=== j_ack [n=nico@p508D848E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ispiked_ [n=ispiked@Lee-11-133.rh.ncsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D848E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:29] what the crap? git-unpack-objects says it is unpacking 187,127 objects.... only it doesn't.... the objects aren't there [05:30] shouldn't git-unpack-objects < .git/objects/pack/pack-xxxx.pack undo a git-repack? === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:51] if there is a driver that I want to see get into Ubuntu, how do I make that request? do I open a bug on Malone? [05:53] if the driver is in the linux kernel, it should be in ubuntu already [05:53] it isn't [05:54] it isn't in the stock kernel or it isn't built into the ubuntu build? [05:55] I don't think it's in either. it's for Logitech Quickcam Communicate. I don't think it works with the `quickcam` module, and I did some searching, and I found http://home.mag.cx/messenger/ which has another driver [05:56] unless I'm a moron and can't figure it out for myself. [05:56] if it isn't in the stock kernel, it won't go into ubuntu AFAIK [05:56] well there is a big list of add-on drivers in the kernel source tree, in the debian folder [05:57] hrm.... interesting.... [05:57] podxtpro is one of them that I can recall, and I don't think it's in a stock kernel === psusi needs to figure out how to compare the ubuntu kernel git tree with linus's to see what's different [05:58] it is open source right? [05:59] yes, well, it looks like it's based on the qce code. I am going to look more into it, because I am not sure why it looks like the same stuff as the standard quickcam module.. modinfo quickcam doesn't show an alias for my vendor+device ID that I get from lsusb though === psusi kicks git-unpack-objects [06:04] hrmm. that's not good. it makes a module called `quickcam` [07:53] kernel bugs should be assigned to kernel-source-$version or ? [07:54] linux [07:54] afaik [07:54] otherwise linux-source-$version [07:56] yeah, linux worked. It kinda sucks that the "choose" dialog just gives you some semi-random ordering rather than anything sensible. === Keybuk [n=scott@c51008D91.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-134-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F952F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:09] hi everyone [11:09] hi [11:10] just noticed there is no "build" simlink in /lib/modules/2.6.15-16-386 with linux-headers version 2.6.15-16-386 [11:10] the resulting is about al kernel modules compilations are failing... is that normal ? [11:12] i have the same problem too [11:12] i have installed the ......-686 Kernel. And all works fine [11:12] hum, probematic :) [11:12] *g* [11:12] s/b/bl [11:13] why is this problematic? [11:14] well much people will install directly there uname -r linux header versions [11:18] yes thats right.. [11:19] let's wait.. [11:19] the maintainers are sleeping ;-) [11:19] -are === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Konversation] === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F952F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-134-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === CataEnry [n=Enrico@host83-39.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ispiked_ [n=ispiked@Lee-11-133.rh.ncsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === CataEnry [n=Enrico@host83-39.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:31] BenC: ping? [02:32] hmm it's a bit early... [02:33] BenC: please pull from my tree and push to kernel org. [02:33] Changes: [02:33] More SUN4V love and fixed a few problems on old sparc hw [02:33] * Update redhat cluster suite to CVS20060222. [02:33] * Stop spca5xx to redefine PUD_SHIFT that's arch specific mem management. [02:33] * Import OCFS2 and configfs bug fixes from 2.6.16-rc5. This commit must be [02:33] reverted before we will sync 2.6.16 directly from git or they will [02:33] conflict badly. [02:34] if you can also push to kernel.org it would be lovely [02:34] i also checked the git purge stuff [02:34] it works just fine [02:34] it basically removes from the tree al unrequired objects [02:34] making the tree WAYYY smaller [02:35] i meant.. git prine [02:35] ARGH [02:35] GIT PRUNE <- [02:35] ^^^^^ [02:35] that one === CataEnry [n=Enrico@host83-39.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-114-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:59] fabbione: getting it in just a minute === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:05] BenC: cool [04:06] git-pruned the kernel.org and people repo's, finishing the repack on people right now [04:12] nice [04:21] git-repack needs to be done before git-prune (/me makes a note) [04:21] have to run prune after repack anyway [04:26] ok [04:31] ok, both repo's done, and my local repo is nice and tidy :) [04:31] BenC: if you did pull/push i will be glad to trash my local one and clone again... [04:31] I've got it, so yeah, go ahead and ditch your local repo [04:32] push in progress === fabbione frees up a few tons of GB [04:33] BenC: note that the OCFS2 update has not been done via git-cherry [04:33] we will need to revert that commit before we sync 2.6.16 [04:33] it was way too complicate to do it with cherry [04:36] ok [04:36] nice.. pack rsyncing here :) [04:36] much much better :) === desrt pokes BenC [04:38] turns out my firewire woes are fixed by a patch that you personally signed off on for inclusion upstream :) [04:39] desrt: really? :) [04:39] point me to it, and I'll include it [04:39] BenC; i've been annoying the heck out of you on launchpad :p [04:39] is it Al Viro's patch? [04:40] BenC; it seems like launchpad reduces the effectiveness of communication by a good 80% [04:40] my bug emails are backlogged, so I guess I'll get to it soon [04:40] fwiw, this one: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/28174 [04:41] it's "from the scsi maintainers" [04:41] ok === cjb [n=cjb@islay.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === davyd_ [n=davyd@cugglephone.madeley.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:12] ok [05:12] on #30557 [05:12] at the moment, on 2.6.15-16 [05:12] when my machine boots up, it is putting itself into C2 [05:13] and the idle counter goes whack, and it clocks the CPU up [05:13] if I force the machine into C1, the idle counter starts working [05:13] but my CPU can't idle properly [05:14] davyd_: what CPU type is this? [05:15] Pentium < [05:15] M [05:15] on the i915 chipset [05:15] incidently, and possibly related to this, is that my laptop is running very warm [05:15] which cpufreq module is being used? [05:15] and the fan isn't engaging [05:15] (it hard locked once because of this) [05:15] BenC: userspace [05:16] you're not using speedstep or anything? [05:16] powernowd uses a kernel module [05:16] oh, right, let me look [05:16] where is that kept now, it is no longer in proc [05:16] lsmod | grep cpu [05:17] speedstep_centrino [05:17] but yeah, it counts idle ticks properly in C1, but not C2, never seems to go into C3 [05:17] the fan is also not engaging reliably [05:18] my machine was at 64C [05:18] since my options were C1 or dodgy idle times causing the CPU to clock up [05:18] was there a prior 2.6.15 kernel that worked ok? [05:19] the fan trip would appear to be 114C [05:19] (as a result the machine hard locked) [05:19] BenC: I've not have a lot of success with Ubuntu 2.6.15 [05:19] 2.6.12 worked perfectly [05:19] what was the first 2.6.15 kernel you used? [05:19] I didn't personally try, but someone said Debian 2.6.15 was working on this [05:19] but that doesn't help me much :) [05:20] two secs [05:20] the first 2.6.15 I have installed is -15 [05:20] trying to find out if there was a point where this went bad with our kernel [05:20] I only upgraded this machine to dapper about a fortnight ago [05:20] ok, so you've only used very recent ones [05:20] any chance of you trying flight 1/2/3 liveCD's to see if they fix anything? [05:20] someone with an ASUS has had this problem forever [05:21] I assume you are using the -686 kernel, have you tested the -386 kernel? [05:21] I haven't tested -386, I can [05:21] yeah, that would help a little [05:22] interestingly, forcing C1 seems to stop cpufreq from working, scrollkeeper update didn't clock my CPU up from 600Mhz [05:22] ok, I'm installing linux-image-2.6.15-16-386 === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:31] ok, testing -386, back in a bit === davyd [n=davyd@cugglephone.madeley.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:38] BenC: positive results with -386 [05:39] machine has put itself into C3 [05:39] getting 100 idle ticks/s (~) [05:39] cpufreq is clocking up and down as required [05:39] fan cut in and out to cool the machine down [05:41] sky2 still seems busted though :-( [05:41] ok, so we have an SMP issue [05:41] the 686 kernel is compiled with SMP support, it's really the only difference from the 686 kernel [05:41] 386 kernel [05:45] Please annotate the bug about this...I would stick with the 386 version (it's really not a performance hit as most people would think) [05:45] the 686 kernel can see more than 900M of RAM [05:46] so can 386 [05:46] no it can't [05:46] unless I missed something new [05:46] 386 kernel has highmem [05:46] in Dapper? [05:46] yes [05:46] but not breezy [05:47] we aren't talking about breezy :) [05:47] ok just making sure [05:47] I know the 386 has never had highmem before [05:50] hmm, on the network front sk98lin is also dysfunctional [05:50] have you had any reports on ethernet usefulness with dapper and the R200? [05:50] (you can tell I use wireless all the time, but that I perhaps forgot to install the -restricted package) [05:51] not that I recall [05:52] ok, I just booted into Windows to check the hardware was actually working [05:53] sky2 gives me an interface, but does no link detection or dhcp [05:53] sk98lin, which used to work, doesn't even give me an interface [05:53] I suppose I should file this as a separate issue [05:53] yeah, I probably need to update the sky2 driver === bluefoxicy holy craps at all the patches in -mm [06:08] ok, -386 seems sane [06:08] do you want me to file on sky2? [06:15] I marked it on my todo, so no need [06:17] ok [06:17] thanks for your help [06:20] no, thanks for checking in [06:20] hopefully I'll get this squared away for you [06:22] no probs === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["leaving..] === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D9DEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:53] mjg59: ping === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === psusi [i=hidden-u@iriserv.iradimed.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:26] psusi: the via dri in 2.6.15 seems horridly broken, do any of the devs have via chipsets, or do you know if it's part of mainline? [09:26] if it's part of mainline I'll hit the lkml with the bug. [09:27] via dri? I have a via chipset, but my video card is an ati radeon 9800 pro [09:27] my via chipset has a via video adaptor in its north bridge [09:27] ewww.... don't use it... integrated video sucks ;) [09:28] I have a VIA EPIA, I can try that some time [09:28] it robs memory space and time from the cpu [09:28] 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) [09:28] psusi: I don't need heavy video [09:28] I'm running VESA right now, and if I play any animated videos the CPU hits 100% and they lag and X drags and shit. [09:28] bluefoxicy: that's fine... it's still slowing down processing because of the stollen memory cycles [09:29] that doesn't sound like a kernel issue [09:29] what exactly does "horrbily broken" mean? [09:29] with the Via driver, I can actually seek back and forth while playing videos, and I get decent GLX gears performance, and the CPU usage is lower. [09:29] My VIA EPIA M10k dies completely in windows if I startup any opengl apps :) [09:29] psusi: um, well, if I use the via driver in X [09:29] my kernel oopses several times [09:30] and somewhere between an hour and 5 hours in I get a hard freeze (kernel level memory corruption?) [09:30] ah, that's a different story :) [09:30] oopsesses are not good ;) [09:30] yeah, dem oopsses is bad tings [09:31] at first I thought it was because of rhythmbox so I filed a bug against rhythmbox, then i changed the bug saying it was video related, and worked down :) [09:31] (I thought it was rhythmbox because it seemed playing shit in rhythmbox made my kernel freeze in about 5 minutes) === psusi wishes there was something like Soft Ice for the linux kernel [09:31] kernel freezes are always the kernels fault [09:32] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/29586 [09:32] just because it happened when app Foo was running, doesn't make it the apps fault [09:32] reassign to linux-source-2.6.15 [09:32] yeah [09:32] don't create a new target, just rename the old one [09:32] It's targeted at kernel [09:33] also when 2.6.16 is out will there be a universe package for it? ^o.o^ [09:35] no [09:40] bluefoxicy: target it at "linux-source-2.6.15", else I will never see it [09:43] BenC: what's the priority === bluefoxicy already marked it as critical severity. . . kernel bug. . . . . [09:44] Major [09:44] priority low med high? [09:44] Is it a regression from breezy, or did 2.6.12 work ok? [09:44] Back in the day of 2.6.12 there wasn't even a driver IIRC [09:44] I KNOW there was no X driver in breezy [09:47] well, if it's not a regression, and there exists a workaround, and it affects few people (this is the first I have heard of it), then mark it Normal, High [10:11] reassigned [10:43] BenC: I got 2.6.15-16-686 and it still won't boot a UML kernel. [10:50] was that related to the 1G/3G change? [10:50] right now it's 2G/2G [10:51] might be; I'll try and boot one of my own kernels for a change and see what they do with a 2/2 split [11:21] BenC: Hi === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-kernel