[12:20] <kmon> good night everyone
[12:21] <Hobbsee> bye kmon 
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hey seth!
[12:31] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee, seth
[12:32] <Hobbsee> hi robotgeek :)
[12:36] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: howz it going?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> pretty good, just woke up
[12:37] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: ah, nice. I'm at a friends house, meeting him after 3 years!
[12:37] <robotgeek> he's sleeping, but he's got wireless :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> :) fun!
[12:38] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: o/
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T 
[12:38] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: how you're always up this late
[12:38] <Tm_T> ... you live in US?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> it's 10.38am sunday - no
[12:38] <crimsun> hah, try the other side of the world
[12:39] <Tm_T> Aus :)
[12:39] <Tm_T> 0139 here
[12:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:58] <robotgeek> hi, can someone tell me what to use inplace of gstreamer, since kubuntu doesn't use it anymore? http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch03s03.html
[01:59] <Hobbsee_away> robotgeek: xine, i think
[02:00] <robotgeek> Hobbsee_away: would you be able to give me a list of packages to install? like in the link?
[02:03] <Hobbsee_away> er...um...*thinks*
[02:03] <robotgeek> Hobbsee_away: later is also okay :)
[02:03] <Tm_T> Hobbsee_away: cheater!
[02:04] <Tm_T> gst 0.10 in amaroK for example
[02:06] <robotgeek> Tm_T: tell me, lol
[02:06] <Tm_T> robotgeek: for what purpose?
[02:07] <Tm_T> w32codecs and humm, libxine?
[02:07] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch03s03.html similiar for kde
[02:07] <Tm_T> oh well...
[02:09] <robotgeek> wow
[02:10] <Tm_T> somehow I feel "push the cancel before it really start removing"
[02:10] <Tm_T> yup
[02:10] <Tm_T> counts and counts and counts files
[02:12] <Tm_T> I think I use bash... feels more safe
[02:20] <Tm_T> oh no...
[02:20] <Tm_T> 2G freed and I didn't even really start :o
[02:24] <Tm_T> uff 5G sources'n'stuff removed
[02:24] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i'm not sure which plugins you need
[02:25] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: hmm, okay. but the ones there won't work, right?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> i'm probably not the right person to ask - my system plays oggs, mp3's and wav files with just amarok and amarok-xine, which come as a part of kubuntu desktop
[02:26] <Hobbsee> from whta i hear, it shouldnt
[02:32] <robotgeek> anyways , thanks Hobbsee
[02:32] <Hobbsee> no problems
[02:33] <Hobbsee> unless it checked that i was in AU, then automatically installed the codecs, which is possible
[02:34] <robotgeek> really?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> got no idea
[02:34] <robotgeek> heh
[02:34] <robotgeek> anyways, gotta go now
[02:35] <robotgeek> later
[02:35] <Hobbsee> but my system isnt normal, it seems
[11:32] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee 
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hi jpatrick :)
[11:51] <Tonio_> hello
[11:52] <jpatrick> hey Tonio_ 
[11:52] <Tonio_> jpatrick: fine ?
[11:52] <jpatrick> yes, you?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_ 
[12:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: fine, internet is back at home :)
[12:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hello ;)
[12:12] <jpatrick> at last
[12:14] <freeflying> http://static.flickr.com/36/104089906_aa454bd6fb_m.jpg
[12:16] <Hobbsee> oh eww freeflying!
[12:16] <freeflying> :)
[12:17] <freeflying> My amarok still can nor play mp3 file
[12:18] <jpatrick> mine can
[12:18] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: so i'm not alone!
[12:18] <freeflying> which engine ?
[12:18] <jpatrick> xine and gst
[12:19] <freeflying> poor me 
[12:20] <freeflying> I cn not find package amarok-gst 
[12:20] <jpatrick> it was removed
[12:21] <freeflying> then how can I use get ?
[12:21] <Lathiat> hrm why was it removed?
[12:21] <Lathiat> to get rid of gst0.8 in kubuntu?
[12:21] <jpatrick> new gst0.10 does not work with amaroK
[12:22] <freeflying> seems gst will not too
[12:22] <Lathiat> gst will if you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed
[12:22] <Lathiat> that said amarok-gstreamer seems non existant now even in universe
[12:22] <Lathiat> which is a bit odd
[12:23] <jpatrick> Lathiat: I told you it was removed
[12:23] <Lathiat> "even in universe ... which is a bit odd"
[12:25] <freeflying> I'e gstreamer0.8-mad installed , but I can not play mp3 file with amarok, although I have amarok-xine and w32codecs installed
[12:26] <Tonio_> freeflying: dapper ,
[12:26] <Lathiat> of course
[12:26] <Tonio_> ,
[12:26] <Tonio_> ?
[12:26] <Lathiat> gstreamer09.8-mad woudl only work with amarok-gstreamer
[12:26] <Tonio_> there is a new package to install
[12:26] <freeflying> Tonio_: dapper 
[12:26] <Tonio_> libmad0 doesn't work
[12:26] <Tonio_> freeflying: install libxine-extracodecs
[12:26] <Lathiat> i thought xine picked up on libmad0 if it was installed
[12:26] <Lathiat> i guess noit
[12:26] <Tonio_> something like that
[12:26] <Tonio_> this package contains a libmad0 lib and a few others
[12:27] <Tonio_> works perfectly
[12:27] <Tonio_> but we will have lots of wikipages to update ;)
[12:27] <Lathiat> what package?
[12:27] <Lathiat> a custom xine package?
[12:27] <Lathiat> the problem is the default installed xine cant depend on mad for licensing reasons
[12:28] <Tonio_> Lathiat: libxine-extracodecs
[12:28] <Tonio_> contains libmad0, a few others and works perfectly
[12:28] <Tonio_> it is in universe
[12:28] <Tonio_> multiverse, sorry
[12:29] <freeflying> I wonder why can't I use gst play mp3 file with amarok ?
[12:29] <Lathiat> ahh, cool.
[12:30] <Lathiat> freeflying: becaus eyou are using the xine amarok backend!
[12:30] <Tonio_> Lathiat: xine is the default for dapper
[12:30] <freeflying> Lathiat: actually , I can not select the engine of amarok to gst
[12:30] <Tm_T> yup
[12:30] <Lathiat> Tonio_: yes, i know
[12:31] <Tonio_> gstreamer has been removed because it doesn't work very nicely for the moment
[12:31] <Tonio_> well, all we have to know is to install libxine-extracodecs
[12:31] <Tonio_> the problem is not any wikipage has that, so we will have lots of question when dapper is out
[12:31] <Lathiat> right
[12:31] <Tonio_> we have to update the docs before
[12:31] <Lathiat> please feel free to fix that :)
[12:31] <freeflying> Tonio_: it means that we can not use gst under dapper ?
[12:32] <Lathiat> freeflying: bit wutg anarij
[12:32] <Tonio_> freeflying: you can of course, but it is not by default
[12:32] <Lathiat> bit wutg anarij
[12:32] <Lathiat> bah
[12:32] <Tm_T> Tonio_: you mean gst 0.8 doesn't work in some cases...
[12:32] <Lathiat> stupid keyboar
[12:32] <Tm_T> Tonio_: here it just works ;(
[12:32] <Tm_T> gst 0.10 is nice too
[12:32] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I'm saying there are lots of files that just don't work with gstreamer;;;;;;;;;;
[12:32] <freeflying> Tm_T: how can you guys make it work ?
[12:32] <Tonio_> although there is no pb with sound files most of the time
[12:33] <Tm_T> freeflying: I compile my amaroK from svn
[12:33] <Tonio_> there is another problem with amarok
[12:33] <Tonio_> impossibloe to have it localized
[12:33] <Tonio_> only english
[12:33] <Tm_T> ?
[12:33] <Tonio_> can someone confirm this ,
[12:33] <Tonio_> ?
[12:34] <Lathiat> whats yoru $LANG?
[12:34] <Tonio_> Lathiat: FR
[12:34] <Tonio_> fr_FR.UTF-8
[12:34] <Tonio_> that's it
[12:35] <freeflying> Tonio_: 1.3.8?
[12:36] <Tonio_> freeflying: yes
[12:36] <freeflying> Tonio_: confirm
[12:36] <Tonio_> freeflying: okay, we have to post a launchpad bug on this
[12:37] <Tonio_> freeflying: confirm for FR or all localizations ,
[12:37] <Tonio_> ,
[12:37] <Tonio_> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh?
[12:37] <Tonio_> shift doesn't work on my keyboard............
[12:38] <Lathiat> Tonio_: sorry I can't read small letters can you type it in caps for me? ;p
[12:38] <Tonio_> Lathiat: OK
[12:38] <Tonio_> SOUNDS COMPLICATED :)
[12:38] <Lathiat> what do you mean it doesnt work :)
[12:38] <freeflying> Tonio_: I use zh_CN
[12:38] <Tonio_> freeflying: OK
[12:38] <freeflying> Tonio_: you or I 
[12:39] <Tonio_> Lathiat: I JUST MEAN THAT AMAROK STAYS IN ENGLISH AND THAT'S IT
[12:39] <freeflying> how to play mp3 on kubuntu-ppc with amarok ?
[12:40] <Lathiat> freeflying: do you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[12:41] <freeflying> Lathiat: seems no libxine-extracodecs for ppc
[12:41] <Tonio_> freeflying: that's a problem indeed.........;
[12:42] <freeflying> then I'd use realplayer for mp3 
[12:42] <Lathiat> freeflying: then file a bug
[12:42] <freeflying> Lathiat: amarok-1.4 is not in dapper now
[12:50] <freeflying> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/32928
[12:54] <jpatrick> hmm...
[12:54] <jpatrick> maybe it's not been translated?
[12:56] <Lathiat> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/zh
[12:56] <Lathiat> indeed
[12:56] <Lathiat> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/zh_CN looks a little better but still very small
[12:56] <Lathiat> freeflying: start translating? :)
[12:57] <jpatrick> Lathiat: 'roK's not on that list so it will be difficult
[12:57] <Lathiat> yeh hwo do you fix that?
[12:57] <jpatrick> can't until it's been pulled in
[12:59] <jpatrick> and I think that's after dapper's released
[01:08] <nlindblad> anyone using mutt and gmail?
[01:08] <freeflying> nlindblad: I've used
[01:09] <nlindblad> set sendmail="/usr/bin/nbsmtp -d smtp.gmail.com -h smtp.gmail.com -f nlindblad@se.linux.org -p 465 -U niklas.lindblad -P mypassword -M p -S"
[01:09] <nlindblad> I'm using that in my .muttrc, I'm trying to send mails using  the gmail smtp server
[01:09] <nlindblad> but I think the auth is messed or something, it just says "sending message..." then doing nothing
[01:10] <nlindblad> any clues freeflying?
[01:10] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/005858.html <- I had no idea
[01:11] <nlindblad> pornview_0.2pre1-5build1.dsc?
[01:12] <freeflying> nlindblad: nothing can tell, hehe
[01:13] <nlindblad> :(
[01:16] <jpatrick> wow, it's raining
[02:02] <nlindblad> aynone with GPG I can try my setup with?
[02:20] <jpatrick> what?
[02:20] <jpatrick> use KGPG
[02:35] <nlindblad> I need to try it out
[02:37] <nlindblad> could someone add me to  their keychain (0xDE0BA1F1) and mail nlindblad@se.linux.org
[02:40] <jpatrick> did you upload to keyserver?
[02:42] <nlindblad> yeah
[02:43] <nlindblad> got it working when recieving a mail encrypted to match my key
[02:43] <nlindblad> not sure how to send an encrypted though
[02:45] <nlindblad> jpatrick: mind if I try sending an encrypted mail to you?
[02:45] <jpatrick> nlindblad: you have to encrypt with my key
[02:46] <nlindblad> I know
[02:46] <nlindblad> I'll import you to my chain
[02:47] <jpatrick>  9500B1A2
[02:47] <nlindblad> what keyserver?
[02:47] <jpatrick> keyserver.ubuntu.com
[02:48] <nlindblad> can I add mine to that server aswell?
[02:48] <jpatrick> yes
[02:51] <nlindblad> sent it
[02:52] <nlindblad> encrypted here atleast
[02:52] <jpatrick> Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
[02:53] <jpatrick> Reason: Crypto plug-in "openpgp" could not decrypt the data.
[02:53] <jpatrick> Error: Bad passphrase
[02:53] <jpatrick> right...
[03:00] <nlindblad> jpatrick: weird
[03:06] <tenco> was kaffeine-gstreamer dropped in favour of kaffeine-xine?
[03:07] <jpatrick> think so
[03:08] <jpatrick> becsause of gst0.10
[03:09] <tenco> so its only part of the transition to gst0.10?
[03:10] <jpatrick> i don't think kaffeine supports it
[03:11] <nlindblad> yakuake is wonderful
[03:12] <tenco> jpatrick: so dapper will use the xine backend?
[03:12] <jpatrick> yes
[03:13] <tenco> good. :-)
[03:13] <jpatrick> nlindblad: I think there's something wrong with your key
[03:14] <nlindblad> jpatrick: I can receive encrypted mails
[03:14] <tenco> bye
[03:15] <jpatrick> nlindblad: i can't get kmail to accept it
[03:15] <nlindblad> weird
[03:16] <jpatrick> now it does
[03:16] <nlindblad> can you read it?
[03:18] <jpatrick> i've sent a message
[03:18] <nlindblad> okey
[03:18] <nlindblad> works
[04:58] <jpatrick> hey robotgeek_away 
[04:59] <robotgeek> hey jpatrick, damn nick wasn't quitting :)
[05:00] <robotgeek> i put dapper on a external usb yesterday, was fun!
[06:03] <nlindblad> this sucks
[06:11] <kmon> Hi
[06:11] <jpatrick> nlindblad: what?
[06:12] <nlindblad> a malfunctioning program created a billion files in ~
[06:12] <jpatrick> woah
[06:12] <robotgeek> lol
[06:13] <nlindblad> got it now
[06:13] <nlindblad> but it was a little scary
[06:13] <kmon> The system:/ slave give's more headaches than benefits. I can't compress a folder from konqueror if the url is using the system:/ slave. Is this a known bug?
[06:14] <jpatrick> yes
[06:16] <kmon> ok
[06:16] <kmon> thanxs for the info
[06:17] <jpatrick> file more bugs (if you can on my pkgs)
[06:18] <kmon> Nearly every bug I've filed has already been fixed :)
[06:18] <kmon> at least the ones related to kde
[06:19] <kmon> Does the knetwork-manager front end riddell did on the last distro sprint work with current dapper nm package?
[06:20] <jpatrick> dunno
[06:21] <kmon> I gess the number 1 priority is finishing off the kde live installer so we can have kubuntu in ship-it
[06:26] <kmon> does kate has tabs?
[06:30] <jpatrick> sort of
[06:48] <LeeJunFan> Looks like display properties can't change resolution in kde any more eh?
[07:45] <jpatrick> LeeJunFan: what?
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> when you right click on desktop there was a place to change display resolutions, it's not there any more, neither is dpms settings.
[07:46] <LeeJunFan> in configure desktop
[07:46] <jpatrick> :|
[08:03] <Tonio_> re
[08:04] <Tonio_> need to find a way to make gtk_qt_engine configured out of the box
[08:05] <jpatrick> anyone know where gnome stores it's icons?
[08:06] <ubijtsa> jpatrick: /usr/share/pixmaps
[08:06] <ubijtsa> iirc
[08:06] <jpatrick> prefect
[08:24] <jpatrick> hunger: are you still affected by #31923 ?
[09:36] <Tonio_> re
[09:46] <jpatrick> f/d Tonio_ 
[11:44] <tonio_> hi again
[11:44] <tonio_> Riddell: working on kubuntu-default-settings (1:6.04-9)
[11:45] <tonio_> first entry in the changelog is for kate sessions
[11:45] <tonio_> first file opens a new blank session and other files open in the same window
[11:45] <tonio_> I think that's the way people want it to work
[11:49] <Lure> tonio_: I can only agree