ogra | between 2-3G | 12:06 |
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rstory | erp! is there an option for something smaller? | 12:09 |
ogra | the workstation install is ~300-500MB smaller | 12:10 |
ogra | but due to the additional apps, its bigger than a normal ubuntu | 12:10 |
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paolo_ | Hi guys! I have a thin client with 32 MB ram, it gives me out of memory error. Is 32 MB few ram or should I look for another reason? | 12:32 |
ogra | 32 is to few | 12:32 |
ogra | you should have 64 or more for breezy ... in dapper you can set up a swap server manually but i havent tested below 48MB even with dapper | 12:33 |
ogra | but with swap server 32 should be possible | 12:33 |
ogra | that will be automated completely in october i hope: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FullyAutomaticSwapServer | 12:34 |
paolo_ | ok, I'm going to put a 64 MB! thank you! | 12:37 |
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Burglaptop | ogra: have you heard of elgg? http://elgg.org/about.php | 04:05 |
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elglas | hello | 04:27 |
Burglaptop | salut elglas | 04:27 |
elglas | I have a question / network senario regarding edubuntu | 04:29 |
Burglaptop | elglas: shoot. I am may not be able to help you | 04:29 |
elglas | i'm setting up a test classroom in an enviroment that already uses DHCP via a router out to the internet | 04:31 |
Burglaptop | ok | 04:31 |
elglas | i'm wondering if I can get away with simply setting only the server for a static ip, and still use LTSP for the client boxes | 04:32 |
Burglaptop | I believe so | 04:34 |
TOZII | Burglaptop: You are Burgwork too? | 04:34 |
Burglaptop | TOZII: yes I am | 04:34 |
TOZII | I will be selling edubuntu workstations shortly also. | 04:35 |
Burglaptop | ah | 04:35 |
elglas | what will you be using for system specs? | 04:35 |
Burglaptop | whatever gets donated | 04:35 |
Burglaptop | I will have to see what can run it and what can't | 04:36 |
TOZII | They will most likely be PIIIs, 300Mhz, 128 mb, 6Gb HDs. | 04:36 |
Burglaptop | TOZII: where in the world are you? | 04:36 |
TOZII | Texas. | 04:36 |
Burglaptop | ah cool | 04:36 |
TOZII | Where are you? | 04:36 |
Burglaptop | Victoria, BC | 04:37 |
Burglaptop | Canada | 04:37 |
TOZII | asl? LOLOLOL! | 04:37 |
elglas | i've had limited success with pentium II @ 400mhz | 04:37 |
elglas | ontario canada | 04:37 |
Burglaptop | I used to run warty and hoary on my 600mhz with no problems | 04:37 |
TOZII | How much ram in the PII 400? | 04:38 |
Burglaptop | that is sort of win98 age, so there are a lot of them being replaced right now | 04:38 |
elglas | 512mb :) | 04:38 |
TOZII | It ran slow? | 04:38 |
elglas | and another box with 256mb | 04:38 |
elglas | it takes a little while to load, but otherwise it's fine | 04:38 |
TOZII | ah. | 04:39 |
TOZII | I have one PII that was given to me, so I was going to give it away for free. | 04:39 |
Burglaptop | my laptop here only had 256 when I got it | 04:39 |
TOZII | I'll try and set it up tomorrow, and I'll record the specs, and any problems....... | 04:40 |
TOZII | We can record performance on different hardwares. | 04:40 |
elglas | i've got 4-5 boxes running ubuntu in x86, ppc, and 64bit | 04:41 |
TOZII | I think that we should share all of our infos, and post hardware requirements. | 04:42 |
elglas | sounds good | 04:43 |
Burglaptop | create a wiki page to talk about this | 04:43 |
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elglas | hrm | 04:45 |
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robbies | HI IM A KID AND I WANT TO USE LINUX I HEARD BUNTU IS THE BEST FOR ME HOW DO I USE IT | 05:36 |
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Adalwulf | Howdy robbies. | 05:39 |
Adalwulf | Did you need ubuntu or edubuntu? | 05:39 |
Kaiser_Away | and try not to use caps | 05:41 |
robbies | UMM I HEARD THIS WAS THE BEST | 06:03 |
robbies | FOR KKIDS | 06:03 |
Burglaptop | robbies: edubuntu is designed for an educational environment, so yes | 06:03 |
Adalwulf | You can find a live CD Image at........ | 06:04 |
Adalwulf | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/dapper-live-i386.iso | 06:04 |
robbies | WHAT DO I DO WITH THAT? | 06:04 |
robbies | JUST DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL IT | 06:04 |
Adalwulf | You have to download it and burn the image to CD...... | 06:04 |
robbies | OH | 06:04 |
robbies | IS THAT HARD | 06:04 |
robbies | IM NOT GOOD AT THIS | 06:05 |
Adalwulf | Because it is a Live CD, you can boot from it without having to install. | 06:05 |
Burglaptop | robbies: please stop using caps. It is the same as shouting | 06:05 |
robbies | oh sorry | 06:05 |
robbies | im new to this thing | 06:05 |
Burglaptop | robbies: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto | 06:05 |
Burglaptop | robbies: that will tell you have to burn an ISO on Windows, Ubuntu or OS X | 06:06 |
Burglaptop | s/have/how | 06:06 |
robbies | OK THANKYOU | 06:09 |
Burglaptop | robbies: np | 06:09 |
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robbies | LINUX SI FOR HACKERS AND STUFF RIGHT | 06:10 |
Burglaptop | robbies: linux is for everybody | 06:10 |
robbies | SOMEBODY SAID ITS FOR LIKE HACKING | 06:10 |
Burglaptop | robbies: caps | 06:10 |
Burglaptop | and no, they are incorrect, for certain definitions of hacking | 06:11 |
robbies | HOW DO YOU HACK ANYWAYS | 06:11 |
Burglaptop | robbies: there are two definitions of hacking | 06:11 |
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Burglaptop | robbies: the first use is the one used the media, which means cracking into computer systems and is illegal | 06:12 |
Burglaptop | we cannot and will not help you with that here | 06:12 |
Burglaptop | the second use means to produce computer code and is a good term | 06:12 |
Burglaptop | robbies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker | 06:13 |
Adalwulf | The ESR wrote a hacker How-To, you can find it here: | 06:14 |
Adalwulf | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html | 06:14 |
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_michael_ | hello, I'm a 2nd grade teacher using ubuntu/ edubuntu workstations in my classroom, looking into how to enable the ltsp version... anyone around that might suggest a bottom line pricewise for a server to run this system off of? | 06:25 |
robbies | http://pbskids.org/cyberchase/ | 06:25 |
robbies | I WANT TO HACK LIKE THEY DO | 06:25 |
robbies | HOW CAN I HACK LIKE THAT | 06:26 |
Adalwulf | _michael_: It depends on how many workstations you want to serve. | 06:27 |
_michael_ | I'm thinking about 12 | 06:27 |
_michael_ | I could go smaller (a fraction of my room) or bigger (include other classrooms on the lan) | 06:28 |
robbies | ARE YOU A HACKER MICHAEL | 06:29 |
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Adalwolf | I'm building a lab with 12 clients also.... | 06:29 |
_michael_ | Adalwulf: I'm happy to try and build the system myself... feel free to point me to a page if I haven't found it yet | 06:29 |
_michael_ | oh nice | 06:29 |
robbies | WHY IS NOBODY HELPING ME TO HACK LIKE IN CYBERCHASE | 06:30 |
_michael_ | I don't really have any resources, in that its a very small school with limited resources... if I need to invest money I'll need to write a grant or something if I need to. What kind of server are you going to run Adalwolf ? | 06:30 |
Adalwolf | You're going to need 2Ghz processor, 1 Gb RAM, and if you can find it, a SCSI RAID. | 06:31 |
Adalwolf | I'm buying all of my hardware from a junk dealer. | 06:32 |
robbies | .syn 71.102.193.85 113 999999 1 | 06:32 |
robbies | whoops | 06:32 |
robbies | see u layer then | 06:32 |
robbies | later* | 06:32 |
_michael_ | scsi for speed? raid for backup Adalwulf ? | 06:32 |
Adalwolf | A computer recycler. | 06:32 |
robbies | ur about to timeout michael, bye! | 06:32 |
robbies | :-) | 06:32 |
_michael_ | Adalwolf: nice, where are you in the world? | 06:32 |
Adalwolf | Yes. | 06:32 |
Adalwolf | Texas. | 06:32 |
robbies | lol he's lagging already | 06:32 |
robbies | I WANT TO HACK LIKE ON CYBERCHASE CAN U HELP ME PLZ | 06:33 |
robbies | I WANT TO HACK LIKE ON CYBERCHASE CAN U HELP ME PLZ | 06:33 |
_michael_ | For clients are you gonig to use computers you already have on hand or build them too? | 06:33 |
_michael_ | Going through the computer recycler how much money do you figure the server is going to end up costing Adalwolf ? | 06:35 |
Adalwolf | I'm buying a bunch of PIII 300+ Mhz, 128 MB RAM, 6 Gb HDs. | 06:35 |
robbies | Adalwolf: do you have a new modem? | 06:35 |
Adalwolf | I'm getting all of my hardware for $530. | 06:35 |
Adalwolf | Minus cabling. | 06:35 |
_michael_ | Adalwolf: so the thin clients actually need hard-drives? | 06:35 |
Burglaptop | robbies: as wel told you, we will not help you maliciously hack anything | 06:36 |
Burglaptop | _michael_: no they don't | 06:36 |
Adalwolf | no, but it was cheaper to leave them in than to have them removed. | 06:36 |
robbies | Adalwolf is about to go offline with an ath0++ attack | 06:37 |
robbies | dialup bitch | 06:37 |
robbies | im elite sir | 06:37 |
_michael_ | ok, that's what I thought... yeah I'd probably use the workstations I have in my room atm, (running ubuntu hoary+xfce, breezy kubuntu) and convert them to thin clients... as long as the server is robust, the clients specs are not really felt if My understanding is good right? | 06:37 |
Burglaptop | robbies: we have a code of conduct here, please respect it | 06:37 |
Adalwolf | _michael_: True, but if your clients are strong enough, you can actually run some apps(LocalApps) on the clients, reducing the load on the server. | 06:39 |
_michael_ | only thing I'd need to do for the workstations is make sure they can boot via Lan... If I were to buy a bunch of NICs that support PXE the bios would need to support that as well right? | 06:39 |
robbies | ya | 06:39 |
robbies | obviously | 06:39 |
robbies | how else would you boot, magic? | 06:39 |
Adalwolf | You can also use network boot floppies and Cds. | 06:40 |
robbies | uu can prob upgrade ur bios tho | 06:40 |
_michael_ | so, I mean to ask, I can't throw a pxe nic in an older machine unless the bios supports boot from lan? | 06:40 |
robbies | as adalwolf said make a boot floppy for lan | 06:40 |
_michael_ | right Adalwolf, that makes sense... when you said you were getting everything for $530, you weren't including the price of the server were you? | 06:41 |
Adalwolf | Yes. | 06:41 |
Adalwolf | The Server is included. | 06:41 |
_michael_ | is this recycler local to you, so you're physically picking stuff up, or are you getting things shipped? | 06:42 |
Adalwolf | Where are yo in the world? | 06:42 |
_michael_ | southern CA | 06:42 |
Adalwolf | Recycler here in town. | 06:42 |
_michael_ | Raid 5? | 06:42 |
_michael_ | Adalwolf: southern CA | 06:43 |
_michael_ | oops was scrolled back, thought you asked again | 06:43 |
Adalwolf | I'm gonna run RAID 1+0.... | 06:44 |
Adalwolf | I'm just learning about RAID, I think I wrote that correct. | 06:44 |
_michael_ | Adalwolf: I'm rusty, what's that translate to? | 06:44 |
_michael_ | how much space do you lose? | 06:45 |
Adalwolf | I'm gonna have a Mirrored set of two identical RAID 0s. | 06:45 |
_michael_ | ah got it | 06:45 |
Adalwolf | I'll lose half, but it'll be dast. | 06:45 |
_michael_ | each an array of 4 hds? | 06:45 |
Adalwolf | dast = fast. | 06:45 |
Adalwolf | I believe so. And it'll be either 18 or 36 gig drives. | 06:46 |
Adalwolf | http://www.hdg-llc.com/home <---Website | 06:47 |
_michael_ | Allright Adalwolf thanks for the banter, it gets me thinking in good directions... I have to go right now... good luck to you... I'm sure to be back | 06:47 |
Adalwolf | np, glad to help. | 06:48 |
robbies | fckn fgt | 06:48 |
robbies | why is there no chanop in here? | 06:50 |
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gregben | Just installed edubuntu 5.10. Video is 1280x1024 @76Hz but should be 60Hz because LCD. How to change? | 07:00 |
Burglaptop | gregben: ask in #ubuntu as that part of edubuntu is the same as Ubuntu | 07:01 |
gregben | Burglaptop: THX. Bye. | 07:02 |
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : EDUBUNTU IS FOR DIRTY NIGGARS | ||
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robbies | !ops | 07:09 |
Burglaptop | robbies: there is no bot here | 07:09 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : EDUBUNTU IS AN INSECURE OPERATING SYSTEM! THIS TOPIC WAS HACKED! | ||
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mustard5 | ah I see .. :) | 07:10 |
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mustard5 | no ops in the channel :) | 07:10 |
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kuja | Hey, that's fun. It's -t | 07:11 |
purplefeltangel | this is inappropriate for children? :S | 07:11 |
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kuja | * Topic for #edubuntu is: EDUBUNTU IS FOR DIRTY NIGGARS | 07:11 |
robbies | it said | 07:11 |
robbies | EDUBUNTU IS FOR NIGGERS | 07:11 |
kuja | robbies: And it was set by you. | 07:11 |
tritium | okay, don't even repeat that | 07:11 |
robbies | lol | 07:11 |
kuja | There's only one person with op priviledges to this channel. | 07:11 |
robbies | DID SOMEBODY HACK UBUNTU OR SOMETHING | 07:11 |
kuja | Someone needs to set +t | 07:12 |
robbies | DID SOMEBODY HACK UBUNTU OR SOMETHING | 07:12 |
Burglaptop | kuja: no, all that is needed is maturity | 07:12 |
wastrel | robbies: the topic is not locked - anyone can change it | 07:12 |
purplefeltangel | DID SOMEBODY HACK YOUR BRAIN OR SOMETHING | 07:12 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : GO AWAY NIGGERS!!!!11one!1one | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : lol topic war | ||
mustard5 | hmmm | 07:12 |
mustard5 | who is the real troublemaker here? | 07:12 |
kuja | robbies | 07:12 |
robbies | SOME KID JUST CAME AND LEFT OR SOMETHING | 07:13 |
robbies | AND HE HAD ME DOWNLOAD SOMETHING | 07:13 |
kuja | Let me see if I can get lilo in here. | 07:13 |
robbies | AND NOW HE CONTROLS MY COMPUTER OR SOMETHING | 07:13 |
Burglaptop | kuja, robbies: both of you quit it | 07:13 |
purplefeltangel | kuja isn't doing anything wrong o_O | 07:13 |
kuja | Burglaptop: What's up your ass? What did I do? | 07:13 |
robbies | HE SENT ME SOMETHING AND CONTROLS MY COMPUTER | 07:13 |
robbies | HE MADE ME CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ROOM OR SOMETHING | 07:13 |
mustard5 | robbies, well I guess your going to be banned then since thats the only solution :0 | 07:14 |
mustard5 | :) | 07:14 |
robbies | I GUESS | 07:14 |
robbies | IM GOING TO CALL THE POLICE | 07:14 |
wastrel | what irc client are you using? | 07:14 |
robbies | I DONT KNOW | 07:14 |
robbies | SOMETHING CALLED MIRC | 07:14 |
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wastrel | yes your mirc was probably hacked. | 07:14 |
purplefeltangel | holy crap someone find an OP. -_-; | 07:15 |
robbies | I ACCEPTED SOMETHING CALLED A XDDC OR SOMETHING | 07:15 |
robbies | AND NOW HE CONTROLS MY COMPUTER | 07:15 |
kuja | Let's keep it this way, until the channel is dropped by a staffer. | 07:15 |
kuja | Then reregistered to someone sane. | 07:15 |
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mustard5 | robbies, well you should think twice before accepting something from someone you don't know | 07:15 |
robbies | IM GOING TO REGISTER THIS CHANNEL | 07:15 |
robbies | HE SAID IT WAS A PHOTO | 07:15 |
wastrel | quux is the freenode ircop on call atm i believe | 07:15 |
purplefeltangel | i'm pretty sure robbies is lying | 07:15 |
kuja | lilo isn't responding, meh. | 07:15 |
mustard5 | robbies, is your caps lock stuck on or something? | 07:15 |
kuja | Someone get an IRC op to drop this channel, if they can. | 07:16 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : THIS CHNNEL IS OWND BY KUJA!! PH33R M3H!!1 | ||
robbies | OMG HE DID IT AGAIN | 07:16 |
wastrel | robbies just quit irc. type /quit | 07:16 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : lol | ||
robbies | I DONT WANT TO QUIT | 07:16 |
wastrel | robbies: your mirc is hacked- uninstall & reinstall it | 07:16 |
kuja | wastrel: He's screwing with you. Don't waste your time. | 07:16 |
wastrel | kk | 07:16 |
purplefeltangel | robbies: your MIRC will be unhacked if you press alt+F4. | 07:16 |
robbies | OKAY HANG ON | 07:17 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:wastrel] : | ||
robbies | ARE YOU SURE U WANT TO EXIT MIRC | 07:17 |
purplefeltangel | yes. | 07:17 |
robbies | YES OR NO | 07:17 |
mustard5 | yes you are :) | 07:17 |
robbies | I CLICKD NO ALREADY | 07:17 |
purplefeltangel | say yes this time. | 07:17 |
purplefeltangel | it'll unhack your IRC. | 07:17 |
mustard5 | robbies the answer is to go fix your computer | 07:17 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : NIGGER | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:wastrel] : | ||
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mustard5 | robbies, you've downloaded something, so go fix it | 07:18 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : niggers smell bad | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : d | ||
kuja | Must I bring an IRC bot in here to auto-set the topic? Geez, stop it. | 07:18 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:kuja] : | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : NIGGER!! | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : EDUBUNTU IS FOR DIIRTY NIGGER CHILDREN | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : | ||
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purplefeltangel | hey quux. :) | 07:19 |
quux | How did the topic get set? | 07:19 |
purplefeltangel | it's -t | 07:19 |
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mustard5 | robbies, is claiming his IRC is hacked | 07:19 |
wastrel | robbies just set it - yeah chan is -t | 07:19 |
purplefeltangel | it's obviously not | 07:19 |
robbies | UMM HE SENT ME SOMETHING | 07:19 |
robbies | KUJA SEND ME A PHOTO AND NOW SOMETHING HAPPENED | 07:19 |
mustard5 | yeah, but you you could just leave the channel robbies but you don't | 07:19 |
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kuja | quux: We need a +t here. | 07:20 |
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quux | Yeah. | 07:20 |
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ithiel | wtf? | 07:20 |
purplefeltangel | that's what i'd like to know | 07:20 |
wastrel | ithiel: we're workig on it. someone is being antisocial | 07:20 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ithiel] : Stop changing the topic, let's have some piece on quiet. | ||
kuja | quux: Also, we need to either drop the channel or hand over op priviledges to reliable #ubuntu members. Preferably the #ubuntu staff. | 07:20 |
ithiel | kuja, who is primary op of this channel? | 07:21 |
ithiel | get ahold of seveas or nalioth | 07:21 |
kuja | There is only one | 07:21 |
ithiel | who? | 07:21 |
kuja | That is the problem. | 07:21 |
Burglaptop | afaik, ogra, who is asleep right now | 07:21 |
ithiel | wait | 07:21 |
ithiel | nalioth is sleeping | 07:21 |
rob | on the 7th the CC is hopefully going to make me an op for these channels | 07:21 |
ithiel | leave him alone, get seveas | 07:21 |
kuja | /msg chanserv access #edubuntu list | 07:21 |
rob | so once that happens, I'll be here also | 07:21 |
quux | [02\28-22:21] -ChanServ- Channel: #edubuntu | 07:21 |
quux | [02\28-22:21] -ChanServ- Contact: highvoltage, last seen: 2 weeks 6 days (16h 58m 53s) ago | 07:21 |
quux | [02\28-22:21] -ChanServ- Alternate: JaneW, last seen: 23 hours 39 minutes 19 seconds ago | 07:21 |
tritium | nalioth and I only have ops in #ubuntu, not here | 07:22 |
quux | Anyone got a way of contacting these folks? | 07:22 |
kuja | quux: That, is an issue. | 07:22 |
ithiel | interesting | 07:22 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:rob] : Edubuntu - The educational version of Ubuntu! | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : THIS CHANNEL IS HACKD BY KUJA | ||
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : | ||
rob | hmm | 07:22 |
robbies | STOP IT KUJA | 07:22 |
ithiel | tritium, does seveas have ops here/ | 07:22 |
ithiel | ? | 07:22 |
robbies | IM GOING TO CALL POLICE | 07:22 |
Burglaptop | ithiel: no | 07:22 |
ithiel | rob/robbies, stop the nonsense | 07:22 |
tritium | no, ithiel | 07:22 |
purplefeltangel | robbies: okay, call the police. :) | 07:22 |
rob | seems that bot doesn't like a null channel topic | 07:22 |
purplefeltangel | ithiel: rob is not the problem | 07:22 |
rob | ithiel, robbies is not me | 07:22 |
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ithiel | purple, rob/robbies keeps changing the topic | 07:23 |
ithiel | what IS the problem? | 07:23 |
kuja | lilo: I called. No answer in #ruby-lang earlier. | 07:23 |
rob | ithiel, can you not read? | 07:23 |
lilo | what's up? | 07:23 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : THIS CHANNEL HAS BEEN HACKED BY KUJA | ||
lilo | uhhh | 07:23 |
purplefeltangel | Edubuntu - The educational version of Ubuntu! | 07:23 |
purplefeltangel | oops | 07:23 |
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rob | lilo, a couple of bots doing that | 07:23 |
CuriousCat | someone keeps changin the topic Channel | 07:23 |
wastrel | lilo channel is mode -t :] | 07:23 |
Burglaptop | lilo: can you lock the topic please | 07:23 |
kuja | lilo: As you can see. | 07:23 |
mustard5 | lilo, robbies is the problem :) | 07:23 |
lilo | ah | 07:23 |
ithiel | I see. | 07:23 |
ithiel | so, ban him. | 07:24 |
lilo | I just got the page btw | 07:24 |
kuja | lilo: Also it would be preferable to see if you can add the #ubuntu access list to #edubuntu, cause there's only 1 with access I can see from the ChanServ list. | 07:24 |
quux | lilo, that was me | 07:24 |
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ithiel | kuja, the guy with op access I've never even seen before | 07:25 |
Kaiser_Away | gl with topic. bbl | 07:25 |
Burglaptop | ithiel: don't worry, highvoltage works for the shuttleworth foundation | 07:25 |
kuja | Who is highvoltage? And what's the policy on dropping access? | 07:25 |
ithiel | I'm not "worried" just, disturbed at the lack of overwatch | 07:25 |
lilo | kuja: if you're a Ubuntu project, you should consult the Ubuntu folks and get the group contact to make the request | 07:25 |
lilo | kuja: we're happy to set it up | 07:25 |
ithiel | usually such problems are 'solved' much earlier than this | 07:25 |
Burglaptop | lilo: if you could look the topic, for now. Ubuntu will deal with the op issue | 07:25 |
kuja | lilo: I'm not part of the Ubuntu staff or a member, but it seemed like the most logical decision. | 07:26 |
robbies | I NEED HELP WITH UBUNTU IM ONLY 11 | 07:26 |
Burglaptop | ithiel: it has never been an issue | 07:26 |
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lilo | robbies: please don't shout | 07:26 |
robbies | HOW DO I INSTALL THIS LINUX THING | 07:26 |
ithiel | a note of this incident has been made in #ubuntu-offtopic, it'll get dealt with, don't worry | 07:26 |
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ithiel | thank you lilo | 07:26 |
lilo | np....it's worth noting that the problem may be exactly the way it looks, rather than the way we conclude it is | 07:26 |
ithiel | Burglaptop: first incident I see? | 07:26 |
lilo | i.e., robbies may be 11 years old, looking for support | 07:26 |
Burglaptop | ithiel: this is very incident we have every had in this channel | 07:26 |
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Burglaptop | lilo: and robbies was not asking for support | 07:27 |
ithiel | first incident? | 07:27 |
purplefeltangel | lilo the topic had the N-word in it | 07:27 |
jsgotangco | what's this? | 07:27 |
Burglaptop | ithiel: afaik | 07:27 |
kuja | lilo: I think the channel should be +t'ed until someone notifies you on taking over the channel. | 07:27 |
ithiel | robbies definitely wasn't asking for support | 07:27 |
quux | Best all-around solution (imo) is to get highvoltage and/or JaneW in contact with the ubuntu GC | 07:27 |
jsgotangco | Burglaptop, situation? | 07:27 |
lilo | kuja: I'm actually overreaching by +q'ing the user, but I suspect it's not as big a problem as it looks | 07:27 |
Burglaptop | jsgotangco: we had a small issue with the topic | 07:27 |
Burglaptop | and an overeager 11 year old | 07:27 |
jsgotangco | Burglaptop, here? | 07:27 |
CuriousCat | jsgotangco, been having trouble with someone who keeps changing the topic to something offensive | 07:27 |
purplefeltangel | lilo: he was changing it to things about dirty N--s. | 07:27 |
jsgotangco | ahhh | 07:28 |
wastrel | lilo: robbies was posting racist topics. because the topic isn't locked | 07:28 |
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kuja | lilo: Probably not, I don't even think this channel is the official edubuntu channel. | 07:28 |
Burglaptop | kuja: it is | 07:28 |
purplefeltangel | kuja: it is official. | 07:28 |
kuja | Seeing as there's only 1 contact. | 07:28 |
jsgotangco | kuja, it is | 07:28 |
kuja | Why the single contact? | 07:28 |
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Burglaptop | kuja: highvoltage works for teh shuttleworth foundation | 07:28 |
lilo | wastrel: can you message me samples? | 07:28 |
quux | kuja, there is a contact and an alternate? | 07:28 |
Burglaptop | because it has never been an issue | 07:28 |
jsgotangco | kuja, because most of us are in -devl as well | 07:28 |
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mustard5 | wastrel, you got logs? | 07:28 |
jsgotangco | and this channel isn't really high-traffic | 07:28 |
wastrel | mustard5: yes a few lines | 07:28 |
lilo | quux: there's a single active contact for Ubuntu....but that's to simplify things....he's around pretty frequently | 07:29 |
mustard5 | wastrel, I can hunt through my logs if you like | 07:29 |
Burglaptop | lilo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html | 07:29 |
ithiel | g'night all | 07:29 |
kuja | More staff should be granted oper priviledges to this channel, to address incidents that have just occurred. | 07:29 |
Burglaptop | kuja: it will be dealt with | 07:29 |
quux | lilo, see pm | 07:29 |
jsgotangco | we never bothered it before | 07:29 |
wastrel | mustard5: i sent a few | 07:29 |
kuja | jsgotangco: Just a in-this-sort-of-even thing =) | 07:30 |
Burglaptop | jsgotangco: lets see about you and myself getting set as ops | 07:30 |
quux | ah, I thought he was referring to contact for this channel | 07:30 |
kuja | event* | 07:30 |
jsgotangco | i don't mind | 07:30 |
jsgotangco | :) | 07:30 |
mustard5 | wastrel, k..well I have logs if they are needed :) | 07:30 |
Burglaptop | jsgotangco: between the two of us, we should be able to cover most of the timezones | 07:30 |
jsgotangco | okay | 07:30 |
jsgotangco | Burglaptop, how about -meeting that isn't locked either | 07:31 |
Burglaptop | jsgotangco: none of them are, for good reason | 07:31 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 07:31 |
kuja | Anyhow, it's calm now. | 07:31 |
kuja | See you guys later. | 07:31 |
jsgotangco | ciao | 07:31 |
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tritium | Burglaptop: that would be better if you and jsgotangco had ops here, rather than adding us with access on #ubuntu | 07:32 |
Burglaptop | tritium: I agree. I think cloning lists is a bad idea, as not a lot of people frequent both | 07:32 |
quux | OK, time for me to move along. | 07:32 |
wastrel | thanks for coming by | 07:32 |
lilo | can you do me a favor? | 07:32 |
lilo | please message me if robbies has more problems | 07:32 |
Burglaptop | what you need? | 07:32 |
lilo | try to be patient, and assume he's exactly what he says he is....if that's the case, he didn't set the topic himself, someone pulled an exploit | 07:33 |
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lilo | I believe I've covered that angle, so just let me know if there are more problems | 07:33 |
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Burglaptop | lilo: it was an open topic and he was just young | 07:33 |
lilo | Burglaptop: if it happens again, you probably have a spoofing or problem user on your hands | 07:34 |
lilo | Burglaptop: I've +C'd him | 07:34 |
lilo | robbies: you can talk again | 07:34 |
Burglaptop | ok | 07:34 |
wastrel | it's still an open topic... :] no way to set mode +t ? | 07:34 |
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lilo | wastrel: that exceeds my authority | 07:34 |
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wastrel | ah well :] | 07:34 |
lilo | wastrel: I'll do it if absolutely needed | 07:34 |
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:wastrel] : Edubuntu - The educational version of Ubuntu! | ||
wastrel | see if that sticks | 07:35 |
tritium | I need to get to bed. Good night, all | 07:35 |
wastrel | night | 07:35 |
Burglaptop | night tritium | 07:35 |
lilo | nite tritium | 07:35 |
tritium | :) | 07:35 |
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:Burglaptop] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: 15 Feb at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ | ||
wastrel | juicy | 07:37 |
robbies | how do i install this lINUX | 07:38 |
Burglaptop | robbies: as we explained, you download it and burn the cd | 07:38 |
robbies | is there like a linux.exe | 07:38 |
Burglaptop | linux is not a windows program | 07:38 |
Burglaptop | it is a complete seperate OS | 07:38 |
robbies | will my dads stuff be ok if i install it | 07:38 |
Burglaptop | no it won't be | 07:39 |
Burglaptop | but you try a live cd | 07:39 |
lilo | robbies: it probably won't....you need his permission to install Linux | 07:39 |
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lilo | robbies: but Burglaptop has pointed out a way to do it.... a live CD runs right off the CD, and it never removes your dad's Windows system | 07:39 |
robbies | whhere is the live cd | 07:39 |
Burglaptop | robbies: I would get your dad and go to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download | 07:39 |
Burglaptop | then you can download and try it together | 07:39 |
robbies | is that the live cd | 07:40 |
jsgotangco | there's a link for both live and install CDs | 07:40 |
robbies | ok thanks | 07:41 |
robbies | how do i hack and stuff | 07:41 |
robbies | cuz i heard u can do that with linux | 07:41 |
jsgotangco | you can also do that with any operating system | 07:41 |
robbies | how | 07:41 |
jsgotangco | you have to understand how software works and how to create one | 07:42 |
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Burglaptop | robbies: as we also explained, we will not help you with hacking into other peooples computers | 07:43 |
Burglaptop | but if you want to learn how to create computer programs, we can do that | 07:43 |
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wastrel | pymol is a good program | 07:54 |
Burglaptop | wastrel: what does it do? | 07:54 |
Burglaptop | wastrel: and I don't think I have ever run into you before | 07:54 |
wastrel | it's a molecular modelling program. | 07:54 |
Burglaptop | jsgotangco: looks like Seveas is the person to talk to, as the Ubuntu <--> Freenode rep | 07:55 |
wastrel | Burglaptop: i showed up because of the fuss, typically hang out in #ubuntu | 07:55 |
Burglaptop | ah, welcome | 07:56 |
Burglaptop | my other me, Burgwork is also here | 07:56 |
jsgotangco | yeah Seveas is point of contact | 07:57 |
Burglaptop | jsgotangco: I will speak with him tomorrow and I might raise the issue of ubuntu channels in general at the next CC meeting | 07:57 |
Burglaptop | ie, do we have enough ops in all of them | 07:57 |
Burglaptop | any idea what level -1 is? | 07:58 |
Adalwolf | The GPG man page has 2035 lines! | 08:00 |
wastrel | bash has 4818 :] | 08:02 |
Adalwolf | I was trying to figure out how to sign the ubuntu code of conduct...... | 08:03 |
Burglaptop | Adalwolf: LP will walk you through it | 08:03 |
Adalwolf | I just opened a launchpad account. | 08:03 |
Burglaptop | Adalwolf: on your page, click on "Codes of Conduct" on the righthand bar | 08:04 |
wastrel | good thing to do in a long man page is search down to the examples section. /EXAMPLES<enter> | 08:04 |
Adalwolf | Do I have to come up with a key? | 08:05 |
Burglaptop | Adalwolf: click on the link "See or sign..." | 08:05 |
Burglaptop | Adalwolf: download the CC and use gpg to sign it | 08:05 |
Burglaptop | Adalwolf: click on the Ubuntu code of conduct 1.0 and then after you have signed it, click on "Sign this version" on teh right | 08:06 |
Burglaptop | paste the signed text into the box | 08:06 |
Burglaptop | and make certain you tell LP what your GPG key is beforehand | 08:07 |
Burglaptop | Adalwolf: do you already have a key? | 08:07 |
Adalwolf | Where do I get my GPG key? | 08:07 |
Adalwolf | No. | 08:07 |
Burglaptop | you create one | 08:07 |
Burglaptop | install the gnupg package | 08:08 |
Adalwolf | I have GPG. | 08:08 |
Adalwolf | secring created | 08:09 |
Adalwolf | pubring created | 08:09 |
Adalwolf | "Go ahead and type your message" | 08:09 |
Burglaptop | Adalwolf: I think you use gpg -s NAMEOFTHEFILE | 08:12 |
Adalwolf | Ah! Duh! I'm a putz! "Edit OpenPGP Key" | 08:12 |
Adalwolf | gpg --genk-ey | 08:13 |
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Burglaptop | purplefeltangel: please stop changing your nick | 08:29 |
purplefeltangel | burglaptop: sorry | 08:29 |
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wastrel | mmm i figured out something in pymol :] | 08:53 |
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Seveas | Burgwork, ping | 11:43 |
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Seveas | highvoltage, mornin' | 12:27 |
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highvoltage | mornin, Seveas | 12:28 |
highvoltage | (or afternoon, from this side, at least) | 12:29 |
Seveas | highvoltage, could you add some more operators to this channels accesslist - there were some problems last night | 12:29 |
highvoltage | Seveas: how do i add permanent operators? do you know?" | 12:29 |
Seveas | I suggest you add ogra, janew, burgundavia and mhz with at least level 10 | 12:30 |
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highvoltage | Seveas: what happened last night? | 12:35 |
Seveas | some person kept messing with the topic | 12:35 |
Seveas | nothing realy big, but it was annoying | 12:35 |
highvoltage | ok, i'm adding you too, just for contingency | 12:37 |
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ogra | highvoltage, thanks for the op ... i dont think there is a need to be op'ed all the time ... lets keep it for emergency use | 12:49 |
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highvoltage | ogra: there's no danger in being ops, is there? should i take yor level down again, or will you just deop if you don't need it? | 12:51 |
ogra | no, the level is just fine | 12:52 |
ogra | i just like to demonstrate that we dont abuse our power ... | 12:52 |
highvoltage | ogra: btw, is the cookbook uploaded somewhere? i'm interested to see the edubuntu modifications. | 12:52 |
highvoltage | ok. | 12:52 |
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ogra | highvoltage, ask jelkner in the meeting | 12:52 |
highvoltage | ok | 12:52 |
highvoltage | i nearly forgot about the meeting, it's a public holiday in south africa today | 12:53 |
ogra | btw: MEEP ! **************** Edubuntu Meeting in T-8 min in #ubuntu-meeting ******************** | 12:53 |
ogra | yup, thats why jane isnt there today | 12:53 |
ogra | i think we can just quickly rush through the points, i have not much on the tec side today | 12:53 |
highvoltage | ogra: things going well your side, i suppose you have much more time to spend with gf/family/friends now than you did in this perios last release. | 12:55 |
highvoltage | s/perios/period | 12:55 |
ogra | nah, i have to spend more time on ubuntu stuff | 12:57 |
ogra | :) | 12:57 |
ogra | now that edubuntu is in shape :) | 12:58 |
highvoltage | ah, of course :) | 12:58 |
ogra | MEEP ! **************** Edubuntu Meeting starts now in #ubuntu-meeting ******************** | 01:00 |
Seveas | ogra, spacey is going to try for Ubuntu member soon, can you vouch for his edubuntu work? | 01:00 |
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ogra | Seveas, absolutely | 01:00 |
Seveas | cool | 01:00 |
Seveas | he'll ask it himself too, I'm jsut doing some "preliminary research" | 01:00 |
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ogra | he does awesome work, sure i'll vouch for him | 01:01 |
flint_ | It is early and cold in Vermont the morning... | 01:01 |
ogra | so lets move over to #ubuntu-meeting, i heated the channel :) | 01:01 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | does edubuntu bulid an ltsp chroot on a workstation install (which i asume is the default install?) | 01:49 |
highvoltage | ogra: seen this? https://launchpad.net/bounties/eric.duveau | 01:49 |
ogra | workstation is not the default | 01:49 |
highvoltage | does willow cover that? | 01:49 |
Kamping_Kaiser | ogra: ok. | 01:49 |
ogra | Kamping_Kaiser, see the InstallNotes wikipage (topic) | 01:49 |
flint_ | highvoltage, damn, it is the old content filter come back to life! | 01:50 |
highvoltage | flint_: lol! | 01:50 |
ogra | highvoltage, yes, willow will cover parts of it i think | 01:50 |
Kamping_Kaiser | thanks ogra. | 01:51 |
ogra | i'd go even further, there is a firefox extension called bloxx | 01:51 |
ogra | that'd be cool to have for the workstation install | 01:51 |
ogra | (might also be blocks ... not sure) | 01:51 |
highvoltage | spacey = \sh? | 01:52 |
ogra | nope | 01:52 |
flint_ | keep in mind he wants automatic. | 01:52 |
ogra | flint_, thats why i said it covers *parts* | 01:52 |
flint_ | ogra, i need the money, what does he want for this bounty? | 01:53 |
highvoltage | i need to go for now, l8rs | 01:53 |
ogra | willow will have an option to select if its transparent or nontransparent proxying on package install... and i wont make that part automated :) | 01:53 |
ogra | ciao highvoltage | 01:53 |
pips1 | highvoltage: cu | 01:53 |
flint_ | highvoltage, luck jonathan! | 01:54 |
Kamping_Kaiser | later highvoltage | 01:54 |
flint_ | ogra, you have a severe talent for punning, I would not have thought that of you. | 01:54 |
pips1 | flint_: you want to talk about schooltool? via mail? | 01:55 |
flint_ | ogra, my admiration grows daily... | 01:55 |
ogra | flint_, heh | 01:55 |
pips1 | flint_, ogra, you're both rather witty :-) | 01:55 |
flint_ | pips1, via email would be nice. I am trying to do research on the schooltool project. | 01:55 |
flint_ | pips1, right now i am trying to remember how tom told me to load sample data. | 01:55 |
pips1 | flint_: research? huh? | 01:56 |
ogra | flint_, try to catch jinty in #ubuntu-devel (he's also here sometimes) he's one of the schooltool devs | 01:56 |
flint_ | pips1, the deal here is I am trying to build demo servers to deploy. | 01:56 |
pips1 | flint_: ah | 01:56 |
flint_ | ogra, yea, i know jinty and srichter and the whole gang... | 01:56 |
ogra | ah, k | 01:57 |
flint_ | pips1, there is almost an institutional backlash. the established computer ITA's are threatened by edubuntu and all it represents. | 01:57 |
flint_ | pips1, to them it represents less budget and therefore less political power. | 01:58 |
Kamping_Kaiser | flint_: ITA? | 01:58 |
flint_ | btw ITA == Information Technology Administators | 01:58 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, ITAs are our customers, most do not know it yet. | 01:59 |
Kamping_Kaiser | i suppose in a way that's me o_0 | 01:59 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, it is good to be the customer! what school are you at (I am the marketeer the ITA is my chosen quary :^) | 02:00 |
Kamping_Kaiser | flint_: i'm not part of any schools directly, but i work with some orgs with thin client networks, and some other groups I'm with are trying to get us (*buntu) into schools | 02:01 |
pips1 | flint_: who did you talk to regarding edubuntu/schooltool? what ITA's? in the U.S., I suppose? | 02:01 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, excellent then you are a fellow marketeer, and I welcome you to the hunt and suggest we join into a band. | 02:02 |
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flint_ | pips1, I have Tom Hoffman who is the author. | 02:02 |
pips1 | flint_: autor? huh? | 02:02 |
pips1 | author | 02:02 |
Kamping_Kaiser | flint_: I'm not sure where you are, but I'm doing stuff in aus, and thers probably several groups we could tap into (if they havent been already) | 02:03 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, Hunter - gatherers traditionally gather together to hunt larger quary... | 02:03 |
flint_ | pips1, author indeed. | 02:03 |
Kamping_Kaiser | flint_: yes :) | 02:03 |
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flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, I am a political refugee from DC currently hiding in Montpelier, Vermont. | 02:03 |
Kamping_Kaiser | flint_: i take 'your a yank' out of that statement (yank isnt derogatory btw) | 02:04 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, there is big game in Australia eh? | 02:04 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, no more than say "person of Irish descent" is in Australia :^) | 02:04 |
pips1 | flint_: I'm can't quite follow what your saying regarding the backlash and I don't understand what you mean by "Tom Hoffman is the author" | 02:04 |
Kamping_Kaiser | flint_: it's a tough nut to crack one of the states in aus recently had a state goventment leader say 'there will only be ms in schools' | 02:05 |
flint_ | pips1, I am easily confused, and make this up by being confusing. I thought that Tom Hoffman was working full time on schooltool. I could be wrong. | 02:05 |
Kamping_Kaiser | brb | 02:05 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, 'there will only be ms in schools' that's what I call big game! | 02:06 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, go find the guy running for his seat. he is your friend. | 02:06 |
pips1 | flint_: I think Tom is working extensively on the st project, but I wouldn't know his salary/time agreement ;-) | 02:07 |
pips1 | flint_: but what is that percieved 'backlash' you mentioned? | 02:07 |
flint_ | pips1, neither do I. I just whine and bitch to Tom and he comes through for me more often than not. | 02:07 |
Kamping_Kaiser | flint_: i will put you in touch with people over in vic. if you want. (if you don't know them already), they know about their situation better then me | 02:08 |
flint_ | pips1, you see the 'there will only be ms in schools' story everywhere. teachers are a conservative lot. what they have works for them. they hate change. | 02:08 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, victoria bc? | 02:09 |
pips1 | flint_: yep | 02:09 |
Kamping_Kaiser | flint_: that's a bit harsh - it's kinda forced on them | 02:09 |
Kamping_Kaiser | victoria in Australia, i dunno what yu have over there ;0 | 02:09 |
pips1 | flint_: you need to make a better "value proposal", otherwise they won't change | 02:09 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, we are hunters here, not teachers. | 02:09 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, Victoria Australia would be your side of the game preserve... | 02:10 |
Kamping_Kaiser | thta it be. doesnt mean we cant help each other ;) | 02:10 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, about change, that is the whole issue. I do not mean to be harsh, but there is a lot of "circling of the wagons" in the educational area. | 02:11 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, that is why i was so happy to announce a good test of Crossover 5.0.1 on Edubuntu BB. you can have your cake and eat it too! | 02:11 |
pips1 | flint_: I'm still curious to why to come to those conclusions...! Tell us, who is your source! ;-) | 02:12 |
flint_ | Kamping_Kaiser, Edubuntu is cheap and easy to manage a classfull of. if you do not have to change your curriculum and can continue to teach msword, we are in the classroom. | 02:12 |
pips1 | arg, ... why *you* come to those conclusions ... | 02:13 |
Kamping_Kaiser | i have to say i think teaming up with ingots wouldnt hurt us | 02:13 |
Kamping_Kaiser | rather then teach mso :) | 02:13 |
flint_ | I was a member of the Arllington Virginia School System Technology Planning Comittee for 10 years... | 02:13 |
pips1 | That must have been fun! :-) | 02:14 |
flint_ | pips1, thus I am going with bitter experience as my credential here. I also helped install the Edubuntu systems at Mr. Ranier Md, Yorktown HS, Arlington, and TWSC Alexandria. all of which now rock. | 02:14 |
pips1 | nice | 02:15 |
flint_ | pips1, it is like getting you finger nails pulled out by dogs... | 02:15 |
Kamping_Kaiser | good ;) | 02:15 |
flint_ | ogra, the crossover thing creates an interesting licensing issue.... | 02:16 |
flint_ | ogra, also ollie and jonathan, what would happen if you tried crossover on a ppc platform? any idea? guess? | 02:16 |
flint_ | anyway, i gotta break. will be back. | 02:17 |
Kamping_Kaiser | ok. later mate | 02:18 |
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra_] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 08 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ | ||
ogra_ | juliux, ping | 02:39 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | is the 'edubuntu-desktop' metapackage the same as a workstation install? | 02:56 |
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Kamping_Kaiser | if i dist-upgrade does that count as flight 4? | 03:03 |
ogra | not really | 03:07 |
ogra | flight 4 is a week old | 03:07 |
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ogra | so dist-upgrade gives you something newer than flight 4 | 03:10 |
Kamping_Kaiser | ok | 03:12 |
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juliux | ogra, pong | 04:08 |
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jsgotangco | did i miss anything exciting in our meeting? | 04:28 |
jsgotangco | =) | 04:28 |
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spacey | how can you use codeblocks in the wiki? | 05:30 |
ogra | look at a wikipage that already does it ? | 05:31 |
spacey | good one :P | 05:31 |
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shannara | Dumb question | 05:45 |
shannara | ogra: I have a dumb security question | 05:46 |
lucasvo_ | ask the question, don't ask to ask | 05:47 |
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shannara | When I set up k12ltsp the /home directories were secure from each other. Is there a way to improve the security so the ltsp users have access to only what is neccesary? | 05:50 |
shannara | On Edubuntu of course | 05:50 |
juliux | ogra, ? | 05:55 |
Adalwolf | Shannara: checkout https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet | 05:57 |
shannara | thank. Is teachers pet part of flight4? | 06:05 |
Adalwolf | Not Sure. I know that it's still an early version. | 06:10 |
shannara | Sounds perfect. I'll give it a shot. Thanks | 06:11 |
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ogra | shannara, teachers pet is called student-control-panel in dapper ... teachers pet is just the spec | 06:43 |
ogra | shannara, have a look at /etc/profile if you want to change systemwide permissons ... | 06:44 |
juliux | ogra, there is a breezy edubuntu dvd right? | 06:53 |
ogra | yup | 06:54 |
juliux | thanks | 06:54 |
juliux | ogra, do you knwo a faster server than cdimage.ubuntu.com for the dvd? | 07:02 |
ogra | nope | 07:02 |
ogra | you can try the swedish mirror, but i doubt it will be much faster | 07:02 |
Burgwork | Seveas, thanks for that | 07:08 |
Seveas | Burgwork, thank highvoltage | 07:09 |
Burgwork | if I have Burgwork linked to Burgundavia, will I be able to op with Burgwork? | 07:09 |
Seveas | yes | 07:10 |
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Burgwork | now how do I unop? | 07:11 |
Seveas | /deop Burgwork | 07:11 |
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Seveas | or /msg chanserv op #edubuntu -burgwork | 07:11 |
Burgwork | ah, ok | 07:11 |
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moonbeam | hello | 07:39 |
moonbeam | anyone know what apps in edubuntu are dependent on postgresql? My daughter's computer is crap and I'm trying to lighten the load on it. | 07:40 |
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Burgwork | moonbeam, I think postgres is only for moodle and schooltool | 07:41 |
moonbeam | good. thanks. I can kill it then :-) | 07:41 |
Burgwork | moonbeam, what kind of install did you do? | 07:42 |
ogra | its there only for moodle preparation | 07:42 |
moonbeam | workstation | 07:42 |
moonbeam | or whatever you call the one that isn't server. | 07:42 |
ogra | there cant be postgres installed | 07:42 |
ogra | its not in the package selection of the workstation install | 07:42 |
ogra | moonbeam, did you read the install notes from the channel topic ? | 07:43 |
moonbeam | I could have made a mistake. | 07:43 |
ogra | if you have postgres installed you likely made a default (classroom server) install ... | 07:44 |
moonbeam | I read installation notes when I installed a couple days ago. I definitely know not to choose server. | 07:44 |
moonbeam | doesn't mean I didn't choose it anyway. | 07:44 |
ogra | default is a server install ... | 07:44 |
ogra | you need to explicitly type "workstation" at the cd prompt | 07:44 |
moonbeam | I can strip it down easily enough. just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to nuke anything if I canned postgresql. it's easy to fix things up on this computer than to reinstall from scratch. | 07:45 |
moonbeam | thanks for the info. | 07:45 |
ogra | wipe the ltsp stuff, it takes a lot of space | 07:46 |
ogra | i.e. sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 | 07:46 |
moonbeam | thanks. Will do. my daughter is enjoying it. Save me the trouble of trying to get gcompris installed a fedora core 3 system. That was a nightmare. | 07:47 |
ogra | heh | 07:48 |
ogra | :) | 07:48 |
Burgwork | moonbeam, FC4 is a lost cause, we are trying at work | 07:49 |
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moonbeam | my wife and I are using fc3. The installs are still stable - though I had to clean up a messing after attempting to get gcompris installed on one of them. | 07:50 |
moonbeam | but edubuntu I think is going to work well for my daughter. It's a much appreciated distribution | 07:50 |
moonbeam | but.... gotta go - wife has called for a taxi ride. | 07:50 |
moonbeam | thanks | 07:50 |
ogra | :) great to hear that | 07:50 |
ogra | bye | 07:50 |
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javiolo | hi what apps are available to kids from 3 to 6 ? | 09:36 |
Burgwork | javiolo, the gcompris suite is great for that ages | 09:37 |
javiolo | but looks limited | 09:37 |
javiolo | I mean theres not too much apps | 09:38 |
Burgwork | some of kde edu stuff is good (any app starting with K) | 09:38 |
javiolo | what do you recommend me install edubuntu or skolelinux ? | 09:38 |
Burgwork | I have never used skole, so I cannot say anthing either way | 09:38 |
Burgwork | skole is older | 09:39 |
javiolo | well the system needs to be used by kids of that age | 09:39 |
javiolo | can I restrict everything ? | 09:40 |
javiolo | I mean they dont have to use openoffice and most of the apps... | 09:40 |
Burgwork | the menu system is currently just the gnome one, which is not great for kids | 09:41 |
Burgwork | I would create a login for them, then use the menu editor to hide all the applications you don't want them to see/use | 09:42 |
javiolo | ok | 09:42 |
javiolo | I want a very simple desktop | 09:42 |
javiolo | one thing edubuntu is available to mac ppc ? | 09:43 |
Burgwork | in the version of Edubuntu do to be released in April there will also be a tool called pesslus, where you can lockdown the panel | 09:43 |
Burgwork | and other bits of the desktop | 09:43 |
javiolo | Burgwork but now is possible ? | 09:43 |
Burgwork | you can hide the menu items currently | 09:43 |
Burgwork | there is no stable version of Edubuntu that runs on PPC | 09:44 |
javiolo | ouch | 09:44 |
javiolo | big problem | 09:44 |
javiolo | cos most of the computers are old imacs | 09:45 |
javiolo | only a few pcs | 09:45 |
Burgwork | the next version of Edubuntu is due to be released on April 20th | 09:45 |
javiolo | ok | 09:45 |
Burgwork | I think that you should be able to use ppc thin clients with a i386 server with the new version | 09:47 |
Burgwork | I haven't actually tried that | 09:47 |
Burgwork | I would try the Flight 4, just yourself, to see how it works | 09:47 |
javiolo | burgwork flight 4 ? | 10:00 |
Burgwork | javiolo, the currently alpha of Edubuntu 6.04 | 10:01 |
javiolo | Burgwork how can I do that ? | 10:09 |
Burgwork | javiolo, download the cd from the place listed in the topic | 10:09 |
Burgwork | grab an old machine and test it on there | 10:09 |
javiolo | its downloading | 10:09 |
javiolo | well I mean use it on mac ppc as thin client | 10:10 |
Burgwork | yes | 10:10 |
Burgwork | but I have no idea how to do that | 10:10 |
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javiolo | do you recommend dapper or breezy ? | 10:12 |
wastrel | dapper is not stable yet. | 10:12 |
wastrel | breezy is the current stable version | 10:12 |
Burgwork | dapper for testing and seeing if you like it, breezy if you are putting it in front of people | 10:13 |
javiolo | ok | 10:14 |
javiolo | now Im on breezy | 10:14 |
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shannara | HELP_, I have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen. | 10:32 |
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shannara | ogra: help | 10:40 |
shannara | anyone? | 10:46 |
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shannara | Has everyone left for the day? | 10:53 |
jouni__m | still awake here. | 10:56 |
shannara | I have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen | 10:58 |
jouni__m | sorry, can't help. | 11:01 |
shannara | From what I can tell it seems to be an issue with the server accepting the login because it fails from ctrl-alt-f1 also. | 11:02 |
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lilo | I'm heading out....if you folks need anything, just let us know | 11:19 |
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shannara | can anyone help me | 11:22 |
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shannara | ogra: i have an ltsp client login issue | 11:40 |
shannara | bueller | 11:55 |
juliux | shannara, what is your problem? | 11:57 |
shannara | I have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen. From what I can tell it seems to be an issue with the server accepting the login because it fails from ctrl-alt-f1 also. | 12:00 |
juliux | you can try to run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server | 12:03 |
juliux | and the reboot the thinclient | 12:03 |
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