=== Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.175] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === mikebot [i=mikebot@SRF-11-183.resnet.ucsb.edu] has joined #edubuntu [01:05] hello, is anyone not idle? === Burglaptop idles [01:06] what do you need mikebot? [01:06] i have a few questions [01:06] hi [01:06] shoot [01:07] okay, well first what is the difference bewteen edubuntu and ubuntu? [01:07] edubuntu is a sister project to ubuntu, designed for education settings [01:07] it includes a number of educational apps by default, as well as LTSP [01:07] what apps and what is ltsp? [01:08] LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project [01:08] it is a thin client system [01:08] okau [01:08] y [01:09] right now i use windows with like open office, and aim and stuff [01:09] those aren't compatible with linux, right? [01:09] edubuntu also includes all the software that Ubuntu ships as well [01:09] such as OpenOffice, Firefox and Gaim [01:09] oh okay [01:10] as for specific applications, the main ones are the kde education suite and gcompris [01:10] i don't know what those are [01:10] http://gcompris.net/ [01:11] http://edu.kde.org/ [01:11] okay thanks [01:11] and would you recommend this over like red hat or xandros? [01:11] hey np [01:11] it honestly depends on what you are doing with it [01:12] part of the goal of edubuntu is the ability for a teacher to fairly quickly and easily set up an entire classroom [01:12] i just want to run linux, i don't play gaims, i just browse the itnernet, and do school work (writing and excel) [01:12] games* [01:12] i use gaim is why i typed that [01:12] if you just want to run Linux, I would just use Ubuntu [01:12] and i'm looking for an easy, stable linux desktop [01:12] okay [01:13] edubuntu and ubuntu share much of the same code and packages [01:13] i wasn't interested in one over the other, i didn't know the differences [01:13] but you would recommend ubuntu over xandros [01:13] for just typing, internet, stuff [01:14] absolutely [01:15] ubuntu is free (in the beer sense) and will always be [01:15] how come? [01:15] xandros isn't? [01:16] xandros is not free and most of the pieces of xandros are not oss [01:16] oss? [01:16] not saying that Xandros is a bad distro, just that it is probably better suited to business use [01:16] mikebot: Ubuntu has the advantage of targeting a novice's desktop experience from the get-go. [01:17] Open Source Software [01:17] oh [01:17] ah [01:17] but will all my applications be incompatible? [01:17] like i use macromedia flash sometimes [01:17] and watch movies [01:17] my suggestion would be to pull down the ubuntu live cd and try it [01:18] it will run Ubuntu entirely within ram [01:18] no, the Flash plugin is available and works under Firefox just fine (as well as under Konqueror, which is Kubuntu's [KDE] browser) [01:18] http://www.ubuntu.com/download [01:18] oh no, i mean like i createn things in flash [01:18] where is ubuntu live? [01:18] ah thanks [01:18] what is kde? [01:19] KDE is another environment, like GNOME. Kubuntu is the KDE project using the Ubuntu base. [01:19] haha i don't know what kde or gnome is [01:19] (i don't know much about computers) [01:19] mikebot: don't worry about it [01:19] that's fine, you shouldn't need to care what KDE or GNOME are [01:19] crimsun: don't confuse the man [01:20] i can run this iso on a virtual drive, right, since it is just going to use ram? [01:20] haha [01:20] no, but iw ant to learn about this stuff [01:20] that's why iw ant to switch out of windows [01:20] just burn with iso and then restart your computer [01:21] make certain your bios is set to boot from the cd [01:21] i don't have any blank cds [01:21] okay [01:21] are you guys using ubuntu right now? [01:21] yes [01:21] you can also try the VMware Player image [01:22] crimsun: what is that? [01:22] mikebot: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/ [01:23] i have a program that creates a virtual drive [01:23] but if it requires a restart then it wont work [01:23] right, if you want to try a Ubuntu live cd, then you need to reboot [01:23] ah okay [01:23] if you don't want to reboot out of Windows, then try the VMWare Player Ubuntu image (see the above URL) [01:24] okay [01:24] i'm downloading it [01:25] okay now i also have [01:25] two harddrives [01:25] and i don't mind formatting the one windows is on [01:25] but will my data be okay on the other? [01:26] yes, as long as you are careful with the installer [01:26] hehe okay [01:28] are there a lot of open source programs that are compatible with ubuntu? [01:29] yes [01:30] okay [01:30] wel thanks for your help guys [01:30] np [01:31] np === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.175] has joined #edubuntu === dinda [n=chatzill@cpe-72-177-141-191.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:26] join #ubuntuwomen === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.213.220.166] has joined #edubuntu === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.213.220.166] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] how can i browse open source programs compatible with ubuntu? [03:32] mikebot: on the applications menu, see the Add/Remove icon [03:32] oh no [03:33] it's still downloading [03:34] i was wodnering if there was like a webpage or soemthing [03:34] mikebot: currently not an easy one to parse [03:34] okay [03:34] thanks === tideline [n=tideline@cncrtnbas02-lo0-pool3-a20.cncrtn.tds.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:43] hi all, quick network related question - my laptop is having trouble finding its wireless card - it is visible in device manager, but not in network settings and there is no +add button to add it, is there a way to add it? [03:46] tideline: please ask in #ubuntu [03:46] even though I am using edubuntu? [03:46] tideline: that part of edubuntu is the same as Ubuntu [03:46] ok then [03:46] thanks [03:47] tideline: np [03:47] tideline: i suspect you have a card that might require ndiswrapper === KurtKraut [i=[U2FsdGV@UBUNTU.KURTKRAUT.net] has joined #edubuntu === gctaylor [n=gctaylor@sense-sea-MegaSub-1-884.oz.net] has joined #edubuntu === KurtKraut [i=[U2FsdGV@UBUNTU.KURTKRAUT.net] has left #edubuntu [] === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan is now known as sm|afk === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.226.60.131.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === jgedeon [n=joe@oh-67-77-123-4.sta.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.134.119] has joined #edubuntu === RailerJim [n=Railer@S010600062598fc59.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:25] couple quick questions, how is unbuntu at spotting wifi pci cards? and how old should you to use edubuntu? my 18 month old wants a computer, [06:25] RailerJim: ubuntu isn [06:26] RailerJim: isn't bad at wireless cards. As for age, edubuntu works will with up to about 10 === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [06:31] ok [06:31] RailerJim: for help with wireless, #ubuntu will be able to help you, as the tools for it and edubuntu are the same [06:31] how is it with random mouse strokes, and banging the living hell out of the keyboard? [06:34] RailerJim: there is no specific program to handle that and you might get unexpected results [06:35] beauty found the wifi automatically and the network [06:39] ok one lst question for you guys, why is it in the last year to 18 months, people want to use linux based os's have jumped IMO 30% to 50%? [06:39] because Linux is getting more and more mainstream press [06:39] plus the desktop stuff is maturing [06:40] there is a great convergence happening of Linux being ready on the desktop and people getting pissed off their current solution [06:43] quality GUI I know is a certainly one reason, security I think is another [06:46] I just to be able to use www.uptoten.com on here [06:50] anyone know why I cant use a flash form? [06:51] RailerJim: are the fonts displaying [06:51] no === southern [n=southern@catv-50632d87.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #edubuntu === southern [n=southern@catv-50632d87.catv.broadband.hu] has left #edubuntu [] === Artemis3 [n=Artemis3@201.243.149.54] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [08:44] JaneW silly Q... if someone d/ls the LiveCD, would they need to burn it to CD in order to run it as a LiveCD? [08:44] JaneW I am thinking yes.. [08:46] JaneW: they can use qemu [08:50] Burglaptop: er... huh? [08:50] Burglaptop: hello, btw, ltns [08:51] JaneW: ltns? [08:51] JaneW: qemu is an emulator http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ [08:52] Burglaptop: Long Time No See [08:52] oic [08:52] JaneW: indeed [08:52] Burglaptop: but otherwise you wouls=d need to burn it right? [08:52] yes [08:54] btw, I should have hte money to go to next conference, whereever it might by [08:55] bloody people and their bloody white and black ball [08:55] Burglaptop: it will be in Germany [08:55] Weisbaden, just after LinuxTag [08:57] JaneW: Frankfurt is a cheap place to fly into, that is nice [08:58] Burglaptop: good [08:58] Burglaptop: leem fnd hotel link for you... [09:00] owww, 19 hours return [09:00] http://www.achat-hotels.de/wDeutsch/02_hotels/Uebersicht_Hotels/26_Uebersicht.php [09:01] Burglaptop: that one is for Distro team and is basically refined into a sepc writting sprint [09:01] so the format will be similar to UBZ? [09:01] there's another event planned for June/July in Barcelona to be more of a Ubuntu World Conference [09:02] ah [09:02] I will be able to go to one, but which one? [09:02] the world conference will be less technical, no? [09:02] Burglaptop: well do you want to 'spread the love' or 'talk about specs'? ;) [09:02] but I want to do both... [09:03] heh [09:03] well Barcelona will be " It will be keynotes, talks, panel [09:03] discussions and not BOFs and specs. " [09:04] while Weisbaden is our plan the next distro Pow-Wow [09:04] wonder if I can get funding to the second [09:04] so basically BOFs and specs [09:04] by July I should have an organization up and running in Victoria to install Ubuntu on donated old hardware [09:05] Burglaptop: if you get on as a speaker or something possibly === Burglaptop plots [09:05] Burglaptop: get holod of jdub, he is scouting for speakers atm... [09:05] sorry awful typing today [09:06] in fact atm I am unavailable for Barcelona - still waiting to see if it compulsary attendance for me. If not you can tout Edubuntu with ogra ;) [09:07] or I coudl talk about getting involved from a non-coding standpoint [09:09] ok, emailed jdub [09:10] JaneW: how goes work? [09:10] Burglaptop: busy, but prety good [09:11] our Dapper Status Report is looking nice and green [09:11] I noticed that [09:11] next cycle I want to put a major marketing spin on how open our development process is [09:14] JaneW: how does it work, working with mdz, who is basically on a different schedule that really only meets right now [09:17] Burglaptop: we over lap later in the day too [09:17] Burglaptop: plus we e-mail back and forth [09:18] Burglaptop: I cahse a lot of info which I feed through to him and then he does what he needs to with it [09:18] it did take a while to figure it out though ;) [09:19] yes, I can imagine [09:19] userful finds it hard enough to communicate between two offices [09:27] heh [09:28] but we have our own issue [09:28] issues, even === jsgotangco peeks [09:34] spain and germany? oh wow === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [09:40] JaneW, if you got time, review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide i'm uploading a few more text at the moment [09:40] jsgotangco: ok will do === Burglaptop hugs jsgotangco [09:41] that is exactly what we need [09:44] arggh and i was hoping for a cookie for that === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [09:45] ok, that was odd [09:45] my machine locked up hard and then rebooted itself [09:48] jsgotangco: ping (testing my connection) === Vego [n=vegard@195.159.157.54] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-134-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-17-193-17.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === TOZII [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.12.141.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-134-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-44-2.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === dsaa [n=dsaa@210.213.92.173] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-127-178.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-127-178.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@59.12.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [03:01] ogra - you here ? [03:01] Yagisan, yup [03:02] any easy way to split up our ltsp ? I'm redoing my network and I want to push dhcp, and nfs off to another box, and keep the amd64 running the apps. [03:07] not easier or harder than with classic ltsp ... [03:07] ogra, no idea ? [03:09] hmm, this will be fun ... [03:11] its mainly only editing the dhcpd.conf and getting the servers up on the other machine ... [03:19] ogra - have you used either xen or uml ? I'm looking to pick one of the two for server consolidation [03:19] nope [03:25] hmm - it seems xen may be a better choice, but there doesn't seem to be an ubuntu package [03:26] nope, and there wont be [03:28] not even after the debian teams merge ? [03:37] debian teams merge ? [03:38] kernel, and xen teams on d-d === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.134.119] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] that doesnt say anything about upstream inclusion ... [03:46] ubuntu will only include stuff in the kernel thats also considered upstream ... === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.175] has joined #edubuntu === vmarks [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === michel [n=michel@zux006-048-229.adsl.green.ch] has joined #edubuntu [04:29] hmm [04:30] ogra: i'f i'm going to netinstall edubuntu, i'll need netboot.tar.gz, expand it and just dump the iso in the tftp server did i get that right? [04:30] there is no netinstall for edubuntu [04:30] you need to install ubuntu and do the edubuntu stuff manually [04:30] hmm [04:30] but in ubuntu that's the method right? [04:31] (d-i manual is rather terse) [04:31] there is a manual one directory up from the image ... [04:31] hi all in nearly one month i go to africa to install ltsp edubuntu, i would like to have some help if something is going wrong, any idea how to manage it? [04:32] michel, if you have online access there, we are always available in this channel ... [04:33] ok thanks [04:33] ogra: i still dont get it really :/ [04:34] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/20050317ubuntu19/doc/manual/en/ [04:34] has instructions ... === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [04:36] ogra: i'm sorry for being persistent but that's the same manual that i currently have and it doesn't say anything about where i dump the iso, i perfectly understand the purpose of netboot.tar.gz i'm missing something i guess thanks anyway [04:36] iso or whatever [04:37] i don't know how the connection is, but it is bad may be it is better wth mail, i am allready in the mailinglist ltsp, or any else? [04:37] michel, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel [04:38] for edubuntu specific questions ... === Vego [n=vegard@195.159.157.54] has joined #edubuntu [04:39] jsgotangco, look at the TFTP parts in that doc === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-45-253.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] ogra: i subscribe thanks [04:43] :) === kjcole [n=kjcole@72-254-158-163.client.stsn.net] has joined #edubuntu === kjcole [n=kjcole@72-254-158-163.client.stsn.net] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.67.56.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === knight [n=knight@ip-12-30-102-190.hqglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:08] hello [06:13] anyone here [06:13] I want to make a game run smooth and it is not working for me [06:13] It runs ok in the server but in the thin client it is choopy [06:14] choppy [06:33] any help === C-O-L-T [n=icechat5@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [06:55] hello anyone here === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes__ [i=hannes@dna254-92.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === nate__ [n=nate@c-69-142-125-54.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:08] hello [07:08] anyone at all === nate__ [n=nate@c-69-142-125-54.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [07:10] I am here [07:10] But I need answers too [07:10] how can I help upi [07:10] how can I help you === knight [n=knight@ip-12-30-102-190.hqglobal.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084C6CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === McMoo [n=McMoo@user-5515.l6.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === TOZII [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.29.58.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@59.12.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953e1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === eric__ [i=eric__@Joliette-ppp119235.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #edubuntu [09:16] Hi, does anyone is familiar with the error ''FATAL: Module slamr not found'' while installing slmodem-2.6.12-9-386 on Ubuntu? [09:16] or where I can get the information about it? === pawsilver [n=pawsilve@dsl-145-118-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:22] how do i get Open GL to work on a laptop (Compaq nx5000) === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.134.119] has left #edubuntu ["Abandonando"] === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.134.119] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:51] ogra: http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/?p=172 [10:08] spacey, cool [10:08] :) [10:08] spacey, yay [10:08] :))) [10:09] ofcourse i'll blog about updates regarding end user experiences [10:09] feel free to leave comments ;p [10:30] my poor lonely blog === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-70-17-193-17.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu