[12:04] <Madpilot> I just did a quick proofreading run thru that, ompaul - looks OK
[12:04] <ompaul> Madpilot, thanks
[12:05] <ompaul> robotgeek was suggesting he was going to do something about an install - was it install an application or install the o/s?
[12:10] <Madpilot> the install guide is for the OS, I think
[12:10] <Madpilot> not sure what the status of that is
[12:19] <ompaul> I'll get him tomorrow and see if I can do something he may be able to use or are our aims so different :) I want installing an applicaiton and a quick overview of where files go and why kind of filesystem and install I suppose
[12:21] <Madpilot> ompaul, check the current Ubuntu Desktop Guide for Dapper at doc.ubuntu.com - some of that is already in there - there's a good Add Applications section
[12:21] <ompaul> okay
[12:22] <ompaul> might save me a job of work that would be cool
[12:23] <ompaul> hmm tasty 
[12:24] <ompaul> I will bookmark that for tomorrow
[12:25] <Madpilot> those docs get rebuilt twice a day from our SVN repository
[12:43] <ompaul> k
[12:45] <Madpilot> ompaul, you can also get the SVN onto your own computer - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[12:45] <ompaul> Madpilot, hmm that could be dangerous :)(
[12:45] <ompaul> :)
[12:46] <Madpilot> it's just a local copy - you'd submit changes thru the -doc mailing list until you get commit rights
[12:46] <ompaul> such is life
[12:46] <LaserJock> still? uggh
[12:47] <Madpilot> yeah, I think mdke_ has sent about three emails to various people on my behalf - robotgeek's still waiting too
[12:56] <LaserJock> mgalvin: is it ok with you if I GPL kubuntu/Makefile?
[12:57] <mgalvin> LaserJock: ok by me, go for it
[12:57] <LaserJock> mgalvin: thanks
[12:57] <mgalvin> np
[01:34] <Burgwork> jdong, you need to ask hno73
[01:34] <jdong> who isn't here now,  correct?
[01:34] <Burgwork> yes, let me get his eamil
[01:35] <Burgwork> henrik@ubuntu.com
[01:36] <LaserJock> jdong: what are the licenses? or is that what your trying to find?
[01:36] <jdong> correct, LaserJock, I'm interested in using some shades of Ubuntu-ish brown on one of my MoinMoin wikis
[01:36] <jdong> our school colors are gold and brown :)
[01:36] <LaserJock> convenient ;-)
[01:37] <jdong> so it'd be really easy for me to work off the Ubuntu MoinMoin stylesheet
[01:37] <jdong> it's copyrighted though, so I'd rather not stir up any trouble
[01:37] <LaserJock> sure
[03:16] <Floid> What's the easiest way to request a small improvement to a package desc., or can I just drop it in someone's lap here?
[03:17] <Madpilot> file a bug against the package on launchpad
[03:17] <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[03:17] <Floid> Just what I need, one more login/password. ;)
[03:17] <Floid> But yeah, if I must..
[03:18] <LaserJock> Floid: launchpad is used for lots of things in Ubuntu so it might be worthwhile 
[03:18] <Madpilot> docteam doesn't actually handle the package descriptions, the packagers do
[03:19] <Floid> I was really just trying to weasel a one-off filing on my behalf, but since I got the RTFM answer I'm already registering. ^^
[03:19] <Floid> For what it's worth, and you might find a personal reason to care at some point, the acroread-plugins package is required to handle certain (or possibly all) fillable forms.
[03:19] <Madpilot> bugs are best filed by the people who actually experienced them - that way you can be contacted for further details if needed...
[03:20] <Floid> That is the entirety of the bug, all you get is some 'these plugins are evil and report back to the mothership' libre handwaving in the current desc. ;)
[03:21] <Floid> Anyhow, remember this if you need to do your Connecticut taxes. :P
[03:21] <Madpilot> I live on the far side of the continent from Connecticut, and in another country :P
[03:22] <LaserJock> well, I'm at least in the same country, but we don't have state income taxes :)
[03:22] <Floid> This is a certificate of no tax for an estate, actually, but that's getting into extraneous detail.
[03:23] <Floid> I'm also looking for legal templates for OpenOffice, if anyone knows where they're hiding.  (Found reference to them, but not the actual last time I Googled.)
[03:24] <Madpilot> Floid, for those, try the main #ubuntu channel - I think there's an openoffice channel too
[03:25] <Madpilot> #openoffice.org
[03:36] <Floid> That, in turn, was just the sound of me making small talk. ;)
[04:37] <theCore> does anyone has tested the Yelp in Dapper ?
[04:38] <robotgeek> theCore: yes
[04:38] <robotgeek> it gives some nasty decorations :P
[04:39] <theCore> robotgeek: do you get the wierds characters ?
[04:39] <robotgeek> yup
[04:39] <theCore> do you know what the problem is?
[04:43] <robotgeek> theCore: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/33110
[04:44] <LaserJock> yeah, it is a bug that has been around for a while
[04:45] <theCore> robotgeek: thanks
[04:45] <robotgeek> maybe we should add information to it?
[04:45] <robotgeek> confirm it, even?
[04:46] <robotgeek> LaserJock: can we actually do that, change status from unconfirmed to confirmed?
[04:47] <LaserJock> robotgeek: you certainly can, it won't do anything terribly important but you might as well since it is "confirmed" ;-)
[04:47] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i did not know if iit was "bug-ettiquette"
[04:48] <theCore> done
[04:48] <LaserJock> robotgeek: if you can confirm it I think it is fine
[04:58] <theCore> I'm a little bit disappointed by Dapper Flight 4 ...
[04:59] <robotgeek> theCore: why?
[04:59] <theCore> But, I won't critic it too much, until I see under the hood
[04:59] <robotgeek> kubuntu/ubuntu?
[04:59] <theCore> ubuntu
[05:01] <robotgeek> theCore: ah, okay. i installed it for a friend of mine yesterday, he was happy with it :)
[05:02] <theCore> robotgeek: I saw a couples of rough edges in the installer, gedit seem to have lost some feature, the mouse pointer is ugly, etc... 
[05:03] <robotgeek> theCore: ah, okay. and the yelp bug is  nasty :)
[05:06] <theCore> it funny how the mouse pointer is exactly the same as the one on the old Mac
[05:09] <theCore> robotgeek: did you tried the kubuntu version?
[05:10] <robotgeek> theCore: yes, i am on kubuntu
[05:21] <LaserJock> theCore: basically, I think gnome has to fix yelp
[05:22] <theCore> gnome ? what do you mean ?
[05:23] <LaserJock> gnome needs to fix yelp
[05:25] <theCore> LaserJock: you mean gnome developpers, right?
[05:26] <LaserJock> theCore: right
[05:27] <Madpilot> Yelp in Dapper is significantly fixed, isn't it?
[05:27] <LaserJock> Madpilot: the weird character bug
[05:27] <Madpilot> the square things? is that still happening in Dapper?
[05:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:28] <Madpilot> not cool
[05:28] <LaserJock> yeah, basically there is supposed to be a "half" space where the 2003 box is
[05:29] <theCore> I wonder why they put the Packaging Guide in Dapper too
[05:29] <LaserJock> theCore: because I told them to :-)
[05:30] <theCore> LaserJock: why ? the guide is not even half finished
[05:30] <LaserJock> but it will be ;-)
[05:36] <LaserJock> theCore: it is up to you to finish it. j/k
[05:36] <theCore> *sigh*
[05:37] <theCore> I need more packaging experience
[05:37] <theCore> I need packages to package
[05:39] <LaserJock> theCore: did you see jpatrick's addition?
[05:39] <theCore> yeah
[05:40] <LaserJock> I'm enlisting some other help as well from a couple of the guys from -motu
[05:40] <theCore> he done a lot of work on the Kubuntu section
[05:41] <LaserJock> I'm up for MOTU tommorw, if that goes well then I think I can concentrate on the packaging guide more
[05:41] <Madpilot> If anyone needs basic proofreading done, drop me a note - the Ubuntu Desktop Guide seems to be mostly done
[05:47] <theCore> there's something I can't find explaination: why the Wiki has a SSL connection ?
[05:47] <Madpilot> because Mark used to run an encryption company?
[05:47] <LaserJock> isn't that for authentication?
[05:47] <LaserJock> lol
[05:47] <LaserJock> Madpilot's explanation is better
[05:49] <theCore> Madpilot: lol, but that still doesn't explain me why 
[05:49] <Madpilot> I don't know either
[05:50] <Madpilot> but there's the "encrypt absolutely everything, so the important stuff doesn't stand out" take on encryption...
[05:50] <LaserJock> I thought it was because it used LP for authentication, of course I could be wrong
[05:53] <theCore> IMHO, it's just a waste of money
[05:55] <mpt> It's so we can enjoy the picturesque landscape of the "The certificate for this site is inccorrect" alerts
[05:56] <Madpilot> all the certs got renewed (finally) in Jan. this year
[06:00] <theCore> does the Ubuntu slogan is still "Linux for human beings" ?
[06:01] <Madpilot> far as I know
[06:17] <FreakinNuts> Do we have a need/could you use documentation on the OEM install?
[07:04] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco 
[07:05] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, hi!
[07:05] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[07:06] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:07] <Kyral> LJ I may be sending some patches to the Packaging Guide soon
[07:08] <LaserJock> Kyral: great, I need some. Just make sure to keep your svn repo updated ;-)
[07:08] <Kyral> LaserJock: I have like 10 SVNs I Up everyday
[07:09] <LaserJock> Kyral: really? I've only got the doc team's really
[07:09] <Kyral> XFCE LO
[07:09] <Kyral> and the various Goodies :P
[07:15] <robotgeek> LaserJock: the bug seems to be fixed in yelp :) 
[07:15] <LaserJock> robotgeek: really? cool, I'm dist-upgrading right now
[07:16] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yup, just updated
[07:18] <jsgotangco> gentoo 2006 is really NICE
[07:19] <LaserJock> cool? did they add an installer?
[07:19] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:19] <jsgotangco> they beat us
[07:19] <jsgotangco> the x86 image is now a livecd installer
[07:20] <robotgeek> binaries?
[07:20] <robotgeek> head *swirls*
[07:20] <jsgotangco> it uses a gtk installer too
[07:21] <jsgotangco> but its good bling
[07:21] <jsgotangco> im trying it now
[07:21] <robotgeek> i've always wondered why we did not filch Fedora's Installer?
[07:21] <LaserJock> so do they do binaries after the install? or is it still source?
[07:22] <jsgotangco> LaserJock, i dunno i'm going to try it now
[07:22] <LaserJock> Gentoo was my first real Linux distro
[07:22] <LaserJock> I loved it
[07:23] <jsgotangco> but the livecd bootsplash is really nice too
[07:23] <LaserJock> I just can't believe Gentoo would have a livecd
[07:23] <robotgeek> Gentoo was my first distro too, i managed to screw yaboot up! lol
[07:26] <jsgotangco> it looks like its using gparted too
[07:26] <FreakinNuts> yeah....gentoo really has kinda stepped out there.
[07:27] <FreakinNuts> I was mucking around with it on vmware....it's been forever since I did a stage 1 install.
[07:28] <jsgotangco> hmm it defaults to ext2
[07:28] <LaserJock> I don't think I ever had the patience to do a stage 1 :)
[07:30] <jsgotangco> oh my
[07:30] <jsgotangco> i can choose stage 1, 2, 3 GRP and Dynamic
[07:30] <jsgotangco> and even indicate a stage tarball url
[07:31] <LaserJock> oh man, I think I might have to try this in Q on OSX
[07:32] <jsgotangco> "The stage 3 tarball is the recommended tarball for Gentoo installations. It contains a complete base system and is already optimized for whatever architecture/processor you download the stage 3 for."
[07:33] <jsgotangco> this is nice but rather scary for most users
[07:34] <robotgeek> gentoo 2006?
[07:34] <jsgotangco> you still define USE flags and CFLAGS
[07:34] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:34] <jsgotangco> i guess the default settings will work
[07:34] <jsgotangco> wow
[07:34] <jsgotangco> this is really maxing it
[07:35] <jsgotangco> even kernel source packages can be chosen
[07:37] <jsgotangco> lol super config settings
[07:37] <jsgotangco> fun
[07:47] <FreakinNuts> Gentoo is one of those "power toys"  It's great for someone who wants total control over their system, however, it's not the type of user that I'm looking to steer with ubuntu.
[07:47] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:48] <FreakinNuts> is the new ubuntu OEM installer going to be graphical, or still going to be text?
[07:52] <LaserJock> FreakinNuts: what do you mean by OEM?
[07:55] <jsgotangco> i haven't tried its probably the same
[07:56] <jsgotangco> a lot of people would try running the livecd then install from it though using espresso
[07:58] <FreakinNuts> LaserJock: I volunteer for a Freegeek and we're using the OEM install of ubuntu to prep the computers before they get adopted.
[07:59] <FreakinNuts> LaserJock: from the ubuntu installer disk, just type oem...really great for prepping a computer for the end user....
[08:00] <LaserJock> hmm, never seen that before, cool
[08:01] <FreakinNuts> LaserJock: Howerver, there needs to be more documentation as to what the OEM installer really does, and maybe even some functionality to install customized programs specific to the OEM install.  (for example, we'd like to have the freegeekcolumbus.org link in the help for our users to try to ask us for help first, instead of bogging you folks down with end-user requests)
[08:01] <FreakinNuts> LaserJock: my write up of the OEM install : http://freegeekcolumbus.org/wiki/OEM_Install
[08:01] <robotgeek> FreakinNuts: i think you would need to hack the installer cd for links and stuff
[08:02] <robotgeek> FreakinNuts: okay, sorry. i dunno what i am talking about!
[08:03] <jsgotangco> yeah, i wrote a 10-line oem howto before breezy came out
[08:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:03] <jsgotangco> 1. insert cd
[08:03] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:03] <jsgotangco> the new oem install is now a menu on boot though
[08:03] <FreakinNuts> jsgotangco: remember, computer literate people aren't the person that my guides are really intended for.
[08:04] <FreakinNuts> robotgeek: I'd like to get everything put together in a package that way that during the adoption class we can 'apt-get' the customization package.
[08:05] <robotgeek> FreakinNuts: hmm, okay. not sure how to do that, sorry
[08:05] <FreakinNuts> robotgeek: I've made .deb's before.
[08:06] <FreakinNuts> my big offer for help is if that you have documentation that is lacking or needs some help, I'd be willing to help/write/as needed.
[08:07] <FreakinNuts> Some examples of what I've done already: http://freegeekcolumbus.org/wiki/New_Freekbox_Manual
[08:07] <jsgotangco> the OEM is a good start
[08:08] <Burglaptop> any  thoughts on this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?action=diff
[08:08] <Burglaptop> FreakinNuts: hey, welcome
[08:08] <Burglaptop> FreakinNuts: we spoke on the phone
[08:11] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: I think I am going to revert that last edit to pbuilder
[08:11] <FreakinNuts> Burglaptop: Yup :)
[08:11] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: the sudo cat "APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1;" >> will not work
[08:11] <LaserJock> what about PbuilderHowto?
[08:11] <Burglaptop> robotgeek: can you revert it to using sudo, not sudo -s and fix the howto
[08:11] <robotgeek> cat "APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1;" | sudo tee -a  /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated
[08:11] <Burglaptop> LaserJock: the conversion to sudo -s
[08:12] <LaserJock> hmm, I guess I didn't get emailed about that :/
[08:12] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: sorry, my mistake. it will work 
[08:13] <Burglaptop> LaserJock: subscribe
[08:13] <LaserJock> I thought I had, I generally subscibe to all MOTU related pages as I kind try to clean up/ structure the MOTU wiki
[08:48] <mdke> robotgeek, that yelp bug should be fixed since yesterday
[08:48] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[08:48] <mdke> hiya Madpilot 
[08:49] <robotgeek> mdke: yup, i know. very nice
[08:50] <jsgotangco> yeah it works now
[08:50] <mdke> it's really a bug in our fonts, I think
[08:52] <robotgeek> hmm, i dunno. i calls them as i sees them :)
[08:52] <jsgotangco> mdke, its actually upstream, if you mean character 2002 and 2003
[08:53] <mdke> jsgotangco, yes, but that bug isn't present if you use (e.g.) fedora, it's due to a missing character in our fonts
[08:53] <jsgotangco> interesting
[08:54] <Madpilot> no half-space glyph in Sans? (I think someone said it was the half-space causing the error
[08:54] <Madpilot> )
[08:54] <mdke> yes
[08:59] <Madpilot> if anyone's actually using that bit of bash aliasing I sent to the list a while ago, try this version instead: alias usvn='cd ~/ubuntu-doc && svn up && zenity --text="Ubuntu DocTeam SVN Updated" --info'
[09:00] <jsgotangco> nice zenity
[09:00] <Madpilot> note that AFAIK this version is Gnome-specific
[09:00] <jsgotangco> notification bling
[09:00] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yup, i have a nice patcher script, if you are interested :)
[09:01] <Madpilot> yeah, the zenity bit is pure bling :P
[09:03] <Madpilot> Burglaptop, bite me
[09:04] <Madpilot> at least it's Gnome-based bling and I haven't been seduced over to KDE :)
[09:05] <Burglaptop> right
[09:06] <robotgeek> Madpilot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9509
[09:07] <robotgeek> also for anyone who emails mass patches :)
[09:08] <Madpilot> robotgeek, nice -  might have to put that to use if my commit access takes much longer
[09:09] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yeah, i am waiting too :)
[09:10] <mdke>  [08:08:57]  < stub> Launchpad is going down in 15 minutes time, which will also put the wikis into read only mode. Estimated down time is 10 minutes.
[09:12] <Madpilot> robotgeek, got that saved in Tomboy, along with a bunch of other notes on Bash & such
[09:13] <robotgeek> Madpilot: replace the M with a ?, and the svn diff with a rm, and lo..you have a cleaner script :)
[09:13] <Madpilot> useful
[09:27] <bhuvan> mdke: why havnt we providing dapper ubuntu-docs update for quite sometime ?
[09:28] <bhuvan> s/havnt we/we are not/
[09:48] <Burglaptop> night all
[09:48] <robotgeek> can someone clarify the DNS setting in (k)Ubuntu
[09:49] <robotgeek> i thought it was handled automagically?
[09:49] <bhuvan> robotgeek: yes ?
[09:49] <robotgeek> then why do we have the dns server setting in Network Settings?
[09:49] <robotgeek> or dns, at all
[09:50] <robotgeek> it looks like a copy of /etc/hosts
[09:50] <bhuvan> nope, if you meant dns
[09:50] <bhuvan> robotgeek: dns configuration is not necessary if your network is configured via dhcp
[09:51] <bhuvan> the dns server details are automagically (as you said) configured. refer /etc/resolv.conf for details
[09:51] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. only in case of static ip?
[09:51] <bhuvan> yep, you are correct, in case of static, we can configure dns server details in that screen
[09:52] <robotgeek> bhuvan: thanks, i'll add that bit in the KDG
[09:52] <bhuvan> should it be in kdg or serverguide ?
[09:53] <robotgeek> bhuvan: the gui tool is there, just one line on "connect to internet"
[09:53] <bhuvan> oh ok
[09:53] <bhuvan> sometimes isp provide dns server details and it will be configured automatically, you can specify this
[09:54] <bhuvan> sometimes they would do it automatically, so we should configure them manually
[09:54] <bhuvan> s/would/wont
[09:54] <robotgeek> ah, okay. thanks for information
[09:59] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[10:36] <mdke> bhuvan, pong
[10:36] <mdke> bhuvan, there was an ubuntu-docs upload 7 days ago
[10:36] <bhuvan> but, debian/control is dated feb 03 ?
[10:36] <jsgotangco> did your stylesheets get accepted?
[10:37] <mdke> jsgotangco, not yet, I don't think
[10:37] <jsgotangco> nnn
[10:37] <mdke> bhuvan, look at /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/changelog.gz
[10:37] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[10:38] <bhuvan> mdke, thanks. it is as on feb 13
[10:39] <mdke> it should be feb 21
[10:41] <robotgeek> should i retain the stuff about mozilla-firefox in KDG
[10:43] <Madpilot> is FF in Kubuntu by default?
[10:43] <robotgeek> nope
[10:43] <jpatrick> Konqueror
[10:44] <jsgotangco> we need no stinkeen''' memory hog
[10:44] <robotgeek> amen
[10:44] <jsgotangco> :D
[10:44] <mdke> heh
[10:44] <robotgeek> so i'll leave all the firefox tips out, and see if i can add any neat konquror tips
[10:44] <Madpilot> yeah, that's why I use Opera :p
[10:45] <mdke> <- epiphany
[10:45] <jpatrick> I have a svn diff
[10:45] <jsgotangco> yeah but epi still uses moz
[10:45] <Madpilot> Epiph has some cool features - it might even tempt me away from Opera in a few versions
[10:46] <bhuvan> mdke, i did update! now it shows feb 21, i guess we should update the file in our svn repo accordingly anyhow 
[10:46] <mdke> bhuvan, yes, I'll ask dholbach to merge in his changes
[10:46] <bhuvan> ok
[10:52] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, i like my web 2.0 stuff though, i wish epiphany was a bit extensible compared to firefox
[10:53] <Madpilot> meh. Extensions are an excuse for laziness on the part of browser devs.
[10:53] <Madpilot> (only half joking...) :p
[10:53] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:54] <jsgotangco> mdke, if you have time, can you make a review of the g-a-i manual so i could make final changes to it
[10:55] <mdke> jsgotangco, ok, i won't be likely to get to it before this weekend though, I'm afraid
[10:55] <jsgotangco> mdke, no worries
[10:55] <mdke> got a sort of exam thing at work
[10:55] <jsgotangco> exam at work?
[10:55] <jsgotangco> what sick employer does that
[10:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:56] <mdke> :)
[12:08] <robotgeek> any idea why the open office suite isn't mentioned at all in the common-tasks section of the udg?
[12:09] <mdke> robotgeek, we haven't got round to it
[12:09] <mdke> patches welcome on the office section, it's incredibly short
[12:09] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, feel free to copy from KDG. i think the section here is decent
[12:10] <mdke> ok i'll have a look
[12:10] <robotgeek> mdke: still working on common tasks, verifying,merging, deleteing etc 
[12:10] <mdke> oh yeah, you never sent me that mega patch
[12:11] <robotgeek> mdke: yeah, i spent the weekend at a friends. got drunk!
[12:11] <mdke> tut tut :)
[12:17] <jpatrick> robotgeek: at last you can drink
[12:17] <robotgeek> jpatrick: yup. met my friend after 3 years
[12:18] <jpatrick> cool :)
[12:32] <robotgeek> off to bed
[02:03] <jpatrick> hey Kamping_Kaiser 
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jpatrick, what's up 
[02:03] <jpatrick> packaging work and writing docs...
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm about to write docs, just not for us :/ lifes a strange beast like that
[02:05] <jpatrick> I'm doing Packaging Guide
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> getting there (i seem to recall something from the list, but i'm a bit tired)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm about to try and write a few paras on "I know that some programs are free to be copied and distributed where as others have copyright that limits distribution" and "i know that some standards are agreed by many interested parties whereas others are determined and controlled by individual interests" for some ingots training
[02:12] <robotgeek> mdke: ping
[02:12] <robotgeek> rob: ping
[02:13] <jpatrick> robotgeek: you slept for two hours
[02:13] <robotgeek> jpatrick: i havent slept at all
[02:13] <robotgeek> i wanted to finish the common tasks chapter today before sleeping
[02:13] <jpatrick> ah, right
[02:14] <robotgeek> i tried to, but couldn't :)
[02:14] <robotgeek> the sooner I finish this, i can work on other stuff
[02:14] <jpatrick> kfocus will be ready in a few moments
[02:15] <robotgeek> jpatrick: heh, i only need the menu entry location :)
[02:15] <jpatrick> it's in Utilites now
[02:16] <robotgeek> works for me :)
[02:17] <jpatrick> I have a ~20kb diff for PackGuide
[02:25] <nao23> Hi, is this the place one can come for answers?
[02:25] <robotgeek> nao23: for support questions, please go to #ubuntu
[02:25] <nao23> ok, thx
[02:55] <mdke> robotgeek, hi
[02:55] <robotgeek> mdke: just wanted to mention references to "sudo gedit" need to be corrected
[02:56] <robotgeek> to gksudo gedit
[02:56] <mdke> robotgeek, yes, ideally, although sudo gedit works I think
[02:57] <robotgeek> mdke: NEVER use sudo to start graphical programs. You should always use gksudo or kdesu to run such programs, otherwise new login attempts may fail. If this happens and at login an error message reports: "Unable to read ICE authority file", log in using the failsafe terminal and execute the command below subsituting user for your username.
[02:58] <robotgeek> has happened to me on gnome, and can be quite painful
[02:58] <mdke> that only happens on a kde/gnome split system, right?
[02:59] <robotgeek> mdke: nope, even on a pure gnome system
[02:59] <mdke> it doesn't happen if you run gnome apps with sudo in gnome
[02:59] <robotgeek> mdke: that's what the wiki says 
[02:59] <mdke> I've never seen that on my system, although I do it regularly
[03:00] <mdke> anyway, no reason not to use gksudo, of course
[03:00] <robotgeek> s/sudo/gksudo :)
[03:00] <mdke> ??
[03:01] <robotgeek> mdke: sorry, vim search and replace :)
[03:01] <mdke> ah
[03:01] <mdke> that would be bad
[03:01] <robotgeek> %s/sudo gedit/gksudo gedit/g
[03:01] <robotgeek> that would work :)
[03:03] <robotgeek> jpatrick: is there any other way to manage startup session programs other than "Save Session on Logout"
[03:04] <jpatrick> robotgeek: ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:04] <jpatrick> put a .desktop file there
[03:05] <robotgeek> jpatrick: and that can be copied from /usr/share /applications?
[03:06] <jpatrick> Yes
[03:06] <robotgeek> nice and easy, thanks
[03:06] <jpatrick> global: /usr/share/autostart
[03:07] <mdke> if there's a graphical way, best to document that first though
[03:07] <jpatrick> kcontrol-autostart
[03:08] <mdke> robotgeek, ^^
[03:09] <robotgeek> thanks! i prefer to document the gui way
[03:13] <Kaiser_Away> robotgeek: in all honesty i have only seen the ice issue when KDE apps are run sudo under Gnome (k3b springs to mind), but i still recomiend people against using sudo for the gui *shrug*. 
[03:14] <robotgeek> Kaiser_Away: might be it, but people will definetly mix and match. it might be better to prefer to gksudo way
[03:15] <Kaiser_Away> sure. just trying to add a bit of confustion :)
[04:22] <robotgeek> jpatrick: done with the changes for today. diff worth 292 K :)
[04:22] <jpatrick> :o
[04:27] <robotgeek> jpatrick: no, someone has to commit it first
[04:27] <jpatrick> right :)
[04:28] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: ping :)
[04:28] <mdke> and even before that, someone has to send it
[04:28] <robotgeek> mdke: sent it
[04:28] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, hi
[04:28] <mdke> well, it has to arrive then
[04:28] <robotgeek> crap, just overshot the limit i think
[04:28] <robotgeek> is it 40 kb/50 kb?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> doh
[04:29] <jsgotangco> hold on
[04:29] <robotgeek> and that was after compressing, lol
[04:29] <jpatrick> robotgeek: just overshot?
[04:29] <robotgeek> jpatrick: it said 49.1 kb after compression
[04:29] <mdke> don't push the file through if it's 282k
[04:29] <mdke> oh phew
[04:30] <jsgotangco> done
[04:31] <robotgeek> thanks jsgotangco
[04:33] <mdke> committed
[04:33] <jpatrick> If I have <bddebian@comcast.net> <- how doI stop that from being a tag?
[04:34] <robotgeek> thanks mdke
[04:37] <robotgeek> might not validate with one omission in libs/kde.ent
[04:38] <mdke> jpatrick, &lt;bddebian@comcast.net&gt;
[04:39] <mdke> robotgeek, best have a patch for that too, we need things to build for the preview server
[04:39] <robotgeek> mdke: yes, i can also patch the Makefile if you wish
[04:40] <mdke> robotgeek, is it necessary? or are you using desktopguide/C/mk?
[04:41] <jpatrick> thanks
[04:41] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, i am actually just using yelp. the mk file works as such, but it doesn't build status and such
[04:42] <robotgeek> mdke: it's just 2 lines, actually
[04:50] <jpatrick> mdke: sent a patch
[04:52] <jsgotangco> rob, it doesn't validate
[04:52] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, it doesnt validate
[04:52] <jsgotangco> oh
[04:52] <jsgotangco> nvm
[04:52] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: patch sent
[04:54] <jsgotangco> i still don't see it
[04:55] <jsgotangco> anyway someone will patch it
[04:55] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[04:55] <robotgeek> same here :)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> cheers
[05:41] <mdke> jpatrick, thanks. I won't apply it though, laserjock takes care of the packaging guide
[05:41] <jpatrick> I'll wait for him
[05:41] <mdke> thanks
[06:30] <jpatrick> hey LaserJock !
[06:30] <jpatrick> one whooping patch @ ubuntu-doc waiting for you
[06:31] <LaserJock> jpatrick: saw, that. thanks
[06:31] <LaserJock> I should get it applied this morning before the TB meeting ;-)
[06:32] <jpatrick> when is it?
[06:33] <LaserJock> 20:00UTC, but I'm going to try to be last because I have a meeting at 20:00
[06:39] <LaserJock> jpatrick: lol, did you get the merging material from the wiki?
[06:40] <jpatrick> err :)
[06:40] <LaserJock> I wrote that wiki page. it looked a little familiar
[06:40] <LaserJock> :)
[06:45] <jjesse> did that .diff for the packaging guide get applied/
[06:45] <jjesse> if it hasn't by the time i get back from lunch i'll apply it
[06:45] <jpatrick> soon
[06:46] <jpatrick> lunch eh? with anyone?
[06:46] <jjesse_lunch> nope, just lunch break @ work :)
[06:46] <jpatrick> ah well
[06:47] <LaserJock> jjesse_lunch: I'm working on it presently
[06:47] <mdke_> jjesse_lunch, best to leave packaging guide stuff to Laserjock
[06:47] <mdke_> he's best equipped to check it all
[06:47] <jjesse_lunch> mdke_: didn't know he had svn access
[06:47] <LaserJock> jpatrick: so we need this kdepot patch, correct?
[06:48] <jpatrick> yes
[06:48] <mdke_> jjesse_lunch, ah right, he does :)
[06:48] <LaserJock> jjesse_lunch: I do, thank goodness
[06:48] <jpatrick> Riddell took it of the site
[06:48] <jpatrick> so I made a files dir
[06:49] <jpatrick> just didn't come out in the diff
[06:49] <LaserJock> jpatrick:is there a place I can download it from? or can I get you to email the patch to me
[06:51] <mdke_> "svn add filename" if you've added a new file and want it in the diff
[06:53] <jpatrick> mdke_: ok I'll remember that
[06:53] <jpatrick> LaserJock: sent
[06:53] <LaserJock> jpatrick: thanks
[07:08] <jpatrick> I'm going to do upgrade notes tonight
[07:18] <LaserJock> jpatrick: ok, I'm applying your stuff. Just remember to put <para> inside of <note>, etc. ;-)
[07:20] <LaserJock> jpatrick: you can validate what your doing by running validate.sh on the packagingguide.xml file
[07:37] <jpatrick> LaserJock: didn't I?
[07:39] <jpatrick> :/ hmm
[07:40] <LaserJock> I had to add a few, np though
[09:50] <robotgeek> mdke: Can you apply my minor patch? or are you still reviewing?
[09:52] <LaserJock> robotgeek: good news, I made MOTU!
[09:52] <robotgeek> LaserJock: congrats!!
[09:52] <robotgeek> LaserJock: awesome!
[09:52] <LaserJock> thanks
[09:53] <robotgeek> very nice...science team has 2 MOTU's now :)
[09:53] <LaserJock> yes, that is very important
[09:53] <LaserJock> I haven't seen tritium for a while
[09:53] <jpatrick> and there are 6 kde ones
[09:54] <robotgeek> jpatrick: :)
[09:54] <robotgeek> jpatrick: maybe i'll get involved in packaging stuff for dapper+1
[09:54] <LaserJock> I'm pretty DE neutral, I'm an equal opportunity MOTU ;-)
[09:54] <robotgeek> :)
[09:55] <jpatrick> robotgeek: great :)
[09:55] <robotgeek> jpatrick: who knows what which DE will have my fancy then, lol
[09:56] <LaserJock> ratpoison ;-)
[09:56] <robotgeek> i love my control keys, ty very much 
[09:57] <LaserJock> FVWM perhaps?
[09:58] <LaserJock> I think in my gentoo days I might have possibly installed every WM known
[09:58] <robotgeek> maybe, i'll just stick to KDE. it is very nice
[09:58] <robotgeek> LaserJock: you had time to kill, did you not :)
[09:58] <robotgeek> i compiled Fluxbox and left it at that
[09:59] <LaserJock> lol
[09:59] <LaserJock> I was definitely a merge-aholic
[10:00] <robotgeek> heh
[10:00] <LaserJock> hmm, that reminds me, I downloaded the new Gentoo .iso last night
[10:01] <LaserJock> arghh, so many distros, so little time :(
[10:02] <LaserJock> I'm using Windows, OSX, Ubuntu/Kubuntu, and a few qemu images on the side ;-)
[10:03] <jpatrick> I threw Windows ages ago
[10:03] <jpatrick> and I don't have a Maz
[10:03] <jpatrick> mac*
[10:27] <robotgeek> jjesse: ping
[10:34] <mdke> robotgeek, i applied it already
[10:34] <mdke> LaserJock, congratulations
[10:35] <robotgeek> mdke: ah, thanks
[10:35] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks, it is a big relief to have that over
[10:36] <mdke> :)
[10:36] <mdke> pleased for ya
[10:37] <jjesse> robotgeek: pong
[10:37] <LaserJock> now I can get some doc team work done ;-)
[10:38] <robotgeek> jjesse: nvm, mdke applied it already :)
[10:38] <jjesse> ah