[02:27] <morphineinduced> hey is there a forum for this distro..... or do they only help in the irc
[03:13] <gctaylor> Anybody in here?
[03:14] <gctaylor> Can anyone tell me how to force a ltsp client to use a specific resolution?  What I want is not listed in the dropdown.
[03:15] <gctaylor> Editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't seem to help.  I see checksum or timestamp errors when the client is booting.
[03:48] <blt4mud> has anyone got edubuntu runing on laptop using wireless?
[06:01] <TOZTWO> Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read?
[09:30] <JaneW> hi all
[09:30] <JaneW> ogra
[09:33] <Burglaptop> salut JaneW
[09:33] <JaneW> hi Burglaptop 
[09:34] <JaneW> Burglaptop: I was caned yesterday for leaking info to you! ;)
[09:35] <Burglaptop> JaneW: I see. By whom?
[09:35] <Burglaptop> I don't intend to blog about it, if that is a concern
[09:35] <JaneW> Burglaptop: by jdub - so it was kinda fun...
[09:36] <Burglaptop> what did he say?
[09:36] <JaneW> yes said he heard I had been leaking out info of the UWC
[09:37] <JaneW> I told him our e-mail didn't say it was confidential so there :P
[09:40] <Burglaptop> well I did email jdub and ask him straight up for sponsorship to Barcelona
[09:41] <Burglaptop> I figured that I should go big or go home
[09:47] <Burglaptop> JaneW: bon nuit
[09:48] <Burglaptop> bonne nuit, even
[09:48] <JaneW> night :)
[09:52] <spacey> whats Burgworks name again?
[09:52] <spacey> can't associate the nickname
[10:00] <jsgotangco> Corey Burger
[10:02] <spacey> aaaah
[10:02] <spacey> doh
[10:02] <spacey> i that then his nick was burgundia or something
[10:03] <spacey> i guess this is the short version
[10:04] <jsgotangco> its probably his computer at work
[10:23] <JaneW> spacey: it was Burgundavia (Or something like that)
[10:23] <spacey> yeh
[10:23] <spacey> too difficult
[10:24] <JaneW> guys we have a national public holidat tomorrow, for our Municipal Elections
[10:24] <JaneW> holiday even
[10:24] <spacey> thats nice
[10:24] <spacey> :)
[10:24] <JaneW> can someone else volunteer to run the weekly meeting?
[10:24] <JaneW> I am voting, to hopefully improve on our municupal services, like POWER!
[10:24] <spacey> :D
[10:25] <spacey> long waiting line?
[10:25] <spacey> agenda is already there?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> i can do it
[10:27] <jsgotangco> usual edubuntu meetings are just 8pm on my side
[11:54] <spacey> hmm
[11:55] <spacey> how can i block certain users of using X
[11:55] <spacey> read thinclient
[02:24] <m1ckeyknox> good morning folks!
[02:25] <m1ckeyknox> could anybody say if the i386 download on edubuntu.org is a live cd or an installation?
[02:26] <ogra> m1ckeyknox, the breezy version only has a install iso 
[02:26] <m1ckeyknox> is there a live cd available someplace?
[02:26] <ogra> for dapper (the april release) there is a liveCd ... but its still in development ...
[02:27] <m1ckeyknox> I see. so... in a few more months you think?
[02:27] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
[02:27] <ogra> if you want to test it :)
[02:27] <ogra> note that the liveCD innstaller on this CD is in its early stages ...
[02:28] <m1ckeyknox> myself... I'd love to... but I was hoping to be able to give the cd to my wife to have her try with a 5 yr old that she is watching for a friend.
[02:28] <m1ckeyknox> We have a 3mo old son... and I'm looking forward to software like this progressing
[02:28] <m1ckeyknox> figured we could use somebody else's kid as a guniea pig!
[02:28] <m1ckeyknox> ;-)
[02:28] <zakame> evening Edubunteros! :D
[02:28] <ogra> heh
[02:28] <ogra> hey zakame 
[02:29] <zakame> hello ogra! :-)
[02:44] <JaneW> spacey: nice lab :))
[02:47] <spacey> thanks:)
[02:47] <spacey> well actually its the whole school
[02:47] <spacey> lab itself its quite small
[02:55] <spacey> there are pc's in every classroom
[03:02] <JaneW> nice :)
[03:02] <JaneW> what ages are the children?
[05:10] <bobulator> does anyone know how i can copy my whole home directory and keep the ownership and permissons in tact?
[05:39] <m1ckeyknox> alright folks... I think I'm gonna stop idling in here... be back some other time. ;-)
[06:35] <bobulator> rarggh, and can smeone please tell me how i can set the max resolution for thin clients? i just cant remeber what file it is...
[06:36] <ogra> set HORIZ_SYNC and VERT_REFRESH in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[06:37] <bobulator> ta!
[06:38] <ogra> see the exact params here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[06:38] <bobulator> sorry, i meant bit depth
[06:38] <bobulator> ah thanks!
[06:38] <ogra> color depth is only implemented in dapper ...
[06:39] <bobulator> yeha im on dapper
[06:39] <knight> you on dapper
[06:39] <knight> cool
[06:39] <knight> question 
[06:40] <knight> I have a thin client running tuxtype
[06:40] <knight> but it runs choppy 
[06:41] <knight> I was told to compress the network connection but I still have a problem
[06:42] <bobulator> hmm, im sure you got me to set the bit depth before.  because laods of these graphics cards dont support 24 bit...
[06:44] <bobulator> i definately edited some file that put it down to 8 bit :p
[06:46] <knight> ok how do I do that
[06:46] <bobulator> haha hang on, you need ogra not me
[06:46] <knight> ok 
[06:47] <knight> thanks bobulator
[06:47] <knight> listen how is the experience on dapper
[06:51] <bobulator> i like it
[07:00] <TOZTWO> Is there any software in edubuntu that teaches people to read?
[07:03] <ogra_> gcompris ?
[07:05] <knight> now
[07:05] <knight> how doo I make tuxtype work smoothly in a thin client
[07:07] <stendhal> hello
[07:07] <stendhal> you use edubuntu lol ?
[07:09] <ogra_> why lol ?
[07:10] <knight> yes
[07:10] <knight> I am using edubuntu 
[07:10] <knight> the version for the tuxtype software is 1.0
[07:16] <knight> Hello
[07:16] <knight> any helo
[07:16] <knight> help with the choppy graphics for tuxtype
[07:18] <TOZTWO> I think that tuxtypes choppiness comes from too much network traffic......
[07:19] <TOZTWO> But I've been told that I was wrong about that....
[07:19] <knight> ok 
[07:19] <knight> so 
[07:20] <TOZTWO> If tuxtype has music, try turning it off.
[07:20] <knight> no music at all
[07:20] <knight> no sound on thin clients
[07:22] <TOZTWO> I thought that tuxtype might be a good candidate for localapps, because of all the keyboard events, timimg, and screen updates.
[07:23] <ogra_> its also very cpu intensive ...
[07:23] <knight> ok 
[07:23] <knight> I have 512 ram in the client
[07:24] <knight> and 400 mhz pentium II processor
[07:25] <ogra_> that should be plenty for normal apps, i'm not sure what makes tuxtype so power hungry, but its a fact that it behaves this way ... i'll try to track that for the dapper release
[07:33] <knight> Try???
[08:06] <TOZTWO> You can always track it yourself.
[08:19] <knight> track it myself??
[08:20] <TOZTWO> Yup. It's Open Source. I'd track it, but I lack skillz.
[09:12] <singy> hi, doese anyone if there is a reason that there is no edubuntu live?
[09:13] <ogra_> yes, i didnt have time to make more than whats there in breezy, we started very late in the develpment cycle ...
[09:14] <ogra_> this changed for the upcoming release :)
[09:14] <ogra_> here is an alpha release of the upcoming april version of edubuntu, including a live CD
[09:14] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
[09:15] <singy> Ah thanks, I think its very important for edubuntu, tu show it in schools ........
[09:16] <ogra_> yup
[09:16] <juliux> ogra_, evening
[09:16] <ogra_> hey juliux 
[09:17] <juliux> ogra_, it is possible that you send ous for the linuxtag in wiesbaden some thinclients so we can show that you can use every kind of thinclient?
[09:17] <ogra> juliux, i'm pretty sure i'll be there anyway :)
[09:17] <juliux> the idea is to have a little lab there on the booth
[09:17] <juliux> cool
[09:18] <juliux> that is great
[09:35] <roy_> Anyone here?
[09:35] <Burgwork> nope, not really
[09:36] <Burgwork> :P
[09:36] <roy_> Could you answer a couple of questions?
[09:37] <roy_> :orga
[09:37] <roy_> :ogra
[09:39] <Burgwork> roy_, sure
[09:40] <roy_> Will sound work on the clients
[09:41] <roy_> And I noticed that only one session of firefox can be opened at one time
[09:42] <roy_> I have a 64bit edubuntu server with the 32bit client installed
[09:42] <roy_> I am using flight 4
[09:44] <ogra> sound should work if you enable it in the lts.conf file 
[09:44] <ogra> just set SOUND=Y or SOUND=True there 
[09:45] <roy_> gotcha just like k12ltsp
[09:51] <roy_> There is no lts.conf in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directory. Do I create it there based on the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
[09:54] <ogra> just create one with the line:
[09:55] <ogra> [default]     SOUND=Y
[09:55] <ogra> that should do it
[10:03] <roy_> thanks : )  
[10:03] <roy_> How about the firefox issue? Does it have something to do with my server being 64bit?
[10:04] <ogra> i havent heard about such an issue yet...
[10:05] <ogra> you are using different user accounts and the second one cant start firefox ?
[10:06] <roy_> As I sent it I realized my duh! Exactly I was trying it with the same account I am logged on the server with
[10:08] <ogra> i'll look into that issue (multiple users with same account) for the next release, i want a kiosk mode with optional auto login for october ...
[10:09] <roy_> I have to admit I impressed so far. Very clean. Nice work. 
[10:10] <roy_> I just tried the audio and still no luck. Do I tweak the ltsfile like I did in K12?
[10:13] <trev0r> Where can I find more information about TeachersPet?  I think I'd like to help develop it
[10:14] <ogra> roy_, there should be no further need for tweaks, it should work out of the box
[10:14] <ogra> trev0r, the initial attempt is in dapper, apt-get source student-control-panel
[10:14] <trev0r> Do you know if they are still using pygtk like the wiki says?
[10:15] <trev0r> (I'm not on a machine where I can check easily right now)
[10:15] <Burgwork> trev0r, the only developer of teacherspet is ogra
[10:16] <ogra> trev0r, yes, its still using pygtk 
[10:16] <ogra> i also have a bzr archive of it, if you want to branch 
[10:17] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[10:18] <trev0r> Currently I only have a Macintosh install at my home, so I'll test when I'm at school
[10:18] <trev0r> I'll give the source a looking over, though
[10:18] <ogra> oki
[10:19] <ogra> there is a lot disabled code in the current release thats not mature enough yet ...
[10:20] <trev0r> So Teacher's Pet probably won't be ready until Dapper+1?
[10:20] <trev0r> (Is that still the name?)
[10:21] <ogra> nope, student-control-panel is the name, teachers pet is only the spec
[10:21] <trev0r> Oh, ok
[10:22] <ogra> the current version can show logged in users, enables you to view their processes and to log them out ...
[10:22] <trev0r> Ok
[10:22] <ogra> since we doint have any other app thats working with ubuntu ltsp yet, thats how it will go into dapper
[10:23] <ogra> to give you at least the features that are available already
[10:24] <trev0r> I'm not even 100% sure that the Edubuntu install I have is going to work now.  I just pressed enter a few times and now that I am looking at InstallNotes wiki page, I think I needed to type workstation besides just hitting <enter> at boot
[10:25] <trev0r> I will see tomorrow morning.  I just left the install going and left
[10:25] <ogra> if you want to work on s-c-p, a ltsp environment is quite handy to test your features :)
[10:26] <trev0r> Basically we have a ton of old old computers, just pentium with 64mb of ram and 6gb of disk space
[10:26] <trev0r> Yea, so do I need to install server or workstation on another one now?
[10:27] <trev0r> Because I guess I have a ltsp install going
[10:27] <ogra> if you did the default install, you should just follow the install notes, edit your dhcpd.conf as advised there and then just boot a PXE driven thin client ...
[10:27] <trev0r> I'm not sure what PXE means
[10:27] <ogra> should work out of the box...
[10:28] <ogra> PXE is the network bootprotocol we use by default
[10:28] <ogra> its built in in most newer network cards
[10:28] <trev0r> So the thin clients boot from a server?
[10:29] <ogra> the network card asks for an ip and for a kernel ... the server provides that kernel which then boots the workstation
[10:29] <trev0r> Ok
[10:29] <trev0r> So tomorrow I will do a server install
[10:29] <ogra> during boot the wrokstation mounts the filesystem from the server via the network
[10:29] <trev0r> Probably should have done that first
[10:29] <ogra> the default install is a server install
[10:29] <trev0r> Oh, my terms I messed up, :)
[10:30] <trev0r> So the workstation is the thin client?
[10:30] <ogra> the so called "server" install is sadly inherited from ubuntu, the appropriate name would be "minimal"
[10:30] <ogra> it only installs a bare minimum system that can boot, no software at all
[10:30] <trev0r> Ahh, ok
[10:30] <ogra> the workstation install is for standalone desktops
[10:31] <ogra> and the default install is in fact a classroom ltsp server ...
[10:31] <trev0r> Ok, I am going to need to put another network card in the server then, I think
[10:31] <ogra> and for ltsp you dont need to install anything on the clients ... they netboot
[10:31] <ogra> if you dont have PXE capable network cards, you will need a bootfloppy or CD
[10:32] <trev0r> Well I will just see tomorrow if they are PXE capable :)
[10:32] <trev0r> Possibly, anyways.  Installs take forever on these machines
[10:32] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[10:32] <ogra> as i said, you wont need to install anything on them 
[10:33] <trev0r> Not even "workstation" mode?
[10:33] <trev0r> Ahh, ok
[10:33] <trev0r> I reread what you said
[10:33] <trev0r> Sorry :)
[10:33] <ogra> workstation mode is for students that use edubuntu at home on a single computer 
[10:34] <trev0r> Ok ok ok, gotcha now
[10:34] <trev0r> Right now my server has one network card which is getting internet access from a switch in the room
[10:35] <trev0r> 90.0.0.140 is its IP
[10:35] <trev0r> Should I put another network card in it and then plug it into another switch and then run a cord from a switch to each "thin client"?
[10:36] <ogra> thats a possible setup, yes
[10:36] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiring
[10:36] <ogra> has some examples
[10:37] <trev0r> Cool
[10:37] <trev0r> Yea, the two network card setup is definitely the one I need to get going
[10:38] <trev0r> That is the way all out computer laps are setup now
[10:38] <trev0r> our*
[10:38] <trev0r> The are Windows machines, currently
[10:40] <ogra> if you netboot, you can even leave the old windows on the disks ;) 
[10:42] <trev0r> Cool, so I could just walk into a computer lab with a edubuntu server and get the whole lab going pretty quickly then?
[10:43] <ogra> if the clients all have pxe capable network cards, its a no brainer, yes :)
[10:43] <ogra> if not, you have to make bootfloppies/bootCDs for the clients first 
[10:43] <ogra> to teach the cards to do network booting :)
[10:43] <trev0r> I guess I just tell the BIOS to boot from the network card, if possible, first?
[10:44] <ogra> yup
[10:44] <ogra> thats normally PXE 
[10:44] <trev0r> Neato, this is even easier than I thought it was going to be
[10:44] <trev0r> I guess the clients save files to something like an NFS volume on the server?
[10:45] <ogra> nope
[10:45] <trev0r> Where to then?
[10:45] <ogra> the clients mount their root fs via nfs from the server, start an X server and a login manager ...
[10:45] <ogra> if you log in in that application, they simply do: ssh -X serverip
[10:46] <ogra> which means you work directly on the server ...
[10:46] <ogra> imagine the clients like additional mice keyboards and diaplays to one big computer (the server) where everybody does his work
[10:46] <ogra> *displays
[10:47] <ogra> everything ahppens centralized ...
[10:47] <ogra> *happens
[10:47] <ogra> so you install an app only one time and its available for everyone ....
[10:47] <ogra> you only have to make backups of a single machine etc
[10:47] <trev0r> So the server stores all the files for a thin client, so they can log in from any computer and still get their files?
[10:48] <ogra> make a difference between users and clients :)
[10:48] <ogra> clients are only the keaboard/mouse/monitor device ...
[10:48] <roy_> ogra: The sound works on 2 pcs and not on 2 others. Can I tweak the lts.conf file by adding the mac and then the module perameters?
[10:48] <trev0r> Ok, will s/thin client/user/
[10:48] <ogra> users log in on the server and have their files stored there ...
[10:49] <ogra> roy_, try it, thats untested yet :)
[10:49] <trev0r> Ok, thats my question :)
[10:50] <trev0r> Do most network cards from ~6-7 years ago have PXE?
[10:50] <trev0r> Possibly newer
[10:50] <trev0r> I think that is when we last replaced them
[10:51] <ogra> might be ... if ou have the networkboot bios option, its likely to be PXE 
[10:52] <trev0r> Well I'm not sure if it is there, I just figured it would be
[10:52] <trev0r> I'll be sure to come on tomorrow after I try
[10:53] <ogra> any time you like :)
[10:55] <trev0r> Now I am getting sick at how many machines we have thrown away
[10:55] <ogra> heh
[10:56] <trev0r> Is there a place I can see how well edubuntu runs on older machines?  Like other people's experiences?
[10:56] <Burgwork> trev0r, talk to me in six months I should be able to give you a good idea of it
[10:57] <trev0r> I'll try to remember
[10:57] <Burgwork> in a matter of weeks I should be starting to sell Edubuntu and Ubuntu preinstalled recycled computers
[10:57] <ogra> Burgwork, really ? 
[10:57] <ogra> WOW
[10:58] <Burgwork> and give away, I might add
[10:58] <Burgwork> something similiar to what whiprush is doing in detroit
[10:58] <ogra> wow
[10:59] <ogra> we'll get a world network for donations :)
[11:00] <roy_> ogra_, I got another one to work I just changed the audio card. Can you direct me to any links on tweaking (tips and tricks) for Edubuntu (LTSP)?
[11:00] <ogra> roy_, not yet, the code isnt even two months old yet :)
[11:01] <ogra> i'm working on the docs for the release though
[11:01] <trev0r> Does anyone know if there is a Linux "learn to type program"?  Because if there is a good one then I know we can replace a whole computer lab at my school
[11:01] <roy_> I love bleeding edge. Anything you would be willing to direct me to would be awesome. 
[11:02] <Burgwork> trev0r, there are two bundled with edubuntu. One as part of kdeedu and one called TuxType
[11:03] <ogra> roy_, but if you want to learn to know the code, have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client and /usr/sbin/ldm  
[11:03] <trev0r> Burgwork: Ok
[11:03] <ogra> i think the kde one is ktype ...
[11:03] <ogra> tuxtype is rather a game ...
[11:03] <Burgwork> trev0r, TuxType is more game like
[11:03] <ogra> heh
[11:04] <roy_> Thanks
[11:04] <Burgwork> http://tuxtype.sourceforge.net/screens/
[11:04] <roy_> On another subject do you know if Ubuntu (Edubuntu) supports software Raid5 yet?
[11:04] <Burgwork> http://edu.kde.org/ktouch/index.php
[11:04] <ogra> i run it on my personal server 
[11:04] <Burgwork> ktouch, not ktype
[11:04] <trev0r> Well the one our keyboarding class uses now is a pretty serious program
[11:04] <ogra> ah, yes ktouch
[11:04] <trev0r> Old, but pretty well designed/written
[11:04] <Burgwork> http://ktouch.sourceforge.net/
[11:05] <trev0r> I'll check them both out
[11:05] <ogra> software raid1 with lvm on top ... runs like a charm, raid5 shouldnt be any problem as well
[11:05] <trev0r> The main thing is that the teacher needs a way to check progress of all students and give grades easily
[11:05] <roy_> Excellent, thanks
[11:06] <trev0r> Also have settings where the student can repeatedly try to get better grades on "tests" :)
[11:06] <Burgwork> trev0r, I don't either is network aware like that
[11:06] <trev0r> Burgwork: I didn't think they would be, but I was hoping
[11:06] <Burgwork> a nice pygtk typing program that was network aware would be great
[11:06] <ogra> gobby
[11:06] <ogra> :)
[11:07] <trev0r> Perhaps I will work on that and let ogra work on s-c-p
[11:07] <Burgwork> trev0r, ogra is the sole dev for edubuntu
[11:07] <ogra> i'm not sure if gobby has a plugin mechanism, but that would be a perfect gobby plugin
[11:08] <Burgwork> gobby needs to be a plugin to gedit, to be honest
[11:08] <ogra> typing tests networked .... you can directly monitor every change a student does
[11:08] <trev0r> I think I'd like to eventually be a Edubuntu dev, but I have a lot to learn
[11:08] <ogra> Burgwork, that too
[11:08] <trev0r> ogra: My friend is a member of 0x539 dev team :)
[11:08] <ogra> trev0r, thats great to hear, dont hassle to ask if you have questions 
[11:09] <Burgwork> upstream turned down gobby for the desktop
[11:09] <ogra> cool
[11:09] <trev0r> Burgwork: I think they initially used gedit as some sort of backend but then decided not to for their own reasons
[11:09] <ogra> Burgwork, we had to drop it too ...
[11:09] <Burgwork> but they liked the idea of libgobby
[11:09] <ogra> upstream added a dependency on howl ...
[11:09] <Burgwork> trev0r, to a non-coder, it seems shortsighted
[11:09] <ogra> the last minute before UVF
[11:10] <trev0r> Burgwork: I'm sure they had good reasons, they are pretty capable developers
[11:10] <Burgwork> trev0r, I am certain they did, but still
[11:10] <Burgwork> I understand the gedit has a much nicer plugin system now, tht might have been it
[11:11] <ogra> Burgwork, gedit needs all of gnome ... that isnt windows compatible yet ... gobby runs on win, osX and linux
[11:11] <Burgwork> ya
[11:12] <Burgwork> to be fair, howl is only an issue for about half the linux distros
[11:12] <trev0r> What is the problem with howl?
[11:13] <ogra> licensing 
[11:13] <Burgwork> the apsl is not considered free by debian et al
[11:13] <ogra> we cant put it in main 
[11:13] <trev0r> Ahh, ok
[11:13] <trev0r> And Gobby depends on howl?
[11:14] <Burgwork> it can
[11:14] <Burgwork> avahi is an lgpl zeroconf framework, but it is fairly new
[11:14] <trev0r> howl is pretty nifty.  I didn't realize it was APSL
[11:14] <ogra> it depends on a howl compatibility laver in avahi ... which will get dropped soon by upstream
[11:15] <Burgwork> trev0r, avahi does the same thing, without the nasty licensing issues
[11:15] <ogra> thats the reason we didnt include it at all in a release we have to support for 3 years
[11:15] <trev0r> I thought ubuntu has 18 months of support?
[11:16] <ogra> +not dapper
[11:16] <ogra> dapper is the first release with 3 year support on the desktop and 5 year support on the server
[11:16] <trev0r> Ahh, ok
[11:16] <trev0r> Thats neat
[11:16] <ogra> every 3rd or fourth release will be like that 
[11:18] <Burgwork> hence why it is a great time to be starting to distribute computes with edubuntu and ubuntu one them
[11:18] <ogra> yeah
[11:36] <trev0r> Alright, I will report my experiences tomorrow around this time
[11:36] <trev0r> Bye!
[12:05] <rstory> how much disk space is needed for an edubuntu install?