[12:07] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=BjornT]  fix bug 32728 (need search by milestone facility) (r3198: Brad Bollenbach)
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[01:10] <mruiz> hello!I have a question: How is the correct way to report a Dapper bug? Go to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bugs ? (currently has only 1 bug!) Many times I reported bugs in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[01:12] <mruiz> someone can help me?
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[01:37] <ddaa> mruiz: every is in bed here, you may have more luck asking in #ubuntu
[01:37] <ddaa> this channel is mainly about launchpad.net development, not about ubuntu
[01:38] <Lathiat> mruiz: if youve reported bugs, go into your personal context (click your name top right, select bugs and select reported)
[01:38] <mruiz> ddaa: but I'm using LP!
[01:39] <ddaa> mruiz: I understand you are using LP, but the proper way to report dapper bug is a ubuntu policy thing
[01:39] <mpt> mruiz has a point, though
[01:39] <mruiz> ddaa: thanks!
[01:39] <ddaa> I work for canonical on launchpad and I have not the least clue about how one should report bugs on dapper
[01:39] <ddaa> mpt: agreed
[01:39] <mpt> ddaa, you should be concerned about that :-)
[01:40] <ddaa> mpt: any idea how to fix that?
[01:40] <mpt> I don't know either
[01:40] <mpt> It seems bizarre to me that https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bugs contains only 1 bug
[01:40] <Lathiat> is that reporting things that are reported in "Ubuntu"
[01:40] <Lathiat> as opposed to a source package of it?
[01:41] <mpt> And it's only 2 hours old, and presumably other people have reported Dapper bugs before, so presumably they disappear somehow
[01:41] <mruiz> mpt: for this reason I did my question
[01:41] <mpt> ahhh, good point Lathiat
[01:41] <ddaa> mpt: well, the fact is I'm really not interested in distro things... I guess maybe all launchpad folks should have some docs to read to know about basic ubuntu policies...
[01:41] <Lathiat> hrm no in the list of requested fixes it seems to be of a source package
[01:41] <Lathiat> coudl be "kmess (Ubuntu Dapper)" vs "kmess (Ubuntu)" tho
[01:41] <Lathiat> ?
[01:41] <mpt> hrmmm
[01:42] <mpt> Release bugs:
[01:42] <mpt> Dapper (1)
[01:42] <mpt> Breezy (29)
[01:42] <mpt> Hoary (8)
[01:42] <mpt> Warty (2)
[01:43] <mpt> That's crazy talk!
[01:43] <mruiz> :S
[01:45] <raphink> mpt: seems normal
[01:45] <raphink> mpt: most bugs are not marked as specific to dapper
[01:45] <raphink> so if you look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs instead of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bugs
[01:45] <raphink> you'll find many more bugs ;)
[01:45] <mpt> 8388, right
[01:45] <mpt> but, but
[01:45] <mpt> If I'm testing Dapper
[01:46] <mpt> and I find a bug
[01:46] <mpt> oh, I'll go and report that about Dapper
[01:46] <mpt> and it'll be one of two whole bugs on Dapper
[01:46] <mpt> that ain't right
[01:46] <raphink> sure
[01:46] <raphink> mpt: if you think more bugs are specific to dapper
[01:46] <raphink> you can do bug management
[01:46] <raphink> that helps ;)
[01:47] <mpt> I'm a Launchpad developer, I don't have time for grunt work like that :-P
[01:47] <mpt> I'm interested in making the grunt work easier, though
[01:47] <raphink> ok :)
[01:47] <mruiz> I think that LP must be only one way to report a relese bug
[01:47] <mpt> Humm, maybe this is because Malone doesn't have "infestations"
[01:48] <mpt> e.g. "this bug occurs in Warty, Hoary, and Dapper, but not Breezy, and you might like to know that even though we're only going to fix it in Dapper"
[01:49] <raphink> of course
[01:50] <mpt> This is related to bug 228
[01:51] <ddaa> wow, three figures, that's old
[01:51] <mpt> wake up Ubugtu!
[01:51] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/228
[01:51] <raphink> Ubugtu is having a deep beauty sleep it seems
[01:51] <mpt> and bug 28710
[01:51] <Ubugtu> malone bug 28710 in malone "Bug filing UI is confusing for release-oriented bug reporters" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28710
[01:53] <ddaa> good night
[02:06] <mpt> Reported bug 32795
[02:06] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32795 in malone "Distribution release Bugs pages and portlet list hardly any bugs" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32795
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[06:39] <fatejudger> something is wrong with launchpad
[06:39] <fatejudger> I can't submit my bug
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[08:48] <Mez> lmao @ googling suse bugtracker
[08:48] <Mez> nice to know launchpad is first
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[11:12] <mpt__> Mez, I don't see Launchpad in the results for suse bugtracker, nor suse bugtracker
[11:12] <mpt__> bug tracker, rather
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[11:20] <mpt> And I get similarly crappy results for ubuntu bug tracker
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[11:22] <sivang> mpt: mee too
[11:38] <mpt> though with suse, http://www.opensuse.org/Submit_a_bug comes in at #22
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[03:24] <gusaweb> hi
[03:25] <gusaweb> Could you telle me if there is document describing the use of launchpad?
[03:45] <ddaa> yay! bulk signing of bzr branches started!
[03:46] <ddaa> elmo: please, do not pull the plug on galapagos and neumayer this week-end...
[03:48] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  DB permission tweaks for rosetta auto-imports (r3199: Celso Providelo)
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[04:10] <gusaweb> will launchpad be available in other langages ?
[04:10] <gusaweb> i have just seen that it is not possible to translate it
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[08:36] <jelkner> jblack: james, are you here?
[08:38] <jelkner> whois jblack
[08:38] <jelkner> oops
[09:26] <jblack> jelkner: Yeah
[09:37] <jelkner> jblack: i'm back again, are you still here ;-)
[09:37] <jelkner> ?
[09:38] <jelkner> i wanted to ask you a few questions about lauchpad.
[09:38] <jelkner> 1 specific and 1 general
[09:43] <jelkner> Specific question: i've created a lauchpad project for a small software development project on which a few of my students are working:
[09:43] <jelkner> https://launchpad.net/products/gasp
[09:44] <jelkner> we don't yet have any place to put the software that is accessible on the net.
[09:45] <jelkner> is it possible to create a bzr repository for the software on lauchpad?
[09:45] <jelkner> if so, how?
[09:46] <jelkner> General question:  is it too early to be creating community projects like this on launchpad?
[09:46] <jelkner> do you all want projects like this to be created now, or would you encourage me to wait until some later date before doing this?
[09:47] <mdke> if jblack isn't still around, you can mail him as per http://www.sourcecontrol.net/?action=getmirrored
[09:47] <mdke> (specific question)
[09:47] <mdke> as for the general one, I don't know for sure, but it sounds absolutely the sort of thing that is encouraged. Anything can be created in launchpad
[09:48] <mdke> the more projects the better AFAICS
[09:48] <jelkner> thanks mdke!
[09:48] <jelkner> AFAICS?
[09:48] <mdke> as far as i can see
[09:48] <mdke> :)
[09:49] <jelkner> mdke: can i ask you more about this general question?
[09:49] <mdke> yes, but I dont work on LP so I will only try to answer
[09:50] <jelkner> fair enough, perhaps you could tell me who to ask if you can't answer...
[09:50] <jelkner> i'm here at pycon
[09:50] <mdke> sure thing
[09:50] <jelkner> i've been trying to find anyone i can interested in python for use in education
[09:50] <jelkner> we had a bof yesterday that was very successful
[09:51] <jelkner> we need a community building space for software, educational materials (books, lessons, etc)
[09:51] <jelkner> i was wondering if part of the vision of launchpad is to be such a space?
[09:52] <mdke> what is a community building space?
[09:52] <jelkner> well, i guess it would have several components:
[09:53] <jelkner> 1. email list (we already have that (edu-sig@python.org)
[09:53] <jelkner> 2. software repository (we don't have this, though folks suggested we try python-hosting.com)
[09:53] <jelkner> 3. web space / wiki space
[09:54] <mdke> LP doesn't provide any server resources at the moment, as far as I know. I don't think it has the finances
[09:54] <jelkner> ahh
[09:54] <mdke> there is only one person you can ask about that :)
[09:54] <jelkner> sabdfl?
[09:54] <mdke> yes
[09:55] <jelkner> our loco team has web space already
[09:55] <mdke> education and python together sound like they would strike a chord though
[09:55] <jelkner> yes, and my hope is to have all this rolled into edubuntu
[09:56] <jelkner> what we don't have is a bzr repository
[09:56] <jelkner> perhaps we should set that up on our loco team site?
[09:56] <mdke> well i'm pretty sure you can get that at sourcecontrol.net
[09:56] <mdke> if not, then definitely email mark. It sounds like something that might be worth keeping separate from the ubuntu loco stuff
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[09:57] <jblack> jelkner: Here.
[09:57] <jelkner> hi james
[09:57] <jblack> jelkner: Yes.
[09:57] <jblack> jelner: Yes.
[09:58] <jblack> jelkner: can we start over?
[09:58] <jelkner> where do you want me to start?
[09:58] <jblack> Yeah, you can list your bzr branches at your launchpad project.
[09:58] <jelkner> i'm still not sure how this works
[09:58] <jelkner> here is our situation:
[09:59] <jelkner> we have a few high school kids working on a project on their laptops and school desktop machines
[09:59] <jblack> ok
[09:59] <jelkner> we don't as yet have a network available repository
[09:59] <jblack> ok
[09:59] <jelkner> i setup a launchpad project
[09:59] <jelkner> but i don't know how the bzr thing is supposed to work?
[10:00] <jblack> Ok. I see where your at.
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[10:00] <jblack> Yeah, plan to give you exactly the workflow that you want. That a project can have all of its users upload the branches for the project.
[10:01] <jblack> Today, we support copying branches that are already publicly available. 
[10:01] <jelkner> ahh
[10:01] <jelkner> so we need to wait
[10:01] <kjcole> Hi jelkner. Sorry it took so long for me to arrive.  
[10:01] <jblack> For that specificially, yeah. But I'm sure we can help you with a workaround.
[10:01] <jelkner> i asked mathew about what i'm trying to do with another broader project
[10:02] <jelkner> he suggested i email sabdfl
[10:02] <jblack> How big is this project and how many students are involved?
[10:02] <jelkner> we are trying to get together a community of projects around python in education
[10:02] <jelkner> (i'm here at pycon)
[10:02] <kjcole> (as am I)
[10:02] <jelkner> the dc loco team already has web space
[10:03] <jelkner> the dc loco team could host this project on that space
[10:03] <jblack> Which matthew suggested you talk directly with sabdfl/
[10:03] <jelkner> yes
[10:03] <jelkner> he thought that the project might warrent a different solution
[10:03] <jblack> I know several matthews. Do you know which one of them? 
[10:03] <jelkner> mdke
[10:04] <jblack> Probably yeah.
[10:04] <kjcole> jblack, I've replaced Paul Flint as the DC LoCo "leader" such as I am.  The web space we have is a bit messed up: Too much of it redirects to a wiki there at the moment.
[10:05] <jblack> jelkner: Is there a good email about all this that you can forward me? I can respond to you for any of the particular details that are likely to be needed, and then send the response for that that off to mark. Does that sound good?
[10:05] <jelkner> yes
[10:05] <jelkner> what email should i use?
[10:05] <jelkner> i'll write it now
[10:06] <jelkner> i need to move on this quickly, while we have an energized bunch of folks expressing an interest in getting involved
[10:06] <jblack> Ok. A quick description of the project, how you're saving the world, how many people are involved, and your needs.
[10:06] <jelkner> yup
[10:06] <jelkner> which email?
[10:06] <jblack> quickly over a term of..
[10:07] <jblack> james.blackwell@canonical.com, though I'll be replying via a different address.
[10:07] <jelkner> cool
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[10:08] <kjcole> jblack, at some point soon I hope to get back with you about banging around in bzr...
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[10:08] <sits> hello?
[10:08] <jblack> jelkner: You said quick. Is that quick as in days, as in I have time to go get some breakfast and grocery shopping? Or quick as in hours in that I have time to use the restroom?
[10:09] <jblack> kjcole: Definitely. What can I give you, generally speaking?
[10:09] <kjcole> I think you have time for the restroom.  ;-) He's hot to trot. ;-)
[10:09] <jelkner> lol
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[10:10] <jblack> mdke: Thanks for hooking up jelkner and I
[10:10] <mdke> o.o
[10:10] <mdke> my pleasure
[10:10] <jelkner> i would say it would be great if i could start flooding the edu-sig@python.org mailing list with new sometime in the next week
[10:10] <jelkner> s/new/news
[10:10] <kjcole> jblack, we'd once spoken about my confusion with resolving conflicts by perhaps creating simple examples and trying to merge them.
[10:10] <jblack> Ok. Good. Yeah. I can help you flood. 
[10:11] <jblack> My wording doesn't look very good. I mean I can help you with the questions you have, so that you can get the word out.
[10:12] <mdke> jblack, you host bzr branches don't you? how do projects qualify to get onto that?
[10:12] <jblack> kjcole: You're still having trouble with conflicts, eh? Yeah. We can take another stab at it.
[10:12] <kjcole> jblack, I haven't had as much time to play recently, and need to get back to it soon.  I spoke briefly with Martin Pool yesterday, and he was very sympathetic to the fact that one can't always depend on bzr users having come from a previous RCS.
[10:12] <mdke> i wasn't sure whether jelkner's thing qualified or not
[10:12] <jblack> mdke: Yes, I occasionally personally host branches.
[10:12] <mdke> i mean at sourcecontrol
[10:13] <mdke> that supermirror thingy
[10:14] <jblack> Ahh, the supermirror is the companies. =)
[10:14] <kjcole> jelkner had questions about use too, but I gather he's already covered some of that shortly before I signed on today...
[10:14] <jblack> Yeah. There's a variety of things for bazaar 1.x. We're working on the bazaar-ng stuff right now.
[10:15] <mdke> jblack, so what qualifies for inclusion on the supermirror. the website kinda makes it sounds like you'll host anything :D
[10:15] <mdke> s/./?
[10:15] <jblack> The bazaar-ng stuff can take a copy of of a branch. It doesn't yet have the ability to upload directly.
[10:15] <mdke> ah right
[10:16] <jblack> mdke: The pages you are looking at are the old pre-company stuff. 
[10:16] <jblack> The person that made that originally is still here (/me waves), but originally was written with a whole different revision control system in mind. :)
[10:16] <mdke> ok...
[10:17] <kjcole> I noticed during Martin's presentation here yesterday a screenshot of a bzrtool that I didn't run across.  Are the various tools documented or should I be hunting through source?
[10:17] <jblack> Thew newer version of the software is integrated into launchpad.
[10:17] <mdke> ohhhh
[10:17] <jblack> kjcole: We have a big pile of them at http://bazaar-vcs.org. Look for the tools link on the right
[10:19] <jblack> kjcole: How long will you be online? 
[10:19] <kjcole> Another hour and a half.
[10:20] <jblack> When do you come on tomorrow?
[10:21] <jblack> kjcole: Are you headed off to bed soon? 
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[10:24] <kjcole> jblack, good question.  I'm at PyCon and the wireless connection's been unreliable for me.  I'll probably wait til I'm back in DC before trying stuff.
[10:24] <kjcole> jblack, (I only got onto IRC because yesterday Jeff asked me who I'd talked to about bzr, launchpad, etc. I mentioned you and today he told me he was trying to reach you on IRC...)
[10:24] <jblack> Other than getting food, I'll be here for the next 12 hours. :)
[10:25] <kjcole> jblack, Although PyCon has messed with my sleep schedule, no.  It's 3:24 PM here. ;-)
[10:25] <jblack> Yeah. Its 16:25 here, but I work at night.
[10:25] <jblack> That gives me most of the australian day and a good chuck of the euro day.
[10:26] <kjcole> jblack, so I guess "soon" is a relative term.  I'll be off to the party at 5:30-ish, and after that who knows?
[10:26] <jblack> kjcole: Ok. As soon as you start settling down, we'll get together and we'll take another shot at it. There's even more code in bzr that makes which side of the conflict is what.
[10:27] <kjcole> jblack, (The party at Nerd Books is far enough away that they're running shuttles between the hotel and the store.)
[10:28] <kjcole> jblack, cool.  I've been synching with ~scott and ~jbailey repositories for bzr, but maybe it's time to stop that?
[10:29] <jblack> You're only allowed to talk to one person at a time?
[10:30] <kjcole> jblack, I'm not sure I followed your meaning.
[10:30] <jblack> I'm the support/doc/advocacy/website/community guy, so I'm a good person to talk to. I'm not a jealous sort and don't feel bad if you talk to others. :)
[10:30] <kjcole> jblack, no I didn't mean I'd been talking to them.  I meant I saw something on the wiki a few months ago that pointed me to 
[10:31] <kjcole> their apt repositories for getting bzr stuff.  But I gathered it was perhaps pretty bleeding edge, and now I'm wondering if I should remove those as repositories as it sounds like bzr's further along.
[10:31] <jblack> Ohhh. Yeah. jbailey's has been shurt off I think.
[10:32] <jblack> Well, I miskpeak.
[10:32] <jblack> jbailey still has nightly packages for the official dev. You're welcome to them. =)
[10:33] <kjcole> jblack, I think you're right.  In the last couple of days synaptic's been complaining about some repository and I haven't bothered to check which one.
[10:34] <jblack> kjcole: Why don't you send me an email about what the things that we're going to talk about while I'm off at breakfast?
[10:34] <kjcole> OK.
[10:35] <jblack> Please include the information that you've having info with synaptic so that I don't forget to look at it.
[10:35] <kjcole> I'm gonna signout of IRC soon and do other stuff.  Talk to you later.
[10:35] <jblack> having trouble with synaptic. (can you tell I haven't had coffee yet?)
[10:35] <kjcole> Right.  Later.  I'm a diet coke man myself.
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[10:57] <jblack> jelker: got it.
[11:04] <jelkner> jblack: i just sent a follow up