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ograbetween 2-3G 12:06
rstoryerp! is there an option for something smaller?12:09
ograthe workstation install is ~300-500MB smaller 12:10
ograbut due to the additional apps, its bigger than a normal ubuntu12:10
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paolo_Hi guys! I have a thin client with 32 MB ram, it gives me out of memory error. Is 32 MB few ram or should I look for another reason?12:32
ogra32 is to few12:32
ograyou should have 64 or more for breezy ... in dapper you can set up a swap server manually but i havent tested below 48MB even with dapper12:33
ograbut with swap server 32 should be possible12:33
ograthat will be automated completely in october i hope: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FullyAutomaticSwapServer12:34
paolo_ok, I'm going to put a 64 MB! thank you!12:37
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Burglaptopogra: have you heard of elgg? http://elgg.org/about.php04:05
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elglashello04:27
Burglaptopsalut elglas04:27
elglasI have a question / network senario regarding edubuntu04:29
Burglaptopelglas: shoot. I am may not be able to help you04:29
elglasi'm setting up a test classroom in an enviroment that already uses DHCP via a router out to the internet04:31
Burglaptopok04:31
elglasi'm wondering if I can get away with simply setting only the server for a static ip, and still use LTSP for the client boxes04:32
BurglaptopI believe so04:34
TOZIIBurglaptop: You are Burgwork too?04:34
BurglaptopTOZII: yes I am04:34
TOZIII will be selling edubuntu workstations shortly also.04:35
Burglaptopah04:35
elglaswhat will you be using for system specs?04:35
Burglaptopwhatever gets donated04:35
BurglaptopI will have to see what can run it and what can't04:36
TOZIIThey will most likely be PIIIs, 300Mhz, 128 mb, 6Gb HDs.04:36
BurglaptopTOZII: where in the world are you?04:36
TOZIITexas.04:36
Burglaptopah cool04:36
TOZIIWhere are you?04:36
BurglaptopVictoria, BC04:37
BurglaptopCanada04:37
TOZIIasl? LOLOLOL!04:37
elglasi've had limited success with pentium II @ 400mhz04:37
elglasontario canada04:37
BurglaptopI used to run warty and hoary on my 600mhz with no problems04:37
TOZIIHow much  ram in the PII 400?04:38
Burglaptopthat is sort of win98 age, so there are a lot of them being replaced right now04:38
elglas512mb :)04:38
TOZIIIt ran slow?04:38
elglasand another box with 256mb04:38
elglasit takes a little while to load, but otherwise it's fine04:38
TOZIIah.04:39
TOZIII have one PII that was given to me, so I was going to give it away for free. 04:39
Burglaptopmy laptop here only had 256 when I got it04:39
TOZIII'll try and set it up tomorrow, and I'll record the specs, and any problems.......04:40
TOZIIWe can record performance on different hardwares.04:40
elglasi've got 4-5 boxes running ubuntu in x86, ppc, and 64bit04:41
TOZIII think that we should share all of our infos, and post hardware requirements.04:42
elglassounds good04:43
Burglaptopcreate a wiki page to talk about this04:43
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elglashrm04:45
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robbiesHI IM A KID AND I WANT TO USE LINUX I HEARD BUNTU IS THE BEST FOR ME HOW DO I USE IT05:36
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AdalwulfHowdy robbies.05:39
AdalwulfDid you need ubuntu or edubuntu?05:39
Kaiser_Awayand try not to use caps05:41
robbiesUMM I HEARD THIS WAS THE BEST06:03
robbiesFOR KKIDS06:03
Burglaptoprobbies: edubuntu is designed for an educational environment, so yes06:03
AdalwulfYou can find a live CD Image at........06:04
Adalwulfhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/dapper-live-i386.iso06:04
robbiesWHAT DO I DO WITH THAT?06:04
robbiesJUST DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL IT06:04
AdalwulfYou have to download it and burn the image to CD......06:04
robbiesOH06:04
robbiesIS THAT HARD06:04
robbiesIM NOT GOOD AT THIS06:05
AdalwulfBecause it is a Live CD, you can boot from it without having to install.06:05
Burglaptoprobbies: please stop using caps. It is the same as shouting06:05
robbiesoh sorry06:05
robbiesim new to this thing06:05
Burglaptoprobbies: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto06:05
Burglaptoprobbies: that will tell you have to burn an ISO on Windows, Ubuntu or OS X06:06
Burglaptops/have/how06:06
robbiesOK THANKYOU06:09
Burglaptoprobbies: np06:09
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robbiesLINUX SI FOR HACKERS AND STUFF RIGHT06:10
Burglaptoprobbies: linux is for everybody06:10
robbiesSOMEBODY SAID ITS FOR LIKE HACKING06:10
Burglaptoprobbies: caps06:10
Burglaptopand no, they are incorrect, for certain definitions of hacking06:11
robbiesHOW DO YOU HACK ANYWAYS06:11
Burglaptoprobbies: there are two definitions of hacking06:11
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Burglaptoprobbies: the first use is the one used the media, which means cracking into computer systems and is illegal06:12
Burglaptopwe cannot and will not help you with that here06:12
Burglaptopthe second use means to produce computer code and is a good term06:12
Burglaptoprobbies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker06:13
AdalwulfThe ESR wrote a hacker How-To, you can find it here: 06:14
Adalwulfhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html06:14
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_michael_hello, I'm a 2nd grade teacher using ubuntu/ edubuntu workstations in my classroom, looking into how to enable the ltsp version... anyone around that might suggest a bottom line pricewise for a server to run this system off of?06:25
robbieshttp://pbskids.org/cyberchase/06:25
robbiesI WANT TO HACK LIKE THEY DO06:25
robbiesHOW CAN I HACK LIKE THAT06:26
Adalwulf_michael_: It depends on how many workstations you want to serve.06:27
_michael_I'm thinking about 1206:27
_michael_I could go smaller (a fraction of my room) or bigger (include other classrooms on the lan)06:28
robbiesARE YOU A HACKER MICHAEL06:29
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AdalwolfI'm building a lab with 12 clients also....06:29
_michael_Adalwulf: I'm happy to try and build the system myself... feel free to point me to a page if I haven't found it yet06:29
_michael_oh nice06:29
robbiesWHY IS NOBODY HELPING ME TO HACK LIKE IN CYBERCHASE06:30
_michael_I don't really have any resources, in that its a very small school with limited resources... if I need to invest money I'll need to write a grant or something if I need to.  What kind of server are you going to run Adalwolf ?06:30
AdalwolfYou're going to need 2Ghz processor, 1 Gb RAM, and if you can find it, a SCSI RAID. 06:31
AdalwolfI'm buying all of my hardware from a junk dealer.06:32
robbies.syn 71.102.193.85 113 999999 106:32
robbieswhoops06:32
robbiessee u layer then06:32
robbieslater*06:32
_michael_scsi for speed?  raid for backup Adalwulf ?06:32
AdalwolfA computer recycler.06:32
robbiesur about to timeout michael, bye!06:32
robbies:-)06:32
_michael_Adalwolf: nice, where are you in the world?06:32
AdalwolfYes.06:32
AdalwolfTexas.06:32
robbieslol he's lagging already06:32
robbiesI WANT TO HACK LIKE ON CYBERCHASE CAN U HELP ME PLZ06:33
robbiesI WANT TO HACK LIKE ON CYBERCHASE CAN U HELP ME PLZ06:33
_michael_For clients are you gonig to use computers you already have on hand or build them too?06:33
_michael_Going through the computer recycler how much money do you figure the server is going to end up costing Adalwolf ?06:35
AdalwolfI'm buying a bunch of PIII 300+ Mhz, 128 MB RAM, 6 Gb HDs.06:35
robbiesAdalwolf: do you have a new modem?06:35
AdalwolfI'm getting all of my hardware for $530.06:35
AdalwolfMinus cabling.06:35
_michael_Adalwolf: so the thin clients actually need hard-drives?06:35
Burglaptoprobbies: as wel told you, we will not help you maliciously hack anything06:36
Burglaptop_michael_: no they don't06:36
Adalwolfno, but it was cheaper to leave them in than to have them removed.06:36
robbiesAdalwolf is about to go offline with an ath0++ attack06:37
robbiesdialup bitch06:37
robbiesim elite sir06:37
_michael_ok, that's what I thought... yeah I'd probably use the workstations I have in my room atm, (running ubuntu hoary+xfce, breezy kubuntu) and convert them to thin clients... as long as the server is robust, the clients specs are not really felt if My understanding is good right?06:37
Burglaptoprobbies: we have a code of conduct here, please respect it06:37
Adalwolf_michael_: True, but if your clients are strong enough, you can actually run some apps(LocalApps) on the clients, reducing the load on the server.06:39
_michael_only thing I'd need to do for the workstations is make sure they can boot via Lan... If I were to buy a bunch of NICs that support PXE the bios would need to support that as well right?  06:39
robbiesya06:39
robbiesobviously06:39
robbieshow else would you boot, magic?06:39
AdalwolfYou can also use network boot floppies and Cds.06:40
robbiesuu can prob upgrade ur bios tho06:40
_michael_so, I mean to ask, I can't throw a pxe nic in an older machine unless the bios supports boot from lan?06:40
robbiesas adalwolf said make a boot floppy for lan06:40
_michael_right Adalwolf, that makes sense... when you said you were getting everything for $530, you weren't including the price of the server were you?06:41
AdalwolfYes.06:41
AdalwolfThe Server is included.06:41
_michael_is this recycler local to you, so you're physically picking stuff up, or are you getting things shipped?06:42
AdalwolfWhere are yo in the world?06:42
_michael_southern CA06:42
AdalwolfRecycler here in town.06:42
_michael_Raid 5?06:42
_michael_Adalwolf: southern CA06:43
_michael_oops was scrolled back, thought you asked again06:43
AdalwolfI'm gonna run RAID 1+0....06:44
AdalwolfI'm just learning about RAID, I think I wrote that correct.06:44
_michael_Adalwolf: I'm rusty, what's that translate to? 06:44
_michael_how much space do you lose?  06:45
AdalwolfI'm gonna have a Mirrored set of two identical RAID 0s.06:45
_michael_ah got it06:45
AdalwolfI'll lose half, but it'll be dast.06:45
_michael_each an array of 4 hds?06:45
Adalwolfdast = fast.06:45
AdalwolfI believe so. And it'll be either 18 or 36 gig drives.06:46
Adalwolfhttp://www.hdg-llc.com/home   <---Website06:47
_michael_Allright Adalwolf thanks for the banter, it gets me thinking in good directions... I have to go right now... good luck to you... I'm sure to be back06:47
Adalwolfnp, glad to help.06:48
robbiesfckn fgt06:48
robbieswhy is there no chanop in here?06:50
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gregbenJust installed edubuntu 5.10. Video is 1280x1024 @76Hz but should be 60Hz because LCD. How to change?07:00
Burglaptopgregben: ask in #ubuntu as that part of edubuntu is the same as Ubuntu07:01
gregbenBurglaptop: THX. Bye.07:02
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : EDUBUNTU IS FOR DIRTY NIGGARS
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robbies!ops07:09
Burglaptoprobbies: there is no bot here07:09
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : EDUBUNTU IS AN INSECURE OPERATING SYSTEM! THIS TOPIC WAS HACKED!
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mustard5ah I see .. :)07:10
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mustard5no ops in the channel :)07:10
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kujaHey, that's fun. It's -t07:11
purplefeltangelthis is inappropriate for children? :S07:11
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : lol
kuja* Topic for #edubuntu is: EDUBUNTU IS FOR DIRTY NIGGARS07:11
robbiesit said07:11
robbiesEDUBUNTU IS FOR NIGGERS07:11
kujarobbies: And it was set by you.07:11
tritiumokay, don't even repeat that07:11
robbieslol07:11
kujaThere's only one person with op priviledges to this channel.07:11
robbiesDID SOMEBODY HACK UBUNTU OR SOMETHING07:11
kujaSomeone needs to set +t07:12
robbiesDID SOMEBODY HACK UBUNTU OR SOMETHING07:12
Burglaptopkuja: no, all that is needed is maturity07:12
wastrelrobbies:  the topic is not locked - anyone can change it07:12
purplefeltangelDID SOMEBODY HACK YOUR BRAIN OR SOMETHING07:12
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : GO AWAY NIGGERS!!!!11one!1one
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : lol topic war
mustard5hmmm07:12
mustard5who is the real troublemaker here?07:12
kujarobbies07:12
robbiesSOME KID JUST CAME AND LEFT OR SOMETHING07:13
robbiesAND HE HAD ME DOWNLOAD SOMETHING07:13
kujaLet me see if I can get lilo in here.07:13
robbiesAND NOW HE CONTROLS MY COMPUTER OR SOMETHING07:13
Burglaptopkuja, robbies: both of you quit it07:13
purplefeltangelkuja isn't doing anything wrong o_O07:13
kujaBurglaptop: What's up your ass? What did I do?07:13
robbiesHE SENT ME SOMETHING AND CONTROLS MY COMPUTER07:13
robbiesHE MADE ME CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ROOM OR SOMETHING07:13
mustard5robbies, well I guess your going to be banned then since thats the only solution :007:14
mustard5:)07:14
robbiesI GUESS07:14
robbiesIM GOING TO CALL THE POLICE07:14
wastrelwhat irc client are you using?07:14
robbiesI DONT KNOW07:14
robbiesSOMETHING CALLED MIRC07:14
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wastrelyes your mirc was probably hacked.07:14
purplefeltangelholy crap someone find an OP. -_-;07:15
robbiesI ACCEPTED SOMETHING CALLED A XDDC OR SOMETHING07:15
robbiesAND NOW HE CONTROLS MY COMPUTER07:15
kujaLet's keep it this way, until the channel is dropped by a staffer.07:15
kujaThen reregistered to someone sane.07:15
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mustard5robbies, well you should think twice before accepting something from someone you don't know07:15
robbiesIM GOING TO REGISTER THIS CHANNEL07:15
robbiesHE SAID IT WAS A PHOTO07:15
wastrelquux is the freenode ircop on call atm i believe07:15
purplefeltangeli'm pretty sure robbies is lying07:15
kujalilo isn't responding, meh.07:15
mustard5robbies, is your caps lock stuck on or something?07:15
kujaSomeone get an IRC op to drop this channel, if they can.07:16
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : THIS CHNNEL IS OWND BY KUJA!! PH33R M3H!!1
robbiesOMG HE DID IT AGAIN07:16
wastrelrobbies just quit irc.  type /quit 07:16
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robbiesI DONT WANT TO QUIT07:16
wastrelrobbies:  your mirc is hacked- uninstall & reinstall it 07:16
kujawastrel: He's screwing with you. Don't waste your time.07:16
wastrelkk07:16
purplefeltangelrobbies: your MIRC will be unhacked if you press alt+F4.07:16
robbiesOKAY HANG ON07:17
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robbiesARE YOU SURE U WANT TO EXIT MIRC07:17
purplefeltangelyes.07:17
robbiesYES OR NO07:17
mustard5yes you are :)07:17
robbiesI CLICKD NO ALREADY07:17
purplefeltangelsay yes this time.07:17
purplefeltangelit'll unhack your IRC.07:17
mustard5robbies the answer is to go fix your computer07:17
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mustard5robbies, you've downloaded something, so go fix it07:18
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : niggers smell bad
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] : d
kujaMust I bring an IRC bot in here to auto-set the topic? Geez, stop it.07:18
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : NIGGER!!
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:purplefeltangel] :
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : EDUBUNTU IS FOR DIIRTY NIGGER CHILDREN
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purplefeltangelhey quux. :)07:19
quuxHow did the topic get set?07:19
purplefeltangelit's -t07:19
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mustard5robbies, is claiming his IRC is hacked07:19
wastrelrobbies just set it - yeah chan is -t07:19
purplefeltangelit's obviously not07:19
robbiesUMM HE SENT ME SOMETHING07:19
robbiesKUJA SEND ME A PHOTO AND NOW SOMETHING HAPPENED07:19
mustard5yeah, but you you could just leave the channel robbies but you don't07:19
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kujaquux: We need a +t here.07:20
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quuxYeah. 07:20
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ithielwtf?07:20
purplefeltangelthat's what i'd like to know07:20
wastrelithiel:  we're workig on it. someone is being antisocial07:20
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ithiel] : Stop changing the topic, let's have some piece on quiet.
kujaquux: Also, we need to either drop the channel or hand over op priviledges to reliable #ubuntu members. Preferably the #ubuntu staff.07:20
ithielkuja, who is primary op of this channel?07:21
ithielget ahold of seveas or nalioth07:21
kujaThere is only one07:21
ithielwho?07:21
kujaThat is the problem.07:21
Burglaptopafaik, ogra, who is asleep right now07:21
ithielwait07:21
ithielnalioth is sleeping07:21
robon the 7th the CC is hopefully going to make me an op for these channels07:21
ithielleave him alone, get seveas07:21
kuja/msg chanserv access #edubuntu list07:21
robso once that happens, I'll be here also07:21
quux[02\28-22:21]  -ChanServ-      Channel: #edubuntu07:21
quux[02\28-22:21]  -ChanServ-      Contact: highvoltage, last seen: 2 weeks 6 days (16h 58m 53s) ago07:21
quux[02\28-22:21]  -ChanServ-    Alternate: JaneW, last seen: 23 hours 39 minutes 19 seconds ago07:21
tritiumnalioth and I only have ops in #ubuntu, not here07:22
quuxAnyone got a way of contacting these folks?07:22
kujaquux: That, is an issue.07:22
ithielinteresting07:22
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:rob] : Edubuntu - The educational version of Ubuntu!
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : THIS CHANNEL IS HACKD BY KUJA
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robhmm07:22
robbiesSTOP IT KUJA07:22
ithieltritium, does seveas have ops here/07:22
ithiel?07:22
robbiesIM GOING TO CALL POLICE07:22
Burglaptopithiel: no07:22
ithielrob/robbies, stop the nonsense07:22
tritiumno, ithiel 07:22
purplefeltangelrobbies: okay, call the police. :)07:22
robseems that bot doesn't like a null channel topic07:22
purplefeltangelithiel: rob is not the problem07:22
robithiel, robbies is not me07:22
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ithielpurple, rob/robbies keeps changing the topic07:23
ithielwhat IS the problem?07:23
kujalilo: I called. No answer in #ruby-lang earlier.07:23
robithiel, can you not read?07:23
lilowhat's up?07:23
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : THIS CHANNEL HAS BEEN HACKED BY KUJA
lilouhhh07:23
purplefeltangelEdubuntu - The educational version of Ubuntu!07:23
purplefeltangeloops07:23
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roblilo, a couple of bots doing that07:23
CuriousCatsomeone keeps changin the topic Channel07:23
wastrellilo  channel is mode -t  :] 07:23
Burglaptoplilo: can you lock the topic please07:23
kujalilo: As you can see.07:23
mustard5lilo, robbies is the problem :)07:23
liloah07:23
ithielI see.07:23
ithielso, ban him.07:24
liloI just got the page btw07:24
kujalilo: Also it would be preferable to see if you can add the #ubuntu access list to #edubuntu, cause there's only 1 with access I can see from the ChanServ list.07:24
quuxlilo, that was me07:24
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ithielkuja, the guy with op access I've never even seen before07:25
Kaiser_Awaygl with topic. bbl07:25
Burglaptopithiel: don't worry, highvoltage works for the shuttleworth foundation07:25
kujaWho is highvoltage? And what's the policy on dropping access?07:25
ithielI'm not "worried" just, disturbed at the lack of overwatch07:25
lilokuja: if you're a Ubuntu project, you should consult the Ubuntu folks and get the group contact to make the request07:25
lilokuja: we're happy to set it up07:25
ithielusually such problems are 'solved' much earlier than this07:25
Burglaptoplilo: if you could look the topic, for now. Ubuntu will deal with the op issue07:25
kujalilo: I'm not part of the Ubuntu staff or a member, but it seemed like the most logical decision.07:26
robbiesI NEED HELP WITH UBUNTU IM ONLY 1107:26
Burglaptopithiel: it has never been an issue07:26
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lilorobbies: please don't shout07:26
robbiesHOW DO I INSTALL THIS LINUX THING07:26
ithiela note of this incident has been made in #ubuntu-offtopic, it'll get dealt with, don't worry07:26
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ithielthank you lilo07:26
lilonp....it's worth noting that the problem may be exactly the way it looks, rather than the way we conclude it is07:26
ithielBurglaptop: first incident I see?07:26
liloi.e., robbies may be 11 years old, looking for support07:26
Burglaptopithiel: this is very incident we have every had in this channel07:26
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Burglaptoplilo: and robbies was not asking for support07:27
ithielfirst incident?07:27
purplefeltangellilo the topic had the N-word in it07:27
jsgotangcowhat's this?07:27
Burglaptopithiel: afaik07:27
kujalilo: I think the channel should be +t'ed until someone notifies you on taking over the channel.07:27
ithielrobbies definitely wasn't asking for support07:27
quuxBest all-around solution (imo) is to get highvoltage and/or JaneW in contact with the ubuntu GC07:27
jsgotangcoBurglaptop, situation?07:27
lilokuja: I'm actually overreaching by +q'ing the user, but I suspect it's not as big a problem as it looks07:27
Burglaptopjsgotangco: we had a small issue with the topic07:27
Burglaptopand an overeager 11 year old07:27
jsgotangcoBurglaptop, here?07:27
CuriousCatjsgotangco, been having trouble with someone who keeps changing the topic to something offensive07:27
purplefeltangellilo: he was changing it to things about dirty N--s.07:27
jsgotangcoahhh07:28
wastrellilo:  robbies was posting racist topics. because the topic isn't locked07:28
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kujalilo: Probably not, I don't even think this channel is the official edubuntu channel.07:28
Burglaptopkuja: it is07:28
purplefeltangelkuja: it is official.07:28
kujaSeeing as there's only 1 contact.07:28
jsgotangcokuja, it is07:28
kujaWhy the single contact?07:28
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Burglaptopkuja: highvoltage works for teh shuttleworth foundation07:28
lilowastrel: can you message me samples?07:28
quuxkuja, there is a contact and an alternate?07:28
Burglaptopbecause it has never been an issue07:28
jsgotangcokuja, because most of us are in -devl as well07:28
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mustard5wastrel, you got logs?07:28
jsgotangcoand this channel isn't really high-traffic07:28
wastrelmustard5:  yes a few lines07:28
liloquux: there's a single active contact for Ubuntu....but that's to simplify things....he's around pretty frequently07:29
mustard5wastrel, I can hunt through my logs if you like07:29
Burglaptoplilo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html07:29
ithielg'night all07:29
kujaMore staff should be granted oper priviledges to this channel, to address incidents that have just occurred.07:29
Burglaptopkuja: it will be dealt with07:29
quuxlilo, see pm07:29
jsgotangcowe never bothered it before07:29
wastrelmustard5:  i sent a few 07:29
kujajsgotangco: Just a in-this-sort-of-even thing =)07:30
Burglaptopjsgotangco: lets see about you and myself getting set as ops07:30
quuxah, I thought he was referring to contact for this channel07:30
kujaevent*07:30
jsgotangcoi don't mind07:30
jsgotangco:)07:30
mustard5wastrel, k..well I have logs if they are needed :)07:30
Burglaptopjsgotangco: between the two of us, we should be able to cover most of the timezones07:30
jsgotangcookay07:30
jsgotangcoBurglaptop, how about -meeting that isn't locked either07:31
Burglaptopjsgotangco: none of them are, for good reason07:31
jsgotangcoyeah07:31
kujaAnyhow, it's calm now.07:31
kujaSee you guys later.07:31
jsgotangcociao07:31
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tritiumBurglaptop: that would be better if you and jsgotangco had ops here, rather than adding us with access on #ubuntu07:32
Burglaptoptritium: I agree. I think cloning lists is a bad idea, as not a lot of people frequent both07:32
quuxOK, time for me to move along. 07:32
wastrelthanks for coming by07:32
lilocan you do me a favor?07:32
liloplease message me if robbies has more problems07:32
Burglaptopwhat you need?07:32
lilotry to be patient, and assume he's exactly what he says he is....if that's the case, he didn't set the topic himself, someone pulled an exploit07:33
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liloI believe I've covered that angle, so just let me know if there are more problems07:33
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Burglaptoplilo: it was an open topic and he was just young07:33
liloBurglaptop: if it happens again, you probably have a spoofing or problem user on your hands07:34
liloBurglaptop: I've +C'd him07:34
lilorobbies: you can talk again07:34
Burglaptopok07:34
wastrelit's still an open topic... :]   no way to set mode +t  ?07:34
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lilowastrel: that exceeds my authority07:34
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wastrelah well :]   07:34
lilowastrel: I'll do it if absolutely needed07:34
=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:wastrel] : Edubuntu - The educational version of Ubuntu!
wastrelsee if that sticks07:35
tritiumI need to get to bed.  Good night, all07:35
wastrelnight07:35
Burglaptopnight tritium07:35
lilonite tritium 07:35
tritium:)07:35
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:Burglaptop] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: 15 Feb at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
wastreljuicy07:37
robbieshow do i install this lINUX07:38
Burglaptoprobbies: as we explained, you download it and burn the cd07:38
robbiesis there like a linux.exe07:38
Burglaptoplinux is not a windows program07:38
Burglaptopit is a complete seperate OS07:38
robbieswill my dads stuff be ok if i install it07:38
Burglaptopno it won't be07:39
Burglaptopbut you try a live cd07:39
lilorobbies: it probably won't....you need his permission to install Linux07:39
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lilorobbies: but Burglaptop has pointed out a way to do it.... a live CD runs right off the CD, and it never removes your dad's Windows system07:39
robbieswhhere is the live cd07:39
Burglaptoprobbies: I would get your dad and go to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download07:39
Burglaptopthen you can download and try it together07:39
robbiesis that the live cd07:40
jsgotangcothere's a link for both live and install CDs07:40
robbiesok thanks07:41
robbieshow do i hack and stuff07:41
robbiescuz i heard u can do that with linux07:41
jsgotangcoyou can also do that with any operating system07:41
robbieshow07:41
jsgotangcoyou have to understand how software works and how to create one07:42
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Burglaptoprobbies: as we also explained, we will not help you with hacking into other peooples computers07:43
Burglaptopbut if you want to learn how to create computer programs, we can do that07:43
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wastrelpymol is a good program07:54
Burglaptopwastrel: what does it do?07:54
Burglaptopwastrel: and I don't think I have ever run into you before07:54
wastrelit's a molecular modelling program.07:54
Burglaptopjsgotangco: looks like Seveas is the person to talk to, as the Ubuntu <--> Freenode rep07:55
wastrelBurglaptop:  i showed up because of the fuss, typically hang out in #ubuntu07:55
Burglaptopah, welcome07:56
Burglaptopmy other me, Burgwork is also here07:56
jsgotangcoyeah Seveas is point of contact07:57
Burglaptopjsgotangco: I will speak with him tomorrow and I might raise the issue of ubuntu channels in general at the next CC meeting07:57
Burglaptopie, do we have enough ops in all of them07:57
Burglaptopany idea what level -1 is?07:58
AdalwolfThe GPG man page has 2035 lines!08:00
wastrelbash has 4818 :] 08:02
AdalwolfI was trying to figure out how to sign the ubuntu code of conduct......08:03
BurglaptopAdalwolf: LP will walk you through it08:03
AdalwolfI just opened a launchpad account.08:03
BurglaptopAdalwolf: on your page, click on "Codes of Conduct" on the righthand bar08:04
wastrelgood thing to do in a long man page is search down to the examples section.  /EXAMPLES<enter>08:04
AdalwolfDo I have to come up with a key?08:05
BurglaptopAdalwolf: click on the link "See or sign..."08:05
BurglaptopAdalwolf: download the CC and use gpg to sign it08:05
BurglaptopAdalwolf: click on the Ubuntu code of conduct 1.0 and then after you have signed it, click on "Sign this version" on teh right08:06
Burglaptoppaste the signed text into the box08:06
Burglaptopand make certain you tell LP what your GPG key is beforehand08:07
BurglaptopAdalwolf: do you already have a key?08:07
AdalwolfWhere do I get my GPG key?08:07
AdalwolfNo.08:07
Burglaptopyou create one08:07
Burglaptopinstall the gnupg package08:08
AdalwolfI have GPG.08:08
Adalwolfsecring created08:09
Adalwolfpubring created08:09
Adalwolf"Go ahead and type your message"08:09
BurglaptopAdalwolf: I think you use gpg -s NAMEOFTHEFILE08:12
AdalwolfAh! Duh! I'm a putz! "Edit OpenPGP Key"08:12
Adalwolfgpg --genk-ey08:13
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Burglaptoppurplefeltangel: please stop changing your nick08:29
purplefeltangelburglaptop: sorry08:29
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wastrelmmm i figured out something in pymol :] 08:53
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SeveasBurgwork, ping11:43
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Seveashighvoltage, mornin'12:27
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highvoltagemornin, Seveas 12:28
highvoltage(or afternoon, from this side, at least)12:29
Seveashighvoltage, could you add some more operators to this channels accesslist - there were some problems last night12:29
highvoltageSeveas: how do i add permanent operators? do you know?"12:29
SeveasI suggest you add ogra, janew, burgundavia and mhz with at least level 10 12:30
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highvoltageSeveas: what happened last night?12:35
Seveassome person kept messing with the topic12:35
Seveasnothing realy big, but it was annoying12:35
highvoltageok, i'm adding you too, just for contingency12:37
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ograhighvoltage, thanks for the op ... i dont think there is a need to be op'ed all the time ... lets keep it for emergency use12:49
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highvoltageogra: there's no danger in being ops, is there? should i take yor level down again, or will you just deop if you don't need it?12:51
ograno, the level is just fine 12:52
ograi just like to demonstrate that we dont abuse our power ...12:52
highvoltageogra: btw, is the cookbook uploaded somewhere? i'm interested to see the edubuntu modifications.12:52
highvoltageok.12:52
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ograhighvoltage, ask jelkner in the meeting 12:52
highvoltageok12:52
highvoltagei nearly forgot about the meeting, it's a public holiday in south africa today12:53
ograbtw: MEEP ! **************** Edubuntu Meeting in T-8 min in #ubuntu-meeting ********************12:53
ograyup, thats why jane isnt there today12:53
ograi think we can just quickly rush through the points, i have not much on the tec side today12:53
highvoltageogra: things going well your side, i suppose you have much more time to spend with gf/family/friends now than you did in this perios last release.12:55
highvoltages/perios/period12:55
ogranah, i have to spend more time on ubuntu stuff12:57
ogra:)12:57
ogranow that edubuntu is in shape :)12:58
highvoltageah, of course :)12:58
ograMEEP ! **************** Edubuntu Meeting starts now in #ubuntu-meeting ********************01:00
Seveasogra, spacey is going to try for Ubuntu member soon, can you vouch for his edubuntu work?01:00
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ograSeveas, absolutely01:00
Seveascool 01:00
Seveashe'll ask it himself too, I'm jsut doing some "preliminary research"01:00
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ograhe does awesome work, sure i'll vouch for him01:01
flint_It is early and cold in Vermont the morning...01:01
ograso lets move over to #ubuntu-meeting, i heated the channel :)01:01
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Kamping_Kaiserdoes edubuntu bulid an ltsp chroot on a workstation install (which i asume is the default install?)01:49
highvoltageogra: seen this? https://launchpad.net/bounties/eric.duveau01:49
ograworkstation is not the default 01:49
highvoltagedoes willow cover that?01:49
Kamping_Kaiserogra: ok.01:49
ograKamping_Kaiser, see the InstallNotes wikipage (topic)01:49
flint_highvoltage, damn, it is the old content filter come back to life!01:50
highvoltageflint_: lol!01:50
ograhighvoltage, yes, willow will cover parts of it i think01:50
Kamping_Kaiserthanks ogra. 01:51
ograi'd go even further, there is a firefox extension called bloxx 01:51
ograthat'd be cool to have for the workstation install 01:51
ogra(might also be blocks ... not sure)01:51
highvoltagespacey = \sh?01:52
ogranope01:52
flint_keep in mind he wants automatic.  01:52
ograflint_, thats why i said it covers *parts* 01:52
flint_ogra, i need the money, what does he want for this bounty?01:53
highvoltagei need to go for now, l8rs01:53
ograwillow will have an option to select if its transparent or nontransparent proxying on package install... and i wont make that part automated :)01:53
ograciao highvoltage 01:53
pips1highvoltage: cu01:53
flint_highvoltage, luck jonathan!01:54
Kamping_Kaiserlater highvoltage01:54
flint_ogra, you have a severe talent for punning, I would not have thought that of you.01:54
pips1flint_: you want to talk about schooltool? via mail?01:55
flint_ogra, my admiration grows daily...01:55
ograflint_, heh01:55
pips1flint_, ogra, you're both rather witty :-)01:55
flint_pips1, via email would be nice.  I am trying to do research on the schooltool project.  01:55
flint_pips1, right now i am trying to remember how tom told me to load sample data.  01:55
pips1flint_: research? huh?01:56
ograflint_, try to catch jinty in #ubuntu-devel (he's also here sometimes) he's one of the schooltool devs01:56
flint_pips1, the deal here is I am trying to build demo servers to deploy.01:56
pips1flint_: ah01:56
flint_ogra, yea, i know jinty and srichter and the whole gang...01:56
ograah, k01:57
flint_pips1, there is almost an institutional backlash.  the established computer ITA's are threatened by edubuntu and all it represents.  01:57
flint_pips1, to them it represents less budget and therefore less political power.01:58
Kamping_Kaiserflint_: ITA?01:58
flint_btw ITA == Information Technology Administators01:58
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, ITAs are our customers, most do not know it yet.01:59
Kamping_Kaiseri suppose in a way that's me o_001:59
flint_Kamping_Kaiser,  it is good to be the customer!  what school are you at (I am the marketeer the ITA is my chosen quary :^)02:00
Kamping_Kaiserflint_: i'm not part of any schools directly, but i work with some orgs with thin client networks, and some other groups I'm with are trying to get us (*buntu) into schools02:01
pips1flint_: who did you talk to regarding edubuntu/schooltool? what ITA's? in the U.S., I suppose?02:01
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, excellent then you are a fellow marketeer, and I welcome you to the hunt and suggest we join into a band.02:02
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flint_pips1, I have Tom Hoffman who is the author.02:02
pips1flint_: autor? huh?02:02
pips1author02:02
Kamping_Kaiserflint_: I'm not sure where you are, but I'm doing stuff in aus, and thers probably several groups we could tap into (if they havent been already)02:03
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, Hunter - gatherers traditionally gather together to hunt larger quary...02:03
flint_pips1, author indeed.02:03
Kamping_Kaiserflint_: yes :)02:03
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flint_Kamping_Kaiser, I am a political refugee from DC currently hiding in Montpelier, Vermont.02:03
Kamping_Kaiserflint_: i take 'your a yank' out of that statement (yank isnt derogatory btw)02:04
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, there is big game in Australia eh?02:04
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, no more than say "person of Irish descent" is in Australia :^)02:04
pips1flint_: I'm can't quite follow what your saying regarding the backlash and I don't understand what you mean by "Tom Hoffman is the author"02:04
Kamping_Kaiserflint_: it's a tough nut to crack one of the states in aus recently had a  state goventment leader say 'there will only be ms in schools'02:05
flint_pips1, I am easily confused, and make this up by being confusing.  I thought that Tom Hoffman was working full time on schooltool.  I could be wrong.02:05
Kamping_Kaiserbrb02:05
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, 'there will only be ms in schools' that's what I call big game!02:06
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, go find the guy running for his seat.  he is your friend.02:06
pips1flint_: I think Tom is working extensively on the st project, but I wouldn't know his salary/time agreement ;-)02:07
pips1flint_: but what is that percieved 'backlash' you mentioned?02:07
flint_pips1, neither do I.  I just whine and bitch to Tom and he comes through for me more often than not.02:07
Kamping_Kaiserflint_: i will put you in touch with people over in vic. if you want. (if you don't know them already), they know about their situation better then me02:08
flint_pips1, you see the 'there will only be ms in schools' story everywhere.  teachers are a conservative lot.  what they have works for them.  they hate change.02:08
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, victoria bc?02:09
pips1flint_: yep02:09
Kamping_Kaiserflint_: that's a bit harsh - it's kinda forced on them02:09
Kamping_Kaiservictoria in Australia, i dunno what yu have over there ;002:09
pips1flint_: you need to make a better "value proposal", otherwise they won't change02:09
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, we are hunters here, not teachers. 02:09
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, Victoria Australia would be your side of the game preserve...02:10
Kamping_Kaiserthta it be. doesnt mean we cant help each other ;)02:10
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, about change, that is the whole issue.  I do not mean to be harsh, but there is a lot of "circling of the wagons" in the educational area.02:11
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, that is why i was so happy to announce a good test of Crossover 5.0.1 on Edubuntu BB.  you can have your cake and eat it too!02:11
pips1flint_: I'm still curious to why to come to those conclusions...! Tell us, who is your source! ;-)02:12
flint_Kamping_Kaiser, Edubuntu is cheap and easy to manage a classfull of.  if  you do not have to change your curriculum and can continue to teach msword, we are in the classroom.02:12
pips1arg, ... why *you* come to those conclusions ...02:13
Kamping_Kaiseri have to say i think teaming up with ingots wouldnt hurt us02:13
Kamping_Kaiserrather then teach mso :)02:13
flint_I was a member of the Arllington Virginia School System Technology Planning Comittee for 10 years... 02:13
pips1That must have been fun! :-)02:14
flint_pips1, thus I am going with bitter experience as my credential here.  I also helped install the Edubuntu systems at Mr. Ranier Md, Yorktown HS, Arlington, and TWSC Alexandria.  all of which now rock.02:14
pips1nice02:15
flint_pips1, it is like getting you finger nails pulled out by dogs...02:15
Kamping_Kaisergood ;)02:15
flint_ogra, the crossover thing creates an interesting licensing issue....02:16
flint_ogra, also ollie and jonathan, what would happen if you tried crossover on a ppc platform?  any idea? guess?02:16
flint_anyway, i gotta break.  will be back.02:17
Kamping_Kaiserok. later mate02:18
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra_] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 08 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/
ogra_juliux, ping02:39
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Kamping_Kaiserif i dist-upgrade does that count as flight 4?03:03
ogranot really03:07
ograflight 4 is a week old 03:07
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ograso dist-upgrade gives you something newer than flight 403:10
Kamping_Kaiserok03:12
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juliuxogra, pong04:08
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jsgotangcodid i miss anything exciting in our meeting?04:28
jsgotangco=)04:28
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spaceyhow can you use codeblocks in the wiki?05:30
ogralook at a wikipage that already does it ?05:31
spaceygood one :P05:31
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shannaraDumb question05:45
shannaraogra: I have a dumb security question05:46
lucasvo_ask the question, don't ask to ask05:47
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shannaraWhen I set up k12ltsp the /home directories were secure from each other. Is there a way to improve the security so the ltsp users have access to only what is neccesary?05:50
shannaraOn Edubuntu of course05:50
juliuxogra, ?05:55
AdalwolfShannara:  checkout https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet05:57
shannarathank. Is teachers pet part of flight4?06:05
AdalwolfNot Sure. I know that it's still an early version.06:10
shannaraSounds perfect. I'll give it a shot. Thanks06:11
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ograshannara, teachers pet is called student-control-panel in dapper ... teachers pet is just the spec06:43
ograshannara, have a look at /etc/profile if you want to change systemwide permissons ...06:44
juliuxogra, there is a breezy edubuntu dvd right?06:53
ograyup06:54
juliuxthanks06:54
juliuxogra, do you knwo a faster server than cdimage.ubuntu.com for the dvd?07:02
ogranope07:02
ograyou can try the swedish mirror, but i doubt it will be much faster07:02
BurgworkSeveas, thanks for that07:08
SeveasBurgwork, thank highvoltage 07:09
Burgworkif I have Burgwork linked to Burgundavia, will I be able to op with Burgwork?07:09
Seveasyes07:10
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Burgworknow how do I unop?07:11
Seveas /deop Burgwork 07:11
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Seveasor /msg chanserv op #edubuntu -burgwork07:11
Burgworkah, ok07:11
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moonbeamhello07:39
moonbeamanyone know what apps in edubuntu are dependent on postgresql?  My daughter's computer is crap and I'm trying to lighten the load on it.07:40
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Burgworkmoonbeam, I think postgres is only for moodle and schooltool07:41
moonbeamgood.  thanks.  I can kill it then :-)07:41
Burgworkmoonbeam, what kind of install did you do?07:42
ograits there only for moodle preparation07:42
moonbeamworkstation07:42
moonbeamor whatever you call the one that isn't server.07:42
ograthere cant be postgres installed07:42
ograits not in the package selection of the workstation install07:42
ogramoonbeam, did you read the install notes from the channel topic ?07:43
moonbeamI could have made a mistake.  07:43
ograif you have postgres installed you likely made a default (classroom server) install ...07:44
moonbeamI read installation notes when I installed a couple days ago.  I definitely know not to choose server.  07:44
moonbeamdoesn't mean I didn't choose it anyway.07:44
ogradefault is a server install ...07:44
ograyou need to explicitly type "workstation" at the cd prompt07:44
moonbeamI can strip it down easily enough.  just wanted  to make sure I wasn't going to nuke anything if I canned postgresql.  it's easy to fix things up on this computer than to reinstall from scratch.07:45
moonbeamthanks for the info.07:45
ograwipe the ltsp stuff, it takes a lot of space07:46
ograi.e. sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 07:46
moonbeamthanks.  Will do.  my daughter is enjoying it.  Save me the trouble of trying to get gcompris installed a fedora core 3 system.  That was a nightmare.07:47
ograheh07:48
ogra:)07:48
Burgworkmoonbeam, FC4 is a lost cause, we are trying at work07:49
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moonbeammy wife and I are using fc3.  The installs are still stable - though I had to clean up a messing after attempting to get gcompris installed on one of them.07:50
moonbeambut edubuntu I think is going to work well for my daughter.  It's a much appreciated distribution07:50
moonbeambut.... gotta go - wife has called for a taxi ride.07:50
moonbeamthanks07:50
ogra:) great to hear that07:50
ograbye07:50
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javiolohi what apps are available to kids from 3 to 6 ?09:36
Burgworkjaviolo, the gcompris suite is great for that ages09:37
javiolobut looks limited09:37
javioloI mean theres not too much apps09:38
Burgworksome of kde edu stuff is good (any app starting with K)09:38
javiolowhat do you recommend me install edubuntu or skolelinux ?09:38
BurgworkI have never used skole, so I cannot say anthing either way09:38
Burgworkskole is older09:39
javiolowell the system needs to be used by kids of that age09:39
javiolocan I restrict everything ?09:40
javioloI mean they dont have to use openoffice and most of the apps...09:40
Burgworkthe menu system is currently just the gnome one, which is not great for kids09:41
BurgworkI would create a login for them, then use the menu editor to hide all the applications you don't want them to see/use09:42
javiolook09:42
javioloI want a very simple desktop09:42
javioloone thing edubuntu is available to mac ppc ?09:43
Burgworkin the version of Edubuntu do to be released in April there will also be a tool called pesslus, where you can lockdown the panel09:43
Burgworkand other bits of the desktop09:43
javioloBurgwork but now is possible ?09:43
Burgworkyou can hide the menu items currently09:43
Burgworkthere is no stable version of Edubuntu that runs on PPC09:44
javioloouch09:44
javiolobig problem09:44
javiolocos most of the computers are old imacs 09:45
javioloonly a few pcs09:45
Burgworkthe next version of Edubuntu is due to be released on April 20th09:45
javiolook09:45
BurgworkI think that you should be able to use ppc thin clients with a i386 server with the new version09:47
BurgworkI haven't actually tried that09:47
BurgworkI would try the Flight 4, just yourself, to see how it works09:47
javioloburgwork flight 4 ?10:00
Burgworkjaviolo, the currently alpha of Edubuntu 6.0410:01
javioloBurgwork how can I do that ?10:09
Burgworkjaviolo, download the cd from the place listed in the topic10:09
Burgworkgrab an old machine and test it on there10:09
javioloits downloading10:09
javiolowell I mean use it on mac ppc as thin client 10:10
Burgworkyes10:10
Burgworkbut I have no idea how to do that10:10
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javiolodo you recommend dapper or breezy ?10:12
wastreldapper is not stable yet.10:12
wastrelbreezy is the current stable version10:12
Burgworkdapper for testing and seeing if you like it, breezy if you are putting it in front of people10:13
javiolook10:14
javiolonow Im on breezy10:14
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shannaraHELP_, I have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen.10:32
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shannaraogra: help10:40
shannaraanyone?10:46
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shannaraHas everyone left for the day?10:53
jouni__mstill awake here.10:56
shannaraI have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen10:58
jouni__msorry, can't help.11:01
shannaraFrom what I can tell it seems to be an issue with the server accepting the login because it fails from ctrl-alt-f1 also.11:02
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liloI'm heading out....if you folks need anything, just let us know11:19
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shannaracan anyone help me11:22
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shannaraogra: i have an ltsp client login issue11:40
shannarabueller11:55
juliuxshannara, what is your problem?11:57
shannaraI have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen. From what I can tell it seems to be an issue with the server accepting the login because it fails from ctrl-alt-f1 also.12:00
juliuxyou can try to run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys  on the server12:03
juliuxand the reboot the thinclient12:03

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