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| morphineinduced | hey is there a forum for this distro..... or do they only help in the irc | 02:27 |
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| gctaylor | Anybody in here? | 03:13 |
| gctaylor | Can anyone tell me how to force a ltsp client to use a specific resolution? What I want is not listed in the dropdown. | 03:14 |
| gctaylor | Editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't seem to help. I see checksum or timestamp errors when the client is booting. | 03:15 |
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| blt4mud | has anyone got edubuntu runing on laptop using wireless? | 03:48 |
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| TOZTWO | Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read? | 06:01 |
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| JaneW | hi all | 09:30 |
| JaneW | ogra | 09:30 |
| Burglaptop | salut JaneW | 09:33 |
| JaneW | hi Burglaptop | 09:33 |
| JaneW | Burglaptop: I was caned yesterday for leaking info to you! ;) | 09:34 |
| Burglaptop | JaneW: I see. By whom? | 09:35 |
| Burglaptop | I don't intend to blog about it, if that is a concern | 09:35 |
| JaneW | Burglaptop: by jdub - so it was kinda fun... | 09:35 |
| Burglaptop | what did he say? | 09:36 |
| JaneW | yes said he heard I had been leaking out info of the UWC | 09:36 |
| JaneW | I told him our e-mail didn't say it was confidential so there :P | 09:37 |
| Burglaptop | well I did email jdub and ask him straight up for sponsorship to Barcelona | 09:40 |
| Burglaptop | I figured that I should go big or go home | 09:41 |
| Burglaptop | JaneW: bon nuit | 09:47 |
| Burglaptop | bonne nuit, even | 09:48 |
| JaneW | night :) | 09:48 |
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| spacey | whats Burgworks name again? | 09:52 |
| spacey | can't associate the nickname | 09:52 |
| jsgotangco | Corey Burger | 10:00 |
| spacey | aaaah | 10:02 |
| spacey | doh | 10:02 |
| spacey | i that then his nick was burgundia or something | 10:02 |
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| spacey | i guess this is the short version | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | its probably his computer at work | 10:04 |
| JaneW | spacey: it was Burgundavia (Or something like that) | 10:23 |
| spacey | yeh | 10:23 |
| spacey | too difficult | 10:23 |
| JaneW | guys we have a national public holidat tomorrow, for our Municipal Elections | 10:24 |
| JaneW | holiday even | 10:24 |
| spacey | thats nice | 10:24 |
| spacey | :) | 10:24 |
| JaneW | can someone else volunteer to run the weekly meeting? | 10:24 |
| JaneW | I am voting, to hopefully improve on our municupal services, like POWER! | 10:24 |
| spacey | :D | 10:24 |
| spacey | long waiting line? | 10:25 |
| spacey | agenda is already there? | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | i can do it | 10:26 |
| jsgotangco | usual edubuntu meetings are just 8pm on my side | 10:27 |
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| spacey | hmm | 11:54 |
| spacey | how can i block certain users of using X | 11:55 |
| spacey | read thinclient | 11:55 |
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| m1ckeyknox | good morning folks! | 02:24 |
| m1ckeyknox | could anybody say if the i386 download on edubuntu.org is a live cd or an installation? | 02:25 |
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| ogra | m1ckeyknox, the breezy version only has a install iso | 02:26 |
| m1ckeyknox | is there a live cd available someplace? | 02:26 |
| ogra | for dapper (the april release) there is a liveCd ... but its still in development ... | 02:26 |
| m1ckeyknox | I see. so... in a few more months you think? | 02:27 |
| ogra | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ | 02:27 |
| ogra | if you want to test it :) | 02:27 |
| ogra | note that the liveCD innstaller on this CD is in its early stages ... | 02:27 |
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| m1ckeyknox | myself... I'd love to... but I was hoping to be able to give the cd to my wife to have her try with a 5 yr old that she is watching for a friend. | 02:28 |
| m1ckeyknox | We have a 3mo old son... and I'm looking forward to software like this progressing | 02:28 |
| m1ckeyknox | figured we could use somebody else's kid as a guniea pig! | 02:28 |
| m1ckeyknox | ;-) | 02:28 |
| zakame | evening Edubunteros! :D | 02:28 |
| ogra | heh | 02:28 |
| ogra | hey zakame | 02:28 |
| zakame | hello ogra! :-) | 02:29 |
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| JaneW | spacey: nice lab :)) | 02:44 |
| spacey | thanks:) | 02:47 |
| spacey | well actually its the whole school | 02:47 |
| spacey | lab itself its quite small | 02:47 |
| spacey | there are pc's in every classroom | 02:55 |
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| JaneW | nice :) | 03:02 |
| JaneW | what ages are the children? | 03:02 |
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| === Topic for #edubuntu: Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: 15 Feb at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ | ||
| === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Sun Feb 19 01:11:18 2006 | ||
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| bobulator | does anyone know how i can copy my whole home directory and keep the ownership and permissons in tact? | 05:10 |
| m1ckeyknox | alright folks... I think I'm gonna stop idling in here... be back some other time. ;-) | 05:39 |
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| bobulator | rarggh, and can smeone please tell me how i can set the max resolution for thin clients? i just cant remeber what file it is... | 06:35 |
| ogra | set HORIZ_SYNC and VERT_REFRESH in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf | 06:36 |
| bobulator | ta! | 06:37 |
| ogra | see the exact params here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams | 06:38 |
| bobulator | sorry, i meant bit depth | 06:38 |
| bobulator | ah thanks! | 06:38 |
| ogra | color depth is only implemented in dapper ... | 06:38 |
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| bobulator | yeha im on dapper | 06:39 |
| knight | you on dapper | 06:39 |
| knight | cool | 06:39 |
| knight | question | 06:39 |
| knight | I have a thin client running tuxtype | 06:40 |
| knight | but it runs choppy | 06:40 |
| knight | I was told to compress the network connection but I still have a problem | 06:41 |
| bobulator | hmm, im sure you got me to set the bit depth before. because laods of these graphics cards dont support 24 bit... | 06:42 |
| bobulator | i definately edited some file that put it down to 8 bit :p | 06:44 |
| knight | ok how do I do that | 06:46 |
| bobulator | haha hang on, you need ogra not me | 06:46 |
| knight | ok | 06:46 |
| knight | thanks bobulator | 06:47 |
| knight | listen how is the experience on dapper | 06:47 |
| bobulator | i like it | 06:51 |
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| TOZTWO | Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read? | 07:00 |
| ogra_ | gcompris ? | 07:03 |
| knight | now | 07:05 |
| knight | how doo I make tuxtype work smoothly in a thin client | 07:05 |
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| stendhal | hello | 07:07 |
| stendhal | you use edubuntu lol ? | 07:07 |
| ogra_ | why lol ? | 07:09 |
| knight | yes | 07:10 |
| knight | I am using edubuntu | 07:10 |
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| knight | the version for the tuxtype software is 1.0 | 07:10 |
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| knight | Hello | 07:16 |
| knight | any helo | 07:16 |
| knight | help with the choppy graphics for tuxtype | 07:16 |
| TOZTWO | I think that tuxtypes choppiness comes from too much network traffic...... | 07:18 |
| TOZTWO | But I've been told that I was wrong about that.... | 07:19 |
| knight | ok | 07:19 |
| knight | so | 07:19 |
| TOZTWO | If tuxtype has music, try turning it off. | 07:20 |
| knight | no music at all | 07:20 |
| knight | no sound on thin clients | 07:20 |
| TOZTWO | I thought that tuxtype might be a good candidate for localapps, because of all the keyboard events, timimg, and screen updates. | 07:22 |
| ogra_ | its also very cpu intensive ... | 07:23 |
| knight | ok | 07:23 |
| knight | I have 512 ram in the client | 07:23 |
| knight | and 400 mhz pentium II processor | 07:24 |
| ogra_ | that should be plenty for normal apps, i'm not sure what makes tuxtype so power hungry, but its a fact that it behaves this way ... i'll try to track that for the dapper release | 07:25 |
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| knight | Try??? | 07:33 |
| TOZTWO | You can always track it yourself. | 08:06 |
| knight | track it myself?? | 08:19 |
| TOZTWO | Yup. It's Open Source. I'd track it, but I lack skillz. | 08:20 |
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| singy | hi, doese anyone if there is a reason that there is no edubuntu live? | 09:12 |
| ogra_ | yes, i didnt have time to make more than whats there in breezy, we started very late in the develpment cycle ... | 09:13 |
| ogra_ | this changed for the upcoming release :) | 09:14 |
| ogra_ | here is an alpha release of the upcoming april version of edubuntu, including a live CD | 09:14 |
| ogra_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ | 09:14 |
| singy | Ah thanks, I think its very important for edubuntu, tu show it in schools ........ | 09:15 |
| ogra_ | yup | 09:16 |
| juliux | ogra_, evening | 09:16 |
| ogra_ | hey juliux | 09:16 |
| juliux | ogra_, it is possible that you send ous for the linuxtag in wiesbaden some thinclients so we can show that you can use every kind of thinclient? | 09:17 |
| ogra | juliux, i'm pretty sure i'll be there anyway :) | 09:17 |
| juliux | the idea is to have a little lab there on the booth | 09:17 |
| juliux | cool | 09:17 |
| juliux | that is great | 09:18 |
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| roy_ | Anyone here? | 09:35 |
| Burgwork | nope, not really | 09:35 |
| Burgwork | :P | 09:36 |
| roy_ | Could you answer a couple of questions? | 09:36 |
| roy_ | :orga | 09:37 |
| roy_ | :ogra | 09:37 |
| Burgwork | roy_, sure | 09:39 |
| roy_ | Will sound work on the clients | 09:40 |
| roy_ | And I noticed that only one session of firefox can be opened at one time | 09:41 |
| roy_ | I have a 64bit edubuntu server with the 32bit client installed | 09:42 |
| roy_ | I am using flight 4 | 09:42 |
| ogra | sound should work if you enable it in the lts.conf file | 09:44 |
| ogra | just set SOUND=Y or SOUND=True there | 09:44 |
| roy_ | gotcha just like k12ltsp | 09:45 |
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| roy_ | There is no lts.conf in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directory. Do I create it there based on the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf | 09:51 |
| ogra | just create one with the line: | 09:54 |
| ogra | [default] SOUND=Y | 09:55 |
| ogra | that should do it | 09:55 |
| roy_ | thanks : ) | 10:03 |
| roy_ | How about the firefox issue? Does it have something to do with my server being 64bit? | 10:03 |
| ogra | i havent heard about such an issue yet... | 10:04 |
| ogra | you are using different user accounts and the second one cant start firefox ? | 10:05 |
| roy_ | As I sent it I realized my duh! Exactly I was trying it with the same account I am logged on the server with | 10:06 |
| ogra | i'll look into that issue (multiple users with same account) for the next release, i want a kiosk mode with optional auto login for october ... | 10:08 |
| roy_ | I have to admit I impressed so far. Very clean. Nice work. | 10:09 |
| roy_ | I just tried the audio and still no luck. Do I tweak the ltsfile like I did in K12? | 10:10 |
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| trev0r | Where can I find more information about TeachersPet? I think I'd like to help develop it | 10:13 |
| ogra | roy_, there should be no further need for tweaks, it should work out of the box | 10:14 |
| ogra | trev0r, the initial attempt is in dapper, apt-get source student-control-panel | 10:14 |
| trev0r | Do you know if they are still using pygtk like the wiki says? | 10:14 |
| trev0r | (I'm not on a machine where I can check easily right now) | 10:15 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, the only developer of teacherspet is ogra | 10:15 |
| ogra | trev0r, yes, its still using pygtk | 10:16 |
| ogra | i also have a bzr archive of it, if you want to branch | 10:16 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ | 10:17 |
| trev0r | Currently I only have a Macintosh install at my home, so I'll test when I'm at school | 10:18 |
| trev0r | I'll give the source a looking over, though | 10:18 |
| ogra | oki | 10:18 |
| ogra | there is a lot disabled code in the current release thats not mature enough yet ... | 10:19 |
| trev0r | So Teacher's Pet probably won't be ready until Dapper+1? | 10:20 |
| trev0r | (Is that still the name?) | 10:20 |
| ogra | nope, student-control-panel is the name, teachers pet is only the spec | 10:21 |
| trev0r | Oh, ok | 10:21 |
| ogra | the current version can show logged in users, enables you to view their processes and to log them out ... | 10:22 |
| trev0r | Ok | 10:22 |
| ogra | since we doint have any other app thats working with ubuntu ltsp yet, thats how it will go into dapper | 10:22 |
| ogra | to give you at least the features that are available already | 10:23 |
| trev0r | I'm not even 100% sure that the Edubuntu install I have is going to work now. I just pressed enter a few times and now that I am looking at InstallNotes wiki page, I think I needed to type workstation besides just hitting <enter> at boot | 10:24 |
| trev0r | I will see tomorrow morning. I just left the install going and left | 10:25 |
| ogra | if you want to work on s-c-p, a ltsp environment is quite handy to test your features :) | 10:25 |
| trev0r | Basically we have a ton of old old computers, just pentium with 64mb of ram and 6gb of disk space | 10:26 |
| trev0r | Yea, so do I need to install server or workstation on another one now? | 10:26 |
| trev0r | Because I guess I have a ltsp install going | 10:27 |
| ogra | if you did the default install, you should just follow the install notes, edit your dhcpd.conf as advised there and then just boot a PXE driven thin client ... | 10:27 |
| trev0r | I'm not sure what PXE means | 10:27 |
| ogra | should work out of the box... | 10:27 |
| ogra | PXE is the network bootprotocol we use by default | 10:28 |
| ogra | its built in in most newer network cards | 10:28 |
| trev0r | So the thin clients boot from a server? | 10:28 |
| ogra | the network card asks for an ip and for a kernel ... the server provides that kernel which then boots the workstation | 10:29 |
| trev0r | Ok | 10:29 |
| trev0r | So tomorrow I will do a server install | 10:29 |
| ogra | during boot the wrokstation mounts the filesystem from the server via the network | 10:29 |
| trev0r | Probably should have done that first | 10:29 |
| ogra | the default install is a server install | 10:29 |
| trev0r | Oh, my terms I messed up, :) | 10:29 |
| trev0r | So the workstation is the thin client? | 10:30 |
| ogra | the so called "server" install is sadly inherited from ubuntu, the appropriate name would be "minimal" | 10:30 |
| ogra | it only installs a bare minimum system that can boot, no software at all | 10:30 |
| trev0r | Ahh, ok | 10:30 |
| ogra | the workstation install is for standalone desktops | 10:30 |
| ogra | and the default install is in fact a classroom ltsp server ... | 10:31 |
| trev0r | Ok, I am going to need to put another network card in the server then, I think | 10:31 |
| ogra | and for ltsp you dont need to install anything on the clients ... they netboot | 10:31 |
| ogra | if you dont have PXE capable network cards, you will need a bootfloppy or CD | 10:31 |
| trev0r | Well I will just see tomorrow if they are PXE capable :) | 10:32 |
| trev0r | Possibly, anyways. Installs take forever on these machines | 10:32 |
| ogra | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe | 10:32 |
| ogra | as i said, you wont need to install anything on them | 10:32 |
| trev0r | Not even "workstation" mode? | 10:33 |
| trev0r | Ahh, ok | 10:33 |
| trev0r | I reread what you said | 10:33 |
| trev0r | Sorry :) | 10:33 |
| ogra | workstation mode is for students that use edubuntu at home on a single computer | 10:33 |
| trev0r | Ok ok ok, gotcha now | 10:34 |
| trev0r | Right now my server has one network card which is getting internet access from a switch in the room | 10:34 |
| trev0r | 90.0.0.140 is its IP | 10:35 |
| trev0r | Should I put another network card in it and then plug it into another switch and then run a cord from a switch to each "thin client"? | 10:35 |
| ogra | thats a possible setup, yes | 10:36 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiring | 10:36 |
| ogra | has some examples | 10:36 |
| trev0r | Cool | 10:37 |
| trev0r | Yea, the two network card setup is definitely the one I need to get going | 10:37 |
| trev0r | That is the way all out computer laps are setup now | 10:38 |
| trev0r | our* | 10:38 |
| trev0r | The are Windows machines, currently | 10:38 |
| ogra | if you netboot, you can even leave the old windows on the disks ;) | 10:40 |
| trev0r | Cool, so I could just walk into a computer lab with a edubuntu server and get the whole lab going pretty quickly then? | 10:42 |
| ogra | if the clients all have pxe capable network cards, its a no brainer, yes :) | 10:43 |
| ogra | if not, you have to make bootfloppies/bootCDs for the clients first | 10:43 |
| ogra | to teach the cards to do network booting :) | 10:43 |
| trev0r | I guess I just tell the BIOS to boot from the network card, if possible, first? | 10:43 |
| ogra | yup | 10:44 |
| ogra | thats normally PXE | 10:44 |
| trev0r | Neato, this is even easier than I thought it was going to be | 10:44 |
| trev0r | I guess the clients save files to something like an NFS volume on the server? | 10:44 |
| ogra | nope | 10:45 |
| trev0r | Where to then? | 10:45 |
| ogra | the clients mount their root fs via nfs from the server, start an X server and a login manager ... | 10:45 |
| ogra | if you log in in that application, they simply do: ssh -X serverip | 10:45 |
| ogra | which means you work directly on the server ... | 10:46 |
| ogra | imagine the clients like additional mice keyboards and diaplays to one big computer (the server) where everybody does his work | 10:46 |
| ogra | *displays | 10:46 |
| ogra | everything ahppens centralized ... | 10:47 |
| ogra | *happens | 10:47 |
| ogra | so you install an app only one time and its available for everyone .... | 10:47 |
| ogra | you only have to make backups of a single machine etc | 10:47 |
| trev0r | So the server stores all the files for a thin client, so they can log in from any computer and still get their files? | 10:47 |
| ogra | make a difference between users and clients :) | 10:48 |
| ogra | clients are only the keaboard/mouse/monitor device ... | 10:48 |
| roy_ | ogra: The sound works on 2 pcs and not on 2 others. Can I tweak the lts.conf file by adding the mac and then the module perameters? | 10:48 |
| trev0r | Ok, will s/thin client/user/ | 10:48 |
| ogra | users log in on the server and have their files stored there ... | 10:48 |
| ogra | roy_, try it, thats untested yet :) | 10:49 |
| trev0r | Ok, thats my question :) | 10:49 |
| trev0r | Do most network cards from ~6-7 years ago have PXE? | 10:50 |
| trev0r | Possibly newer | 10:50 |
| trev0r | I think that is when we last replaced them | 10:50 |
| ogra | might be ... if ou have the networkboot bios option, its likely to be PXE | 10:51 |
| trev0r | Well I'm not sure if it is there, I just figured it would be | 10:52 |
| trev0r | I'll be sure to come on tomorrow after I try | 10:52 |
| ogra | any time you like :) | 10:53 |
| trev0r | Now I am getting sick at how many machines we have thrown away | 10:55 |
| ogra | heh | 10:55 |
| trev0r | Is there a place I can see how well edubuntu runs on older machines? Like other people's experiences? | 10:56 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, talk to me in six months I should be able to give you a good idea of it | 10:56 |
| trev0r | I'll try to remember | 10:57 |
| Burgwork | in a matter of weeks I should be starting to sell Edubuntu and Ubuntu preinstalled recycled computers | 10:57 |
| ogra | Burgwork, really ? | 10:57 |
| ogra | WOW | 10:57 |
| Burgwork | and give away, I might add | 10:58 |
| Burgwork | something similiar to what whiprush is doing in detroit | 10:58 |
| ogra | wow | 10:58 |
| ogra | we'll get a world network for donations :) | 10:59 |
| roy_ | ogra_, I got another one to work I just changed the audio card. Can you direct me to any links on tweaking (tips and tricks) for Edubuntu (LTSP)? | 11:00 |
| ogra | roy_, not yet, the code isnt even two months old yet :) | 11:00 |
| ogra | i'm working on the docs for the release though | 11:01 |
| trev0r | Does anyone know if there is a Linux "learn to type program"? Because if there is a good one then I know we can replace a whole computer lab at my school | 11:01 |
| roy_ | I love bleeding edge. Anything you would be willing to direct me to would be awesome. | 11:01 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, there are two bundled with edubuntu. One as part of kdeedu and one called TuxType | 11:02 |
| ogra | roy_, but if you want to learn to know the code, have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client and /usr/sbin/ldm | 11:03 |
| trev0r | Burgwork: Ok | 11:03 |
| ogra | i think the kde one is ktype ... | 11:03 |
| ogra | tuxtype is rather a game ... | 11:03 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, TuxType is more game like | 11:03 |
| ogra | heh | 11:03 |
| roy_ | Thanks | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | http://tuxtype.sourceforge.net/screens/ | 11:04 |
| roy_ | On another subject do you know if Ubuntu (Edubuntu) supports software Raid5 yet? | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | http://edu.kde.org/ktouch/index.php | 11:04 |
| ogra | i run it on my personal server | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | ktouch, not ktype | 11:04 |
| trev0r | Well the one our keyboarding class uses now is a pretty serious program | 11:04 |
| ogra | ah, yes ktouch | 11:04 |
| trev0r | Old, but pretty well designed/written | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | http://ktouch.sourceforge.net/ | 11:04 |
| trev0r | I'll check them both out | 11:05 |
| ogra | software raid1 with lvm on top ... runs like a charm, raid5 shouldnt be any problem as well | 11:05 |
| trev0r | The main thing is that the teacher needs a way to check progress of all students and give grades easily | 11:05 |
| roy_ | Excellent, thanks | 11:05 |
| trev0r | Also have settings where the student can repeatedly try to get better grades on "tests" :) | 11:06 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, I don't either is network aware like that | 11:06 |
| trev0r | Burgwork: I didn't think they would be, but I was hoping | 11:06 |
| Burgwork | a nice pygtk typing program that was network aware would be great | 11:06 |
| ogra | gobby | 11:06 |
| ogra | :) | 11:06 |
| trev0r | Perhaps I will work on that and let ogra work on s-c-p | 11:07 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, ogra is the sole dev for edubuntu | 11:07 |
| ogra | i'm not sure if gobby has a plugin mechanism, but that would be a perfect gobby plugin | 11:07 |
| Burgwork | gobby needs to be a plugin to gedit, to be honest | 11:08 |
| ogra | typing tests networked .... you can directly monitor every change a student does | 11:08 |
| trev0r | I think I'd like to eventually be a Edubuntu dev, but I have a lot to learn | 11:08 |
| ogra | Burgwork, that too | 11:08 |
| trev0r | ogra: My friend is a member of 0x539 dev team :) | 11:08 |
| ogra | trev0r, thats great to hear, dont hassle to ask if you have questions | 11:08 |
| Burgwork | upstream turned down gobby for the desktop | 11:09 |
| ogra | cool | 11:09 |
| trev0r | Burgwork: I think they initially used gedit as some sort of backend but then decided not to for their own reasons | 11:09 |
| ogra | Burgwork, we had to drop it too ... | 11:09 |
| Burgwork | but they liked the idea of libgobby | 11:09 |
| ogra | upstream added a dependency on howl ... | 11:09 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, to a non-coder, it seems shortsighted | 11:09 |
| ogra | the last minute before UVF | 11:09 |
| trev0r | Burgwork: I'm sure they had good reasons, they are pretty capable developers | 11:10 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, I am certain they did, but still | 11:10 |
| Burgwork | I understand the gedit has a much nicer plugin system now, tht might have been it | 11:10 |
| ogra | Burgwork, gedit needs all of gnome ... that isnt windows compatible yet ... gobby runs on win, osX and linux | 11:11 |
| Burgwork | ya | 11:11 |
| Burgwork | to be fair, howl is only an issue for about half the linux distros | 11:12 |
| trev0r | What is the problem with howl? | 11:12 |
| ogra | licensing | 11:13 |
| Burgwork | the apsl is not considered free by debian et al | 11:13 |
| ogra | we cant put it in main | 11:13 |
| trev0r | Ahh, ok | 11:13 |
| trev0r | And Gobby depends on howl? | 11:13 |
| Burgwork | it can | 11:14 |
| Burgwork | avahi is an lgpl zeroconf framework, but it is fairly new | 11:14 |
| trev0r | howl is pretty nifty. I didn't realize it was APSL | 11:14 |
| ogra | it depends on a howl compatibility laver in avahi ... which will get dropped soon by upstream | 11:14 |
| Burgwork | trev0r, avahi does the same thing, without the nasty licensing issues | 11:15 |
| ogra | thats the reason we didnt include it at all in a release we have to support for 3 years | 11:15 |
| trev0r | I thought ubuntu has 18 months of support? | 11:15 |
| ogra | +not dapper | 11:16 |
| ogra | dapper is the first release with 3 year support on the desktop and 5 year support on the server | 11:16 |
| trev0r | Ahh, ok | 11:16 |
| trev0r | Thats neat | 11:16 |
| ogra | every 3rd or fourth release will be like that | 11:16 |
| Burgwork | hence why it is a great time to be starting to distribute computes with edubuntu and ubuntu one them | 11:18 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:18 |
| trev0r | Alright, I will report my experiences tomorrow around this time | 11:36 |
| trev0r | Bye! | 11:36 |
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