[12:04] is anyone using emacs21 under Xgl? ;-) === mantiena [n=mantas@ctv-84-55-6-215.init.lt] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ieinu"] [12:09] sivang, that is an ambomination === sivang dicts for the word [12:10] he spelled it wrong so [12:10] tseng, shhh! that was part of my "plan" [12:10] Burgwork: ah :D [12:11] 1. The feeling of extreme disgust and hatred; abhorrence; [12:11] detestation; loathing; as, he holds tobacco in [12:11] abomination. [12:11] [1913 Webster] [12:11] ? [12:11] yes [12:11] heh [12:11] but used as a noun === sivang waits for emacs21 to compile with debug symbols [12:11] sivang, running a dated piece of 70s technology on modern bling [12:12] hehe, indeed. What can I do if I got used to some of its niceities? ;-) [12:12] (./me thinks if there are any other py editor that do not suck) [12:12] sivang: I heard it fails in Xgl because it can't find rgb.txt, because the Xgl package was compiled with the wrong path to it [12:13] err because it can't find 'black' because no rgb.txt [12:13] trappist: do you happen to know the right path? My strace shows that it looks for it where I Put it, /etc/X11/rgb.txt [12:14] sivang: I just overheard this in #ubuntu-xgl or somewhere. I have no first-hand knowledge of the problem. [12:15] trappist: okay, thanks anyway === sivang fantasizes of his green emacs21 window in wobbely mode. [12:16] Burgwork: I guess I'm a 70's hippie, after all :p [12:16] I can't talk compiz into using mesa's libGL, so I'm fantasizing about anything in wobbly mode. [12:17] to be honest, the most interesting thing I am looking forward to is expose-style window shrinking [12:18] it's all about the live thumbnail previews. [12:24] Burgwork: F12 does that for me [12:24] Burgwork: it's way cool, I agree. and very productive === koke [n=koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davidme [n=davidme@206-124-154-245.atm02.sea.blarg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] sivang, vista has a cool feature on window switching === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-188.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] Burgwork: xgl has thumbnail preview on window switching too [12:25] if you turn it on [12:25] tseng, cool, haven't played with xgl yet [12:25] xgl is a major cpu hog === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] hey haggai [12:33] cassidy: http://ploum.frimouvy.org/?gallery/life-of-ploum/fosdem-2006/img00029 : some ubunteros @ FOSDEM sunday evening === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-188.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] ploum: thx [12:35] ahh i'm half hidden :p [12:35] I told you... [12:35] Scandaleux [12:35] yep [12:38] Burgwork: I hope we can give a good competition with Xgl to vista.. [12:41] Treenaks: ping ? [12:42] cassidy: it can be cool if we can give names to people on this picture. I can only say jdub, vuntz, ploum, kikidonk and cassidy [12:43] ploum: the other guy with me is not involved in Ubuntu. And my 2 neighbors at the table either [12:44] oh... I tought [12:44] Next year, we will do an Ubuntu Room ! [12:45] ploum: That would be great... then I might had actually found you guys. [12:45] it means that we have to choice between GNOME and Ubuntu devroom. Big dilemma :) [12:45] cassidy: it would be indeed a big dilemna. But there are many ubuntu things to discuss [12:46] hunger: indeed, it was difficult to find Ubuntu fans [12:46] No stand, no room [12:46] Ubuntu-be will solve this problem next year :-) [12:46] GNOME/Ubuntu entre les deux mon coeur balance ;) [12:47] ploum: A stand is not really important IMHO... the people coming to fosdem know about ubuntu anyway. [12:47] ploum: ping me when the mailing list will be installed [12:47] hunger: I agree. That's why I think a room it's better [12:47] ploum: And the stands are in the hallways which are always so crowded that it is hard to stop and talk anyway. [12:47] hunger: i agree. Discuss about specific ubuntu discuss and meet ubuntu fans is more interesting === hunger agrees. [12:47] s/discuss/stuff [12:48] (and drink beers ;) [12:48] cassidy: I will have to annoy jdub === hunger never understood the debian and gentoo stands... they got rooms to sit behind their laptops in. [12:48] let him time to go back to his home :) [12:49] Anyone is aware of an easy way to convert a video to Theora/ogg ? [12:49] Pitivi doesn't work as well as the demo at FOSDEM ! [12:50] ploum: What a surprise... ;-) [12:50] ploum: I am sure apparmour won't work as well either;-) [12:50] ploum: http://transcoding.org - easy once you have done it ;) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] i need help figuring out what component to report a bug against [12:52] CarlFK: isn't transcode a CLI tool ? (I'm just too lazy to read a man page like the mencoder one now) === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:52] hunger: I've heard about apparmour but I was not at the talk. Was it interesting ? what was the demo ? [12:52] ploum: yes, but there are some GUIs for it [12:52] subterrific: what's the bug ? === hunger found it very interessting. [12:52] good night everybody [12:53] good night [12:53] It is not as powerful as selinux, but it is way easier. [12:53] i tried doing a flight-4 install and it failed because update-initramfs -u was saying "Kernel too old, requires 2.6.12 or greater". the problem was that the /boot partition i selected had old kernels on it from an old breezy install [12:53] ploum: The demo was writing a profile for a php-app in apache in less then 3 min. [12:54] is that an initramfs-tools bug or debian-installer or what? [12:54] ploum: They got perl scripts to help with creating the profile... it just asks a couple of questions and you are done. [12:54] would be cool to have it packaged for dapper *hint* [12:54] although really late [12:55] spacey: Too late I think. [12:55] i ended up fixing it by dropping into a console and removing all the symlinks and the old kernel from /boot and then rerunning update-initramfs -u [12:55] subterrific: hmmm. I'm not expert at all. I would say : report it again intramfs (it's the part that produce the error). It could be changed later if it's wrong [12:55] ok, thanks [12:55] spacey: It needs to be started as early in the boot sequence as possible... I doubt that somebody may change the bootup process for that at this point in time. [12:55] hunger: seems intersting indeed. [12:56] hunger: yeah that would be a problem [12:56] ploum: Well, it is by far not as powerful as selinux... [12:56] I think that Dapper target is more Desktop. Apparmour seems to be mainly for servers [12:56] ploum, hunger, ajmitch_ is the right person to ask about selinux and apparmour [12:56] (of course there's Ubuntu Server ;-) ) [12:57] ploum, dapper is targetted at everything and so is app armour [12:57] Burgwork: Apparmour on a desktop ? Really ? [12:57] ploum: Nope... he said he uses profiles for every app with network access (gaim, firefox) and pdf readers. [12:57] hunger: I'm not a selinux expert at all [12:57] ploum, it is very similar to selinux, with FC runs on their desktop [12:57] oh so.. [12:57] ploum: Basically everything where there were recent exploits;-) [12:58] afaik, we'd have to choose one or the other [12:58] which won't be up to me [12:59] ajmitch_, what is your gut feeling? is the additional "complexity" of selinux worth it, due to the greater support for it? [12:59] ajmitch_: Not my task either... selinux is more powerful... but apparmour is way easier... I do not even want to decide that. [12:59] Burgwork: I'd personally go for apparmour... [12:59] Burgwork: I feel selinux is a better choice, but that's from someone who hasn't looked at apparmour very hard [12:59] hunger, have you used either? [01:00] it's like choosing between Xgl and Aiglx (or whatever is the name) :-) [01:00] ploum: I'm afraid it's not :) [01:00] Burgwork: I have not used apparmour... and I failed to get selinux configured, so I wouldn't listen to me if I had anything to say:-) === setuid [i=japh@gnu-designs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] hunger, hence why I asked ajmitch_ ;) [01:01] Riddle me this, a source package for a dapper kernel should build out of the box, with debuild, right? [01:01] I mean... I'm _running_ the binary version of that kernel, so it built on at least 1 machine [01:01] ajmitch_: it was just a joke. I'm not at all in technical details [01:01] setuid: yes, and I've built dapper kernels with just debuild (from the git tree) [01:02] ajmitch_, it seems the main selling point of apparmour is that selinux is "hard" [01:02] ajmitch_: Something is amiss with 2.6.15-16... gives me some weird error at boot about /dev/hda2 not existing, and dumps me to busybox [01:02] Burgwork: It was at the demo at fosdem. [01:02] setuid: sounds like initramfs issues [01:02] But /dev/hda2 works fine, 2.6.12-10 is booted to it (but no fxlrx driver support in 2.6.12) [01:02] ajmitch_: Ok... lemme check that [01:03] initramfs support packages are onboard, what else should I poke at? [01:03] Burgwork: of course, and having simplicity as a selling point of security isn't necessarily good [01:03] Burgwork: That and that apparmour works with all apps while selinux is supposed to have apps linked to some lib. === ajmitch_ could pull up examples of why path-based MAC is bad, and all other stuff [01:03] hunger: vile lies :) [01:04] hunger: a *few* apps get linked to libselinux, to get things like listing security contexts, etc [01:04] ajmitch_: I am just repeating what I heared. As I said: I was too stupid to work out selinux. [01:05] ajmitch_, I would love to see selinux or something similar for dapper+1 [01:05] hunger: no, integrating something like that into a distro is not easy [01:05] it's not a matter of stupidity [01:05] Burgwork: sure, and for a change there are others willing to help out, mainly in debian [01:05] seems like either apparmour or selinux is simply a lot of work, either way [01:05] ajmitch_: And frankly I do not feel comftable with the idea of having several independent sets of permissions (filesystem and selinux/apparmour whatever). [01:05] there's a very capable team of people doing selinux in debian now [01:05] good night [01:06] ajmitch_, they might ship you to Germany in May if you offer to do selinux for dapper+1 [01:06] Burgwork: hah funny [01:06] ajmitch_, honestly, I would email Mark and say thta [01:07] because something like selinux would need to be decided as a goal at teh conference, due to its tentacles of doom nature [01:07] Burgwork: what do you think I specced at the last 2 conferences? [01:08] indeed [01:08] Burgwork: And some really good docu will need to get written or too many people will just deactivate it (or - god forbid - leave for debian;-) [01:09] hunger: fyi, https://alioth.debian.org/projects/selinux/ [01:11] ajmitch_: I know there is a project about selinux in debian, but it will take AGES to get that done there (if at all). Ubuntu can be much faster if you guys ever set your mind on getting it in. [01:12] hunger: who are these 'you guys' that are so willing to help out? [01:12] ajmitch_: The ubuntu developers. I am just a user listening in on you;-) [01:12] the difference between ubuntu & debian is that there are people willing to do the work in debian === j^ [n=j@e178000154.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] ok, I have now tried twice to kill the alternate init thread without success [01:13] hunger: 'the developers' is a vague enough term - it's pretty much just been me who's cared in ubuntu [01:13] Burgwork: some things just need to die naturally [01:14] ajmitch_, sadly yes. Until then, hundreds of people will have more crap in their inboxes [01:14] one thing I noticed about the Fedora devel list is they don;t have the same policy of shutting people down who are posting things that belong on other lists [01:15] at least it's not as nasty as the python stuff thread [01:15] yes [01:15] ajmitch_: Maybe. But ubuntu has fewer developers that need convincing. [01:15] where the developers were accused of all sorts of incompetence [01:15] hunger: good, get to work convincing them [01:16] ajmitch_: Me? I'm just a user listening in here;-) [01:16] yeah right [01:16] ajmitch_: And I am not convinced myself yet. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] saying 'the developers should..' without backing it up, is what doesn't work [01:17] few developers means they're all stretched thin [01:17] ajmitch_: I personally think security should be tightened somehow, I am just not yet sure selinux is the thing for me. [01:17] is network-manger broken by the latest gnome-keyring upload? [01:18] ajmitch_, to be fair to Ubuntu, it is much younger and the paid developers have a great deal on their plates [01:18] ajmitch_: As I said earlier: it basically introduces another priviledge system that is independent of the traditional filesystem descretionary one. [01:19] http://www1.umn.edu/ohr/employment/openings/job135042.html [01:19] bwhaha [01:19] ubuntu experience as part of the qualifications [01:19] (its a repost for an internal canidate due to stupid hr rules) [01:19] but still [01:20] dieman, where di you find that? [01:21] hunger: which is the intended behaviour, because discretionary access control is seen to be limited [01:21] dieman: at least it didn't mandate 3 years ubuntu experience [01:22] ajmitch_: ahahah [01:22] Burgwork: i work there === Burgwork has 12 years of Ubuntu experience and 9 years of Windows XP experience [01:22] Burgwork: the posting is one of my coworkers who was on a 6month temp positing [01:22] this one is a 12mo temp posting [01:22] its hr hell [01:22] ah [01:22] Burgwork: the developers having a lot on their plates is what I'm saying - there need to be very good reasons for resources to be allocated to tasks [01:22] you can't just 'make jobs' [01:22] there are good reasons for taht [01:23] ajmitch_: Yes, I see that. I wouldn't mind if the old one could get removed altogether (which is obviously impossible). It just sucks having two systems for the same thing. [01:23] ok, one more question. after i got my flight-4 install to finish and then rebooted. it had set the grub root to (hd2,0) which was wrong and I was left with a 'Error 15: file not found' message. i had to manually change it to (hd0,0) so grub could find the kernel. what component is that a bug for? [01:24] hunger: they complement each other - selinux takes DAC permissions into account as well [01:24] ajmitch_: So if I were convinced of selinux: What could I do to help in the limited time I have. [01:24] grub-installer perhaps? [01:25] hunger: we're past feature freeze for dapper - most work is in debian on the packaging of the reference policy right now [01:25] ajmitch_: Yes, to some extend. But having ACLs and owner-group-other permissions will confuse the hell out of me:-) [01:26] once that is in a usable state (which I started work on), then testing & tools is what's important [01:26] hunger: you generally don't need to worry about them [01:26] ajmitch_: I can test, I'll unable to stay on a stable system anyway:-) === ajmitch_ can't do much at the moment, too busy with work [01:27] ajmitch_: Oh, believe me: I will need to worry about them! I change too many things on my systems not to run into that at some point. [01:27] ajmitch_: Just tell me when there is anything to test. I'll do so if I have the time. [01:27] ok [01:28] im still bummed out that i wont get to play with nfsv4 with dapper it sounds [01:28] since it breaks mounting sarge nfs userspace server mounts [01:28] no nfs filesystem acls for us just yet. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] where would I go to ask questions about the Ubuntu website? [01:33] mainly relating to the licensing of the stylesheets [01:34] jdong: try /join #ubuntu-doc [01:34] thx === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:38] ok, 3 bugs reported i encountered installing flight-4 last night: 33101, 33104, and 33106 [01:39] subterrific, if they are filed, that is the correct place for disuccsion. I would also try the dailies [01:46] dapper installer errorrod, then hit 'go back" and dinked a bit - now I am looking at var/log/syslog tryihng to find the details of the error - what should I be searching for? [01:46] "[Ee] rror" isn't it [01:47] here is all 400k of it: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Feb27/e/log/syslog [01:51] found it [01:51] duh... ERROR [01:51] hrm, loop-aes-utils doesn't allow >128bit passwords!? [01:52] arg [01:52] ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument, requested cipher or key length (256 bits) not supported by kernel [01:52] It worked in breezy, I wonder why it was crippled for dapper === Aegir` [n=richard@d58-105-60-165.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk- [n=jk@bh02i525f01.au.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] Riddell: ping ? [02:00] setuid: loop-aes is deprecated anyway. [02:02] hunger: In favor of...? [02:02] hunger: I have a partition encrypted with aes256, and I need to access the data on it [02:03] losetup -e aes256 -C3 -S SuperSecret /dev/loop0 /dev/hdc1 [02:03] blah blah === comfrey [n=comfrey@h-64-105-87-234.sttnwaho.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] That doesn't work in dapper, works in breezy [02:03] are you sure you've installed the separate loop-aes kernel module in dapper? [02:04] Yep [02:04] setuid: Use devicemapper. loopaes has sever problems with its implementation and was deprecated. [02:04] hunger: Any docs on that? [02:05] setuid: google for cryptsetup:-) [02:05] I have that installed, problem is, I need to get into the partition as it is now [02:05] I can't just use cryptsetup, blow away 300GiB and start over [02:06] KNOPPIX can do it, but KNOPPIX (4.0.2) has *PITFULLY* slow usb implementation (200k/sec. max, over a usb2 that I get 40+MiB on regular transfers) [02:07] setuid: The algorithem for encryption is identical. It is just the hash alg. used to generate the key that differs. === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] Sure, which means it won't work [02:07] setuid: So you can make cryptsetup read loopaes partitions IIRc. [02:07] Note the -C3 above [02:07] setuid: "All" you need to do is find the right hash alg. and force cryptsetup to use that:-) [02:08] afaik cryptsetup is backwards-compatible with regular cryptoloop, but not loop-aes [02:08] Sure, and then hash it 3 times with my seed, which cryptsetup does not support [02:08] mjr: Correct [02:08] I'd just like to know why it was crippled in dapper, and not in breezy === mjr uses loop-aes incidentally also, with breezy [02:08] setuid: Oh... then you are in trouble:-( [02:08] It may be deprecated, but functionality should not have been _removed_ [02:08] seemed to have better options [02:09] what with the multi-key-3 mode [02:09] mjr: Have you looked into LUKS? [02:09] I've glanced at it [02:09] mjr: Got a dapper install somewhere? [02:09] on my laptop [02:09] mjr: Stores all the details for you and is way nicer then anything else I used so far. [02:10] (where there's no encryption as of yet) [02:11] ah well, I have the crypted fs mirrored so I can re-encrypt it easily by disengaging the mirror for a while, if need be [02:11] mjr: Just try to create a loopback file with aes256 under dapper [02:11] For some reason, it ignores 256 and 128-bit keys... probably some other bug lurking [02:11] setuid: There is a script to access loopaes on dmcrypt here: http://clemens.endorphin.org/Cryptoloop_Migration_Guide [02:11] hunger: I'm not using dmcrypt, but I'll take a look [02:11] setuid: Dunno whether that will work for you. === r0bby__ [n=wakawaka@cpe-24-161-52-23.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] I'll just decrypt this, blow it away and rebuild it [02:13] I set it as xfs anyway, which is bad to do on a crypted volume anyway [02:13] setuid, sure you're using loop-aes-utils versions of losetup? [02:13] setuid: I'd recommend using devicemapper with LUKS then:-) [02:13] hunger: I need something that is distro-transparent, i.e. works with KNOPPIX and similar tools [02:14] mjr: Yes [02:14] setuid: Try the script... it should be able to mount loopaes volumes via devicemapper. [02:15] setuid: LUKS is meant to be distro-transparent. IIRC gnome-volume-manager supports it nowadays, so it can not be purely ubuntu;-) [02:15] hunger, that work for multi-key-modes 2 and 3 too? [02:16] hunger: Looks like that script is missing a good whack of functionality, specifically the target partition, mount point, seed and cipher number [02:16] mjr: It should with a bit of twiddling;-) [02:16] sure, anything works when you twiddle enough source code [02:17] Precisely ;) [02:17] mjr: calling hashalot several times should make that work I think. But I have never tried it, just stumbled over it googleing for setuid;-) [02:17] that just hashes the password === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] Yeah, this script is very non-functional [02:18] sigh [02:18] Thanks for the googling though [02:19] setuid: Too bad:-( I feel for you, I reencrypted my volumes several times so far as well:-( [02:19] pardon me, but my loop-aes setup has 64 different aes256 keys and one extra key for IV computation [02:19] I fail to see how this script makes use of that info [02:20] Mine is a bit simpler than that. [02:20] Which kernel module (besides aes and aes_i586) do I need? [02:20] min keysize : 16 [02:20] max keysize : 32 [02:20] ugh [02:20] mjr: Been a while since I used loopaes. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] setuid: Tried using bytes instead of bits? [02:21] setuid: I guess you can't change that. [02:21] Nope [02:24] arg [02:24] # losetup -d /dev/loop0 [02:24] ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy [02:24] hmh, I'd have to check how luks handles multi-key and IV before switching to that... [02:24] This is so broken, I think I'm going to go back to Breezy or Sid === r0bby2 [n=wakawaka@cpe-24-161-52-23.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] cbc-essiv, mmh === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-60-165.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-118-171.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-156-139.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5486FEFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] man, its taking this machine like 2 hours to build this kernel package... a normal (kernel.org) kernel build is like 7 minutes. [03:19] whoa, kernel just finished, now its doing modules. There must be some sort of a recursive loop here === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@pool-71-243-90-29.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-118-171.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] someone want to throw me a Package Name for a bug on the installers partitioner [04:15] partconf-find-partitions === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel === setuid [i=japh@gnu-designs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] Ok, more snags... how the heck do I compile the vmware modules on a distro-supplied kernel? I'm in a catch-22. I can't run dapper without fglrx (ATI hard-locks Thinkpads), and I can't build my own kernel from source because fglrx doesn't build clean. === karlheg [n=karlheg@131.252.226.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=ubuntu@toronto-HSE-ppp3960778.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] So I've got 2.6.15-16 installed, but now vmware wants kernel headers, but they don't exist, because this kernel was built as SMP, even on UP machines. [04:34] Arg! [04:34] So where are the headers for _this_ kernel? === setuid [i=japh@gnu-designs.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] === lakin_ [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pingu [n=pingu@sponge.solutionsfirst.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] I. Need to get a custom 2.6.15 kernel onto an AMD64 Ubuntu install CD. [04:56] Does anyone have any suggestions? === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] That would be a no :/ === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua@221.172.48.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] does anyone here know why Yelp doesn't render some characters? [05:19] I would like to fix that, as soon as possible, because it's really annoying [05:27] Does anyone here know anything about the install CD? [05:28] Can't seem to find where the modules go, there is a vmlinuz image in install though. [05:28] I somehow think replacing that just isn't going to do it for me. === r0bby [n=wakawaka@cpe-24-161-52-23.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:33] pingu: They are in the initrd.gz image. [05:34] pingu, there's a howto on the wiki === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-139.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ispiked_ [n=ispiked@Lee-11-133.rh.ncsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === swat_ [n=swat@82-45-238-129.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@ubuntu/member/earobinson] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] Thanks TheMuso! [06:53] A little late, but thanks. [06:53] psusi, I've seen the one which mentions just editing preseeds. [06:54] But, I need a different kernel, that's a little beyond the preseed ;D === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.100.110.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:57] Is there any way I can get a snapshot of the current kernel used on the livecd, anyone? [06:57] As in, before it was compiled? === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] uhh, linux-source from the Dapper Repos? [07:03] Lathiat: ping ? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:03] Not dapper, but the install CD? [07:04] I'm specifically trying to get the sources of: [07:04] The AMD64 kernel booted on the 5.04 install CD. === earobinson111 [n=earobins@HSE-Kingston-ppp329653.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-139.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] pingu: Same answer. If you want the kernel from 5.04, you want linux-source-2.6.10 from the hoary archive, if you want the kernel for 5.10, you want linux-source-2.6.12 from the breezy archive... === jvw [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] So the install CD. [07:18] Is just a stock kernel? [07:18] *install CD's kernel. [07:19] Yes. [07:19] jk-: pong [07:19] Lathiat: hey! [07:21] infinity: What about all those extra module packages, does the install CD shove those in the initrd too? === j^_ [n=j@e178024049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] pingu: That's the idea, yes. They're only broken out into seperate packages for the installer, they're all in one package on the installed system, but it's the same kernel build, just split differently. [07:28] Thanks for your help. === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-60-165.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-151-127.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B02B7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] good morning [08:02] Good afternoon. === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] good evening ;-) === earobinson222 [n=earobins@HSE-Kingston-ppp329653.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-148-138.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.236.67] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lixus [n=lixuss@lixus.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] Good morning === mvo [n=egon@p54A67EE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67EE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === earobinson222 [n=earobins@HSE-Kingston-ppp329653.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67EE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] Launchpad is going down in 15 minutes time, which will also put the wikis into read only mode. Estimated down time is 10 minutes. === carlos [n=carlos@84.76.255.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] mdz: ping [09:15] Mez: he might be sleeping, it's late in his TZ [09:15] it's for when he's back [09:15] k [09:19] mvo: it is only just past midnight here [09:20] Burglaptop: some people consider this late ;) but you are right of course, it's not a unusual time === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-166-207.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] Oh noes. I'm still at work. [09:38] Bye everyone! === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@c51008D91.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail is now known as slomo_ [09:46] CarlFK: by the way, I recommend just using "debian-installer" if you don't have sure knowledge of the correct component name rather than picking one that includes "part" in its name ;-) === mvo [n=egon@p54A66827.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] morning everybody === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.169] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@84.76.255.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A6621F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK_ is now known as StevenK === TWD [n=chatzill@d83-179-5-108.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178024049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] mvo: could apt.InstallProgress.updateInterface() perhaps call a method when the percentage/status changes and the status isn't pmerror or pmconffile? [10:53] mvo: at the moment I don't really see how to properly handle percent/status changes without rewriting updateInterface, since the default implementation changes self.percent and self.status even for pmerror and pmconffile when the values will make no sense as percentages or statuses === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] mvo: also using the errno module for EAGAIN would be better than hardcoding 11 === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] infinity: do you think it'll be necessary to rename mozillla-thunderbird-locale-all as well? After all, these xpi are from official mozilla... [11:03] infinity: and we didn't rename mozilla-firefox-locale-all either [11:03] mvo: and shouldn't you limit the split() to (status, pkg, percent, status_str) to 3 splits so that you don't inadvertently split on colons in status_str? === mvo [n=egon@p54A66D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion decides to rewrite anyway, being scared by the code now :) [11:05] Kamion: hello, sorry, I got disconnected [11:05] Kamion: can you /msg me the bits I missed? === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] pitti: I'm not picky one way or the other, and I doubt they are either, but from a UI perspective, if you have a package called "thunderbird" installed, you're going to look for "thunderbird-*" packages to extend its functionality, not "mozilla-thunderbird-*" [11:13] slomo: ping === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rcliii [n=rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] slomo: anyway, head-up on missing orig for liferea upload, see you later === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] Kamion: hi... please move gtk-sharp to universe and gtk-sharp2 back to main :) gtk-sharp2 was approved already before breezy release and now nothing in main depends on gtk-sharp anymore [11:34] is gtk-sharp2 just a renaming of gtk-sharp2-unstable? === Kamion is looking for a suitable main inclusion report, y'see [11:34] Kamion: yes [11:37] gecko-sharp2 and gtk-sharp2 promoted; you might like to get somebody to look at seeding appropriate documentation packages from those sources [11:38] gtk-sharp-gapi demoted, but according to anastacia the rest of the binaries from the gtk-sharp source are still in use somewhere === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] Kamion: yes, tomboy depends on it currently and the version which uses gtk-sharp2 is on dep-wait atm... this will solve itself after the gtk#2 version of tomboy built? [11:39] presumably [11:39] until then it'll stay in main [11:40] ok... shall i ping you when it built? [11:40] also dbus Build-Depends-Indep: libgtk-cil [11:40] no need, it'll show up in anastacia and there's usually no great rush for demotions anyway [11:40] not anymore in the latest version of dbus === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] I'm looking at dbus 0.60-6ubuntu1, which is the current version in dapper [11:41] ok, thanks :) [11:41] although it failed to build, but even so [11:41] huh? i'll take a look at it === sivang arghs as tomboy crashes when pasted text into one of its note windows [11:43] Kamion: yes, was a mistake while merging dbus... === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] who moderates ubuntu-devel-announce? [11:52] sabdfl: Kamion at least [11:53] Kamion: could you give my post the go ahead when next you look at that queue please? not urgent [11:53] just a pointer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperIcons [11:54] sabdfl: they look nice - who worked on those? [11:55] dholbach: professional icon team [11:55] sabdfl: done [11:55] Cool! [11:55] sabdfl: nice; SVG and all that? [11:55] jane and i leading the specification, jdub prioritising [11:55] they indeed look great [11:56] tepsipakki++ [11:57] the cd/dvd-icons that specify which media it is.. just like on OSX ;) [11:57] (which I haven't even used, just seen over the shoulder) [11:57] nice [11:57] Keybuk: my bad on floppy, I misread the code [11:57] Keybuk: ide-floppy as well? [11:57] or will that be autoloaded? [11:58] I think ide-floppy will be autoloaded [11:58] SUBSYSTEM!="ide", GOTO="ide_end" [11:58] IMPORT{program}="ide_media --export $devpath" [11:58] ENV{IDE_MEDIA}=="floppy", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe -Qba ide-floppy" [11:58] so yeah, that one's detectable [11:59] (ignoring the bug that udev doesn't work with anything above hdf :) [12:01] Keybuk: ok - will adding floppy to /etc/modules close #32599? [12:01] yup [12:01] ok === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@213-202-146-92.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] Keybuk: the one concern I have is that modprobing floppy can be quite slow [12:07] it certainly at least used to take a while in the installer on some machines, because it sat there synchronously trying to find floppy drives === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-148-138.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] - Use x rather than x in progress bar === Kamion wonders if that's Soyuz "helpfully" smashing everything to ASCII [12:08]