[12:04] yeah, it's fun :) [12:07] for certain values of "fun" [12:08] LaserJock: the keymap to change buffers doesn't work, you might have to change it to "nnoremap :bn" [12:09] in Dapper, has the menu entry for "Add Applications" actually been changed to "Add/Remove Applications"? [12:09] actually Add/Remove .... [12:09] yes [12:09] OK, was wondering - we're a bit inconsistent in UDG [12:10] yeah, I've been changing to Add/Remove === manicka switching to dapper [12:10] but actually, surely they will change back [12:10] it's idiotic to have ..... [12:10] mdke: post something to the -desktop list to that affect [12:11] Burglaptop, we can just ping mvo, it's probably just an accidental merge or something [12:12] it would be nice to have an official policy statement either way, however [12:12] yeah [12:13] Madpilot, things like that will have to be quite thoroughly checked after string freeze, I guess [12:15] patch for UDG add-application inbound to the list... === atoponce [n=atoponce@c-24-2-85-66.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:17] Madpilot, excellent idea about the note [12:18] yeah - it's one thing I see a fair bit on #ubuntu [12:19] doesn't validate tho [12:19] exact wording might need changing a bit for clarity, I'm not sure [12:19] i'll sort it [12:19] gah - forgot to validate that - sorry :P [12:20] there's an extra set of tags around the new note [12:21] and no tags inside the tags [12:21] yeah [12:21] committed [12:21] thnx === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:30] -> bed [12:31] later [12:32] cya mdke [12:36] LaserJock: i found a nice page on xml + vim, i think you know it too. [12:37] http://www.pinkjuice.com/howto/vimxml/setup.xml [12:40] manicka: i've added your apt-get section to kdg too, thanks [12:41] k === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.175] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:41] robotgeek: actually I don't think I've seen it before. Thanks for the tip ;-) [12:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Dublin_Love_Ulster_Demonstration <-- instant news. This happened todayu [12:42] LaserJock: cool, that a nice page :) [12:43] Burglaptop: man, that is fast for a wiki === bustacap [n=bustacap@ubuntu/member/bustacap] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:14] hi bustacap :) [01:25] hey grant, what's happening? [01:34] anybody got any brilliant ideas about what I should cook tonight? [01:34] food? === Burglaptop smacks Madpilot [01:35] chinese? [01:35] noodles, the 2 minute vareity :P === lambert_ [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:39] okay, for audio editing, should i go ahead and put in audacity, even though it is a gtk app? [01:41] why? aren't there KDE audio editing apps? [01:41] apparently not, let me google [01:42] kwave? [01:42] I don't think you should have to distinguish between Gtk and Qt apps [01:42] audacity isn't actually a gtk app, it's some odd widget set that's cross-platform (so it looks funny in every OS...) [01:43] wxgtk, i think [01:43] wxwidgets uses Gtk by default [01:43] cool, i can just copy from UDG then, lol [01:43] (much to my chagrin for Breezy...) [01:43] well, I just thought Kubuntu would have a KDE audio editor [01:44] Kaudacity? :P === robotgeek finishes another section, lol [01:45] Madpilot: even if you write one, we are paste the FF :) [01:45] past, even [01:45] hmm, that seems weird though that KDE wouldn't have one? are you sure it doesn't? [01:46] there are others, but i am not sure what they do/if they are as good as audacity (not that i know how it works) === robotgeek hates the "works like itunes" "works like Windows Media Player" references [01:49] they're what people are used to... [01:49] yeah, i understand :) [01:50] they might not be needed [01:50] what is the wmp reference to? [01:50] since we target switchers, it's probably a good thing [01:50] totem [01:50] not really needed there [01:50] a media player is a media player [01:51] and rb is *NOT* like itunes [01:52] assuming that the refernce [01:52] better to talk about what the user is trying to do, rather than link the two in the peoples mind [01:53] To play movies, Ubuntu comes with Totem Movie Player which looks and functions similar to Windows Media Player [01:53] etc etc, which is okay, i think [01:53] bah, what a horrible sentence, kill the whole thing [01:53] users don't care what plays their movies, they just want to play it [01:54] plus, totem is not even in the menus anymore [01:54] really, what is? [01:54] i don't use ubuntu, so i dunno [01:54] oh wait, it is [01:55] I would drop the whole "which looks...Media Player" portion [01:55] frankly it neither looks like nor functions like WMP [01:55] or itunes for amarok [01:58] anyway, why are we talking about what it *is*? users don't care [01:58] true [01:58] hi, can someone tell me what to use inplace of gstreamer, since kubuntu doesn't use it anymore? http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch03s03.html [01:59] The sentence could easily be written "Ubuntu comes with the Frabblenork Movia Player" [01:59] robotgeek: what does it us? [01:59] s/us/use [01:59] Burglaptop: excatly :) [02:00] if it uses xine, you need to talk about the w32codecs, which are evil but work [02:00] Burglaptop: not for mp3's [02:00] Frabblenork - I predict there is already an OSS project with a name at least this silly... :P [02:01] sadly, no === Burglaptop goes to start Frabblenork [02:01] frabblenork.sf.net? [02:02] ok, so I got some pork chops. Any suggestions? === robotgeek might steal that cool name for something [02:03] robotgeek: it's even got a K in it, so it could be a KDE projekt [02:03] frabblenorK [02:03] now all we need is a function to go with the cool app name [02:03] oK now Kiddies, time to enjoyK your desKtop! === robotgeek smacKs Burglaptop === Madpilot wonders how many OSS projects start with a cool name, and aquire an actual function later... :D [02:06] Madpilot: frabblenorK did, lol === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-163-222.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:10] what about this idea? Can we create a project that does nothing, but looks like it does? [02:10] without descending into manager speak, that is [02:10] Burglaptop: sounds neat, vaporware! [02:10] aka Duke Nukem Forever? [02:11] crimsun: DNF is actually being developed now [02:11] you can't really use that reference now :) [02:11] yeah, I've read as much, but it has been the better part of a decade, so I'm not holding my breath... [02:12] Burglaptop: if it's got enough eyecandy and lives on the desktop, someone will probably run it, even if it does squat... [02:13] Burglaptop: http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/ [02:13] how about Frabblesnork - The Manager(TM) [02:13] note, we are not mentioning *what* it manages [02:15] Burglaptop: note that NaDa is not Free Software :) [02:15] dammit, .er is a not a valid tld [02:16] I wanted to register man.ag.er [02:16] oh, wait it is [02:17] damn, you must live in eritrea [02:18] man.ag.es is available [02:18] need to do a grocery run - back later. Have fun frabblesnorking. [02:18] "Eritrea does not yet have a direct internet connection." === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:23] bloody hell, gpm just did something wierd === robotgeek gives up on codecs for now === pocoyo [n=koredump@CPE0050f2cf3b77-CM0011e6ee0a42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === atoponce [n=atoponce@c-24-2-85-66.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === rob [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-95.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.175] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:23] robitaille: salut [07:24] Hi Burglaptop [07:24] robitaille: so the ReStore basically blew me off. I am annoyed [07:26] that's annoyning. Any particular reason? [07:26] they said "they would think about it" [07:27] ah, sounds like a "we'll call you back"... [07:27] anyone knows the story behind: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Official_Ubuntu_Book_Contributions [07:27] robitaille: Jono put something up. No idea. He didn't mention anything to Mako or I [07:27] edited by the famous Jono Bacon [07:27] robitaille: Jono, myself and Mako are writing the official Ubuntu book [07:28] ah. I didn't know that [07:28] Jonathon Jesse is writing a Kubuntu chapter and Bhuvan is writing the server chapter [07:28] Burglaptop: is that Jono of Lugradio? [07:28] Madpilot: yes [07:29] is there another Jono Bacon around Ubuntu? :) [07:29] is he as... scatalogical.. in his writing as he is on LugRadio? :P [07:29] no [07:29] pity [07:30] robitaille: I didn't realize he was actually involved in Ubuntu (beyond plugging it on Lugradio) [07:30] Jono has done some writing before: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/ [07:31] yeah, saw some of his stuff on the LG site [07:31] so Burglaptop why are you loitering on IRC if you've got a book deadline to meet? [07:32] lol [07:32] good question [07:32] because pot and book writing do not go together [07:33] you've got stoner roommates again? :) [07:33] sp IRC and pot goes together? :) [07:33] yep [07:33] im pretty much swamped with writing too at the moment [07:33] the pot comes from the relative of one roommate [07:34] after writting a couple of thesis at the university, and a couple of science papers, I have reached the conclusion that I'll never write a book. [07:35] lol [07:35] there's an old chinese saying about writing a book to become immortal... [07:36] I'm not patient enough to write a book. [07:36] Madpilot: dad was first published at 25. Beat him by two years! [07:37] robitaille: it really eats up a lot of time [07:37] Burglaptop: ha [07:38] apparently the europeans are much better writers since a lot of Ubuntu books have come out there [07:38] already [07:39] I think it is down to more linux users there [07:39] the wiki world map of ubuntu users seems to show that most Ubuntu users are European [07:39] not surprising [07:39] there's an ebook from France, I saw, and the Spanish one (Guadalinux?) - are there more? [07:39] there are also at least 2 in germany [07:40] the upcoming Ubuntu hacks book is from a US author [07:40] ploum's book [07:40] the publishers are having a field day [07:42] Prentince Hall is seriously looking at an Edubuntu book, provided the Ubuntu book does well [07:42] yeah, but with 6 month release cycles, the selling season for these books isn't going to be that long... [07:42] oh cool [07:42] Madpilot: dapper is different [07:42] Madpilot: most publishers tend to side with a "generic" reference [07:42] rather than a specific release [07:43] an official book will have lots of revisions though [07:44] but Ubuntu books tend to concentrate on the desktop, which is the most variable part [07:44] just to have good shelf visibility [07:44] hmm, Dapper is going to be the '5 year' release - so yeah, they'll last a bit longer [07:44] a server book is more viable with a long shelf life i guess [07:46] regardless of the short shelf life, Ubuntu books are going to fly off the shelf [07:46] has anyone seen the g-a-i manual i wrote? [07:47] comments? suggestions? [07:48] jsgotangco: sorry, haven't seen it [07:48] its already in the distro [07:48] jsgotangco: is it in our svn? [07:48] yeah [07:48] we just had it uploaded a few days ago with the package [07:49] jsgotangco: I wonder about the installation section [07:49] i just patterned it from u-m [07:50] jsgotangco: you might want to make the note about it being installed by default a bit bolder and stronger [07:51] feel free to comment on it on the list so i can make changes to it later [07:52] the section "Main Window" might need a stronger title [07:52] g-a-i is dependent on Firefox? [07:52] i will have to do some paid work first [07:52] brb [07:52] Madpilot: strange isn't it [07:52] does it use gecko? [07:53] I used to complain about how dependant Windows was on IE; seems like we're just as dependent on Firefox... browsers are infectious or something :P [07:54] app-install-data seems to rely on it [07:56] jsgotangco: overall well written [07:56] is g-a-i called "Install and Remove Applications" or "Add & Remove..."? [07:56] Install and Remove Applications is what we agreed upon [07:57] (me, mvo and glatzor) [07:57] We've been using "Add.." in the UDG, it's "Add.." in the menus, but "Install.." in this guide? [07:57] is the menu entry going to change in Dapper? [07:57] i dunno [07:58] Madpilot: ask the -desktop list [07:58] When is freeze for that sort of thing, anyway? (UI/desktop details?) [07:59] March 9th is UI freeze [07:59] and our doc freeze isn't until the 23rd or so - good. [08:00] Burglaptop: I'm not on -desktop - want to drop them a note and CC -doc? [08:02] can do === jsgotangco seems to like epiphany more lately [08:04] epiphany is nice, no? [08:04] and fast [08:04] i wonder how extensible it is though [08:05] the way it renders fonts is different but not noticeable [08:07] the fonts are smaller [08:07] yes a wee bit [08:08] text size zoom is just a click [08:08] yes, but the default size is more importatnt [08:09] it seems to render wikipedia in the correct font size though [08:09] but gmail is slightly smaller [08:09] bbc news is smaller [08:11] wonder what determines it [08:12] oh cool BBC as a11y info for linux users [08:12] they even talk about GNOME and KDE [08:12] there are people at the beeb get it [08:12] yeah [08:12] so cool [08:12] I wish CBC were as good [08:13] a few instructions to be posted on the web isn't hard [08:16] but it shows that someone cares [08:17] does anyone notice the the rhythmbox notification is cut when a different application is open [08:17] don't use rb [08:19] bah [08:19] don't tell me i have to use a movie player to play audio :P [08:19] Madpilot uses muine [08:22] jsgotangco: I was using Rb while I was running the Dapper LiveCD a few nights ago, didn't notice the popup "Now Playing" thing cutting out, and I ran a bunch of different apps [08:23] hmm [08:23] RB in dapper is dramatically better than the RB in Breezy... [08:23] yeah [08:23] you can now do podcasts [08:24] I still like Muine's simple UI, though === robitaille use google reader for podcasts and blogs [08:25] I prefer quod libet; too bad 0.18 probably won't make it into Dapper [08:26] robitaille: heh [08:28] anyone used Cowbell before? [08:29] I continously switch between computers at home and at work. The remote server for blogs, podcasts, email is essential [08:29] Madpilot: a little [08:29] Burglaptop: can you actually import whole folders into it, or just individual song files? [08:29] Madpilot: whole folders [08:29] I think [08:30] I've used EasyTag so far, it's more complex but handles whole directories easily [08:30] but we've got Cowbell in UDG... :P [08:30] robitaille: its amazing on what they churn out with ajax though [08:34] 3360 songs in my Music directory... [08:41] only 1291 songs in mine...but probably 200 CDs still to rip in my collection. Obviously I'll never complete that project... [08:41] I've got CDs that I've never "really" heard, because I just ripped them straight to .ogg :P [08:42] a couple of DRM'd ones that wouldn't play, but would rip - go figure [09:00] I didn't know we had an EmbeddedUbuntu project until about 4 days ago: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6954215579.html [09:01] was it discussed during UBZ? [09:02] sometimes I feel like writing a fake spec on the wiki, and see how long before a web site pick it up. Maybe something to do for April 1st [09:03] I don't remember it being dicussed, but I may have missed it [09:03] some of the stuff feels like it should have been added on April 1st - like this gem: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubunty_daily_tips [09:03] not a bad idea, but notice the spelling... :P [09:03] I think for April 1st we shoudl rename the distro to "Hakuna Matata" [09:04] I wonder if the Ubuntu devs will change the gdm image this April 1st like last year [09:04] April 1st release: Mutant Marsupial === manicka [n=grant@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-104.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsg_ [n=jsg@125.212.125.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-163-222.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-136-169.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@213-202-177-243.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.175] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:40] hello jpatrick [12:40] hello mdke [12:40] I noticed you applied to join the ubuntu-doc launchpad team [12:41] yes, I did [12:41] we generally keep that team for people who work on the docs in our repository. are you interested in that? [12:42] yes, I'm working on PackagingGuide and KubuntuDesktopGuide [12:42] right, I saw that on your wiki page [12:42] but I haven't seen any patches yet on the mailing list, do you need any help with doing that? [12:43] I sent a patch to LaserJock today [12:43] he's yet to come online [12:43] ah right [12:43] jpatrick, if you send them to the mailing list too, then it helps us get to know you :) [12:43] thanks for getting involved [12:44] ok [12:44] after you've been sending patches for a while, you are likely to be given commit access [12:44] then we'll add you to the launchpad team :) [12:44] ok, thanks :) [12:44] hi [12:45] feel free to hang out here too and ask any questions [12:45] hiya jsgotangco [12:45] its pretty crazy here at the moment [12:45] hi jsgotangco [12:45] tanks came out from the base of the marines [12:46] mm? [12:46] i guess you don't read world news :D [12:46] i'm looking now === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-12-81.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:46] there was a botched coup here last friday [12:46] ah i see [12:46] gosh [12:47] stay indoors! [12:47] lol [12:47] we actually watched WWE that night [12:47] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4745716.stm [12:48] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4752118.stm === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:50] I'm having trouble with Kubuntu Desktop Guide [02:51] I run 'make desktop-web' then 'make desktop-web' but no output is made [02:51] make desktop-html that is === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.125.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:02] solved it === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-177-243.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rbigelow [n=rbigelow@CPE0050f2cf3b77-CM0011e6ee0a42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek_away [n=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gusaweb [n=gusaweb@lns-bzn-37-82-253-18-60.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:04] hello [05:05] I am here to submit an idea [05:05] or ask if it has already been done [05:05] sure gusaweb [05:05] Is there a launchpad documentation? [05:06] I am new in Ubuntu [05:06] gusaweb: do you mean documentation for launchpad? [05:06] yes robotgeek === robotgeek looks [05:07] yesterday I wanted to report bugs [05:07] and I realized launchpad has lots of functionnalities [05:07] it is a very great tool [05:08] but it would be nice if there was a documentation [05:09] gusaweb: i don't think there was anything there, as such. [05:09] https://wiki.launchpad.net/ might be a start, gusaweb [05:10] robotgeek ok === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-136-169.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rbigelow [n=rbigelow@CPE0050f2cf3b77-CM0011e6ee0a42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Off] === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-104.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:48] I've sent a diff to the list === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-156-78.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-177-243.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.68] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:10] hi. [10:10] where should I report problems with ubuntu docs? [10:10] is malone the place? [10:10] yes [10:10] ok. [10:10] and... [10:10] if I have a bunch of corrections, [10:11] would you prefer one per report? or all lumped together? === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-152-96.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:11] a diff file? [10:11] svn diff > patch.diff [10:12] I'm not a writer. [10:12] but I recognise when things don't read right. [10:13] one report [10:16] I see a funny box between "1" and "about ubuntu" here: http://fsphost.com/dooglus/snaps/2006-02-26--22-14-14.png ; is that worth reporting? Or is that the fault of a different team? [10:18] I don't see an "about ubuntu" [10:19] no [10:20] I mean between "1" and "participate". in line 2. [10:20] it's a box with: [10:20] 2 0 [10:20] 0 2 [10:20] written in it [10:21] is that a "best before" date? [10:21] I think it's fixed in svn [10:22] any chance svn could be packaged and uploaded to the mirrors? [10:23] it's updated once in a while [10:24] is there some documentation or FAQ about how I might get the svn version? [10:24] there's no point me reporting bugs which have already been fixed in a version I haven't seen [10:25] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html [10:25] ^^built daily [10:27] I mean is there some way I can see the svn version? [10:28] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/Repository [10:29] thanks [10:31] that page says "It will ask for certificate informations". "information" is a collective noun, and doesn't have a plural. [10:33] good point [10:33] that was a test :) [10:33] what should I do with such observations? [10:34] 1) keep them to myself - it's only an 's' after all [10:34] 2) fix them - it's a wiki [10:34] 3) complain about it here (I did!) [10:34] 4) report a bug in malone [10:34] 5) none of the above [10:35] 2, if it was me [10:37] ok. [10:37] I did #2 [10:37] so I've checkout out the svn repository. can I view the svn version of "about ubuntu" that's now in my home directory using yelp? [10:38] yes [10:38] I tried: "yelp ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml" but it showed the [10:38] 2 0 [10:38] box, just as before [10:38] 0 2 === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:03] dooglus, perhaps I can help, what's the problem [11:06] ah [11:06] those 2002 boxes are a bug in yelp, it is reported, and fixed. === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:10] dooglus, also, don't bother over About Ubuntu just now, it will hopefully be replaced by a program mpt_ is working on [11:14] mpt_, actually, is your About Ubuntu still an option, after feature freeze? 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