[12:07] Tonio_: solution: bksys 1.5.1 changelog: documentation installation fixes [12:08] allee: ah ? :) [12:08] good news [12:08] Tonio_: install kde.py and generic.py from bksys-1.5.1/admin/ into bksys, rebuild and the symlinks are gone === allee back to gnudatalanguage [12:09] the problem is that it requires a big change in the tarball........ [12:10] Tonio_: [12:10] $ diff -u ../bksys.as-included/kde.py bksys/ | wc -l [12:10] 292 [12:10] Tonio_: Can you upload kdebase debs? [12:10] hunger: nope, only riddell can [12:10] Tonio_: ~ 300 line diff is not big. Put it into debian/patches/ ;) [12:10] Tonio_: Too bad:-( I have a couple of config files I'd like to get included:-) [12:11] allee: a cool, can provide a patch then ;) [12:11] hunger send riddell patches :) [12:11] Tonio_: I'll send to you ... [12:11] allee: your my master, definitly :) [12:11] Tonio_: The files are attached to #33034... config to enable fish and sftp in zeroconf. [12:11] allee: okay, thanks, but I can do it myself :) anyway, tonio@ubuntu.com :) [12:12] They work nicely for me... [12:13] hunger, well, need to ask riddell about that :) [12:13] Should kubuntu support other zeroconf stuff as well? [12:13] Like telnet...? === hunger is not sure about telnet... it is so unsecure. [12:15] It is easy enough to add that plus shell and login (which basically are telnet as well). [12:15] hunger: I vote no. [12:15] :) [12:16] allee: So do I... I have them, but I did not attach them to the bug with the other two. [12:16] Tonio_: Did you change kdmrc? === toma is now known as toma_ [12:17] Tonio_: Would you mind changing the ServerCmd when doing so next time to what gdm uses, too (/usr/bin/X -br -audit 0)? [12:18] hunger: isn't that done ? [12:19] Tonio_: No, it still uses the only-left-for-compatibility path /usr/X11R6/.... [12:19] hunger, okay, I will remember ;) [12:20] Tonio_: mail sent [12:20] Tonio_: and the -audit 0 which stops the server from spamming the console it is started from is missing as well. [12:20] allee: thanks :) [12:20] hunger okay ;) [12:20] Not that that is a problem... but I think it would be nice to be consistent with gdm for purely estetic reasons:-) [12:21] Anyone got an idea why klaptopdaemon only suspends my laptop after I log out? [12:22] hunger: the problem is that patching kdebase for this........ === hunger needs to use klaptopdaemon to suspend, then unlock the screensaver which klaptopdaemon starts, then log out to sustend. [12:22] Tonio_: I was asking since kdmrc was just updated here. [12:23] hunger, yes, I did the patch, but that requires a cdbs patch only for this, so........ [12:23] patching after a freeze is generally to resolve problems [12:24] even if esthetic is important, I agree, that can be done for dapper+1, but we certainly have other emergency [12:24] Tonio_: So we will not get that into dapper? === hunger sighs. [12:25] Tonio_: I could file a bugreport for that... isen't solving a bug a reason to get it in? ;-) [12:25] I agree that -audit 0 is important :) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-188.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] I will ask riddell about that tomorrow and eventually provide a patch [12:25] Tonio_: Not using a path that is deprecated is a reason, too. [12:25] hmm? [12:25] Hi Riddell! [12:25] hunger, yes, when everything is debugged, that becomes important :) [12:26] good evening [12:26] evening Riddell [12:26] Riddell: would you like a patch to change X patch in kdmrc ? [12:26] X path sorry [12:26] what would that be for? [12:27] Riddell: kdm still uses the pre-X-reorg path to the server... [12:27] Riddell: not using a depreciated path.... and eventually adding -audit 0 [12:27] Riddell: You never know when that will go away... gdm uses the new one for a while. [12:29] what does -audio 0 do? [12:29] Riddell: stops the server from spamming the console it is started from [12:29] Riddell: stopps the server from writting stuff to stderr. [12:29] ubuntu's GDM uses that [12:29] is that bad? [12:30] Riddell: gdm uses that, too. I am for adding it mostly to use the same commandline as gdm. [12:30] what happens if you have an error, harder to find out what's the problem [12:31] Riddell: It stopps logging of fairly uninteressting xauth stuff that goes to the logfiles anyway. === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-188.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Riddell: While changing kdebase... I came up with some config files to make konqueror handle fish and sftp-ssh zeroconf stuff. Could those get added as well? [12:34] how do you advertise those? [12:35] Riddell: See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=756cd79c1eca73da9fb5c70fd2384989&t=137073 [12:35] Riddell: Gnome handles them for a while now... always annoyed me that it does not work in KDE:-) [12:36] Riddell: I've got a patch for adept [12:36] Riddell: but I'd like to ask for a favor, if I may call that so [12:36] gnome does fish? [12:37] raphink: what's that? [12:37] Riddell: could you please keep my changelog this time? [12:37] hunger: interesting [12:37] Riddell: Dunno about fish, but it does handle sftp-ssh (at least on my friends debian box). [12:37] raphink: hmmmmm [12:37] I, for one, love to contribute to Ubuntu, but I dislike very much that my name be removed from my contributions [12:37] it doesnt' cost anything to keep the changelog I bring in the debdiff [12:38] I do it for all contributors I upload for [12:38] well I make sure the name is in the changelog [12:38] I just get worried when e-mail doesn't go to me since I've no idea if it'll go anywhere [12:38] Riddell: I mean keeping the changelog [12:38] with my name as releaser of the version [12:38] Riddell: So he was able to get to the files via zeroconf while I had to figure out how to configure zeroconf:-( [12:38] if I want o apply for core-dev it might help to find packages in main with my name [12:38] not only with a mention to my work somewhere in the middle [12:39] grep is your friend :) [12:39] Riddell: with soyouz, both the guys in changelog and the one who signed get the email [12:39] hunger: how well have you managed to get libnss-mdns working? [12:39] raphink: ok [12:39] Riddell: grep is not TB's friend when they look at your work in Ubuntu [12:39] Riddell: Is that needed? [12:39] you've got no time to grep all packages [12:39] for contribution [12:39] Riddell: I just installed avahi-daemon... [12:39] hunger: of course, otherwise you can't connect to any services so foo.local [12:40] s/so/at/ [12:40] so I'd like it very much if you could just sign with -k instead of making a new changelog mentionning my name [12:40] :) [12:41] all the more that sometimes you somehow modify the changelog in a way that doesn't reflect the work that was done, or just forget to mention who did the work [12:41] like in kubuntu-default-settings for example, on which I think Tonio has been spending quite a lot of time [12:41] and in whose changelog his name doesn't appear once [12:42] ;) [12:42] [ Anthony Mercatante ] [12:42] all his changes are marked in the standard fashion [12:42] although he missed a few out himself I think [12:42] hmm not in all packages [12:43] I remember having seen one that didn't mention him [12:43] anyway [12:43] my point is rather to keep the modifier's changelog [12:43] and just sign it with your key [12:43] I'd appreciate that very much :) [12:43] I missed his name out from the last but one kdebase upload it's true, but I put it back in retrospectively [12:44] ok :) [12:44] well that is not my point really though, and I think you got it [12:44] when I get my packages sponsored, I expect the changelog to be kept [12:45] sure, I'll use your upload as an experiment [12:45] hehe ok :) [12:45] you just have to sign it using [12:45] debuild -S -sa -kyourkeyID [12:45] hum, my two cents [12:45] and that's it :) [12:45] I know [12:45] that's not very important to me, as long as it works after building, but I must say I can understant some people feel important to see theiur changelog with their name [12:46] and that's why I always include it :) [12:46] Riddell: hum, I didn't even told you about that, but as everyone, you can sometime forget :) [12:46] kubuntu-default-settings (1:6.04-5) dapper; urgency=low [12:47] this changelog is a big work I did and my name isn't mentionned [12:47] I personnaly don't mind, but another personn could have been hurt I assume [12:47] eek, yes [12:48] your right there, that's wrong of me, sorry about that [12:48] I'll put it in retrospectively [12:48] I know all of you know my work, that this is a progress and that's enought for me, for I'm not "everyone" :) [12:48] Riddell: don't say you are sorry, I DON'T MIND :) [12:48] "Mon, 9 Jan 2006 04:50:25 +0000" it was almost 5 in the morning though :) [12:48] otherwise, I would have told you before [12:51] raphink: anyhoo, you had a patch? [12:51] Riddell: I'm pbuilding it to test it before giving it to you [12:51] :) [12:51] I'll give it to you as soon as I'm sure it works :) [12:52] guys, can we still ask for uvf exception now ? [12:52] I'm probably about to go to bed soon [12:52] ok [12:52] then you'll get it tomorrow ;) [12:52] doesn't matter [12:52] Tonio_: oui [12:53] ok merci ;) === robotgeek [n=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] Riddell: I will try to finish that patch for systemapplet in the next days [12:53] Tonio_: which patch? [12:54] and have a look at file associations [12:54] Riddell: system:/ causing files copied to tmp before opening [12:54] ah, that patch [12:54] I have done a working patch, but I miss the real name of .desktop then so that's not good [12:54] Tonio_: k-d-s works perfect, uploading [12:54] I will try to grab the code of kde 3.4.2 [12:54] Riddell: cool :) [12:55] Riddell: did you try the gtk_qt_engine autoconfig on new profiles ? [12:55] I tested outside of the package and that was okay [12:57] Tonio_: fwiw, toma wrote a little helper app to convert media: and system: url to normal path (should be useful for little .desktop hacks) [12:58] Riddell: shall I email you the debdiff ? [12:58] raphink: sure [12:58] Riddell: jriddell@ubuntu.com right? [12:59] yes [12:59] allee: hum........; in fact the problem isn't to convert urls, it is to patch the applet not to use the url parser :) [12:59] or eventually to patch the parser [12:59] ah [01:00] allee: but avoiding the parser causes another issue, cause the same parser is parsing the desktop file "name" [01:00] so I have to patch there this time [01:00] kde 3.4.2 was perfect in fact, duonnu why they changed this.......... [01:00] oula !!!! s/duonnu:dunno :) [01:01] Tonio_: you mean. Your goal is that the parser check if system: or media: is a local URL and then substitues /usaul/path/to/file? that would be great :) [01:01] Riddell: patch sent :) [01:02] allee: nope, that's exactly what it actually does [01:02] allee: I want to avoir that :) [01:02] Eh? [01:02] to come back to /home/bla instead of system:/home [01:03] Riddell: please ignore the mail I forgot one things :( [01:03] huhu [01:03] Riddell: ok? [01:03] allee: browse with system:/home, and open a big file, like an avi movie, a big ogg, or even a big log file with kate for example [01:03] allee: it gets copied in tmp before launching, which is a real PAIN [01:04] Mhmm, looks like we _both_ want /home/bla instead of system:/home. Regardless how I failed to explain it ;) [01:04] ho sorry I missunderstood :) [01:04] raphink: ok [01:04] allee: end of day, sorry :) [01:04] Riddell: forgot the icon for the installer ;) [01:04] Riddell: could be nicer with an icon hehe [01:05] Tonio_: keep on the great work! [01:05] allee: yes, that's my wanted, :) I tried to avoid using the parser, and that works, but it creates a problem to parse the .desktop Name entry, so we have to patch the parser directly [01:05] Tonio_: see ubuntu-motu list for new uvf process [01:05] allee: the problem is that my knowledge in cpp is about 0 [01:05] Riddell: okay ;) [01:06] allee: concerning kdissert, you should put your name in the changelog and add it to the wiki page [01:07] Tonio_: wiki? where? [01:07] Riddell: is the Ubuntu Packaging Guide included in kubuntu-docs? [01:07] allee: you will not become a motu, although you are the best of us, if you act like a ghost :) [01:07] allee: don't you have a wiki page ? [01:07] LaserJock: good question, I was going to look that up when you first asked and got distracted === Riddell goes to look [01:07] allee: you did the patch, all you have to do is creating the changelog and signing it [01:07] Tonio_: ah, you mean my homepage on wiki. [01:08] Tonio_: and upload to revu? Send you the debdiff? [01:08] allee: yes ;) It is too empty and you spend you time helping us for free.... sign your work and become a motu !!! [01:09] Tonio_: I have to pass membership first ;) I added already a bit of contents to my wiki home page a week ago ;) [01:09] allee: well, the patch is done, so you should really make it yourself ;) It'll take only 20 seconds [01:09] allee: even better, with that kind of patches and bug resolving, it'll be easier to become a member [01:10] LaserJock: yes it is [01:10] Tonio_: Stupid question: I assume there's a malone bug. So I attach the debdiff there and ping someone here to upload? [01:11] Riddell: ah, great. thanks. I'll commit my copyright changes in a minute. I just needed to know about the packaging guide because it is the only doc that is GPL'd [01:11] allee: I don't think there is a malone bug for this.... I didn't hear about it anyway [01:11] Tonio_: oh? and you did you know about/found this wrong link? [01:11] allee: what I would do if I were you is probably create the bug, uploading to revu, and I will ask for UVF maybe [01:12] allee: sebas asked me to look at it ;) [01:12] Tonio_: okay ... [01:12] allee: I can't imagin my mentor isn't still a member ;) [01:13] Tonio_: I don't fit in any imagination ;) [01:13] allee: haha [01:13] Riddell: before going to bed, is there a plan to correct systemsettings major bugs before dapper is out ? [01:14] Tonio_: damn well better be [01:14] it would be a shame to release dapper with all bugs breezy's version add.... [01:14] that'll be my focus after espresso is done [01:14] If I was a standard user and not aware of the situation, I wouldn't understand I must say [01:15] Riddell: great ;) [01:15] unfortunately I can't help on that point.....;;; [01:15] raphink ? [01:16] Tonio_: yep? [01:16] raphink: adding translations in adept should be done through KDE SVN [01:16] raphink: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept-installer.svgz [01:16] otherwise they're far too hard to maintain [01:16] raphink: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept-installer.png [01:16] Riddell: ah [01:16] raphink: do you have access to KDE's SVN? [01:16] Riddell: well it's just something I added as I changed the position in the menu and the NoDisplay for updater and notifier [01:16] it's not the main change [01:16] yep [01:17] :) [01:17] allee: will you tell me when you have done the job with kdissert ? I will ask for uvf exception [01:17] raphink: files in http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/fr/messages/playground-sysadmin/ if you want to do them [01:17] they're mostly done anyway [01:18] Tonio_: k but will take a while: pbuild run missing [01:18] ho I forgot to translate the second pot file for systemsettings [01:18] Riddell: I don't have an access to kde svn [01:18] Riddell: any reason they are not on rosetta ? [01:19] Tonio_: rosetta has not imported dapper strings yet [01:19] will do at string freeze [01:19] Riddell: okay ;) [01:19] :) [01:19] Riddell: euh........; string freeze ? means nothing will be translated after that ? [01:20] or means everything will have to be translated after ? [01:21] raphink: forwarding your patch to mornfall for his comments === Tonio_ is happy to see kate working mono-session again ;) that's way more comfortable [01:21] Riddell: hmm sure, I'm building again to test the icons [01:21] hi raphink [01:21] Tonio_: means no strings will change so translation can begin [01:21] hi LaserJock [01:21] Riddell: okay ;) [01:22] raphink: what are the icons? [01:22] Riddell: icons tonio gave me for adept_installer [01:22] he said mornfall approved them [01:22] http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept-installer.png [01:22] Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept-installer.png [01:22] arf [01:22] hehe [01:23] ;) [01:23] so I made 16 22 32 & 48 versions of them [01:23] to be installed with the package [01:23] ah, groovy [01:23] raphink: isn't 64 and 128 required ? [01:23] :) [01:23] Tonio_: I just provided the sizes that are provided for the other apps in the package [01:24] raphink: if you're playing with adept you could look at adding .desktop file for libxine extra codecs and call it MPsupport [01:24] I don't think 64 and 128 can be used for menu entries [01:24] MP3 support === Riddell beds [01:24] hmm [01:24] interesting [01:24] where would that be? [01:25] ah ;) [01:25] raphink: that means we have to create a .desktop file for this entry [01:25] adept-installer is using a .desktop file per installable program [01:26] raphink: is that the package to install for all the nice stuff, instead of gstreamer? [01:26] Tonio_: ah, so good idea [01:26] robotgeek: yep [01:26] robotgeek: it is the package that add mp3 support to xine [01:26] robotgeek: seems Riddell's idea is to have an entry in adept_installer to just select it === robotgeek scrolls and looks for package name [01:26] that would prevent from using easyubuntu for that [01:26] raphink: that would be great! === robotgeek is looking for the name, so he can document it in the Desktop Guide [01:28] raphink: i'm not happy about all those scripts either, but no matter what we try, they seem not to go away [01:28] Tonio_: I don't see where the desktop files for installer are [01:28] robotgeek: they do a job official stuff don't do [01:28] raphink: hum........; [01:28] let me check [01:28] robotgeek: we need to provide the same services with clean solutions [01:28] I didn't saw that myselft, but I discussed that with mornfall [01:28] raphink: +1 [01:29] Tonio_: ah [01:29] mornfall doesn't seem to be around though [01:29] raphink: yes, mp3-support. video-support metapackages would be great [01:30] Tonio_: so should one now add my e-mail into maintainer or add a [Achim Bohnet] ? [01:31] allee: well, depends :) [01:31] will you maintain it is the future or is it a nmu ? [01:31] I assume nmu no ? [01:31] so fill the chagelog yourself and that's it ;) [01:32] better: [Achim Bohnet] then. I never started kdissert [01:32] + don't know how it looks like ;) [01:33] allee: and whose name for the changelog ? [01:34] Tonio_: uploader? [01:35] hum......that's exactly the oposite of what we were talking about with riddell :) [01:35] Tonio_: well, I will not maintain it in the sense of a debian maintainer, but as a member of Kubuntu Team I fix bugs as time/knowledge permits, even in kdissert ;) [01:35] allee: won't you upload it to revu ? [01:35] raphink: in /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ [01:35] allee: I'll upload to revu. [01:36] robotgeek: libxine-extracodecs [01:36] thanks Riddell :) [01:36] I was trying to understand it in the installer c++ code ;) [01:36] Riddell: where do these desktop files come from? [01:36] Tonio_: btw. does NMU make sense in the (K)ubuntu context. All MOTUs are the maintainers, aren't they? [01:36] Riddell: awesome, one package to provide them all [01:36] allee: in fact, yes :) you're right [01:37] allee: correct, it doesn't make sense [01:37] raphink: not sure the exact process, mvo makes them somehow for gnome-app-install [01:37] allee: NMU can be totally ignored in Ubuntu [01:37] I think it extracts them from uploaded packages on the buildds [01:37] but quite a lot of the icons are missing [01:37] Riddell: there's a huge list of desktops in there [01:38] Riddell: just to know, didn't you habe the time to look at gwenview patch, or is there a problem with it ? [01:39] Tonio_: didn't I upload? [01:39] Riddell: cause I have another (easier) way to make the package building correctly [01:39] Riddell: no package installs anything in /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ [01:39] Riddell: hum........ I don't see it on the repos :) [01:39] Accepted gwenview 1.3.1-0ubuntu3 (source) [01:39] Riddell: so it must be generated somehow [01:39] maybe non build at the moment [01:39] Tonio_, Riddell: 'k changed to 1.0.5.debian-2build2. Question: add my e-mail to maintainer-field or/and additionaly [My name] [01:40] allee: if I were you, I wouldn't touch the maintenair in control, just feel the changelog [01:40] that's how I do personally [01:40] we tend not to change the maintainer field in ubuntu [01:41] Tonio_: no,no I only talk about changelog maintainer-field: -- Achim Bohnet Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:41:19 +0100 [01:41] ah, sorry [01:41] allee: well, personnaly, I had my email in the changelog [01:41] raphink: don't you do like that ? [01:42] Tonio_: like what? [01:42] raphink: read 5 lines upper :) [01:43] I prefer to have just an entry in the changelog [01:43] I mean a whole one ;) [01:43] ok need to work more on the icons in adept [01:43] there's something wrong === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] Tonio_: kdissert: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2072 [02:40] allee: great ;) [02:40] will post uvh tomorrow :) [02:40] bed time :) [02:40] uvf not uvh [02:48] Does upload to revu count as 'fix commited' in lauchpad? [02:48] Tonio_: ^^ [02:50] allee: any package where you have a changelog feet has an entry to your launchpad account according to what I know :) [02:50] Tonio_: yeah, quite confusing ;) [02:51] Tonio_: question is, now after revu upload https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdissert/+bug/33105, can I set bug to fix-commited ? [02:52] ah ! Iassume yes of course :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:15] Riddell: you there? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua@221.172.48.190] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:22] grr === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:57] Riddell: ping! [08:59] Riddell: any chance we can move the meeting to be on thurs 16th, 20.00 UTC? I cant make it on wednesdays 20 UTC as i'm driving at that point, then have no internet access. === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:05] omw [10:06] Riddell, PING !!!!!!!!! === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] ok, I think he broke something... [10:06] lol jpatrick === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:10] hello [10:12] hey Tonio_ [10:13] Tonio_: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/kdmsplash.png === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:14] freeflying: yes, we need to had a depandancy on k-d-s [10:14] freeflying: install moodin or kubuntu-desktop and it'll be okay [10:14] Tonio_: got it ,thx [10:16] Tonio_: moodin ? [10:17] freeflying: yes, a ksplash engine [10:18] actually kubuntu-desktop depends on it, but not k-d-s [10:18] freeflying: ksplash-engine-moodin [10:18] yep === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:44] Riddell: hi === mornfall|work [n=mornfall@redhat.usu.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:47] Riddell: hi [10:47] Riddell: as for the debdiff [10:47] ^^ hehe [10:47] Riddell: disabling adept updater from menu makes it useless for users who do not wish to use notifier [10:48] Riddell: doing so for notifier makes it hard to get it back running when you disable it [10:48] people who do not want to use the notifier can launch adept manager for updates [10:48] (as in, you need to go to commandline to do so -- the UI rule of thumb is that any action should be undoable) [10:49] raphink: it's not the same [10:49] mornfall|work: talking about adept, I've been searching how I could add libxine-extra-codecs to the menus in installer [10:49] hello [10:49] raphink: drop a .desktop file to /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ [10:50] mornfall|work: I don't get how these desktop files are created [10:50] (package is app-install-data) [10:50] no package creates them it seems [10:50] ah [10:50] ok [10:50] raphink: not my business... i think they are collected from apps and the X-AppInstall things are added :) [10:50] mornfall|work: the *rare* users who don't want to use the notifier generally use apt, and even if not, they know how to modify a .desktop file [10:50] that's my feeling [10:50] raphink: will you ping me when you are done, i will update the K Desktop Guide to reflect the changes? [10:51] Tonio_: dunno, any survey to back that up? [10:51] Tonio_: also, what about the undoability of actions [10:51]