a look... just a questions, maybe it solves the issue12:28
marcin`sistpoty: I create config.template.php on the fly with mktmp and it goes to /tmp12:28
marcin`sistpoty: and then I use this file as input for postinst - and remove on the end12:28
marcin`sistpoty: question is - which solution is better12:28
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sistpotymarcin`, ArmeBosse: if you install that file under /etc... is creating the actual config from it repeatable (as in calling a command and get a config from it)?12:29
marcin`sistpoty: will you complain on ArmeBosse way?12:29
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ArmeBosserepeatable yes via dpkg-reconfigure12:29
sistpotyonly config-files should actually go to /etc/... if the template doesn't fulfill the meaning of a config-file, it shouldn't be there12:30
ArmeBosserule / debian policy to refer to please ?12:30
sistpotybut in the case, that an admin has the possibility to change the template and easily create a new (actual) config-file from it, it sounds like a good solution to me12:30
sistpotyArmeBosse: probably in fhs... or in debian-policy where it says about config-files... would need to look myself12:31
ArmeBossemy point of view:12:31
ArmeBossefor me it must be readable and maintainable12:31
marcin`ArmeBosse: heh and I missed README.Debian... need to change my build scripts...12:32
ArmeBossea postinst is postinst and not a template12:32
ArmeBossemarcin`: you missed many things12:32
marcin`ArmeBosse: but user should not maintain *.template.inc12:32
ArmeBosseif i need to change the template i don't want to touch postinst file12:33
ArmeBossefrom my point a view a non sense12:33
ArmeBosseuser no, user don't touche /etc12:33
marcin`ArmeBosse: the thing is that user shouldn't touch template.php at all12:33
ArmeBosseadmin yes12:33
marcin`ArmeBosse: ok - not user - admin12:34
marcin`ArmeBosse: but if admin - then stil he should touch config.inc.php - not template.php12:34
ArmeBossei want to use dbconfig facility12:35
sistpotyArmeBosse: neither fsh nor debian-policy seem to provide exhaustive information on this12:35
ArmeBosseyes in general, it's to admin point of view12:36
sistpotyonly thing in fhs is: /etc contains configuration files and directories that are specific to the current system.12:36
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sistpotyso the question is: is this used to configure s.th. or just a template, which an admin can use as *template* to write his config-file from12:36
marcin`sistpoty: it's just template12:37
ArmeBossenot for me :)12:37
ArmeBossehehe12:37
marcin`sistpoty: but in fact it's not for admin - postinst uses this file as input to generate config.php12:37
sistpotyok, ArmeBosse, with your solution I could dpkg-reconfigure and would have a new config-file, right?12:37
ArmeBosseanyway i'll keep it like this in debian package as we can't find consensus12:38
ArmeBosseyes12:38
sistpotyok... then to marcin`'s solution12:38
marcin`sistpoty: yes with his solution you end with two files in /etc/vtiger12:38
marcin`sistpoty: with /etc/vtigercrm/config.inc.php and config.template.php12:38
sistpotymarcin`: you create the actual config on the fly in postinst, right?12:38
marcin`sistpoty: right12:39
sistpotymarcin`: so you don't need another file... but what happens if the user changed the config-file himself?12:39
marcin`in fact out solution are simmilar12:39
sistpotymarcin`: will it get overwritten?12:39
sistpoty(on upgrading for example=12:40
marcin`hmm propably dpkg will ask if it should be overwritten or not12:40
ArmeBosselol12:40
sistpotymarcin`: so you have the config-file itself *inside* the package and modify it during postinst?12:40
marcin`sistpoty: yes because we need to put some info about database there12:41
marcin`sistpoty: ArmeBosse solution does the same thing with the same tool12:41
marcin`sistpoty: the only difference is that he puts his template file to /etc/vtigercrm12:41
marcin`sistpoty: and it stays there12:42
sistpotymarcin`: that's wrong... you cannot modify a file during postinst, that's a conffile inside the package (and this is part of the policy)12:42
marcin`sistpoty: after installation12:42
marcin`sistpoty: while I put my file in /tmp and remove after postinst will create /etc/vtigercrm/config.php12:42
ArmeBosseconfig.inc.php12:43
marcin`yes config.inc.php12:43
sistpotymarcin`: so /etc/vtigercrm/config.php is *not* part of the package?12:43
marcin`no12:43
sistpotyok12:43
marcin`as I said - our solutions are almost identidal12:43
ArmeBosseof source package you mean ?12:43
sistpotymarcin`: but the issue still remains: what if an admin changes /etc/vtigercrm/config.php... will it get overwritten (e.g. on upgrade) or not?12:44
marcin`sistpoty: it will if admin will let to do this12:44
marcin`sistpoty: I don't understand this question12:44
marcin`sistpoty: if you got some file in etc and you change this file then postinst will ask you what to do with config - keep/overwrite/show diff12:45
marcin`sistpoty: right?12:45
marcin`sistpoty: thing is you got two solutions:12:45
sistpotymarcin`: if it's a conffile (i.e. *inside* the package) dpkg will do it for you12:45
sistpotymarcin`: if it's created during postinst, you'll need to make this sure for yourself12:46
marcin`sistpoty: 1. install debian/template.php to /etc/vtiger/template.php -> run postinst and use template.php to create /etc/vtiger/config.php12:47
ArmeBosseusing dbconfig-common12:48
ArmeBosse1 is me ;)12:48
marcin`sistpoty: 2. create temporary template in tmp/template.php -> run postinst and use tmp/template.php to create /etc/vtiger/config.php -> clean tmp/template.php12:48
sistpotymarcin`, ArmeBosse: there is no such thing as "the right way" for it...12:49
marcin`we both use the same script to generate config.inc.php but different sources12:49
sistpotymarcin`: with 2. you'll need to ensure that admin-changes aren't lost (for 1. as well, but it's not so bad, if the created file get's overwritten imo)12:50
marcin`and the only one 'visible' difference is that ArmeBosse keeps his template.php in /etc and I clean it12:50
ArmeBossesistpoty: i know just we're not agree between us ;)12:50
sistpotyhehe12:50
ArmeBossedismissed !!!12:50
ArmeBosselike MTV program12:50
sistpotyimo, 1. is s.th. that's more handy for an site-admin, since he can always change the template and regenerate the config-file from it12:51
marcin`ArmeBosse: well the thing is that it's not the problem for me how this config.php is createt12:51
marcin`created12:51
marcin`ArmeBosse: I like this template.php too12:51
ArmeBosseso wher's the problem ?12:51
marcin`ArmeBosse: but I think that we should clean this file from /etc12:51
sistpotyso I would personally go for 1.... but as stated before, there is "right"/"wrong" way for both of it12:51
marcin`ArmeBosse: in my opinion in /etc/ should be only 'real' config not template+config12:52
ArmeBossesistpoty: an other think, i'm also upstream and debian maintainer, and keep this like that. just ubuntu package is "collaborative", so fork the solution or not12:53
marcin`ArmeBosse: unfortunately dbconfig-common script apparently doesn't support relative paths so we need to put this template file somewhere12:53
sistpotymarcin`: exim4 does it (similar) to ArmeBosse's solution... you have /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template, and can call a script to generate the actual configuration files from it12:53
sistpotymarcin`: imo a template from which a config-file can be created is a config-file as well12:54
sistpotybut anyways... I stated what thing I'd prefer... both seem "right" as long as they respect 10.7 from debian-policy12:55
marcin`okidoki12:55
marcin`it will be ArmeBosse's solution in package12:56
ArmeBossean issue resolved12:56
marcin`need to copy these differences carefully12:56
ArmeBossealleluia12:56
marcin`ArmeBosse: :)12:56
sistpotyhehe... luckily you didn't disagree on wether to use cdbs or debhelper *g*12:56
marcin`ArmeBosse: and we are sure that sistpoty will accept this postinst ;)12:56
ArmeBossemust ajmitch_ turn ;)12:56
ajmitch_?12:57
ArmeBossesistpoty: my original package was debhelper :)12:57
ArmeBossetheme issue :)12:57
marcin`sistpoty: cdbs was my part12:57
ArmeBosseyou don't know yet ?12:57
sistpotyd'oh *g*12:57
ArmeBosse :)12:57
ArmeBosseajmitch_: you seems busy, don't know if we can disturb you12:58
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ArmeBossehehe12:58
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marcin`ArmeBosse: ok I will start to upload in 5 minutes01:08
ArmeBosseok01:09
ArmeBossehow many diffs ?01:09
marcin`hmm few01:09
marcin`copyright01:09
ArmeBossethan svn01:09
ArmeBosseor 202701:09
marcin`svn01:10
marcin`copyright, rules, config.template.php - I think that's all01:10
ArmeBossehave you commit your changes ?01:10
marcin`not yet01:10
ArmeBossek01:10
marcin`btw my svn doesn't work...01:10
ArmeBosselang you mean ?01:11
marcin`I mean developer svn with my password01:11
marcin`no - ubuntu package01:11
ArmeBosse3 times same password like alioth01:12
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marcin`ArmeBosse: lang too01:12
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marcin`ArmeBosse: aaah so I need to put my password 3 times :) ?01:13
marcin`cool - good to know ;)01:13
ArmeBosseyes :)01:13
raphinkkey pairs are useful for such things sometimes ;)01:14
raphinkin order to NOT put your password, 3 times01:14
ArmeBossealso01:14
ajmitch_or just having a non-broken setup01:14
raphinkmhm01:15
sistpotyhey raphink01:15
raphinkhi sistpoty01:15
raphinkI'm just passing through01:15
LaserJockajmitch_: ? having to put in your password 3 times is a broken setup?01:15
raphinkabout to go to bed and ready through the REVU2 spec and classes ;)01:15
sistpotyraphink: great news :)01:15
sistpotyhi LaserJock01:15
raphink:)01:15
ArmeBosseajmitch_: gforge issue no ?01:15
ajmitch_LaserJock: if it's entering the same password 3 times in a row, then something is wrong01:16
ajmitch_ArmeBosse: probably01:16
raphinkHi Laserjock <><01:16
dholbachgood night01:16
sistpotygn8 dholbach01:16
ajmitch_night dholbach01:16
LaserJockhi sistpoty01:16
raphinkhi dholbach01:16
LaserJockbye dholbach01:16
ArmeBossebye dholbach01:16
dholbachnight guys - you rock!01:16
LaserJockhi raphink <><01:16
raphink:)01:16
LaserJockajmitch_: well, on svn.debian.org I have to do it at least twice because of ssh and svn01:17
raphinkhuhu01:18
LaserJockI thought that was common for svn+ssh01:18
ArmeBossecommon with gforge01:18
ArmeBosse3 or 4 ;) and probably 501:19
LaserJockhmm, that seems a bit excessive01:19
sistpotyhi ogra01:20
raphinkhi ogra01:20
ograhey01:20
raphink:)=01:21
marcin`ArmeBosse: vtigercrm goes to revu01:21
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raphinkit's a nice place to be :)01:21
ArmeBosseraphink: revu tools are available on dapper ? or i must add universe repo ?01:21
raphinkArmeBosse: it's available in dapper universe01:21
ajmitch_hello ogra01:21
raphinkand you probably have to edit /usr/bin/revu-build and change PBUILDERNAME to "sudo pbuilder"01:22
ajmitch_raphink: have you documented revu-tools?01:22
raphinkajmitch_: yes, on the wiki01:22
ajmitch_raphink: I mean in the package01:22
ajmitch_since people can use it offline01:22
raphinkajmitch_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU/REVU-Tools01:22
raphinkajmitch_: oooh01:22
raphinkajmitch_: well there are short help messages with --help01:23
ajmitch_raphink: since every binary/script must have a man page, right? ;)01:23
raphinkand manuals01:23
raphink:)01:23
ajmitch_and it wouldn't have been advocated without them, right?01:23
raphinkman revu-{report, build, orig}01:23
raphinksure ;)01:23
ajmitch_so is all the info on the wiki in the package?01:23
raphinkrevu-review doesn't have a manpage yet though. I forgot to make one, I will add it in 0.601:23
raphinknot all of them no01:24
raphinkthe manpages are a bit more concise01:24
sistpotyajmitch_: well, we weren't that strict on one or two missing manpages lately ;)01:24
raphinkbut they explain how to use the commands01:24
raphinksistpoty: I'm usually strict on manpages ;)01:25
raphinkso I am to be with myself, too01:25
sistpotyraphink: I'm usually as well, though I did some uploads the last days w. missing manpages (if this was the only problem)01:25
raphinkajmitch_: you can have a look at the man pages for revu-{build,orig,report}01:25
ajmitch_sistpoty: it depends on how far we allow standards to slip :)01:25
raphinksistpoty: hehe01:26
raphinkwe want the best stuff in01:26
sistpotywell, I guess I'll file bugs on the packages that are passed the new-queue... then we can see if the maintainer actually cares ;)01:26
ajmitch_sistpoty: sure, including some of mine ;)01:26
sistpotyI didn't upload packages from you ajmitch_ ;)01:27
sistpotyoh... gmult is ready to go (but needs another advocacy)... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=200101:28
ajmitch_I still have to fix up a number of bugs01:28
raphinkajmitch_: e.g. http://raphink.net/debian/mans/revu-report.html01:29
raphinkajmitch_: do you think that's clear enough?01:31
ajmitch_raphink: maybe01:31
raphinkmaybe ;)01:31
raphinklol01:31
raphinkok01:31
ArmeBossemarcin`: something strange orig.tar.gz changed01:33
ArmeBosseconfig.php typo problem01:35
LaserJockheah, can a REVU admin nuke gaussum?01:35
marcin`config.php where?01:35
raphinkLaserJock: sure, why?01:36
ArmeBossecopyright line 1 no mail01:36
ArmeBossewhich we provide01:36
raphinkLaserJock: why should it be nuked?01:36
LaserJockraphink: I took the ITP over and got it into Debian and it is in the sync queue right now so that upload is obsolete01:36
ArmeBossevtiger-crm in comments01:37
raphinkLaserJock: ok01:37
ArmeBossedirs no / needed at the en of path01:37
ArmeBosserules: find $(WEBAPPDIR) -name "*.jpg" -perm /a+x -exec chmod a-x {} \;01:38
LaserJockraphink: that's the second email you sent :-)01:38
ArmeBosseno lintian warning about jpg ?01:39
marcin`dont know need to build it01:39
ajmitch_LaserJock: becoming a high-flying debian maintainer now, are we? :)01:39
LaserJockajmitch_: heck yeah ;-)01:39
ajmitch_LaserJock: it pays well?01:39
ArmeBossere add version comment in sql file please01:40
LaserJockajmitch_: actually it was much easier than I thought it would be. Especially for the package that I put on REVU and got uploaded to Universe first01:40
LaserJockajmitch_: It took a whole 2 days to get somebody to upload it to NEW01:40
ajmitch_that's pretty good01:40
ajmitch_depends on the sponsor, though01:40
ajmitch_some of us can be pretty slack01:41
LaserJockChrisH01:41
ajmitch_right01:41
ArmeBosse(2006 key) in your name is not needed01:41
LaserJockbut with gausssum I took over the ITP for the guy and had to do some tweaking so it took a bit longer. So now I have 2 packages in Debian which I think is pretty awesome.01:42
sistpotyLaserJock: yes... I've got only two packages in ubuntu so far ;)01:43
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LaserJockwell, for the most part I really try to aviod packaging new programs from scratch. I feel like Universe needs enough work  that I shouldn't spend all my time packaging new stuff.01:44
LaserJockbut I appreciate those who do01:44
raphinkLaserJock: the second email I sent ??01:45
ArmeBossemarcin`: i confirm there's a change in orig.tar.gz01:45
raphinkwhat are you talking about LaserJock ?01:45
LaserJockraphink: yeah, on the 15th you had an almost identical comment  on gausssum01:45
raphinkLaserJock: really?01:46
LaserJockyeah01:46
raphinkoh yeah right01:46
ajmitch_raphink: explain this..01:46
ajmitch_* Keep only one entry in debian/changelog till this package is released officially.01:46
raphinkwell I guess that shows it's just me ;)01:46
raphinkajmitch_: well there's no need to talk about the new upstream version since it was never released in Ubuntu yet01:46
raphinkajmitch_: so only 5.3 should be listed in the changelog imo01:47
ajmitch_raphink: so? it's still fine to leave in that info01:47
raphink5.2 having only been produced on revu01:47
ajmitch_raphink: I'm just going to have to disagree with you01:47
raphinkajmitch_: not what I was told by other MOTUs when I was reviewed in the past ;)01:47
raphinkajmitch_: sure you can disagree :)01:47
marcin`ArmeBosse: I'm not sure if I'll be able to sign this package if I'll remove (2006 key)01:47
raphinkand I'm fine with having your point01:47
ajmitch_raphink: sure, but I can still think you're wrong :)01:47
LaserJockhmm, I can see including previous upstream releases but I think it is nice if it doesn't go in a 0ubuntu30 or something01:48
raphinkajmitch_: some months ago, I was explained that it was better to only keep the entries for official releases in the changelog01:48
ArmeBossemarcin`: don't know too01:48
raphinkso users don't begin to search for the other versions in the archives01:48
raphinkif they were never released01:48
ajmitch_how many users would know to look in a changelog & try & hunt down other versions?01:49
ajmitch_it's not exactly going to be a common activity01:49
raphinkajmitch_: the point being that when I see a 0ubuntu5 in Ubuntu I expect there was a 0ubuntu{1-4} released before01:49
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ajmitch_especially as released versions get removed from the archive as well01:49
raphinkajmitch_: I would01:49
ajmitch_s/released/uploaded/01:49
raphinkdevelopers would01:49
raphinkand it's pretty useful to have reliable versionning for this reason01:49
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raphinkhehe01:50
raphinkwhen I'm hunting for bugs for example01:50
raphinkand I see ina  changelog `unstable`01:50
ajmitch_working in MOTU just isn't fun like it used to be01:50
raphinkI try to find tracks of the package in Debian01:50
raphinkwhich seems logical01:50
ajmitch_raphink: if there were multiple versions uploaded to dapper, only 1 will still be there01:50
ajmitch_so you can't search through that history01:50
raphinkunless someone released it as part of `unstable` unofficially, and there's no way to know where01:51
raphinkajmitch_: sure on LP I can01:51
LaserJockraphink: I can understand your point but you sacrifice having a true change log01:51
ajmitch_if someone uploaded it to unstable, then it will be removed on a newer upload01:51
raphinkand on changelogs.ubuntu.com too01:51
raphinkthankfully01:51
ajmitch_raphink: that package is still *gone*01:51
raphinkLaserJock: depends how you see it'01:51
ajmitch_removing info just because you like a cleaner changelog is still wrong, imho01:51
raphinknot just because I like cleaner changelog ajmitch_01:52
raphinkbut because a prerelease change is not a real change for users01:52
ajmitch_I don't know why I bother01:52
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raphinkajmitch_: hehe ;)01:53
sistpotyactually I second ajmitch_'s opinion...01:53
raphinkajmitch_: don't get me wrong I get your point01:53
LaserJockmaybe we should have an Ubuntu vacation when Dapper is released :-)01:53
raphink:)01:53
sistpotythough I don't think we should encourage ppl. to do a new version *only* for revu01:53
raphinkLaserJock: hehe01:53
sistpoty(or rather disencourage them)01:53
ajmitch_LaserJock: I'm having a long-term ubuntu vacation at the moment01:53
ajmitch_LaserJock: and I've got no real incentive to finish it01:53
LaserJockajmitch_: how long? still in AU01:53
ajmitch_LaserJock: yes I'm still in .au, and I'll probably keep away from MOTU after that as well01:54
iipinglo guys can u tell me what ui can use gstreamer01:55
raphinkiiping: what ui?01:55
LaserJockajmitch_: well, we will miss you, but I can understand.01:55
iipinglike totem or kaffeine? other ui01:55
raphinkajmitch_: after what?01:55
LaserJockiiping: you seem to know already ;-)01:56
ArmeBossemarcin`: in 5 minutes i'll go sleeping, if you can put a last package01:57
ajmitch_raphink: after I get back to NZ01:57
sistpotymarcin`, ArmeBosse: why is there a strict dependency on php4? doesn't vtigercrm work with libapache[2] -mod-php4 as well?01:57
raphinkajmitch_: hmm ok although I guess there's a reason01:57
iipingis there other alternative ui for gstreamer. i am having problem with totem and kaffeine on the sub title options01:57
ajmitch_sistpoty: php4 depends on libapache2-mod-php4 | libapache-mod-php401:58
ajmitch_| hph4-cgi01:58
LaserJockiiping: you should probably try #ubuntu, this isn't a support channel.01:58
sistpotyajmitch_: but libapache-mod-php4 doesn't depend on php401:58
iipingok01:58
marcin`ArmeBosse: I confirm that orig could change01:58
marcin`ArmeBosse: and it's ok01:59
marcin`ArmeBosse: next upload will go to revu in 3 min.01:59
sistpotyajmitch_: ah, got it... it's a meta-package... thought this was the cli01:59
ArmeBossecould or have changed ?01:59
ajmitch_sistpoty: circular dependencies are bad :)01:59
marcin`ArmeBosse: this was because as I said - there was no orig.tar.gz on your website01:59
sistpotyajmitch_: indeed02:00
marcin`ArmeBosse: and raphink did one from tar.gz02:00
marcin`ArmeBosse: so it could be different02:00
ArmeBossei already gives you right url in debian dir02:00
marcin`?02:01
ArmeBosseand you must justified why there's a diff with upstream source archive02:01
ArmeBosse23:56 < ArmeBosse> http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/vtigercrm/vtigercrm_4.2.3.orig.tar.gz02:01
ArmeBosse2h ago02:02
raphinkmarcin`: no I didn't do one from tar.gz02:02
marcin`ArmeBosse: ok but what's the problem?02:02
raphinkI got the debian/ back from tar.gz02:02
marcin`ArmeBosse: are these file really different?02:02
raphinkand used the orig.tar.gz that you gave me02:03
marcin`ArmeBosse: or have just different md5?02:03
raphinkto generate the diff and dsc02:03
ArmeBosseyou provide a different original source archive02:03
raphinkas should have been02:03
sistpotymarcin`: different md5sum's is bad, if there is no *real* reason to repackage the tarball02:03
marcin`it was accident02:03
marcin`forget about it02:03
sistpotymarcin`: we can never sync a version (same upstream version) from unstable, if the orig.tar.gz isn't bit-identical02:04
ArmeBossei'm not motu so you don't listen to me ;)02:04
ajmitch_ArmeBosse: don't worry, being a MOTU is no guarantee of that either ;)02:04
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ArmeBossehehe second one that tell me this02:04
marcin`ArmeBosse: ok - tell me how do you create orig?02:06
ajmitch_LaserJock: I see you had an overwhelming response of 7 votes to your poll02:06
LaserJockajmitch_: really, I haven't looked at it so far.02:06
ArmeBossedownload from url02:06
ajmitch_yeah, modifying the merge list code won out 5-202:06
ajmitch_LaserJock: 7 isn't too bad considering the number of active motus02:06
marcin`what url???02:06
marcin`is there tar.gz in vtiger.com somewhere?02:07
sistpotyoh... poll is over? damn, seems like I'd need to code then ;)02:07
ArmeBosse23:56 < ArmeBosse> http://fboudra.free.fr/debian/vtigercrm/vtigercrm_4.2.3.orig.tar.gz02:07
ajmitch_sistpoty: sorry :)02:07
LaserJockajmitch_: well, I had hoped for more but 7 is better than the 3 that were at the MOTU meeting ;-)02:07
ArmeBossemust be : 8336550 2006-02-19 21:31 vtigercrm_4.2.3.orig.tar.gz02:08
sistpotyajmitch_: np, I'll do a very dirty hack (once again) *g*02:08
lionelpsistpoty: can you check http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2030, Raphlink has ever Advocated and i am looking for a second02:08
sistpotylionelp: few minutes02:08
lionelpnp02:08
LaserJockhmm, I wonder who the other "no coordination" vote was ;-)02:09
sistpotyArmeBosse, marcin`: I'd like to see the text-files in XTemplate and JPGraph in /usr/share/doc/<package> (or symlinked there)... at least the QPL (which imo should be in debian/copyright as well)02:09
sistpoty(the files installed in the package actually)02:10
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marcin`ArmeBosse: ok mine is differen02:10
marcin`t02:10
marcin`ArmeBosse: how do you create your orig?02:10
ArmeBossenot in the policy :) must be in copyright02:10
ajmitch_sistpoty: dirty hacks get us through a release cycle :)02:11
ajmitch_sistpoty: reminds me that I have to do dirty, ugly & nasty hacks for unmet deps like I promised02:11
ArmeBossemarcin`: from vtiger.com then dh_make02:11
raphinkgood night all02:11
sistpotyajmitch_: well, siretart's list is quite good atm02:11
ajmitch_sistpoty: sure, I don't mind using that for now02:12
sistpotyajmitch_: but feel free to provide a better solution, even if it's a dirty hack ;)02:12
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LaserJockI don't know that I've ever seen a clean hack02:12
sistpotywell said02:13
marcin`sistpoty: QPL is already in copyright02:13
=== sistpoty looks again
marcin`sistpoty: THE Q PUBLIC LICENSE02:13
sistpotymarcin`: ah, found it02:14
ajmitch_LaserJock: some hacks are elegantly clean02:15
ajmitch_a 'hack' doesn't mean that it's dirty02:15
sistpotymarcin`: maybe you could add a line explaining the acronyms in debian/copyright at the beginning?02:15
marcin`sistpoty: I think ArmeBosse will do this better02:16
marcin`sistpoty: he is involved in vtiger upstream02:16
marcin`sistpoty: and they are fighting with licenses all the time02:16
sistpotymarcin`: just change "QPL can be found at" to "QPL (Q Public License) can be found at"02:17
sistpotymarcin`: but it's ok for me the way it is as well02:17
marcin`ok I'll try with next upload02:17
ArmeBosseextra-time02:18
marcin`btw I uploaded new package to revu few minutes ago02:18
marcin`ArmeBosse: have absolutely NO idea why there is no your mail in copyright02:18
LaserJockajmitch_: hmm, I suppose. I've never written one (not that I write much code), but I imagine the exist somewhere02:18
marcin`I got this mail in deb packages02:18
ArmeBosseyour script ?02:19
marcin`there is no scirpt that could change this02:19
ArmeBosseif write file and do just a debuild, you can't drop my mail02:20
marcin`I can tell you more02:20
marcin`this mail is in diff file!02:20
ArmeBosseyou use patch ?02:21
marcin`no just pbuilder02:21
marcin`http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/vtigercrm-0602232010/vtigercrm_4.2.3-0ubuntu1.diff.gz02:21
marcin`it's there02:21
marcin`I mean this mail02:22
marcin`I don;t know why this is in http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=2028&upid2=2031 here02:22
sistpotymarcin`: if you look at debdiffs in the browser, they are treated as html... so < and > are taken as tags (known revu-bug)02:23
marcin`ArmeBosse: see!02:24
ajmitch_marcin`: what license is FPDF under? 'freeware' can cover many proprietary licenses02:24
ajmitch_http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/vtigercrm-0602232010/vtigercrm-4.2.3/debian/copyright has the email addresses02:24
marcin`please guys - don't ask me about licenses02:24
LaserJockajmitch_: apparently it is basically Public Domain. It doesn't really have a license. I asked earlier ;-)02:24
marcin`-> ArmeBosse02:24
ajmitch_LaserJock: that must be clarified then02:25
LaserJockajmitch_: That is what I thought, but they had bigger issues at the time02:25
ajmitch_LaserJock: no license is implicitly undistributable, unless there's an explicit statement to the contrary02:25
ArmeBossemarcin`: orig.tar.gz different02:25
ArmeBossemarcin`: copyright your mail was dropped02:25
marcin`ArmeBosse: moment02:25
LaserJockajmitch_: exactly02:25
marcin`ArmeBosse: read what sistpoty wrote a minute ago02:26
ArmeBosseajmitch_: probably must add what's is in FAQ02:26
marcin`ArmeBosse: <> are taken as html tags in revu02:26
ArmeBosse?02:27
ArmeBossejust one02:27
ArmeBossenot others ?02:27
sistpotythe debdiffs from revu are actually just a "plain" debdiff... you could dl that and use right away, but the browser will render it as html02:27
ArmeBossei download tar.gz dsc and diff and extract them02:28
ArmeBossewith dpkg-source02:28
ArmeBosseajmitch_: FPDF is Freeware (it is stated at the beginning of the source file). There is no usage restriction. You may embed it freely in your application (commercial or not), with or without modification. You may redistribute it, too.02:29
ArmeBossemarcin`: we can add this notice02:29
ajmitch_ArmeBosse: that's great, it needs to be in there02:29
ArmeBossefrom FAQ, must be mentionned02:30
ArmeBossehttp://www.fpdf.org/en/FAQ.php#102:30
ArmeBosseand my comments in mysql file missing :)02:30
marcin`ArmeBosse: I don't get it - you take *.zip from vtiger.com - and then what you do to get *.orig.tar.gz?02:31
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marcin`ArmeBosse: how do you perform zip->tar.gz?02:31
crimsundolson: indeed (RE: PAM) :)02:32
crimsund'oh, I missed Daniel again02:32
ajmitch_hi crimsun02:32
ArmeBossethe problem comes from your source : modules\reports\lang...02:33
sistpotyhi crimsun02:33
ArmeBosseyou have probably edited a file02:33
ArmeBosseand a tmpf file was introduced02:33
crimsun'lo ajmitch_, sistpoty :)02:33
marcin`ArmeBosse: I?02:33
LaserJockhi crimsun02:34
marcin`ArmeBosse: are you talking to me about this modules/reports/lang?02:34
ArmeBossehttp://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/vtigercrm/vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz?download02:34
crimsun'lo LaserJock :)02:34
ArmeBosseoriginal file02:34
ArmeBosseyes02:34
marcin`ArmeBosse: it istn't mentioned on vtiger.com02:35
marcin`ArmeBosse: on vtiger.com link goes to *zip02:35
sistpotylionelp: you should also use the exact file you downloaded as orig.tar.gz02:36
marcin`ArmeBosse: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/vtigercrm/vtiger_CRM_4_2_Source.zip?download02:36
ArmeBossehttp://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/vtigercrm/vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz?download02:36
sistpotylionelp: but if this is the only issue, I'll exchange it myself before uploading ;)02:36
ArmeBosseus too ;)02:36
marcin`ArmeBosse: propably this difference is between zip and tar.gz from vtiger.com02:37
ArmeBosseso you've got an extra file in modules Reports language02:37
ArmeBosseno02:37
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ArmeBosseremove en_us*~02:37
lionelpsistpoty: you mean just mv the original tar.gz ?02:38
sistpotylionelp: exactly02:38
ArmeBossei can't stay anymore 2:38 am02:38
sistpotylionelp: there is another issue: your debian/copyright needs to mention every file from a different author/under a different copyright, e.g. md5.c02:38
sistpotylionelp: and the according license02:39
ArmeBosseyou know the issue :02:39
ArmeBossehttp://www.fpdf.org/en/FAQ.php#102:39
ArmeBosseacronym02:39
ArmeBosseorig.tar.gz02:39
ArmeBossemy comments in sql file02:39
ArmeBosseyou mail in copyright dropped02:40
sistpotylionelp: but apart from that, gastman is fine, so please change these two issues ;)02:40
ArmeBossejsut that :)02:41
marcin`ArmeBosse: please explain a little more02:41
ArmeBosseabout ?02:41
lionelpsistpoty: i start changing02:41
sistpotyok02:41
ArmeBossemy boss will kill me tomorrow morning ...02:42
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marcin`1. I just downloaded tar.gz from vtiger.com02:42
lionelpsistpoty: in the copyright, i should mention : md5.c : gnagna, the rest :02:42
lionelpsistpoty: when is the deadline for the latest update in revu ?02:43
marcin`ArmeBosse: so if you removed en_us~ then you got wrong orig02:43
sistpotylionelp: just make sure to mention the exact licenses and what files are covered02:43
marcin`ArmeBosse: because this file is there02:43
ArmeBossemarcin you have downloaded my file too and it's the exact orig file02:43
ArmeBosseso i think it's not the orig file the problem02:43
sistpotylionelp: there is no exact deadline, actually we're in a grayzone right now already ;)02:43
ArmeBossebut the extra file that you have02:44
lionelpi know, that was why i asked02:44
ArmeBosseif you have verified the size that i gave you ...02:44
marcin`I'll try to find why there is a difference02:44
ArmeBosseif you have my file, check the size02:45
ArmeBosseif it's ok then it's your extra file02:45
marcin`propably this is because I repackage orig02:46
ArmeBossei'm not familiar with debuild/dput02:46
ArmeBossere package ?02:47
marcin`what do you do to change tar.gz to orig.tar.gz - rename only?02:47
ArmeBosseyes02:47
marcin`ok and that's the problem02:47
ArmeBossedh_make stuff02:47
ArmeBossebut i think using -f rename only02:48
marcin`dh_make doesn't create orig02:48
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ArmeBosseuse my file, we gain times02:49
ArmeBossecopy you deb dir02:50
ArmeBossetar zxf the right orig02:50
ArmeBosseand continue02:50
marcin`it's not so easy02:51
marcin`I know why these files are different02:51
marcin`they got different directories02:51
ArmeBosse?02:51
marcin`as I said I create vtigercrm-4.2.3 dir02:51
marcin`and extract source there then package02:52
marcin`vtiger_crm is in orig - I got vtigercrm-4.2.302:52
ArmeBossenot a problem02:52
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marcin`so I can keep this as is?02:53
ArmeBosseyes02:53
marcin`ok two questions then - what comments in sql?02:53
marcin`you wrote few minutes ago?02:53
ArmeBosse-- vtigercrm 4.2.302:54
marcin`and what should I do with this fpdf.org?02:55
marcin`ok I'll add this comment02:55
ArmeBossefpdf is a freeware blah blah definition from the author that can found on url URL: copy paste hi comments02:56
ArmeBosse+be02:56
marcin`to copyright?02:56
ArmeBossehis02:56
ArmeBosseyes02:56
marcin`ok just a moment02:56
ArmeBosseajmitch_: agree ?02:56
ArmeBosse3 min max02:57
lionelpsistpoty: still there ?02:57
ArmeBosse2:2002:57
sistpotylionelp: yes02:57
lionelpi corrected : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=203202:57
sistpotylionelp: good... will take a look02:58
ArmeBosse1:4002:58
ArmeBosse1:0002:59
marcin`are you waithing for me or ajmitch_ ?02:59
ArmeBosseyou02:59
ArmeBossejust a moment02:59
marcin`and what should I do in 1 minute?02:59
ArmeBosseyou don't know me sleepin :)02:59
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marcin`I will not upload this in 1 min it takes about 8 on my connection03:00
marcin`I added this to copyright03:00
ArmeBosseso see you later :)03:00
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sistpotylionelp: you should include the exact notice from the code... if you want, I'll fix that up and upload03:01
lionelpsistpoty: ok, i include, you have better to do i think :)03:02
sistpotylionelp: ok for me... but I'll be in bed in 10 minutes, so hurry ;)03:02
sistpoty(wouldn't take too long if I'd do it, otherwise I wouldn't suggest it)03:03
freeflyingsistpoty: hi03:04
sistpotylionelp: and you miss win32/strsep.c03:04
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sistpotyhi freeflying:03:04
marcin`sistpoty: question about your comment: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=203103:04
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marcin`sistpoty: you want me to move text files from XTemplate and JPGraph to /doc03:05
freeflyingsistpoty: need review , can you ?03:05
zakamehi MOTUs03:05
ajmitch_marcin`: btw debian/copyright should not say to look at an URL03:05
sistpotyfreeflying: sorry, almost in bed03:05
marcin`sistpoty: you mean README or LICENSE too?03:05
ajmitch_hi zakame03:05
crimsunfreeflying: url?03:05
freeflyingcrimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=201103:05
lionelpsistpoty: uploaded again, still in the queue03:05
zakamehello ajmitch_ ! :D03:05
sistpotymarcin`: basically the text files, that contain documentation03:06
marcin`ajmitch_: you mean this MPL and QPL ?03:06
sistpotyhi zakame03:06
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ajmitch_marcin`: I mean if you did what ArmeBosse suggested for fpdf03:06
ajmitch_zakame: how's it going?03:07
zakameajmitch_: Manila's now almost in a state of emergency atm03:07
marcin`ajmitch_: but I pasted all text from this url03:07
lionelpsistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=203303:07
marcin`ajmitch_: not just url03:07
crimsunfreeflying: can you use debhelper 5?03:08
freeflyingcrimsun: ok03:08
sistpotylionelp: win32/strsep.c still missing (at least from looking at the debdiff)03:08
ajmitch_marcin`: ok, good03:08
ajmitch_zakame: why is that?03:08
ajmitch_zakame: coup in the making?03:09
zakameajmitch_: yeah03:09
lionelpsistpoty: it is covered by GPL isn't it ?03:10
freeflyingcrimsun: any others?03:10
crimsunzakame: hope you're safe03:10
crimsunfreeflying: still looking03:10
ajmitch_zakame: nervous times03:10
freeflyingcrimsun: thx03:10
sistpotylionelp: it has a different author and is covered by LPGL if I read it correctly03:10
sistpotylionelp: yep... LPGL03:10
lionelparf, sorry :-(03:10
sistpotylionelp: np03:11
zakameajmitch_: yeah :( but like jsgotangco said in -ph, I've decided to stay productive :)03:12
crimsunfreeflying: ok, I presume you're referring to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354094 ? Are you packaging it for Debian, then?03:12
Ubugtudebian bug 354094 in ITP "quarry -- A multi-purpose GUI for several board games" [Wishlist,Open] 03:12
jsgotangcoajmitch_, bah...i've experience 8 coups in 1986...03:13
jsgotangcoerr 198803:13
freeflyingcrimsun: I don't know how to solve this issue . for I hope it can be upload to ubuntu universe firstly03:13
ajmitch_jsgotangco: haha, it must be fun living in such a country ;)03:13
ajmitch_people in NZ are too apathetic about politics for a good coup :)03:14
jsgotangcoajmitch_, yesterday while driving on the way home, i actually saw a shootout (robbers)03:14
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crimsunfreeflying: ok, whether you choose to try to push it into Debian first and then sync it from Sid is your choice03:14
jsgotangcomilitary adventurism here is more interesting than a tom clancy novel03:14
zakamejsgotangco: not to mention the fissure at Adriatico03:14
ajmitch_jsgotangco: NZ & Australia are so boring in comparison03:15
freeflyingcrimsun: will debian sid sync package from ubntu ?03:15
jsgotangcozakame, yeah, pretty bad omen for the government i'd say03:15
freeflyings/ubntu/ubuntu03:15
crimsunfreeflying: not afaik, but I don't know; perhaps ajmitch_ can shed some light03:15
jsgotangcoajmitch_, funny though, most people don't mind it anymore really....the people who join the coups and rallies are very much the same personalities...majority of the population just watch the powerplay03:16
crimsunfreeflying: otherwise just a very minor whitespace and the GPL symlink issues in debian/copyright03:17
ajmitch_freeflying: it's always up to the debian maintainer as to what they choose to do with a package03:17
freeflyingcrimsun: if I prepare to push it into debain ,then where shall I upload firstly ?03:17
ajmitch_freeflying: do you plan to maintain it in debian?03:17
freeflyingajmitch_: Maybe , I don't know if I have that qualification03:18
ajmitch_qualification?03:18
crimsunit's more about willingness to maintain03:18
ajmitch_why do you think it'll be less of a challenge in ubuntu? :)03:18
crimsunfrankly, it's much easier to sync from Sid into Ubuntu03:19
ajmitch_crimsun: unless you can upload into both & just use something like bzr to maintain the branches :)03:19
crimsuntrue :)03:19
freeflyingajmitch_: Anyway , guys here may help me on package , :)03:19
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crimsunfreeflying: in any case, just those two issues in debian/copyright03:20
freeflyingcrimsun: someone have told me that the whitespace is too much , so I decrease them03:21
crimsunfreeflying: err, just between "Author:" and "Paul"03:21
freeflyingcrimsun: and how about the symlink of GPL ?03:22
lionelpsistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=203403:23
crimsunfreeflying: should be /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL03:24
sistpotyfreeflying: I just took a glimpse... is it a game? then it should go to /usr/games03:24
crimsunfreeflying: but-- if your paste from the boilerplate actually coincides with the license in quarry, then what you have it fine.03:24
crimsun(mm I can't spell)03:25
freeflyingcrimsun: the author use gpl-2, but actually , some files it use are gpl ,so I change it to gpl03:26
freeflyingsistpoty: it's means that I shall put them into /usr/games?03:26
sistpotyfreeflying: yes03:26
sistpotycrimsun: you can take my last comment on quarry as advocate, once these issues are fixed ;)03:27
sistpotyfreeflying: please also look at my other comments03:28
crimsunsistpoty: sure03:28
freeflyingsistpoty: how to put them into /usr/games ?03:28
sistpotyfreeflying: either debian/rules or patch the install-target03:28
sistpoty(and make sure it still works)03:28
freeflyingsistpoty: got it . thx03:28
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alleefreeflying: then put both headers gpl and gpl 2+ into copyright file.   and add License:'   just like 'Copyright:'03:29
freeflyingallee: can do like that ?03:30
alleefreeflying: can?  You have to! ;)  You need to cut&paste every license that is used in the sources03:32
freeflyingallee: wow, it's will be so long03:32
sistpotynot every license... only every license that differs or has another author03:33
alleefreeflying: Only one for GPL and one for GPL 2+ is enought03:33
alleefreeflying: but if the license is not one you find in common-licenses, you to include the complete text of the license (and yes this can be very long)03:34
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sistpotylionelp: the upstream tarball and your orig.tar.gz still aren't identical...03:36
sistpotylionelp: but I'll exchange these and upload, if you don't mind03:36
ViViDsistpoty: i removed the symlinks, but ldconfig doesnt recreate them and the package wont run, is it ok if i leave the necessary one in? and move the other to -dev package, otherwise i need to move them both to the dev, and the binary program will then depend on the dev package03:36
lionelpsiretart: no pb for me03:37
sistpotyViViD: ldconfig will create the (necessary) symlink on installing... otherwise there's s.th. wrong03:37
lionelpthanks a lot03:37
sistpotylionelp: np03:37
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ViViDyea it doesnt create it, it should apparently create libpar2.so from libpar2.so.0.0.1 but it doesnt03:38
sistpotyViViD: did you read the library packaging guide? there should be one symlink in the -dev package iirc03:38
ViViDyea im reading it03:38
sistpotyViViD: libpar2.so should be in the -dev package03:38
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ViViDyea and then the gpar2 will depend on the dev package03:39
sistpotyViViD: at least iiirc...03:39
sistpotyViViD: no03:39
alleefreeflying: did you try to build in pbuilder?  Just librsvg2-dev, no lib<widgetlib-of-your-choice) in build-deps.03:39
ViViDwhatever contains libpar2.so is what gpar2 depends on03:39
freeflyingallee: it can be build with pbuilder03:40
alleefreeflying: heh, nice03:40
sistpotyViViD: no, it doesn't... just try to build it and install the library-package and gpar2... try using ldd on the binary of gpar2 and check if it has unresolved shared objects03:40
ajmitch_ViViD: if gpar2 depends on libpar2.so, it's used shared libraried in a broken way03:40
freeflyingcrimsun: if I want to push it into debain , who can be my sponsor  here ?03:41
marcin`sistpoty: vtigercrm is in revu now - new upload03:42
crimsun#debian-mentors is probably better03:42
marcin`sistpoty: if you are there then could you take a look at it?03:42
crimsunI don't feel it's courteous to yoke our few DDs with even more ;)03:42
sistpotymarcin`: sorry, but I really need to go to bed now03:42
sistpotylionelp: gastman uploaded ;)03:42
sistpotyok... and now I'm off to bed ;)03:42
sistpotygn8 everyone03:42
freeflyingcrimsun: then firstly I upload it to mentors03:43
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marcin`ajmitch_: are you still there?03:45
alleefreeflying: hint: debian-mentor have their own check list for pkgs.  Make sure that you have everything in there03:46
alleenite03:47
freeflyingallee: what you mean everything ?03:47
alleeeverything listed in their check list03:47
ajmitch_marcin`: yes?03:48
marcin`ajmitch_: could you take a look at vtigercrm in revu?03:48
Se7hhi there03:48
ajmitch_marcin`: no, I don't have that much time at the moment03:49
marcin`ajmitch_: btw it's already too late to put this package to dapper right?03:50
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marcin`ajmitch_: package freeze?03:50
ajmitch_I guess so, but I'm not in cahrge of that (or anything really)03:52
ajmitch_s/cahrge/charge/03:52
ViViDalright i fixed all that he said i needed to03:57
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ViViDif anyone is available please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2037 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=203804:13
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PupenoWhere can I contribute new packages for ubuntu and backports for breezy-backports ?04:51
crimsunbackports are generated from the current devel branch to the most recent stable version.04:51
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crimsunfor new packages, see the url linked from wiki/MOTU04:52
freeflyingcrimsun: how to work for backport ?04:53
crimsunfreeflying: I don't understand your question04:54
crimsun(use pin yin if necessary)04:55
freeflyingcrimsun: :) If I want backport some package back to breezy , how shall I do it04:55
crimsunfreeflying: you have to ask for it to be backported via the backport mailing list, stating the rationale and the build log04:55
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=== ajmitch_ wants new f-spot in dapper
Se7hcrimsun do u have any idea why my external hd goes into 'sleep' ?04:59
Se7h(i know the question is on the wrong channel but i might get a quicker answer here)04:59
crimsunSe7h: sorry, that's a bit too vague04:59
Se7hit just hibernates some times04:59
Se7hand hdparm wont help a thing05:00
Se7h(i think)05:00
crimsunSe7h: usb?05:00
Se7hyes05:00
zakamehuh? can't you upload/request UVF except?05:00
crimsunzakame: I think he just wants it, not that he can't request it :)05:01
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Se7hthats correct :p05:01
crimsunSe7h: hmm, I don't have any problems with the external USB HD I use doing that. You probably want to direct that question to mjg5905:02
Se7hi still don't get why it goes into that mode while its being used. it's kinda annoying getting the music 'paused'05:02
Se7hwheres that guy ?05:03
crimsunin -kernel, -laptop, -devel, among other places05:03
ajmitch_zakame: hm?05:04
Se7huhum k05:04
Se7hty05:04
Se7hi'll try him05:04
ajmitch_zakame: I'm still waiting on approval for 0.1.9, and 0.1.10 is out & packaged now05:04
ajmitch_I scared him off..05:06
Se7hcrimsun any more references besides mjg ?05:07
crimsunSe7h: possibly benc05:08
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monziehi all hard-working motu's05:14
ajmitch_that rules me out05:14
Pupenohow do you choose the section a package is going to end up in a repository by debarchiver ?05:14
Se7hin the 'control' file05:15
PupenoSe7h: is that for me ?05:15
Se7hyes05:15
Pupenoin the control file I choose things such as libs, comm, etc, but the sections by debarchiver are avobe that (main, non-free, contrib... or universe, multiverse, etc).05:16
Se7hwell i create the control faile manually05:17
Se7h:s05:17
PupenoI do create the control file manually too, what's the point ?05:18
LaserJockhi monzie hi Se7h05:18
monziehi LaserJock05:18
Se7hhey LaserJock05:19
Se7hPupeno non, i just felt like saying it05:19
Se7hlol05:19
Se7hSection: games05:20
Se7hthat can be an example05:20
PupenoSe7h: yes, I have Section: libs05:20
PupenoSe7h: but how do I choose the upper level ? Section: non-free/libs ?05:21
Se7hi might be too dumb for this05:22
Se7hwhat do u mean by upper level ?05:22
LaserJockhmm, I think it would probably depend on what you upload to? In Ubuntu anyway.05:23
LaserJockPupeno: you might want to check out http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections05:29
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LaserJockhi minghua07:00
minghuahello LaserJock07:00
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viviersfah gr8, typical of hp products07:07
viviersfa dvd rewriter that cannot write on a dvd rw disc07:09
ajmitch_heh07:10
ajmitch_sounds usual07:10
viviersf:(07:12
ajmitch_I haven't tried a rw dics in my acer laptop07:13
viviersfah wait07:14
viviersfhmmm07:14
viviersfthis is dvd-rw discs07:15
viviersfok no thats not it07:15
viviersfbrb07:15
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crimsuncya ajmitch_07:40
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siretartmorning08:49
Gloubiboulgahi siretart08:50
siretarthi Gloubiboulga08:51
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zakamehello MOTUs09:28
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ArmeBossehi all09:32
ArmeBosselooking for an advocate : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=203509:32
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dholbachgood morning motu world09:35
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ViViDif anyone is available to check out/advocate if its ready please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2039 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=204009:38
dholbachAren't we in Feature Freeze yet?09:39
StevenKI thought we were?09:39
dholbachyeah09:39
StevenKIt's been the 24th in UTC for 8 hours, so we ought to be.09:40
dholbachViViD: Feature Freeze means for us, that we can't accept NEW packages into Ubuntu any more, they will have to wait for Dapper+1 - I'm sorry.09:41
dholbachViViD: if somebody steps up to review your packages and make them better, that's fine - it's just they won't likley end up in DApper.09:41
ViViDi though this was for adding to the universe section09:42
dholbachyes, it is.09:42
dholbachNEW stuff for Universe and Multiverse.09:42
ViViDwell either way its going to need to be advocated to get into either, and its not going to get in by waiting 6 months to do anything more09:44
dholbachViViD: absolutely right.09:44
dholbachI just didn't want to give false hope.09:44
zakameI think we are already09:45
ViViDi have an apt server already, so it doesnt matter what release is added officially09:45
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Tonio__hi all09:51
ViViDwhat is dapper+1 going to be called?10:03
dholbachIt's not announced yet.10:03
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ViViDand how long after dapper releases does devel start10:03
dholbachViViD: usually a week10:03
dholbachthe guys in #ubuntu-desktop joked, it might be "huggy holbach"10:04
ViViDabout 8-10 weeks to get all these ready10:04
dholbachyeah, in the meantime we have a lot of packages to fix10:04
dholbachmalone is quite full of universe bugs10:04
dholbachand we have unmet dependencies to clear as well10:05
dholbachI'll think over the weekend, how we can organize all this.10:05
ViViDmine apps are bug free, but im new to source packaging, was using these first two to make a lib and binary template10:05
ViViDonly bug report ive got for it was someone running sid, but on two systems i was unable to duplicate the problem10:06
dolsonmorning dholbach10:08
dholbachhey dolson10:08
dholbachdolson: how are you?10:08
dolsondholbach: well, ok. I sat at the ER yesterday for 5 hours waiting for blood test results, only to have them be negative.. what a waste of time. how are you?10:08
dolsondholbach: I am a little disappointed none of the dssi apps will be in dapper though. but I'll get over it10:09
dholbachi'm fine, nothing a coffee couldn't remedy10:09
dholbachdolson: i looked at them, but dependencies were missing, so i couldn't test them properly10:10
dolsondholbach: yeah, dssi-dev needs to be sync'd from debian10:10
dholbachdolson: don't be too disappointed - there's still a lot to do in general for the release and "after the release is before the release" :)10:10
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dholbachdolson: i'm very pleased with what you achieved in so little time10:12
dolsondholbach: that makes me happy :) 15 days ago I didn't even know what debuild was. :P10:12
dholbach:-)10:13
dholbachdolson: I'd be happy if you'd try to gather followers, form a team (on launchpad too, assign the bug reports for audio stuff to the team) - that'd be a worthwhile goal for the meantime10:13
dolsondholbach: I'll talk with forest and maarten.. not sure who else will help. I get a lot of people on MSN bitching at me that I didn't package the new version of lilypond or denemo or csound etc.10:15
ViViDdholbach: if you get some time, can you look at my apps? i think they're pretty close, and i kinda need to get them ok before i start packing the rest10:15
dolsonseems most people are not willing to help, but just bitch me out for not working hard enough10:15
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dholbachdolson: you should write to the mailing lists, announce a meeting, stuff like that - if you're interested in such a team10:16
dholbachViViD: I'm quite busy at the moment, sorry.10:16
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ArmeBossehow can i know if package was uploaded in revu successfully instead of waiting/refresh website ?11:00
ArmeBossei have always "successfully uploaded package" but never see them11:08
tepsipakkiArmeBosse: make sure you've uploaded sources, not binaries11:09
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ArmeBossetepsipakki: .dsc .orig.tar.gz .diff.gz source.changes only11:13
ArmeBossemarcin`: hi11:13
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marcin`ArmeBosse: hi11:20
marcin`ArmeBosse: good to see you because I got a question and problem11:20
marcin`ArmeBosse: I got polish translation for vtiger11:21
marcin`ArmeBosse: (it's also in vtigerforge)11:21
marcin`ArmeBosse: and it doesn't work propely11:21
marcin`ArmeBosse: because polish lang needs code pacge to be ISO-8859-211:22
marcin`ArmeBosse: and it's set in content type and I can see in page source that it should be ISO-8859-211:22
marcin`ArmeBosse: but in browser it's still ISO-8859-111:23
marcin`ArmeBosse: could you give me hint what can be reason?11:23
ArmeBossei'll look11:25
ArmeBosseplease can you pv message me for this, not ubuntu-motu related ;)11:26
marcin`let's go to #vtiger-bounty11:26
marcin`it's vtiger related because *-lang-pl package doesn't work propely11:27
viviersfwhats the command to add a new thing to a changelog ?11:44
viviersfViViD, why you ping me11:45
ArmeBossedebchange ?11:46
raphinkdch11:49
ArmeBossesame just an alias11:50
ArmeBosseraphink: no way to upload ...11:51
raphinkArmeBosse: essaie encore11:54
ArmeBosseraphink: a gne de le faire sous sid ?11:55
raphinknormalement non11:55
ArmeBossek11:55
ArmeBosseSuccessfully uploaded packages.11:57
raphinkah bon?12:00
raphinkje crois pas moi12:00
raphinkah bah je sais pourquoi c'est bloqu12:01
raphinkle source.changes a t rejet12:01
ArmeBosseje sais bien, je vois rien mais dput met a12:01
ArmeBosse11:01 < ArmeBosse> how can i know if package was uploaded in revu successfully instead of waiting/refresh website ?12:01
raphinkquoi?12:01
ArmeBossefill as wish list ;)12:01
ArmeBosseje sais bien que c'est pas pass je vois rien12:02
ArmeBossemais je sais jamais pourquoi ...12:02
raphinkbon j'ai vir le source.changes des rejected12:02
raphinkessaie encore12:02
raphink;)12:02
ArmeBossepas de report  part le message de dput Succ..12:02
ArmeBossec'est pour revu2 ? :)12:03
raphinkquoi donc?12:04
raphinka doit tre bon l, le source.changes a t accept12:04
raphinkattend 2 minutes et a sera up12:04
ArmeBosseknow if a package was uploaded in revu successfully instead of waiting/refresh website12:05
ArmeBosseand mail report for failed upload :)12:05
raphinkArmeBosse: ben c'est rejet12:07
raphinkArmeBosse: il faut que tu trouves pourquoi12:07
lmanulTiens, le franais a envahi une autre chan, en plus de #ubuntu-desktop :)12:09
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ArmeBossesiretart: ping12:16
siretartArmeBosse: wassup?12:16
raphinklmanul: tu sais que qu'on prpare un coup d'tat francophone?12:20
lmanulraphink: yes ! je m'associe ! attribuons de force  Mark la nationalit franaise :-p12:21
raphinkhaha12:22
raphink:)12:22
raphinklmanul: on a dj pris d'assaut les MOTUs Kubuntu12:22
raphinken plus on a des associs dans la foule ;)12:23
raphinkcomme dholbach par exemple ;)12:23
dholbachtssss :)12:24
lmanulhaha12:24
raphinkdholbach: :)12:24
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dholbach:-))))12:25
dholbachle gens franaises :)12:25
raphink:)12:25
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ArmeBossebug ? : http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=2035&upid2=204312:59
ArmeBossepage was redirected12:59
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kbrooksum.01:37
Lathiathi kbrooks :)01:37
kbrooksi'd like to see debins in universe in dapper. what do i do01:37
Lathiatkbrooks: do you have any experience at all with debian packaging?01:38
kbrooks"tseng you could make it in for dapper if you hurry :)"01:38
Hobbseeit's after feature freeze anyway, isnt ti?01:38
Hobbseein any and all timezones01:38
Lathiatiirc you could still upload a new universe package01:39
Lathiatkbrooks: and if not would you like to learn? :)01:39
kbrooksyes01:40
kbrooksbut can i learn quicly01:41
kbrookscrash course?01:41
dolsonwhat is debins?01:41
Lathiathttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New01:41
Lathiatsee the second section01:42
dolsondebins looks like the same thing as gdebi?01:45
Lathiatit is01:48
Lathiatdoesnt  mean it cant be packaged tho :)01:48
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nomedis there a way to tell cdbs to use autogen.sh instead of configure ?01:52
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tsengyou shouldnt be doing that in a package01:52
tsengit should already have configure generated01:52
siretartnomed: If you are asking this question, I think you are better of with running plain debhelper01:53
tsengsiretart: or applying a patch to fix the package first01:53
nomedtseng, i know what you mean :)01:53
nomedwhat i would try to understand is ...01:54
nomedif the pkge cames from an svn version01:54
nomedthe configure within it is probably pre-generated using autogen.sh ..01:55
nomedtrue ?01:55
tsengdoes the package have a make distcheck target01:55
nomedumm .. no01:55
tseng(after configuring)01:55
tsengautogen, configure, make distcheck01:56
siretartnomed: your upstream didn't make any release yet?01:56
nomedsiretart, it's not a pkge i maintain01:56
nomedthese pkges use the debian rules files01:57
nomedbut debian pkges are not from svn01:57
nomedso i was trying to figure out what happens in that case01:57
tsengyou make a 'release' from svn, ideally01:58
tsenga snapshot tarball using the same tools upstream would to make a release01:58
nomedtseng, yes01:58
siretartnomed: listen to tseng. try to create a 'release' tarball by using 'make dist' or something01:58
nomedsiretart, k01:58
nomedi got it01:58
tsengyou dont just tar up your checkout and force debian/rules around it01:58
tsengyay01:58
tsengso, if you have make distcheck01:58
tsengit will do the work for you01:58
ArmeBossesiretart: can you try http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=2035&upid2=204301:59
siretartgetpdf? wtf?01:59
ArmeBossediff appear then redirected ...02:00
siretartI think there is something in the package which confuses the webbrowser02:00
siretartinteresting02:00
ArmeBosseother issue: mail removed in control file02:01
ArmeBosse02:24 < sistpoty> if you look at debdiffs in the browser, they are treated as html... so < and > are taken as tags (known revu-bug)02:02
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siretartArmeBosse: I appreciate every patch ;)02:03
ArmeBosse:)02:04
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jpatrickIf a packages verison is 0.12.10-2 and I've repackaged to fix a bug should it be 0.12.10-3ubuntu1 ?02:53
dholbach2ubuntu102:55
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jpatrickdholbach: ok, thanks02:58
thesaltydogdholbach, ciao daniel!02:58
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raphinkdholbach: any reason for rejecting the update-grub `splashimage line` bug ?03:11
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dholbachUbuntu (Dapper) -> Ubuntu03:11
raphinkah ok03:11
dholbachthe launchpad guys asked me to do this03:11
dholbachas Dapper is not released yet, it doesn't make much sense03:11
raphinkbut then it's confirmed in Ubuntu03:11
raphinkdholbach: yes03:11
dholbachyeah03:11
raphinkthere03:12
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raphink:)03:12
raphinkit's not a bad bad bug03:12
raphinkbut well03:12
freeflyingraphink: hi03:12
pappanraphink: sec hole ?03:12
raphinkpappan: ?03:13
raphinkhi freeflying03:13
pappanraphink: the bug u r talking abot03:13
raphinkhttps://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3233303:14
Ubugtumalone bug 32333 in grub "kubuntu-grub-splashimages adds a splashimage config line to GRUB's menu.lst to the wrong place" [Normal,Confirmed] 03:14
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freeflyingraphink: need review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=204203:15
raphinkfreeflying: you know we're in FF now03:15
jpatrickfreeflying: it's feature freeze on03:15
freeflyingraphink: jpatrick I see, I just want to know if ther any problems with that package , maybe I'll push it into debian03:17
raphinknice03:17
jpatrickyeah, put it into debian then sync for dapper+103:17
raphink:)03:18
freeflyingso I wanna if there any other problems03:18
thesaltydogdholbach, I have fixed this bug: https://launchpad.net/products/bum/+bug/29831 , but unfortunately after UFV..03:19
Ubugtumalone bug 29831 in bum "BUM leaves lock file around after failing to start" [Normal,Fix released] 03:19
jpatrickcan't we upload bug fixes?03:20
raphinkthesaltydog: UVF doesnt prevent from fixing bugs thankfully03:20
freeflyingjpatrick: the eva package still include configure and Makefile in diff, I remove the autoconf from buoild-dep03:20
raphinknor does FF03:20
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raphinkfreezing the features doesn't mean we freeze the bugs too ;)03:20
thesaltydographink, yes, :-) I mean, it will not be synched in dapper..03:20
jpatrickbecause I've uploaded two fixes recently03:20
raphinkthesaltydog: if it fixes a but, you can request a UVF exception03:21
raphinks/but/bug/03:21
thesaltydographink, I don't know the procedure.03:21
raphinkthesaltydog: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UpstreamVersionFreeze03:21
raphinkthesaltydog: also, look at the ML to see how previous exceptions were requested03:22
thesaltydographink, ok. tnx.03:22
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jpatrickI'm going though the Kubuntu ones03:37
dolsondholbach or whoever: if I apply a patch from a bug report to add a .desktop file, do I have to do anything to the changelog if the patcher added an appropriate changelog entry with their name/email? ie: should I change that to me before building and uploading to REVU, or leave it as their name?03:41
marcin`ArmeBosse: ping03:42
tsengLathiat: oh jeez03:44
tsengLathiat: my alps is ass slow now, what was the fix03:45
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tseng:/03:46
Lathiat  Option          "MinSpeed"              "0.49"03:47
Lathiat        Option          "MaxSpeed"              "0.63"03:47
Lathiatin synaptics mouse section03:47
Lathiatdo you have a laptop with a real synaptics?03:47
Lathiati've been waiting for mjg59 to tell me what effect that setting has on real snaptics03:47
Lathiatif its good i want to get those to defaults03:47
Lathiatif bad i need to ffigure out some way to make it know the difference03:48
Gloubiboulgadolson, if you change something in the package, you have to add a changelog entry I think03:48
Gloubiboulgadolson, forget it03:48
Gloubiboulgabut dolson, what do you want to upload on REVU ?03:48
tsengLathiat: nice03:49
dolsonI want to close bugs03:49
tsengthis is more acceptable03:49
dolsonanyhow, he didn't really format the changelog entries well, so I'll just put my own03:49
Gloubiboulgadolson, then create a debdiff and attach it to the bug on malone03:49
dolsonGloubiboulga: how do I do this?03:50
Gloubiboulgadolson, on the rigth of the page you'll find an "add an attachment" entry"03:51
dolsonGloubiboulga: I know that. how do I make a debdiff?03:51
Gloubiboulgaoh, sorry03:51
ToadstoolSpeaking about debdiff and malone, anyone who wants to tell me if I've done things the right way in malone 32695 ?03:51
Ubugtumalone bug 32695 in denemo "Missing librsvg2-common dependency " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3269503:51
dolsonGloubiboulga: here, look at this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/galan/+bug/2876103:51
Ubugtumalone bug 28761 in galan "Missing .desktop file" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 03:51
Gloubiboulgajust debuild -S -sa the changed package and run `debdiff` with the 2 dsc files03:52
dolsonGloubiboulga: it's been there for 5 weeks. I want to close it. I did this in the past with seq24, and I did it by patching and uploading to REVU03:52
Gloubiboulgadolson, ping a MOTU to get it uploaded ;)03:53
jpatrick...03:54
dolsonI'm sorry if I'm being stupid, but I don't understand what I am supposed to do here. it just seems like they've been sitting there with patches for 5 weeks and nothing has happened since. I want to up it to REVU. this is not the way to do it? what can *I* do as a non-MOTU?03:54
jpatricknot a lot03:55
jpatrickbut I can help you03:55
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dolsonjpatrick: ok. there are 11 packages that are simply missing .desktop files, and all of them have patches on Malone from what I see.03:56
jpatrickwhere's the revu one?03:56
dolsonI didn't upload any to REVU yet. I did seq24 a couple weeks ago, and it's already been put back into Dapper, which is why I thought I was doing this correctly03:57
jpatrickjust put your fixes in revu and I'll see if it's ok03:58
dolsonok, that's what I was going to do, but Gloubiboulga said not to03:58
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Toadstooljpatrick: if you have time, can you check bug 32695, please ? :)04:01
Ubugtumalone bug 32695 in denemo "Missing librsvg2-common dependency " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3269504:01
jpatrickyou made a patch?04:02
jpatrickyep04:02
jpatrickok - looks good04:03
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Toadstooli spent about an hour with gdb and gdk code and finally it was just a missing dependency, I'm a moron :)04:05
jpatrickToadstool: I have one problem... denemo's in main04:05
Toadstoolargh !04:05
Toadstoolsilly me04:06
jpatrickgot another patch?04:06
Toadstoolnot yet, i'm looking for another package to debug :)04:07
Toadstoolwhat can I do about about denemo ?04:07
KyralMorning MOTU04:07
Toadstoolfind a core-dev ?04:07
jpatrickpoke a maintainer04:07
Toadstoolok04:07
Toadstoolthanks jpatrick04:08
jpatrickno problemo04:08
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siretartToadstool: I'm checking denemo patch04:32
Toadstoolthat's a tiny and minor one, but thanks04:33
dolsonjpatrick: should I change the bug reports to Fix Committed or Fix Released once I upload to REVU?04:33
siretartToadstool: but its main, and difficult to upload for mere motus :)04:34
jpatrickI'll have to upload to the archives first04:34
jpatrickheh04:34
siretartdolson: rather not. REVU is not part of launchpad (yet)04:34
Toadstoolsiretart: yep jpatrick already told me that :)04:34
Toadstooli didn't notice04:34
siretartToadstool: apt-cache showsrc denemo04:35
dolsonjpatrick: ok, I uploaded to REVU already04:35
jpatrickgalan?04:35
Toadstoolsiretart: yeah I know I'm a moron :)04:36
siretartToadstool: no, it is a useful patch. really04:36
jpatrickdolson: which package?04:37
dolsonjpatrick: galan, meterbridge, mhwaveedit, muse, puredata, qsynth, rezound, sooperlooper, spiralsynthmodular, terminatorx04:39
dolsonjpatrick: oh, and wavesurfer04:39
jpatrickgalan has one nasty .dif04:39
jpatrick.diff*04:39
siretartToadstool: I just uploaded your patch. please handle the malone bug yourself, ok?04:40
Toadstoolyou mean I can close it ?04:40
jpatrickToadstool: Fix Released04:40
Toadstoolok thanks siretart04:41
Toadstooland jpatrick :)04:41
dolsonjpatrick: yeah, it's big..  not my fault though :)04:41
jpatrickdolson: ok, now doing galan04:43
dolsonjpatrick: just for your reference, the only things I've changed in all of these is added the .desktop file, added the dh_install and dh_desktop to debian/rules, and added an entry in the changelogs, so they should be all fairly straightforwar04:44
dolsond04:44
jpatrickyep04:45
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jpatrickdolson: galan uploaded04:57
dolsonjpatrick: so now I can change the bug report to fix released?04:57
dolsonor do you do that04:58
jpatrickdid04:58
dolsonk04:58
jpatricknext! ;)04:58
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jpatrickdolson: muse done05:28
dolsonjpatrick: cool05:28
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marcin`ArmeBosse: ping05:43
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ArmeBossemarcin`: yes05:53
marcin`I got few vtiger related questions so could you go to priv query or #v-bounty?05:56
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thierrydholbach : why did you rejected all my dapper bugs about .desktop file? is it too late for dapper?06:22
dholbachno06:23
dholbachi just closed the "Ubuntu (Dapper)" task06:23
dholbachthe "Ubuntu" part is still valid06:23
LaserJockI think  the LP people might want to do something about that. It can be very confusing06:23
thierrydholbach : k I see, then thanks! :)06:24
dholbachit doesn't make sense to distinguish between "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu (Dapper)" atm, as Dapper is not yet released - it's fixed in LP now06:24
thierrydholbach : k, but I wanted the fix to get to dapper so...06:24
dholbachUbuntu is alright06:24
dholbacheverybody will understand that06:24
thierryk06:24
LaserJockthierry: you want to get the fix in Ubuntu primarily ;-)06:25
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Ubugtumalone bug 3962 in gnomebaker "[PATCH]  gnomebaker absolute icon path" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/396206:25
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LaserJockhmm, how do I recursively use "find -name"?07:01
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dolsonLaserJock: find . -name ?07:05
dolsonor am I misunderstanding something07:06
LaserJockdolson: it doesn't seem to be recursive, it only looks in the present directory07:06
ArmeBosseLaserJock:  find $(WEBAPPDIR) -name "*.php" -perm /a+x -exec chmod a-x {} \;07:11
ArmeBossebut not a find guru :) just an example07:11
LaserJockhmm, I'm just trying to find all the shell scripts so I'm doing "find . -name *.sh" and I only get the one in the current directory07:12
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ArmeBosseLaserJock: find . -name "*.sh"07:15
LaserJockArmeBosse: hmm, that worked. I'm not sure exactly why.07:16
ArmeBosse->"*.sh "07:16
ArmeBosse->"*.sh"07:16
ArmeBossedouble quote07:16
LaserJockbut why would it find the one in the current directory?07:17
ArmeBossehmm right ...07:18
LaserJockanyway, whatever. thanks ArmeBosse07:19
ArmeBossenp07:19
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marcin`ArmeBosse: hi again07:36
marcin`ArmeBosse: got a question about this *.orig.file07:36
marcin`ArmeBosse: I don't know how you do this07:37
marcin`ArmeBosse: could you help me and tell how you do this dh_make thingy?07:37
Gloubiboulgamarcin`, you can just rename the upstream tarball07:40
Gloubiboulgaor use dh_make -f the.tarball.tar.gz iirc07:40
marcin`Gloubiboulga: thanks...07:43
marcin`Gloubiboulga: rename was the trick07:43
Gloubiboulgamarcin`, no problem :)07:43
marcin`Gloubiboulga: ehh I still don't understand this dh_make magic...07:45
marcin`Gloubiboulga: so I got directory let's say: app-1.0 and I downloaded tar.gz with sources07:46
marcin`Gloubiboulga: so I put this tar.gz to app-1.0 and rename to app-1.0.tar.gz07:46
marcin`Gloubiboulga: I run dh_make there and it creates debian directory for me07:47
marcin`Gloubiboulga: and ../app-1.0.orig.tar.gz07:47
marcin`Gloubiboulga: then I customize files in app-1.0/debian and what should I run to build this?07:47
Gloubiboulgadebuild -S -sa07:48
LaserJockmarcin`: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-dh_make07:48
Gloubiboulgaand it's app_1.0.orig.tar.gz07:48
dholbachhave a nice weekend07:51
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dolsoncya dholbach07:52
LaserJockcya dholbach07:52
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marcin`Gloubiboulga: it's propably because I'm so stupid but I still don't understand one thing08:06
LaserJockmarcin`: what don't you understand? what dh_make does?08:07
marcin`LaserJock: I don't understand which command unpack tar.gz in my build directory08:07
marcin`LaserJock: because I create directory for my package right? mkdir app-1.008:08
marcin`LaserJock: then I put app-1.0.tar.gz there and run dh_make08:08
LaserJockmarcin`: no, just a sec.08:09
marcin`LaserJock: dh_make will create ../app-1.0.orig.tar.gz and app-1.0/debian08:09
Gloubiboulgamarcin`, you have to unpack the tar.gz manually first08:09
Gloubiboulgathen cd theNewDir08:09
Gloubiboulgaand run dh_make inside this directory08:09
LaserJockdh_make just does the initial debianization of the source. ie added debian/ with some templates and makes the .orig.tar.gz from the tarball08:11
marcin`LaserJock: I'm definetly dumb and dumber in one person today... :)08:11
marcin`LaserJock: but I understand what dh_make does08:12
marcin`LaserJock: unfortunately I still don't understand how to unpack original source08:12
LaserJocktar -xzf08:12
marcin`LaserJock: ok ok I know tar commanf08:12
marcin`LaserJock: the thing is that I can have app-1.0.tar.gz but it can unpack files to some different directory than app-1.0/08:13
LaserJockmarcin`: whatever, I think dh_make will take care of that for you. or you can mv it08:14
marcin`LaserJock: heh and I do this at the moment08:14
marcin`LaserJock: but then I got not original orig.tar.gz08:15
LaserJockmarcin`: did you mv it to app-1.0/ ?08:15
marcin`LaserJock: for example I got vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz and it contains /vtiger_crm directory08:15
LaserJockmarcin`: ok mv it to vtivercrm-4.2.3/08:16
marcin`and then if I build this then new orig will have files in vtigercrm-4.2.3/ right?08:17
LaserJockwell, I guess vtigercrm-4.2.3/ ;-)08:17
LaserJockmarcin`: right08:17
marcin`I mean inside orig.tar.gz08:17
marcin`exactly and this is the problem08:17
LaserJockmarcin`: ok, just take vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz and untar it. then move vtiger_crm to vtigercrm-4.2.3/. then run dh_make inside of that directory08:18
marcin`because ArmeBosse and some MOTU's reviewing my upload to REVU complained that I use 'non original' orig.tar.gz08:18
LaserJockright08:18
marcin`so what exactly should I do to avoid this problem?08:19
LaserJockmarcin`: do what I said :-)08:19
LaserJockand when you use dh_make you can use08:20
LaserJockdh_make -f ../vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz08:21
LaserJockmarcin`: it's all at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-namever08:21
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marcin`LaserJock: thanks a lot08:25
LaserJocknp08:25
marcin`LaserJock: holy crap.. noooo08:28
marcin`LaserJock: I did what you said08:28
marcin`LaserJock: and everything is ok but......08:28
marcin`LaserJock: my vtigercrm-4.2.3.orig.tar.gz contains vtigercrm-4.2.308:29
LaserJockright08:29
marcin`LaserJock: while ArmeBosse has vtigercrm-4.2.3.orig.tar.gz that contains vtiger_crm08:30
LaserJockI don't think he should08:30
LaserJockhe must have just renamed the tarball08:30
marcin`yes08:30
marcin`but I got no idea how he could build package with this orig...08:31
LaserJockmarcin`: what do you mean?08:32
LaserJockoh, I see what you're saying. I don't know if it won't build but it isn't standard I don't think.08:34
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mitsuhikoany GNOME guys online?08:46
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dolsoncan I not include a png file in the debian/ dir?09:12
LaserJockwhy not?09:13
dolsondpkg-source: cannot represent change to debian/ldrum.png: binary file contents changed09:13
ArmeBosseLaserJock: you're wrong09:13
ArmeBosseLaserJock: my orig is standard09:13
ArmeBosseLaserJock: and dh_make only rename when you use -f params09:14
LaserJockArmeBosse: really? I thought they had to have <packagename>-<version>09:14
ArmeBossemarcin`: ping09:14
marcin`ArmeBosse: no doubt but tell us how you did it?09:14
ArmeBossetar zxf .tgz09:14
ArmeBossemv to a correct name to use dh_make09:15
ArmeBosseif you don't do it dhmake complain about naming scheme09:15
ArmeBossethen use dhmake with -f params09:15
marcin`exactly09:15
ArmeBosseanyway you don't need to do this09:16
ArmeBosseyou take orig.tgz09:16
ArmeBossedecompress09:16
marcin`.tar.gz09:16
ArmeBosseput you deb dir inside09:16
ArmeBosseyou know what i mean09:17
ArmeBossethen as usual debuild09:17
ArmeBossenothing difficult09:17
dolsonLaserJock: am I right or no? I can't put binary files in debian/ /09:17
dolson?09:18
marcin`holy shit I don't know what do you mean because my orig.tar.gz contains vtigercrm-4.2.3 not vtiger_crm09:18
LaserJockdolson: you can, but it might complain. I'm not quite sure why you are getting that message09:18
marcin`ArmeBosse: let's do this from the beginning09:18
LaserJockdolson: I've done it and have never had a problem. what are you doing?09:19
marcin`ArmeBosse: I got directory /home/marcin/x09:19
dolsonLaserJock: debuild -S -sa -kdana@ubuntustudio.com09:19
marcin`ArmeBosse: I put vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz in this directory09:19
marcin`ArmeBosse: /home/marcin/x/vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz09:20
marcin`ArmeBosse: what next?09:20
LaserJockdolson: so did you change the .png or something? I don't think it is so much complaining about the file itself, just that it is trying to diff a binary09:20
ArmeBossetar zxvf vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz09:20
dolsonLaserJock: I made the png, because there is no icon included in the orig.tar.gz.09:20
ArmeBossemv vtiger_crm vtigecrm-4.2.309:21
LaserJockdolson: right. I'm not sure that it is a problem. but I don't remember seeing that when I did the same thing09:21
ArmeBossecd vtigercrm-4.2.309:21
dolsondpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source09:21
ArmeBossedh_make -f ../vtiger_CRM_4_2_3.tar.gz09:21
ArmeBosserm -f debian/*09:22
ArmeBossecp -rf youdebiandir/* debian09:22
ArmeBossedebuild -S -sa09:22
LaserJockdolson: do you have any swap files from editing in debian/ perhaps?09:23
dolsonLaserJock: ls -la doesn't show anything other than what should be in there09:23
ArmeBosseunderstand ?09:24
LaserJockdolson: hmm, you might just keep going for now. I'm not sure what's going on. I would probably have to look at the source package.09:24
dolsonLaserJock: well it errors out, so I can't continue from here09:24
LaserJockdolson: oh, well that is a problem09:25
ArmeBossemarcin`: what changes have you made to the package ? or do i need to wait the surprise ?09:27
LaserJockArmeBosse: that is what I told marcin` to do. ;-)09:28
ArmeBosse:)09:28
ArmeBosseeach motu or "future" motu has a different point of view :)09:29
marcin`ArmeBosse: currently I work on polish translation and wait for 4.2.4rc109:31
ArmeBossei think you have prepared a new upload09:31
marcin`ArmeBosse: and although I understand now what you did I still think that it's weird09:32
marcin`because you don't have to use -f ../vtiger_CRM with dh_make09:32
ArmeBossei don't care09:32
ArmeBosse:)09:32
marcin`and no I don't have new upload but I will when I'll prepare *-lang-* packages09:33
LaserJockmarcin`: why is it a problem? you only have to do it once.09:34
marcin`I know that you don't care and it's really hard to 'collaborate' with you while you remove almost all changes I do09:34
marcin`but anyway it's not a place to talk about it09:34
marcin`you are a maintainer09:34
ArmeBosseLaserJock: because marcin have a strange "collaborative" work on this package09:35
marcin`I'll put all things I'll do to vtigerforge09:35
LaserJockit would be *nice* if the .tar.gz unpacked to <packagename>-<version> but it's easy to change09:35
marcin`and then you will do uploads I don't care about this package anymore09:35
ArmeBosseLaserJock: next release 4.2.4 will be ok, i'm vtiger dev09:35
ArmeBossemarcin`: thks09:36
marcin`but I still think that's plain stupid to remove such trivial things like I did in last upload09:36
ArmeBossea real different point of view and we proably can't continue to work together09:37
marcin`while I change install to put README to /doc and you change this to symlink09:37
marcin`I see no point in such work09:37
ArmeBossei never said your change are stupid :)09:37
ArmeBosseplease be polite09:37
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LaserJockmarcin`: dude, you really need to chill out. Rather than being so aggressive and sometimes rude you should ask questions and see if changes are ok with your "collaborator"09:39
marcin`LaserJock: my changes were obvious09:40
LaserJockmarcin`: obviously they weren't to him09:40
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marcin`LaserJock: I did only this what sistypotty said in his suggestion on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=204309:40
ArmeBossekeep cool, we missed dapper now09:41
ArmeBossemotu are not god :)09:41
marcin`LaserJock: Id like to see the text-files in XTemplate and JPGraph in /usr/share/doc/vtigercrm (or symlinked there)09:41
ArmeBossewe can have discussion with them09:41
ArmeBosseif we are not agree ;)09:41
LaserJockmarcin`: fine, but explain those changes and discuss them, don't just say it is stupid for him to not making the changes09:41
marcin`LaserJock: so I changed .install to put README to doc09:41
ArmeBossewe can explain why we do things09:41
marcin`LaserJock: then ArmeBosse removed what I did and said that he likes symlinks...09:42
marcin`LaserJock: so such work is plain waste of time for me09:42
LaserJockmarcin`: no it isn't but sometimes you have to convince your "collaborator" that the changes are worthwile09:42
ArmeBossei don't count how many time you revert my changes ;)09:42
marcin`LaserJock: as I said to ArmeBosse there is project on vtigerforge09:42
ArmeBossewhat you call "regression"09:43
marcin`LaserJock: so we should first put our work there and then after discussion - upload to revu09:43
marcin`ArmeBosse: well sorry about that, but in my opinion my changes were good09:44
ArmeBossethis is word ... you never do that :)09:44
marcin`ArmeBosse: anyway in fact these 'regressions' weren't always your fault09:44
ArmeBosseyes marcin your changes are always good and mine are "regression", i know the drill09:44
marcin`ArmeBosse: for me biggest regression in this package is that we had to remove separate theme packages09:45
LaserJockok,  lets just step back a sec. OK, marcin do you have a reason other than sistpoty said to remove the symlink?09:45
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marcin`LaserJock: which symlink?09:45
LaserJockthe README thing09:45
ArmeBosseLaserJock: you didn't follow the story :)09:46
marcin`LaserJock: in package reviewed by sistypoty there were /XTemplates/README files09:46
LaserJockok09:46
marcin`LaserJock: and sistypoty said that he would like to have these files in /doc09:46
LaserJockok09:46
marcin`LaserJock: so I changed .install a bit and moved these files to /doc just like he said09:46
LaserJockok09:47
LaserJockok, so ArmeBosse why didn't you like his change?09:47
marcin`LaserJock: and now we got new upload in REVU with these changes removed09:47
marcin`LaserJock: maybe ArmeBosse just haven't seen these changes09:48
ArmeBossei prefer 2nd proposal : symlink09:48
marcin`LaserJock: and he just uploaded older versions of his .install09:48
ArmeBossemarcin`: i saw well what you do ;)09:49
LaserJockok, so ArmeBosse prefers symlinks and that is compatible with sistpoty's recomendation09:49
ArmeBosseyes but i didn't introduce the symlinks09:49
marcin`exactly - you just removed my changes09:50
ArmeBossebecause i wait a new review of current package09:50
LaserJockmarcin`: so what you could have done is ask ArmeBosse if he prefers symlinks or actual cp ing09:50
ArmeBosseand do all necessary changes09:50
ArmeBossebecause now we missed dapper09:50
marcin`I'm wasting my time09:51
ArmeBosseso i don't need to speed up the process09:51
ArmeBossejust look how many uploads09:51
LaserJockmarcin`: my only concern is you will be facing similar problems with any collaboration.09:51
ArmeBossewithout any reviewing09:51
ArmeBossea miracle if he find someone to collaborate with09:52
ArmeBossehe probably never work in a team09:52
marcin`ArmeBosse: it's your point of view because you filled ITP and you are 'maintainer'09:53
marcin`ArmeBosse: so you think all your changes are ok09:53
marcin`ArmeBosse: and sorry but I see no point in arguing what is better - mv README to /doc or symlink09:54
LaserJockmarcin`: ok, if he is the maintainer then you need to defer to him. But in the end it got fixed correct?09:54
LaserJockmarcin`: but if you had communicated a little better you could have avoided wasting your work.09:54
ArmeBossehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianCollaboration09:55
marcin`LaserJock: well not currently he just removed my changes so in his current upload README is in /usr/share/vtigercrm/XTemplate09:55
LaserJockArmeBosse: so did you use symlinks or not address it at all?09:56
marcin`LaserJock: he just removed my work and want's to wait for... I don't know... something09:56
marcin`LaserJock: and no he didn't introduced symlinks09:57
ArmeBosseLaserJock: like said, i'll adress the issue with symlink but i'm waiting a review in case there's othe complains09:57
LaserJockmarcin`: well, as long as it gets done. He has a legitimate concern. He doesn't want to keep uploading. He wants to get all the changes done at once.09:58
LaserJockmarcin`: does that make sense?09:58
marcin`maybe so as I said - I don't care about this package anymore09:58
ArmeBossethere's already 3 uploads, without any review. i don't like this09:59
marcin`I'll upload my work to vtigerforge svn and will wait when ArmeBosse will remove this ;)09:59
marcin`(or maybe not - who knows ;)09:59
ArmeBosseremove what ?09:59
marcin`dunno some new changes...09:59
marcin`don't you think that we should try to do something with themes again?10:00
ArmeBosseno it's part of base package and not an extra amount of size10:00
marcin`so maybe someday I'll do something10:00
KyralActually...how would I package a theme(XFCE, GTK, etc)10:00
LaserJockmarcin`: If you communicate what you're doing with your collaborator rather than assume that everything you do is going to be unquestionably accepted then it will go much smoother. An if they don't want to make the changes at that time but say they are going to deal with the issue there shouldn't be a problem.10:01
marcin`LaserJock: it's not a problem for me - at least is not a problem until these changes do not broke package10:02
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ArmeBosseeach problem we meet, we're never agree, each one have a different point. in a "team" of 2 it's a _bit_ problematic ...10:03
LaserJockI agree10:04
marcin`exactly10:04
marcin`and maybe I'm a little bit too emotional but I'll calm down now10:04
LaserJockbut Universe is a community effort so we need to be able to "play well" within the team, right?10:04
marcin`I was just annoyed by changes that ArmeBosse did yesterday because they broke package10:05
ArmeBosseright, but like policies differ in interpretation :)10:05
marcin`now package is at least installable so as I said - he want's to be maintainer then now it's his problem10:06
ArmeBossethey break anything just not in phase with sistopy comments10:06
marcin`ArmeBosse: sorry but you try too much to be 'boss'10:07
marcin`ArmeBosse: I just hoped that this package could be 50/50 collaborative work10:07
marcin`ArmeBosse: I just don't have time to argue and fight for each change10:07
marcin`ArmeBosse: so you can complain about how I collaborate with you10:08
marcin`ArmeBosse: but I can do the same10:08
ArmeBossei'm agree for 3 last lines :)10:09
marcin`ArmeBosse: you figth for everything - remember how many times we had to change 'copyright' file?10:09
ArmeBosselike a mirror10:09
ArmeBossejust a different point of view10:09
marcin`ArmeBosse: now this file is almost like I did few uploads ago10:09
ArmeBossedog and cat10:10
LaserJockmarcin`: you can't expect to just come in and expect to be a 50/50 collaborator. You have to recognize that he is the Maintainer and so he has ultimate responsibility for the package. You can work up to that but it takes time I think.10:10
marcin`ArmeBosse: but you at least had to try to make this file to look like you want10:10
ArmeBosselook copyright file of your original package and come back :)10:10
marcin`LaserJock: it's new package10:10
marcin`LaserJock: I did my package and he did his10:11
marcin`LaserJock: my package was better in some things - his was in other things10:11
LaserJockok10:11
marcin`LaserJock: we agreed that we should merge and I did merge job10:11
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marcin`LaserJock: he is maintainer only because he filed ITP first10:12
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ArmeBosselol10:12
marcin`LaserJock: so please don't tell me that I have to listen to "Maintainer" as boss and keep quiet when he removes my work10:13
marcin`ArmeBosse: nothing funny10:14
ArmeBosseyou :)10:14
marcin`LaserJock: and to be honest another problem was that we were in hurry10:14
LaserJockmarcin`: I'm not saying keep quite or anything. But don't be rude about it.10:14
marcin`LaserJock: because we wanted to put this in dapper10:15
LaserJockmarcin`: yes, I know and FF can cause a lot of stress10:15
marcin`LaserJock: and propably this was biggest problem10:15
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marcin`anyway I'll still work on this package and software10:16
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marcin`and as I said I'll upload my changes to SVN10:16
marcin`then ArmeBosse will upload things to REVU with any .orig.tar.gz file he wants to10:17
marcin`;)10:17
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LaserJockmarcin`: I'm not blaming you for everything, both of you seem to have some collaboration issues.10:18
LaserJockI'm just trying to diffuse the situation a little bit.10:18
marcin`well we will see in future10:19
marcin`if ArmeBosse will accept some changes in future then we propably could work on this package10:20
LaserJockmarcin`: I'm sure if you do good work he will10:21
marcin`now I need to work on polish translation and some customizations that I will not publish so they are not important to anyone here10:21
marcin`LaserJock: I hope so - but today I'm not sure10:21
LaserJockok, well why don't we leave it at that for now, ok?10:22
ArmeBosseright10:25
marcin`I got different question10:32
marcin`what will happen if I'll remove all language* packages in ubuntu?10:33
LaserJockumm, I don't think that is a good thing to do10:33
LaserJockI think you need to have at least 110:33
marcin`for example how will gnome work if I'll remove all language-pack-gnome* ?10:33
marcin`LaserJock: I agree but I'm not sure10:34
marcin`LaserJock: synaptic it not trying to stop me10:34
LaserJockfrom removing all of them?10:34
marcin`LaserJock: yup10:34
LaserJockhmm, maybe ask  -devel10:34
marcin`LaserJock: it should complain don't you think so?10:35
LaserJockI would have thought so but maybe there is a reason it doesn't10:35
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LaserJockhmm, I'm trying to think of ways to describe "source tarballs" and "Debian source packages". I keep wanting to call them both source packages. Is there a better terminology for upstream source.?10:51
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dsashi guys, I appreciate you're all probably pretty busy at the moment, but could someone point me towards a "how to" on generating meta-packages?11:11
siretartdsas: apt-cache show equivs11:11
dsassiretart: sweet, thanks muchly.11:12
LaserJockhi siretart11:15
siretarthuhu LaserJock11:15
LaserJocksiretart: how's it going? it must be pretty late over there11:16
siretartLaserJock: it is 11pm. I'm in bed already ;)11:16
LaserJockahh11:16
GloubiboulgaI'm not in bed but I'll soon be in11:17
Gloubiboulgagood night11:17
LaserJockcya Gloubiboulga11:17
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dolsonOhh noooo11:32
LaserJockwhat?11:33
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LaserJockhi Ubuntu member Hobbsee11:36
Hobbseehey LaserJock11:36
=== Hobbsee defenestrates the 2.6.16 kernel which is often making her computer crash on boot with the wireless card. stupid thing!
LaserJock"defenestrates"? must be a .au word11:37
crimsunit's not used often in the States; we don't know the value of Chaucer11:39
crimsun(at least those of us who didn't major in English lit)11:39
LaserJockdang, wasn't even in my OSX dashboard dictionary. I had to use a google search :(11:42
Toadstoolre MOTUs11:43
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Hobbseecrimsun: LaserJock: most people dont know it.  not even here11:43
bluefoxicyAnyone want to give me a hand building gtk-gnutella 0.96.1 into an official-quality deb on amd64?11:43
Hobbseefor the ignorant, defenestration is the act of throwing someone or something out of a window :P11:43
bluefoxicyit's a bugfix release on 0.96, the one in dapper is old and refuses to run without manually overriding its "anti-ancient version" thing in the config file11:44
Toadstoolwhat's funny is that I understand defenestrate 'cause "defenestration" is a french word ;)11:44
bluefoxicyI could just build and install it but I'm looking into making a deb as an exercise11:44
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LaserJockbluefoxicy: you might start by looking at the source package for the previous version11:47
bluefoxicyo.o11:47
crimsunthere was a uvf exception request for gtk-gnutella, I thought...11:48
LaserJockyeah, I believe  so11:48
marcin`LaserJock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague11:50
marcin`LaserJock: it's propably more .eu word than .au11:50
LaserJockyes, I see ;-)11:50
dolsonLaserJock: I got a new game.. so I guess packaging will take a backseat for a while :)11:52
Hobbseemarcin`: i have a habit of trying to insert random words into  my exams - unfortunately, i didnt get the chance to use antidisestablishmentarianism, but i did succeed with defenestration!11:52
Toadstool:D11:52
Hobbseehehe11:53
marcin`Hobbsee: well this word is propably something unusual for US people11:53
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Hobbseeprobably yeah11:53
marcin`Hobbsee: but in Europe we learn about defenestration in high school11:53
LaserJockhi minghua11:54
LaserJockyeah, no defenestrations here ;-)11:54

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