[12:51] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: idle for 12 hours - must be out for the night
[12:52] <Hobbsee> and morning
[12:52] <Hobbsee> no, still night - i cant figure out timezones
[12:52] <LaserJock> 12 hours, jeeze. How can he survive without IRC that long ;-)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:53] <LaserJock> I don't drink coffee, I just start IRC
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[12:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, or start browsing the net, either works
[12:54] <LaserJock> yeah, first thing in the morning, I pop open the laptop and get on IRC and check the email.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> heh - i see that i'm not alone
[12:55] <Hobbsee> much to my mother's discust
[12:55] <Hobbsee> s/discust/disgust
[12:56] <LaserJock> and my wife's :(
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[12:58] <LaserJock> I've heard more than once, "You need to divorce your computer!"
[01:01] <Hobbsee> eep!
[01:01] <Hobbsee> i've heard the "sharing the same computer is spelt divorce" but not that one
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ugh, malone search is borked.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> or not
[03:25] <freeflying> Hobbsee: morning
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying 
[03:29] <Hobbsee_away> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/32442 for tonio_
[04:03] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> you're kidding...this cant be such a simple fix for a bug that's been annoying me for ages...
[04:33] <Hobbsee> no, it's not, the bug is still there.  didnt think so.
[04:33] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: do you ever get the feeling that your just talking to yourself :-)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:34] <Hobbsee> sure
[05:24] <freeflying> Hobbsee: r u here now ?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yeah
[05:25] <freeflying> Hobbsee: can ou play mp3 file with amarok-xine now 
[05:26] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yep
[05:27] <freeflying> Hobbsee: with the latest amarok in dapper ?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:27] <Hobbsee> no, wait
[05:27] <Hobbsee> 1.3.8
[05:28] <freeflying> Hobbsee: 1.3.8-0ubuntu6
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Version: 2:1.3.8-0ubuntu6
[05:29] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:30] <freeflying> use xine as engine
[05:31] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:18] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I can not play mp3 with amarok-xine .although I've w32codecs installed 
[06:18] <Hobbsee> i dont have w32codecs installed, my system plays mp3's fine
[06:25] <freeflying> Hobbsee: if you haven't w32codecs installed , how can you play mp3 with amarok-xin 
[06:25] <Hobbsee> i honestly have no idea...
[06:25] <Hobbsee> at least, i ahvent installed it, so unless it installed it via a previous repo or something, or somehow carried over with my /home folder...i dont know
[06:26] <Lathiat> w32codecs is needed with xine i think yeh
[06:26] <Lathiat> its a dodgy package
[06:26] <Lathiat> google for ubuntu w32codecs and you can find it
[06:26] <Lathiat> or install gstreamer0.8-mad and amarok-gstreamer
[06:40] <freeflying> Lathiat:  it's seems that amarok can not uset gst as engine now 
[08:59] <nlindblad> how come there's no more xorgcfg in Dapper?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> man this thing likes having problems!
[01:49] <kmon> hi
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hey kmon 
[01:51] <kmon> kubuntu seems to be more polished as of today, congratulations everyone :)
[01:51] <kmon> anyone know if usplash-down will enter dapper?
[01:52] <kmon> or on the contrary it's been deferred?
[01:54] <OculusAquilae> kmon: what is usplash-down?
[01:55] <kmon> usplash but when rebooting/halting the distro
[01:55] <kmon> so insted of a forward progress bar you need a backwards bar
[01:57] <OculusAquilae> ah
[01:57] <OculusAquilae> thanks
[02:00] <kmon> lastest usplash packages included a executable called: /usr/sbin/usplash_down
[02:00] <kmon> but it's not used yet
[02:00] <kmon> at least in kubuntu
[06:01] <jjesse> just wanted to say upgraded finally to flight 4 w/ a fresh install and it rocks :)
[06:03] <jpatrick> jjesse: cool :)
[06:04] <Lure> jjesse: true - it is just nice
[06:04] <Lure> jjesse: did you manage to configure KMail with Exchange
[06:10] <jpatrick> re jjesse_ 
[06:14] <jpatrick> hey robotgeek 
[06:15] <robotgeek> hey jpatrick
[06:21] <jpatrick> jjesse: any part of the docs I can help with?
[06:23] <robotgeek> jpatrick: heh, you can help with Kubuntu Desktop Guide too :)
[06:24] <jpatrick> robotgeek: ok, it's just that with FF I can't make NEW packages
[06:25] <robotgeek> jpatrick: heh, good for the doc team :)
[06:26] <jpatrick> :)
[06:29] <robotgeek> jpatrick: there's still a tips and tricks which needs major love 
[06:30] <robotgeek> jpatrick: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html is the UDG, only the last section needs some major love
[06:31] <jpatrick> ok then:
[06:31] <jpatrick> ;-)
[06:32] <robotgeek> jpatrick: don't worry about the add-applications stuff not being in there, it has not been commited yet
[06:33] <jpatrick> robotgeek: the "getting more help" bit?
[06:34] <robotgeek> jpatrick: no, i am trying to maintain the structure as close to the UDG as possible. The second chapter isn't commited yet
[06:35] <robotgeek> jpatrick: getting more help is done, i think. 
[06:35] <jpatrick> saw that
[06:35] <robotgeek> jpatrick: 4. Configuring Your System needs love :)
[06:35] <jpatrick> ok
[06:36] <jpatrick> too bad I only use KDE
[06:36] <robotgeek> hopefully, it will be up for review by next week. 
[06:36] <robotgeek> jpatrick: i use kde only too, but we needs to make equivalent substituions, that makes it easy for us :)
[06:38] <robotgeek> jpatrick: i need to go right now, feel free to ask on mailing list/ -doc if you need anything
[06:38] <jpatrick> oh I see
[06:39] <jpatrick> you want me to do for KDG what UDG has done
[06:39] <robotgeek> jpatrick: exactly, no need to start from scratch :)
[06:39] <jpatrick> cya robotgeek 
[06:39] <robotgeek> jpatrick: thanks for the help!
[06:39] <jpatrick> no problem
[07:44] <verwilst> hello Riddell
[07:44] <verwilst> you were at fosdem today?
[07:45] <verwilst> i went in for a few mins, but i don't saw anybody there i recognized :(
[07:45] <verwilst> didn't see*
[08:10] <jpatrick> hey LaserJock 
[08:10] <LaserJock> hi jpatrick 
[08:12] <LaserJock> is Riddell around?
[08:13] <jpatrick> No (I think)
[08:13] <LaserJock> hmm, jjesse?
[08:13] <seaLne> in that he hasn't said anything on irc so far today
[08:13] <jpatrick> I haven't seen him today (or yesterday)
[08:14] <jpatrick> me neither
[08:14] <jpatrick> s/me/him
[08:15] <jpatrick> LaserJock: can I help with Packaging Guide?
[08:16] <LaserJock> jpatrick: sure, I'm always needing help :-)
[08:16] <jpatrick> cool :)
[08:16] <LaserJock> in fact I was going to ask you if you could do a little section on pacakging for Kubuntu
[08:18] <jpatrick> fine :)
[08:19] <LaserJock> jpatrick: do you have a doc team svn repo checkout?
[08:19] <jpatrick> I have the svn here
[08:19] <jpatrick> going though it
[08:20] <LaserJock> jpatrick: ok, so the packaging guide is in generic/ , it also gets built into html daily at doc.ubuntu.com
[08:20] <jpatrick> I saw that
[08:21] <jpatrick> how can it be kubuntu-specific?
[08:22] <LaserJock> well, I mean packaging for KDE
[08:24] <jpatrick> okay
[08:25] <jpatrick> I see now
[08:25] <LaserJock> does that make sense?
[08:25] <jpatrick> 1) .pot file generation, etc
[08:26] <LaserJock> I mean, I just want to make sure any issues specific to Kubuntu(KDE) are addressed.
[08:26] <jpatrick> yes
[08:31] <jpatrick> gotta learn docbook....
[08:31] <LaserJock> jpatrick: if you don't want to or don't have time you can just email me the text and I'll docbookize it ;-)
[08:31] <jpatrick> I'll be fine - I'll try
[08:55] <LaserJock> jpatrick: uhh oh :(
[08:55] <Tm_T> jpatrick: =)
[08:55] <jpatrick> well on my /home hdd
[08:56] <Tm_T> jpatrick: rm -rf /prOn
[08:56] <jpatrick> :P
[08:56] <LaserJock> wow
[08:56] <Tm_T> =)
[08:56] <jpatrick> seaLne: rofl
[08:56] <seaLne> Tm_T: surely it would be rm -rf ~/work before ~/pr0n :)
[08:57] <jpatrick> this is what happens when you rip too many cds
[08:57] <LaserJock> I've never been close to filling up that much space. I generally use about 20-30 GB out of 120GB
[08:57] <jpatrick> LaserJock: well in total I have around 16GBs space on this old thing
[08:57] <Tm_T> seaLne: sad but true, yes ;(
[08:57] <seaLne> heh
[08:58] <seaLne> speaking of backups anyone know how to work around differing versions of rdiff-backup breezy/sarge
[08:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't have any ~/pr0n, but Unreal Tournament and America's Army take up quite a bit ;-)
[08:59] <Tm_T> jpatrick: have you noticed those two brothers in #kubuntu does make a lot of noise?
[08:59] <seaLne> err dapper/sarge
[08:59] <jpatrick> tomas_ && another?
[09:01] <jpatrick> d'oh he left
[09:02] <Tm_T> :p
[09:02] <Tm_T> jpatrick: yup, I was almost ready to kick him but they gave up "international" part from conversation
[09:05] <jpatrick> seaLne: not in kmenu
[09:05] <seaLne> the only main difference i could see was it had an unknown icon for knode and never showed the exec icon
[09:06] <seaLne> jpatrick: is that the reason? katapult only shows stuff from kmenu?
[09:06] <jpatrick> LaserJock_away: for when you come back: http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot285fa.png <- how do make the "Generating..." part a subtitle?
[09:06] <jpatrick> seaLne: yep
[09:06] <jpatrick> it check .desktop files there i think
[09:07] <seaLne> ah, i was confused by why even xterm worked
[09:08] <LaserJock_away> jpatrick: <sect1> or <sect2> I think, wiki.ubuntu.com/DocBook and w.u.c./DocBookReference ;-)
[09:08] <seaLne> jpatrick: why can't it read all .desktop files?
[09:08] <nlindblad> whoever wrote katapult, I love you
[09:09] <jpatrick> nlindblad: tvo, Mez and some others
[09:09] <jpatrick> right-click icon -> About Katapult
[09:10] <jpatrick> seaLne: dunno
[09:10] <nlindblad> right-click where?
[09:10] <nlindblad> on the launcher?
[09:10] <seaLne> jpatrick: in breezy knode runs from katapult
[09:10] <jpatrick> right-click (systray) icon
[09:10] <jpatrick> hmm, not here
[09:11] <seaLne> jpatrick: that last comment in relation to knode?
[09:11] <jpatrick> I type it and nothing happens
[09:12] <nlindblad> I have no systray for it
[09:12] <seaLne> works for me with or without kontatct running
[09:12] <seaLne> 3.5.1?
[09:13] <jpatrick> yes
[09:13] <seaLne> strange
[09:15] <seaLne> anyone else on breezy able to test katapult and knode?
[09:16] <jpatrick> Tm_T: some people are been rude on #kubuntu
[09:16] <Tm_T> ?
[09:17] <Tm_T> jpatrick: tell me more (bit blind atm)
[09:17] <jpatrick> [21:14:06]  <kylev> fucking lame
[09:18] <Tm_T> aaah
[09:19] <Tm_T> oh well, have to watch if I have a chance to kick some asses ;-P
[09:19] <jpatrick> but noisy today too
[09:21] <jpatrick> rock! http://img497.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot294vw.png
[09:21] <Tm_T> :o
[09:24] <apokryphos> jpatrick: how did you get the location bar to stay there? I do it, and (mysteriously -- I'm serious), the main toolbar and the location one go on to seperate lines and then absolutely refuse to stay on one again
[09:24] <apokryphos> though tbh I can't figure out how to get rid of the blasted Google bar, too (kind of consider it obsolete with the handy gg: konq shortcuts)
[09:25] <jpatrick> apokryphos: it was like that
[09:25] <apokryphos> it's been one of konqueror's recurring idiosyncrasies for me. Odd :P
[09:30] <nlindblad> OMG, I love yakuake
[09:31] <jpatrick> Tm_T: those two are gonna gibberish the whole day
[09:31] <jpatrick> nlindblad: you love alot of thing
[09:31] <jpatrick> things*
[09:31] <nlindblad> nah, just kick-ass KDE apps
[09:31] <Tm_T> I hate lot of things
[09:31] <Tm_T> atm I hate people in general
[09:32] <nlindblad> Tm_T: don't hate me!
[09:32] <jpatrick> I think he already does
[09:33] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[09:33] <jpatrick> ^^ he's a bull - they kill those in spain
[09:34] <Tm_T> yup
[09:34] <jpatrick> I've seen them at it
[09:36] <jpatrick> re allee 
[09:36] <allee> hi jpatrick 
[09:37] <toma> evening allee
[09:37] <allee> toma: hi
[09:37] <allee> toma: tonight is digikam bug day ;)
[09:38] <allee> toma: last fix, fixed ppc but broke amd64 :(
[09:38] <toma> i saw it
[09:38] <toma> nice catch
[09:38] <allee> toma: I extract Gilles send patch version 
[09:39] <allee> s/send/second/
[09:40] <allee> toma: do you think you feel like working on media again before 0.9?
[09:40] <nlindblad> how do you switch between tabs in konsole?
[09:40] <toma> allee: i've worked on a library untill 4am this morning
[09:40] <allee> nlindblad: shift-left/right
[09:40] <allee> toma: oh, great.
[09:41] <toma> allee: i think that is a better solution.
[09:41] <allee> toma: I think Gilles work is important for semi-profis, but media is important for all ;)
[09:41] <nlindblad> thanks
[09:41] <allee> toma: agreed.  I'm looking forward to use the lib for codeine
[09:42] <jpatrick> Tm_T: looks like they've gone to chat on msn
[09:42] <toma> allee: im just unsure what to do with the code, upload in playground or just plain copies where needed
[09:42] <toma> in other words, pack it or not
[09:43] <allee> toma: lets try them with two/three apps via copy.  If API is proven to be flexible enough, but it in library
[09:43] <allee> sigh s/put/but/
[09:43] <toma> oki
[09:43] <allee> s/but/put/ even
[09:44] <toma> i need two evenings to wrap it up next week, then i'll clean up digikam and maybe give you a patch for codeine
[09:45] <allee> whow that would be great!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:46] <toma> yeah, strange thing is that all functionality is in kde, only very hidden, so it is just a convinience lib
[09:57] <Tm_T> jpatrick: yup
[10:11] <Riddell> hunger: at fosdem?
[10:15] <Tm_T> jpatrick: peaceful there now ;)
[10:18] <Tm_T> gnight ->
[10:28] <jpatrick> hello kmon 
[10:28] <kmon> hi jpatrick
[10:42] <kmon> jpatrick: do you know if kubuntu will go with klaptop or kpowersave?
[10:42] <jpatrick> not sure
[10:42] <jpatrick> I think Lure was working on that
[10:43] <Lure> kmon: problem with kpowersave is that it does not go well with powernowd
[10:43] <Lure> and powernowd is required by *-desktop meta package
[10:44] <kmon> yes, the other day I was about to give it a go, but noticed that removal
[10:44] <kmon> so I didn't do it.
[10:44] <Lure> otherwise I like the design and split of daemon and applet code
[10:45] <Lure> but it does not go well with Ubuntu/g-p-m minimalistic way
[10:45] <Lure> It would be worth to open discussion with ubuntu-laptop people for Dapper+1
[10:46] <Lure> maybe we can find a way for interoperability
[10:50] <Lure> jpatrick: where is the image and resolution specified for new default moodin
[10:50] <jpatrick> In it's config
[10:50] <Lure> Theme.rc seems not to be enough
[10:50] <jpatrick> :/
[10:51] <Lure> I have changed Bacground and BaseResultion to match my screen, but I still get resized
[10:52] <jpatrick> that is odd
[10:52] <Lure> Readme mentioned that I should repackage and install again
[10:53] <jpatrick> try iy
[10:53] <jpatrick> it*
[11:10] <jpatrick> LaserJock: this is coming on really well
[11:11] <LaserJock> jpatrick: great
[11:11] <jpatrick> doing the REVU bit now
[11:20] <LaserJock> jpatrick: when you get a chunck done could you email it to me? it is easier if I deal with more than one small diff than one big one. 
[11:21] <jpatrick> yes, I've read that
[11:21] <jpatrick> gonna finish revu-part and send
[11:21] <LaserJock> ok, great
[11:24] <jpatrick> too bad, Riddell removed kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff from the site
[11:27] <jpatrick> kubuntu section's html file isn't being created here
[11:27] <LaserJock> jpatrick: where?
[11:28] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/572424
[11:31] <LaserJock> jpatrick: could be it isn't validating or it is in with another section.