[12:04] <mdke> yeah, it's fun :)
[12:07] <Burglaptop> for certain values of "fun"
[12:08] <robotgeek> LaserJock: the keymap to change buffers doesn't work, you might have to change it to "nnoremap <C-l> :bn<CR>"
[12:09] <Madpilot> in Dapper, has the menu entry for "Add Applications" actually been changed to "Add/Remove Applications"?
[12:09] <Burglaptop> actually Add/Remove ....
[12:09] <mdke> yes
[12:09] <Madpilot> OK, was wondering - we're a bit inconsistent in UDG
[12:10] <mdke> yeah, I've been changing to Add/Remove
[12:10] <mdke> but actually, surely they will change back
[12:10] <mdke> it's idiotic to have .....
[12:10] <Burglaptop> mdke: post something to the -desktop list to that affect
[12:11] <mdke> Burglaptop, we can just ping mvo, it's probably just an accidental merge or something
[12:12] <Burglaptop> it would be nice to have an official policy statement either way, however
[12:12] <mdke> yeah
[12:13] <mdke> Madpilot, things like that will have to be quite thoroughly checked after string freeze, I guess
[12:15] <Madpilot> patch for UDG add-application inbound to the list...
[12:17] <mdke> Madpilot, excellent idea about the note
[12:18] <Madpilot> yeah - it's one thing I see a fair bit on #ubuntu
[12:19] <mdke> doesn't validate tho
[12:19] <Madpilot> exact wording might need changing a bit for clarity, I'm not sure
[12:19] <mdke> i'll sort it
[12:19] <Madpilot> gah - forgot to validate that - sorry :P
[12:20] <Madpilot> there's an extra set of <para> tags around the new note
[12:21] <Madpilot> and no <para> tags inside the <note> tags
[12:21] <mdke> yeah
[12:21] <mdke> committed
[12:21] <Madpilot> thnx
[12:30] <mdke> -> bed
[12:31] <Madpilot> later
[12:32] <LaserJock> cya mdke
[12:36] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i found a nice page on xml + vim, i think you know it too. 
[12:37] <robotgeek> http://www.pinkjuice.com/howto/vimxml/setup.xml
[12:40] <robotgeek> manicka: i've added your apt-get section to kdg too, thanks
[12:41] <manicka> k
[12:41] <LaserJock> robotgeek: actually I don't think I've seen it before. Thanks for the tip ;-)
[12:42] <Burglaptop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Dublin_Love_Ulster_Demonstration <-- instant news. This happened todayu
[12:42] <robotgeek> LaserJock: cool, that a nice page :)
[12:43] <LaserJock> Burglaptop: man, that is fast for a wiki
[01:14] <manicka> hi bustacap :)
[01:25] <bustacap> hey grant, what's happening?
[01:34] <Burglaptop> anybody got any brilliant ideas about what I should cook tonight?
[01:34] <Madpilot> food?
[01:35] <LaserJock> chinese?
[01:35] <robotgeek> noodles, the 2 minute vareity :P
[01:39] <robotgeek> okay, for audio editing, should i go ahead and put in audacity, even though it is a gtk app? 
[01:41] <LaserJock> why? aren't there KDE audio editing apps?
[01:41] <robotgeek> apparently not, let me google
[01:42] <LaserJock> kwave?
[01:42] <crimsun> I don't think you should have to distinguish between Gtk and Qt apps
[01:42] <Madpilot> audacity isn't actually a gtk app, it's some odd widget set that's cross-platform (so it looks funny in every OS...)
[01:43] <robotgeek> wxgtk, i think
[01:43] <crimsun> wxwidgets uses Gtk by default
[01:43] <robotgeek> cool, i can just copy from UDG then, lol
[01:43] <crimsun> (much to my chagrin for Breezy...)
[01:43] <LaserJock> well, I just thought Kubuntu would have a KDE audio editor
[01:44] <Madpilot> Kaudacity? :P
[01:45] <robotgeek> Madpilot: even if you write one, we are paste the FF :)
[01:45] <robotgeek> past, even
[01:45] <LaserJock> hmm, that seems weird though that KDE wouldn't have one? are you sure it doesn't?
[01:46] <robotgeek> there are others, but i am not sure what they do/if they are as good as audacity (not that i know how it works)
[01:49] <Madpilot> they're what people are used to...
[01:49] <robotgeek> yeah, i understand :)
[01:50] <Burglaptop> they might not be needed
[01:50] <Burglaptop> what is the wmp reference to?
[01:50] <robotgeek> since we target switchers, it's probably a good thing
[01:50] <robotgeek> totem
[01:50] <Burglaptop> not really needed there
[01:50] <Burglaptop> a media player is a media player
[01:51] <Burglaptop> and rb is *NOT* like itunes
[01:52] <Burglaptop> assuming that the refernce
[01:52] <Burglaptop> better to talk about what the user is trying to do, rather than link the two in the peoples mind
[01:53] <robotgeek> To play movies, Ubuntu comes with <application>Totem Movie Player</ application> which looks and functions similar to Windows Media Player
[01:53] <robotgeek> etc etc, which is okay, i think
[01:53] <Burglaptop> bah, what a horrible sentence, kill the whole thing
[01:53] <Burglaptop> users don't care what plays their movies, they just want to play it
[01:54] <Burglaptop> plus, totem is not even in the menus anymore
[01:54] <robotgeek> really, what is?
[01:54] <robotgeek> i don't use ubuntu, so i dunno
[01:54] <Burglaptop> oh wait, it is
[01:55] <crimsun> I would drop the whole "which looks...Media Player" portion
[01:55] <crimsun> frankly it neither looks like nor functions like WMP
[01:55] <robotgeek> or itunes for amarok
[01:58] <Burglaptop> anyway, why are we talking about what it *is*? users don't care
[01:58] <robotgeek> true
[01:58] <robotgeek> hi, can someone tell me what to use inplace of gstreamer, since kubuntu doesn't use it anymore? http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch03s03.html
[01:59] <Burglaptop> The sentence could easily be written "Ubuntu comes with the Frabblenork Movia Player"
[01:59] <Burglaptop> robotgeek: what does it us?
[01:59] <Burglaptop> s/us/use
[01:59] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: excatly :)
[02:00] <Burglaptop> if it uses xine, you need to talk about the w32codecs, which are evil but work
[02:00] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: not for mp3's
[02:00] <Madpilot> Frabblenork - I predict there is already an OSS project with a name at least this silly... :P
[02:01] <Burglaptop> sadly, no
[02:01] <Madpilot> frabblenork.sf.net?
[02:02] <Burglaptop> ok, so I got some pork chops. Any suggestions?
[02:03] <Madpilot> robotgeek: it's even got a K in it, so it could be a KDE projekt
[02:03] <robotgeek> frabblenorK
[02:03] <Madpilot> now all we need is a function to go with the cool app name
[02:03] <Burglaptop> oK now Kiddies, time to enjoyK your desKtop!
[02:06] <robotgeek> Madpilot: frabblenorK did, lol
[02:10] <Burglaptop> what about this idea? Can we create a project that does nothing, but looks like it does?
[02:10] <Burglaptop> without descending into manager speak, that is
[02:10] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: sounds neat, vaporware!
[02:10] <crimsun> aka Duke Nukem Forever?
[02:11] <robotgeek> crimsun: DNF is actually being developed now
[02:11] <robotgeek> you can't really use that reference now :)
[02:11] <crimsun> yeah, I've read as much, but it has been the better part of a decade, so I'm not holding my breath...
[02:12] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: if it's got enough eyecandy and lives on the desktop, someone will probably run it, even if it does squat...
[02:13] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/
[02:13] <Burglaptop> how about Frabblesnork - The Manager(TM)
[02:13] <Burglaptop> note, we are not mentioning *what* it manages
[02:15] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: note that NaDa is not Free Software :)
[02:15] <Burglaptop> dammit, .er is a not a valid tld
[02:16] <Burglaptop> I wanted to register man.ag.er
[02:16] <Burglaptop> oh, wait it is
[02:17] <Burglaptop> damn, you must live in eritrea
[02:18] <Burglaptop> man.ag.es is available
[02:18] <Madpilot> need to do a grocery run - back later. Have fun frabblesnorking.
[02:18] <Burglaptop> "Eritrea does not yet have a direct internet connection."
[02:23] <Burglaptop> bloody hell, gpm just did something wierd
[07:23] <Burglaptop> robitaille: salut
[07:24] <robitaille> Hi Burglaptop 
[07:24] <Burglaptop> robitaille: so the ReStore basically blew me off. I am annoyed
[07:26] <robitaille> that's annoyning.  Any particular reason?
[07:26] <Burglaptop> they said "they would think about it"
[07:27] <robitaille> ah, sounds like a "we'll call you back"...
[07:27] <robitaille> anyone knows the story behind: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Official_Ubuntu_Book_Contributions
[07:27] <Burglaptop> robitaille: Jono put something up. No idea. He didn't mention anything to Mako or I
[07:27] <robitaille> edited by the famous Jono Bacon
[07:27] <Burglaptop> robitaille: Jono, myself and Mako are writing the official Ubuntu book
[07:28] <robitaille> ah.  I didn't know that
[07:28] <Burglaptop> Jonathon Jesse is writing a Kubuntu chapter and Bhuvan is writing the server chapter
[07:28] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: is that Jono of Lugradio?
[07:28] <robitaille> Madpilot:  yes
[07:29] <robitaille> is there another Jono Bacon around Ubuntu? :)
[07:29] <Madpilot> is he as... scatalogical.. in his writing as he is on LugRadio? :P
[07:29] <Burglaptop> no
[07:29] <Madpilot> pity
[07:30] <Madpilot> robitaille: I didn't realize he was actually involved in Ubuntu (beyond plugging it on Lugradio)
[07:30] <robitaille> Jono has done some writing before:  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/
[07:31] <Madpilot> yeah, saw some of his stuff on the LG site
[07:31] <Madpilot> so Burglaptop why are you loitering on IRC if you've got a book deadline to meet?
[07:32] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:32] <jsgotangco> good question
[07:32] <Burglaptop> because pot and book writing do not go together
[07:33] <Madpilot> you've got stoner roommates again? :)
[07:33] <robitaille> sp IRC and pot goes together?  :)
[07:33] <Burglaptop> yep
[07:33] <jsgotangco> im pretty much swamped with writing too at the moment
[07:33] <Burglaptop> the pot comes from the relative of one roommate
[07:34] <robitaille> after writting a couple of thesis at the university, and a couple of science papers, I have reached the conclusion that I'll never write a book. 
[07:35] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:35] <jsgotangco> there's an old chinese saying about writing a book to become immortal...
[07:36] <robitaille> I'm not patient enough to write a book.
[07:36] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: dad was first published at 25. Beat him by two years!
[07:37] <jsgotangco> robitaille: it really eats up a lot of time
[07:37] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: ha
[07:38] <jsgotangco> apparently the europeans are much better writers since a lot of Ubuntu books have come out there
[07:38] <jsgotangco> already
[07:39] <Burglaptop> I think it is down to more linux users there
[07:39] <robitaille> the wiki world map of ubuntu users seems to show that most Ubuntu users are European
[07:39] <jsgotangco> not surprising
[07:39] <Madpilot> there's an ebook from France, I saw, and the Spanish one (Guadalinux?) - are there more?
[07:39] <jsgotangco> there are also at least 2 in germany
[07:40] <Burglaptop> the upcoming Ubuntu hacks book is from a US author
[07:40] <jsgotangco> ploum's book
[07:40] <jsgotangco> the publishers are having a field day
[07:42] <Burglaptop> Prentince Hall is seriously looking at an Edubuntu book, provided the Ubuntu book does well
[07:42] <Madpilot> yeah, but with 6 month release cycles, the selling season for these books isn't going to be that long...
[07:42] <jsgotangco> oh cool
[07:42] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: dapper is different
[07:42] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: most publishers tend to side with a "generic" reference
[07:42] <jsgotangco> rather than a specific release
[07:43] <jsgotangco> an official book will have lots of revisions though
[07:44] <Burglaptop> but Ubuntu books tend to concentrate on the desktop, which is the most variable part
[07:44] <jsgotangco> just to have good shelf visibility
[07:44] <Madpilot> hmm, Dapper is going to be the '5 year' release - so yeah, they'll last a bit longer
[07:44] <jsgotangco> a server book is more viable with a long shelf life i guess
[07:46] <Burglaptop> regardless of the short shelf life, Ubuntu books are going to fly off the shelf
[07:46] <jsgotangco> has anyone seen the g-a-i manual i wrote?
[07:47] <jsgotangco> comments? suggestions?
[07:48] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: sorry, haven't seen it
[07:48] <jsgotangco> its already in the distro
[07:48] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: is it in our svn?
[07:48] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:48] <jsgotangco> we just had it uploaded a few days ago with the package
[07:49] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: I wonder about the installation section
[07:49] <jsgotangco> i just patterned it from u-m
[07:50] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: you might want to make the note about it being installed by default a bit bolder and stronger
[07:51] <jsgotangco> feel free to comment on it on the list so i can make changes to it later
[07:52] <Burglaptop> the section "Main Window" might need a stronger title
[07:52] <Madpilot> g-a-i is dependent on Firefox?
[07:52] <jsgotangco> i will have to do some paid work first
[07:52] <jsgotangco> brb
[07:52] <jsgotangco> Madpilot: strange isn't it
[07:52] <Burglaptop> does it use gecko?
[07:53] <Madpilot> I used to complain about how dependant Windows was on IE; seems like we're just as dependent on Firefox... browsers are infectious or something :P
[07:54] <jsgotangco> app-install-data seems to rely on it
[07:56] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: overall well written
[07:56] <Madpilot> is g-a-i called "Install and Remove Applications" or "Add & Remove..."?
[07:56] <jsgotangco> Install and Remove Applications is what we agreed upon
[07:57] <jsgotangco> (me, mvo and glatzor)
[07:57] <Madpilot> We've been using "Add.." in the UDG, it's "Add.." in the menus, but "Install.." in this guide?
[07:57] <Madpilot> is the menu entry going to change in Dapper?
[07:57] <jsgotangco> i dunno
[07:58] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: ask the -desktop list
[07:58] <Madpilot> When is freeze for that sort of thing, anyway? (UI/desktop details?)
[07:59] <Burglaptop> March 9th is UI freeze
[07:59] <Madpilot> and our doc freeze isn't until the 23rd or so - good.
[08:00] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: I'm not on -desktop - want to drop them a note and CC -doc?
[08:02] <Burglaptop> can do
[08:04] <Burglaptop> epiphany is nice, no?
[08:04] <jsgotangco> and fast
[08:04] <jsgotangco> i wonder how extensible it is though
[08:05] <jsgotangco> the way it renders fonts is different but not noticeable
[08:07] <Burglaptop> the fonts are smaller
[08:07] <jsgotangco> yes a wee bit
[08:08] <jsgotangco> text size zoom is just a click
[08:08] <Burglaptop> yes, but the default size is more importatnt
[08:09] <jsgotangco> it seems to render wikipedia in the correct font size though
[08:09] <jsgotangco> but gmail is slightly smaller
[08:09] <Burglaptop> bbc news is smaller
[08:11] <jsgotangco> wonder what determines it
[08:12] <jsgotangco> oh cool BBC as a11y info for linux users
[08:12] <Burglaptop> they even talk about GNOME and KDE
[08:12] <Burglaptop> there are people at the beeb get it
[08:12] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:12] <jsgotangco> so cool
[08:12] <Burglaptop> I wish CBC were as good
[08:13] <jsgotangco> a few instructions to be posted on the web isn't hard
[08:16] <Burglaptop> but it shows that someone cares
[08:17] <jsgotangco> does anyone notice the the rhythmbox notification is cut when a different application is open
[08:17] <Burglaptop> don't use rb
[08:19] <jsgotangco> bah
[08:19] <jsgotangco> don't tell me i have to use a movie player to play audio :P
[08:19] <Burglaptop> Madpilot uses muine
[08:22] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: I was using Rb while I was running the Dapper LiveCD a few nights ago, didn't notice the popup "Now Playing" thing cutting out, and I ran a bunch of different apps
[08:23] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:23] <Madpilot> RB in dapper is dramatically better than the RB in Breezy...
[08:23] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:23] <jsgotangco> you can now do podcasts
[08:24] <Madpilot> I still like Muine's simple UI, though
[08:25] <crimsun> I prefer quod libet; too bad 0.18 probably won't make it into Dapper
[08:26] <jsgotangco> robitaille: heh
[08:28] <Madpilot> anyone used Cowbell before?
[08:29] <robitaille> I continously switch between computers at home and at work.  The remote server for blogs, podcasts, email is essential
[08:29] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: a little
[08:29] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: can you actually import whole folders into it, or just individual song files?
[08:29] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: whole folders
[08:29] <Burglaptop> I think
[08:30] <Madpilot> I've used EasyTag so far, it's more complex but handles whole directories easily
[08:30] <Madpilot> but we've got Cowbell in UDG... :P
[08:30] <jsgotangco> robitaille: its amazing on what they churn out with ajax though
[08:34] <Madpilot> 3360 songs in my Music directory...
[08:41] <robitaille> only 1291 songs in mine...but probably 200 CDs still to rip in my collection.  Obviously I'll never complete that project...
[08:41] <Madpilot> I've got CDs that I've never "really" heard, because I just ripped them straight to .ogg :P
[08:42] <Madpilot> a couple of DRM'd ones that wouldn't play, but would rip - go figure
[09:00] <Burglaptop> I didn't know we had an EmbeddedUbuntu project until about 4 days ago: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6954215579.html
[09:01] <jsgotangco> was it discussed during UBZ?
[09:02] <robitaille> sometimes I feel like writing a fake spec on the wiki, and see how long before a web site pick it up.  Maybe something to do for April 1st
[09:03] <Burglaptop> I don't remember it being dicussed, but I may have missed it
[09:03] <Madpilot> some of the stuff feels like it should have been added on April 1st - like this gem: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubunty_daily_tips
[09:03] <Madpilot> not a bad idea, but notice the spelling... :P
[09:03] <Burglaptop> I think for April 1st we shoudl rename the distro to "Hakuna Matata"
[09:04] <robitaille> I wonder if the Ubuntu devs will change the gdm image this April 1st like last year
[09:04] <Madpilot> April 1st release: Mutant Marsupial
[12:40] <mdke> hello jpatrick 
[12:40] <jpatrick> hello mdke 
[12:40] <mdke> I noticed you applied to join the ubuntu-doc launchpad team
[12:41] <jpatrick> yes, I did
[12:41] <mdke> we generally keep that team for people who work on the docs in our repository. are you interested in that?
[12:42] <jpatrick> yes, I'm working on PackagingGuide and KubuntuDesktopGuide
[12:42] <mdke> right, I saw that on your wiki page
[12:42] <mdke> but I haven't seen any patches yet on the mailing list, do you need any help with doing that?
[12:43] <jpatrick> I sent a patch to LaserJock today
[12:43] <jpatrick> he's yet to come online
[12:43] <mdke> ah right
[12:43] <mdke> jpatrick, if you send them to the mailing list too, then it helps us get to know you :)
[12:43] <mdke> thanks for getting involved
[12:44] <jpatrick> ok
[12:44] <mdke> after you've been sending patches for a while, you are likely to be given commit access
[12:44] <mdke> then we'll add you to the launchpad team :)
[12:44] <jpatrick> ok, thanks :)
[12:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:45] <mdke> feel free to hang out here too and ask any questions
[12:45] <mdke> hiya jsgotangco 
[12:45] <jsgotangco> its pretty crazy here at the moment
[12:45] <jpatrick> hi jsgotangco 
[12:45] <jsgotangco> tanks came out from the base of the marines
[12:46] <mdke> mm?
[12:46] <jsgotangco> i guess you don't read world news :D
[12:46] <mdke> i'm looking now
[12:46] <jsgotangco> there was a botched coup here last friday
[12:46] <mdke> ah i see 
[12:46] <mdke> gosh
[12:47] <mdke> stay indoors!
[12:47] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:47] <jsgotangco> we actually watched WWE that night
[12:47] <jpatrick> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4745716.stm
[12:48] <jsgotangco> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4752118.stm
[02:50] <jpatrick> I'm having trouble with Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[02:51] <jpatrick> I run 'make desktop-web' then 'make desktop-web' but no output is made
[02:51] <jpatrick> make desktop-html that is
[03:02] <jpatrick> solved it
[05:04] <gusaweb> hello
[05:05] <gusaweb> I am here to submit an idea
[05:05] <gusaweb> or ask if it has already been done
[05:05] <robotgeek> sure gusaweb
[05:05] <gusaweb> Is there a launchpad documentation?
[05:06] <gusaweb> I am new in Ubuntu
[05:06] <robotgeek> gusaweb: do you mean documentation for launchpad?
[05:06] <gusaweb> yes robotgeek
[05:07] <gusaweb> yesterday I wanted to report bugs
[05:07] <gusaweb> and I realized launchpad has lots of functionnalities
[05:07] <gusaweb> it is a very great tool
[05:08] <gusaweb> but it would be nice if there was a documentation
[05:09] <robotgeek> gusaweb: i don't think there was anything there, as such. 
[05:09] <robotgeek> https://wiki.launchpad.net/ might be a start, gusaweb
[05:10] <gusaweb> robotgeek ok
[06:48] <jpatrick> I've sent a diff to the list
[10:10] <dooglus> hi.
[10:10] <dooglus> where should I report problems with ubuntu docs?
[10:10] <dooglus> is malone the place?
[10:10] <jpatrick> yes
[10:10] <dooglus> ok.
[10:10] <dooglus> and...
[10:10] <dooglus> if I have a bunch of corrections,
[10:11] <dooglus> would you prefer one per report?  or all lumped together?
[10:11] <jpatrick> a diff file?
[10:11] <jpatrick> svn diff > patch.diff
[10:12] <dooglus> I'm not a writer.
[10:12] <dooglus> but I recognise when things don't read right.
[10:13] <jpatrick> one report
[10:16] <dooglus> I see a funny box between "1" and "about ubuntu" here: http://fsphost.com/dooglus/snaps/2006-02-26--22-14-14.png ; is that worth reporting?  Or is that the fault of a different team?
[10:18] <jpatrick> I don't see an "about ubuntu"
[10:19] <dooglus> no
[10:20] <dooglus> I mean between "1" and "participate".  in line 2.
[10:20] <dooglus> it's a box with:
[10:20] <dooglus> 2 0
[10:20] <dooglus> 0 2
[10:20] <dooglus> written in it
[10:21] <dooglus> is that a "best before" date?
[10:21] <jpatrick> I think it's fixed in svn
[10:22] <dooglus> any chance svn could be packaged and uploaded to the mirrors?
[10:23] <jpatrick> it's updated once in a while
[10:24] <dooglus> is there some documentation or FAQ about how I might get the svn version?
[10:24] <dooglus> there's no point me reporting bugs which have already been fixed in a version I haven't seen
[10:25] <jpatrick> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html
[10:25] <jpatrick> ^^built daily
[10:27] <dooglus> I mean is there some way I can see the svn version?
[10:28] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[10:29] <dooglus> thanks
[10:31] <dooglus> that page says "It will ask for certificate informations".  "information" is a collective noun, and doesn't have a plural.
[10:33] <jpatrick> good point
[10:33] <dooglus> that was a test :)
[10:33] <dooglus> what should I do with such observations?
[10:34] <dooglus> 1) keep them to myself - it's only an 's' after all
[10:34] <dooglus> 2) fix them - it's a wiki
[10:34] <dooglus> 3) complain about it here (I did!)
[10:34] <dooglus> 4) report a bug in malone
[10:34] <dooglus> 5) none of the above
[10:35] <jpatrick> 2, if it was me
[10:37] <dooglus> ok.
[10:37] <dooglus> I did #2
[10:37] <dooglus> so I've checkout out the svn repository.  can I view the svn version of "about ubuntu" that's now in my home directory using yelp?
[10:38] <jpatrick> yes
[10:38] <dooglus> I tried: "yelp ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml" but it showed the
[10:38] <dooglus> 2 0
[10:38] <dooglus> box, just as before
[10:38] <dooglus> 0 2
[11:03] <mdke_> dooglus, perhaps I can help, what's the problem
[11:06] <mdke_> ah
[11:06] <mdke_> those 2002 boxes are a bug in yelp, it is reported, and fixed.
[11:10] <mdke_> dooglus, also, don't bother over About Ubuntu just now, it will hopefully be replaced by a program mpt_ is working on
[11:14] <mdke_> mpt_, actually, is your About Ubuntu still an option, after feature freeze?
[11:14] <mdke_> if not, we should get cracking and tidy up the old thing