=== arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === morphineinduced [n=morphine@71-85-202-251.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:27] hey is there a forum for this distro..... or do they only help in the irc === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.30.110.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu [03:13] Anybody in here? [03:14] Can anyone tell me how to force a ltsp client to use a specific resolution? What I want is not listed in the dropdown. [03:15] Editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't seem to help. I see checksum or timestamp errors when the client is booting. === blt4mud [n=blt4mud@72.16.79.181] has joined #edubuntu [03:48] has anyone got edubuntu runing on laptop using wireless? === morphineinduced [n=morphine@71-85-202-251.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has left #edubuntu [] === morphineinduced [n=morphine@71-85-202-251.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === arkanox [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read? === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.134.119] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === TOZII [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.226.135.62.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] hi all [09:30] ogra [09:33] salut JaneW [09:33] hi Burglaptop [09:34] Burglaptop: I was caned yesterday for leaking info to you! ;) [09:35] JaneW: I see. By whom? [09:35] I don't intend to blog about it, if that is a concern [09:35] Burglaptop: by jdub - so it was kinda fun... [09:36] what did he say? [09:36] yes said he heard I had been leaking out info of the UWC [09:37] I told him our e-mail didn't say it was confidential so there :P [09:40] well I did email jdub and ask him straight up for sponsorship to Barcelona [09:41] I figured that I should go big or go home [09:47] JaneW: bon nuit [09:48] bonne nuit, even [09:48] night :) === Burglaptop is losing his French, piece by piece [09:52] whats Burgworks name again? [09:52] can't associate the nickname [10:00] Corey Burger [10:02] aaaah [10:02] doh [10:02] i that then his nick was burgundia or something === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.169] has joined #edubuntu [10:03] i guess this is the short version [10:04] its probably his computer at work [10:23] spacey: it was Burgundavia (Or something like that) [10:23] yeh [10:23] too difficult [10:24] guys we have a national public holidat tomorrow, for our Municipal Elections [10:24] holiday even [10:24] thats nice [10:24] :) [10:24] can someone else volunteer to run the weekly meeting? [10:24] I am voting, to hopefully improve on our municupal services, like POWER! [10:24] :D [10:25] long waiting line? [10:25] agenda is already there? [10:26] i can do it [10:27] usual edubuntu meetings are just 8pm on my side === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [11:54] hmm [11:55] how can i block certain users of using X [11:55] read thinclient === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === dsaa [i=dsaa@210.213.85.241] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === m1ckeyknox [n=igo-webm@64.8.34.150] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] good morning folks! [02:25] could anybody say if the i386 download on edubuntu.org is a live cd or an installation? === nao23 [n=bread@ip913509cf.speed.planet.nl] has joined #edubuntu [02:26] m1ckeyknox, the breezy version only has a install iso [02:26] is there a live cd available someplace? [02:26] for dapper (the april release) there is a liveCd ... but its still in development ... [02:27] I see. so... in a few more months you think? [02:27] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ [02:27] if you want to test it :) [02:27] note that the liveCD innstaller on this CD is in its early stages ... === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-44-138.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [02:28] myself... I'd love to... but I was hoping to be able to give the cd to my wife to have her try with a 5 yr old that she is watching for a friend. [02:28] We have a 3mo old son... and I'm looking forward to software like this progressing [02:28] figured we could use somebody else's kid as a guniea pig! [02:28] ;-) [02:28] evening Edubunteros! :D [02:28] heh [02:28] hey zakame [02:29] hello ogra! :-) === nao23 [n=bread@ip913509cf.speed.planet.nl] has left #edubuntu [] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.152] has joined #edubuntu [02:44] spacey: nice lab :)) [02:47] thanks:) [02:47] well actually its the whole school [02:47] lab itself its quite small [02:55] there are pc's in every classroom === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.127.221] has joined #edubuntu [03:02] nice :) [03:02] what ages are the children? === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: 15 Feb at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Sun Feb 19 01:11:18 2006 === bobulator [n=NRKbob@host-87-75-129-152.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:10] does anyone know how i can copy my whole home directory and keep the ownership and permissons in tact? [05:39] alright folks... I think I'm gonna stop idling in here... be back some other time. ;-) === m1ckeyknox [n=igo-webm@64.8.34.150] has left #edubuntu [""ttfn""] === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === dsaa [i=dsaa@210.213.91.166] has joined #edubuntu === bobulator [n=NRKbob@host-87-75-129-152.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:35] rarggh, and can smeone please tell me how i can set the max resolution for thin clients? i just cant remeber what file it is... [06:36] set HORIZ_SYNC and VERT_REFRESH in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf [06:37] ta! [06:38] see the exact params here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams [06:38] sorry, i meant bit depth [06:38] ah thanks! [06:38] color depth is only implemented in dapper ... === knight [n=knight@ip-12-30-102-190.hqglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:39] yeha im on dapper [06:39] you on dapper [06:39] cool [06:39] question [06:40] I have a thin client running tuxtype [06:40] but it runs choppy [06:41] I was told to compress the network connection but I still have a problem [06:42] hmm, im sure you got me to set the bit depth before. because laods of these graphics cards dont support 24 bit... [06:44] i definately edited some file that put it down to 8 bit :p [06:46] ok how do I do that [06:46] haha hang on, you need ogra not me [06:46] ok [06:47] thanks bobulator [06:47] listen how is the experience on dapper [06:51] i like it === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089E401.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === TOZTWO [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.252.246.178.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:00] Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read? [07:03] gcompris ? [07:05] now [07:05] how doo I make tuxtype work smoothly in a thin client === stendhal [n=stendhal@jem75-3-82-236-91-104.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:07] hello [07:07] you use edubuntu lol ? [07:09] why lol ? [07:10] yes [07:10] I am using edubuntu === TOZTWO uses edubuntu [07:10] the version for the tuxtype software is 1.0 === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084C4B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:16] Hello [07:16] any helo [07:16] help with the choppy graphics for tuxtype [07:18] I think that tuxtypes choppiness comes from too much network traffic...... [07:19] But I've been told that I was wrong about that.... [07:19] ok [07:19] so [07:20] If tuxtype has music, try turning it off. [07:20] no music at all [07:20] no sound on thin clients [07:22] I thought that tuxtype might be a good candidate for localapps, because of all the keyboard events, timimg, and screen updates. [07:23] its also very cpu intensive ... [07:23] ok [07:23] I have 512 ram in the client [07:24] and 400 mhz pentium II processor [07:25] that should be plenty for normal apps, i'm not sure what makes tuxtype so power hungry, but its a fact that it behaves this way ... i'll try to track that for the dapper release === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084C4B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-44-125.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:33] Try??? [08:06] You can always track it yourself. [08:19] track it myself?? [08:20] Yup. It's Open Source. I'd track it, but I lack skillz. === TOZTWO is now known as TOZAFK === singy [n=christop@chello062178159218.10.14.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #edubuntu [09:12] hi, doese anyone if there is a reason that there is no edubuntu live? [09:13] yes, i didnt have time to make more than whats there in breezy, we started very late in the develpment cycle ... [09:14] this changed for the upcoming release :) [09:14] here is an alpha release of the upcoming april version of edubuntu, including a live CD [09:14] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ [09:15] Ah thanks, I think its very important for edubuntu, tu show it in schools ........ [09:16] yup [09:16] ogra_, evening [09:16] hey juliux [09:17] ogra_, it is possible that you send ous for the linuxtag in wiesbaden some thinclients so we can show that you can use every kind of thinclient? [09:17] juliux, i'm pretty sure i'll be there anyway :) [09:17] the idea is to have a little lab there on the booth [09:17] cool [09:18] that is great === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === roy_ [n=roy@71.194.146.11] has joined #edubuntu [09:35] Anyone here? [09:35] nope, not really [09:36] :P [09:36] Could you answer a couple of questions? [09:37] :orga [09:37] :ogra [09:39] roy_, sure [09:40] Will sound work on the clients [09:41] And I noticed that only one session of firefox can be opened at one time [09:42] I have a 64bit edubuntu server with the 32bit client installed [09:42] I am using flight 4 [09:44] sound should work if you enable it in the lts.conf file [09:44] just set SOUND=Y or SOUND=True there [09:45] gotcha just like k12ltsp === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [09:51] There is no lts.conf in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directory. Do I create it there based on the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf [09:54] just create one with the line: [09:55] [default] SOUND=Y [09:55] that should do it [10:03] thanks : ) [10:03] How about the firefox issue? Does it have something to do with my server being 64bit? [10:04] i havent heard about such an issue yet... [10:05] you are using different user accounts and the second one cant start firefox ? [10:06] As I sent it I realized my duh! Exactly I was trying it with the same account I am logged on the server with [10:08] i'll look into that issue (multiple users with same account) for the next release, i want a kiosk mode with optional auto login for october ... [10:09] I have to admit I impressed so far. Very clean. Nice work. [10:10] I just tried the audio and still no luck. Do I tweak the ltsfile like I did in K12? === trev0r [n=trevor@64.149.56.172] has joined #edubuntu === trev0r [n=trevor@64.149.56.172] has joined #edubuntu [10:13] Where can I find more information about TeachersPet? I think I'd like to help develop it [10:14] roy_, there should be no further need for tweaks, it should work out of the box [10:14] trev0r, the initial attempt is in dapper, apt-get source student-control-panel [10:14] Do you know if they are still using pygtk like the wiki says? [10:15] (I'm not on a machine where I can check easily right now) [10:15] trev0r, the only developer of teacherspet is ogra [10:16] trev0r, yes, its still using pygtk [10:16] i also have a bzr archive of it, if you want to branch [10:17] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ [10:18] Currently I only have a Macintosh install at my home, so I'll test when I'm at school [10:18] I'll give the source a looking over, though [10:18] oki [10:19] there is a lot disabled code in the current release thats not mature enough yet ... [10:20] So Teacher's Pet probably won't be ready until Dapper+1? [10:20] (Is that still the name?) [10:21] nope, student-control-panel is the name, teachers pet is only the spec [10:21] Oh, ok [10:22] the current version can show logged in users, enables you to view their processes and to log them out ... [10:22] Ok [10:22] since we doint have any other app thats working with ubuntu ltsp yet, thats how it will go into dapper [10:23] to give you at least the features that are available already [10:24] I'm not even 100% sure that the Edubuntu install I have is going to work now. I just pressed enter a few times and now that I am looking at InstallNotes wiki page, I think I needed to type workstation besides just hitting at boot [10:25] I will see tomorrow morning. I just left the install going and left [10:25] if you want to work on s-c-p, a ltsp environment is quite handy to test your features :) [10:26] Basically we have a ton of old old computers, just pentium with 64mb of ram and 6gb of disk space [10:26] Yea, so do I need to install server or workstation on another one now? [10:27] Because I guess I have a ltsp install going [10:27] if you did the default install, you should just follow the install notes, edit your dhcpd.conf as advised there and then just boot a PXE driven thin client ... [10:27] I'm not sure what PXE means [10:27] should work out of the box... [10:28] PXE is the network bootprotocol we use by default [10:28] its built in in most newer network cards [10:28] So the thin clients boot from a server? [10:29] the network card asks for an ip and for a kernel ... the server provides that kernel which then boots the workstation [10:29] Ok [10:29] So tomorrow I will do a server install [10:29] during boot the wrokstation mounts the filesystem from the server via the network [10:29] Probably should have done that first [10:29] the default install is a server install [10:29] Oh, my terms I messed up, :) [10:30] So the workstation is the thin client? [10:30] the so called "server" install is sadly inherited from ubuntu, the appropriate name would be "minimal" [10:30] it only installs a bare minimum system that can boot, no software at all [10:30] Ahh, ok [10:30] the workstation install is for standalone desktops [10:31] and the default install is in fact a classroom ltsp server ... [10:31] Ok, I am going to need to put another network card in the server then, I think [10:31] and for ltsp you dont need to install anything on the clients ... they netboot [10:31] if you dont have PXE capable network cards, you will need a bootfloppy or CD [10:32] Well I will just see tomorrow if they are PXE capable :) [10:32] Possibly, anyways. Installs take forever on these machines [10:32] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe [10:32] as i said, you wont need to install anything on them [10:33] Not even "workstation" mode? [10:33] Ahh, ok [10:33] I reread what you said [10:33] Sorry :) [10:33] workstation mode is for students that use edubuntu at home on a single computer [10:34] Ok ok ok, gotcha now [10:34] Right now my server has one network card which is getting internet access from a switch in the room [10:35] 90.0.0.140 is its IP [10:35] Should I put another network card in it and then plug it into another switch and then run a cord from a switch to each "thin client"? [10:36] thats a possible setup, yes [10:36] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiring [10:36] has some examples [10:37] Cool [10:37] Yea, the two network card setup is definitely the one I need to get going [10:38] That is the way all out computer laps are setup now [10:38] our* [10:38] The are Windows machines, currently [10:40] if you netboot, you can even leave the old windows on the disks ;) [10:42] Cool, so I could just walk into a computer lab with a edubuntu server and get the whole lab going pretty quickly then? [10:43] if the clients all have pxe capable network cards, its a no brainer, yes :) [10:43] if not, you have to make bootfloppies/bootCDs for the clients first [10:43] to teach the cards to do network booting :) [10:43] I guess I just tell the BIOS to boot from the network card, if possible, first? [10:44] yup [10:44] thats normally PXE [10:44] Neato, this is even easier than I thought it was going to be [10:44] I guess the clients save files to something like an NFS volume on the server? [10:45] nope [10:45] Where to then? [10:45] the clients mount their root fs via nfs from the server, start an X server and a login manager ... [10:45] if you log in in that application, they simply do: ssh -X serverip [10:46] which means you work directly on the server ... [10:46] imagine the clients like additional mice keyboards and diaplays to one big computer (the server) where everybody does his work [10:46] *displays [10:47] everything ahppens centralized ... [10:47] *happens [10:47] so you install an app only one time and its available for everyone .... [10:47] you only have to make backups of a single machine etc [10:47] So the server stores all the files for a thin client, so they can log in from any computer and still get their files? [10:48] make a difference between users and clients :) [10:48] clients are only the keaboard/mouse/monitor device ... [10:48] ogra: The sound works on 2 pcs and not on 2 others. Can I tweak the lts.conf file by adding the mac and then the module perameters? [10:48] Ok, will s/thin client/user/ [10:48] users log in on the server and have their files stored there ... [10:49] roy_, try it, thats untested yet :) [10:49] Ok, thats my question :) [10:50] Do most network cards from ~6-7 years ago have PXE? [10:50] Possibly newer [10:50] I think that is when we last replaced them [10:51] might be ... if ou have the networkboot bios option, its likely to be PXE [10:52] Well I'm not sure if it is there, I just figured it would be [10:52] I'll be sure to come on tomorrow after I try [10:53] any time you like :) [10:55] Now I am getting sick at how many machines we have thrown away [10:55] heh [10:56] Is there a place I can see how well edubuntu runs on older machines? Like other people's experiences? [10:56] trev0r, talk to me in six months I should be able to give you a good idea of it [10:57] I'll try to remember [10:57] in a matter of weeks I should be starting to sell Edubuntu and Ubuntu preinstalled recycled computers [10:57] Burgwork, really ? [10:57] WOW [10:58] and give away, I might add [10:58] something similiar to what whiprush is doing in detroit [10:58] wow [10:59] we'll get a world network for donations :) [11:00] ogra_, I got another one to work I just changed the audio card. Can you direct me to any links on tweaking (tips and tricks) for Edubuntu (LTSP)? [11:00] roy_, not yet, the code isnt even two months old yet :) [11:01] i'm working on the docs for the release though [11:01] Does anyone know if there is a Linux "learn to type program"? Because if there is a good one then I know we can replace a whole computer lab at my school [11:01] I love bleeding edge. Anything you would be willing to direct me to would be awesome. [11:02] trev0r, there are two bundled with edubuntu. One as part of kdeedu and one called TuxType [11:03] roy_, but if you want to learn to know the code, have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client and /usr/sbin/ldm [11:03] Burgwork: Ok [11:03] i think the kde one is ktype ... [11:03] tuxtype is rather a game ... [11:03] trev0r, TuxType is more game like [11:03] heh [11:04] Thanks [11:04] http://tuxtype.sourceforge.net/screens/ [11:04] On another subject do you know if Ubuntu (Edubuntu) supports software Raid5 yet? [11:04] http://edu.kde.org/ktouch/index.php [11:04] i run it on my personal server [11:04] ktouch, not ktype [11:04] Well the one our keyboarding class uses now is a pretty serious program [11:04] ah, yes ktouch [11:04] Old, but pretty well designed/written [11:04] http://ktouch.sourceforge.net/ [11:05] I'll check them both out [11:05] software raid1 with lvm on top ... runs like a charm, raid5 shouldnt be any problem as well [11:05] The main thing is that the teacher needs a way to check progress of all students and give grades easily [11:05] Excellent, thanks [11:06] Also have settings where the student can repeatedly try to get better grades on "tests" :) [11:06] trev0r, I don't either is network aware like that [11:06] Burgwork: I didn't think they would be, but I was hoping [11:06] a nice pygtk typing program that was network aware would be great [11:06] gobby [11:06] :) [11:07] Perhaps I will work on that and let ogra work on s-c-p [11:07] trev0r, ogra is the sole dev for edubuntu [11:07] i'm not sure if gobby has a plugin mechanism, but that would be a perfect gobby plugin [11:08] gobby needs to be a plugin to gedit, to be honest [11:08] typing tests networked .... you can directly monitor every change a student does [11:08] I think I'd like to eventually be a Edubuntu dev, but I have a lot to learn [11:08] Burgwork, that too [11:08] ogra: My friend is a member of 0x539 dev team :) [11:08] trev0r, thats great to hear, dont hassle to ask if you have questions [11:09] upstream turned down gobby for the desktop [11:09] cool [11:09] Burgwork: I think they initially used gedit as some sort of backend but then decided not to for their own reasons [11:09] Burgwork, we had to drop it too ... [11:09] but they liked the idea of libgobby [11:09] upstream added a dependency on howl ... [11:09] trev0r, to a non-coder, it seems shortsighted [11:09] the last minute before UVF [11:10] Burgwork: I'm sure they had good reasons, they are pretty capable developers [11:10] trev0r, I am certain they did, but still [11:10] I understand the gedit has a much nicer plugin system now, tht might have been it [11:11] Burgwork, gedit needs all of gnome ... that isnt windows compatible yet ... gobby runs on win, osX and linux [11:11] ya [11:12] to be fair, howl is only an issue for about half the linux distros [11:12] What is the problem with howl? [11:13] licensing [11:13] the apsl is not considered free by debian et al [11:13] we cant put it in main [11:13] Ahh, ok [11:13] And Gobby depends on howl? [11:14] it can [11:14] avahi is an lgpl zeroconf framework, but it is fairly new [11:14] howl is pretty nifty. I didn't realize it was APSL [11:14] it depends on a howl compatibility laver in avahi ... which will get dropped soon by upstream [11:15] trev0r, avahi does the same thing, without the nasty licensing issues [11:15] thats the reason we didnt include it at all in a release we have to support for 3 years [11:15] I thought ubuntu has 18 months of support? [11:16] +not dapper [11:16] dapper is the first release with 3 year support on the desktop and 5 year support on the server [11:16] Ahh, ok [11:16] Thats neat [11:16] every 3rd or fourth release will be like that [11:18] hence why it is a great time to be starting to distribute computes with edubuntu and ubuntu one them [11:18] yeah [11:36] Alright, I will report my experiences tomorrow around this time [11:36] Bye! === rstory [n=myob@vb.futz.org] has joined #edubuntu [12:05] how much disk space is needed for an edubuntu install?