[12:05] <lifeless> ajmitch_: just pull it
[12:05] <lifeless> ajmitch_: then run path-to-it/bzr
[12:07] <sivang> have any of your gentelmans been able to have emacs happy under Xgl?
[12:07] <sivang> s/your/you/
[12:08] <Seveas> sivang, if emacs can't make me happy, I wont try to make emacs happy :p
[12:09] <sivang> heheh
[12:09] <sivang> Well, it keeps me happy pretty well, so I rally want to try and make it comfy for him under Xgl.
[12:09] <ajmitch_> lifeless: yeah, that just requires some effort :)
[12:10] <lifeless> pftt
[12:10] <ajmitch_> and probably about an hour or so to branch it on this link
[12:24] <netzmeister> yeah..
[12:24] <netzmeister> my first Ubuntu Package..
[12:24] <netzmeister> jippie
[12:25] <netzmeister> can anyone test my package?
[12:25] <koke> where are the build logs now??
[12:25] <tseng> in launchpad
[12:25] <koke> totem is broken on dapper for ppc :(
[12:25] <koke> w0w
[12:25] <koke> tseng, where exactly?
[12:26] <koke> I can't find the link
[12:26] <tseng> uh
[12:26] <tseng> you act like *I* can find things in launchpad
[12:27] <tseng> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds?build_state=failed
[12:27] <koke> I'v found it once I knew it was there :)
[12:28] <koke> err, but it's hard without searching :(
[12:28] <ajmitch_> koke: launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/totem
[12:28] <ajmitch_> and select a version
[12:29] <ajmitch_> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/171108
[12:29] <ajmitch_> dep-wait
[12:30] <koke> I got it :)
[12:31] <koke> it's only me or launchpad is hard to use??
[12:31] <tseng> i find it amazingly frustrating
[12:33] <ajmitch_> koke: no, most people are confused by it
[12:33] <LaserJock> somethings seem cool, others are just terrible
[12:34] <koke> I think mpt is doing a great job on UI enhacements, but lp grows too fast to be reviewed by only one person
[12:34] <ajmitch_> and mpt doesn't have the final say on things
[12:34] <koke> who is also taking care of ubuntu usability, I presume
[12:34] <koke> ajmitch_, that's another point :)
[12:35] <ajmitch_> I haven't heard that he's doing ubuntu usability work
[12:35] <ajmitch_> hopefully I can catch up with him again soon
[12:35] <koke> ajmitch_, I just know he has filed some usability bugs I'm subscribed to
[12:37] <koke> my problem is that I don't feel comfortable filing bugs agaisnt LP, being closed source
[12:37] <koke> mostly because I love to file bugs with patches :)
[12:52] <dholbach> good night everybody
[12:53] <LaserJock> cya dholbach, I like your -motu email.
[12:53] <dholbach> nice :)
[12:53] <dholbach> *Wave*
[12:56] <ajmitch_> ah, now the uvf rules have changed again
[12:57] <LaserJock> of course ;p
[01:01] <tseng> oh jeez
[01:43] <dolson> if I have a kernel that I customize and want it to be the default kernel, what should the package name be? or in the Makefile, what should the ExtraVersion be?
[01:47] <TheMuso> dolson: Are you using kernel-package to build the kernel?
[01:55] <dolson> TheMuso: yeah
[01:58] <dolson> the EXTRAVERSION is =.4 by default
[02:32] <zakame> hi MOTUs :D
[02:32] <ajmitch_> hi
[02:33] <LaserJock> hi zakame
[02:34] <zakame> hi ajmitch_ LaserJock!
[03:08] <bmonty> evening everyone
[03:12] <dolson> hey bmonty
[03:12] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[03:13] <bmonty> hey LaserJock, dolson
[03:13] <dolson> LaserJock: you get MOTU yet?
[03:16] <LaserJock> hopefully tomorrow 20:00ish UTC
[03:16] <dolson> ah, good for you
[03:18] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: sorry, I can't make it to that meeting either :)
[03:18] <LaserJock> well, technically I can't make it until 21:00 as I have a meeting
[03:19] <LaserJock> hopefully I'll have a few more champions at tomorrow's meeting
[03:20] <bmonty> LaserJock: I'll try to be there
[03:20] <dolson> I know I can't help in any way, shape, or form, but I'll hopefully be there cheering you on.. :)
[03:20] <LaserJock> bmonty: that would be great
[03:21] <LaserJock> dolson: thanks
[03:22] <LaserJock> I'm really hoping \sh or crimsun will be able to show
[03:48] <bmonty> anyone working on unmet deps yet?
[03:56] <ajmitch_> bmonty: sure, people have been doing that for quite awhile
[03:56] <bmonty> ajmitch_: are people not updating the web page?
[03:56] <ajmitch_> bmonty: btw hi! :)
[03:56] <ajmitch_> bmonty: web page?
[03:56] <bmonty> MOTU/WorkInProgress
[03:56] <ajmitch_> do you mean the wiki?
[03:56] <bmonty> ajmitch_: hi to you also :)
[03:57] <ajmitch_> wikis should not have to be abused for such tasks :)
[03:57] <ajmitch_> and people probably aren't updating
[03:57] <bmonty> ajmitch_: yeah, the wiki, I agree that it is not the best for the task
[03:57] <ajmitch_> and so the wiki pages get stale again
[03:58] <bmonty> I hope that launchpad will one day support some of these tasks
[03:59] <ajmitch_> 'one day'
[03:59] <ajmitch_> seems to be the launchpad motto
[04:00] <bmonty> :)
[04:02] <bmonty> hey, its a 50% solution for about 20% of the tasks, still has a way to go
[04:05] <ajmitch_> heh
[07:04] <viviersf> omw
[07:04] <viviersf> 510 updating packages since last night
[07:04] <viviersf> 0_ol
[07:05] <Kyral> Did you *just* Dist-Up?
[07:07] <viviersf> yep
[07:07] <viviersf> prolly cos of glibc
[07:16] <ajmitch_> viviersf: and you're on a nice slow connection?
[07:18] <viviersf> ajmitch_, im in south africa :P
[07:18] <viviersf> should say it all
[07:18] <viviersf> im getting 28.9 kb/s now
[07:18] <viviersf> wait till everyone starts working :(
[07:18] <viviersf> will go to 4kb/s
[07:18] <viviersf> :(
[07:20] <ajmitch_> impressive
[07:47] <viviersf> ajmitch_, im such an idiot
[07:48] <viviersf> i found out why there are 510 updated packages :(
[07:48] <ajmitch_> why is that?
[07:52] <viviersf> i didnt run apt-get dist-upgrade in the chroot :(
[07:59] <LaserJock> dholbach: hi
[07:59] <dholbach> hello!
[07:59] <LaserJock> dholbach: just got your bug comment on the copyright for ubuntu-docs
[08:00] <dholbach> yeah, i haven't had coffee yet - fear me in that state :-)
[08:00] <LaserJock> dholbach: I couldn't figure out which way to go on that. I was sorta thinking along your lines but I wasn't sure
[08:01] <ajmitch_> hi dholbach
[08:01] <dholbach> LaserJock: I absolutely understand
[08:01] <dholbach> hey andrew!
[08:01] <ajmitch_> how are you this morning?
[08:01] <ajmitch_> where's the rest of the german MOTU cabal this morning? ;)
[08:02] <dholbach> still a bit sleepy, but I'l hopfully be awake enough soon to get the (currently) 16 gnome tarballs packages
[08:02] <dholbach> packaged
[08:02] <ajmitch_> great
[08:05] <dholbach> ajmitch_: you test-built and installed f-spot?
[08:05] <ajmitch_> dholbach: of course
[08:05] <dholbach> ajmitch_: how good does it work?
[08:06] <ajmitch_> works well enough for my personal use
[08:06] <ajmitch_> I'm in constant contact with upstream as well
[08:06] <dholbach> ok
[08:07] <ajmitch_> nor have I done something for sqlite db migration
[08:08] <ajmitch_> however it's remaining in universe & so doesn't need to use sqlite 3 yet
[08:09] <dholbach> ajmitch_: commented on it, let's see how the others see it
[08:09] <dholbach> and now I'm back to packaging :)
[08:10] <ajmitch_> thank you very much :)
[08:11] <LaserJock> you guys seen wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu?
[08:11] <ajmitch_> yes, I have
[08:11] <ajmitch_> he's been in here a few times as well
[08:12] <ajmitch_> it's probably in part due to my nagging that he put a big disclaimer on the checkinstall-mangled packages :)
[08:12] <LaserJock> I mean the wiki page specifically, I've talked with him but I hadn't seen any documentation yet
[08:12] <ajmitch_> right
[08:12] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, that is a good thing...indicating about checkinstall
[08:12] <ajmitch_> the wiki page was one of the first things he put up
[08:12] <LaserJock> ah, I see
[08:13] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: sorry, checkinstall is not mentioned on the wiki page, but it was in his mail to u-users
[08:13] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[08:15] <ajmitch_> I think it's about time for me to go offline for the evening
[08:21] <LaserJock> goodnight guys
[08:22] <LaserJock> dholbach: I'll be trying for MOTU again at 20:00 UTC :-)
[08:23] <ajmitch_> night all
[08:23] <dholbach> nice :)
[08:23] <dholbach> night ajmitch_
[09:12] <G0SUB> jpatrick are you free now?
[09:12] <jpatrick> yes
[09:13] <G0SUB> jpatrick can we do some bug bashing?
[09:13] <jpatrick> if you want :)
[09:13] <G0SUB> jpatrick hey, why not!
[09:13] <G0SUB> okay, let me find one ...
[09:13] <jpatrick> I'll be here
[09:13] <G0SUB> fine
[09:14] <G0SUB> jpatrick btw, that day, you didn't put my name anywhere on your bug closing report ... how would I prove that I helped you then?
[09:17] <jpatrick> because they'll go to the bug and see your patch
[09:17] <jpatrick> next time I'll add
[09:17] <G0SUB> jpatrick heh, the patch was not mine ... that's the issue
[09:18] <G0SUB> and I didn't take credit away from the guy by putting in my name there
[09:18] <G0SUB> okay, no issues
[09:22] <G0SUB> jpatrick would it be okay if I put my name on the changelog and write ``patch from foo bar'' ?
[09:23] <jpatrick> yes
[09:23] <G0SUB> fine
[09:29] <siretart> morning motus!
[09:29] <Hobbsee> evening siretart
[09:29] <jpatrick> guten tag siretart
[09:29] <siretart> hallo jpatrick :) - Hi Hobbsee
[09:30] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: wie gehts?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> doesnt look to be spelt right...
[09:30] <jpatrick> gut (I guess)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:43] <G0SUB> jpatrick http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/rtfm/
[09:43] <G0SUB> fixes Malone #32767
[09:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32767 in rtfm "Uninstallable (missing dependency)" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32767
[09:44] <G0SUB> jpatrick I just need 4-5 hours ... I will quash all motu-reviewers bugs today
[09:45] <jpatrick> G0SUB: what's your name so I can upload?
[09:45] <G0SUB> jpatrick Baishampayan Ghose
[09:45] <G0SUB> brb
[09:55] <G0SUB> jpatrick is it okay?
[09:56] <jpatrick> G0SUB: yep, just about to upload
[09:57] <G0SUB> :)
[09:58] <jpatrick> done
[09:59] <phanatic> hi people
[09:59] <jpatrick> hi phanatic
[10:00] <G0SUB> close the bugreport
[10:01] <jpatrick> did
[10:01] <G0SUB> ok
[10:06] <siretart> dholbach: see invite
[10:10] <Tonio_> hi
[10:11] <G0SUB> can anyone provide me with a dapper pbuilder base.tgz ?
[10:12] <G0SUB> jpatrick if I provide you with just the patch, will it do?
[10:13] <jpatrick> G0SUB: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PbuilderHowto
[10:13] <G0SUB> jpatrick I know how to use pbuilder. it's just failing here for some reasons
[10:13] <jpatrick> no debug?
[10:14] <G0SUB> yes, it fails at vim-common or something
[10:14] <G0SUB> jpatrick if I provide you with just the patch, will it do?
[10:16] <jpatrick> yes
[10:16] <G0SUB> ok
[10:20] <StevenK_> G0SUB: I can put a dapper base.tgz on the net if you like.
[10:21] <G0SUB> StevenK please do
[10:21] <StevenK> i386 or amd64?
[10:21] <G0SUB> i386
[10:21] <G0SUB> thanks in advance
[10:22] <StevenK> G0SUB: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/base-dapper-i386.tgz
[10:22] <StevenK> G0SUB: Keep in mind it's 56Mb, so it will take a little while.
[10:22] <G0SUB> StevenK I am on a fat pipe :)
[10:22] <StevenK> I'm not.
[10:23] <StevenK> You'll average around 22KB/s, since that's what my upload rate will max out at.
[10:23] <G0SUB> fine
[10:24] <G0SUB> jpatrick http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/libccscript3/ccscript.patch
[10:24] <G0SUB> Closes Malone #32363
[10:24] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32363 in libccscript3 "libccscript3-1.0-0 has an unmet dep" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32363
[10:27] <G0SUB> StevenK I am maxing at 25kBps
[10:31] <G0SUB> jpatrick got it?
[10:31] <jpatrick> yep
[10:31] <G0SUB> ok
[10:31] <jpatrick> G0SUB: close bug report
[10:32] <phanatic> siretart: if i have already filed an uvf request (some weeks ago), shall i report it as a bug on malone as well?
[10:32] <G0SUB> jpatrick i closed it in the changelog
[10:32] <siretart> phanatic: I'm sorry if I missed your request. Which package was it?
[10:32] <jpatrick> I don't think that closes it
[10:33] <G0SUB> jpatrick umm?
[10:33] <G0SUB> ``Closes: Malone #32363.''
[10:33] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32363 in libccscript3 "libccscript3-1.0-0 has an unmet dep" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32363
[10:33] <StevenK> G0SUB: Let me know when you've finished, so I can remove it.
[10:33] <G0SUB> StevenK ETA is 30 mins
[10:34] <G0SUB> jpatrick can you explain what's the issue?
[10:34] <jpatrick> nothing
[10:35] <G0SUB> jpatrick all fine then?
[10:35] <jpatrick> G0SUB: yep :)
[10:35] <G0SUB> jpatrick :)
[10:35] <phanatic> siretart: you haven't missed it :) it's gnome-rdp...
[10:35] <G0SUB> jpatrick do tell me when you become bored ...  I am going to bug you a lot today
[10:36] <siretart> phanatic: okay. then its approved :)
[10:36] <jpatrick> G0SUB: I'm writing docs at the same time
[10:36] <phanatic> siretart: shall i upload the new package to revu then?
[10:36] <G0SUB> jpatrick oh, I see ... but if I get somebody else to upload, I will relieve you :)
[10:37] <jpatrick> :)
[10:38] <siretart> phanatic: whatever you thinks helps to get your package uploaded
[10:38] <phanatic> siretart: i think i'll do it
[11:03] <G0SUB> jpatrick http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/xawtv/xawtv-diff.patch
[11:04] <G0SUB> Closes Malone #6110
[11:04] <Ubugtu> malone bug 6110 in xawtv "Incomplete .desktop file" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6110
[11:04] <G0SUB> StevenK download done ... thanks a ton! you can remove it now
[11:04] <jpatrick> G0SUB: I tried to patch that a few days ago, but I couldn't (tarball in a tarball)
[11:05] <G0SUB> jpatrick what tarball?
[11:05] <StevenK> G0SUB: No problem.
[11:05] <G0SUB> jpatrick just apt-get source and patch it
[11:06] <G0SUB> I could have given the debdiff itself ... but I am on Breezy atm
[11:07] <jpatrick> G0SUB: inside the .orig.tar.gz there's a .tar.gz
[11:07] <G0SUB> whoops!
[11:08] <jpatrick> and I don't know how that works.....yer
[11:09] <jpatrick> s/yer/yet
[11:10] <G0SUB> jpatrick use pbuilder
[11:10] <G0SUB> see the Makefile
[11:12] <jpatrick> G0SUB: interesting
[11:13] <G0SUB> do this, just patch the extracted source and build it using pubuilder ...
[11:13] <G0SUB> since the patch is just for debian/ anyway, it won't affect anything
[11:15] <phanatic> siretart: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2076
[11:18] <G0SUB> jpatrick are you looking at it?
[11:18] <jpatrick> G0SUB: yes
[11:18] <G0SUB> ok
[11:21] <G0SUB> jpatrick ping me when done, I will then move onto another bug
[11:21] <jpatrick> G0SUB: packaging src package now
[11:22] <G0SUB> okay, so I think there were no issues
[11:29] <G0SUB> done?
[11:30] <G0SUB> w0000t!
[11:34] <G0SUB> jpatrick all done, right?
[11:34] <jpatrick> yes
[11:34] <G0SUB> ok
[11:39] <jpatrick> bonjour Gloubiboulga
[11:39] <Gloubiboulga> bonjour jpatrick :)
[11:39] <Gloubiboulga> jpatrick, thanks for the uploads
[11:40] <jpatrick> no problem
[11:47] <londo> hi there! I would like to ask a question regarding the configuration of DSL while installing breezy. Don't know if this is the right place for doing so, in case it isn't, would you mind pointing me in another direction? thanks!
[11:47] <jpatrick> #ubuntu ?
[11:47] <londo> Oops, sorry, yes ubuntu breezy.
[11:48] <londo> Or rather, breezy and the upcoming dapper
[11:50] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[11:50] <G0SUB> londo please ask in #ubuntu
[11:50] <phanatic> londo: this is not the appropriate channel to ask this imho
[11:51] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic :)
[11:53] <G0SUB> jpatrick http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/xmoto-diff.patch
[11:54] <G0SUB> Closes malone #28491
[11:54] <Ubugtu> malone bug 28491 in xmoto "[patch]  X-moto has no .desktop file" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28491
[11:55] <londo> @GOSUB, phanatic: thanks for the hint. But as it is a question on the way installation is done by ubuntu, i thought it might be appropriate. I don't have any problems with configuring dsl, but I gave ubuntu to some people which had major problems getting internet done. Could this be done easier in the process of the installation? I think it's one thing that really keeps people off using it. Mind you, if you say "no" I'll be gone in a min
[11:55] <londo> ute :-)
[11:56] <G0SUB> londo what exactly is the problem?
[11:57] <jpatrick> G0SUB: I'm on it
[11:57] <G0SUB> jpatrick great! you rock!
[11:57] <jpatrick> true
[11:57] <G0SUB> lol
[11:58] <G0SUB> jpatrick I will be back in a while ...
[12:01] <londo> hmm. I'm trying to get people to use ubuntu, because frankly, for most of them there is really *no* need to use windows, but if they encounter problems in such a basic thing as accessing the net, they might be held back. Would it be possible to integrate pppoeconf more neatly in the installation process?
[12:02] <G0SUB> londo file an enhancement proposal bug in malone ...
[12:04] <londo> gosub thanks, I'll try
[12:05] <G0SUB> londo it's Gee-Zero btw ... :)
[12:09] <phanatic> raphink: ping
[12:09] <raphink> wait a min phanatic
[12:09] <phanatic> okay
[12:12] <G0SUB> jpatrick is it done?
[12:13] <jpatrick> G0SUB: almost
[12:13] <G0SUB> ok
[12:14] <londo> GOSUB: It's done, thank you for your help and thank you all for the great work you're doing! Bye
[12:14] <G0SUB> londo you are welcome! thanks for loving Ubuntu
[12:15] <londo> well, it ain't hard to do :-)
[12:16] <londo> err, gee-zero?
[12:16] <G0SUB> londo G-Zero-S-U-B
[12:17] <londo> GOSUB: *g* ah, i see...
[12:17] <londo> 00000
[12:17] <G0SUB> heh
[12:18] <jpatrick> G0SUB: finish (lunch now)
[12:19] <G0SUB> jpatrick okay ... I will be back in 30 mins
[12:20] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: Gauvain?
[12:21] <janimo> lucas make up you mind ;)
[12:27] <jpatrick> this could take a while
[12:28] <G0SUB> jpatrick why?
[12:28] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, hi
[12:28] <G0SUB> jpatrick oh, you mean lunch?
[12:28] <jpatrick> G0SUB: i was talking about lucas
[12:28] <G0SUB> hehe
[12:28] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: hi
[12:29] <janimo> I tried the packages
[12:29] <janimo> I have some observations
[12:29] <janimo> overall they're nice
[12:29] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, I'm waiting for comments :)
[12:29] <janimo> disperf does not seem to work
[12:29] <janimo> in 4.2 it shows activity but here it does not
[12:29] <Gloubiboulga> I tried it yesterday, it worked
[12:30] <janimo> if it works for you we can assume it something local on my hd
[12:30] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, I'll test again
[12:30] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga your patch for #847 is failing ... I am fixing it
[12:30] <janimo> ok, packaging issues: I think it may be better to install in /usr/lib/xfce4/panel
[12:30] <janimo> instead of creating dirs in /usr/lib
[12:30] <G0SUB> malone #847
[12:30] <Ubugtu> malone bug 847 in xsmbrowser "After installing xsmbrowser via Synaptic, no menu items in Gnome" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/847
[12:30] <janimo> I know mailwatch doers this now, I think I shlud change that
[12:31] <janimo> and diskperf -s in xfce4-xfce4-disperf-plugin :)
[12:31] <Gloubiboulga> GOSUB ok
[12:31] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, I'll rebuild source package
[12:32] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, maybe I can use alioth svn then
[12:32] <janimo> like the .desktop files in /usr/share they should be under usr/lib/xfce4/panel
[12:32] <janimo> janimo, that would be great if it;s not too much trouble
[12:32] <janimo> I think those even use cdbs whioch is nice
[12:33] <janimo> at least some do, the ones which do not you could convert them :)
[12:33] <janimo> it's much cleaner and I intend to do that to the rest of the xfce packages as well
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> ok, I'll do that
[12:33] <janimo> right now they're a mix of cdbs,debhelper and dpatch
[12:33] <nomed> hi janimo and Gloubiboulga
[12:33] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: thanks a lot
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> hi nomed
[12:33] <janimo> nomed, hi
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, np
[12:34] <nomed> Gloubiboulga, i can help you on those pkges
[12:34] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: all in all great work it would be nice if you were a motu ;)
[12:34] <nomed> if it's ok for you ..
[12:34] <nomed> and debian-xfce people told me thay'll use cdbs in future ..
[12:34] <nomed> there is just xfdesktop that seems will not switch
[12:35] <janimo> nomed, Gloubiboulga: I will put my bzr archive of current xfce 4.3 packages somewhere so we can all work on them
[12:35] <Gloubiboulga> nomed, that would be great if you could help
[12:35] <janimo> nomed, what do you mean xfdesktop will not switch?
[12:35] <nomed> Gloubiboulga, i can
[12:35] <nomed> janimo, xfdesktop will not use cdbs
[12:36] <janimo> nomed, who said that? aren't they the same maintainers?
[12:36] <Gloubiboulga> nomed, let's discuss this this evening before or after the meeting, I'll have to leave soon
[12:36] <nomed> janimo, not exactly ...
[12:36] <janimo> nomed, it says xfce debian maintainers here
[12:36] <nomed> i think the nick of the xfdesktop maint .. is KIBI
[12:37] <janimo> anyway that's not a big problem
[12:37] <nomed> janimo, no
[12:37] <janimo> as long as most will use cdbs
[12:37] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: before the meeting woudl be better to not overlap with the meetings
[12:38] <janimo> let's meet in #xubuntu at 18:00 UTC?
[12:38] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[12:38] <janimo> good
[12:39] <janimo> nomed, as for icon theme, sabdfl just posted a mail to u.announce
[12:39] <janimo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperIcons
[12:40] <janimo> it may not match with our color pallette
[12:40] <nomed> janimo, cool
[12:40] <nomed> exactly
[12:43] <janimo> ok so we meet in the evening
[12:43] <janimo> bye
[12:45] <Gloubiboulga> cu janimo
[12:45] <nomed> bye
[12:47] <G0SUB> jpatrick
[12:47] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga fixed your patch
[12:47] <G0SUB> http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/xsmbrowser-patch.diff
[12:48] <G0SUB> Closes Malone #847
[12:48] <Ubugtu> malone bug 847 in xsmbrowser "After installing xsmbrowser via Synaptic, no menu items in Gnome" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/847
[12:48] <Gloubiboulga> thanks G0SUB :)
[12:48] <jpatrick> currently doing #33138 which is KDE which is what I specialize in - will look at that soon
[12:48] <Gloubiboulga> G0SUB, what was the issue ?
[12:49] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga it just didn't apply cleanly to the source ...
[12:49] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga I think you took a diff between an older source
[12:49] <G0SUB> or an older deb
[12:49] <Gloubiboulga> maybe...
[12:49] <Gloubiboulga> thanks for patching the patch ;)
[12:49] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga haha
[12:49] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga :) vote for me in the next CC meet
[12:50] <Gloubiboulga> For membership?
[12:50] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga if I apply, yes
[12:50] <Gloubiboulga> when is the next CC?
[12:50] <G0SUB> 7th march
[12:51] <Gloubiboulga> 12:00 UTC...
[12:51] <G0SUB> as usual
[12:51] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: i just saw, that you're a member. congratulations ;)
[12:51] <Gloubiboulga> I think I won't be present
[12:51] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga whoops :(
[12:51] <Gloubiboulga> thanks phanatic :)
[12:51] <Gloubiboulga> G0SUB, sorry
[12:52] <lucas_> oops
[12:52] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga that's okay ... no issues
[12:53] <phanatic> G0SUB: i thought about applying too :)
[12:53] <G0SUB> phanatic by all means do ... if you think you can
[12:54] <phanatic> i'm not sure yet
[12:54] <G0SUB> phanatic what's your contrib. so far?
[12:55] <G0SUB> jpatrick dude, please close the bug #28491 if you have uploaded the fix
[12:55] <Ubugtu> malone bug 28491 in xmoto "[patch]  X-moto has no .desktop file" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28491
[12:55] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic is *the* hungarian ubuntu guy ;)
[12:56] <G0SUB> haha
[12:56] <phanatic> G0SUB: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SzilveszterFarkas
[12:56] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga I am _the_ Indian Ubuntero
[12:56] <phanatic> cool :)
[12:56] <Gloubiboulga> G0SUB, yep, just saw this :)
[12:56] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga where?
[12:57] <Gloubiboulga> G0SUB, on LP and wiki.u.c
[12:57] <G0SUB> hehe
[12:57] <jpatrick> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatrickDavies
[12:57] <G0SUB> jpatrick yours I have seen ages back ... and I am trying to emulate that :)
[12:58] <jpatrick> :)
[12:58] <phanatic> jpatrick: congrats goes to you as well for becoming a member ;)
[12:59] <G0SUB> phanatic he's a MOTU now
[12:59] <G0SUB> he became a MOTU from a member very quickly
[12:59] <Gloubiboulga> later
[12:59] <phanatic> he deserves it ;)
[12:59] <G0SUB> no doubt
[12:59] <jpatrick> phanatic: thanks :)
[01:00] <G0SUB> jpatrick I need to patch my stomach with some food ... brb soon
[01:02] <raphink> phanatic: I'm sorry I was in bugfixing
[01:04] <phanatic> raphink: no problem of course :)
[01:04] <phanatic> raphink: i just uploaded a new version of gnome-rdp since the uvf exception was accepted
[01:04] <phanatic> (uploaded to revu of course :))
[01:04] <phanatic> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2076
[01:05] <raphink> good
[01:05] <raphink> ok I'll look at it later ok?
[01:05] <raphink> can you send me the url by email?
[01:05] <phanatic> yep
[01:05] <phanatic> thanks a lot
[01:27] <siretart> dholbach: http://siretart.tauware.de/mldonkey/ are my new mldonkey packages. please test
[01:27] <siretart> (other testers may do as well)
[01:28] <siretart> dholbach: things to spot: does /etc/default/mldonkey-server really get that MLDONKEY_USER variable? is it correct?
[01:30] <siretart> perhaps I should do more sophisticated checks in the init script: fail if $MLDONKEY_USER is unset to require the user to set it there
[01:30] <siretart> hm
[01:34] <G0SUB> jpatrick are you done with the xsmbrowser patch?
[01:34] <jpatrick> I haven't finished kfocus yet
[01:35] <G0SUB> oh
[01:35] <G0SUB> any other MOTUs here?
[01:35] <jpatrick> should be
[01:36] <G0SUB> jpatrick let me find one :)
[01:44] <Ubugtu> malone bug 1299 in librmagick-ruby "Image.read(filename) eats characters from filename" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1299
[01:50] <lucas> G0SUB: what do you mean by "fixing" ?
[01:51] <G0SUB> lucas I am backporting the latest version to Breezy
[01:51] <lucas> please note that uploads to breezy-updates have to be reviewed
[01:52] <G0SUB> lucas hmm, but that's the only way to fix it ... what to do?
[01:52] <lucas> last time I asked, the infrastructure wasn't ready for uploads to breezy-updates
[01:52] <lucas> but you could ask on #ubuntu-devel if you want
[01:52] <G0SUB> damn!
[01:52] <lucas> (soyuz, etc)
[01:53] <lucas> (it was one or two weeks ago)
[01:53] <G0SUB> hmm
[01:54] <ogra> it should work now ... at least my update to ltsp (which was the first guinea pig upload to -updates after the change) is in the archive
[01:54] <lucas> ok
[01:55] <ogra> not sure hiw much manual intervention was required behind the scenes though ... might be that you have to poke somebody to trigger the copying from buildd to archive
[01:55] <G0SUB> ogra any specific person to poke?
[01:55] <ogra> but up to that point it whould work automatically
[01:56] <ogra> G0SUB, anyway, you need to get the package revierwed first by Kamin or mdz for -updates ...
[01:56] <ogra> -updates are a closed process based on approval :)
[01:56] <G0SUB> ummf! too much pain ....
[01:56] <ogra> if you want the quick path, use backports ...
[01:57] <ogra> ... but that requires that the package from dapper works unmodified in breezy
[01:57] <G0SUB> ogra it most probably does
[01:58] <ogra> just make sure it *does* (probably isnt enough) and poke the ubuntu-backports mailing list to trigger a backport from the dapper package
[01:58] <G0SUB> okay, will do that
[02:02] <G0SUB> ogra are you a MOTU?
[02:02] <ogra> partially, yes :)
[02:03] <G0SUB> ogra partially?
[02:03] <jpatrick> the boss
[02:03] <ogra> since i'm main developer i dont have much time left for MOTU anymore ....
[02:03] <G0SUB> ogra heh ...
[02:03] <ogra> jpatrick, a boss does something actively :)
[02:04] <G0SUB> jpatrick when will you be free again?
[02:04] <jpatrick> ogra: right :)
[02:04] <ogra> i'm rather the guy who cant leave his fingers from projects he likes, even if he has no time for them :)
[02:04] <jpatrick> G0SUB: soon - pbuilder isn't happy
[02:04] <G0SUB> jpatrick haha
[02:04] <viviersf> lol ogra :)
[02:04] <ogra> dholbach is more "boss" than me ... and even he will object that term :)
[02:05] <G0SUB> any MOTU here who's a bit free now?
[02:06] <G0SUB> lucas ?
[02:06] <dholbach> G0SUB: what are you looking for?
[02:06] <lucas> nope, I'm at work
[02:07] <G0SUB> dholbach I need a patch to be uploaded
[02:07] <G0SUB> I am trying to clear up all the motu-reviewers bugs
[02:07] <dholbach> if it's on motureviewers, it will get processed
[02:07] <netzmeister> dholbach:  I have my first Package created! I'm happy.. ;-)
[02:07] <dholbach> netzmeister: ROCKNROLL :)
[02:08] <netzmeister> ;-)
[02:08] <G0SUB> dholbach the processing is what I want
[02:08] <dholbach> G0SUB: yes, it's not something that "is lost" - it will get processed
[02:08] <dholbach> G0SUB: I'm busy too.
[02:08] <G0SUB> dholbach oh, okay then ... /me will wait for jpatrick :)
[02:09] <dholbach> patience :)
[02:09] <G0SUB> dholbach actually, I am just taking the patches from malone and then testing/cleaning them up and getting them uploaded
[02:09] <dholbach> yeah, just attach your new patch to the bug and you are fine
[02:10] <G0SUB> making the job easy for the MOTUs
[02:10] <G0SUB> ok
[02:10] <dholbach> Thanks for yout work.
[02:10] <G0SUB> dholbach :)
[02:21] <jpatrick> hey zakame
[02:24] <zakame> hi jpatrick
[02:25] <Kyral> Morning
[02:27] <zakame> hi Morning
[02:27] <zakame> este Kyral :P
[02:29] <freeflying> any motus here now ?
[02:33] <Kyral> so what option do I have to flip to get MetaCity's compositor going?
[02:33] <Mithrandir> gconftool-2 /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager --type bool --set true
[02:33] <Mithrandir> I assume you mean spiftacity
[02:39] <Kyral> yah that didn't work lol
[03:10] <G0SUB> jpatrick
[03:11] <jpatrick> hi G0SUB
[03:11] <G0SUB> jpatrick is pbuilder happy?
[03:11] <jpatrick> should be this time
[03:11] <jpatrick> I found out what I did wrong
[03:11] <G0SUB> i see
[03:12] <freeflying> jpatrick: hi
[03:12] <jpatrick> afternoon freeflying
[03:12] <freeflying> jpatrick: may I upload package to REVU and send RFS to debian-mentors ?
[03:13] <jpatrick> RFS?
[03:13] <G0SUB> Sync Request
[03:13] <azeem> request for sponsor
[03:13] <G0SUB> oops, sponsor
[03:13] <jpatrick> why not?
[03:14] <freeflying> jpatrick: really?
[03:15] <jpatrick> I have to get some packages sponsored too
[03:15] <jpatrick> I don't see why you can't
[03:17] <G0SUB> jpatrick is there any RFP equivalent for Ubuntu?
[03:17] <G0SUB> Request For Package
[03:18] <jpatrick> here's the wiki pages for package requests
[03:18] <jpatrick> s/here's/there's
[03:18] <G0SUB> let me find it
[03:22] <jpatrick> it will
[03:22] <G0SUB> freeflying why do you want that?
[03:23] <freeflying> G0SUB: why shall merge or sync from debian ?
[03:23] <jpatrick> AAH!!
[03:23] <G0SUB> freeflying so that the two projects can cooperate with each other?
[03:25] <freeflying> G0SUB: I think ubuntu is ubuntu ,and debain is debian , we can cooperate in other ways after all , not merge or sync package from debain
[03:25] <G0SUB> freeflying well, I like to think otherwise ... let's not reinvent the wheel here
[03:26] <freeflying> G0SUB: why don't debian merge or sync anything from ubuntu ?
[03:27] <G0SUB> freeflying iirc they do, sometimes
[03:27] <lucas> freeflying: you don't seem to have a clear understanding of the issues here.
[03:27] <lucas> it isn't "debian versus ubuntu"
[03:28] <G0SUB> where is the RFP page for Ubuntu?
[03:29] <ogra> G0SUB, UniverseCandidates on the wiki
[03:29] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[03:29] <G0SUB> ogra thanks
[03:43] <zakame> gaah, REVU borks :(
[03:44] <zakame> it doesn't like lengthy replies :'(
[03:45] <dolson> zakame: only use 2-digit dates plz. we need to save space
[03:45] <dolson> what the? why is the Candidates page all Kubuntu-ized?
[03:45] <dolson> oh, I see now, lol
[03:47] <zakame> freeflying: it does, for some patches
[03:48] <freeflying> zakame: I see , I just hope that we needn't sync or merge from debian
[03:49] <zakame> dolson: huh?
[03:49] <dolson> zakame: lame y2k joke... I'm tired...
[03:50] <zakame> dolson: hehe
[03:50] <G0SUB> dolson haha
[04:12] <jpatrick> G0SUB: what was the thing you wanted me to look at?
[04:12] <G0SUB> jpatrick http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/xsmbrowser-patch.diff
[04:18] <siretart> if anyone wants to earn a beer, please try to get debians current mldonkey running in dapper :/
[04:19] <zakame> G0SUB: ah so you're the one who sent that
[04:19] <G0SUB> zakame is that broken?
[04:19] <jpatrick> siretart: what's wrong with it?
[04:19] <zakame> G0SUB: I'm actually doing that now
[04:20] <G0SUB> zakame oh, I see
[04:20] <jpatrick> zakame: you'll upload?
[04:20] <siretart> jpatrick: the postinst creates a bad downloads.ini and some helper tool parsing it fails afterwards, making postinst failing completly
[04:20] <siretart> jpatrick: http://siretart.tauware.de/mldonkey is my current state
[04:22] <G0SUB> zakame if you are free then I'd like to triage+fix atleast 5 more motu-reviewers bugs today
[04:25] <zakame> siretart: putting that to my WorkStack
[04:26] <zakame> G0SUB: it's night here, but I'll triage tomorrow ;D
[04:26] <G0SUB> zakame heh, it's night here too ... but it's okay
[04:26] <G0SUB> jpatrick ?
[04:27] <jpatrick> I'll do it
[04:27] <G0SUB> zakame are you uploading that one?
[04:28] <G0SUB> zakame ?
[04:29] <xerxas> hi
[04:29] <G0SUB> xerxas Bon Jour!
[04:30] <xerxas> bonjour G0SUB
[04:30] <xerxas> :)
[04:30] <G0SUB> xerxas is that one word?
[04:30] <xerxas> G0SUB: right
[04:30] <xerxas> it is
[04:31] <G0SUB> xerxas heh, my French is b0rked
[04:32] <xerxas> np
[04:41] <G0SUB> jpatrick is that done?
[04:42] <jpatrick> oh I thought zakame was doing it
[04:42] <G0SUB> he just left
[04:53] <G0SUB> done?
[04:54] <jpatrick> I've just finished a patch for the PackGuide
[04:54] <G0SUB> I see
[04:55] <G0SUB> jpatrick I have to leave now, will you take care of it?
[04:55] <jpatrick> yes
[04:56] <jpatrick> right now
[04:56] <G0SUB> jpatrick okay, this is one more before I leave, http://zope.gnowledge.org:8080/ubuntu/xastir-patch.diff
[04:56] <G0SUB> closes malone #2184
[04:56] <Ubugtu> malone bug 2184 in xastir "Xastir error on libgdal1" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2184
[04:56] <G0SUB> jpatrick kindly upload that too ... Good Night!
[04:57] <jpatrick> ok
[04:57] <G0SUB> jpatrick thanks a lot ... I will be back tomorrow for more bugging :)
[05:05] <dolson> woo
[05:06] <dolson> another friend agreed to let me install Ubuntu on her system, all thanks to seeing an Xgl video, and learning about 8 versions of Vista :D
[05:06] <jpatrick> hehe
[05:07] <dolson> she is going to cook me steak to do it :) yummy
[05:07] <Kyral> lol
[05:07] <Kyral> Lucky BASTARD :P
[05:10] <dolson> on the BBQ
[05:11] <jpatrick> :9
[06:09] <jpatrick> hey Gloubiboulga
[06:13] <Gloubiboulga> hi jpatrick :)
[06:13] <jpatrick> Gloubiboulga: I uploaded YaFix of yours
[06:14] <Gloubiboulga> jpatrick, thanks
[06:15] <nomed> do you know how i can generate a patch for a deb that's using dbs ?
[06:16] <jpatrick> cdbs?
[06:16] <nomed> jpatrick, not exactly
[06:16] <nomed> there is a tar.bz2 and a debian dir ...
[06:16] <nomed> then it can use even cdbs ...
[06:16] <jpatrick> repackage .tar.bz2 to tar.gz
[06:17] <azeem> nomed: just stick the patch into debian/patches for dbs
[06:17] <azeem> and hope it applies
[06:26] <chillywilly> anyone here running dapper?
[06:26] <LaserJock> lol
[06:27] <chillywilly> :)
[06:27] <Gloubiboulga> hi LaserJock :)
[06:27] <chillywilly> just wondering if I should give it a spin on my workstation
[06:32] <LaserJock> I've been using it for my everyday use since November some time.
[06:34] <LaserJock> chillywilly: it probably depends on what you're doing. for me it has been great since xorg and the kernel stabilized
[06:39] <chillywilly> I have a shuttle SK21G w/ 1GB RAM and an Athlon 64 3400+ proc running 64Bit Breezy Badger
[06:41] <chillywilly> just want a newere firefox and such because the i686 one off moz.org doesn't work ;)
[06:45] <hub> wtf does t-bird start epiphany instead of firefox
[06:46] <azeem> mutt does the exact opposite for me, which I hate
[06:50] <chillywilly> cause of the default browser setting?
[06:52] <hub> chillywilly: no
[06:52] <hub> all the other application behave properly
[06:52] <hub> and I check the setting
[06:53] <chillywilly> :)
[06:53] <hub> enjou
[06:53] <hub> enjoy
[06:54] <azeem> hub: could be mime settings
[06:55] <LaserJock> hi azeem
[06:55] <hub> something broke
[06:55] <hub> because it was working
[06:55] <azeem> hi LaserJock!
[06:55] <LaserJock> I'm going to need you to sponsor a new upstream of gausssum for me soon
[06:56] <chillywilly> oh I also have a 10k RPM WD Raptor in this baby
[06:56] <chillywilly> :)
[06:56] <chillywilly> 74GB
[06:58] <azeem> LaserJock: sure
[07:03] <Amaranth_> chillywilly: Better make a lot of backups.
[07:03] <Amaranth_> chillywilly: WD sucks. :)
[07:06] <chillywilly> I have 6 months of incremental backups on the RAID array, but I've only heard good things about the raptor
[07:08] <chillywilly> only thing I don't like about it is that it's a little noisy
[07:17] <dolson> LaserJock: how many hours away is your ceremony?
[07:19] <LaserJock> dolson: lol, 2. but it might be a funeral ;-|
[07:19] <dolson> pfft
[08:35] <chillywilly> bah
[08:36] <chillywilly> anyone know if there's a via unichrome driver that works with dapper's xorg?
[08:36] <kyrel> hello
[08:36] <kyrel> i've a question :
[08:36] <kyrel> Is there a problem with the 2.6.12 kernel ? I'can't compile some programs because of the gen_crc32table.c file and/or the uint32_t type...
[08:36] <LaserJock> hi fredix
[08:37] <fredix> hi LaserJock
[08:37] <chillywilly> nevermind
[08:37] <chillywilly> thing I found it
[08:37] <fredix> LaserJock: thanks for the fix
[08:37] <chillywilly> xserver-xorg-driver-via
[08:37] <LaserJock> fredix: np, took me a while but I figured it out ;-)
[08:38] <fredix> LaserJock: hh :)
[08:40] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:40] <Tonio_> yop sistpoty
[08:40] <Gloubiboulga> hey sistpoty
[08:40] <sistpoty> hi Tonio_, Gloubiboulga
[08:40] <Gloubiboulga> salut Tonio_
[08:40] <kyrel> can you help me ?
[08:40] <Tonio_> salut Gloubiboulga
[08:40] <sistpoty> what's your problem kyrel?
[08:41] <sistpoty> Tonio_: you did the netswitch packaging, right?
[08:41] <Tonio_> sistpoty: yes, although I didn't have the time to correctly test them :)
[08:42] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga helped on the gnetswitch part
[08:42] <sistpoty> Tonio_: imo you should use library packaging style (-dev and lib package) for it...
[08:42] <sistpoty> Tonio_: at least if there are other distinct sourcepackages, that depend on it
[08:42] <sistpoty> Tonio_: otherwise the upgrade path might break
[08:43] <chillywilly> looks beautiful
[08:43] <Tonio_> sistpoty: I agree on that point
[08:43] <sistpoty> :)
[08:43] <chillywilly> weird the thunderbird help dialog is missing the logo/icon on it
[08:43] <Tonio_> but the fact is that the -dev and lib might never be used, and well, I had so little time to package them..........;
[08:43] <Tonio_> 3 packages in an hour........
[08:43] <chillywilly> wonder if I should remove the existing profile
[08:43] <Tonio_> I'll do better with the bext version :)
[08:44] <sistpoty> Tonio_: great :)
[08:44] <Tonio_> in fact on 22 at 16pm, the sources where completly crappy, and freeze was on 23 so..........
[08:44] <kyrel> sistpoty, while I try to compile some programs (geexbox, mplayer or even the linux 2.6.12 kernel) an error occured with the gen_crc32table.c file that don't recognize uint32_t type.
[08:45] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty
[08:45] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[08:46] <kyrel> sistpoty, gen_crc32table.c is a file from the kernel sources
[08:46] <sistpoty> kyrel: hm...
[08:46] <kyrel> sistpoty, and the mplayer compilation fails because of th uint32_t type too
[08:46] <Tonio_> sistpoty: do you think that is a reason to reject them ?
[08:47] <sistpoty> Tonio_: not quite sure about that... don't know the exact policy for the new-queue
[08:47] <Tonio_> sistpoty: ok
[08:49] <kyrel> sistpoty, do you have an idea ?
[08:49] <sistpoty> kyrel: not really, I'll just try s.th.
[08:52] <sistpoty> kyrel: imo uint32_t should be defined in stdint.h or sys/types.h ... and for the linux source I saw it defined in linux/types.h
[08:52] <sistpoty> kyrel: maybe there's an #include missing?
[08:54] <kyrel> sistpoty, I've thought about this eventuality, but i've already built the programs that fail on a debian system
[08:54] <kyrel> (sorry for my english level)
[08:55] <sistpoty> kyrel: maybe some semantics in gcc changed, and uint32_t isn't defined any longer by default?
[08:57] <kyrel> sistpoty, maybe... i'll search
[08:57] <derekS> hey, is there a priority list for universe candidates? there is one i think would be good for dapper
[08:58] <sistpoty> derekS: no, there isn't... and we're in featurefreeze now, so we won't add new packages to dapper any longer
[08:58] <derekS> sistpoty: good answer :)
[09:00] <LaserJock> TB Meeting is about to start
[09:20] <dolson> LaserJock: congrats buddy!!!
[09:20] <sistpoty> hi dolson
[09:21] <dolson> hi sistpoty
[09:21] <sistpoty> dolson: imo you should go for motu too ;)
[09:21] <LaserJock> WOOOOTTT!!!!!!!!!
[09:21] <dolson> I should?
[09:21] <dholbach> for your hardcore ubuntustudio efforts
[09:21] <sistpoty> dolson: based on the packages you uploaded to revu, of course!
[09:21] <dholbach> are you a ubuntumember already?
[09:21] <jpatrick> dolson: it's true
[09:22] <dolson> no, I am an ubuntero though
[09:22] <dholbach> so we have something to write up for the MOTU report! :)
[09:22] <jpatrick> New MOTUs:
[09:22] <LaserJock> phewww, I could hardly type I was so nervous
[09:23] <sistpoty> dolson: then the next step is to become a member... CommunityCouncil  approves members, just see the wiki-page for it ;)
[09:23] <dolson> I'll check that out then, and maybe I can be a member :)
[09:23] <dolson> you guys are encouraging
[09:26] <LaserJock> umm, do I need to do anything now or is it just a flip of a LP switch?
[09:27] <sistpoty> LaserJock: once you're in the LP group, you should be able to upload
[09:28] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ok, thanks.
[09:29] <dolson> A member is someone who's made a substantial contribution to the Ubuntu community
[09:29] <sistpoty> ogra: btw.: can you make me an administrator for the LP motu group? otherwise I can't create polls
[09:29] <netzmeister> hi
[09:29] <LaserJock> wow, they already updated it, and I think I even got some Karma ;-)
[09:29] <sistpoty> dolson: yes, and you've certainly done a substantial contribution already :)
[09:30] <dolson> by whose measurement?
[09:30] <dholbach> mine too
[09:30] <dholbach> :)
[09:30] <dolson> it hasn't been for very long yet, so I don't think it meets the "sustained" requirement yet
[09:30] <LaserJock> dolson: I think the general rule is if you've been helping for >= 2 months
[09:31] <LaserJock> in any way
[09:31] <LaserJock> not just here
[09:31] <jpatrick> I've done 7
[09:32] <dolson> well it'll be almost 2 months soon since I started the wiki, even though I first contacted Mark about better music production support many months ago
[09:32] <LaserJock> dolson: then I don't think you'll have much of a problem ;-)
[09:32] <dolson> I guess it's close enough. if not, then I'll just re-apply at a later date
[09:33] <sistpoty> LaserJock: just gave you reviewing rights on revu ;)
[09:33] <LaserJock> sistpoty: very nice, I was going to ask you about that :-)
[09:33] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:33] <LaserJock> I would like to get more involved with REVU
[09:34] <dholbach> hear hear!
[09:34] <sistpoty> that's great news :)
[09:34] <netzmeister> ;-)
[09:34] <LaserJock> I'm more interested in fixes, etc. to existing packages than new packages but they are all important
[09:35] <LaserJock> and I remember how frustrated I was with how long it can take to get reviewed
[09:35] <sistpoty> yep, that's true...
[09:36] <LaserJock> so now I'm in a place to help fix what frustrated me, that is what I love about Ubuntu and the MOTU community
[09:36] <dolson> heh, I already signed the code of conduct
[09:41] <ArmeBosse> LaserJock: i'm looking each mail from motu-reviewers waiting for my package ;)
[09:41] <netzmeister> dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code
[09:41] <netzmeister> dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included)
[09:41] <LaserJock> ArmeBosse: which one?
[09:41] <ArmeBosse> LaserJock: now that you're in place i can ping you ;)
[09:41] <netzmeister> that is not good...
[09:42] <LaserJock> netzmeister: what are you trying to do?
[09:42] <jpatrick> netzmeister: -S (-sa) ?
[09:42] <ArmeBosse> LaserJock: vtigercrm, kvpnc, log4cpp
[09:42] <LaserJock> ArmeBosse: is marcin` uploading vtigercrm too?
[09:43] <netzmeister> LaserJock: I will build a package from sources..
[09:43] <netzmeister> jpatrick: i think no..
[09:43] <ArmeBosse> LaserJock: probably. current package is our merge
[09:44] <ArmeBosse> LaserJock: i don't know for next package ...
[09:45] <LaserJock> netzmeister: where are you getting the source package?
[09:46] <netzmeister> www.codeblocks.org
[09:46] <netzmeister> Website.. Not SVN
[09:46] <netzmeister> argh stop
[09:46] <netzmeister> SVN, not Website
[09:46] <netzmeister> ;-)
[09:46] <LaserJock> netzmeister: so you are trying to make a package for Ubuntu?
[09:52] <netzmeister> LaserJock: Yes
[09:55] <LaserJock> netzmeister: have you been using the Debian New Maintainer's Guide?
[09:55] <netzmeister> yes..
[09:56] <LaserJock> so what are you doing when you get that error?
[10:00] <netzmeister> LaserJock: Ups.. sorry.    6.5 Including orig.tar.gz for upload    :-(
[10:01] <LaserJock> netzmeister: np, glad you caught it
[10:02] <netzmeister> :-)
[10:07] <netzmeister> re
[10:21] <LaserJock> wb sistpoty
[10:21] <sistpoty> re LaserJock
[10:25] <Gloubiboulga> congrats LaserJock ;)
[10:30] <LaserJock> thanks Gloubiboulga
[10:45] <chillywilly> my terminal font is fugly now after upgrading :(
[10:51] <LaserJock> so what is HCT going to do for us?
[10:54] <jpatrick> hct?
[10:55] <LaserJock> jpatrick: https://launchpad.net/products/hct
[10:56] <LaserJock> I guess I sorta answered my own question
[10:56] <jpatrick> ah right
[10:56] <LaserJock> I'm just not sure how it is going to be used
[10:59] <marcin`> LaserJock: hi
[10:59] <LaserJock> hi marcin`
[10:59] <marcin`> LaserJock: I would like to upload vtigercrm package
[11:00] <marcin`> LaserJock: but I got different vision for this package
[11:00] <marcin`> LaserJock: unfortunately I cannot upload alternative version so...
[11:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: I only report bugs directly to maintainer
[11:02] <marcin`> LaserJock: (unfortunately current upload doesn't contain fix yet so I consider this package as partially broken)
[11:03] <LaserJock> marcin`: if it is broken then it should be fixed before it will be advocated
[11:03] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[11:04] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ping?
[11:05] <marcin`> LaserJock: it's partially broken - it will work until you will try to import some existing data to data base server
[11:05] <marcin`> LaserJock: it has $cache set to wrong paths
[11:06] <LaserJock> marcin`: ok, has ArmeBosse said that he would fix that?
[11:06] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[11:06] <marcin`> LaserJock: I think so
[11:06] <marcin`> LaserJock: I reported this but to him
[11:07] <marcin`> LaserJock: I could fix it but you know - I don't want to fight with him anymore
[11:07] <LaserJock> dholbach: umm, I need some help. marcin` and ArmeBosse have been working on the same package on REVU. However, they can't seem to "get along". So they end up wanting to upload there own versions of the package to REVU.
[11:08] <LaserJock> dholbach: is there a social solution here? or is it possible to have two branches to the same source package on REVU?
[11:08] <ajmitch_> morning all
[11:08] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch_
[11:09] <dholbach> if they really can't get along they should start writing a wiki page or discuss the diff (best each little change) and justify it to each other, I guess they'll end up at something much closer to each other
[11:09] <LaserJock> dholbach: the package is vtigercrm, btw
[11:10] <dholbach> i'm sorry, I don't have the time to look at it at the moment
[11:10] <LaserJock> dholbach: np, thanks for the suggestion
[11:11] <dholbach> they can consider themselves as a maintenance team once they can agree on a packaging
[11:11] <ajmitch_> especially as 1 of them as filed an ITP
[11:11] <ajmitch_> and it's not considered polite to hijack an ITP
[11:11] <LaserJock> marcin`: the problem I keep seeing is that ArmeBosse hasn't refused to make the changes, he just wants wait and do many fixes at once.
[11:12] <LaserJock> marcin`: I don't think that is unreasonable
[11:12] <marcin`> LaserJock: of course
[11:12] <LaserJock> marcin`: if the package is truly broken then it is ok to let us know and the reviewers can take that into consideration
[11:12] <marcin`> LaserJock: but the difference between us is not only about these fixes
[11:13] <marcin`> LaserJock: I would like to make a lot of changes - but now I even don't want to try
[11:13] <LaserJock> marcin`: I would just give it some time. If the suggestions are helpful and you provide patches I don't think your work will be in vain
[11:14] <marcin`> LaserJock: I'll try to describe to you 'short history' of our collaboration
[11:14] <marcin`> LaserJock: we started work on vtigercrm without any connection
[11:15] <marcin`> LaserJock: then we meet on irc - it was raphink idea
[11:15] <dolson> LaserJock, sistpoty, dholbach, or whoever ;) : the next CC meeting is Mar7 at 7am my time. I'm not 100% sure I can be there, so should I just defer my application until the next meeting that happens at a reasonable hour? or just apply anyhow and hope I can get out of bed early enough?
[11:15] <marcin`> LaserJock: and then realized that ArmeBosse has much better scirpts that create database and different idea to generate config.php
[11:16] <LaserJock> dolson: is the other meeting time (I think they switch between two different times) better?
[11:16] <marcin`> LaserJock: while I had better rules (based on cdbs) better organization of package (separate vt-mysql-local that could allow to install vt in 'single click' with mysql-server etc.)
[11:16] <marcin`> LaserJock: so we decided to merge best parts of our job
[11:17] <marcin`> LaserJock: it was obvious - so I did it
[11:17] <marcin`> LaserJock: and we had 'merge' version
[11:17] <marcin`> LaserJock: that was ok but far from perfect
[11:18] <marcin`> LaserJock: then I uploaded a lot of changes - different script to generate config, I polished structure, changes things and package was fully workable
[11:18] <ajmitch_> lovely, people asking for 'ebuntu' source packages - they're not going to get them anytime soon ;)
[11:19] <marcin`> LaserJock: then problems started - he reverted my changes and uploaded his old version
[11:19] <marcin`> LaserJock: then I changed my script a bit to try compromise
[11:19] <dolson> LaserJock: I'm not sure, trying to find the other time on the wiki..
[11:19] <dolson> ajmitch_: lol
[11:19] <LaserJock> dolson: check fridge.ubuntu.com
[11:20] <marcin`> LaserJock: and then again - he uploaded his version reverting some of my changes here and there and finally uploaded broken package
[11:21] <marcin`> LaserJock: because reverted my changes without care... and then he annoyed me with his decisions
[11:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: where?
[11:22] <marcin`> LaserJock: while I can understant some of them - I simple cannot accept that someone reverts my changes and does
[11:22] <marcin`> these reverts in this way that package is broken (he did it twice...)
[11:22] <marcin`> LaserJock: so you see we simple cannot collaborate
[11:23] <LaserJock> marcin`: from what I understand some of that was by mistake, and some of it was because he wanted to wait. Is there anything that he has simply refused to do?
[11:23] <marcin`> LaserJock: propably we both have good ideas
[11:23] <marcin`> LaserJock: but we got a problem with communication
[11:23] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: ?
[11:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: where were you seeing the cries for ebuntu source?
[11:24] <marcin`> LaserJock: well yes he changed my postinst script and few more things
[11:24] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: users list
[11:24] <marcin`> LaserJock: and you know... it's hard to explain...
[11:24] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: ogra was telling him change the name ASAP, and provide source
[11:25] <LaserJock> marcin`: ok, so I think that dholbach's suggestion was good. I think primarily you guys have a communication problem
[11:25] <marcin`> LaserJock: for example: sistpoty in his review said that he want's to have some files in /doc or at least symlink to doc
[11:25] <marcin`> LaserJock: so I changed .install to put these files to /doc
[11:26] <dolson> LaserJock: yeah, that time is better, but I don't wanna wait two more weeks, or I'll probably forget or something. so I'll have to find an alarm clock I guess. will you be able to be there? or dholbach or sistpoty or siretart or jpatrick or someone who likes me? :)
[11:26] <marcin`> LaserJock: then ArmeBosse reverted my changes - saying that he want's to wait and he likes symlink - not copying
[11:26] <marcin`> LaserJock: etc. etc. everytime I do something - he has different idea
[11:26] <marcin`> LaserJock: small things but simple annoying
[11:28] <LaserJock> dolson: I'm sure somebody will be there, what is the UTC time? oh wait, your in Seattle right?
[11:28] <dolson> I'm in Canada!
[11:28] <LaserJock> oh
[11:28] <dolson> UTC 1700
[11:28] <LaserJock> I was thinking of somebody else
[11:28] <dolson> no
[11:29] <dolson> wait..
[11:29] <dolson> UTC 1200
[11:29] <dolson> I'm in Easten time, -0500
[11:29] <marcin`> LaserJock: well I'm not sure that dholbach suggestion could change anything
[11:30] <LaserJock> marcin`: but the problems are being addressed. You guys have slightly different opinions on how to go about it but I just don't see the big deal
[11:30] <marcin`> LaserJock: while we already got project page for this package
[11:30] <LaserJock> dolson: I can't make it, I'm -0800
[11:30] <dolson> :(
[11:30] <LaserJock> but sistpoty and dholbach might
[11:31] <dolson> yeah, dholback is an early bird. either that, or he lives in a timezone that is earlier than me
[11:31] <marcin`> LaserJock: http://vtigerforge.fosslabs.com/projects/pkg-ubuntu/
[11:31] <LaserJock>  marcin`: what you guys need is a common collaboration space that is easily editable. a wiki might be good for that
[11:31] <dholbach> dolson: germany
[11:31] <LaserJock> dolson: they're Germans
[11:32] <dolson> I used to listen to German techno... it just sounded funny. Rammstein rules though
[11:32] <marcin`> LaserJock: I agree but if we cannot agree on some things we both need some ideas from outside
[11:32] <LaserJock> marcin`: well, the project page doesn't help collaboration much. I think you both need to be a little more flexible
[11:33] <dolson> dholbach: will you be there to say that "dolson doesn't suck" or "dolson sucks less than some others" ?
[11:33] <dholbach> dolson: come on
[11:33] <dholbach> :)
[11:33] <dholbach> yeah, but i daresay they'll want to talk to you themselves
[11:33] <LaserJock> marcin`: honestly, this is such a little thing really. I haven't seen anything but you guys arguing about how to implement virtually the same fix.
[11:33] <dholbach> but I can say that
[11:33] <marcin`> LaserJock: well ok - I'll try to be flexible only once more...
[11:33] <dolson> I will be there too
[11:34] <dolson> I have an alarm clock somewhere
[11:34] <marcin`> LaserJock: but then I'll simple leave this
[11:34] <dolson> but I need a cheerleader team
[11:34] <LaserJock> marcin`: what is your idea of being flexible in this case?
[11:34] <dholbach> i'll be there
[11:34] <marcin`> LaserJock: I still think that the best option could be an ability to upload different packages
[11:34] <dholbach> although I#ll be in london
[11:34] <dholbach> so not sure
[11:34] <marcin`> LaserJock: to revu and then reviewers should judge which one is better
[11:35] <LaserJock> marcin`: I can understand that but once the package is in Universe, it won't be so easy
[11:35] <dolson> dholbach:  I missed the last thing you said before "so not sure".. I cleared my buffer :\
[11:35] <marcin`> LaserJock: it's not in Universe
[11:35] <LaserJock> yet
[11:35] <dholbach> dolson: i hope i'll be there
[11:35] <dholbach> dolson: if i am, i'll cheerlead
[11:35] <LaserJock> marcin`: what happens when it does go into Universe?
[11:35] <dolson> if you're not, I will flee in terror
[11:36] <LaserJock> dolson: don't worry, it's not that bad, just make a killer wiki page ;-)
[11:36] <marcin`> LaserJock: know what? each time I'm on REVU or MOTU then I got a feeling that Ubuntu is free distro that is not free
[11:36] <marcin`> LaserJock: personally I think that it sucsks... I feel like I got a 'big boss' that I have to listen to
[11:37] <dolson> LaserJock: I will put "I DO NOT SUCK!!" in big <h1><b> font. that oughtta seal the deal, right?
[11:37] <LaserJock> marcin`: no, but every project has to have standards.  we can't just let people willy nilly change packages for thousands of people
[11:37] <LaserJock> marcin`: so that means we have to organize work
[11:38] <LaserJock> dolson: "sabdfl and the CC rulz!!!" might help ;-)
[11:38] <dolson> heh
[11:38] <dolson> marcin`: hey, have you considering working on another package that isn't in Ubuntu yet? that way you're not duplicating work anyhow, and you can end your feud, and still contribute and be awesome and not suck and all that?
[11:38] <sistpoty> LaserJock: pong? (was just afk)
[11:38] <LaserJock> sistpoty: nm, I'm trying to figure out social solutions ;-)
[11:39] <sistpoty> kk ;)
[11:39] <LaserJock> sistpoty: marcin` and ArmeBosse again
[11:39] <sistpoty> ah... *reading backlog*
[11:39] <marcin`> dolson: I already uploaded 4 or 5 more packages to revu
[11:39] <dolson> marcin`: if you wanna package audio apps, let me know. I'll find something for you to do
[11:39] <marcin`> dolson: please review them ;)
[11:39] <dolson> marcin`: I will when I become a MOTU
[11:39] <ajmitch_> hey sistpoty
[11:39] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch_
[11:40] <marcin`> LaserJock: ok ok
[11:41] <LaserJock> marcin`: the MOTU is relatively rules free compared to a lot of other places I think.
[11:41] <marcin`> LaserJock: but I still think that REVU should sometimes work in different way
[11:41] <sistpoty> marcin`: so you and ArmeBosse are both uploading vtigercrm to revu and you are not happy with his changes?
[11:41] <LaserJock> marcin`: but you simply can't have multiple, different packages of the same program running around Universe
[11:42] <marcin`> LaserJock: while REVU is for reviews it pretty sucks that you can review only one version
[11:42] <marcin`> LaserJock: and cannot compare and make a choice
[11:42] <LaserJock> marcin`: we could do it, but it isn't ideal
[11:42] <LaserJock> I think it should be avoided
[11:42] <marcin`> sistpoty: I'm not happy with his and he is not happy with mine
[11:43] <sistpoty> marcin`: hm... we didn't have that problem yet...
[11:43] <sistpoty> ArmeBosse: around?
[11:43] <LaserJock> I saw him earlier but that was a few hours ago
[11:44] <ajmitch_> marcin`: we weren't anticipating competing developers when REVU was coded
[11:44] <marcin`> btw don't get me wrong - he did really great job with his scirpt
[11:44] <marcin`> scripts - since he is official vtiger developer
[11:44] <ajmitch_> especially as it's not an easy thing to choose one person's work over anothers
[11:44] <marcin`> so he could use few tricks I didn't know about
[11:45] <marcin`> but the thing is that he filed ITP in debian so he feels like 'big boss' and reverts my changes without any notice - and it's simple annoying for me
[11:45] <sistpoty> revu isn't actually about competition
[11:46] <marcin`> sistpoty: it's not competition in fact
[11:46] <marcin`> sistpoty: first - it's about choice
[11:46] <LaserJock> marcin`: again, from what I understand most of the "reversion" was a mistake or a different implantation of the fix
[11:47] <sistpoty> marcin`: yes, got that... was actually referring to ajmitch_ ;)
[11:47] <LaserJock> implementation I mean
[11:47] <marcin`> sistpoty: second - it's about nice, clean packages that _work_
[11:47] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I know, whuch is why it doesn't support multiple branches of the same package :)
[11:47] <marcin`> sistpoty: uploads that revert changes and make packages broken are annoying - don't you think?
[11:47] <LaserJock> marcin`: and he has said that he is going to be uploading a working version soon
[11:48] <sistpoty> marcin`: yes, they are... as I already wrote, we didn't have that problem yet
[11:48] <marcin`> ok I'll wait for his upload
[11:48] <marcin`> take a look at changes
[11:49] <sistpoty> marcin`: my first suggestion would be to try to solve coordination/cooperation issues directly with ArmeBosse...
[11:49] <marcin`> I also got a lot of changes ready to upload but I first try to put them to SVN on vtigerforge
[11:50] <sistpoty> marcin`: however if that doesn't work, we need to make up a proper solution, as I don't think it generally will work out if two ppl. work on the same package w.o. really working together
[11:50] <marcin`> if he will not accept them - then I'll simple upload vtiger-crm pakage to revu
[11:50] <marcin`> and I hope that you will review it and make a choice ok?
[11:50] <marcin`> and of course if we will be able to work together I will be more than happy
[11:51] <ajmitch_> so you want us to choose either his package or  yours & bless it for upload?
[11:51] <marcin`> as I said - first I will wait for his fixes and changes
[11:51] <marcin`> then I will once again try to put my changes but to vtigerforge first
[11:51] <sistpoty> marcin`: I guess making a choice won't solve the issue, as "competing" uploads won't solve it...
[11:52] <marcin`> when he will accept them - then ok
[11:52] <LaserJock> marcin`: I think perhaps your definition of "work together" needs a little tweaking. You have been working together, quite successfully from  what I've heard from you
[11:52] <marcin`> if he won't then I got two choices - leave this and stop wasting my time
[11:52] <dolson> I still don't understand why there has to be more than one person doing a single package... moreover, I don't know how I could possibly deal with a second person trying to make changes to my packages
[11:52] <marcin`> or I'll try to upload my version and you should decide while we cannot compromise ok?
[11:53] <dolson> I mean... REVU makes me a better packager - it's like my silent partner
[11:53] <marcin`> ok we should end this discussion now
[11:54] <sistpoty> marcin`: yes... in case you feel, that both you and ArmeBosse uploading to revu will result in a mess, please write a mail to ubuntu-motu, so that we can try to settle this issue
[11:55] <sistpoty> marcin`: or better, if you don't think it will work out, that you and ArmeBosse upload the same package to revu
[11:56] <marcin`> ok - because you know - I'm annoyed about his changes - but propably he is annoyed with my uploads
[11:57] <marcin`> and I don't like to make ppl angry - but also don't like to waste my time and upload something that someone will replace with something different few hours later
[11:57] <marcin`> so we need to find another way to resolve this
[11:57] <marcin`> and now I really need to work more and talk less
[11:59] <LaserJock> marcin`: are you sending him debdiffs?
[12:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: no and vice versa - you already said that we got a problem with communication - right :) ?
[12:01] <netzmeister> hm whats the name of the tool, to check an deb-Package?
[12:01] <netzmeister> lin..
[12:01] <netzmeister> hm.. (right charset) ;-)
[12:01] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: debdiffs are so last year - use bzr :)
[12:01] <ogra> tian
[12:02] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: sure, but they can't even seem to talk together. Baby steps ;-)
[12:02] <LaserJock> although really bzr might be a good tool for you guys