[01:05] <mikebot> hello, is anyone not idle?
[01:06] <Burglaptop> what do you need mikebot?
[01:06] <mikebot> i have a few questions
[01:06] <mikebot> hi
[01:06] <Burglaptop> shoot
[01:07] <mikebot> okay, well first what is the difference bewteen edubuntu and ubuntu?
[01:07] <Burglaptop> edubuntu is a sister project to ubuntu, designed for education settings
[01:07] <Burglaptop> it includes a number of educational apps by default, as well as LTSP
[01:07] <mikebot> what apps and what is ltsp?
[01:08] <Burglaptop> LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project
[01:08] <Burglaptop> it is a thin client system
[01:08] <mikebot> okau
[01:08] <mikebot> y
[01:09] <mikebot> right now i use windows with like open office, and aim and stuff
[01:09] <mikebot> those aren't compatible with linux, right?
[01:09] <Burglaptop> edubuntu also includes all the software that Ubuntu ships as well
[01:09] <Burglaptop> such as OpenOffice, Firefox and Gaim
[01:09] <mikebot> oh okay
[01:10] <Burglaptop> as for specific applications, the main ones are the kde education suite and gcompris
[01:10] <mikebot> i don't know what those are
[01:10] <Burglaptop> http://gcompris.net/
[01:11] <Burglaptop> http://edu.kde.org/
[01:11] <mikebot> okay thanks
[01:11] <mikebot> and would you recommend this over like red hat or xandros?
[01:11] <Burglaptop> hey np
[01:11] <Burglaptop> it honestly depends on what you are doing with it
[01:12] <Burglaptop> part of the goal of edubuntu is the ability for a teacher to fairly quickly and easily set up an entire classroom
[01:12] <mikebot> i just want to run linux, i don't play gaims, i just browse the itnernet, and do school work (writing and excel)
[01:12] <mikebot> games*
[01:12] <mikebot> i use gaim is why i typed that
[01:12] <Burglaptop> if you just want to run Linux, I would just use Ubuntu
[01:12] <mikebot> and i'm looking for an easy, stable linux desktop
[01:12] <mikebot> okay
[01:13] <Burglaptop> edubuntu and ubuntu share much of the same code and packages
[01:13] <mikebot> i wasn't interested in one over the other, i didn't know the differences
[01:13] <mikebot> but you would recommend ubuntu over xandros
[01:13] <mikebot> for just typing, internet, stuff
[01:14] <Burglaptop> absolutely
[01:15] <Burglaptop> ubuntu is free (in the beer sense) and will always be
[01:15] <mikebot> how come?
[01:15] <mikebot> xandros isn't?
[01:16] <Burglaptop> xandros is not free and most of the pieces of xandros are not oss
[01:16] <mikebot> oss?
[01:16] <Burglaptop> not saying that Xandros is a bad distro, just that it is probably better suited to business use
[01:16] <crimsun> mikebot: Ubuntu has the advantage of targeting a novice's desktop experience from the get-go.
[01:17] <Burglaptop> Open Source Software
[01:17] <mikebot> oh
[01:17] <mikebot> ah
[01:17] <mikebot> but will all my applications be incompatible?
[01:17] <mikebot> like i use macromedia flash sometimes
[01:17] <mikebot> and watch movies
[01:17] <Burglaptop> my suggestion would be to pull down the ubuntu live cd and try it
[01:18] <Burglaptop> it will run Ubuntu entirely within ram
[01:18] <crimsun> no, the Flash plugin is available and works under Firefox just fine (as well as under Konqueror, which is Kubuntu's [KDE]  browser)
[01:18] <Burglaptop> http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[01:18] <mikebot> oh no, i mean like i createn things in flash
[01:18] <mikebot> where is ubuntu live?
[01:18] <mikebot> ah thanks
[01:18] <mikebot> what is kde?
[01:19] <crimsun> KDE is another environment, like GNOME. Kubuntu is the KDE project using the Ubuntu base.
[01:19] <mikebot> haha i don't know what kde or gnome is
[01:19] <mikebot> (i don't know much about computers)
[01:19] <Burglaptop> mikebot: don't worry about it
[01:19] <crimsun> that's fine, you shouldn't need to care what KDE or GNOME are
[01:19] <Burglaptop> crimsun: don't confuse the man
[01:20] <mikebot> i can run this iso on a virtual drive, right, since it is just going to use ram?
[01:20] <mikebot> haha
[01:20] <mikebot> no, but iw ant to learn about this stuff
[01:20] <mikebot> that's why iw ant to switch out of windows
[01:20] <Burglaptop> just burn with iso and then restart your computer
[01:21] <Burglaptop> make certain your bios is set to boot from the cd
[01:21] <mikebot> i don't have any blank cds
[01:21] <mikebot> okay
[01:21] <mikebot> are you guys using ubuntu right now?
[01:21] <Burglaptop> yes
[01:21] <crimsun> you can also try the VMware Player image
[01:22] <mikebot> crimsun: what is that?
[01:22] <crimsun> mikebot: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/
[01:23] <mikebot> i have a program that creates a virtual drive
[01:23] <mikebot> but if it requires a restart then it wont work
[01:23] <crimsun> right, if you want to try a Ubuntu live cd, then you need to reboot
[01:23] <mikebot> ah okay
[01:23] <crimsun> if you don't want to reboot out of Windows, then try the VMWare Player Ubuntu image (see the above URL)
[01:24] <mikebot> okay
[01:24] <mikebot> i'm downloading it
[01:25] <mikebot> okay now i also have
[01:25] <mikebot> two harddrives
[01:25] <mikebot> and i don't mind formatting the one windows is on
[01:25] <mikebot> but will my data be okay on the other?
[01:26] <Burglaptop> yes, as long as you are careful with the installer
[01:26] <mikebot> hehe okay
[01:28] <mikebot> are there a lot of open source programs that are compatible with ubuntu?
[01:29] <Burglaptop> yes
[01:30] <mikebot> okay
[01:30] <mikebot> wel thanks for your help guys
[01:30] <crimsun> np
[01:31] <Burglaptop> np
[02:26] <dinda> join #ubuntuwomen
[03:31] <mikebot> how can i browse open source programs compatible with ubuntu?
[03:32] <Burglaptop> mikebot: on the applications menu, see the Add/Remove icon
[03:32] <mikebot> oh no
[03:33] <mikebot> it's still downloading
[03:34] <mikebot> i was wodnering if there was like a webpage or soemthing
[03:34] <Burglaptop> mikebot: currently not an easy one to parse
[03:34] <mikebot> okay
[03:34] <mikebot> thanks
[03:43] <tideline> hi all, quick network related question - my laptop is having trouble finding its wireless card - it is visible in device manager, but not in network settings and there is no +add button to add it, is there a way to add it?
[03:46] <Burglaptop> tideline: please ask in #ubuntu
[03:46] <tideline> even though I am using edubuntu?
[03:46] <Burglaptop> tideline: that part of edubuntu is the same as Ubuntu
[03:46] <tideline> ok then
[03:46] <tideline> thanks
[03:47] <Burglaptop> tideline: np
[03:47] <Burglaptop> tideline: i suspect you have a card that might require ndiswrapper
[06:25] <RailerJim> couple quick questions, how is unbuntu at spotting wifi pci cards? and how old should you to use edubuntu? my 18 month old wants a computer, 
[06:25] <Burglaptop> RailerJim: ubuntu isn
[06:26] <Burglaptop> RailerJim: isn't bad at wireless cards. As for age, edubuntu works will with up to about 10
[06:31] <RailerJim> ok
[06:31] <Burglaptop> RailerJim: for help with wireless, #ubuntu will be able to help you, as the tools for it and edubuntu are the same
[06:31] <RailerJim> how is it with random mouse strokes, and banging the living hell out of the keyboard?
[06:34] <Burglaptop> RailerJim: there is no specific program to handle that and you might get unexpected results
[06:35] <RailerJim> beauty found the wifi automatically and the network
[06:39] <RailerJim> ok one lst question for you guys, why is it in the last year to 18 months, people want to use linux based os's have jumped IMO 30% to 50%?
[06:39] <Burglaptop> because Linux is getting more and more mainstream press
[06:39] <Burglaptop> plus the desktop stuff is maturing
[06:40] <Burglaptop> there is a great convergence happening of Linux being ready on the desktop and people getting pissed off their current solution
[06:43] <RailerJim> quality GUI I know is a certainly one reason, security I think is another
[06:46] <RailerJim> I just to be able to use www.uptoten.com on here
[06:50] <RailerJim> anyone know why I cant use a flash form?
[06:51] <Burglaptop> RailerJim: are the fonts displaying
[06:51] <RailerJim> no
[08:44] <JaneW> JaneW silly Q... if someone d/ls the LiveCD, would they need to burn it to CD in order to run it as a LiveCD? 
[08:44] <JaneW> JaneW I am thinking yes..
[08:46] <Burglaptop> JaneW: they can use qemu
[08:50] <JaneW> Burglaptop: er... huh?
[08:50] <JaneW> Burglaptop: hello, btw, ltns
[08:51] <Burglaptop> JaneW: ltns?
[08:51] <Burglaptop> JaneW: qemu is an emulator http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
[08:52] <JaneW> Burglaptop: Long Time No See
[08:52] <JaneW> oic
[08:52] <Burglaptop> JaneW: indeed
[08:52] <JaneW> Burglaptop: but otherwise you wouls=d need to burn it right?
[08:52] <Burglaptop> yes
[08:54] <Burglaptop> btw, I should have hte money to go to next conference, whereever it might by
[08:55] <Burglaptop> bloody people and their bloody white and black ball
[08:55] <JaneW> Burglaptop: it will be in Germany
[08:55] <JaneW> Weisbaden, just after LinuxTag
[08:57] <Burglaptop> JaneW: Frankfurt is a cheap place to fly into, that is nice
[08:58] <JaneW> Burglaptop: good
[08:58] <JaneW> Burglaptop: leem fnd hotel link for you...
[09:00] <Burglaptop> owww, 19 hours return
[09:00] <JaneW> http://www.achat-hotels.de/wDeutsch/02_hotels/Uebersicht_Hotels/26_Uebersicht.php
[09:01] <JaneW> Burglaptop: that one is for Distro team and is basically refined into a sepc writting sprint
[09:01] <Burglaptop> so the format will be similar to UBZ?
[09:01] <JaneW> there's another event planned for June/July in Barcelona to be more of a Ubuntu World Conference
[09:02] <Burglaptop> ah
[09:02] <Burglaptop> I will be able to go to one, but which one?
[09:02] <Burglaptop> the world conference will be less technical, no?
[09:02] <JaneW> Burglaptop: well do you want to 'spread the love' or 'talk about specs'? ;)
[09:02] <Burglaptop> but I want to do both...
[09:03] <JaneW> heh
[09:03] <JaneW> well Barcelona will be " It will be keynotes, talks, panel
[09:03] <JaneW> discussions and not BOFs and specs. "
[09:04] <JaneW> while Weisbaden is our plan the next distro Pow-Wow
[09:04] <Burglaptop> wonder if I can get funding to the second
[09:04] <JaneW> so basically BOFs and specs
[09:04] <Burglaptop> by July I should have an organization up and running in Victoria to install Ubuntu on donated old hardware
[09:05] <JaneW> Burglaptop: if you get on as a speaker or something possibly
[09:05] <JaneW> Burglaptop: get holod of jdub, he is scouting for speakers atm...
[09:05] <JaneW> sorry awful typing today
[09:06] <JaneW> in fact atm I am unavailable for Barcelona - still waiting to see if it compulsary attendance for me. If not you can tout Edubuntu with ogra ;)
[09:07] <Burglaptop> or I coudl talk about getting involved from a non-coding standpoint
[09:09] <Burglaptop> ok, emailed jdub
[09:10] <Burglaptop> JaneW: how goes work?
[09:10] <JaneW> Burglaptop: busy, but prety good
[09:11] <JaneW> our Dapper Status Report is looking nice and green
[09:11] <Burglaptop> I noticed that
[09:11] <Burglaptop> next cycle I want to put a major marketing spin on how open our development process is
[09:14] <Burglaptop> JaneW: how does it work, working with mdz, who is basically on a different schedule that really only meets right now
[09:17] <JaneW> Burglaptop: we over lap later in the day too
[09:17] <JaneW> Burglaptop: plus we e-mail back and forth
[09:18] <JaneW> Burglaptop: I cahse a lot of info which I feed through to him and then he does what he needs to with it
[09:18] <JaneW> it did take a while to figure it out though ;)
[09:19] <Burglaptop> yes, I can imagine
[09:19] <Burglaptop> userful finds it hard enough to communicate between two offices
[09:27] <JaneW> heh
[09:28] <Burglaptop> but we have our own issue
[09:28] <Burglaptop> issues, even
[09:34] <jsgotangco> spain and germany? oh wow
[09:40] <jsgotangco> JaneW, if you got time, review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuQuickguide i'm uploading a few more text at the moment
[09:40] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ok will do
[09:41] <Burglaptop> that is exactly what we need
[09:44] <jsgotangco> arggh and i was hoping for a cookie for that
[09:45] <Burglaptop> ok, that was odd
[09:45] <Burglaptop> my machine locked up hard and then rebooted itself
[09:48] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: ping (testing my connection)
[03:01] <Yagisan> ogra - you here ?
[03:01] <ogra> Yagisan, yup
[03:02] <Yagisan> any easy way to split up our ltsp ? I'm redoing my network and I want to push dhcp, and nfs off to another box, and keep the amd64 running the apps.
[03:07] <ogra> not easier or harder than with classic ltsp ...
[03:07] <Yagisan> ogra, no idea ?
[03:09] <Yagisan> hmm, this will be fun ...
[03:11] <ogra> its mainly only editing the dhcpd.conf and getting the servers up on the other machine ...
[03:19] <Yagisan> ogra - have you used either xen or uml ? I'm looking to pick one of the two for server consolidation
[03:19] <ogra> nope
[03:25] <Yagisan> hmm - it seems xen may be a better choice, but there doesn't seem to be an ubuntu package
[03:26] <ogra> nope, and there wont be
[03:28] <Yagisan> not even after the debian teams merge ?
[03:37] <ogra> debian teams merge ? 
[03:38] <Yagisan> kernel, and xen teams on d-d
[03:45] <ogra> that doesnt say anything about upstream inclusion ...
[03:46] <ogra> ubuntu will only include stuff in the kernel thats also considered upstream ...
[04:29] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:30] <jsgotangco> ogra: i'f i'm going to netinstall edubuntu, i'll need netboot.tar.gz, expand it and just dump the iso in the tftp server did i get that right?
[04:30] <ogra> there is no netinstall for edubuntu 
[04:30] <ogra> you need to install ubuntu and do the edubuntu stuff manually
[04:30] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:30] <jsgotangco> but in ubuntu that's the method right?
[04:31] <jsgotangco> (d-i manual is rather terse)
[04:31] <ogra> there is a manual one directory up from the image ...
[04:31] <michel> hi all in nearly one month i go to africa to install ltsp edubuntu, i would like to have some help if something is going wrong, any idea how to manage it?
[04:32] <ogra> michel, if you have online access there, we are always available in this channel ...
[04:33] <michel> ok thanks 
[04:33] <jsgotangco> ogra: i still dont get it really :/
[04:34] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/20050317ubuntu19/doc/manual/en/
[04:34] <ogra> has instructions ...
[04:36] <jsgotangco> ogra: i'm sorry for being persistent but that's the same manual that i currently have and it doesn't say anything about where i dump the iso, i perfectly understand the purpose of netboot.tar.gz i'm missing something i guess thanks anyway
[04:36] <jsgotangco> iso or whatever
[04:37] <michel> i don't know how the connection is, but it is bad may be it is better wth mail, i am allready in the mailinglist ltsp, or any else?
[04:37] <ogra> michel, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[04:38] <ogra> for edubuntu specific questions ...
[04:39] <ogra> jsgotangco, look at the TFTP parts in that doc 
[04:43] <michel> ogra: i subscribe thanks
[04:43] <ogra> :)
[06:08] <knight> hello
[06:13] <knight> anyone here
[06:13] <knight> I want to make a game run smooth and it is not working for me
[06:13] <knight> It runs ok in the server but in the thin client it is choopy
[06:14] <knight> choppy
[06:33] <knight> any help
[06:55] <knight> hello anyone here
[07:08] <nate__> hello
[07:08] <nate__> anyone at all
[07:10] <knight> I am here
[07:10] <knight> But I need answers too
[07:10] <knight> how can I help upi 
[07:10] <knight> how can I help you 
[09:16] <eric__> Hi, does anyone is familiar with the error ''FATAL: Module slamr not found'' while installing slmodem-2.6.12-9-386 on Ubuntu?
[09:16] <eric__> or where I can get the information about it?
[09:22] <pawsilver> how do i get Open GL to work on a laptop  (Compaq nx5000)
[09:51] <spacey> ogra: http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/?p=172
[10:08] <Burgwork> spacey, cool
[10:08] <spacey> :)
[10:08] <ogra> spacey, yay 
[10:08] <ogra> :)))
[10:09] <spacey> ofcourse i'll blog about updates regarding end user experiences
[10:09] <spacey> feel free to leave comments ;p
[10:30] <spacey> my poor lonely blog