[12:08] <herzi> ogra: ping
[12:09] <herzi> ogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gartoon/+bug/32995
[12:09] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32995 in gartoon "Trash display is broken" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[12:09] <ajmitch_> morning
[12:09] <herzi> hey ajmitch_
[12:10] <LaserJock> hi all
[12:13] <fredix> hi
[12:16] <fredix> there is a bug in a debian package that is not fixed. Does should we wait for a fixe in debian, or can we do an ubuntu package ?
[12:19] <LaserJock> fredix: do you have a patch?
[12:21] <fredix> LaserJock: http://librarian.launchpad.net/1208465/libgtk-trayicon-ruby_0.1.0-3%2Bdebianfix337395.debdiff
[12:22] <fredix> LaserJock: Lucas Nussbaum did it
[12:23] <LaserJock> fredix: what is the bug # ?
[12:23] <fredix> LaserJock: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337395
[12:23] <Ubugtu> debian bug 337395 in libgtk-trayicon-ruby "FTBFS: Tries to install outside build directory" [<em,Fixed] 
[12:23] <fredix> LaserJock: it seems that it's fixed, but not integrated into debian sid ....
[12:24] <LaserJock> fredix: umm, all the bugs I found were closed
[12:24] <fredix> LaserJock: maybe, but this bug is always here into dapper ...
[12:25] <fredix> LaserJock: I suggest to apply the debian patch : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/gtk-trayicon-deb.patch?bug=352277;msg=5;att=1
[12:27] <LaserJock> fredix: ok, so it looks like the bug is a FTBFS but it builds in Dapper so ...
[12:28] <fredix> LaserJock: so what ?
[12:28] <LaserJock> Well if it is a FTBFS bug and it builds then I would think the bug has been fixed
[12:28] <LaserJock> or is there another problem
[12:28] <fredix> it's not fixed
[12:29] <fredix> I see this bug into dapper
[12:29] <LaserJock> fredix: ok, well it built ok on all arch according to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libgtk-trayicon-ruby/0.1.0-4
[12:30] <fredix> LaserJock: the problem is not the build, the problem is the bad path
[12:31] <fredix> LaserJock: /usr/lib/ruby/usr/local/lib
[12:31] <LaserJock> fredix: ok, so then it is not a FTBFS but another issue.
[12:31] <LaserJock> that is what I was trying to get at
[12:33] <LaserJock> fredix: that is a pretty easy patch so I would just open a bug in Malone and attach that debdiff.
[12:33] <fredix> LaserJock: ok, thanks
[12:36] <ajmitch_> hi LaserJock
[12:36] <LaserJock> fredix: that debdiff is for a previous version though, it might be nice to have one for the current dapper version
[12:36] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch_
[12:37] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: do you have time to look at a simple patch? http://librarian.launchpad.net/1208465/libgtk-trayicon-ruby_0.1.0-3%2Bdebianfix337395.debdiff
[12:37] <LaserJock> or are you unable to upload over in .au?
[12:37] <ajmitch_> I can, but I'm working
[12:37] <ajmitch_> and I like to test things
[12:38] <LaserJock> fine
[12:38] <fredix> LaserJock: I don't know how doing a current debdiff
[12:39] <LaserJock> fredix: I'll do it if you report the bug, ok? ;-)
[12:40] <fredix> LaserJock: ok, I'll try to do a comprehensible english :)
[12:41] <LaserJock> fredix: no problem, just give me the bug # when you're done
[12:41] <fredix> LaserJock: I do it now
[12:53] <fredix> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/libgtk-trayicon-ruby/+bug/33000
[12:53] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33000 in libgtk-trayicon-ruby libgtk-trayicon-ruby1.8 "Package places libs in incorrect directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[12:54] <LaserJock> fredix: k
[12:54] <fredix> LaserJock: heavy copied from the debian report ...
[12:59] <LaserJock> fredix: yikes, that is bad. I wonder why the Debian maintainer hasn't fixed this
[01:01] <fredix> LaserJock: sure but I can't wait him
[01:03] <fredix> LaserJock: I want that my app works fine under dapper
[01:03] <LaserJock> understandable for sure, we'll get it fixed ;-)
[01:04] <fredix> LaserJock: thanks a lot ;)
[01:11] <LaserJock> fredix: actually, the Debian maintainer just didn't apply Lucas' patch right :(
[01:12] <fredix> LaserJock: in fact I suspected it
[01:13] <fredix> LaserJock: damog is not interested much any more in ruby-gnome2 ...
[01:13] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:14] <crimsun> 'lo sistpoty
[01:16] <LaserJock> can I get one of you two to upload a bug fix for me in a sec?
[01:17] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sure
[01:17] <sistpoty> LaserJock: have a debdiff at hand?
[01:17] <LaserJock> sistpoty: working on it :-)
[01:17] <sistpoty> :)
[01:17] <sistpoty> LaserJock: just ping me, when you're done ;)
[01:19] <LaserJock> great thanks. just gotta run it through pbuilder
[01:25] <LaserJock> fredix: actually, I don't think the patch is right either
[01:29] <fredix> LaserJock: maybe I should make it ?
[01:30] <LaserJock> fredix: it's ok, I think I can fix it. it just wants to install to /usr/local/
[01:30] <fredix> LaserJock: great
[01:30] <crimsun> (bad!)
[01:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: it was worse!
[01:31] <crimsun> oh my. :)
[01:31] <LaserJock> it was doing /usr/lib/ruby/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/
[01:32] <crimsun> stabbity.
[01:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: and that is after the Debian maintainer "fixed" it
[01:36] <fredix> bye
[01:50] <LaserJock> hmm, it does it make sense to call $DESTDIR in debian/rules if it isn't in the Makefile?
[01:50] <LaserJock> s/it does it/does it/
[01:53] <crimsun> if you mean "pass it to $(MAKE)", then sure
[01:55] <ajmitch_> if the makefile is going to ignore DESTDIR, it won't help much
[01:56] <ajmitch_> and so you can end up with builds doing bad & nasty things
[01:57] <LaserJock> yeah, that is what I'm finding
[01:58] <crimsun> that's some nasty junk, then
[01:59] <crimsun> 'morning, ajmitch_
[02:00] <LaserJock> hmm, I guess lucus just thought it would work
[02:01] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: what's the right way if I want to take over an ITP? I already wrote the itp-holder a mail, but didn't get an answer yet (270405)
[02:06] <LaserJock> sistpoty: do you need to email qa or something?
[02:06] <sistpoty> LaserJock: hm?
[02:07] <LaserJock> sistpoty: to take over an ITP, don't you email qa for MIA maintainers? I don't know. I just threw something out.
[02:09] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I'm not quite sure if he's actually MIA... (and before calling qa, I want to make sure that I did all the other parts right ;)
[02:09] <LaserJock> sure
[02:10] <LaserJock> how long has the ITP been out?
[02:11] <sistpoty> sep 2004
[02:11] <LaserJock> yikes
[02:18] <g14> How do you make a debian package from the apt-gettable source after you've changed debian/rules compile options?
[02:18] <g14> Something like the rpmbuild --bb command
[02:18] <g14> I'm new to the debian way of things
[02:22] <sistpoty> g14: in short: make -f debian/rules binary or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot...
[02:23] <g14> sistpoty: you rock. thanks
[02:23] <sistpoty> g14 no problem... the debian new maintainer guide might be interesting if you want to go a little more in depth ;)
[02:24] <g14> well I don't think the ubuntu compiz package is compiled with libsrvg support so the svg top and bottom don't work in the cube workspace switcher
[02:24] <g14> That is something simple that I want to fix
[02:24] <marcin`> hello MOTUs
[02:24] <marcin`> got a problem
[02:24] <sistpoty> hi marcin`
[02:25] <LaserJock> hi marcin`
[02:25] <marcin`> I cannot build backage with pbuilder because it fails to fetch some packages
[02:25] <marcin`> it says that 'Failed to fetch http://...........'
[02:25] <LaserJock> did you update your pbuilder?
[02:26] <marcin`> LaserJock: no, how?
[02:26] <LaserJock> pbuilder update ;-)
[02:26] <marcin`> aaah
[02:26] <marcin`> LaserJock: ok running
[02:27] <crimsun> (you should be updating your pbuilder at least daily)
[02:28] <tseng> should really make a hook to update pbuilder on every run
[02:28] <tseng> but im not that motivated
[02:47] <LaserJock> hmm, if you give a variable to a Makefile does that override hard coded variables?
[02:53] <sistpoty> LaserJock: only if in the makefile there is s.th. like FOO ?= bar
[02:54] <LaserJock> sistpoty: so if it is FOO = bar then you can't change it other than changing the Makefile?
[02:54] <sistpoty> LaserJock: exactly
[02:55] <LaserJock> darn
[02:57] <LaserJock> this package has /usr/local in several places in the Makefile but unforunately the Makefile is generated at build time
[02:59] <LaserJock> so I'm not sure exactly how to change the paths
[02:59] <LaserJock> can you pass xmkmf options?
[03:02] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sorry, no experience with xmkmf...
[03:08] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[03:09] <LaserJock> cya sistpoty
[03:37] <psusi> well so far git seems like an interesting scm...
[03:57] <LaserJock> psusi: scm?
[04:01] <psusi> source configuration management
[04:02] <psusi> first I used cvs... then svn... now I'm learning git
[04:03] <psusi> because it's what the linux kernel uses
[04:13] <LaserJock> psusi: I'm used to them being called rcs (revision control systems)
[04:15] <psusi> that too
[04:15] <LaserJock> psusi: have you tried bzr yet?
[04:15] <ajmitch_> psusi: around these parts bzr is popular :)
[04:15] <psusi> no, not tried that one yet
[04:16] <LaserJock> I use bzr and svn, I like both of them
[04:18] <psusi> what are the main ways that bzr differs from svn?
[04:18] <LaserJock> for me it is great for local stuff. I don't need a repo
[04:19] <LaserJock> and you don't have .svn in every directory
[04:19] <LaserJock> but I'm just a basic user
[04:19] <psusi> those are things I like so far about git... no central repo and only one .git directory in the root
[04:20] <LaserJock> yeah, I think there are similarities
[04:21] <Kyral> Jeez....how much mail have I accumulated...
[04:21] <psusi> Kyral, my lkml maildir now has 20,936 messages in it... and that's just since Jan 1 ;)
[04:22] <Kyral> Subscribed to the Kernel-Dev ML are we?
[04:22] <Kyral> lkml lol I guess you are lol
[04:22] <psusi> actually, I'm not... I made a 10 line shell script to fetch messages from lkml.org and spool them into a Maildir for me and set it to run every 15 mins as a cron job on a server at work which I access via imap ;)
[04:23] <psusi> if I subscribed with my normal pop account it would blow my quota in a few hours ;)
[04:23] <Kyral> psusi: use a GMail Account ;P
[04:23] <psusi> does that support imap?
[04:24] <Kyral> I don't think so
[04:24] <psusi> then it sucks ;)
[04:24] <Kyral> but FetchMail can grab it
[04:24] <Kyral> and it does Pop
[04:24] <Kyral> Where do you think all my ML subscribes go to ;P
[04:24] <psusi> why get another pop account when I can use lkml.org for much the same purpose? ;)
[04:25] <Kyral> dunno
[04:25] <Kyral> if I subscribe to Linux Kernel
[04:25] <Kyral> I'll make a new GMail Account just for it :P
[04:26] <psusi> I love imap.... I can't believe I put up with pop3 for so many years
[04:26] <Kyral> whats so good about it
[04:26] <Kyral> Frankly POP does what I need it
[04:26] <Kyral> grabs the email from the server to my computer
[04:26] <psusi> the mail is stored on the server... this is nice for instance, because mail that I read at work is still marked as read when I get home
[04:27] <Kyral> this is why I use X11 Forwarding with SSH :P
[04:27] <Kyral> ssh into this box, forward Sylpheed-Claws, done :D
[04:27] <psusi> and I have one sent mail folder on the server that holds all sent messages, no matter if I send them from home, work, or elsewhere via the web
[04:28] <Kyral> Sylpheed is nice
[04:28] <Kyral> much quicker than Evolution
[04:28] <psusi> I can start composing an email at home, go to work, and finish it then send it... heh...
[04:28] <psusi> Sylpheed?
[04:28] <Kyral> Yah
[04:28] <Kyral> it can best be described as XFCE's mail client
[04:28] <Kyral> I mean its not
[04:28] <LaserJock> psusi: me too
[04:28] <Kyral> but they go together well
[04:28] <psusi> hrm... I see... XFCE is a simple WM right?
[04:29] <Kyral> Actually I use Slypheed-Claws
[04:29] <Kyral> psusi: think GNOME-Light
[04:29] <Kyral> Its a full DE
[04:29] <Kyral> but lighter and quicker than GNOME
[04:29] <psusi> ohh, a full DE?
[04:29] <Kyral> and its FreeDesktop.org complient
[04:29] <psusi> with it's own set of libraries and all?
[04:29] <Kyral> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop :P
[04:29] <psusi> so now you've got qt, gtk, and ???
[04:29] <LaserJock> I like thunderbird because I can use it in Linux, Windows, and OSX and have it look pretty much the same
[04:30] <Kyral> psusi: no GTK
[04:30] <psusi> LaserJock, exactly
[04:30] <Kyral> I mean it uses GTK
[04:30] <psusi> Kyral, ohh...
[04:30] <psusi> so how is it lighter than gnome?
[04:30] <Kyral> faster
[04:30] <Kyral> less memory
[04:30] <Kyral> No MetaCity
[04:30] <Kyral> ;P
[04:33] <Kyral> Basically it plays nicely with GNOME
[04:34] <Kyral> even can use GNOME's themes
[04:34] <Kyral> well, the GTK ones
[04:34] <Kyral> The SVN version even has a panel app that allows you to use GNOME Panel Applets
[04:34] <LaserJock> yeah, XFCE is nice. I used it a fair bit in my Gentoo days
[04:35] <Kyral> Its compositor owns :D
[04:38] <Kyral> none of this XCompmgr stuff. XFCE has its own builtin that activates when it detects that you have X setup for it
[04:40] <psusi> there are just too damn many window managers, desktop environments, and toolkits
[04:41] <ajmitch_> Kyral: which is the intended behaviour, like kde's integrating compositing
[04:41] <ajmitch_> or metacity's now
[04:41] <Kyral> metacity has a compositor? Is it in Dapper?
[04:42] <ajmitch_> mjg59 uploaded the spiftastic branch
[04:42] <ajmitch_> and the metacity package itself should have something enabled
[04:42] <Lathiat> spiftastic or spiftacity? ;p
[04:42] <Kyral> "spiftasitc"?
[04:42] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: the package is named spiftacity
[04:42] <Lathiat> Kyral: "1337"
[04:43] <Kyral> ....
[04:43] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: hehe, cool
[04:43] <ajmitch_> but I think the branch was named otherwise
[04:43] <Kyral> eci
[04:43] <Lathiat> does compositing work with GL yet?
[04:43] <Kyral> How stable is it?
[04:44] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yes, aiglx
[04:44] <ajmitch_> Kyral: stability & speed are fine
[04:45] <Kyral> hmm
[04:45] <Kyral> when I bounce back to GNOME in a while I'll try it (I seem to switch between XFCE and GNOME on a monthly basis :P)
[04:47] <LaserJock> argghh, I wish lucas was here. This stupid extconf.rb
[04:47] <ajmitch_> fine
[04:50] <LaserJock> I just can't figure out how to pass xmkmf directory options
[06:03] <LaserJock> ok, so if I pass a variable to a Makefile from debian/rules that is already set in the Makefile, will it override what is in the Makefile?
[06:05] <LaserJock> Lathiat: ping?
[06:21] <Lathiat> LaserJock: pong
[06:21] <LaserJock> Lathiat: your in MOTU Ruby, right?
[06:22] <Lathiat> LaserJock: yeh, but i havent actually done anything
[06:22] <Lathiat> LaserJock: whats up?
[06:22] <LaserJock> well, I'm trying to fix a package
[06:22] <LaserJock> it's trying to install into /usr/local/
[06:23] <LaserJock> I was talking with #ruby-lang and they basically said it was because Debian screwed Ruby up ;-)
[06:23] <Lathiat> haha
[06:24] <LaserJock> well, the problem is that $sitedir is set to /usr/local/ and it shouldn't be
[06:26] <LaserJock> so the package I'm working on reads /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/rbconfig.rb and it sets the variables accordingly. Have you seen this before?
[07:01] <Lathiat> LaserJock: youll probably find it was set like that so external packages get installed to /usr/local
[07:01] <Lathiat> and debian packages go to /usr/lib
[07:01] <Lathiat> look at other packages and see how they make it work?
[07:01] <LaserJock> I've tried but I haven't found anything that works, I'll dig some more
[07:12] <LaserJock> Lathiat: do you have any idea what would be a good package to look at?
[07:42] <marcin`> hmm I would like report package bug... but I wonder if there is any sense
[07:43] <ajmitch_> marcin`: why wouldn't there be any sense?
[07:43] <marcin`> I reported 5 bugs to malone and 4 hangs as unconfirmed for avg. 4 weeks
[07:44] <ajmitch_> marcin`: because it requires people to look at them?
[07:44] <ajmitch_> it doesn't mean that just not filing bugs is the best thing to do
[07:44] <marcin`> well I agree but I'm not sure if malone is good choice
[07:45] <ajmitch_> marcin`: if it's a genuine packaging bug that exists in debian, file it there
[07:45] <marcin`> anyway forget I'll report but I don't like 'dead bugzillas' they are depressing
[07:46] <marcin`> ajmitch_: ok
[08:15] <dholbach> good morning
[08:16] <ajmitch_> morning dholbach
[08:17] <dholbach> hey ajmitch_!
[08:19] <ajmitch_> what's up?
[08:19] <dholbach> a new GNOME is up :)
[08:19] <dholbach> again... :-)
[08:19] <dholbach> how are you?
[08:20] <ajmitch_> alright, still busy working
[08:23] <jsgotangco> hi dholbach
[08:23] <jsgotangco> new gnome? oh wow
[08:25] <ajmitch_> see you all tomorrow
[09:56] <Tonio_> hi
[10:40] <zakame> hi MOTUs
[10:47] <netzmeister> hello
[10:49] <netzmeister> "warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libcodeblocks"
[10:49] <netzmeister> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[10:49] <netzmeister> ?
[10:50] <zakame> hey there netzmeister
[10:50] <zakame> hmm that's probably because there's no libcodeblocks package yet
[10:51] <netzmeister> zakame:  hi, yes i try to build one..
[10:51] <netzmeister> from the codeblocks sources..
[10:52] <netzmeister> i will do this every release for the Ubuntu Community
[10:52] <netzmeister> but how can i create this package without these libs?
[11:00] <netzmeister> hm
[11:01] <netzmeister> zakame:  Any suggestions?
[11:28] <sivang> hi, are there any main approved peopel here that could sponser me an upload ? :-)
[11:31] <freeflying> raphink: ping
[11:32] <raphink> yop freeflying
[11:32] <freeflying> raphink: I've mis-upload a package to REVU, may you dle it
[11:33] <raphink> which one?
[11:33] <freeflying> quarry_0.1.16-1.dsc
[11:33] <raphink> what do you want? to nuke an entry or to remove a file?
[11:33] <raphink> ok
[11:33] <freeflying> remove this, it prepared for mentors
[11:33] <freeflying> thx
[11:34] <raphink> I don't see it in the incoming
[11:34] <raphink> I see quarry entries on REVU
[11:34] <raphink> so you want me to nuke the thread ?
[11:36] <freeflying> raphink: the one in REVU should be named in quarry_0.1.16-0ubuntu1
[11:36] <raphink> mhm
[11:36] <raphink> well just correct your mistake
[11:36] <raphink> by uploading a 0ubuntu1
[11:36] <freeflying> raphink: thx a lot
[11:37] <raphink> I don't see the problem
[11:39] <sivang> raphink: are you approved for main?
[11:40] <raphink> sivang: nope :(
[11:40] <sivang> ah okay :) I had the impression you are though
[11:42] <raphink> sivang: how so?
[11:42] <freeflying> raphink:  dev->core dev
[11:43] <sivang> don't know :) had a feeling
[11:43] <raphink> freeflying: what?
[11:45] <freeflying> raphink: u r in the process of developer ---> core developer
[11:45] <raphink> no I'm not, so far
[11:59] <raphink> freeflying: unless you consider any dev is already in the process towards being a core dev
[11:59] <freeflying> raphink: :) hmm
[11:59] <freeflying> raphink: hope u r the first one
[11:59] <raphink> hehe
[12:00] <raphink> freeflying: haha I'm not good enough to deserve it :p
[12:07] <marcin`> raphink: hi
[12:07] <raphink> hi marcin`
[12:08] <marcin`> raphink: can I report bug in revu-tools package to you here?
[12:08] <netzmeister> hello
[12:08] <raphink> marcin`: sure you can :)
[12:09] <raphink> marcin`: you could report on malone, too
[12:09] <raphink> hi netzmeister
[12:09] <netzmeister> hi raphink
[12:09] <netzmeister> yeah i build atm my first deb Packet..
[12:09] <netzmeister> i'm really happy.. ;-)
[12:10] <raphink> I guess :)
[12:10] <raphink> :)
[12:10] <marcin`> raphink: there is script - /usr/bin/revu-review
[12:10] <raphink> \o_  \o/ _o/
[12:10] <raphink> marcin`: this one is made for revu only, unless you adapt it to the way to organize your stuff
[12:11] <raphink> i.e. you have your packages organized by name and date as package-yyyymmddhhss
[12:11] <marcin`> raphink: and in this script there is variable: REVUREPORT=/usr/local/bin/revu-report
[12:12] <raphink> marcin`: ic, that is a bug but it only matters if you can actually use it on your comp, which I doubt
[12:13] <raphink> on REVU, revu-report is located in /srv/revu1/scripts/ and linked to in /usr/local/bin/
[12:13] <raphink> which is the reason why it's like this
[12:13] <raphink> since it's a REVU-specific script, unlike the other scripts
[12:13] <raphink> maybe I should not distribute it actually
[12:16] <gusaweb> hi raphink
[12:17] <raphink> hi gusaweb
[12:17] <gusaweb> raphink I am looking for a packager guide
[12:17] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Tips
[12:18] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Tips
[12:18] <raphink> oops
[12:18] <gusaweb> raphink thanks :)
[12:18] <raphink> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[12:18] <raphink> :)
[12:18] <raphink> there
[12:20] <marcin`> raphink: actually not REVUREPORT should point to /usr/bin where /usr/bin/revu-report is available
[12:20] <raphink> marcin`: yes I totally got your point
[12:21] <raphink> I can fix that, although I'm not sure you'll be using revu-review on your machine anyway
[03:15] <Toadstool_> hi MOTUs
[03:50] <freeflying> any debian DD here
[03:56] <jamessan> yeah
[04:00] <G0SUB> I have set up a translation project for our language in launchpad ... now how do I add the translations of different projects to our project?
[04:41] <pef> hello
[04:41] <desrt> pef; hello
[04:52] <Gloubiboulga> hi pef
[04:52] <pef> Gloubiboulga: salut :)
[04:54] <netzmeister> hi
[04:54] <netzmeister> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for /opt/wx/2.6/lib/libwx_gtk2u-2.6.so.0 (libwx_gtk2u-2.6.so.0)
[04:54] <netzmeister> :-(
[04:56] <ogra> how should it find a package ? you obviously compiled this lib yourself
[04:58] <nomed> dapper is in "featurefreeze" true ?
[04:58] <jpatrick> yes
[05:00] <netzmeister> ogra: i build a deb package from the codeblocks sources..
[05:01] <ogra> but surely not linked against something sitting in /opt :)
[05:02] <netzmeister> hmm,
[05:02] <netzmeister> how can i do that?
[05:06] <ogra> you should use the libwxgtk2.6-0 package to link against libwx_gtk2
[05:06] <ogra> u
[05:14] <netzmeister> hm
[05:14] <netzmeister> any Howto's?
[05:15] <netzmeister> i'm new.. but i will maintance some packages which are not in the repos..
[05:15] <ogra> just put it in the build dependencys and make your code not link against anything in /opt
[05:15] <netzmeister> okay..
[05:15] <netzmeister> dependencys are in "control"
[05:16] <ogra> if you want to build packages, always make sure to only use contents of other existing packages to build them, the packaging system cant access anything apart from data in packages to build your package ...
[05:17] <ogra> so manually compiled stuff in /opt or /usr/local cant work
[05:17] <netzmeister> okay..
[05:17] <netzmeister> codeblocks uses the libwx..
[05:18] <netzmeister> in the codeblocks compile manual they write you must compile libwx.. yourself
[05:18] <ogra> put libwxgtk2.6-dev to the Build-Deps: line ... and make sure your code uses the right location for the files
[05:18] <ogra> that should solve it
[05:18] <netzmeister> hm its in the line..
[05:19] <netzmeister> Build-Depends: debhelper, autotools-dev, libc6-dev, libstdc++6-4.0-dev, libwxgtk2.6-dev, wx-common
[05:19] <ogra> so your code is wrongg, adjust the configure options in the rules file to link against the right file
[05:20] <netzmeister> hm
[05:24] <netzmeister> i don't know.. :-(  am i a n00b ?
[05:33] <netzmeister> hm no chance..
[05:34] <netzmeister> fu..
[05:34] <netzmeister> :-(
[05:35] <netzmeister> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for /opt/wx/2.6/lib/libwx_gtk2u-2.6.so.0 (libwx_gtk2u-2.6.so.0)
[05:35] <netzmeister> the file exists..
[05:54] <feistel> hi
[05:54] <feistel> I need generate a new translation of Ubuntu Installer for my country
[05:54] <feistel> any help can I read?
[05:55] <dholbach> feistel: it's enough to ask in #ubuntu-devel
[05:55] <dholbach> feistel: motu is the channel for the universe package maintainers :)
[05:55] <feistel> ok, thanks
[06:00] <netzmeister> This package was debianized by netzmeister <netzmeister@source-code.de>
[06:00] <netzmeister> Is "debianized" the right word?
[06:01] <dholbach> I'd probably write a real name.
[06:01] <dholbach> debianized is fine though.
[06:03] <netzmeister> Copyright Holder: Matthias Gutmann <netzmeister@source-code.de>
[06:04] <netzmeister> or is the Copyright Holder the Developer of the Program?
[06:04] <dholbach> the latter
[06:04] <netzmeister> latter?
[06:04] <netzmeister> (i'm german :-( )
[06:04] <ogra> the last
[06:04] <dholbach> the last part of your sentzence :)
[06:04] <netzmeister> ah okay..
[06:04] <netzmeister> ;-)
[06:04] <dholbach> the developer / author
[06:04] <dholbach> the former (first part), the latter (the last part) :)
[06:04] <netzmeister> latter = "das letztere" ;-)
[06:05] <dholbach> Richtig! :)
[06:05] <ogra> genau :)
[06:05] <netzmeister> lol, you speak german??
[06:05] <ogra> yes
[06:05] <dholbach> we have quite a bunch of german MOTUs :)
[06:05] <dholbach> or german speaking :)
[06:05] <netzmeister> ah okay, i hope i'm in future one of them.
[06:06] <dholbach> That'd be great! :)
[06:06] <netzmeister> thx
[06:08] <dholbach> netzmeister: There's enough to be done until release (7 weeks left) - so you can be sure to have some uploads done and to be more comfortable with everyting. :-)
[06:13] <netzmeister> oh yes.. :-)
[06:23] <jpatrick> hey LaserJock
[06:23] <LaserJock> hi jpatrick
[06:24] <jpatrick> I sent a patch jjesse's going to commit when he cames back from lunch
[06:24] <LaserJock> jpatrick: to what?
[06:24] <jpatrick> PackagingGuide
[06:24] <LaserJock> jpatrick: hmm, is it the patch you sent me?
[06:25] <jpatrick> I've added a bit moer
[06:25] <jpatrick> more*
[06:25] <LaserJock> jpatrick: can you send it to me as well?
[06:25] <jpatrick> it's on ubuntu-doc
[06:25] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[06:27] <LaserJock> jpatrick: you mind if I take care of it? I was going to do some tweaking
[06:27] <jpatrick> sure
[06:28] <jpatrick> but better poke jjesse just in case
[06:28] <LaserJock> I will
[06:28] <netzmeister> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/292/
[06:28] <netzmeister> hmm
[06:35] <LaserJock> lucas: ping?
[06:40] <netzmeister> hm
[06:40] <netzmeister> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/292/
[06:52] <lucas> LaserJock: pong
[06:55] <LaserJock> lucas: I need some ruby packaging wisdom :-)
[06:55] <lucas> yes ?
[06:56] <LaserJock> I'm trying to fix libgtk-trayicon-ruby
[06:56] <LaserJock> and  it keeps wanting to install into /usr/local/
[06:57] <LaserJock> lucas: You provided a patch to it once
[06:58] <LaserJock> and I was wondering if there were other ruby packages I could look at for help.
[07:00] <LaserJock> lucas: basically I need to override $sitedir, $sitearchdir, and $sitelibdir
[07:18] <LaserJock> lucas: any thoughts?
[07:35] <siretart> hi
[07:35] <siretart> dholbach: did you poke mdz? did he answer?
[07:39] <dholbach> siretart: yes i did, no he's not awake yet
[07:39] <dholbach> (... i suppose)
[07:39] <dholbach> or not there
[07:39] <siretart> ok
[07:39] <siretart> imo we should just start, he had enough time to object ;)
[07:45] <netzmeister> dholbach: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/292/
[07:46] <dholbach> ls Makefile*
[07:46] <netzmeister> Makefile.am  Makefile.in
[07:46] <dholbach> das ist kein release-tarball oder?
[07:47] <dholbach> hast du das aus dem cvs?
[07:47] <dholbach> oops
[07:47] <dholbach> :-)
[07:47] <dholbach> you got that from CVS?
[07:47] <netzmeister> no
[07:47] <netzmeister> Download-Sektion
[07:47] <dholbach> so that's a released tarball?
[07:48] <netzmeister> yes.. 1.0-RC2
[07:48] <dholbach> you should talk to the upstream maintainer - to ship a proper tarball
[07:48] <netzmeister> hmm
[07:48] <netzmeister> can i use the Makefile from the svn?
[07:49] <dholbach> does it ship a   autogen.sh   or something?
[07:49] <netzmeister> no
[07:49] <netzmeister> a ./bootstrap
[07:49] <netzmeister> that creates the Makefile.am  Makefile.in
[07:55] <lucas> LaserJock: sorry, missed your message
[07:55] <lucas> I think that libgtk-trayicon-ruby from debian fixes the issue
[07:55] <lucas> have you tested it ?
[07:57] <LaserJock> lucas: yes, the problem is it installs to /usr/local
[07:58] <LaserJock> your patch helped, but it didn't fix it completely
[07:58] <lucas> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/gtk-trayicon-deb.patch?bug=352277;msg=5;att=1
[07:58] <lucas> have you tried this one ?
[07:58] <lucas> from the other debian bug report on the subject
[08:00] <LaserJock> ah, no. I didn't see that one. I'll try that. That is more or less what I was trying to do. I see if that works
[08:11] <siretart> netzmeister: tell him to release the tarball which comes out when he issues 'make distcheck' after 'bootstrapping'
[08:11] <netzmeister> k
[08:11] <netzmeister> i try
[08:14] <netzmeister> yeahh
[08:14] <netzmeister> i have a DEB-Package..
[08:14] <netzmeister> but..
[08:15] <netzmeister> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library libwx_gtk2u-2.6 (soname 0, path /opt/wx/2.6/lib/libwx_gtk2u-2.6.so.0, dependency field Depends)
[08:15] <netzmeister> hmm
[08:15] <netzmeister> why?
[08:17] <siretart> strange lib. never heard of that
[08:19] <netzmeister> libwx...
[08:19] <netzmeister> wxWidget?!
[08:19] <netzmeister> siretart: How can i check my DEB-Package..
[08:20] <jpatrick> lintian -i *.deb
[08:20] <netzmeister> on my PC it works, because i have all libs installed...
[08:20] <netzmeister> ahh, k
[08:22] <LaserJock> lucas: ok, that worked. What are the chances of getting the debian maintainer to fix this?
[08:23] <lucas> #debian-ruby a while ago: [20:01:39]  <lucas> Mozillion: could you consider NMUing libgtk-trayicon-ruby to fix #352277 with your patch ?
[08:23] <lucas> no answer yet
[08:26] <LaserJock> dholbach: can I get you to upload a bugfix?
[08:26] <jpatrick> or me, if you want
[08:27] <dholbach> thanks jpatrick
[08:31] <LaserJock> can I get any MOTU to upload a bugfix for me?
[08:31] <LaserJock> lucas: so should I get jpatrick to upload a ubuntu1 fix or wait for a NMU?
[08:31] <lucas> I can upload it if you want, but I'm busy tonight
[08:31] <lucas> don't wait
[08:31] <lucas> LaserJock: you aren't a MOTU yet ?
[08:32] <LaserJock> lucas: no, I got deferred to next TB meeting, whenever that is
[08:32] <lucas> arg, too bad
[08:32] <lucas> tell me when it is, I'll come to support you :)
[08:34] <LaserJock> lucas and jpatrick : thanks, that is why I got deferred. My sponsors couldn't make it :(
[08:34] <LaserJock> jpatrick: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/libgtk-trayicon-ruby_0.1.0-4ubuntu1.debdiff
[08:35] <jpatrick> and I took too long
[08:35] <LaserJock> they did ask a lot of questions and got a little OT :-)
[08:38] <jpatrick> fetching libgtk-trayicon-ruby
[08:47] <Tonio_> re
[08:50] <jpatrick> LaserJock: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006960.html
[08:51] <LaserJock> jpatrick: beautiful. thank you very much
[08:52] <jpatrick> no problem
[09:11] <LaserJock> hi thierry
[09:17] <thierry> LaserJock : hi
[09:18] <thierry> LaserJock : does pari-gp is a gui?
[09:18] <LaserJock> thierry: haven't a clue
[09:19] <thierry> LaserJock : thanks anyway...
[09:20] <LaserJock> thierry: sorry, I haven't even heard of it so ...
[09:21] <thierry> LaserJock : I'm just trying to clean up a little bit the list of packages that need .desktop file for the math section
[09:24] <LaserJock> thierry: yeah, I know. We need that.
[09:30] <lucas> LaserJock: next TB is tomorrow
[09:31] <lucas> + {{{2006-02-28 at 2000UTC}}}
[09:31] <LaserJock> lucas: yeah, I was just asking mdz in -devel about it
[09:31] <LaserJock> lucas: it wasn't on anything so he just fixed it
[09:31] <lucas> ok :)
[09:32] <LaserJock> thing is I have a meeting scheduled 2000-2100 UTC
[09:32] <LaserJock> hopefully I can get out early
[09:33] <lucas> ok I'll try to slow things down tomorrow :)
[09:34] <LaserJock> lol, yeah. get them OT for a while ;-)
[10:55] <cyberix> I created a local repository. It complains about authenticating.
[10:55] <netzmeister> what is TB?
[10:55] <cyberix> I signed the only package of the repository with my personal gpg-key.
[10:56] <cyberix> And added it in synaptic to the keys.
[10:56] <dredg> you sign the Release file
[10:56] <dredg> gpg -b -o Release.gpg
[10:56] <cyberix> Hmm.
[10:56] <cyberix> I don't have such
[10:56] <cyberix> Only Packages.gz
[10:56] <LaserJock> netzmeister: Technical Board, hopefully ;-)
[10:57] <cyberix> How do I create a minimum release file?
[10:57] <dredg> apt-ftparchive release .
[10:58] <Seveas> cyberix, you may want to take a look at falcon, It's the thing I wrote for maintaining a small repository
[10:59] <Seveas> works quite easy, and does things like signing for you 
[11:00] <Gloubiboulga> Seveas, is falcon available on the Repositories ?
[11:01] <Seveas> I've not yet asked for it to be included, you can find it in my repo
[11:01] <netzmeister> LaserJock: Technical Board? What's this?
[11:01] <Seveas> seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:02] <Gloubiboulga> thanks Seveas
[11:03] <LaserJock> Seveas: that reminds me, you do the freenx builds?
[11:03] <ajmitch_> morning
[11:03] <Seveas> LaserJock, slh does the work, I just make them work on Breezy
[11:03] <LaserJock> netzmeister: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/techboard
[11:03] <LaserJock> Seveas: so are there dapper packages?
[11:03] <Seveas> LaserJock, not yet
[11:04] <LaserJock> Sevas: ok, I've been banging my head against freenx for a while. I've just never gotten it to work in Debian or Ubuntu
[11:05] <Seveas> LaserJock, according to slh his latest kanotix packages only need a rebuild to worl on dapper
[11:05] <LaserJock> Seveas: but that is probably due to me and not the packages :(
[11:05] <cyberix> Ign file: binary/ Release.gpg
[11:05] <cyberix> Ign file: binary/ Release
[11:05] <cyberix> Ign file: binary/ Packages
[11:05] <cyberix> This is printed by sudo apt-get update
[11:05] <cyberix> It ignores my repository?
[11:12] <netzmeister> LaserJock: Thx
[11:13] <Seveas> cyberix, seriously, look at falcon, then all you have to do is 'falcon update' and it does all the apt-ftparchive work and more
[11:19] <thierry> LaserJock : a lot of applications have a menu entry in debian but are terminal apps, should we put a .desktop file with it and put "terminal command" as command to launch?
[11:21] <LaserJock> thierry: I'm not sure. I think that is something we might want to talk to MOTU or the desktop team about
[11:21] <lifeless> bug 2397
[11:21] <Ubugtu> malone bug 2397 in pornview "Pornview segfaults at startup" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2397
[11:21] <lifeless> I think disabling xine is sane
[11:22] <lifeless> or removing the gtk2 support
[11:22] <lifeless> (which is experimental)
[11:22] <lifeless> I suspect someone needs to take a decision though....
[11:24] <ajmitch_> morning lifeless
[11:26] <lifeless> hey aj
[11:29] <cyberix> Seveas: It not being in Ubuntu repositories was my bigest reason for not trying it immediately
[11:30] <Seveas> cyberix, understandable
[11:30] <cyberix> Seveas: And also that I'm trying to learn this so I can develop apt :-)
[11:31] <cyberix> Seveas: Not to really admin a repository
[11:31] <Seveas> hehe
[11:31] <Seveas> in that case you shouldn't use it, it reduces all the dirty work to 'falcon update'
[11:31] <Seveas> so you learn nothing 
[11:32] <cyberix> I was reading the Debian Repository howto
[11:33] <cyberix> But it really doesn't explain this stuff regarding release files for simple repositories.
[11:34] <Seveas> apt-ftparchive release dists/
[11:37] <cyberix> I have only one directory called "binary" at my repository root
[11:37] <cyberix> So will it be "apt-ftparchive release binary" then
[11:37] <cyberix> And should I put the Release file to root directory or binary/
[11:44] <astronut> i'm the debian maintainer of a package in universe, the version in ubuntu is not in great shape (upstream), that has been fixed in debian, any way to get the new version put it through the freeze?
[11:45] <Seveas> mail ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com with a short summary of the changes - this channel is a bit quiet atm
[11:46] <astronut> Seveas: is it likely though?
[11:46] <Seveas> depends on how bad the shape is
[11:46] <astronut> upstream had THREE seperarate copies of the binary in their package, as well as a fucked up make system that i hacked around
[11:47] <astronut> newer version is much more sane
[11:47] <astronut> package is graphmonkey
[11:47] <Seveas> sounds reasonable to get a UVF
[11:47] <astronut> uvf?
[11:47] <Seveas> well, uvf exception
[11:47] <Seveas> upstreamversionfreeze
[11:47] <astronut> UVF=?
[11:47] <astronut> ah
[11:48] <astronut> so is it RFUVF: graphmonkey as subject or any question/
[11:48] <astronut> err, RFUVFE
[11:49] <Seveas> UVF Exception request: ...
[11:49] <astronut> thanks
[11:49] <Seveas> but, ubuntu-motu is subscribers-only
[11:49] <ajmitch_> astronut: sounds like it's worth it, and as the debian maintainer you'd know best
[11:49] <astronut> ok, cool
[11:50] <Seveas> ajmitch_, my thoughts exactly
[11:50] <astronut> oh, damnit
[11:50] <astronut> can i send to one of you, i really don't want to subscribe
[11:50] <Seveas> sure
[11:50] <Seveas> dennis@ubuntu.com
[11:50] <Seveas> too much spam
[11:50] <astronut> SA++
[11:51] <Seveas> even on a very small list like ubuntu-nl spam is flowing steadily
[11:51] <Seveas> and SA only recognizes 1 in every 20 spams as spam 
[11:51] <ajmitch_> at least the lists aren't (quite) as noisy as debian-devel yet
[11:52] <astronut> Seveas: not for me...looks like you need better filters
[11:52] <lifeless> so
[11:52] <lifeless> pornview.
[11:52] <lifeless> decision.
[11:52] <lifeless> please.
[11:53] <Seveas> he's the MOTU!
[11:53] <astronut> i use eog, that might be better
[11:54] <ajmitch_> lifeless: please, no
[11:54] <lifeless> ajmitch_: please no what ?
[11:54] <ajmitch_> don't start such discussions here :)
[11:55] <astronut> aww
[11:55] <astronut> i want to see
[11:55] <lifeless> ajmitch_: erm, ??? theres a bug. There are two solutions. Neither has been uploaded.
[11:55] <astronut> what's wrong with it?
[11:55] <astronut> it's an image viewer
[11:55] <astronut> oh
[11:55] <astronut> nm
[11:55] <lifeless> ajmitch_: I don't give a rats whether its default or not.
[11:55] <lifeless> bug 2397
[11:55] <Ubugtu> malone bug 2397 in pornview "Pornview segfaults at startup" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2397
[11:56] <lifeless> ajmitch_: ^ please look at the last two comments only.
[11:57] <ajmitch_> lifeless: right
[11:57] <cyberix> Should I search for a Debian package maintainer for a package, and only then try to get it into Ubuntu?
[11:57] <lifeless> all it needs is a 'yes, go gtk1' or 'yes go xineless'
[11:57] <ajmitch_> I'd say xineless, but I haven't looked at the package at all
[11:58] <astronut> Seveas: sent
[11:58] <astronut> let me know if it looks ok
[11:58] <lifeless> ajmitch_: well it seems to be a) only affects some users [I'm one ;)]  and in the xine detection code
[11:58] <lifeless> ajmitch_: I just want a fix in the archive :)
[11:58] <ajmitch_> lifeless: btw bzr seems to be quite painfully slow on cygwin - probably a common issue with cygwin :)
[11:59] <Seveas> astronut, I'll forward it
[11:59] <lifeless> ajmitch_: use the plain windows version then ;0
[11:59] <astronut> Seveas: appreciate it
[11:59] <lifeless> ajmitch_: which bits are painful though ?
[11:59] <ajmitch_> mainly merging
[11:59] <Seveas> argh@evolution 2.5
[11:59] <lifeless> ajmitch_: over the web or local ?
[11:59] <Seveas> wants to forward as attachment..
[12:00] <ajmitch_> local network
[12:00] <lifeless> 0.7 or 0.8pre ?
[12:00] <ajmitch_> 0.7
[12:00] <lifeless> heh, try 0.8
[12:00] <lifeless> 50% increase in speed for merge style ops
[12:00] <ajmitch_> if cygwin packages are out for it
[12:00] <ajmitch_> nice
[12:02] <astronut> Seveas: you pulled out my sig :-P
[12:02] <ajmitch_> bzr has been very very useful for this work I'm doing though :)
[12:02] <astronut> gah, i never finished the first sentance