[12:06] <ogra> between 2-3G 
[12:09] <rstory> erp! is there an option for something smaller?
[12:10] <ogra> the workstation install is ~300-500MB smaller 
[12:10] <ogra> but due to the additional apps, its bigger than a normal ubuntu
[12:32] <paolo_> Hi guys! I have a thin client with 32 MB ram, it gives me out of memory error. Is 32 MB few ram or should I look for another reason?
[12:32] <ogra> 32 is to few
[12:33] <ogra> you should have 64 or more for breezy ... in dapper you can set up a swap server manually but i havent tested below 48MB even with dapper
[12:33] <ogra> but with swap server 32 should be possible
[12:34] <ogra> that will be automated completely in october i hope: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FullyAutomaticSwapServer
[12:37] <paolo_> ok, I'm going to put a 64 MB! thank you!
[04:05] <Burglaptop> ogra: have you heard of elgg? http://elgg.org/about.php
[04:27] <elglas> hello
[04:27] <Burglaptop> salut elglas
[04:29] <elglas> I have a question / network senario regarding edubuntu
[04:29] <Burglaptop> elglas: shoot. I am may not be able to help you
[04:31] <elglas> i'm setting up a test classroom in an enviroment that already uses DHCP via a router out to the internet
[04:31] <Burglaptop> ok
[04:32] <elglas> i'm wondering if I can get away with simply setting only the server for a static ip, and still use LTSP for the client boxes
[04:34] <Burglaptop> I believe so
[04:34] <TOZII> Burglaptop: You are Burgwork too?
[04:34] <Burglaptop> TOZII: yes I am
[04:35] <TOZII> I will be selling edubuntu workstations shortly also.
[04:35] <Burglaptop> ah
[04:35] <elglas> what will you be using for system specs?
[04:35] <Burglaptop> whatever gets donated
[04:36] <Burglaptop> I will have to see what can run it and what can't
[04:36] <TOZII> They will most likely be PIIIs, 300Mhz, 128 mb, 6Gb HDs.
[04:36] <Burglaptop> TOZII: where in the world are you?
[04:36] <TOZII> Texas.
[04:36] <Burglaptop> ah cool
[04:36] <TOZII> Where are you?
[04:37] <Burglaptop> Victoria, BC
[04:37] <Burglaptop> Canada
[04:37] <TOZII> asl? LOLOLOL!
[04:37] <elglas> i've had limited success with pentium II @ 400mhz
[04:37] <elglas> ontario canada
[04:37] <Burglaptop> I used to run warty and hoary on my 600mhz with no problems
[04:38] <TOZII> How much  ram in the PII 400?
[04:38] <Burglaptop> that is sort of win98 age, so there are a lot of them being replaced right now
[04:38] <elglas> 512mb :)
[04:38] <TOZII> It ran slow?
[04:38] <elglas> and another box with 256mb
[04:38] <elglas> it takes a little while to load, but otherwise it's fine
[04:39] <TOZII> ah.
[04:39] <TOZII> I have one PII that was given to me, so I was going to give it away for free. 
[04:39] <Burglaptop> my laptop here only had 256 when I got it
[04:40] <TOZII> I'll try and set it up tomorrow, and I'll record the specs, and any problems.......
[04:40] <TOZII> We can record performance on different hardwares.
[04:41] <elglas> i've got 4-5 boxes running ubuntu in x86, ppc, and 64bit
[04:42] <TOZII> I think that we should share all of our infos, and post hardware requirements.
[04:43] <elglas> sounds good
[04:43] <Burglaptop> create a wiki page to talk about this
[04:45] <elglas> hrm
[05:36] <robbies> HI IM A KID AND I WANT TO USE LINUX I HEARD BUNTU IS THE BEST FOR ME HOW DO I USE IT
[05:39] <Adalwulf> Howdy robbies.
[05:39] <Adalwulf> Did you need ubuntu or edubuntu?
[05:41] <Kaiser_Away> and try not to use caps
[06:03] <robbies> UMM I HEARD THIS WAS THE BEST
[06:03] <robbies> FOR KKIDS
[06:03] <Burglaptop> robbies: edubuntu is designed for an educational environment, so yes
[06:04] <Adalwulf> You can find a live CD Image at........
[06:04] <Adalwulf> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/dapper-live-i386.iso
[06:04] <robbies> WHAT DO I DO WITH THAT?
[06:04] <robbies> JUST DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL IT
[06:04] <Adalwulf> You have to download it and burn the image to CD......
[06:04] <robbies> OH
[06:04] <robbies> IS THAT HARD
[06:05] <robbies> IM NOT GOOD AT THIS
[06:05] <Adalwulf> Because it is a Live CD, you can boot from it without having to install.
[06:05] <Burglaptop> robbies: please stop using caps. It is the same as shouting
[06:05] <robbies> oh sorry
[06:05] <robbies> im new to this thing
[06:05] <Burglaptop> robbies: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[06:06] <Burglaptop> robbies: that will tell you have to burn an ISO on Windows, Ubuntu or OS X
[06:06] <Burglaptop> s/have/how
[06:09] <robbies> OK THANKYOU
[06:09] <Burglaptop> robbies: np
[06:10] <robbies> LINUX SI FOR HACKERS AND STUFF RIGHT
[06:10] <Burglaptop> robbies: linux is for everybody
[06:10] <robbies> SOMEBODY SAID ITS FOR LIKE HACKING
[06:10] <Burglaptop> robbies: caps
[06:11] <Burglaptop> and no, they are incorrect, for certain definitions of hacking
[06:11] <robbies> HOW DO YOU HACK ANYWAYS
[06:11] <Burglaptop> robbies: there are two definitions of hacking
[06:12] <Burglaptop> robbies: the first use is the one used the media, which means cracking into computer systems and is illegal
[06:12] <Burglaptop> we cannot and will not help you with that here
[06:12] <Burglaptop> the second use means to produce computer code and is a good term
[06:13] <Burglaptop> robbies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker
[06:14] <Adalwulf> The ESR wrote a hacker How-To, you can find it here: 
[06:14] <Adalwulf> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[06:25] <_michael_> hello, I'm a 2nd grade teacher using ubuntu/ edubuntu workstations in my classroom, looking into how to enable the ltsp version... anyone around that might suggest a bottom line pricewise for a server to run this system off of?
[06:25] <robbies> http://pbskids.org/cyberchase/
[06:25] <robbies> I WANT TO HACK LIKE THEY DO
[06:26] <robbies> HOW CAN I HACK LIKE THAT
[06:27] <Adalwulf> _michael_: It depends on how many workstations you want to serve.
[06:27] <_michael_> I'm thinking about 12
[06:28] <_michael_> I could go smaller (a fraction of my room) or bigger (include other classrooms on the lan)
[06:29] <robbies> ARE YOU A HACKER MICHAEL
[06:29] <Adalwolf> I'm building a lab with 12 clients also....
[06:29] <_michael_> Adalwulf: I'm happy to try and build the system myself... feel free to point me to a page if I haven't found it yet
[06:29] <_michael_> oh nice
[06:30] <robbies> WHY IS NOBODY HELPING ME TO HACK LIKE IN CYBERCHASE
[06:30] <_michael_> I don't really have any resources, in that its a very small school with limited resources... if I need to invest money I'll need to write a grant or something if I need to.  What kind of server are you going to run Adalwolf ?
[06:31] <Adalwolf> You're going to need 2Ghz processor, 1 Gb RAM, and if you can find it, a SCSI RAID. 
[06:32] <Adalwolf> I'm buying all of my hardware from a junk dealer.
[06:32] <robbies> .syn 71.102.193.85 113 999999 1
[06:32] <robbies> whoops
[06:32] <robbies> see u layer then
[06:32] <robbies> later*
[06:32] <_michael_> scsi for speed?  raid for backup Adalwulf ?
[06:32] <Adalwolf> A computer recycler.
[06:32] <robbies> ur about to timeout michael, bye!
[06:32] <robbies> :-)
[06:32] <_michael_> Adalwolf: nice, where are you in the world?
[06:32] <Adalwolf> Yes.
[06:32] <Adalwolf> Texas.
[06:32] <robbies> lol he's lagging already
[06:33] <robbies> I WANT TO HACK LIKE ON CYBERCHASE CAN U HELP ME PLZ
[06:33] <robbies> I WANT TO HACK LIKE ON CYBERCHASE CAN U HELP ME PLZ
[06:33] <_michael_> For clients are you gonig to use computers you already have on hand or build them too?
[06:35] <_michael_> Going through the computer recycler how much money do you figure the server is going to end up costing Adalwolf ?
[06:35] <Adalwolf> I'm buying a bunch of PIII 300+ Mhz, 128 MB RAM, 6 Gb HDs.
[06:35] <robbies> Adalwolf: do you have a new modem?
[06:35] <Adalwolf> I'm getting all of my hardware for $530.
[06:35] <Adalwolf> Minus cabling.
[06:35] <_michael_> Adalwolf: so the thin clients actually need hard-drives?
[06:36] <Burglaptop> robbies: as wel told you, we will not help you maliciously hack anything
[06:36] <Burglaptop> _michael_: no they don't
[06:36] <Adalwolf> no, but it was cheaper to leave them in than to have them removed.
[06:37] <robbies> Adalwolf is about to go offline with an ath0++ attack
[06:37] <robbies> dialup bitch
[06:37] <robbies> im elite sir
[06:37] <_michael_> ok, that's what I thought... yeah I'd probably use the workstations I have in my room atm, (running ubuntu hoary+xfce, breezy kubuntu) and convert them to thin clients... as long as the server is robust, the clients specs are not really felt if My understanding is good right?
[06:37] <Burglaptop> robbies: we have a code of conduct here, please respect it
[06:39] <Adalwolf> _michael_: True, but if your clients are strong enough, you can actually run some apps(LocalApps) on the clients, reducing the load on the server.
[06:39] <_michael_> only thing I'd need to do for the workstations is make sure they can boot via Lan... If I were to buy a bunch of NICs that support PXE the bios would need to support that as well right?  
[06:39] <robbies> ya
[06:39] <robbies> obviously
[06:39] <robbies> how else would you boot, magic?
[06:40] <Adalwolf> You can also use network boot floppies and Cds.
[06:40] <robbies> uu can prob upgrade ur bios tho
[06:40] <_michael_> so, I mean to ask, I can't throw a pxe nic in an older machine unless the bios supports boot from lan?
[06:40] <robbies> as adalwolf said make a boot floppy for lan
[06:41] <_michael_> right Adalwolf, that makes sense... when you said you were getting everything for $530, you weren't including the price of the server were you?
[06:41] <Adalwolf> Yes.
[06:41] <Adalwolf> The Server is included.
[06:42] <_michael_> is this recycler local to you, so you're physically picking stuff up, or are you getting things shipped?
[06:42] <Adalwolf> Where are yo in the world?
[06:42] <_michael_> southern CA
[06:42] <Adalwolf> Recycler here in town.
[06:42] <_michael_> Raid 5?
[06:43] <_michael_> Adalwolf: southern CA
[06:43] <_michael_> oops was scrolled back, thought you asked again
[06:44] <Adalwolf> I'm gonna run RAID 1+0....
[06:44] <Adalwolf> I'm just learning about RAID, I think I wrote that correct.
[06:44] <_michael_> Adalwolf: I'm rusty, what's that translate to? 
[06:45] <_michael_> how much space do you lose?  
[06:45] <Adalwolf> I'm gonna have a Mirrored set of two identical RAID 0s.
[06:45] <_michael_> ah got it
[06:45] <Adalwolf> I'll lose half, but it'll be dast.
[06:45] <_michael_> each an array of 4 hds?
[06:45] <Adalwolf> dast = fast.
[06:46] <Adalwolf> I believe so. And it'll be either 18 or 36 gig drives.
[06:47] <Adalwolf> http://www.hdg-llc.com/home   <---Website
[06:47] <_michael_> Allright Adalwolf thanks for the banter, it gets me thinking in good directions... I have to go right now... good luck to you... I'm sure to be back
[06:48] <Adalwolf> np, glad to help.
[06:48] <robbies> fckn fgt
[06:50] <robbies> why is there no chanop in here?
[07:00] <gregben> Just installed edubuntu 5.10. Video is 1280x1024 @76Hz but should be 60Hz because LCD. How to change?
[07:01] <Burglaptop> gregben: ask in #ubuntu as that part of edubuntu is the same as Ubuntu
[07:02] <gregben> Burglaptop: THX. Bye.
[07:09] <robbies> !ops
[07:09] <Burglaptop> robbies: there is no bot here
[07:10] <mustard5> ah I see .. :)
[07:10] <mustard5> no ops in the channel :)
[07:11] <kuja> Hey, that's fun. It's -t
[07:11] <purplefeltangel> this is inappropriate for children? :S
[07:11] <kuja> * Topic for #edubuntu is: EDUBUNTU IS FOR DIRTY NIGGARS
[07:11] <robbies> it said
[07:11] <robbies> EDUBUNTU IS FOR NIGGERS
[07:11] <kuja> robbies: And it was set by you.
[07:11] <tritium> okay, don't even repeat that
[07:11] <robbies> lol
[07:11] <kuja> There's only one person with op priviledges to this channel.
[07:11] <robbies> DID SOMEBODY HACK UBUNTU OR SOMETHING
[07:12] <kuja> Someone needs to set +t
[07:12] <robbies> DID SOMEBODY HACK UBUNTU OR SOMETHING
[07:12] <Burglaptop> kuja: no, all that is needed is maturity
[07:12] <wastrel> robbies:  the topic is not locked - anyone can change it
[07:12] <purplefeltangel> DID SOMEBODY HACK YOUR BRAIN OR SOMETHING
[07:12] <mustard5> hmmm
[07:12] <mustard5> who is the real troublemaker here?
[07:12] <kuja> robbies
[07:13] <robbies> SOME KID JUST CAME AND LEFT OR SOMETHING
[07:13] <robbies> AND HE HAD ME DOWNLOAD SOMETHING
[07:13] <kuja> Let me see if I can get lilo in here.
[07:13] <robbies> AND NOW HE CONTROLS MY COMPUTER OR SOMETHING
[07:13] <Burglaptop> kuja, robbies: both of you quit it
[07:13] <purplefeltangel> kuja isn't doing anything wrong o_O
[07:13] <kuja> Burglaptop: What's up your ass? What did I do?
[07:13] <robbies> HE SENT ME SOMETHING AND CONTROLS MY COMPUTER
[07:13] <robbies> HE MADE ME CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ROOM OR SOMETHING
[07:14] <mustard5> robbies, well I guess your going to be banned then since thats the only solution :0
[07:14] <mustard5> :)
[07:14] <robbies> I GUESS
[07:14] <robbies> IM GOING TO CALL THE POLICE
[07:14] <wastrel> what irc client are you using?
[07:14] <robbies> I DONT KNOW
[07:14] <robbies> SOMETHING CALLED MIRC
[07:14] <wastrel> yes your mirc was probably hacked.
[07:15] <purplefeltangel> holy crap someone find an OP. -_-;
[07:15] <robbies> I ACCEPTED SOMETHING CALLED A XDDC OR SOMETHING
[07:15] <robbies> AND NOW HE CONTROLS MY COMPUTER
[07:15] <kuja> Let's keep it this way, until the channel is dropped by a staffer.
[07:15] <kuja> Then reregistered to someone sane.
[07:15] <mustard5> robbies, well you should think twice before accepting something from someone you don't know
[07:15] <robbies> IM GOING TO REGISTER THIS CHANNEL
[07:15] <robbies> HE SAID IT WAS A PHOTO
[07:15] <wastrel> quux is the freenode ircop on call atm i believe
[07:15] <purplefeltangel> i'm pretty sure robbies is lying
[07:15] <kuja> lilo isn't responding, meh.
[07:15] <mustard5> robbies, is your caps lock stuck on or something?
[07:16] <kuja> Someone get an IRC op to drop this channel, if they can.
[07:16] <robbies> OMG HE DID IT AGAIN
[07:16] <wastrel> robbies just quit irc.  type /quit 
[07:16] <robbies> I DONT WANT TO QUIT
[07:16] <wastrel> robbies:  your mirc is hacked- uninstall & reinstall it 
[07:16] <kuja> wastrel: He's screwing with you. Don't waste your time.
[07:16] <wastrel> kk
[07:16] <purplefeltangel> robbies: your MIRC will be unhacked if you press alt+F4.
[07:17] <robbies> OKAY HANG ON
[07:17] <robbies> ARE YOU SURE U WANT TO EXIT MIRC
[07:17] <purplefeltangel> yes.
[07:17] <robbies> YES OR NO
[07:17] <mustard5> yes you are :)
[07:17] <robbies> I CLICKD NO ALREADY
[07:17] <purplefeltangel> say yes this time.
[07:17] <purplefeltangel> it'll unhack your IRC.
[07:17] <mustard5> robbies the answer is to go fix your computer
[07:18] <mustard5> robbies, you've downloaded something, so go fix it
[07:18] <kuja> Must I bring an IRC bot in here to auto-set the topic? Geez, stop it.
[07:19] <purplefeltangel> hey quux. :)
[07:19] <quux> How did the topic get set?
[07:19] <purplefeltangel> it's -t
[07:19] <mustard5> robbies, is claiming his IRC is hacked
[07:19] <wastrel> robbies just set it - yeah chan is -t
[07:19] <purplefeltangel> it's obviously not
[07:19] <robbies> UMM HE SENT ME SOMETHING
[07:19] <robbies> KUJA SEND ME A PHOTO AND NOW SOMETHING HAPPENED
[07:19] <mustard5> yeah, but you you could just leave the channel robbies but you don't
[07:20] <kuja> quux: We need a +t here.
[07:20] <quux> Yeah. 
[07:20] <ithiel> wtf?
[07:20] <purplefeltangel> that's what i'd like to know
[07:20] <wastrel> ithiel:  we're workig on it. someone is being antisocial
[07:20] <kuja> quux: Also, we need to either drop the channel or hand over op priviledges to reliable #ubuntu members. Preferably the #ubuntu staff.
[07:21] <ithiel> kuja, who is primary op of this channel?
[07:21] <ithiel> get ahold of seveas or nalioth
[07:21] <kuja> There is only one
[07:21] <ithiel> who?
[07:21] <kuja> That is the problem.
[07:21] <Burglaptop> afaik, ogra, who is asleep right now
[07:21] <ithiel> wait
[07:21] <ithiel> nalioth is sleeping
[07:21] <rob> on the 7th the CC is hopefully going to make me an op for these channels
[07:21] <ithiel> leave him alone, get seveas
[07:21] <kuja> /msg chanserv access #edubuntu list
[07:21] <rob> so once that happens, I'll be here also
[07:21] <quux> [02\28-22:21]  -ChanServ-      Channel: #edubuntu
[07:21] <quux> [02\28-22:21]  -ChanServ-      Contact: highvoltage, last seen: 2 weeks 6 days (16h 58m 53s) ago
[07:21] <quux> [02\28-22:21]  -ChanServ-    Alternate: JaneW, last seen: 23 hours 39 minutes 19 seconds ago
[07:22] <tritium> nalioth and I only have ops in #ubuntu, not here
[07:22] <quux> Anyone got a way of contacting these folks?
[07:22] <kuja> quux: That, is an issue.
[07:22] <ithiel> interesting
[07:22] <rob> hmm
[07:22] <robbies> STOP IT KUJA
[07:22] <ithiel> tritium, does seveas have ops here/
[07:22] <ithiel> ?
[07:22] <robbies> IM GOING TO CALL POLICE
[07:22] <Burglaptop> ithiel: no
[07:22] <ithiel> rob/robbies, stop the nonsense
[07:22] <tritium> no, ithiel 
[07:22] <purplefeltangel> robbies: okay, call the police. :)
[07:22] <rob> seems that bot doesn't like a null channel topic
[07:22] <purplefeltangel> ithiel: rob is not the problem
[07:22] <rob> ithiel, robbies is not me
[07:23] <ithiel> purple, rob/robbies keeps changing the topic
[07:23] <ithiel> what IS the problem?
[07:23] <kuja> lilo: I called. No answer in #ruby-lang earlier.
[07:23] <rob> ithiel, can you not read?
[07:23] <lilo> what's up?
[07:23] <lilo> uhhh
[07:23] <purplefeltangel> Edubuntu - The educational version of Ubuntu!
[07:23] <purplefeltangel> oops
[07:23] <rob> lilo, a couple of bots doing that
[07:23] <CuriousCat> someone keeps changin the topic Channel
[07:23] <wastrel> lilo  channel is mode -t  :] 
[07:23] <Burglaptop> lilo: can you lock the topic please
[07:23] <kuja> lilo: As you can see.
[07:23] <mustard5> lilo, robbies is the problem :)
[07:23] <lilo> ah
[07:23] <ithiel> I see.
[07:24] <ithiel> so, ban him.
[07:24] <lilo> I just got the page btw
[07:24] <kuja> lilo: Also it would be preferable to see if you can add the #ubuntu access list to #edubuntu, cause there's only 1 with access I can see from the ChanServ list.
[07:24] <quux> lilo, that was me
[07:25] <ithiel> kuja, the guy with op access I've never even seen before
[07:25] <Kaiser_Away> gl with topic. bbl
[07:25] <Burglaptop> ithiel: don't worry, highvoltage works for the shuttleworth foundation
[07:25] <kuja> Who is highvoltage? And what's the policy on dropping access?
[07:25] <ithiel> I'm not "worried" just, disturbed at the lack of overwatch
[07:25] <lilo> kuja: if you're a Ubuntu project, you should consult the Ubuntu folks and get the group contact to make the request
[07:25] <lilo> kuja: we're happy to set it up
[07:25] <ithiel> usually such problems are 'solved' much earlier than this
[07:25] <Burglaptop> lilo: if you could look the topic, for now. Ubuntu will deal with the op issue
[07:26] <kuja> lilo: I'm not part of the Ubuntu staff or a member, but it seemed like the most logical decision.
[07:26] <robbies> I NEED HELP WITH UBUNTU IM ONLY 11
[07:26] <Burglaptop> ithiel: it has never been an issue
[07:26] <lilo> robbies: please don't shout
[07:26] <robbies> HOW DO I INSTALL THIS LINUX THING
[07:26] <ithiel> a note of this incident has been made in #ubuntu-offtopic, it'll get dealt with, don't worry
[07:26] <ithiel> thank you lilo
[07:26] <lilo> np....it's worth noting that the problem may be exactly the way it looks, rather than the way we conclude it is
[07:26] <ithiel> Burglaptop: first incident I see?
[07:26] <lilo> i.e., robbies may be 11 years old, looking for support
[07:26] <Burglaptop> ithiel: this is very incident we have every had in this channel
[07:27] <Burglaptop> lilo: and robbies was not asking for support
[07:27] <ithiel> first incident?
[07:27] <purplefeltangel> lilo the topic had the N-word in it
[07:27] <jsgotangco> what's this?
[07:27] <Burglaptop> ithiel: afaik
[07:27] <kuja> lilo: I think the channel should be +t'ed until someone notifies you on taking over the channel.
[07:27] <ithiel> robbies definitely wasn't asking for support
[07:27] <quux> Best all-around solution (imo) is to get highvoltage and/or JaneW in contact with the ubuntu GC
[07:27] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, situation?
[07:27] <lilo> kuja: I'm actually overreaching by +q'ing the user, but I suspect it's not as big a problem as it looks
[07:27] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: we had a small issue with the topic
[07:27] <Burglaptop> and an overeager 11 year old
[07:27] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, here?
[07:27] <CuriousCat> jsgotangco, been having trouble with someone who keeps changing the topic to something offensive
[07:27] <purplefeltangel> lilo: he was changing it to things about dirty N--s.
[07:28] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[07:28] <wastrel> lilo:  robbies was posting racist topics. because the topic isn't locked
[07:28] <kuja> lilo: Probably not, I don't even think this channel is the official edubuntu channel.
[07:28] <Burglaptop> kuja: it is
[07:28] <purplefeltangel> kuja: it is official.
[07:28] <kuja> Seeing as there's only 1 contact.
[07:28] <jsgotangco> kuja, it is
[07:28] <kuja> Why the single contact?
[07:28] <Burglaptop> kuja: highvoltage works for teh shuttleworth foundation
[07:28] <lilo> wastrel: can you message me samples?
[07:28] <quux> kuja, there is a contact and an alternate?
[07:28] <Burglaptop> because it has never been an issue
[07:28] <jsgotangco> kuja, because most of us are in -devl as well
[07:28] <mustard5> wastrel, you got logs?
[07:28] <jsgotangco> and this channel isn't really high-traffic
[07:28] <wastrel> mustard5:  yes a few lines
[07:29] <lilo> quux: there's a single active contact for Ubuntu....but that's to simplify things....he's around pretty frequently
[07:29] <mustard5> wastrel, I can hunt through my logs if you like
[07:29] <Burglaptop> lilo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html
[07:29] <ithiel> g'night all
[07:29] <kuja> More staff should be granted oper priviledges to this channel, to address incidents that have just occurred.
[07:29] <Burglaptop> kuja: it will be dealt with
[07:29] <quux> lilo, see pm
[07:29] <jsgotangco> we never bothered it before
[07:29] <wastrel> mustard5:  i sent a few 
[07:30] <kuja> jsgotangco: Just a in-this-sort-of-even thing =)
[07:30] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: lets see about you and myself getting set as ops
[07:30] <quux> ah, I thought he was referring to contact for this channel
[07:30] <kuja> event*
[07:30] <jsgotangco> i don't mind
[07:30] <jsgotangco> :)
[07:30] <mustard5> wastrel, k..well I have logs if they are needed :)
[07:30] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: between the two of us, we should be able to cover most of the timezones
[07:30] <jsgotangco> okay
[07:31] <jsgotangco> Burglaptop, how about -meeting that isn't locked either
[07:31] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: none of them are, for good reason
[07:31] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:31] <kuja> Anyhow, it's calm now.
[07:31] <kuja> See you guys later.
[07:31] <jsgotangco> ciao
[07:32] <tritium> Burglaptop: that would be better if you and jsgotangco had ops here, rather than adding us with access on #ubuntu
[07:32] <Burglaptop> tritium: I agree. I think cloning lists is a bad idea, as not a lot of people frequent both
[07:32] <quux> OK, time for me to move along. 
[07:32] <wastrel> thanks for coming by
[07:32] <lilo> can you do me a favor?
[07:32] <lilo> please message me if robbies has more problems
[07:32] <Burglaptop> what you need?
[07:33] <lilo> try to be patient, and assume he's exactly what he says he is....if that's the case, he didn't set the topic himself, someone pulled an exploit
[07:33] <lilo> I believe I've covered that angle, so just let me know if there are more problems
[07:33] <Burglaptop> lilo: it was an open topic and he was just young
[07:34] <lilo> Burglaptop: if it happens again, you probably have a spoofing or problem user on your hands
[07:34] <lilo> Burglaptop: I've +C'd him
[07:34] <lilo> robbies: you can talk again
[07:34] <Burglaptop> ok
[07:34] <wastrel> it's still an open topic... :]   no way to set mode +t  ?
[07:34] <lilo> wastrel: that exceeds my authority
[07:34] <wastrel> ah well :]   
[07:34] <lilo> wastrel: I'll do it if absolutely needed
[07:35] <wastrel> see if that sticks
[07:35] <tritium> I need to get to bed.  Good night, all
[07:35] <wastrel> night
[07:35] <Burglaptop> night tritium
[07:35] <lilo> nite tritium 
[07:35] <tritium> :)
[07:37] <wastrel> juicy
[07:38] <robbies> how do i install this lINUX
[07:38] <Burglaptop> robbies: as we explained, you download it and burn the cd
[07:38] <robbies> is there like a linux.exe
[07:38] <Burglaptop> linux is not a windows program
[07:38] <Burglaptop> it is a complete seperate OS
[07:38] <robbies> will my dads stuff be ok if i install it
[07:39] <Burglaptop> no it won't be
[07:39] <Burglaptop> but you try a live cd
[07:39] <lilo> robbies: it probably won't....you need his permission to install Linux
[07:39] <lilo> robbies: but Burglaptop has pointed out a way to do it.... a live CD runs right off the CD, and it never removes your dad's Windows system
[07:39] <robbies> whhere is the live cd
[07:39] <Burglaptop> robbies: I would get your dad and go to here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[07:39] <Burglaptop> then you can download and try it together
[07:40] <robbies> is that the live cd
[07:40] <jsgotangco> there's a link for both live and install CDs
[07:41] <robbies> ok thanks
[07:41] <robbies> how do i hack and stuff
[07:41] <robbies> cuz i heard u can do that with linux
[07:41] <jsgotangco> you can also do that with any operating system
[07:41] <robbies> how
[07:42] <jsgotangco> you have to understand how software works and how to create one
[07:43] <Burglaptop> robbies: as we also explained, we will not help you with hacking into other peooples computers
[07:43] <Burglaptop> but if you want to learn how to create computer programs, we can do that
[07:54] <wastrel> pymol is a good program
[07:54] <Burglaptop> wastrel: what does it do?
[07:54] <Burglaptop> wastrel: and I don't think I have ever run into you before
[07:54] <wastrel> it's a molecular modelling program.
[07:55] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: looks like Seveas is the person to talk to, as the Ubuntu <--> Freenode rep
[07:55] <wastrel> Burglaptop:  i showed up because of the fuss, typically hang out in #ubuntu
[07:56] <Burglaptop> ah, welcome
[07:56] <Burglaptop> my other me, Burgwork is also here
[07:57] <jsgotangco> yeah Seveas is point of contact
[07:57] <Burglaptop> jsgotangco: I will speak with him tomorrow and I might raise the issue of ubuntu channels in general at the next CC meeting
[07:57] <Burglaptop> ie, do we have enough ops in all of them
[07:58] <Burglaptop> any idea what level -1 is?
[08:00] <Adalwolf> The GPG man page has 2035 lines!
[08:02] <wastrel> bash has 4818 :] 
[08:03] <Adalwolf> I was trying to figure out how to sign the ubuntu code of conduct......
[08:03] <Burglaptop> Adalwolf: LP will walk you through it
[08:03] <Adalwolf> I just opened a launchpad account.
[08:04] <Burglaptop> Adalwolf: on your page, click on "Codes of Conduct" on the righthand bar
[08:04] <wastrel> good thing to do in a long man page is search down to the examples section.  /EXAMPLES<enter>
[08:05] <Adalwolf> Do I have to come up with a key?
[08:05] <Burglaptop> Adalwolf: click on the link "See or sign..."
[08:05] <Burglaptop> Adalwolf: download the CC and use gpg to sign it
[08:06] <Burglaptop> Adalwolf: click on the Ubuntu code of conduct 1.0 and then after you have signed it, click on "Sign this version" on teh right
[08:06] <Burglaptop> paste the signed text into the box
[08:07] <Burglaptop> and make certain you tell LP what your GPG key is beforehand
[08:07] <Burglaptop> Adalwolf: do you already have a key?
[08:07] <Adalwolf> Where do I get my GPG key?
[08:07] <Adalwolf> No.
[08:07] <Burglaptop> you create one
[08:08] <Burglaptop> install the gnupg package
[08:08] <Adalwolf> I have GPG.
[08:09] <Adalwolf> secring created
[08:09] <Adalwolf> pubring created
[08:09] <Adalwolf> "Go ahead and type your message"
[08:12] <Burglaptop> Adalwolf: I think you use gpg -s NAMEOFTHEFILE
[08:12] <Adalwolf> Ah! Duh! I'm a putz! "Edit OpenPGP Key"
[08:13] <Adalwolf> gpg --genk-ey
[08:29] <Burglaptop> purplefeltangel: please stop changing your nick
[08:29] <purplefeltangel> burglaptop: sorry
[08:53] <wastrel> mmm i figured out something in pymol :] 
[11:43] <Seveas> Burgwork, ping
[12:27] <Seveas> highvoltage, mornin'
[12:28] <highvoltage> mornin, Seveas 
[12:29] <highvoltage> (or afternoon, from this side, at least)
[12:29] <Seveas> highvoltage, could you add some more operators to this channels accesslist - there were some problems last night
[12:29] <highvoltage> Seveas: how do i add permanent operators? do you know?"
[12:30] <Seveas> I suggest you add ogra, janew, burgundavia and mhz with at least level 10 
[12:35] <highvoltage> Seveas: what happened last night?
[12:35] <Seveas> some person kept messing with the topic
[12:35] <Seveas> nothing realy big, but it was annoying
[12:37] <highvoltage> ok, i'm adding you too, just for contingency
[12:49] <ogra> highvoltage, thanks for the op ... i dont think there is a need to be op'ed all the time ... lets keep it for emergency use
[12:51] <highvoltage> ogra: there's no danger in being ops, is there? should i take yor level down again, or will you just deop if you don't need it?
[12:52] <ogra> no, the level is just fine 
[12:52] <ogra> i just like to demonstrate that we dont abuse our power ...
[12:52] <highvoltage> ogra: btw, is the cookbook uploaded somewhere? i'm interested to see the edubuntu modifications.
[12:52] <highvoltage> ok.
[12:52] <ogra> highvoltage, ask jelkner in the meeting 
[12:52] <highvoltage> ok
[12:53] <highvoltage> i nearly forgot about the meeting, it's a public holiday in south africa today
[12:53] <ogra> btw: MEEP ! **************** Edubuntu Meeting in T-8 min in #ubuntu-meeting ********************
[12:53] <ogra> yup, thats why jane isnt there today
[12:53] <ogra> i think we can just quickly rush through the points, i have not much on the tec side today
[12:55] <highvoltage> ogra: things going well your side, i suppose you have much more time to spend with gf/family/friends now than you did in this perios last release.
[12:55] <highvoltage> s/perios/period
[12:57] <ogra> nah, i have to spend more time on ubuntu stuff
[12:57] <ogra> :)
[12:58] <ogra> now that edubuntu is in shape :)
[12:58] <highvoltage> ah, of course :)
[01:00] <ogra> MEEP ! **************** Edubuntu Meeting starts now in #ubuntu-meeting ********************
[01:00] <Seveas> ogra, spacey is going to try for Ubuntu member soon, can you vouch for his edubuntu work?
[01:00] <ogra> Seveas, absolutely
[01:00] <Seveas> cool 
[01:00] <Seveas> he'll ask it himself too, I'm jsut doing some "preliminary research"
[01:01] <ogra> he does awesome work, sure i'll vouch for him
[01:01] <flint_> It is early and cold in Vermont the morning...
[01:01] <ogra> so lets move over to #ubuntu-meeting, i heated the channel :)
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> does edubuntu bulid an ltsp chroot on a workstation install (which i asume is the default install?)
[01:49] <highvoltage> ogra: seen this? https://launchpad.net/bounties/eric.duveau
[01:49] <ogra> workstation is not the default 
[01:49] <highvoltage> does willow cover that?
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra: ok.
[01:49] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, see the InstallNotes wikipage (topic)
[01:50] <flint_> highvoltage, damn, it is the old content filter come back to life!
[01:50] <highvoltage> flint_: lol!
[01:50] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, willow will cover parts of it i think
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks ogra. 
[01:51] <ogra> i'd go even further, there is a firefox extension called bloxx 
[01:51] <ogra> that'd be cool to have for the workstation install 
[01:51] <ogra> (might also be blocks ... not sure)
[01:52] <highvoltage> spacey = \sh?
[01:52] <ogra> nope
[01:52] <flint_> keep in mind he wants automatic.  
[01:52] <ogra> flint_, thats why i said it covers *parts* 
[01:53] <flint_> ogra, i need the money, what does he want for this bounty?
[01:53] <highvoltage> i need to go for now, l8rs
[01:53] <ogra> willow will have an option to select if its transparent or nontransparent proxying on package install... and i wont make that part automated :)
[01:53] <ogra> ciao highvoltage 
[01:53] <pips1> highvoltage: cu
[01:54] <flint_> highvoltage, luck jonathan!
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> later highvoltage
[01:54] <flint_> ogra, you have a severe talent for punning, I would not have thought that of you.
[01:55] <pips1> flint_: you want to talk about schooltool? via mail?
[01:55] <flint_> ogra, my admiration grows daily...
[01:55] <ogra> flint_, heh
[01:55] <pips1> flint_, ogra, you're both rather witty :-)
[01:55] <flint_> pips1, via email would be nice.  I am trying to do research on the schooltool project.  
[01:55] <flint_> pips1, right now i am trying to remember how tom told me to load sample data.  
[01:56] <pips1> flint_: research? huh?
[01:56] <ogra> flint_, try to catch jinty in #ubuntu-devel (he's also here sometimes) he's one of the schooltool devs
[01:56] <flint_> pips1, the deal here is I am trying to build demo servers to deploy.
[01:56] <pips1> flint_: ah
[01:56] <flint_> ogra, yea, i know jinty and srichter and the whole gang...
[01:57] <ogra> ah, k
[01:57] <flint_> pips1, there is almost an institutional backlash.  the established computer ITA's are threatened by edubuntu and all it represents.  
[01:58] <flint_> pips1, to them it represents less budget and therefore less political power.
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> flint_: ITA?
[01:58] <flint_> btw ITA == Information Technology Administators
[01:59] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, ITAs are our customers, most do not know it yet.
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i suppose in a way that's me o_0
[02:00] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser,  it is good to be the customer!  what school are you at (I am the marketeer the ITA is my chosen quary :^)
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> flint_: i'm not part of any schools directly, but i work with some orgs with thin client networks, and some other groups I'm with are trying to get us (*buntu) into schools
[02:01] <pips1> flint_: who did you talk to regarding edubuntu/schooltool? what ITA's? in the U.S., I suppose?
[02:02] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, excellent then you are a fellow marketeer, and I welcome you to the hunt and suggest we join into a band.
[02:02] <flint_> pips1, I have Tom Hoffman who is the author.
[02:02] <pips1> flint_: autor? huh?
[02:02] <pips1> author
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> flint_: I'm not sure where you are, but I'm doing stuff in aus, and thers probably several groups we could tap into (if they havent been already)
[02:03] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, Hunter - gatherers traditionally gather together to hunt larger quary...
[02:03] <flint_> pips1, author indeed.
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> flint_: yes :)
[02:03] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, I am a political refugee from DC currently hiding in Montpelier, Vermont.
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> flint_: i take 'your a yank' out of that statement (yank isnt derogatory btw)
[02:04] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, there is big game in Australia eh?
[02:04] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, no more than say "person of Irish descent" is in Australia :^)
[02:04] <pips1> flint_: I'm can't quite follow what your saying regarding the backlash and I don't understand what you mean by "Tom Hoffman is the author"
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> flint_: it's a tough nut to crack one of the states in aus recently had a  state goventment leader say 'there will only be ms in schools'
[02:05] <flint_> pips1, I am easily confused, and make this up by being confusing.  I thought that Tom Hoffman was working full time on schooltool.  I could be wrong.
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[02:06] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, 'there will only be ms in schools' that's what I call big game!
[02:06] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, go find the guy running for his seat.  he is your friend.
[02:07] <pips1> flint_: I think Tom is working extensively on the st project, but I wouldn't know his salary/time agreement ;-)
[02:07] <pips1> flint_: but what is that percieved 'backlash' you mentioned?
[02:07] <flint_> pips1, neither do I.  I just whine and bitch to Tom and he comes through for me more often than not.
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> flint_: i will put you in touch with people over in vic. if you want. (if you don't know them already), they know about their situation better then me
[02:08] <flint_> pips1, you see the 'there will only be ms in schools' story everywhere.  teachers are a conservative lot.  what they have works for them.  they hate change.
[02:09] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, victoria bc?
[02:09] <pips1> flint_: yep
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> flint_: that's a bit harsh - it's kinda forced on them
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> victoria in Australia, i dunno what yu have over there ;0
[02:09] <pips1> flint_: you need to make a better "value proposal", otherwise they won't change
[02:09] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, we are hunters here, not teachers. 
[02:10] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, Victoria Australia would be your side of the game preserve...
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> thta it be. doesnt mean we cant help each other ;)
[02:11] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, about change, that is the whole issue.  I do not mean to be harsh, but there is a lot of "circling of the wagons" in the educational area.
[02:11] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, that is why i was so happy to announce a good test of Crossover 5.0.1 on Edubuntu BB.  you can have your cake and eat it too!
[02:12] <pips1> flint_: I'm still curious to why to come to those conclusions...! Tell us, who is your source! ;-)
[02:12] <flint_> Kamping_Kaiser, Edubuntu is cheap and easy to manage a classfull of.  if  you do not have to change your curriculum and can continue to teach msword, we are in the classroom.
[02:13] <pips1> arg, ... why *you* come to those conclusions ...
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have to say i think teaming up with ingots wouldnt hurt us
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> rather then teach mso :)
[02:13] <flint_> I was a member of the Arllington Virginia School System Technology Planning Comittee for 10 years... 
[02:14] <pips1> That must have been fun! :-)
[02:14] <flint_> pips1, thus I am going with bitter experience as my credential here.  I also helped install the Edubuntu systems at Mr. Ranier Md, Yorktown HS, Arlington, and TWSC Alexandria.  all of which now rock.
[02:15] <pips1> nice
[02:15] <flint_> pips1, it is like getting you finger nails pulled out by dogs...
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> good ;)
[02:16] <flint_> ogra, the crossover thing creates an interesting licensing issue....
[02:16] <flint_> ogra, also ollie and jonathan, what would happen if you tried crossover on a ppc platform?  any idea? guess?
[02:17] <flint_> anyway, i gotta break.  will be back.
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. later mate
[02:39] <ogra_> juliux, ping
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the 'edubuntu-desktop' metapackage the same as a workstation install?
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i dist-upgrade does that count as flight 4?
[03:07] <ogra> not really
[03:07] <ogra> flight 4 is a week old 
[03:10] <ogra> so dist-upgrade gives you something newer than flight 4
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:08] <juliux> ogra, pong
[04:28] <jsgotangco> did i miss anything exciting in our meeting?
[04:28] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:30] <spacey> how can you use codeblocks in the wiki?
[05:31] <ogra> look at a wikipage that already does it ?
[05:31] <spacey> good one :P
[05:45] <shannara> Dumb question
[05:46] <shannara> ogra: I have a dumb security question
[05:47] <lucasvo_> ask the question, don't ask to ask
[05:50] <shannara> When I set up k12ltsp the /home directories were secure from each other. Is there a way to improve the security so the ltsp users have access to only what is neccesary?
[05:50] <shannara> On Edubuntu of course
[05:55] <juliux> ogra, ?
[05:57] <Adalwolf> Shannara:  checkout https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[06:05] <shannara> thank. Is teachers pet part of flight4?
[06:10] <Adalwolf> Not Sure. I know that it's still an early version.
[06:11] <shannara> Sounds perfect. I'll give it a shot. Thanks
[06:43] <ogra> shannara, teachers pet is called student-control-panel in dapper ... teachers pet is just the spec
[06:44] <ogra> shannara, have a look at /etc/profile if you want to change systemwide permissons ...
[06:53] <juliux> ogra, there is a breezy edubuntu dvd right?
[06:54] <ogra> yup
[06:54] <juliux> thanks
[07:02] <juliux> ogra, do you knwo a faster server than cdimage.ubuntu.com for the dvd?
[07:02] <ogra> nope
[07:02] <ogra> you can try the swedish mirror, but i doubt it will be much faster
[07:08] <Burgwork> Seveas, thanks for that
[07:09] <Seveas> Burgwork, thank highvoltage 
[07:09] <Burgwork> if I have Burgwork linked to Burgundavia, will I be able to op with Burgwork?
[07:10] <Seveas> yes
[07:11] <Burgwork> now how do I unop?
[07:11] <Seveas>  /deop Burgwork 
[07:11] <Seveas> or /msg chanserv op #edubuntu -burgwork
[07:11] <Burgwork> ah, ok
[07:39] <moonbeam> hello
[07:40] <moonbeam> anyone know what apps in edubuntu are dependent on postgresql?  My daughter's computer is crap and I'm trying to lighten the load on it.
[07:41] <Burgwork> moonbeam, I think postgres is only for moodle and schooltool
[07:41] <moonbeam> good.  thanks.  I can kill it then :-)
[07:42] <Burgwork> moonbeam, what kind of install did you do?
[07:42] <ogra> its there only for moodle preparation
[07:42] <moonbeam> workstation
[07:42] <moonbeam> or whatever you call the one that isn't server.
[07:42] <ogra> there cant be postgres installed
[07:42] <ogra> its not in the package selection of the workstation install
[07:43] <ogra> moonbeam, did you read the install notes from the channel topic ?
[07:43] <moonbeam> I could have made a mistake.  
[07:44] <ogra> if you have postgres installed you likely made a default (classroom server) install ...
[07:44] <moonbeam> I read installation notes when I installed a couple days ago.  I definitely know not to choose server.  
[07:44] <moonbeam> doesn't mean I didn't choose it anyway.
[07:44] <ogra> default is a server install ...
[07:44] <ogra> you need to explicitly type "workstation" at the cd prompt
[07:45] <moonbeam> I can strip it down easily enough.  just wanted  to make sure I wasn't going to nuke anything if I canned postgresql.  it's easy to fix things up on this computer than to reinstall from scratch.
[07:45] <moonbeam> thanks for the info.
[07:46] <ogra> wipe the ltsp stuff, it takes a lot of space
[07:46] <ogra> i.e. sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 
[07:47] <moonbeam> thanks.  Will do.  my daughter is enjoying it.  Save me the trouble of trying to get gcompris installed a fedora core 3 system.  That was a nightmare.
[07:48] <ogra> heh
[07:48] <ogra> :)
[07:49] <Burgwork> moonbeam, FC4 is a lost cause, we are trying at work
[07:50] <moonbeam> my wife and I are using fc3.  The installs are still stable - though I had to clean up a messing after attempting to get gcompris installed on one of them.
[07:50] <moonbeam> but edubuntu I think is going to work well for my daughter.  It's a much appreciated distribution
[07:50] <moonbeam> but.... gotta go - wife has called for a taxi ride.
[07:50] <moonbeam> thanks
[07:50] <ogra> :) great to hear that
[07:50] <ogra> bye
[09:36] <javiolo> hi what apps are available to kids from 3 to 6 ?
[09:37] <Burgwork> javiolo, the gcompris suite is great for that ages
[09:37] <javiolo> but looks limited
[09:38] <javiolo> I mean theres not too much apps
[09:38] <Burgwork> some of kde edu stuff is good (any app starting with K)
[09:38] <javiolo> what do you recommend me install edubuntu or skolelinux ?
[09:38] <Burgwork> I have never used skole, so I cannot say anthing either way
[09:39] <Burgwork> skole is older
[09:39] <javiolo> well the system needs to be used by kids of that age
[09:40] <javiolo> can I restrict everything ?
[09:40] <javiolo> I mean they dont have to use openoffice and most of the apps...
[09:41] <Burgwork> the menu system is currently just the gnome one, which is not great for kids
[09:42] <Burgwork> I would create a login for them, then use the menu editor to hide all the applications you don't want them to see/use
[09:42] <javiolo> ok
[09:42] <javiolo> I want a very simple desktop
[09:43] <javiolo> one thing edubuntu is available to mac ppc ?
[09:43] <Burgwork> in the version of Edubuntu do to be released in April there will also be a tool called pesslus, where you can lockdown the panel
[09:43] <Burgwork> and other bits of the desktop
[09:43] <javiolo> Burgwork but now is possible ?
[09:43] <Burgwork> you can hide the menu items currently
[09:44] <Burgwork> there is no stable version of Edubuntu that runs on PPC
[09:44] <javiolo> ouch
[09:44] <javiolo> big problem
[09:45] <javiolo> cos most of the computers are old imacs 
[09:45] <javiolo> only a few pcs
[09:45] <Burgwork> the next version of Edubuntu is due to be released on April 20th
[09:45] <javiolo> ok
[09:47] <Burgwork> I think that you should be able to use ppc thin clients with a i386 server with the new version
[09:47] <Burgwork> I haven't actually tried that
[09:47] <Burgwork> I would try the Flight 4, just yourself, to see how it works
[10:00] <javiolo> burgwork flight 4 ?
[10:01] <Burgwork> javiolo, the currently alpha of Edubuntu 6.04
[10:09] <javiolo> Burgwork how can I do that ?
[10:09] <Burgwork> javiolo, download the cd from the place listed in the topic
[10:09] <Burgwork> grab an old machine and test it on there
[10:09] <javiolo> its downloading
[10:10] <javiolo> well I mean use it on mac ppc as thin client 
[10:10] <Burgwork> yes
[10:10] <Burgwork> but I have no idea how to do that
[10:12] <javiolo> do you recommend dapper or breezy ?
[10:12] <wastrel> dapper is not stable yet.
[10:12] <wastrel> breezy is the current stable version
[10:13] <Burgwork> dapper for testing and seeing if you like it, breezy if you are putting it in front of people
[10:14] <javiolo> ok
[10:14] <javiolo> now Im on breezy
[10:32] <shannara> HELP_, I have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen.
[10:40] <shannara> ogra: help
[10:46] <shannara> anyone?
[10:53] <shannara> Has everyone left for the day?
[10:56] <jouni__m> still awake here.
[10:58] <shannara> I have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen
[11:01] <jouni__m> sorry, can't help.
[11:02] <shannara> From what I can tell it seems to be an issue with the server accepting the login because it fails from ctrl-alt-f1 also.
[11:19] <lilo> I'm heading out....if you folks need anything, just let us know
[11:22] <shannara> can anyone help me
[11:40] <shannara> ogra: i have an ltsp client login issue
[11:55] <shannara> bueller
[11:57] <juliux> shannara, what is your problem?
[12:00] <shannara> I have a wierd thing happening now. When I log in as a ltsp client it acts like it is going to login but it goes right back to the login screen. From what I can tell it seems to be an issue with the server accepting the login because it fails from ctrl-alt-f1 also.
[12:03] <juliux> you can try to run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys  on the server
[12:03] <juliux> and the reboot the thinclient