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[n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nomed [n=nomed@host89-124.pool872.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:01] hi all [08:01] hi all [08:01] hi [08:01] lets start [08:01] hi [08:01] everybody look at the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanieleFavara/ProposedAgenda [08:02] during the meeting [08:02] ok item 1) [08:02] pkg selection [08:02] define a deifnitive list [08:02] the pdf viewer is going to be evince-gtk [08:02] I reallyy have to package it now 0.5.1 release [08:03] perfect [08:03] burner: graveman (althoug it crashed last time) [08:03] I tried butnign a CD [08:03] some glib error [08:03] janimo, the same .. [08:03] Mail client: sylpheed-claws? [08:03] +1 [08:03] I don;t know the upstream said he would get it into dapper [08:03] I did not follow the progress of that [08:04] nomed, so you think it is better than plain sylpheed? [08:04] janimo, sylpheed-claws gtk2 ? [08:04] sure [08:04] yes [08:04] ok [08:04] since I use TB I cannot decide [08:04] player: xfmedia? [08:04] I know it has a klunky interface [08:04] janimo, not sure about that [08:04] woudl gxine or something else be better? [08:05] janimo, i tested some .. [08:05] it's advantage os that is upstream xfce stuff, but it's not very friendly [08:05] and xine is the one that works better [08:05] xine-ui [08:05] yes, my expericence too [08:05] or mplayer but that is too complicated I guess [08:05] xfmedia crashes while trying to play audiocd [08:05] janimo, i think mplayer is too complicated :) [08:05] yes [08:06] xine-ui always worked fine for me [08:06] ok, xine-ui should be good === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.163.27] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:06] but have to see if it uses only libxine-main (the free codecs) === ranf [n=ranf_@dslb-084-058-180-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:07] hi [08:07] hi [08:07] archive manager, we don;t have one [08:07] we may need to package xarchive{r} [08:08] yep [08:08] since debian has ITP but no package last time Ilooked [08:08] I haven;t used either so I could not say which is better (stable, small, fast other criteria) [08:08] stable is preferable [08:08] janimo, xarchive works fine ... [08:08] but i normally use the shell ... [08:08] is that the one in C or the one that calls out ot shell scripts? [08:09] nomed but it's not packaged right? [08:09] it calls out shell scripts [08:09] in universe i think [08:09] let me check [08:09] could you investigate both and see which is better? [08:09] we canot wait for debian with this [08:10] k [08:10] janimo, i think i pkged it :/ [08:10] so we have to decide on player and archiver [08:10] nomed, good [08:11] xarchive is not in universe [08:11] nomed, not it is not [08:11] does that mean we can't use it ? [08:11] we should package it and get it in as part of xubuntu dapper goal [08:11] this UpstreamFreeze is driving me crazy :) [08:11] k [08:12] next, libraries [08:12] all gnomeprint/canvas ones are ok [08:13] perfect ... === _mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:13] so abiword is usable as it is now ? [08:13] abiword doe snotr dep on gnome [08:13] gconf and gnome-keyring are brought in by gdm [08:13] and update manager so we need to dep on them as well :( [08:14] it was the second question :) [08:14] when we get to write the doc: we wil definitely specify there is default and on CD install, just as with ubuntu [08:14] janimo, we should write down a list of all the ubuntu pkges [08:14] i mean [08:14] universe vs main: they are getting promoted, I will ping today about their status [08:15] as ... update manager [08:15] nomed, well proposed packages is a mess [08:15] we may need to clean that page [08:15] janimo, i mean those ubuntu specific pkges [08:15] what ubuntu specific ones? [08:16] ? [08:16] hwdb-client udpatemanager [08:16] and so on [08:16] Item 2) Is the aim to be as well-integrated as Ubuntu? [08:16] update manager deps on gconf only so yes it will be in [08:16] I may try to make that dep optional too but ni guarrantees [08:16] hwdb deps on gnome too === hob [n=hob@cpc2-linc4-5-1-cust244.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:17] if gnome-python were split it would help solving both these [08:17] probbaly that is what we'll try to do and persuade seb to take the patch [08:17] 2) Is the aim to be as well-integrated as Ubuntu? [08:17] would be nice but no time for dapper for sure [08:18] network manager will be on the CD for people to try it out if they wish [08:18] same for power manager and other gnome niceties which are small [08:18] k [08:18] ivman, installed by default but not started [08:18] ok? [08:19] or maybe only on the CD? as most people will not have heard of it so won;t need it [08:19] yes === stuporglue [n=Stuporgl@monsters.cs.byu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:19] maybe on the CD only to keep install as small as posiible [08:19] janimo, well or installed and started .. [08:19] on just on the install cd .. [08:19] anyway will not be started or it will conflict with thunar [08:19] right, so on the CD but not in default install [08:19] k [08:19] desktop icons, we'll porbbaly make them default in xfdekstop [08:20] desktop notifications: I don';t know what could use them right now so probably not [08:20] 3)artwork [08:21] logo: I am very determined to use the mouse in circle [08:21] +1 [08:21] but not sure about colors [08:21] yes [08:21] color scheme should be defined [08:21] this is something everyone will have an opinion about [08:22] hmm, but by whom? ubuntu-art, upstream xfce-art ? [08:22] they shoudl al lhave a say in that [08:22] even xfce upstream has not deicded on what to use fro 4.4 [08:23] janimo, that theme i proposed is the one on which an xfce artist is working [08:23] icon theme: what is the status of tango with xfce? [08:23] nomed, yes I saw that on xfce-dev [08:23] janimo, it'll be just a little step [08:23] different for icon-naming spec .. [08:23] we may just use the rodent icon theme with the naming spec improvements they add until 4.4? [08:23] tango I find nicer [08:24] but maybe it's not complete enough [08:24] gtk engine should preferably be one of the fast ones [08:24] maybe not a cairo based on [08:24] i think an artist should propose something for this [08:25] do you have contacts with ubuntu art or xfce art by any chance? [08:25] cause I don;t [08:25] we have to invite these guys [08:25] we can try to post a message on the list [08:25] would be nice [08:25] artnay, ping ? [08:25] want to do it? [08:26] janimo, we can ask directly to artnay if he is here .. [08:26] ok [08:26] maybe he can do that [08:26] janimo, the problem here is that [08:26] first of all ... [08:26] he;s over in ubuntu-artwork [08:26] we should define a color palette [08:27] this is something I know little about [08:27] and a sensitive subject since it involves taste [08:27] eehehe [08:27] really the only input so far is do not look like kde [08:27] although I am not sure why the logo looks like kde, it does not really [08:27] janimo, graphite theme is neutral ..... [08:27] blue but different [08:28] and it's ok even with blue ... [08:28] I like blue too [08:29] but xubuntu-artists are needed here :/ [08:29] but i quickly get used to any color theme [08:29] I hope to get the first ISO out soon, and then in the announcement will ask for artists/docmuenters/translators [08:29] need to ping Colin and see possible ETA for CD building [08:30] that's would help very much [08:30] to get more people in xubuntu ... [08:30] you see even ubuntu gnome is undecided on art stuff and other things related to look and feel (logout dialog) [08:31] janimo, their problem is different .. i think [08:31] they've too much stuff :) [08:31] well once we announce we will have too :) [08:31] :) [08:31] proposals for themes/colors/flames :) [08:31] 4)Tasks [08:31] so we could meet in a week from now, same hour? [08:32] for me it's ok [08:32] till then, I'll hope to have evince, CD build sorted out [08:32] I'll be there if my presence is needed :) [08:32] could you look into xarchiver and xarcvhive and see which is better? [08:32] Gloubiboulga: sure [08:33] i can yes [08:33] we need to decide on panel layout and menu [08:33] janimo, yes [08:33] I'll put something saner but not final next upload [08:33] so the panels are stretched [08:34] janimo, i'll write a wiki page for that .. [08:34] panel and menu [08:34] ok thanks, mail the report of xarchiver to xubuntu-dev [08:34] ok [08:34] ok [08:34] do you intend to package them too? === Vinze [n=vinze@a80-126-159-235.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:34] janimo, i can pkge them ... [08:35] if so put biinary debs or source packagesomewhere [08:35] but if not it's ok just say which is stabler [08:35] and generally better [08:35] ok [08:35] no need to package bith if we willonly use one [08:35] both [08:35] thanks [08:35] anything else? [08:35] janimo, no [08:35] we finsihed undr an hour, good :) [08:35] :) [08:36] ok have a nice evening then :) [08:36] cu janimo [08:36] see you next week, with hopefully good progress done [08:36] cu janimo Gloubiboulga [08:36] bye nomed [08:36] by Gloubiboulga [08:36] Guess I"m late... [08:36] Vinze, yes :) [08:36] Crap [08:36] you can read the backlog [08:37] Anyway, I can do some translating... [08:37] that would be great [08:37] FR? [08:37] NL [08:37] I already help a bit on Xfce [08:37] I did Thunar [08:37] good, we need translators [08:37] will probably ask on xfce-i18n once we have an iso out [08:37] k [08:38] I'm on that so I guess I'll notive [08:38] notice === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mementor [n=villejuh@62.142.170.38] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mementor [n=villejuh@62.142.170.38] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:46] mdz: did you happen to get an email from crimsun about me (Jordan Mantha)? [08:46] no [08:46] :/ === _mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:56] Hi [08:57] hi [08:57] hi folks [08:57] Hey [08:57] hi everybody [08:57] Hey === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:58] evening all [08:58] hey [08:59] I've sent an SMS to Keybuk [08:59] only recurring items on the agenda today === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:00] we'll begin; hopefully Keybuk will join us [09:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:01] I think all of the pending membership applications for ubuntu-core-dev are invalid [09:01] mdz: Matches what I thought [09:01] mdz: I had no answer back from all of them. [09:01] yup [09:01] none of them are MOTUs or had prior contact with the TB about their applications === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [09:02] so I'll decline them all with an appropriate comment === Vinze [n=vinze@a80-126-159-235.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [09:02] i'll do that while you guys get stated on MOTU [09:02] ok, thanks [09:02] LaserJock: you're here? === LaserJock is Jordan Mantha [09:03] glad you could make it at the scheduled time [09:03] well, I'm ditching a RL meeting to be here so hopefully I won't get in too much trouble [09:03] ;-) [09:03] daring [09:03] LaserJock: I have your wiki page up, but would you like to summarize in a few sentences what it's all about for you? [09:04] I got started working for MOTU because I had a problem with a package and I wanted to fix [09:04] it [09:04] and Ubuntu was the first distro I truly felt a part of the community and wanted to give back [09:05] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/015279.html is an interview dholbach did of me for the MOTU Report [09:05] LaserJock: any suggestions for ways we can boost Utnubu? [09:06] sabdfl: I think the biggest thing is getting new MOTU wannabes involved and making it easy to get in touch with people [09:06] ok [09:06] most of the old timers know what they are doing or are more "set" in their ways [09:06] great wiki page, btw, very well laid out [09:06] LaserJock: can you tell us a bit about MOTUScience and your goals for it? [09:07] LaserJock: would you be interested in an Ubuntu derivative specifically for university use? [09:07] mdz: My main goal is to make sure that Ubuntu keeps up with Debian, and where possible provide a pathway for interested scientists to contribute [09:07] LaserJock: in what ways can we make Ubuntu more useful to the science community? [09:07] sabdfl: I'm more interested in making Ubuntu a good desktop for scientific use rather than a derivative, but Edubuntu is promising [09:08] mdz: providing free/open source packages as alternatives to traditional, expensive, proprietary apps [09:08] do you see the scientific community as different from the university one? [09:08] see w.u.c/UbuntuScientists for example [09:08] yes, i hopw to work closer with the MOTUScience team for dapper+1, we want to get other apps in and also provide a more marture set of apps [09:08] *hope [09:09] LaserJock: are there many plausible alternatives to proprietary scientific apps which are not yet available in Ubuntu? [09:09] LaserJock: How do you think we can effectively market Ubuntu to scientists? [09:09] sabdfl: in some ways. the scientific community often lives inside the university, but is more geared towards research instead of education (in the traditional sense) [09:09] Hotel. No Internet Access. [09:10] mdz: yes, some. Kyral has been working on FlowDesigner for MOTUScience. [09:10] mjg59: By being a great desktop while also being able to provide scientific packages that are up-to-date, bug free ;-), and getting new packages in [09:11] mdz: is keybuk traveling for you? [09:11] sabdfl: yes [09:11] I am particularly interested in people using Ubuntu for writing dissertations and publications, data analysis,etc. [09:12] but a guy in the department yesterday had me get him an Ubuntu disk to put on his computational cluster because it worked better than SuSE [09:12] LaserJock: apart from improving Ubuntu to make it appealing to scientists, how can we let them know that it exists and might be useful to them? [09:12] LaserJock: As a final year PhD student myself, I'm very interested in ways that I can get more people in the community running Ubuntu :) [09:12] ok, +1 for LaserJock from me [09:13] LaserJock: who has been sponsoring your uploads so far? [09:13] mdz: I think there is a pretty solid scientific base in Ubuntu, I think marketing Ubuntu as being able to run your science apps + having a good desktop experience === sistpoty sponsored one or two uploads... and reviewed a package on revu [09:14] mjg59: by making it easy for students/researchers to get there work done and not getting in the way [09:14] being a MOTU, I was actually surprised to learn that LaserJock wasn't a MOTU yet. He really did a lot of excellent work inside MOTU, and he has been around for longer than I have. I very strongly recommend him for MOTU. [09:14] LaserJock has been around for a very long time, and his packaging work is really good :) [09:14] dholbach: any comments on LaserJock? [09:15] mdz: crimsun and \sh did a lot of sponsoring for me but again, crimsun was unable to make the meeting (I asked him to email dholbach or mdz) and \sh is sorta away it seems [09:15] after there was not a real agreement on him in the last TB meeting I had a look at some of his patches/uploads and they were ok for me [09:15] thanks [09:15] Riddell also uploaded my first package from scratch (plotdrop) [09:16] Riddell: around? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:17] yes, plotdrop was in good shape when I reviewed it, which I think was after a few revisions on revu, so I advocate LaserJock as much as I can from 1 package [09:17] I think the 2 big issues as far as MOTUScience goes is licensing (getting upstreams to have DFSG free licenses) and bugs (lots of science apps are poorly maintained) [09:18] mjg59: any further questions? [09:18] I hope by organizing interested parties around science related apps we can help solve those issues [09:18] those uploads weren't hardcore-deep-down-fixes, but what I like about LaserJock is that he tries to organize the MOTU world a bit and I think he'll be an asset for the last-weeks-fixing-up-dappers-universe - and I like his honesty, I don't think he would upload packages without being really sure (or having asked others) [09:18] Nope, I think the combination of this and last time is good for me [09:19] ok [09:19] +1 from me based on peer recommendations and history of working within the community [09:19] +1 for working on stuff I'd be doing if I had more time [09:20] ;-) [09:20] LaserJock: congratulations and welcome aboard [09:20] congratulations LaserJock [09:20] congrats LaserJock! finally :) [09:20] :-) very good choice to get him in :-) [09:20] I think we had a couple of folks from the last meeting who were deferred due to lack of time [09:20] thanks TB and thanks all the MOTUs and wannabes [09:20] well done LaserJock [09:20] is anyone here in that category? [09:21] yay LaserJock !! [09:21] LaserJock: congrets!! [09:21] OK, if not, is there anyone else present who is applying for ubuntu-dev/MOTU membership/ [09:21] s,/,?/ [09:21] congrats LaserJock :) [09:22] congrats LaserJock :) [09:22] Ivailo Ivanov? [09:22] freeflying? [09:22] sleeping [09:23] if not, then we're finished [09:23] with memberships [09:23] is there any other business? === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:24] looks like we're done ... [09:24] hearing none, adjourned [09:24] that must have been one of the quickest TB meetings :) [09:24] thanks, everyone === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] [09:24] Cool [09:24] mjg59: do you have a few minutes to send a summary to -devel-announce? should be a short one [09:24] mjg59: and I have to finish writing the last one [09:24] dholbach, we had quicker ones :) .... but that was really fast ... its carnival in 50% of the world :) === mvo stops lurking and goes for carnival [09:25] heh [09:25] night all [09:25] bye sabdfl [09:25] night sabdfl [09:25] must mean that ubuntu dev's like to samba... 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