| robotgeek | hmm, i apparently left out add-applications | 12:41 |
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| LaserJock | bad robotgeek :) | 12:42 |
| robotgeek | the diff doesn't show svn added files | 12:42 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: the best way to send in a new file is? | 12:42 |
| === robotgeek is always confused about this | ||
| LaserJock | robotgeek: you should be able to do a "svn add" and svn diff it | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | you aren't able to? | 12:43 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: nope, it doesn't diff | 12:44 |
| robotgeek | oh, you mean svn diff file.xml | 12:44 |
| robotgeek | okay, that works. but just svn diff doesn't | 12:44 |
| LaserJock | just svn diff at the top of the repo | 12:44 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: thanks, that worked. mailed | 12:52 |
| robotgeek | now to find someone to commit, lol | 12:52 |
| === robotgeek catches hold of LaserJock | ||
| LaserJock | hmm, I have no idea what you're talking about :-) | 12:54 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: heh, i now have a go ahead on all commits related to KDG :) | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | it's not validating for me. | 12:57 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: can you pasteibn the error? | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | just a sec | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9569 | 12:58 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: apparently you need to install a kde package | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | but should that matter? I don't know that the repo should be that dependent on outside packages | 01:00 |
| robotgeek | kdelibs-data | 01:00 |
| robotgeek | cause it's a kde documentation shared entity file | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: I've got a meeting right now. | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | should I just commit it? | 01:00 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: yeah | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | it validates for you? | 01:01 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: yup | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | k | 01:01 |
| robotgeek | thanks | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | done | 01:03 |
| robotgeek | ty | 01:03 |
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| Burglaptop | holy crap! There is a large scale, gov't funded Ubuntu deployment happening on the Island right now | 03:37 |
| Burglaptop | http://www.silc.ca/drupal/?q=node/62 | 03:42 |
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| Burglaptop | Madpilot: holy crap! There is a large scale, gov't funded Ubuntu deployment happening on the Island right now | 04:54 |
| Burglaptop | http://www.silc.ca/drupal/?q=node/62 | 04:54 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop, yeah, saw your email - that's very cool | 04:56 |
| Burglaptop | amazing what you turn up when you start looking | 04:56 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop, have you contacted SILC yourself? | 04:57 |
| Burglaptop | I went down to Project Literacy Victoria tonight and chatted with a women there who showed me her lab | 04:57 |
| Burglaptop | she said "and here was have 5 windows XP Pro machines and here is a machine we are testing an open source OS called Ubuntu. Have you heard of it?" | 04:57 |
| Burglaptop | then she told me about SILC | 04:58 |
| Madpilot | heh | 04:58 |
| robotgeek | :) | 04:58 |
| Burglaptop | I am going to be chatting with SILC tomorrow | 04:58 |
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| Burglaptop | on another note. I am trying to bulk up my chapter on Ubuntu over time | 04:58 |
| robotgeek | howdy bhuvan | 04:58 |
| Madpilot | your what? | 04:58 |
| Burglaptop | do you lot have any suggestions of about periodic maintence, except for security updates and deborphan? | 04:59 |
| Burglaptop | oh, and the ca. mirror appears to be dead | 04:59 |
| Madpilot | I stopped using the ca archive about two weeks ago, it was acting up then stopped totally... | 05:00 |
| Burglaptop | it is amazing how much desktop linux is actually out there | 05:05 |
| Madpilot | ... lurking... <cue spooky music> :p | 05:08 |
| Burglaptop | nah, think lost kid. Que World Vision sad music. "For only dollars a day, you can support this lonely Linux desktop installation" | 05:10 |
| Burglaptop | black and white shots of malnourished developers | 05:10 |
| robotgeek | Burglaptop: don't forget doc writers :) | 05:14 |
| robotgeek | phew, finished sorting 10 gb's of music | 05:14 |
| Madpilot | only 10Gb? ;) | 05:16 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i gotta sort thru some more | 05:16 |
| robotgeek | yay, i got SVN access! | 05:16 |
| bhuvan | robotgeek, congrats! | 05:16 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, i guess you were waiting for the same ? | 05:17 |
| robotgeek | sadly, i have nothing more to commit today, lol | 05:17 |
| Madpilot | hey, the email just arrived - cool! | 05:17 |
| Madpilot | (for commit access, that is) | 05:17 |
| Madpilot | I'll sort it out after I eat | 05:18 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: congrats, (again) | 05:18 |
| robotgeek | by the end of this week, i would like you guys to review KDG and offer suggestions | 05:20 |
| Burglaptop | robotgeek: Madpilot and I are exclusively gnome users | 05:21 |
| robotgeek | Burglaptop: style wise, maybe. | 05:22 |
| Burglaptop | robotgeek: sure, I should be able to | 05:22 |
| robotgeek | anyways, you guys might want to rip out the office section from KDG | 05:22 |
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| Burglaptop | robotgeek: what is Kubuntu shipping? OO.o or KOffice? | 05:25 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, I'll do a proofreading run thru KDG for you if you want - style & typos & such | 05:30 |
| Madpilot | UDG seems to be mostly finished for now - I'll do one more pass thru it sometime this week | 05:31 |
| Madpilot | dinner, back later | 05:31 |
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| Burglaptop | robitaille: you see the exciting news? | 05:39 |
| robitaille | Burglaptop: news? | 05:41 |
| Burglaptop | robitaille: you subscribed to gnome-ca, ubuntu-ca or vlug discuss? | 05:41 |
| robitaille | oh...just saw your email on vlug. cool | 05:41 |
| Burglaptop | ok, styles and OO.o are pissing me off | 05:53 |
| Burglaptop | they appear to work in FC4 | 05:53 |
| Burglaptop | hey that is cool. Ubuntu is not a typo in OO.o by default | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | really? | 05:56 |
| Burglaptop | I think so | 05:56 |
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| Madpilot | cool, commit access decrypted - now off to read the rest of the SVN documentation :P | 06:01 |
| robotgeek | Burglaptop: openoffice | 06:01 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: did you svn access just come back again?' | 06:02 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop, I never had it, I'd lost the password to my first GPG key | 06:02 |
| Burglaptop | robotgeek: that is what I thought. Be careful about discussing things like koffice, as they duplicate functionality in the core install and might simply confuse | 06:03 |
| robotgeek | Burglaptop: ah, okay. | 06:03 |
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| robotgeek | Madpilot: yes, please do proofread :) | 06:58 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, will do - sometime this week, not sure when | 06:58 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: take your time, i will be updating and fixin a few more things. Lots more to do | 06:58 |
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| robotgeek | jsgotangco: i got SVN commit access :) | 07:25 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek, woooo congrats m8 | 07:26 |
| Madpilot | mine finally arrived too | 07:26 |
| robotgeek | expect a commit spree from tommorow, lol | 07:27 |
| Madpilot | hmm, fun in #edubuntu... | 07:32 |
| Burglaptop | indeed | 07:33 |
| robotgeek | damn, just missed it. i see lilo there, which is not good :) | 07:33 |
| Burglaptop | you can read the log | 07:33 |
| Madpilot | someone was changing the topic there, and claiming their irc client had been hacked | 07:34 |
| Burglaptop | he also wanted to know how to hack like they did on some PBS kids computer show | 07:34 |
| Madpilot | missed that part, I just showed up in time to watch everyone talk at lilo | 07:35 |
| Burglaptop | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html | 07:36 |
| Burglaptop | see the fun | 07:36 |
| Burglaptop | ah, cyberchase, that is the pbskids program | 07:36 |
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| Madpilot | entertaining log - I assume the little troll got banned? | 07:41 |
| robotgeek | Burglaptop: no ops there? | 07:41 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: no | 07:41 |
| manicka | do we have a troll in our midst? | 07:42 |
| Madpilot | on #edubuntu - fun's over, though | 07:42 |
| Madpilot | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html | 07:43 |
| robotgeek | manicka: hmm, try the kdg now, it should validate. i apparently missed a chapter, lol | 07:43 |
| manicka | ta | 07:43 |
| Burglaptop | hmm, our op situation on most channels is pretty bad | 08:02 |
| Madpilot | the main chan. coverage is getting better (I must have been insane to volunteer, though...) | 08:04 |
| Burglaptop | I really should remove myself. I am never there now | 08:04 |
| Burglaptop | maybe I should keep it, just for the airstrike-like quality of having an op join and kick them | 08:05 |
| Madpilot | "I love the smell of kickbanned troll in the morning" | 08:05 |
| === rob got accused of being a clone or something of that guy | ||
| Burglaptop | rob: sadly yes | 08:10 |
| rob | the op situation should be sorted at this CC meeting | 08:10 |
| Burglaptop | ok, the tab completion in xchat-gnome is borked | 08:10 |
| Burglaptop | rather than cycle through the options, it just lists them | 08:10 |
| Burglaptop | I will deal with it | 08:10 |
| Madpilot | rob, someone didn't notice the ubuntu cloak when they ran whois on you... or they didn't bother to run whois at all | 08:11 |
| rob | Madpilot, yeah probably :) | 08:11 |
| rob | lilo was paged in for that job | 08:11 |
| Burglaptop | which I guess is what bash does, but it doesn't complete on rob, when in fact a nick named rob | 08:12 |
| rob | I think he was sleeping or something | 08:12 |
| Madpilot | I think a bunch of people pm'd lilo | 08:12 |
| rob | Madpilot, no, lilo has a pager that staff can page him on, I'd done it a bunch of times | 08:13 |
| Madpilot | ah | 08:13 |
| rob | s/I'd/I've | 08:13 |
| rob | we had a lot of GNAA problems a while ago, that was an instant page when they showed up | 08:14 |
| rob | lovely people, them | 08:15 |
| rob | ah*scriptkiddies*choo..! | 08:15 |
| jsgotangco | i gotta go | 08:20 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 08:20 |
| Burglaptop | hmm, "Other activities in Wiesbaden, Germany: May 3-12, 2006" | 08:27 |
| Burglaptop | from JeffWaugh | 08:27 |
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| robitaille | that restart icon in Dapper after some upgrades really reminds me of Windows... | 08:33 |
| Burglaptop | that icon should be replaced soon | 08:34 |
| Burglaptop | but in reality, a stable system is only going to see that icon about once | 08:34 |
| robitaille | we should see it after any kernel security upgrade, no? | 08:35 |
| Burglaptop | yes, but how many has breezy had? | 08:35 |
| Burglaptop | oh, and dbus updates | 08:36 |
| Burglaptop | dbus developers need to get on the d-Unix bus and realize that userspace services should not require restarts | 08:37 |
| robitaille | Burglaptop: 4 times for Breezy. So once a month | 08:37 |
| Burglaptop | about the same as a WinXP box, as MS only updates XP once a month | 08:38 |
| robitaille | So it's back to my original point: it reminds me of Windows :) | 08:39 |
| Burglaptop | indeed | 08:39 |
| Burglaptop | actually, we are worse than windows, as Windows will do the actually installing when you shutting down normally, thus saving a reboot in the middle fo work | 08:40 |
| mdke | morning | 08:40 |
| Burglaptop | morning mdke | 08:42 |
| mdke | :) | 08:47 |
| Burglaptop | it is almost morning here. Another 17 minutes | 08:47 |
| mdke | haha | 08:47 |
| mdke | mpt_, ping? | 08:49 |
| mdke | AboutUbuntu? is it going to happen? | 08:49 |
| rob | hmm, I thought of some Automatix/Easyubuntu basted child when I first read that | 08:50 |
| mdke | eh? it's just an about window | 08:52 |
| robitaille | anyone knows in which package the default bookmarks of Firefox live? I just noticed it still contains a reference to bugzilla.u.c | 08:56 |
| mdke | i think they are in mozilla-firefox | 08:57 |
| robitaille | thanks | 08:57 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: that is now the fourth attempt to shutdown that bloody initng crack thread | 09:01 |
| mdke | true | 09:01 |
| mdke | and the 40th attempt to generally stop the noise | 09:01 |
| Burglaptop | fedora-devel and debian-devel are even more noisy | 09:01 |
| mdke | i'm hoping the "developers have stopped reading this list" warning will sink in | 09:01 |
| Burglaptop | because nobody tries | 09:01 |
| Burglaptop | I find it interesting the people who post to -devel | 09:02 |
| mdke | some of them are extraordinary | 09:02 |
| Burglaptop | there are two major camps: the actual developers and those that just want to talk about something | 09:02 |
| mdke | there was a mini-thread about debugging a Window XP problem! | 09:02 |
| mdke | crazy shit | 09:03 |
| Burglaptop | some of us who are well respected but not developers rarely post | 09:03 |
| mdke | I only post to ask people to be quiet :) | 09:03 |
| Burglaptop | indeed, as do robitaille and seveas | 09:03 |
| mdke | mmm | 09:03 |
| mdke | although it's important to be patient, especially with newcomers | 09:04 |
| Burglaptop | yes, not biting their heads off is good, but also being firm | 09:04 |
| mdke | that guy was right, if someone comes along saying "how can I help", it's really out of order to say "not by posting here" | 09:04 |
| Madpilot | someone actually said that on one of the -devel lists? | 09:05 |
| Burglaptop | I need to merge HelpingUbuntu and /community/participate | 09:05 |
| mdke | yeah, Seveas | 09:05 |
| Madpilot | out of patience from stupidity on #ubuntu, probably :P | 09:05 |
| mdke | possibly | 09:05 |
| mdke | damn we really need to know if AboutUbuntu is going to happen | 09:06 |
| mdke | mpt_ !!! please reply | 09:06 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: I don't think it is | 09:06 |
| mdke | gah | 09:06 |
| mdke | i'll mail him | 09:07 |
| Burglaptop | because mpt_ mentioned at UBZ that he had run out of pygtk skills and nobody else stood up and helped him | 09:07 |
| robitaille | humm...someone reported 5 weeks ago that bugzilla.u.c is still in the firefox bookmarks... (bug 28896) | 09:07 |
| mdke | Burglaptop, he's worked on it since then | 09:07 |
| Madpilot | bugzilla.u.c should still redirect to the malone page - just yanking it seems uncool | 09:08 |
| Burglaptop | yes, but only really picked at it | 09:08 |
| mdke | robitaille, it'll get fixed I'm sure. Firefox has a major bug right now | 09:08 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:08 |
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| mpt_ | hi mdke, do you know pygtk? | 09:10 |
| Burglaptop | mdke: ping (testing connection) | 09:13 |
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| mdke | mpt_, no | 09:18 |
| mdke | Burglaptop, yes | 09:18 |
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| Burglaptop | mdke: hmm, bloody connection. It should randomly dropped for about 2 minutes there | 09:21 |
| mdke | mpt_, does that mean it's not happening? | 09:21 |
| Burglaptop | wow, I am tired. That last sentence made absolutely no sense | 09:22 |
| mpt_ | mdke, FeatureFreeze has started and I hardly have any time | 09:23 |
| mpt_ | I'll see what I can do | 09:23 |
| mdke | mpt_, ok, but we really need to know soon, because if not we need to work on the alternative, which sucks | 09:24 |
| mdke | -> work | 09:26 |
| Madpilot | someone want to give me the 30 second guide to using SVN commit? | 09:31 |
| Madpilot | if I do "svn commit ~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide" it'll commit all my desktopguide changes, and prompt for password, right? | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | anyone? I'd rather not screw our SVN repo up with my first commit... :P | 09:34 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot: you can also tell it what you username is password is with -u and -p | 09:35 |
| Madpilot | OK - I need to put a -m tag in there too, I see | 09:36 |
| Madpilot | so "svn commit ~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide -m "UDG updates & editing" -u <password>" | 09:37 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, you can enter the password just once and it will be stored in ~/.subversion and you need not pass/use the password anymore | 09:39 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, ever its good to do 'svn diff' before running 'svn commit' and confirm we commit only the files we intend to | 09:39 |
| Madpilot | in this case, I'm changing most of the files in /ubuntu/desktop | 09:40 |
| Madpilot | if I add -p <pw> to my first commit, it'll be remembered, right? | 09:41 |
| Burglaptop | night all | 09:45 |
| Madpilot | later | 09:45 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, you can just run 'cd ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide && svn commit'. first time it will prompt for password and consequent times it wont | 09:46 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, if you prefer to use password in command line use '--password' option. refer 'svn commit --help' for details | 09:46 |
| Madpilot | bhuvan, thanks, I've been reading the docs & svnbook, but needed a bit of clarification | 09:48 |
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| Madpilot | hmm, our SVN repo doesn't seem to be recognizing my new password... | 10:10 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, it will. it is case sensitive | 10:12 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, what kind of issue you face ? | 10:12 |
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| Madpilot | I copied & pasted the pw right off the GPG decrypt | 10:14 |
| Madpilot | bhuvan, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9585 | 10:15 |
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| Madpilot | thanks | 10:15 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, what is your user id ? | 10:16 |
| bhuvan | is it brian ? | 10:16 |
| Madpilot | as far as I know, yeah | 10:16 |
| Madpilot | haven't even thought about it since I set the svn up ages ago | 10:16 |
| bhuvan | ok, whats your email id ? | 10:16 |
| bhuvan | s/(email id)/ubuntu $1/g | 10:17 |
| Madpilot | blurdesign@gmail.com - is that actually my ID? | 10:17 |
| Madpilot | my LP name, right? | 10:17 |
| bhuvan | what is your ubuntu email id ? | 10:17 |
| Madpilot | as above - blurdesign@gmail.com | 10:17 |
| bhuvan | whats your lp URL ? | 10:18 |
| Madpilot | https://launchpad.net/people/yh728 - from an older email addy - should I try that? | 10:18 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, generally lp user id = svn user id, i guess. just to confirm i have send an email to your account | 10:20 |
| Madpilot | got it sorted - my svn id is "yh728" still | 10:21 |
| bhuvan | see if you have received an email to blurdesign@gmail.com and check the to-id as well | 10:21 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, yes | 10:21 |
| bhuvan | so, your email id is yh728@ubuntu.com | 10:21 |
| Madpilot | can I change that in LP without majorly screwing things up? | 10:22 |
| Madpilot | like SVN commit access, now that I finally have it? | 10:22 |
| bhuvan | "can I change that" = ? | 10:23 |
| Madpilot | change my LP name from "yh728" to something that actually means something, I mean | 10:23 |
| bhuvan | nope, i guess. the ubuntu user id is tied to lp account. so, the svn access and email id | 10:24 |
| Madpilot | gah. LP got that from an old email addy, it would be nice to get it changed to 'bburger' or something | 10:24 |
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| bhuvan | Madpilot, out of box lp does not handle it, i guess. we should check with lp admin | 10:28 |
| Madpilot | is the easiest way to do that to file a Support Request thru LP? | 10:29 |
| Madpilot | or just thru email? | 10:30 |
| bhuvan | i guess support request through lp is a best option | 10:30 |
| Madpilot | OK, I'll do that - thanks again | 10:31 |
| Madpilot | People are going to wonder who the heck "yh728" is on the docteam commits :P | 10:31 |
| bhuvan | ofcourse! :) :) | 10:31 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot also check with mdke/jsgotangco if we can route it through dholbach or Seveas to get it done quickly, just a thought though | 10:34 |
| Madpilot | sure - I'll mail the list just now | 10:35 |
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| jjesse | just wanted to let people know that i'm redoing the adept guide from scratch as it is all of date | 07:03 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: cool | 07:03 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: what is the best way to link to other kde documentation? | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | nothing like starting over from scratch ;-) | 07:03 |
| jjesse | did everyone see the announcement on the fridge about the ubuntu book | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | no | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | I'll go check it out | 07:04 |
| robotgeek | yup, i caught it..very nice | 07:04 |
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| jjesse | hopefully i hear back soon on my second draft, though i will probablly have changes to with adept being updated at the last minute | 07:10 |
| Burgwork | mdke, you there? | 07:16 |
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| mdke | Burgwork, vaguely | 09:51 |
| Burgwork | mdke, given last nights fun in #edubuntu , I realized we need to be more proactive with ops in various channels | 09:52 |
| mdke | aha | 09:53 |
| Burgwork | mdke, any objections to adding myself and jerome to the list of ops for this channel? | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: fun in #edubuntu? | 09:53 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, we had a troll/young kid having fun | 09:54 |
| Burgwork | had to call in lilo as only highvoltage has ops | 09:54 |
| mdke | no objection, although I've never seen any of that here | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | hmm, seems like most of the support channels are having problems | 09:54 |
| Burgwork | I had never seen it before in #edubuntu, but this is about proactively preventing it | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | makes sense | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | hope it wasn't theCore, his little brother has been causing him lots of problems :( | 09:56 |
| Burgwork | mdke, anybody you can think of that in the 0800 to 1600 UTC timezone? | 09:56 |
| Burgwork | as I can pretty reliably be on 2000 UTC to 0800 UTC, at home or work | 09:57 |
| mdke | Burgwork, i can't think of anyone, but i don't think we need to be paranoid about it | 10:02 |
| Burgwork | ok. I think all the trolls are American anyway... ;) | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | yeah, us Americans are a trolling lot ;-) | 10:04 |
| mdke | Burgwork, you don't have a hostmask/ | 10:04 |
| mdke | ? | 10:04 |
| Burgwork | such as /ubuntu/member ? | 10:05 |
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| mdke | or something else | 10:06 |
| Burgwork | mdke, if you op Burgundavia, all my other nicks are linked to it | 10:06 |
| mdke | i can't op a nick | 10:06 |
| mdke | i need a hostmask, i think | 10:06 |
| Burgwork | Seveas did it on #edubuntu | 10:06 |
| mdke | hang on | 10:06 |
| mdke | ah shit, I can't add people | 10:07 |
| Burgwork | I think you need jdub for that | 10:07 |
| Burgwork | he is active right now | 10:07 |
| mdke | i need ChrisH | 10:08 |
| mdke | jdub has the same access level as I do | 10:08 |
| Burgwork | oh geez | 10:08 |
| mdke | no problem, I'll ask him | 10:08 |
| Burgwork | this is part of the cleanup we need to do | 10:08 |
| Burgwork | most of the channels are pretty adhoc | 10:08 |
| mdke | ok, I'll sort it and let you know | 10:09 |
| Burgwork | cheers, thanks | 10:09 |
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| mdke | afk | 10:10 |
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