[12:10] <tonio_> hi LaserJock
[12:14] <LaserJock> hi Tonio_ 
[12:14] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:15] <Tonio_> searching for settings that could/should be set on the desktop part
[09:03] <Tm_T> hi
[09:04] <Hobbsee> hey
[09:04] <Tm_T> what's up?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> looking into whether a compiler that runs thru cygwin in my computer course can run native through linux.
[09:05] <Hobbsee> i have not yet found an answer
[09:05] <Hobbsee> also trying to replace the kmenu
[09:08] <Tm_T> yup
[09:08] <Tm_T> would be great
[09:09] <Hobbsee> definetly
[09:09] <Hobbsee> suggest it to tonio lol
[09:10] <Tm_T> gah, he's not here!
[09:11] <Hobbsee> hehe i know!
[09:11] <Tm_T> ofcourse when we have some work for him, coward...
[09:11] <Tm_T> ;(
[09:12] <Tm_T> or, order those 10 to three major
[09:15] <Hobbsee> to be windows like?
[09:16] <Tm_T> windows?
[09:16] <Tm_T> I don't know how it's in windows
[09:17] <Hobbsee> most or all the apps are in all programs, and it's a painful job trying to find the one you want
[09:17] <Hobbsee> it's very nice having them all categorisied by what they actually do
[09:18] <Tm_T> true
[09:18] <Hobbsee> then again, you could easily combine system and utilities - they seem to be synonymous, to me
[09:18] <Tm_T> aye
[09:18] <Tm_T> also tools and editors... editors are tools?
[09:18] <Tm_T> etc etc
[09:18] <Hobbsee> i dont have editors and tools, but yeah
[09:19] <Tm_T> hmm, I don't have tools either
[09:19] <Tm_T> actually the way "debian" menu is ordered...
[09:22] <Tm_T> WTF!
[09:22] <Tm_T> where's "display" module from kcontrol
[09:27] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kcontrol-display-wtf.png
[09:28] <Hobbsee> yay!
[09:28] <Hobbsee> i think this worked
[09:28] <Tm_T> it was working last week
[09:28] <Tm_T> or before
[09:34] <nlindblad> I assume someone in here knows C
[09:34] <nlindblad> I want to investigate if an already declared string contains a given string 
[09:35] <Tm_T> I know C is fine letter
[09:35] <Tm_T> also programming language
[09:35] <nlindblad> like, if "hejsan" contains "hej" then do something
[09:36] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: treat the string as an array, step through it and look for your pattern. if str[3] ==h, check if str[4] ==e and so on
[09:37] <nlindblad> oh
[09:38] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: there may be libraries that contains functions that do exactly what you want. glibc probably have something, or libpcre might do
[09:38] <nlindblad> okey
[09:38] <nlindblad> I'd like to achieve it without having to properly learn C
[09:38] <nlindblad> just the string part
[09:39] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: then use something like perl ;-D
[09:40] <ubijtsa2> if( "hej" =~ $string ) { do something };
[09:40] <nlindblad> I'm writing a patch for sshd
[09:40] <nlindblad> :D
[09:41] <Hobbsee> hmmm...my default kmenu setttings dont stick
[09:45] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[09:45] <Tm_T> Riddell: have you seen this? http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kcontrol-display-wtf.png
[09:45] <Tm_T> not good I think
[09:46] <Tm_T> maybe I should file a bug
[09:46] <Riddell> I've not seen that
[09:46] <Riddell> _Sime: any idea what's causing that?
[09:55] <nlindblad> ubijtsa2: http://pastebin.com/574576 could you please have a look
[09:56] <Tonio_> hello
[09:56] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[09:56] <Hobbsee> the man of the moment
[09:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hi
[09:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ? the moment ? :)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'll pastebin
[09:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: k
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: http://pastebin.com/574579
[09:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay
[09:59] <Tonio_> in fact that's not very easy cause there is no "default" K menu
[09:59] <Tonio_> it is build dynamically reading the .desktop files in several directories
[09:59] <Tonio_> including /usr/share/applications, your profiles etc....
[10:00] <Hobbsee_away> ugh right
[10:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_away: the only thing is that what is customized is in your profile
[10:00] <Tonio_> and what isn't is in /usr/share
[10:00] <Hobbsee_away> *nods*
[10:01] <Tonio_> but the only way to "switch" between menus is to have an application that allows to edit and move/rename between several kmenurc files in your profile
[10:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_away: not possible for me to do that ;)
[10:02] <Tonio_> that would need a complete developpment
[10:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee_away: good news, the kate sessions problem is resolved :)
[10:02] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: looking now
[10:03] <nlindblad> :D
[10:04] <Tm_T> Tonio_: you're somekind of KDE config wizard?
[10:04] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: hmm.. I gather sscanf takes a template for its input.. (/me not too familiar with C)
[10:05] <nlindblad> ubijtsa2: it's for the ssh daemon
[10:05] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I think Riddelldoesn't like those wizzards, and I must say I agree his choice
[10:05] <Tm_T> Tonio_: errrh
[10:05] <nlindblad> ubijtsa2: I've read the RFC for the protocol and straced it and used netstat
[10:05] <Tonio_> Tm_T: talking about the possibility to config the K menu with the first boot ?
[10:05] <Tm_T> no
[10:05] <Tonio_> ho sorry, what about then ?
[10:05] <ubijtsa2> nlindblad: looks good to me.. but as I said, not a pro programmer :)
[10:05] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I'm talkong about your skills and knowledge related to KDE configs
[10:05] <nlindblad> ubijtsa2: all client_version_string's are of the format SSH-X.x-client-.x.y
[10:06] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ok ;) Well I don't know much more than anyone in fact... I'm just searching problem per problem, that's all :)
[10:06] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I would like to have some way to switch between "default" kmenu (like it now) and "custom" kmenu (something that user like to see)
[10:06] <Tonio_> each problem is a file, and diff -ru .kde .kde2 IS MY FRIEND ;)
[10:07] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I understood that
[10:07] <Tonio_> that can be possible in fact, but hard to manage...
[10:07] <Tm_T> uh
[10:07] <Tonio_> the K menu is build dynamically, and you can customize it with your own .desktop files + kmenburc file
[10:07] <Tonio_> kmenurc
[10:07] <Tm_T> because I would like to reorder my kmenu hard way, but also would like to have something to fall back
[10:08] <Tonio_> the problem is to switch easilly between all those settings
[10:08] <Tm_T> heh
[10:08] <Tonio_> not an easy job to do it propper
[10:08] <Tonio_> yes, comming back to the virgin menu
[10:08] <Tm_T> problem is how to keep them both uptodate
[10:08] <Tonio_> is that what you're talking about ?
[10:08] <Tm_T> yup, sort of
[10:08] <Tonio_> hum
[10:09] <Tonio_> the default menu is always up to date, cause it soedn't exist technically
[10:09] <Tm_T> aye
[10:09] <Tonio_> it is rebuild every session
[10:09] <Tonio_> reding the desktop files
[10:09] <freeflying> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9424
[10:09] <Tonio_> all specific settings you do are in desktop files in your profile
[10:10] <Tm_T> hmm, so technically it's just disabling/enabling my tweaks
[10:10] <Tonio_> Tm_T: and if you reorder or hinde some, it is in kmenurc
[10:10] <Tm_T> ok
[10:10] <Tonio_> if you delete this file, or rename it, you will be back to the default one
[10:11] <Tonio_> ~/./share/config/kmenueditrc
[10:11] <Tonio_> here is the exact file, it isn't kmenurc, sorry ;)
[10:11] <Tm_T> ooh
[10:11] <Tm_T> does it apply "on the fly" ?
[10:12] <Tonio_> in fact the K menu is the combination of many thigs
[10:12] <Tm_T> aye
[10:12] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes, a few seconds only to apply
[10:12] <Tm_T> ah
[10:12] <Tm_T> then it's good
[10:12] <Tm_T> and yes I know it's mixture of many things but I'm talking about that application section
[10:12] <Tonio_> the K menu is the result of the readin of .desktop files in /usr/share/appliations, the equivalent in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings, that kmenueditrc, .desktop files in your profile etc.....
[10:12] <Tm_T> so you already answered to my question
[10:13] <Tonio_> it is a comomplete mess in fact
[10:13] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:13] <Tm_T> indeed
[10:13] <Tonio_> "complete"
[10:15] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:16] <Tm_T> so all of that is somewhere else
[10:17] <Tonio_> hum, isn't that the good file ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> let me check
[10:17] <seaLne> weird konq won't run for me today
[10:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ~/./.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[10:18] <Tonio_> sont parameters are there too
[10:18] <Tonio_> if you're talking about displaying or not some menus, apps etc.......;
[10:18] <Tm_T> ah
[10:18] <Tonio_> another file :) messy lol
[10:18] <Tm_T> yes and where they are displayed
[10:18] <Tonio_> yes, that's in that file in xml format
[10:19] <Tonio_> and if you modified .desktop entries, you should find them in your profile too
[10:19] <Tm_T> hmm, I wonder what happens if I move that file...
[10:20] <Tm_T> let's try! =)
[10:21] <Tonio_> suposedly you will get a full complete default K  menu
[10:21] <Tm_T> ah yes
[10:21] <Tm_T> immediately
[10:21] <Tonio_> yep
[10:21] <Tm_T> so all I need is move that file around
[10:21] <Tm_T> would be that too afwul thing to offer in systemsettings to every user?
[10:22] <Tonio_> Tm_T: no idea, I have never coded anything ;)
[10:22] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:22] <Tonio_> could be done as a guidance tool maybe
[10:23] <Tm_T> Tonio_: thank you very much, now I can modify kmenu free without worrying backups :)
[10:24] <seaLne> anyone good at looking at strace output? konq just sits forever at a read: http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/konq.txt
[10:24] <Tonio_> Tm_T: you're servant
[10:27] <_Sime> Tm_T: can you run "xset -q" and email the result to simon@simonzone.com? I'll have a lot at that python exception problem.
[10:28] <Tm_T> _Sime: sure
[10:28] <Tm_T> _Sime: whatever helps :)
[10:28] <_Sime> Riddell: Hi. I see you are back at the jo. :)
[10:28] <_Sime> Tm_T: cool, thanks,
[10:30] <nlindblad> what do I need to install to get the developers version of the C-libraries?
[10:35] <ubijtsa2> glibc-dev ?
[10:36] <Tm_T> _Sime: in what situation I should run that? just now or do I need kcontrol running or...
[10:38] <_Sime> Tm_T: just from the shell in enough.
[10:43] <Tm_T> ok
[10:44] <Tm_T> _Sime: http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/temp/foo-sime.txt
[10:44] <_Sime> Tm_T: thanks
[10:45] <Hobbsee_away> Tonio_: yay @ the kate sessions!
[10:54] <seaLne> hmm ok kmail, kopete and amarok aren't working either
[10:55] <seaLne> i wonder what broke over the weekend on my machine
[10:56] <Hobbsee> seaLne: try the old kernel maybe?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> not working as in freezing or what?
[10:57] <seaLne> kernel hasn't changed recently
[10:57] <seaLne> http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/konq.txt konq just sits trying to read never displaying anything
[10:57] <Hobbsee> i meant to 2.6.15-16-blah
[10:57] <seaLne> 2.6.15-15-k7
[10:58] <seaLne> this morning i dist-upgraded and restarted X
[10:58] <Tm_T> _Sime: else I can do?
[11:00] <seaLne> Hobbsee: any idea if anything much changed in the kernel between -15 and -16? can't see that would stop stuff working after it had been fine all last week
[11:02] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i dont know, but i got major networking problems for it, machine would freeze while loading ndiswrapper, kopete would freeze randomly, etc
[11:03] <Hobbsee> i'm using -15 now
[11:03] <seaLne> i'll try a kernel upgrade and a reboot just to be sure
[11:05] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: have we thought about using crystal clear as our default kde icon scheme at all?
[11:08] <Tonio_> hum........ why not, but that needs to be duscussed ;) I like the default theme :)
[11:09] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[11:09] <Hobbsee> crystal, crystal clear, or another one, are all quite nice
[11:16] <Tm_T> oh, now my menu is sooo beautiful
[11:18] <seaLne> Hobbsee: err rebooting seems to have fixed things, but i really doubt it was the kernel..
[11:19] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it may well not have been - i just found i had problems with it
[11:20] <Tm_T> hmm, somehow this doesn't work right
[11:22] <seaLne> possibly a combination of upgrades without a reboot since early last week
[11:22] <freeflying> may I play ape format file with amarok-xine ?
[11:35] <Tm_T> oh my oh my
[11:35] <Tm_T> kmenuedit creates _ugly_ xml
[11:48] <Hobbsee> well, printing to an IPP printer *definetly* works on my dapper machine
[11:52] <Tm_T> but now it works and look good, enough for now
[11:52] <Tm_T> ...less codeine to me, don't you think?
[11:53] <Tm_T> I have very numb feeling
[11:54] <Tm_T> because of painkillers
[11:55] <Tm_T> weird though, those painkillers does mess my head but pain still exists very strong :p
[12:12] <Tonio_> guys, in the actual config, except the tab position on application and kate sessions which is actually resolved, what could/should be configured according to you ?
[12:12] <Tonio_> there are certainly improvements I'm missing
[12:27] <Riddell> raphink: did you want CDs?
[12:27] <raphink> hmm sure that can be useful Riddell :)
[12:28] <raphink> I still have some, but I spare them in the fear that I might run low on them
[12:28] <raphink> brb
[12:29] <_Sime> Tm_T: that bug is fixed in the next guidance release. (some time this week).
[12:29] <Tm_T> _Sime: jolly good, thank you :)
[12:29] <freeflying> Riddell: I've mail you my address , got it ?
[12:30] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, got yours :)
[12:30] <Riddell> trying to remember who else has asked
[12:30] <Tm_T> ah!
[12:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'll mail my postal address now =)
[12:31] <Tm_T> heh
[12:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: your email address was...
[12:32] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu.com
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi !
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: kate's sessions issues is resolved
[12:32] <Tonio_> but requires a patch for kdebase
[12:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, ok
[12:34] <freeflying> Riddell: can i select language with kdm like gdm dose 
[12:34] <Riddell> wonder how much that'll annoy the kate developers :)
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying: no, I don't think you can, that's something I'd like added
[12:35] <freeflying> Riddell: if that can be added ,another problems about CJK can be solved
[12:35] <freeflying> s/problems/problem
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you look at the kdm theme and add back the restart X option?
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: and while you're there see if there's a way to have a language menu? (but I suspect there isn't)
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, I'l have a look
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: just sent you a mail with the patch for kate.desktop
[12:37] <Tonio_> other part of the config is in k-d-s
[12:37] <Tonio_> hum, Riddell no way for a language menu actually, need to ask to upstream
[12:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: awaiting e-mail..
[12:37] <Tm_T> sent
[12:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: suse has a bunch of patches to kdm, I wonder if it's in one of theirs.  can't remember what the branch is called though
[12:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: #ubuntu-fi is on freenode now?
[12:38] <Tonio_> -fr ?
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: apparently yes
[12:38] <Riddell> don't think Tm_T speaks French
[12:39] <Tm_T> :p
[12:39] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-fi is always been in freenode
[12:39] <Tonio_> ah, the message wasn't to me so.....
[12:39] <Riddell> oh, so why is !kubuntu-fi on some other network again?
[12:39] <Tm_T> #ubuntu.fi && !kubuntu.fi is in IRCnet
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, sorry, my fault :)
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ;)
[12:39] <Riddell> Tm_T: what is #ubuntu+1?
[12:40] <Tm_T> hm
[12:40] <Tm_T> 13:40 < ubotu> [dapper]  the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.  join #ubuntu+1 to talk about it, or use http://tinyurl.com/rtgxo for easy updates
[12:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: I only have i386 CDs
[12:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: thats fine too
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's the place where they chucked all the dapper people from #ubuntu in
[12:41] <sebas> Riddell: dot thing posted.
[12:41] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[12:41] <sebas> Some links are missing though, but the text should be OK>
[12:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:42] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: interesting that support of testers is "let's dump they all to their own channel!" ;(
[12:42] <freeflying> Riddell: u mean suse has patched kdm for language select?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: true, but the breezy people cant exactly troubleshoot dapper-specific problems, i guess
[12:43] <Tm_T> true too
[12:44] <Riddell> freeflying: it has patched kdm, I'm not sure if language select is one of their added features
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: one thing is sure, the actual kdm theme has words in images, and thought will not be translated whatever is patched
[12:46] <Tonio_> I should discuss with the developper about a multilangage functionnality in the future
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, that needs to be fixed
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's fairly easy to fix, just use the correct label in the .xml file instead of images for text
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes sure, but can a kdm theme be i18n ?
[12:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: going to join UbuntuWomen?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got no idea - might help if i look at it first
[12:50] <Riddell> always good to make sure we have a kubuntu influence everywhere :)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[12:50] <Tm_T> Riddell: skotlanti
[12:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: if that's what you were asking =)
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning that kdm option missing, did we loose it while updating the kdm theme ? cause I don't see anything relating to options to display in it......
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ok, well that redirect works :D
[12:54] <Tonio_> grmpf..... don't understand
[12:55] <Hobbsee> of course, having 8+ email accounts means it's easy to send from one to another to test...
[12:56] <Tm_T> hmm hmm!
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about gtk_qt_engine this WE, and there is a little problem with it...
[12:59] <Tonio_> by default, it is not configured on a new profile, and to activate, a user has to go in systemsettings, change and undo, then click "apply"
[01:00] <Tonio_> that is not very convenient, so I was thinking about automating the 2 config files creation by default for new profiles
[01:00] <Tonio_> thought that /etc/skel is not convenient, because k-d-s is installed after the initial profile is created
[01:01] <Tonio_> another option is an autostart script in /usr/share/autostart which would do a if -x blabla_rc then cp etc....
[01:01] <Tonio_> your opinion on this ?
[01:07] <hunger> Riddell: Missed your presentation at fosdem and the pre-fosdem event, too:-(
[01:09] <hunger> Is it possible to get more zeroconf support into KDE?
[01:09] <hunger> Like fish and sftp 
[01:09] <hunger> ?
[01:09] <hunger> Those are supported by konqueror just fine, they just are not recognized by zeroconf.
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: for the "Restart X server" option in kdm, s/AllowClose=false/AllowClose=true in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[01:11] <Tonio_> nothing to do with k-d-s
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you want a patch for kdebase for this ?
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: just sent you a patch for kdmrc for this pb, tested here, works perfectly
[01:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[01:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: neither of those sound very convenient for gtk, there must be a gtk way to set default theme
[01:31] <Riddell> probably a gconf thing
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, the default theme needs to be set in .gtkrc-2.0
[01:33] <Tonio_> but how to have that create without launching a gtk app first ?
[01:33] <Tonio_> that's the reason I'm searching for a way to get that file copied from the kde starting or something.......
[01:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: there must be a way to do it outside the home directory though
[01:34] <Riddell> same as we do for kde stuff
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yes, certainly
[01:34] <Tonio_> like kubuntu-default-settings
[01:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: although we could just have a bit on startkde if ~/.gtkrc-2.0 not exist, echo 'gtk-theme-name="Qt"' > ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[01:35] <Tonio_> the problem is that gtk_qt_engine_rc is created from a standard file
[01:35] <Tonio_> s/is/isn't
[01:35] <Tonio_> it is created "from nothing"
[01:35] <Riddell> yes
[01:36] <Tonio_> that's why my idea was to provide those 2 files with k-d-s and set a little startkde script eventually
[01:36] <Riddell> yeah, we can do that, but ask some gnome people if there's a way to do it outside the home directory first
[01:37] <Tonio_> okay
[01:37] <Tonio_> last thing (sorry), I was thinking about the default size of icons in konq
[01:37] <Riddell> gtk-qt engine used to substitute gnome icons to kde icons but doesn't any more for me, feel free to investigate that one too :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> default for the desktop is 48, which is nice, but default for konq is 64, which results very big icons on a 1024*768 screen
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: wouldn't 48 be enough ?
[01:39] <Tonio_> hum, yes, works with fonts and theme but not icons....
[01:39] <Riddell> I don't find 64 too large at all
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is your resolution ?
[01:39] <Riddell> 1024
[01:39] <Tonio_> ah... :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> okay let's keep it like that so.... I was just finding 48 better for visibility anyway
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: any example for icons replacement failing (I don't use ANY gtk app) ?
[01:41] <Riddell> gnome
[01:41] <Riddell> gimp
[01:41] <Riddell> firefox too
[01:42] <Riddell> it might be a compile option for all I know
[01:43] <Tonio_> okay, I'm on this right now, and will send you a new version of k-d-s today with kate sessions configured (although a patch on .desktop is required for everything to work)
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: 	iconTheme = kdeConfigValue("Icons", "Theme", "crystal");
[02:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the problem, that parser function looks in kdeglobals and as far as I can see, the theme is set there anymore
[02:05] <Riddell> curious
[02:06] <Tonio_> yes, but that's what I understand from the sources...
[02:06] <Riddell> well we can patch gtk-qt-engine to have it on by default I guess
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can force th value, ut if a user changes the default theme, that may not use the good one....
[02:06] <Tonio_> I'm searching where is that value set now
[02:07] <Riddell> I think it's just set in the kde code, and only written to file if it's not the default
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: what we can do so is to patch the kdeglobals file in k-d-s
[02:07] <Tonio_> another way to proceed
[02:07] <Tonio_> maybe easier
[02:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: aren't kde environnment options readable via a cpp function ? that could make it very easy to patch
[02:11] <Riddell> yes
[02:11] <Riddell> see the KConfig docs
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay........ I just hope I will understand, as my cpp knowledge is about -50
[02:12] <Tonio_> okay, so let's try to get the value reading the variables instead of parsing
[02:14] <Riddell> _Sime: do you have FOSDEM photos online?
[02:26] <viviersf> Riddell, you know expect ?
[02:27] <Riddell> viviersf: I know of it, never used it
[02:27] <viviersf> :(
[02:37] <viviersf> any1 else here know expect ????
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't find anyway to read the icontheme except what is called a "dirty hack"
[02:45] <Tonio_> so I patched to let the value to "crystalsvg" if the parsing function returns nothing
[02:45] <Tonio_> I think that's clean...
[02:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you change the icons theme it must set that somewhere
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, true
[02:45] <Tonio_> let me check
[02:46] <Riddell> although I don't know if gtk-qt-engine can use KConfig
[02:48] <Tonio_> well if it is set in kdeglobals and if the parser then works, it makes sense to force the value to crystalsvg by default if that's hardcoded on kde no ?
[02:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: the setting is indeed in kdeglobals
[02:50] <Tonio_> but is empty by default if it is crystalsvg
[02:51] <Tonio_> so my idea is to let the parsing function, and if result is empty, then force the value to "crystalsvg", are you fine with that ?
[03:06] <sebas> Riddell: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/krita_1%3a1.4.90-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[03:06] <sebas>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/image/x-raw.desktop', which is also in package digikam
[03:08] <Riddell> sebas: hmm yes, must get that sorted
[03:09] <sebas> Ok, 'twas just so you know :)
[03:09] <Riddell> raw.desktop needs added to KDE really, but the files are slightly different and they need merged
[03:15] <_Sime> Riddell: no, I didn't really take any photos worth fetching from the camera...
[03:16] <Riddell> _Sime: just as a warning I'm currently using a very flattering photo of you in the fosdem dot article :)
[03:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: gtk_qt patched and working
[03:17] <Tonio_> uses by default crystalsvg except if another value is set...
[03:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: just emailing you the patch
[03:49] <Riddell> toma_: ping
[03:49] <Riddell> toma_: what's the best x-raw.desktop file to use?
[03:49] <Riddell> i.e. why does digikam and krita not just use the one in kdelibs?
[03:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you receive the patches ?
[03:54] <Tonio_> cause I have problems with my smtp server today....
[03:55] <Riddell> yes, 1 for gtk and 1 for kdmrc
[03:57] <freeflying> Riddell: i found package in main FBFTS, ten what shall do for it 
[03:57] <freeflying> s/ten/then
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should have another one for kate.desktop
[03:58] <Tonio_> don't you have it ?
[04:00] <freeflying> Riddell: s/FBFTS/FTBFS
[04:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh yes
[04:02] <Riddell> freeflying: fix it and send me the patch?
[04:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, cool
[04:18] <raphink> Riddell: about adept, I think there should be only one entry in the Kmenu
[04:19] <raphink> Riddell: just as it is done in gnome adept-updater could only accessed through adept-notifier, adept_installer as a systemsettings/kcontrol module, and adept in the Kmenu
[04:19] <raphink> that would make things much easier for users
[04:22] <Riddell> had not thought about kcontrol module, interesting, not sure though
[04:23] <seaLne> raphink: i'd agree about the single menu entry, i only worked out a month or so ago that the adept menu entries were different
[04:24] <raphink> seaLne: there are now 4 pieces in the adept puzzle : adept manager, adept-updater, adept-installer and adept-notifier
[04:24] <Riddell> does gnome not have a menu entry for synaptic then?  only gnome-app-install?
[04:24] <raphink> seaLne: only one should appear in the K menu: adept manager
[04:25] <raphink> Riddell: in the application menu is only the gnome-app-install 
[04:25] <seaLne> yeah
[04:25] <raphink> the synaptic entry is in administration
[04:25] <raphink> adept is an advanced feature
[04:25] <raphink> adept-installer should be in systemsettings imo, since this is where people will go for an easy to set interface
[04:25] <Tonio_> I also think that actually, adept-updater and adept-notifier are not of any use in the Kmenu
[04:26] <raphink> Tonio_: that's for sure
[04:26] <raphink> it makes things as complicate with the package menu in Mandriva, with lots of entries 
[04:26] <Tonio_> like on ubuntu, you are prompted when updates are available from the systray
[04:26] <raphink> that just make it hard to understand
[04:26] <Tonio_> and if you want to perform manual updates, Adept can do it quite easilly
[04:27] <Tonio_> so ONE only entry in the system menu is really enought
[04:27] <Tonio_> the notifing+update process has to be transparent to the user as "part of the system"
[04:29] <Tonio_> so I agree with the : Adept in K/System, Adept Installer in SystemSettings, and adept-notifier+adept-updater available from systray but not is the menus, as Adept is enough for manual update
[04:29] <Tonio_> that is in the logic of the kubuntu simplication anyway
[04:30] <Tonio_> raphink: is that tour global feeling ?
[04:31] <Tonio_> s/tour/your/
[04:31] <raphink> yes
[04:31] <raphink> that's the idea
[04:31] <raphink> :)
[04:31] <raphink> so have an "Applications" entry in systemsettings
[04:31] <raphink> :)
[04:32] <raphink> Riddell: what do you think?
[04:32] <Tonio_> seaLne: any opinion ?
[04:33] <Riddell> My current thinking is for Adept installer at the top level in k-menu as "Add/Remove programmes" and Adept in System
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's nice too, yes
[04:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: and about the display=no for adept-updater+adept-notifier ?
[04:34] <raphink> hmm could do
[04:34] <raphink> although not sure adept would fit in systemsettings
[04:34] <raphink> oh you mean in system menu
[04:34] <Riddell> yes
[04:34] <raphink> so you mean having adept installer close to systemsettings in the kmenu right?
[04:35] <Riddell> yes
[04:35] <raphink> could do aswell
[04:35] <Tonio_> that's nice too, I agree
[04:35] <raphink> at least as a first step
[04:35] <raphink> :)
[04:35] <raphink> cause I think having it as kcontrol module would be very nice too :)
[04:35] <raphink> but I agree that having it in the root of the menu is nice and easy
[04:36] <seaLne> or possibly adding clutter
[04:36] <seaLne> but generally probably a good idea
[04:36] <raphink> seaLne: how do you mean?
[04:37] <seaLne> the more things in the root of the menu, arguably the harder to find stuff as its not all categorised
[04:37] <raphink> seaLne: indeed
[04:37] <Riddell> yes
[04:38] <Riddell> that's my worry
[04:39] <seaLne> i appear to now have a settings sub menu contatining Xscreensaver since restarting today
[04:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you remembered that kubuntu-kmenu-side.png needs updating? :)
[04:40] <Riddell> seaLne: curious
[04:41] <Riddell> seaLne: installed any screensavers recently?
[04:41] <seaLne> nope
[04:41] <jpatrick> hello pef 
[04:41] <seaLne> probably never, as i use blank
[04:41] <pef> heya jpatrick 
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: right, will do toonight
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: just changing the version or would you like other changes ?
[04:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: just version is fine, although if there's some other suitable artwork for there that would be interesting
[04:43] <Riddell> I use Kabel for the version numbers
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I'll be done with toonight's version of k-d-s
[04:44] <raphink> Riddell: and how about keeping update-{notifier, updater} only available through kicker?
[04:44] <Riddell> raphink: yes, agreed
[04:44] <raphink> ok :)
[04:45] <seaLne> something that might not be fixable i noticed earlier when logining in is with moodin splash it has the kubuntu background on my left head but the right head loads up showing kicker etc as normal
[04:45] <Tonio_> I agree too
[04:46] <jpatrick> seaLne: what?
[04:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: seaLne uses xinerama
[04:47] <seaLne> dual head, the moodin splash thingy uses the blue background hiding everything on my left (head 0) display but dosen't do anything on the right
[04:47] <Riddell> seaLne: it's probably only fixable by someone with a handy xinerama setup to test on
[04:47] <seaLne> Riddell: actually more complicatedly i don't use xinerama i have to seperate heads
[04:47] <seaLne> s/to/two/
[04:48] <seaLne> 0:0 and 0:1
[04:48] <jpatrick> file a bug?
[04:49] <Riddell> seaLne: right
[04:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: for all the good it would do :)
[04:50] <seaLne> fileing bugs about dual head is pointless judging by my experience so far sadly
[04:52] <seaLne> i presume its a lack of monitors rather than graphics cards
[04:53] <jpatrick> Riddell: can you commit a patch of mine to the doc svn?
[04:53] <Riddell> jpatrick: sure
[04:53] <jpatrick> I'll send it now
[04:53] <Riddell> seaLne: both I'd say
[04:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: kabel isn't a free font...... is there a free version ?
[04:54] <jpatrick> it is free
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: see my kde.org artwork page
[04:54] <Riddell> clipart page rather
[04:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hu ?
[04:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok
[04:55] <Tonio_> jpatrick: all version I can find on fonts websites are paying ;) that's why I though
[04:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: sent
[05:01] <Riddell> jpatrick: I don't see it
[05:01] <jpatrick> hmm, might be lagging...
[05:10] <jpatrick> it is 11.4kb diff
[05:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: logo updated and katerc too, just need to finish with gtk_qt and that'll be good
[05:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you fine with a script entry in startkde finally ?
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that even if it is possible to configure gtk2.0rc, I have to copy gtk_qt_engine_rc with it....
[05:20] <jpatrick> heya jjesse 
[05:21] <jjesse> hiya jpatrick
[05:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, that should be OK
[05:35] <Riddell> jjesse: there's no OEM installer for kubuntu
[05:35] <jjesse> i thought there was an option on the cd?
[05:36] <Riddell> yes, no idea what it does, I should try it one day
[05:36] <jjesse> can it be removed?
[05:36] <Riddell> hopefully
[05:36] <jjesse> flight 4 looks a lot better on my laptop :)
[05:38] <seaLne> anyone know what causes "kio_http: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program" in .xsession-errors?
[05:40] <Riddell> no, I wish I did
[05:42] <Tm_T> seen that too many times while configuring apps
[05:42] <Tm_T> svn stuff
[05:43] <seaLne> tailing .xsession-errors is annoying when there is so much other stuff outputting to it :)
[05:43] <jpatrick> meinproc here
[05:53] <Riddell> can I bounce this jpatrick packagingguide to jjesse?
[05:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: you should ask for access to the docs svn archive
[05:54] <jpatrick> Riddell: did - they said after a while
[05:54] <jjesse> Riddell: it's a slow process to get svn access :(
[05:55] <jpatrick> I'm the only one working on PackGuide apart from LaserJock
[05:55] <jjesse> jpatrick: didn't yous end a diff to the mailing list?
[05:55] <jjesse> i can apply it if you send it to me
[05:55] <jpatrick> jjesse: I sent it to ubuntu-doc - no reply
[05:56] <jjesse> jpatrick: can you send itto me jjesse@iserv.net?
[05:56] <jpatrick> err, Riddell's on that
[05:56] <jjesse> cool got it i'll apply it after lunch
[06:00] <jpatrick> lunch eh? with anyone?
[06:02] <nlindblad> jpatrick: wtf dude
[06:02] <jpatrick> nlindblad: what?
[06:02] <nlindblad> why are you respoding with random stuff?
[06:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: any other KDE things I should add to the Packaging for Kubuntu section?
[06:11] <Riddell> why does digikam and krita not just use the x-raw.desktop file in kdelibs?
[06:11] <Riddell> toma: ^^
[06:11] <Riddell> jpatrick: not that I can think of
[06:12] <alleeHol> Riddell: latest digikam upload in debian removes the desktop file of digikam
[06:12] <alleeHol> Riddell: I'm hunting other digikam bugs no I did create a digikam update for kubuntu
[06:12] <alleeHol> +yet
[06:13] <alleeHol> ditto for krita.  If not already remove, x-raw.desktop should be removed.
[06:13] <Riddell> alleeHol: but the file in digikam has a lot more stuff in it than the one from kdelibs
[06:14] <alleeHol> Riddell: in branch kdelibs has an updated x-raw.desktop.  Sid already has a branchpull that includes it
[06:15] <Riddell> allee: ah hah, thanks
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: just sent you the patch for kdebase/startkde
[06:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: applying..
[06:17] <Tonio_> and about to send you k-d-s with the rc files, kate corrected and the logo with version 6.04 
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: k-d-s sent by email
[06:21] <jpatrick> Riddell: the file usr/lib/kde3/kio_ipodslave.so is in the ipodslave package however usr/lib/kde3/kio_ipodslave.la is in ipodslave-dev, should I repackage? (Closes: Malone #6021)
[06:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: anything I can work toonight ? I'm in a good day and that may not continue all week long ;)
[06:22] <toma> ah allee answered alreasy
[06:22] <Tonio_> allee: I will subscribe to alioth toonight
[06:22] <allee> Tonio_: great!
[06:25] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[06:25] <Riddell> jpatrick: hmm, yes
[06:25] <Riddell> hi LaserJock 
[06:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: bug triage?
[06:26] <nlindblad> jpatrick: what's happening?
[06:26] <jpatrick> nlindblad: bug fixing
[06:26] <nlindblad> I mean with Jabber
[06:27] <allee> Tonio_: e.g. gwenview created black images on rotation.  Quite ugly  bug 
[06:27] <LaserJock> Riddell: I have a questions about the kubuntu docs packaging, do you handle that or does jjesse?
[06:27] <jpatrick> nlindblad: Kopete eats so much memory
[06:28] <nlindblad> jpatrick: but why are you sending random junk all the time?
[06:28] <nlindblad> jpatrick: with random delay between
[06:28] <jpatrick> odd...
[06:28] <nlindblad> jpatrick: like, "It's cold here"
[06:28] <Riddell> LaserJock: I do
[06:29] <nlindblad> "I might go to school this week", "that's where it is"
[06:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: there are problems with the ubuntu-docs and kubuntu-docs debian/copyright. I've been working on ubuntu-docs and pretty much have that done, I was wondering if it would be ok to do that same with kubuntu-docs?
[06:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: what needs done?
[06:31] <LaserJock> Riddell: well the copyright file is totally wrong, it says that everything is GPL when in fact it is FDL/CC-SA, and scripts need to have proper copyrights (GPL)
[06:32] <LaserJock> Riddell: I think I might have gotten all the scripts, but Makefiles need to be changed as well
[06:33] <Riddell> LaserJock: sure, please go ahead
[06:33] <Tonio_> allee: may I ask you something ?
[06:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: "Install kio_ipodslave.la in ipodslave not -dev, it's needed by KDE"
[06:33] <allee> yes
[06:34] <LaserJock> Riddell: ok, thanks. The other thing I wanted to ask is if the Ubuntu Packaging Guide is being shipped with kubuntu-docs? I don't have my kubuntu install on me at the moment.
[06:34] <Tonio_> allee: I saw you uploaded the debian dirs for knetswitch
[06:34] <Tonio_> allee: what is the reason not to upload the full package ?
[06:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes please
[06:34] <allee> brb (got a call)
[06:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: that's what you wrote in the changelog
[06:35] <Tonio_> hum...... gwenview and amarok localization don't work... is it a known problem or do I have to post launchpad bug ?
[06:36] <Riddell> jpatrick: assuming I successfully did that please close the bug entry then :)
[06:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: amarok should be recently fixed
[06:36] <jpatrick> he wants the *.so
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: k
[06:36] <jjesse> jpatrick: LaserJock is applying your patch
[06:37] <jpatrick> I saw that
[06:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you know if gwenview is tarball within .orig packaging?
[06:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: no idea, let me look
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: gwenview_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz, so I assume yes
[06:38] <LaserJock> jpatrick: yeah, sorry about the delay. I didn't get a chance to work on the packaging guide at all this weekend :(
[06:38] <jpatrick> LaserJock: no problem
[06:38] <Riddell> jpatrick: both .so and .la are in ipodslave now
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: why that question ?
[06:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: that was cusing problem with amarok
[06:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: I'm looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=ipodslave-dev&version=dapper&arch=i386
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay
[06:39] <jpatrick> *.la's still there
[06:40] <Tonio_> allee: the blackimages in gwenview isn't a bug, it is a setting
[06:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: it's out of date
[06:40] <Tonio_> allee: in "settings/image view/smoothing"
[06:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok
[06:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: do I fix that to "none", pretty better to me
[06:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: pardon?
[06:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: about the "bug" allee was talking about in gwenview
[06:42] <Tonio_> black images on rotation, but that's not a bug, it is a feature
[06:42] <Riddell> sounds like a strange feature to me
[06:42] <Tonio_> although the renderring is not very nice
[06:43] <Tonio_> you can select the "smoothing" between 2 images
[06:43] <Tonio_> or maybe I'm wrong in my understanding of the problem
[06:43] <Riddell> gwenview's problem is that it puts po files into a directory called translations/ not po/, tsk
[06:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wasn't talking about po files ;) so okay, let me patch that
[06:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: confirmed -> closing
[06:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: the .pot file needs to be in the same place as the .po files
[06:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know......... will be a big patch ;)
[06:45] <Riddell> so need a rule to make it in translations/
[06:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't move translations/ to po/, that's just silly :)
[06:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know
[06:46] <Tonio_> hum, the problem is all files are called "gwenview.po"
[06:47] <Tonio_> each with a makefile........
[06:47] <Tonio_> that's a lot of things to change
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can understand the problem with rosetta, but why aren't the translations working at all ?
[06:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: just change the gettext bit to make the .pot file in translations/
[06:48] <Riddell> that's all that needs done
[06:48] <Tonio_> k
[06:49] <Riddell> translations aren't working because .pot is being made elsewhere, this confuses the scripts that makes the language packs and so they aren't including the gwenview .po files in the language packs
[06:49] <Riddell> (I'm guessing)
[06:50] <Tonio_> okay, let's test
[06:55] <allee> Tonio_: gwenview feature?  This violates least-surprise big time :(  At least I'm very surprised :)
[06:57] <Tonio_> allee: are you talking about the black screen we can se while rotating images in fullscreen mode ?
[06:57] <allee> Tonio_: about alioth svn.  When I started I was told to not upload tarballs.  That at least for kdelibs, kdebase .. it makes sensible.
[06:57] <Tonio_> allee: okay
[06:58] <allee> Tonio_: svn I tried privately to use tarballs too.  But renamed/missing/added files makes import a challange
[06:59] <allee> Tonio_: So I now a fan of only debian/ too even for small tarballs
[06:59] <Tonio_> ok
[07:00] <allee> Tonio_: svn-buildpackage can handly .diff.gz with changes outside debian/ too, but I'm so use to remove everything and checkout debian again.
[07:01] <allee> Tonio_: diff.gz containing only stuff below debian/ is just easy handle.
[07:03] <allee> Tonio_:  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gwenview/+bug/29627
[07:03] <Tonio_> k
[07:04] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhh, rotation has 2 meanings in french, I made the confusion ;)
[07:04] <allee> :)
[07:06] <Tonio_> indeed that's a bad bug........
[07:07] <Riddell> what's the other meaning?
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: "rotation" can be used to talk about the fact to go from one image to another talking about a diaporama for example
[07:08] <Riddell> diaporama?
[07:08] <Tonio_> hum, don't know the english term for this ;)
[07:08] <Riddell> un truc
[07:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: assume you use it in fullscreen and browse images, you can talk about "la rotation des images"
[07:09] <LaserJock> as long as it doesn't have anything to do with diapers ;-)
[07:10] <klugez> diashow?
[07:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: right, I understand
[07:10] <Riddell> a complete slide show
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: exactly, yes :)
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: you didn't include the startkde patch in kdebase ?
[07:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's in ubuntu11 not ubuntu10
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ahhhhhh ok, sorry ;)
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry but I'm lost in gwenview sources..... pot files is something I don't understand quite much
[07:13] <allee> Tonio_: (k)network is not in dapper.  Will NEW queue pkgs still enter dapper when processed, or are there special actions now necessary?
[07:14] <Tonio_> knetswitch ?
[07:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: see the line in kde.mk for gettext?  add one to debian/rules in gwenview to generate it in the translations/ directory
[07:14] <Riddell> and probably need to rm the one in the po/ directory
[07:14] <Tonio_> well I assume we have to wait for elmo now.... it can take a few days sometime
[07:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ok, thanks ;)
[07:15] <Tonio_> it was so simple......
[07:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't I simply modify debian/cdbs/kde.mk directly and explain that in the changelog ?
[07:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, if it uses a local kde.mk and not a cdbs one
[07:18] <Riddell> that's the best option I'd say
[07:18] <Tonio_> it is, but calls cvs.sh, no reference to po/ there....
[07:18] <Tonio_> I have top patch cvs.sh probably
[07:18] <Tonio_> s/top/to
[07:18] <Riddell> hmm, probably
[07:25] <nlindblad> what library should I install for C/C++ development?
[07:26] <Riddell> nlindblad: build-essential
[07:26] <nlindblad> thanks Riddell
[07:28] <_Sime> how can I unmark a bug as a dupe on launchpad?
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: something to fix to : audio files association...
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is set to keffeine by default because kaffeine installs after amarok... I have to fix that in k-d-s if you are okay
[07:36] <Tonio_> should be amarok logically
[07:36] <Riddell> _Sime: which bug number?
[07:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: seems sensible
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[07:37] <_Sime> 32945
[07:37] <_Sime> is not a dupe of the other one.
[07:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, I agree with you 
[07:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll make tests and we'll see :)
[07:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: amarok is still in english on my two machines, fyi...
[07:38] <Riddell> _Sime: "Mark as Duplicate" then just remove the number in the box there
[07:38] <Riddell> (first time I've done that)
[07:39] <_Sime> ok, that worked although it was totally non-obvious.
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: gwenview patch works, I'm sending it to you by email :)
[07:39] <_Sime> I thought I was adding an extra dupe bug to the report...
[07:40] <Tonio_> what a good day ^_^
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: mail is gone, going back home, seya
[08:00] <sebas> Riddell: In which package can I find the documentation for kdissert?
[08:00] <jpatrick> kdissert package?
[08:00] <sebas> That's installed, but khelpcenter says there's no documentation.
[08:00] <nlindblad> how can you write a string to the socket (C)?
[08:04] <Riddell> sebas: looks like scons is confusing the build system./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdissert/index.docbook -> /build/buildd/kdissert-1.0.5.debian/doc/en/index.docbook
[08:04] <Riddell> nlindblad: what sort of socket?
[08:05] <Riddell> _Sime: report a bug on the launchpad product
[08:05] <nlindblad> Riddell: a TCP one
[08:06] <nlindblad> I can send something, but it shows up weird in the client
[08:06] <Riddell> you'd need to ask on a C channel (or look up the appropriate man page)
[08:06] <Riddell> personally I'd just use a QSocket :)
[08:07] <Riddell> hmm, someone wants to sponsor shipit for kubuntu
[08:07] <nlindblad> big costs?
[08:08] <Riddell> yes
[08:09] <Riddell> but since we should have shipit for dapper anyway, I'm not sure what to say to him
[08:09] <jpatrick> "Thank you very much, but we'll have Kubuntu CDs in Dapper"
[08:11] <Riddell> well if he's offering money there must be something we can do with it
[08:12] <jpatrick> forward to KDE
[08:12] <jpatrick> Oxfam
[08:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: part of the money from the shirts is coming to the team too
[08:17] <Riddell> which shirts?
[08:17] <jpatrick> Kubuntu ones
[08:17] <Riddell> which team?
[08:17] <jpatrick> Kubuntu team
[08:17] <Riddell> where are these shirts?
[08:17] <jpatrick> been designed still
[08:18] <Riddell> have I heard of this?
[08:18] <jpatrick> I told you a while ago
[08:18] <Riddell> I've no memory of it, I must be going mad
[08:18] <sebas> Riddell: Which means?
[08:18] <Riddell> who's designing them?
[08:18] <sebas> Is that being fixed?
[08:19] <jpatrick> Killermundi
[08:19] <Riddell> sebas: the package is from debian so it's not being current fixed by us, either poke the debian packager to fix it or poke a random packager around here to fix it (tonio seems to be having a good day)
[08:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: don't think I've seen that nick
[08:20] <jpatrick> it's a company
[08:20] <Riddell> ah
[08:20] <sebas> Riddell: Ok :)
[08:25] <jpatrick> http://killermundi.org/
[08:27] <Riddell> looks quite violent
[08:32] <jpatrick> they have KDE shirts
[08:43] <sebas> Yeah, apart from the name, they seem nice.
[08:47] <Tonio_> re
[08:47] <Riddell> ah Tonio_, sebas had a request for you
[08:47] <jpatrick> heya Tonio_ 
[08:48] <Tonio_> jpatrick:  :)
[08:48] <Tonio_> sebas: I'm listening to you :)
[08:49] <jpatrick> sebas: I think Riddell refered to the daggers
[08:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you receive the gwenview patch ? sorry for disturbing, but my ISP really has problems with it's smtp server.......
[08:50] <sebas> Tonio_: kdissert misses the docbook, if you've a little time :-)
[08:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: in my inbox, will look at soon
[08:51] <Tonio_> sebas, will have a look toonight after trying to fix that localisation for amarok ;)
[08:52] <ingwa> Riddell: Great presentation!  (just read it)
[08:53] <Riddell> hi ingwa
[08:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: amarok should be in the new langpacks, or maybe it's waiting on pitti to upload but he did confirm it was fixed
[08:54] <ingwa> Riddell: I just have a question: What is CKJ?  It's mentioned twice
[08:56] <Lure> ChinaKoreaJapan?
[08:56] <ingwa> Lure: Thanks
[08:57] <sebas> Tonio_: Great!
[08:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ok, I'll wait then
[08:59] <Tonio_> sebas looking a kdissert
[09:02] <Tonio_> sebas: do you think we can for an exception for a manpage only ?
[09:02] <Tonio_> sebas: arf, sorry, I wasn't concentrated ;) lol
[09:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's the docbook that's broken, look at the contents of the .deb
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but when I'm drinking my coffee, my brain is shutdown :)
[09:05] <sebas> :)
[09:07] <Tonio_> sebas, indeed, index.docbook is a simlink.........
[09:07] <Tonio_> ok let's go :)
[09:13] <kmon> hi
[09:22] <Tonio_> sebas: strange issue.........; there is only one ln-s entry in the sources and that doesn't touch index.docbook
[09:22] <Tonio_> very strange.........;
[09:22] <hermanr_> Are there legitimate usecases for a kubuntu system with no loopback network device (lo = 127.0.0.1) ?
[09:23] <Riddell> hermanr_: I would guess that would break things
[09:23] <hermanr_> I _know_ missing lo breaks things. ;-)
[09:24] <hermanr_> And app developers are likely to give you a funny look if you suggest that they should fail more gracefully if lo is missing.
[09:25] <hermanr_> As in "lo should never be missing!"
[09:26] <LaserJock> hermanr_: there was a bug a while back (maybe it still is) were network devices weren't activated at startup
[09:26] <hermanr_> mm
[09:26] <LaserJock> I don't think it was intentional, if that is what you were asking
[09:27] <hermanr_> Another (icky) one: Not adding the user-specified hostname to /etc/hosts...
[09:27] <hermanr_> ...so that kubuntu can't resolve itself.
[09:27] <hermanr_> That makes sudo fail.
[09:27] <hermanr_> Recovery mode required to fix it.  Rather showstopperish to a noob.
[09:28] <Riddell> hermanr_: what did you install from?
[09:28] <hermanr_> A kubuntu CD
[09:28] <LaserJock> yeah, I was just going to ask that
[09:29] <hermanr_> A pressed one, not a burned one.
[09:29] <LaserJock> Breezy (5.10)?
[09:29] <hermanr_> Yes.
[09:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: can you make a TB meeting tomorrow 20:00 UTC?
[09:30] <Riddell> LaserJock: should think so, what's happening?
[09:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: I'm up for MOTU, deferred from last meeting
[09:30] <Riddell> hermanr_: it's a broken install, could be a defective CD, could have been bad luck
[09:30] <LaserJock> Riddell: you uploaded my first package from scratch (plotdrop) on REVU
[09:31] <Riddell> LaserJock: where's your wiki page?
[09:31] <LaserJock> Riddell: wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha
[09:33] <hermanr_> Yep, the installer had more than a couple of quirks...  I don't get to test it very often.
[09:34] <Riddell> LaserJock: nice wiki page
[09:35] <Riddell> LaserJock: who uploaded your packages to debian?
[09:36] <LaserJock> Riddell: ChrisH and azeem
[09:37] <Riddell> groovy
[09:38] <LaserJock> Riddell: anyway, at the last TB meeting I had forgotten that you uploaded plotdrop to Universe so I though I'd ask if you could say something.
[09:38] <Riddell> sure
[09:38] <Riddell> although it's only 1 package, they'll probably want more
[09:38] <LaserJock> sure, but anything helps
[09:39] <LaserJock> crimsun did most of my uploads and I think he is going to be there or at least send something, and I got sistpoty and dholbach to do a couple of bug uploads
[10:50] <Tonio_> sebas: sorry, but 2 hours searching and I don't understand..........
[10:50] <Tonio_> I have read the full build output
[10:51] <Tonio_> exactly the same thing is done for index.docbook and index.cache.bz2
[10:51] <Tonio_> same output
[10:51] <Tonio_> I read the full source code and there is absolutly no ln -s function regarde to docfiles..........
[10:52] <Tonio_> and I have a simlink in the deb........... quite amazing.........;
[10:52] <Tonio_> Install file: "build/doc/en/index.docbook" as "debian/kdissert/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdissert/index.docbook"
[10:53] <Tonio_> Install file: "build/doc/en/index.cache.bz2" as "debian/kdissert/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdissert/index.cache.bz2"
[10:53] <Tonio_> I don't see any difference
[10:53] <Tonio_> bz2 file is in the deb and not the .docbook
[11:16] <allee> Tonio_: check make install line of codeine. I remember some make install problems to add as used in codeine rules install dir was fixed
[11:16] <Tonio_> allee: looking
[11:17] <allee> Tonio_: DESTDIR=$(DEB_DESTDIR) $(SCONS_CMD) install
[11:28] <Tonio_> allee: it was aldready using this
[11:29] <Tonio_> but I'm trying something else
[11:29] <Tonio_> that's a nightmare ^^
[11:35] <Tonio_> allee: nope, doesn't work.......... it fails even with a debuild, outside of pbuilder
[11:35] <Tonio_> I assume the kde.py is buggy
[11:35] <Tonio_> here here the comment of upstream about the kdedoc procedure :
[11:36] <allee> Tonio_: do you use scons or the (include?) scons-mini?
[11:36] <Tonio_> 	## This function uses env imported above - WARNING ugly code, i will have to rewrite (ITA)
[11:36] <Tonio_> 	def docfolder(lenv, folder, lang, destination=""):
[11:36] <Tonio_> allee: nope, I use scons directly, like with kleansweep or codeine
[11:37] <allee> Tonio_: which package?  (maybe after trying gnudatalanguage there some time left ...)
[11:37] <Tonio_> kdissert
[11:38] <allee> 'k
[11:38] <Tonio_> maybe the solution is very simple, but I miss it........
[11:38] <Tonio_> I'm pasting you the content of the deb that is causing an issue 
[11:39] <Tonio_> allee: http://pastebin.com/575708
[11:39] <Tonio_> here it is, simlinks on docs.....
[11:40] <allee> Tonio_: building ...