[12:05] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: this is the first one ,so I begain with 10 
[12:05] <Riddell> I'd just start at 01
[12:05] <Riddell> actually I'd start at kubuntu_01
[12:05] <Riddell> so as to make it clear it didn't come from debian
[12:05] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: ok, i'd correct it 
[12:06] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: no need, I can just change that, otherwise all good, I'll upload
[12:06] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: I hope the guy in debian may accept this 
[12:08] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: r u also a debian DD?
[12:08] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: no I'm not
[12:08] <Riddell> would like to be but no time
[12:08] <freeflying-ibook> hehe
[12:09] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: after you upload skim , I can work on some engine of scim ,for skim's support 
[12:10] <Riddell> just compiling skim before uploading
[12:20] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: skim uploaded, I left your name in the changelog so let me know if you get an e-mail
[12:20] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: u got mail about skim ?
[12:21] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: I got a dapper-changes e-mail, haven't got any ACCEPTED e-mail yet though
[12:23] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: lucky,not bug report
[12:23] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: thx so much for your sponsor 
[12:24] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: scim-chewing looks like it builds?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/scim-chewing/0.2.1-2build1
[12:26] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: I've failed to build in chroot and pbuilder 
[12:26] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: and the build log is at 2005-12-23
[12:27] <Riddell> building..
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: yep, your fix corrects that
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: uploading, version number changed to ubuntu1 not build2
[12:34] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: :)
[12:38] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: if you have time now ,plz review the quarry package on revu 
[12:42] <Riddell> ok
[01:31] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: a few issues http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2070
[02:44] <allee> jpatrick ?
[07:07] <Tm_T> morning
[07:08] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T 
[07:10] <Tm_T> this is ugly
[07:10] <Hobbsee> pity there's no repo version
[07:10] <Tm_T> check again
[07:11] <Hobbsee> indeed, very nice
[07:12] <Tm_T> :)
[07:17] <seth> yakuake? It's been in Dapper for monhts
[07:17] <seth> months
[07:17] <Hobbsee> oh, ok then
[07:35] <Tm_T> I don't understand all the fuss around it, it's nothing spectacular or even special
[07:35] <Tm_T> just terminal with ugly default style
[07:49] <robotgeek> Tm_T: do you know if Kopete in dapper has Jabber Jingle support
[07:51] <Mez> Tm_T, lol - but it's a highly useful application
[07:51] <Mez> I'd put it on the same par as I would katapult
[07:52] <Mez> and I'm the katapult project leader
[07:52] <Mez> or do you think the same about katapult too ?
[07:52] <robotgeek> Mez: is katapult just a laucher or aimed at quicksilver?
[07:53] <Mez> robotgeek, at the moment a launcher - but if we find quicksilver features we like - we'll incorporate them
[07:53] <Mez> why - what's it missing you'd like ?
[07:54] <robotgeek> Mez: hmm, amarok playlist navigation maybe. or konqueror bookmarks (i think this is possible already, i just don't know how)
[07:54] <Mez> konq bookmarks = there
[07:54] <Mez> amarok playlist "navigation" ?
[07:54] <Mez> you can make it play a track in amarok
[07:56] <robotgeek> Mez: quicksilver had some itunes track/playlist stuff. it's been ver a year since i saw OS X, so i am not sure of it exactly
[07:57] <robotgeek> also the ability to actually select a file and upload it to a webserver , in a gui without touching the mouse was just awesome :)
[08:00] <Mez> yeah but that'd also need some neat integration with konq
[08:00] <Mez> and well...
[08:00] <Mez> at the moment .. 
[08:00] <Mez> it works in Gnome too ...
[08:00] <Mez> but ... hmm ...
[08:00] <Mez> I gues that could be something
[08:00] <Mez> seeing as it's in Gnome now
[08:02] <robotgeek> nice, well lets see how it goes :)
[08:02] <robotgeek> anyways, i am off to bed!
[08:16] <Tm_T> Mez: not more useful than any terminal
[08:17] <Tm_T> robotgeek_zzz: no it doesn't have, jingle support need packages that are not in dapper
[08:17] <Mez> Tm_T, were you on about yakuake or katapult then
[08:17] <Mez> Tm_T, It is just a terminal
[08:17] <Mez> but it has a hot key
[08:17] <Mez> so it's there for the simple tasks
[08:24] <Hobbsee> what's up mornfall|work?
[08:24] <mornfall|work> nothing, just bouncing
[08:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:27] <seaLne> too much coffee?
[08:28] <mornfall|work> nah
[08:28] <mornfall|work> no coffee yet
[08:28] <mornfall|work> anyhow i got un-bounced by frozen Xorg
[08:28] <mornfall|work> i need to update it to something that does not crash every hour
[09:11] <cmvo> mornfall|work: Hi! Which video card to you use? Radeon?
[09:12] <mornfall|work> nv driver
[09:13] <cmvo> Ok, I've got problems with the radeon drm kernel module. As I don't need 3D commeting out dri in xorg.conf helped.
[09:24] <Hobbsee> anyone here who uses msn?
[09:24] <mornfall|work> possibly
[09:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: from Kopete?
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes
[09:24] <mornfall|work> too bad, 09:24 <@root> ivanadanill       ivanadanill@hotmail.com (MSN)             Online
[09:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: you have problems with it?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: testing out a bug with the auto-away plugin - it seems to bounce out of the away, after teh screen is locked
[09:26] <Hobbsee> i have a fix for it, and it seems to work from what i see here
[09:28] <Lure> I do not use lock screen much due to bug with password not being accepted :-(
[09:28] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:28] <Hobbsee> well, it's more to test if i lock the screen - if it shows correctly for you
[09:28] <Hobbsee> *adds contact*
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/19661 is the bug
[09:30] <Lure> OK, how can I help testing?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> well, the scenario in the past is that it stays idle when the screensaver is locked on the system, yet comes back as online a few seconds later, even while the screen is still locked
[09:32] <Hobbsee> so, ie, tell me if i go idle, and stay idle until i message to say that i'm back, and that teh screen is unlocked
[09:33] <Lure> You use gmail account for your MSN id?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Lure: no
[09:34] <Lure> you are online.
[09:52] <Tonio_> hey
[09:53] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ 
[09:56] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[09:56] <Hobbsee> ack.  no easy way to remove multiple packages by dpkg -r
[09:56] <Lure> why not using apt-get remove?
[09:59] <Mez> apt-get remove --purge *ubuntu*
[09:59] <Mez> :-"
[10:01] <Hobbsee> because that means i have to specify all the packages individually
[10:01] <Hobbsee> LOL @ Mez 
[10:02] <Mez> Hobbsee, apt-get allows wildcards
[10:03] <Mez> how about
[10:03] <Mez> ls *.deb | cat | cut -f1 -d_ | xargs apt-get remove
[10:03] <Hobbsee> which version is kpdf on all your systems?
[10:03] <Mez>       kpdf | 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[10:03] <Mez> kdegraphics | 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ok, good
[10:04] <Mez> Hobbsee, you gotta love my way of doing it though eh ?
[10:04] <Hobbsee> if i understood it, yeah
[10:04] <Mez> lol
[10:05] <Hobbsee> ok, it looks like it's back to normal now :)
[10:05] <Mez> well it says "take all the deb files in this directory and list the filenames" "now make them so they have one filename per line" "now - just output everything in the filenames before the _" "now pass those names as arguments to apt-get remove
[10:05] <Mez> .debs are packge_version
[10:05] <Mez> so the _ thing works well
[10:05] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[10:47] <seaLne> is knewsticker supposed to appear in kontact?
[11:30] <ubijtsa2> *yawn*
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: ta :)
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> want me to poke back?
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> *grin*
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hehe - you'll bruise me!
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> *lol*
[12:17] <Riddell> seaLne: it's not yet updated daily by cron, but will be in the next version
[12:17] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[12:17] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[12:18] <Hobbsee> heh - weird form of morning at 10pm
[12:18] <Hobbsee> now...what did i have to tell you....
[12:18] <Riddell> seaLne: I believe there's a knewsticker plugin for kontact, but you have to turn it on
[12:18] <seaLne> Riddell: oops :)
[12:18] <seaLne> Riddell: next version of? dapper+1 or adept or ...
[12:19] <Riddell> seaLne: next adept upload
[12:19] <Riddell> seaLne: so that entry should really be Fix Committed, then when it's uploaded Fix Released
[12:19] <Riddell> (although that's like hassle and stuff)
[12:20] <hunger> Riddell: It's launchpad;-) that's synonymous for hassle and stuff;-)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> this is more dangerous than going clothes shopping!
[12:21] <seaLne> Hobbsee: i do that all the time but am too indecisive to actually buy anything, been meaning to buy a new hard disk for about 6 months
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:22] <hunger> Hobbsee: Yeap... considered getting a 19" rack the last time I was careless enough to reed such a catalog;-)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> this tech shop seems most surprised to find a *girl* walking in there!
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hehehe!
[12:22] <seaLne> maybe you need to go in disguise
[12:22] <Hobbsee> mind you, have to go down there anywya, if they managed to ship my blasted battery to the actual shop
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:22] <Hobbsee> i dont think that'd be possible...
[12:22] <Hobbsee> it's kinda hard for me to dress up as a guy, you know :P
[12:23] <hunger> What? Girls in techshops? That might make it onto slashdot;-)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:23] <Hobbsee> sure, especially when they do things like ask where a wireless card is made, as they use linux, and they're made with different chipsets...
[12:23] <hunger> Hobbsee: Oh, the fun...
[12:24] <hunger> Hobbsee: my wife does not do that to tech people and she already confuses the heck out of them when she needs something fixed and knows what actually is broken.
[12:25] <hunger> Hobbsee: And she already disguised that fact by calling our switch "that network thingy";-)
[12:25] <Tonio_> other problems with the ksplash theme
[12:26] <Tonio_> doesn't support utf8, nor translations
[12:26] <Tonio_> always english.......
[12:27] <hunger> Tonio_: Oh nice!
[12:27] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:28] <seaLne> anyone having problems with k3b hanging?
[12:29] <Tonio_> not as nice, but works fine
[12:30] <hunger> Tonio_: That would get rid of one more pakage that needs maintaining for 5 years! (or is that for server stuff only?)
[12:31] <hunger> Actually with all the ubuntu-people trying to reduce main I was surprised that it keapt growing anyway:-(
[12:32] <Tonio_> hunger: possible, dunno....
[01:31] <Riddell> amu_: nice how KDE/Kubuntu has 3 tables compared to gnome's 2 :)  http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2006/live/plan.html
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hehe nice
[01:42] <amu_> maybe 2% of all Linuxusers in Germany use the Gnome Desktop, 2 tables are too much for them :D
[01:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you don't need to assign bugs to Kubuntu Beasties as Kubuntu Team should get automatically subscribed to any KDE bugs by default
[01:43] <Hobbsee> oh
[01:43] <Riddell> also I'm not sure what the Kubuntu Beasties group is anyway
[01:43] <Hobbsee> dont know, but that's where i grabbed the old bug list off that i was fixing from...
[01:43] <Riddell> ooh, GNU/Linux User and Developer wants to put amu's live CD as their cover CD :)
[01:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure you didn't get it from kubuntu-team not kubuntu-devel?
[01:44] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel should be deleted 
[01:44] <amu_> Riddell: Kubuntu Beasties group?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> um....i dont remember
[01:44] <Hobbsee> i think i looked up one of the groups, and saw the bugs assigned to them
[01:44] <Hobbsee> does seem a bit weird that we have two groups though, and still some that are unassigned
[01:45] <Riddell> amu_: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-devel  given the name I suppose I must have made it at some point but it's redundant
[01:47] <freeflying> Riddell: what's the meaning of "Beasties'
[01:48] <Riddell> freeflying: Scots for insect ("bugs" is American English for insect)
[01:48] <amu_> Riddell: :D another step into world domination *g*   
[01:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: why call Kubuntu-Beasties  :)
[01:50] <Riddell> freeflying: no idea, I have no memory of creating the group so I must have been sleep walking at the time or something :)
[01:50] <Riddell> and teams in launchpad can't be deleted or merged 
[01:50] <freeflying> hmmm
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: change it yourself and it will be :)
[01:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: change wiki page, e-mail fridge-devel, send announcement to kubuntu-devel list
[01:51] <Hobbsee> okay
[01:52] <amu_> Riddell: i've still problems using launchpad, cause it isnt free software 
[01:54] <freeflying> amu_: seems u can use it freely , hmmm
[01:54] <Riddell> amu_: most people do
[01:54] <Riddell> amu_: lots of questions about that to jdub at FOSDEM
[01:55] <amu_> freeflying: sure, thatC different
[01:56] <freeflying> amu_: I see, but that is the fact it is now 
[01:56] <amu_> Riddell: i imagine, there will be much more in feature. 
[01:58] <amu_> freeflying: maybe i'm too radical, it can be, software should be free, if not dont use it. If noone use it, it will die.
[02:00] <freeflying> amu_: I totally agree with u , and also I hope one day , people in our country can do like u , then linux will have a splendid future
[02:00] <amu_> if the software isnt free, you cannot do things like the great KDE Desktop, LiveCD .... 
[02:03] <amu_> freeflying: correct, it's just a question of lobbing the responsable people, sending news about great, new ideas, share your ideas with others, free software is so flexible, you can do great things, its just a question of time when we own those vampires :)
[02:04] <amu_> freeflying: btw. you're happy with your livecd, i didnt got any feedback from y 
[02:05] <freeflying> amu_: I just want to tell u , i wanna it can support chinese , but it dosen't
[02:07] <amu_> freeflying: hmm, what is the problem? Is it possible to add this CD to an chinese linuxmagazine? that billion other know/lern about KDE/Kubuntu ? 
[02:08] <freeflying> amu_: but it can not support chines ,no chinese input method , no chinese fonts, how can people in our country use it ?
[02:09] <freeflying> amu_: http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=241350
[02:10] <amu_> freeflying: if i invest some more time and get your help, that should be possible
[02:10] <freeflying> amu_: I'd like to 
[02:11] <freeflying> amu_: what shall I do for you then , I hope we can have a better chinese support livecd with kde+koffice
[02:14] <amu_> freeflying: saw the page but have huge trouble to read it :) 
[02:15] <freeflying> amu_: Im looking for test , but it haven't chinese support
[02:16] <amu_> freeflying: let start it like this, i'll configure it by hand that it will start only in chinese
[02:16] <freeflying> amu_: need I do what ?
[02:16] <amu_> what do you mean with haven't chinese  support ? it starts in german? 
[02:17] <amu_> or in english? 
[02:17] <freeflying> amu_: no chinese fonts, so people can not read anything in chinese
[02:18] <amu_> ok, can be i probably forgot the chinese fonts
[02:18] <amu_> are you familar with packaging debs?
[02:18] <freeflying> amu_: so lets make it better in dapper's livecd 
[02:18] <freeflying> amu_: I have package some 
[02:20] <amu_> freeflying: the liveCD is fine and works, for enduser it doesnt matter if they use dapper hoary warty brezzy whatever  
[02:21] <freeflying> amu_: I hope we can provide one based upon dapper , with koffice 
[02:22] <amu_> freeflying: i use the stable breezy with a huge success, if you need now something i can help you
[02:23] <amu_> freeflying: fantastic, could you add all needed packages in 1 metapackage? 
[02:23] <freeflying> amu_: the structure of dapper livecd has big deiffernce from breezy 
[02:24] <freeflying> amu_: ok
[02:24] <amu_> freeflying: and it's still beta, untested :) probably 6-7 month later if a lot of people use it, you know the special problems
[02:25] <amu_> all my cd, for magazine, usersgroups are basded on breezy it just works
[02:25] <freeflying> amu_: how do you do these thing , manually or using scripts?
[02:27] <amu_> thats the magic, i'm sure dapper is good, rule no.1 is, no experiments :) you loose 100% people who boots the CD ex. if your browser crases
[02:27] <amu_> by scripts
[02:28] <amu_> freeflying: as i remember i installed the kde-lang packages for chinese support, what you do now if install everything in addition to get a complete KDE Desktop in Chinese lang
[02:29] <amu_> note down, what you extra installed in order it looks like it has to be, DOCUMENT this process
[02:30] <amu_> build a set of needed packages, a meta pack, OR let me know those additional packages and i do it for myself
[02:30] <freeflying> amu_: u just need add the chinese font and input method 
[02:30] <freeflying> amu_: in dapper , I just need some configure for the fontconfig
[02:31] <freeflying> and install input method's module , everything is ok
[02:31] <amu_> freeflying: ok, our deal is this, contact a linuxmagazine. or computer magazine and offer them a "special kubuntu CD" for free 
[02:31] <freeflying> amu_: I can do it , but how can I get those CD
[02:32] <amu_> freeflying: gimme some days
[02:32] <amu_> days = i've to work in my job, doing it in my free time :)
[02:33] <amu_> freeflying: cool, so you offer then a cool kubuntu CD which is based on the rocking KDE Desktop, sounds good, if they release it please send me a copy of the magazine 
[02:35] <freeflying> amu_: sure ,but we'd provide them all CDs
[02:35] <freeflying> amu_: hmmm
[02:36] <amu_> freeflying: ? here it's normal, magazines give away their CD's for free 
[02:37] <amu_> freeflying: they are so thankfull if someone do THEIR job building images 
[02:37] <amu_> s/someone/someone other
[02:37] <freeflying> amu_: If we want magazine ship with CD, we'd provide them all CDs
[02:38] <freeflying> amu_: so , we may ask for sponsonr from canonical ,  :)
[02:38] <amu_> freeflying: i c, in Europe it's different, there are sooo many of magazines, its difficult to find a magazine without CD :) 
[02:39] <freeflying> amu_: ya, it's quite diffenrent from you 
[02:39] <amu_> freeflying: thats your part asking canonical :)
[02:40] <freeflying> amu_: maybe it's Riddell's lol
[02:41] <amu_> ok, your task get now my highest priority 
[02:42] <amu_> there's nothing which is more important, building a CD for billions of users 
[02:42] <amu_> sending them our KDE love 
[02:43] <freeflying> amu_: yep
[02:43] <amu_> freeflying: maybe a good time for asking, i'm not sure if M.S. is still in Asia? 
[02:43] <freeflying> amu_: mark shall be back 
[02:45] <amu_> freeflying: it's better ask for a such a thing now, than later :) explain him you wanna send a special Kubuntu to billions, please send me your cheque 
[02:45] <amu_> :D 
[02:45] <freeflying> amu_: lol
[02:46] <amu_> just joking, just eplain him what you want to do and what you need. 
[02:46] <Riddell> Mark is back in London
[02:46] <freeflying> I've writen him about the advacation of ubuntu in china ,but still no reply now
[02:47] <freeflying> Riddell: I'd ask you for cheque firstly   hmmm:)
[02:47] <amu_> freeflying: forward it to Riddell :) and btw. dont tell jdub about your idea :) 
[02:48] <freeflying> amu_: who is jdub
[02:48] <freeflying> Riddell: need forward it u ?
[02:48] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm not sure what I can do
[02:49] <amu_> freeflying: one of the important people using this ugly brown desktop :)
[02:50] <freeflying> Riddell: you can recommend us to mark  :)
[02:51] <Riddell> "please reply to freeflying's e-mail" :)
[02:51] <freeflying> lol
[02:52] <amu_> freeflying: the best solution is, if you poke Riddell about his private secret telefonnumber ;) 
[02:53] <freeflying> amu_: then u may do it  :)
[02:54] <amu_> Riddell: do you know is there a Xgl ready2run soluion for dapper atm?  
[02:54] <hunger> Xgl is no ready2run solution.
[02:54] <amu_> freeflying: hehe, i guess he cant remember me
[02:55] <Riddell> amu_: there are testing packages for gnome, kde ones are empty though
[02:55] <amu_> hunger: i saw on the susedesktop it works [tm] 
[02:56] <freeflying> Riddell: I think kubuntu shall use beagle as our indexing-search 
[02:56] <amu_> Riddell: another possibility is i reband suse desktop and tell poeple thats the new kubuntu desktop :)  
[02:56] <amu_> s/reband/rebrand
[02:56] <hunger> amu_: The guy that presented it at fosdem said it is a research project only.
[02:57] <hunger> amu_: The cool part is compiz anyway;-)
[02:59] <amu_> hunger: ic, so better it's i change the suse wallpapers/splases with ours :) 
[02:59] <amu_> anyway i've to work now ... cheers 
[03:01] <Riddell> amu_: even the suse using KDE people will have to run it with gnome window manager for Xgl demo
[03:02] <hunger> Riddell: and you need gconf to configure it, too:-(
[03:25] <freeflying> Riddell: dose debian accept the immodule patch for qt ?
[03:26] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, it's in their SVN
[03:27] <Riddell> may even be uploaded, not sure
[03:27] <freeflying> Riddell: then I may file an ITP for scim-qtimm on b. d. o ?
[03:29] <jjesse> i know this isn't a support channel but no one on #kubuntu can help me: is there any way to get printing working in dapper?  says i can't connecto to cups 
[03:39] <Riddell> amU: what is that background you used on the live CD?
[03:40] <Riddell> jjesse: if you ignore the cups error message it mostly works
[03:43] <jjesse> Riddell: can't add a printer 
[03:43] <jjesse> so i can't print
[03:44] <Riddell> hmm, bummer
[03:44] <Riddell> gnome-cups-thing works for now
[03:45] <Riddell> I'll probably need to make cups 1.1 pacakges if kde doesn't start working for cups 1.2 soon
[05:09] <allee> Riddell: which kde guys did you pester upstream?  Which malone bugs?  More administration or user problem?
[05:12] <Riddell> allee: with respect to what?
[05:12] <allee> cups
[05:13] <Riddell> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-print-devel&m=113294211631555&w=2
[05:14] <Riddell> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115891
[05:15] <allee> Riddell: can't we use localhost:631
[05:17] <Riddell> allee: no, cups doesn't listen on tcp by default in ubuntu (no open ports policy)
[05:17] <Riddell> unless it listens on loopback and not real network or something
[05:17] <allee> Riddell: isn't localhost an exception to no open ports?
[05:18] <allee> well, localhost is loopback ;)
[05:19] <Riddell> hmm, actually looks like cups does listen on localhost by default
[05:20] <Riddell> but even using localhost I get Connection to CUPS server failed.
[05:20] <allee> Riddell: at least for cups 1.1 clientside: if nothing given in CUPS_PRINTER, /etc/cups/client.conf or comand line was given, fallback was localhost:631
[05:21] <Riddell> allee: well does setting KDE to use localhost work for you?
[05:22] <allee> allee: I never had to set anything with a local cupsd running.  When I only use the lp* clientstools I modified client.conf
[05:22] <allee> Riddell: but for test I set cups server in print dialog and it worked (last time maybe 2 month ago)
[05:24] <allee> allee: only cups client side usage problem I'm aware of is that sometimes cupsd uses <queue>, sometimes <queue>@<cups-server-with-out-domain>
[05:25] <Riddell> talking to yourself :)
[05:26] <Riddell> well it definatly doesn't work for me "Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason."
[06:02] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:02] <Tm_T> I think I package ortp and Kopete-jingle
[06:02] <Tm_T> as soon as 0.12 beta comes out, prolly in next week
[08:39] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.2 is up on the site. http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[08:40] <Lure> _Sime: can you look bug 26175
[08:40] <Lure> it seems that userconfig breaks unlock from screensaver
[08:40] <Riddell> _Sime: great
[08:40] <Riddell> _Sime: can the DPI be set in displayconfig?
[08:42] <robotgeek> System Settings -> Storage Media has no service for Blank CD/DVD, is this intentional
[08:46] <robotgeek> i'm asking cause i am doing Documentation, and I need to finish the section on "Burning CD's"
[08:54] <_Sime> Lure: next version ;)
[08:54] <_Sime> Riddell: DPI => no, that would break FF. ;-)
[08:56] <Lure> _Sime: OK, just that you are aware of it.
[08:57] <Lure> _Sime: DPI -> it would also solve bug 25656 (it is a matter of perspective ;-))
[08:59] <Lure> _Sime: and thanks for 0.6.2 - changelog looks very promising - looking forward
[09:14] <incinerator> ping Riddell
[09:18] <Riddell> incinerator: hi
[09:18] <incinerator> you pinged me about the meeting yesterday, but then i went afk....
[09:18] <Riddell> robotgeek: I think the author has good reasons to have it that way
[09:18] <Riddell> incinerator: just trying to put a face to your nick :)
[09:19] <incinerator> it's me, Dominik, the German
[09:19] <incinerator> ;-)
[09:19] <incinerator> Btw, we will need some Ubuntu/Kubuntu CDs for both events, if you can bring some along....
[09:19] <Riddell> incinerator: are you going to the install days?
[09:20] <incinerator> well, I'm organising them, I'd better go along, as well ggg
[09:20] <Riddell> cool :)
[09:20] <Riddell> I can't make them unfortunatly
[09:20] <Riddell> but I'll bring a box of Kubuntu CDs and some Open CDs tomorrow
[09:20] <incinerator> yay, if you happen to have some Ubuntu ones, as well....
[09:21] <Riddell> I don't
[09:22] <incinerator> nevermind, Sean has some of those I think
[09:26] <nlindblad> ouch
[09:26] <nlindblad> this is not good
[09:26] <nlindblad> lindblad@insomnia:~$ ls
[09:26] <nlindblad> ls: relocation error: ls: symbol __guard, version GLIBC_2.3.2 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[09:26] <incinerator> btw, I'm running your kde 3.5.1 breezy packages on my laptop just now, seems to work fine
[09:54] <robotgeek> Riddell: hmm, okay. So, it will not popup a "Burn CD" dialog. 
[10:39] <Riddell> raphink: does setting cups to localhost work for you?
[10:51] <raphink> Riddell: nope
[10:51] <raphink> Riddell: I just upgraded a few minutes ago and now it works
[10:51] <raphink> Riddell: I'm trying to find what package might have fixed it
[10:55] <raphink> Riddell: that's weird ...
[10:55] <raphink> but it works :) so I won't complain
[10:58] <Riddell> yes, it's a bit like that
[10:59] <nlindblad> how come I get that error?
[11:01] <raphink> nlindblad: ?
[11:01] <nlindblad> nlindblad@insomnia:~$ ls
[11:01] <nlindblad> ls: relocation error: ls: symbol __guard, version GLIBC_2.3.2 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[11:01] <raphink> hmm interesting bug
[11:02] <nlindblad> indeed
[11:10] <nlindblad> should I be worried?
[11:10] <raphink> does it happen in all dirs ?
[11:10] <nlindblad> yes, and it's not only ls
[11:10] <raphink> what else?
[11:10] <nlindblad> seems like everything using libc is broken
[11:11] <nlindblad> root can do things fine though
[11:11] <raphink> what distro do you use ? dapper?
[11:11] <nlindblad> yes
[11:11] <raphink> is it up-to-date?
[11:12] <nlindblad> yes
[11:12] <raphink> hmmm
[11:12] <raphink> well did you report the bug?
[11:13] <nlindblad> not yet, I'll do that tomorrow
[11:13] <nlindblad> should have gone to bed hours ago
[11:13] <raphink> ok
[11:14] <Lure> nlindblad: is this just warning message or does "ls" fail completely
[11:15] <nlindblad> it dies
[11:15] <Lure> I would be concerned that machine would not boot anymore after shutdown
[11:16] <nlindblad> hmm
[11:16] <Lure> do you have libc6-i686 installed?
[11:16] <nlindblad> no idea
[11:16] <nlindblad> how do I look using apt
[11:16] <Lure> dpkg -S libc.so.6 
[11:17] <Lure> dpkg -l | grep libc6  
[11:21] <nlindblad> yeah
[11:21] <nlindblad> it's installed
[11:25] <Lure> which version?
[11:27] <nlindblad> 2.3.6
[11:27] <Lure> If you google for symbol __guard, you can see it is some stack violation
[11:28] <Lure> you should submit a bug for sure - this sounds critical
[11:30] <Lure> do you have selinux?
[11:33] <Lure> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/09/msg00105.html
[11:33] <Lure> I have to get some sleep now... ;-)
[11:34] <Lure> Bye evrybody
[11:58] <raphink> Riddell: are you there?
[12:03] <Riddell> raphink: hi
[12:03] <raphink> :)
[12:03] <Riddell> always here for you baby
[12:03] <raphink> Riddell: I'm working on the libxine-extracodecs stuff
[12:03] <raphink> now there's a slight issue imo
[12:03] <raphink> I can have it in adept_installer quite easily