[12:05] robotgeek: it's ok and it uses an irssi engine supposedly, but it doesn't show the away status :( [12:05] LaserJock: as in the away "message" or just plain away? [12:06] robotgeek: as in, in the users list I can't tell if people are away or not. [12:06] LaserJock: hmm, okay. konversation (dapper) seems to be working fine [12:07] yeah, I loved having a konsole tab [12:08] but now I have to find OSX alternatives, or at least find OSX ports :( [12:09] i suppose you are using irssi in OS X [12:09] as in http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/xchat ? [12:09] (or http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/konversation ) [12:10] crimsun: fink doesn't really work for me yet. but I just found an xchat-aqua === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-153-97.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:15] hmm, brb === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:15] oh, very nice. === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:18] howdy Madpilot [12:18] hi Madpilot [12:18] hi [12:20] salut Madpilot [12:26] hi Burgwork - I'm home with a bug, lucky me... :P [12:27] I'm sure there's a malone joke to be made there somewhere. [12:27] lol [12:28] oh joy [12:28] I had sistpoty sponsor an upload of bugsx for me, but he said that he sure hated uploading bugs ;-) [12:28] remind me not to talk to you for at few days, I need to finish this bloody book [12:30] Burgwork: your response is very generous :P [12:30] Burgwork: I'm sure it will be really cool once it's done though. I look forward to it [12:43] robotgeek, pong [12:44] LaserJock, nice work on that copyright stuff [12:46] LaserJock: have we changed all the docs over to GPL, then? I thought most of them were still dual CC-By-SA/GFDL? [12:46] Madpilot: no [12:46] Madpilot, no [12:46] Madpilot: the Packaging Guide is the only GPL'd doc [12:46] so why do we need the GPL stuff in the UDG? [12:46] Madpilot, it's just the scripts that are gpl [12:47] I GPL'd the shell scripts [12:47] and the Makefiles [12:47] mdke: the only thing I am still concerned about is the .css files [12:47] OK, I misunderstood the commit emails, then [12:47] never mind [12:47] mdke: some of them are GPL'd but others seem to be sort of PD and some don't have anything [12:48] Madpilot: might have just been my commit logs confusing you :( [12:48] LaserJock, right. they are possibly based on the ubuntu css... [12:48] i'll have a closer look tomorrow [12:48] mdke: so I really don't know what to do with them. Technically I think we should have something. But it really doesn't seem like a big deal [12:49] mdke: other than that I think we are set as far as the ubuntu-docs package. Kubuntu has similar issues but I didn't know if I should mess around there [12:50] it might be worth pointing it out to jjesse or Riddell [12:50] mdke: I was thinking about that. I wonder if they are up? [12:50] riddell is always up [12:50] true :-) [12:51] but emailing the list will work too [12:51] -> bed [12:52] yeah, for some reason I just haven't gotten used to emailing. I read them a lot but I just tend to not send any. [12:52] cya mdke === rob drops in [12:56] hi rob [12:56] hi LaserJock [12:56] hey rob, long time, no see [12:56] yeah, I float around [12:57] work has been smashing me lately [01:06] could someone commit manicka's UDG diff, please? [01:07] LaserJock: I should be working with generic/packagingguide/C, correct? [01:14] crimsun: yeah [01:14] crimsun: sorry, the universities Laser Safety Officer came by :( [01:16] LaserJock: and told you to take the lasers off the shark's heads? :P [01:16] LaserJock: thanks [01:16] Madpilot: actually yeah, we had to replace our cool "shark with laser" warning sign with a boring one [01:17] now is just reads "jordan with laser" :-P [01:17] s/is/it/ [01:18] crimsun: I think it should have my Hackergotchi on LP :-) [01:18] https://launchpad.net/people/mantha [01:19] haha [01:20] crimsun: are you looking at a specific part of the packaging guide or just reviewing it? [01:22] right now I'm fighting termcap, but I'll be reviewing it [01:22] brb, gotta so some quick wavelength separation ;-) [01:22] is there specific portion(s) you want me to prioritise? [01:22] is(are) [01:22] crimsun: no, just the parts that are written ;-) also I'd like you opinion on the overall outline [01:23] k. [01:27] hmm, I don't suppose any of you guys know how to use a Pellin Broca prism? === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:30] ah, wikipedia know ;-) === Burgwork watches Madpilot go to town on people in #ubuntu [01:33] nasty [01:35] hey, I only kicked one person - kicking people for rank stupidity isn't actually allowed :P [01:36] Madpilot: flexing those newly CC approved muscles? ;-) [01:36] well, for stupidity of the "I'm a noob and can't read docs" variety [01:36] LaserJock: just a bit - someone spammed four away messages in about two minutes, so they had to leave... [01:37] #ubuntu is hopping right now [01:37] Madpilot: man, they need you over in #bzr, there was somebody disconnecting and reconnecting every few minutes for days [01:38] in some sections of the desktop guide it says in a note - You must use Synaptic Package Manager to install this package [01:40] should those be in or out? [01:40] manicka: in - those should be on things that aren't in Add Applications [01:41] ah, ok [01:41] Madpilot: but you don't have to use Synaptic for them, maybe it is better to say that you can't use Add Applications? [01:42] it's a desktop guide, we're sticking with the GUI stuff for simplicity [01:42] we advocate a gui solution over any other [01:42] if you know about apt-get, you likely already know that you can install those packages via that [01:42] I think there's a short apt-get section in the Adding Applications chapter, though [01:43] wouldn't a link to Adding, Removing and Updating Applications be better [01:43] manicka, that involves a lot of extra clicking by the user [01:43] sometimes you just have to provide a good default and stick with it [01:43] there's nothing in the apt-get section [01:44] Madpilot, so restore pretty much blew me off today. Most annoyed [01:44] Burgwork: not interested in getting into computers? [01:44] I was more thinking along the lines of what if we have another GUI package manager. I guess we could cross that bridge when we get there. [01:44] "they would have to talk about it" [01:47] mdke: nothing actually, i forgot to compress my patch file, however the situation corrected itself [01:48] mdke: who do i have to speak to about commit access? [01:49] robotgeek: I think currently you need to have mdke or a doc team member send a request to elmo, I think. and then you wait [01:50] LaserJock: ah, okay [01:50] ...and wait, and wait... :P [01:50] robotgeek, are you already a member of Ubuntu-doc on LP? [01:51] Burgwork: only the wiki team, i think. i applied to join, never heard of what happened [01:51] Burgwork: he is a fresh Ubuntu member though [01:51] You are a proposed member of this team. To become an active member your subscription has to bo approved by one of the team's administrators. You can't join this team. [01:52] Burgwork: you're an LP admin for -doc, aren't you? [01:54] for both doc and wiki [01:54] mdke, any objections to making robotgeek a member of ubunut-doc? [01:55] robotgeek, what is your LP name? [01:55] Madpilot: who needed something committed? [01:55] https://launchpad.net/people/robotgeek [01:56] LaserJock: manicka sent a diff to the list [01:56] robotgeek, you are a member of the wiki team [01:56] Burgwork: yes, but not the -doc team, if that makes any diffference [01:57] Madpilot: argg, who's manicka? [01:57] robotgeek, for the doc team I generally ask mdke and jerome if they also approve [01:57] LaserJock: Grant [01:57] wait on that diff [01:57] Madpilot: oh [01:57] Burgwork: sure, no issues. I just need to get my patches in :) [01:57] I'm sending an update [01:57] LaserJock: GrAnT GaLbRaiTh [01:57] that's me [01:58] Madpilot: ok [01:58] manicka: I know; LaserJock's got commit rights, though, so he's useful :P [01:59] I do to, but I am almost never at a machine that I can actually commit from [01:59] anyway, it is the weekend and I am heading home [02:01] brb [02:05] right I am off to sleep - I'll do more over the weekend [02:05] cheers [02:08] manicka: so it's ok to apply this diff? [02:18] manicka: done ;-) === bustacap [n=bustacap@ubuntu/member/bustacap] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:04] robotgeek, what areas of the kubuntu guide need some love at the moment? [03:05] manicka: hmm, uno momento [03:06] manicka: if we maintain the structure of Ubuntu Desktop Guide, 4. Configuring Your System needs lots of love [03:07] no one is working on it atm, i'm trying to wrap up chapter 3. Common Tasks tommorow [03:07] don't forget that mdke and I have drastically changed some of the structure of the UDG in the past two weeks, as well... :P [03:07] k, I'll have a look [03:08] Madpilot: i copied the structure today, i need to make common tasks to be similiar [03:08] Madpilot: i was tempted to write the apt-get section :) [03:08] robotgeek: go ahead, we can copy it back into UDG as well [03:09] Madpilot: yeah, i just got lazy, and did not write it, lol [03:10] Madpilot: i'm going over to a friends place, so i doubt i'll get any work done this weekend [03:10] how much detail would w e want in an apt-get guide [03:10] just the basics? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:11] we're concentrating on the GUI methods - Add App/Synaptic - so just a basic couple of paragraphs on apt-get should be enough [03:12] ok [03:13] manicka: you can take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesCliHowto === LaserJock_away [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgee1 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-114-227.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=thecore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778017.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:10] hello LaserJock [05:10] hi theCore === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:12] theCore: did you see my commit? [05:12] not yet [05:12] I really rearranged stuff [05:14] I didn't received the -commit yet [05:14] wait, I got it [05:16] yep, it is better === LCamel_ [i=luors@chengjeng.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:18] crap, do I need to check out again? [05:20] crimsun: you could just do a "svn up" if you want. we just messed around with the introduction and getting started sections [05:21] crimsun: but you don't have to if you don't want to ;-) [05:21] LaserJock: where I could get a html built ? I doesn't have SVN on my other machine (I'm installing DapperFlight4 right now, on mine ) [05:21] ah, in desktopguide [05:21] orthogonal to my revisions, so it's golden [05:21] crimsun: what about desktopguide? [05:21] crimsun: no, it was in the packaging guide [05:22] crimsun: sorry :( [05:22] hmm [05:22] must not have propagated yet [05:22] U ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks.xml [05:22] Updated to revision 2488. [05:22] crimsun: you might have already gotten my changes [05:22] ah [05:22] 2487 was the changes [05:23] so your good [05:23] LaserJock: hey you wiped my comments :? [05:24] theCore: well, I was having problems with my copy-n-paste so I didn't redo them? do you want them? [05:24] theCore: I don't know that we need them, do we? [05:25] not really, I liked the idea of commenting for the other peoples that could help on the writing, though [05:26] theCore: if you want, the next diff you sennd I'll include them, ok? [05:28] alright, but I don't know if will redo them === theCore [n=thecore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3778017.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] [06:37] mhz: done with your css? [06:37] almost [06:37] my headache is killing me [06:37] bummer [06:37] it has been like this for the last 48 hours or so [06:38] I can hardly sleep [06:38] ugghh [06:38] and your on a computer? [06:38] and I can hardly stay up or sit [06:38] the last couple of hours.. yes [06:38] because i had a lapsus of recovery [06:47] bye all [07:02] just submitted diff for add-applications.xml to list [07:02] overview of apt-get === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-158-126.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez_ [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez_ [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:36] morning [10:41] hi mdke [10:43] yo [10:43] how's it going rob? [10:43] not bad, yourself? [10:45] very well thanks === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.175] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:47] mdke: thanks for asking for my commit access again... we'll see what happens === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:48] Madpilot, np [10:48] manicka's patch is pretty good [10:48] i'm just making a few changes and then I'll commit it [10:49] the apt-get one? haven't looked at the diff, but it'll be nice to have something there [10:50] yeah, it's good stuff [10:50] good [10:51] what Laserjock said about the "You must use synaptic to install this package" notes, he has a point... [10:51] maybe we should say "Use synaptic or apt to install this", or "This is not available in Add/Remove Applications" [10:51] dunno [10:52] I don't like the idea of "This is not available in Add/Remove Applications" - we should always point out where it *is* available [10:53] yeah i agree [10:53] mvo suggested that we could make a list of all the packages we cite which aren't available, and he would make them available. [10:53] i don't know whether that is workable though [10:53] in Add App? [10:54] yes [10:55] including stuff like codecs that're never going to have .desktop files? [10:55] yes, he would make dummy desktop files [10:55] interesting - I don't think it's needed, though - people should be introduced to Synaptic eventually, after all [10:57] i tend to agree [10:57] and I can't be bothered to make such a list [10:57] there's that, too :P [10:57] I've opened a bug on the codecs though, because they are so popular [10:58] desktop files for them? [10:58] yeah [10:59] makes sense - they've got to be the single most-installed set of packages [10:59] yeah [11:00] mdke, when will the docs be frozen? [11:00] ok, we now have an APT section [11:00] rob, 23 March [11:00] iirc [11:00] ah [11:00] check the ReleaseSchedule [11:00] maybe I can do some proof reading or something, time has been getting away from me lately [11:00] hopefully we can start translating earlier though, they are in pretty good shape [11:01] rob, that would be cool. The server guide especially needs a bit of reviewing love [11:02] rob, we've started updating the status tags so it should be pretty obvious from http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/status [11:03] ok, I'll check it out [11:03] I'll have to send patches though if I need to [11:03] oh? [11:03] lost your password? [11:04] we can ask elmo to resend it [11:04] yeah, mostly because I did the job on my PC and forgot to back up my gpg key [11:04] ouch [11:04] what's now known as "doing a Madpilot" [11:04] hehe [11:04] no, I still had my GPG key, but I'd forgotten my password :P [11:05] oh yeah [11:05] yeah I dont't have both [11:05] I think Corey nuked one of his GPG keys reformatting, though [11:05] "doing a corey" then [11:05] Madpilot, see the APT section? [11:05] just updating now [11:05] I did a CoreyMadpilot [11:06] Madpilot, by the way, I've introduced a few things for the DVD section and codecs and such, lemme know what you think about those [11:06] oh and in the "extra repositories" section [11:07] looks good - esp. the Apt section [11:08] I might re-write the Synaptic section there sometime this weekend - it's suffering from a bit of excess verbiage... [11:09] alright [11:09] the paras are a bit long yeah [11:10] i'm just adding some sudo notes to each of those sections [11:10] i LOVE the way yelp displays notes and warnings and stuff [11:10] makes the page look a lot better [11:11] the styling is pretty cool - I'm still getting my head around how much more powerful XML/DocBook is compared to regular HTML/CSS [11:12] ok committed [11:12] I've marked everything as complete except for the synaptic section :D === mdke doesn't believe in hanging around [11:14] cool. that bash alias I posted to the list is so useful - saves a lot of typing during svn updates :P [11:14] yeah I need to apply that === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-12-81.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-163-222.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-12-81.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-192.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-12-81.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:39] mdke: ping [04:42] dsas, pong [04:45] mdke: reading the "windows partition" bit, it tells people to read "list devices" but doesn't really tell people what they should be looking for inside it. Should I write an explanation on the "list devices" bit and explain what they're looking at, or should I explain in the "mount windows partitions bit"? [04:45] mdke: rather it doesn't tell people what they're looking for in the "mount" output. [04:46] yes, that could be clearer, I guess [04:46] if you'd like to expand on the "list devices" section, that would be cool [04:46] oh, hang on, I just realised that the "mount windows partitions" refers to disks manager and not 'list devices' [04:48] oh yeah [04:48] well, any more material there would probably be good [04:48] ok, I'll have a look at it. === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [n=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@213-202-163-222.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-151.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:33] hi Madpilot [08:33] hi LaserJock === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [n=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-12-81.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@72-254-140-8.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:15] hi manicka [11:15] morning :) [11:28] hey manicka LaserJock [11:29] hey [11:29] hi robotgeek [11:29] hopefully i will finish "common-tasks.xml" today, and someone will commit it :) [11:36] i think we can start committing your stuff straight off [11:36] making jjesse do it all is unrealistic, and you are in charge of that doc, so we can just commit no questions asked, IMO [11:36] mdke: yes, that would be nice. [11:36] if it is ok, I can do a lot of it. [11:36] i have about 3 different sets of patches yet to be applied, 2 are one liners, and 1 is major [11:37] hmm [11:37] mail me a single patch? [11:37] with your working copy [11:37] hmm, or you could just apply the big patch now, (one i mailed yesterday) and i will send in the onliners in my next set? [11:38] ok, I'll see if it applies without the others [11:38] gah [11:38] there are four of em [11:38] mdke: yes, it does. the first one is for adept, so not to worry about that. [11:39] pretty self explanatory, i guess :) [11:40] robotgeek, i'm lazy, send me one patch for your whole kubuntu/ directory [11:40] or will that step on peoples' toes? [11:40] mdke: hmm, not really. one moment === atoponce [n=atoponce@c-24-2-85-66.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:42] mdke: i am not done with common-tasks.xml yet, so i'll send you a big diff when i am done? [11:43] sure, I'll apply it tomorrow morning [11:44] cool, hopefully i'll be done with that. doing the whole lists -> procedures conversion right now [11:45] find/replace :) [11:45] mdke: yes, also cleaning up the info. merging stuff from UDG too :) [11:46] cool, yeah that's not an easy job [11:47] well, basically editing the UDG file and pasting where relevant in KDG [11:48] i suddenly also had the urge to clean out my vimrc :) [11:50] robotgeek: really? I'd be interested in a pastebin of that [11:51] Madpilot, i changed the css for the web guides today, any thoughts? [11:51] LaserJock: sure [11:51] manicka, thanks for your patch by the way, that was really helpful [11:51] mdke: haven't looked, will now [11:51] np [11:52] Madpilot, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html [11:52] why is there 4 versions of add-applications now [11:52] mdke: the css for doc.ubuntu.com? [11:53] LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9330 [11:53] robotgeek: thanks [11:53] mdke: looks good [11:54] mdke: I noticed that packaging guide looked different, I like it. [11:54] good === robotgeek will steal manicka's section for KDG [11:54] the lines are a bit closer, and the margins larger, that's about it [11:54] manicka, 4 versions? [11:56] LaserJock: not much there, i guess :) [11:57] mdke: in the desktop guide there are 4 versions of add-applications.xml sitting there [11:58] manicka, maybe your editor saves old versions? do "svn status" to see which files are under version control [11:58] files which are local to your system are marked with "?" [11:59] no locals, these appeared when I did an update this morning [11:59] manicka: do you have something file.xml.mine, file.xml.rxyz === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:00] robotgeek: yes [12:00] manicka, https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ [12:00] it's definitely local stuff [12:00] ok, just deleted them then updated, all is well [12:01] i wonder why they didn't show up with svn status [12:01] weird [12:02] nice changes to APT, btw [12:03] thanks to you for starting it off :) [12:04] it's a pleasure, I can see myself enjoying docbook as i get used to it more