[12:41] <robotgeek> hmm, i apparently left out add-applications
[12:42] <LaserJock> bad robotgeek :)
[12:42] <robotgeek> the diff doesn't show svn added files
[12:42] <robotgeek> LaserJock: the best way to send in a new file is?
[12:43] <LaserJock> robotgeek: you should be able to do a "svn add" and svn diff it
[12:43] <LaserJock> you aren't able to?
[12:44] <robotgeek> LaserJock: nope, it doesn't diff
[12:44] <robotgeek> oh, you mean svn diff file.xml
[12:44] <robotgeek> okay, that works. but just svn diff doesn't
[12:44] <LaserJock> just svn diff at the top of the repo
[12:52] <robotgeek> LaserJock: thanks, that worked. mailed
[12:52] <robotgeek> now to find someone to commit, lol 
[12:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I have no idea what you're talking about :-)
[12:55] <robotgeek> LaserJock: heh, i now have a go ahead on all commits related to KDG :)
[12:57] <LaserJock> it's not validating for me.
[12:57] <robotgeek> LaserJock: can you pasteibn the error?
[12:57] <LaserJock> just a sec
[12:58] <LaserJock> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9569
[12:59] <robotgeek> LaserJock: apparently you need to install a kde package
[01:00] <LaserJock> but should that matter? I don't know that the repo should be that dependent on outside packages
[01:00] <robotgeek> kdelibs-data
[01:00] <robotgeek> cause it's a kde documentation shared entity file
[01:00] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I've got a meeting right now.
[01:00] <LaserJock> should I just commit it?
[01:01] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yeah
[01:01] <LaserJock> it validates for you?
[01:01] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yup
[01:01] <LaserJock> k
[01:01] <robotgeek> thanks
[01:03] <LaserJock> done
[01:03] <robotgeek> ty
[03:37] <Burglaptop> holy crap! There is a large scale, gov't funded Ubuntu deployment happening on the Island right now
[03:42] <Burglaptop> http://www.silc.ca/drupal/?q=node/62
[04:54] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: holy crap! There is a large scale, gov't funded Ubuntu deployment happening on the Island right now
[04:54] <Burglaptop> http://www.silc.ca/drupal/?q=node/62
[04:56] <Madpilot> Burglaptop, yeah, saw your email - that's very cool
[04:56] <Burglaptop> amazing what you turn up when you start looking
[04:57] <Madpilot> Burglaptop, have you contacted SILC yourself?
[04:57] <Burglaptop> I went down to Project Literacy Victoria tonight and chatted with a women there who showed me her lab
[04:57] <Burglaptop> she said "and here was have 5 windows XP Pro machines and here is a machine we are testing an open source OS called Ubuntu. Have you heard of it?"
[04:58] <Burglaptop> then she told me about SILC
[04:58] <Madpilot> heh
[04:58] <robotgeek> :)
[04:58] <Burglaptop> I am going to be chatting with SILC tomorrow
[04:58] <Burglaptop> on another note. I am trying to bulk up my chapter on Ubuntu over time
[04:58] <robotgeek> howdy bhuvan 
[04:58] <Madpilot> your what?
[04:59] <Burglaptop> do you lot have any suggestions of about periodic maintence, except for security updates and deborphan?
[04:59] <Burglaptop> oh, and the ca. mirror appears to be dead
[05:00] <Madpilot> I stopped using the ca archive about two weeks ago, it was acting up then stopped totally...
[05:05] <Burglaptop> it is amazing how much desktop linux is actually out there
[05:08] <Madpilot> ... lurking... <cue spooky music> :p
[05:10] <Burglaptop> nah, think lost kid. Que World Vision sad music. "For only dollars a day, you can support this lonely Linux desktop installation"
[05:10] <Burglaptop> black and white shots of malnourished developers
[05:14] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: don't forget doc writers :)
[05:14] <robotgeek> phew, finished sorting 10 gb's of music
[05:16] <Madpilot> only 10Gb? ;)
[05:16] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i gotta sort thru some more
[05:16] <robotgeek> yay, i got SVN access!
[05:16] <bhuvan> robotgeek, congrats!
[05:17] <bhuvan> Madpilot, i guess you were waiting for the same ?
[05:17] <robotgeek> sadly, i have nothing more to commit today, lol
[05:17] <Madpilot> hey, the email just arrived - cool!
[05:17] <Madpilot> (for commit access, that is)
[05:18] <Madpilot> I'll sort it out after I eat
[05:18] <robotgeek> Madpilot: congrats, (again)
[05:20] <robotgeek> by the end of this week, i would like you guys to review KDG and offer suggestions
[05:21] <Burglaptop> robotgeek: Madpilot and I are exclusively gnome users
[05:22] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: style wise, maybe. 
[05:22] <Burglaptop> robotgeek: sure, I should be able to
[05:22] <robotgeek> anyways, you guys might want to rip out the office section from KDG
[05:25] <Burglaptop> robotgeek: what is Kubuntu shipping? OO.o or KOffice?
[05:30] <Madpilot> robotgeek, I'll do a proofreading run thru KDG for you if you want - style & typos & such
[05:31] <Madpilot> UDG seems to be mostly finished for now - I'll do one more pass thru it sometime this week
[05:31] <Madpilot> dinner, back later
[05:39] <Burglaptop> robitaille: you see the exciting news?
[05:41] <robitaille> Burglaptop:  news?
[05:41] <Burglaptop> robitaille: you subscribed to gnome-ca, ubuntu-ca or vlug discuss?
[05:41] <robitaille> oh...just saw your email on vlug. cool
[05:53] <Burglaptop> ok, styles and OO.o are pissing me off
[05:53] <Burglaptop> they appear to work in FC4
[05:55] <Burglaptop> hey that is cool. Ubuntu is not a typo in OO.o by default
[05:56] <LaserJock> really?
[05:56] <Burglaptop> I think so
[06:01] <Madpilot> cool, commit access decrypted - now off to read the rest of the SVN documentation :P
[06:01] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: openoffice
[06:02] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: did you svn access just come back again?'
[06:02] <Madpilot> Burglaptop, I never had it, I'd lost the password to my first GPG key
[06:03] <Burglaptop> robotgeek: that is what I thought. Be careful about discussing things like koffice, as they duplicate functionality in the core install and might simply confuse
[06:03] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: ah, okay. 
[06:58] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yes, please do proofread :)
[06:58] <Madpilot> robotgeek, will do - sometime this week, not sure when
[06:58] <robotgeek> Madpilot: take your time, i will be updating and fixin a few more things. Lots more to do
[07:25] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i got SVN commit access :)
[07:26] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, woooo congrats m8
[07:26] <Madpilot> mine finally arrived too
[07:27] <robotgeek> expect a commit spree from tommorow, lol
[07:32] <Madpilot> hmm, fun in #edubuntu...
[07:33] <Burglaptop> indeed
[07:33] <robotgeek> damn, just missed it. i see lilo there, which is not good :)
[07:33] <Burglaptop> you can read  the log
[07:34] <Madpilot> someone was changing the topic there, and claiming their irc client had been hacked
[07:34] <Burglaptop> he also wanted to know how to hack like they did on some PBS kids computer show
[07:35] <Madpilot> missed that part, I just showed up in time to watch everyone talk at lilo 
[07:36] <Burglaptop> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html
[07:36] <Burglaptop> see the fun
[07:36] <Burglaptop> ah, cyberchase, that is the pbskids program
[07:41] <Madpilot> entertaining log - I assume the little troll got banned?
[07:41] <robotgeek> Burglaptop: no ops there?
[07:41] <robotgeek> Madpilot: no
[07:42] <manicka> do we have a troll in our midst?
[07:42] <Madpilot> on #edubuntu - fun's over, though
[07:43] <Madpilot> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html
[07:43] <robotgeek> manicka: hmm, try the kdg now, it should validate. i apparently missed a chapter, lol
[07:43] <manicka> ta
[08:02] <Burglaptop> hmm, our op situation on most channels is pretty bad
[08:04] <Madpilot> the main chan. coverage is getting better (I must have been insane to volunteer, though...)
[08:04] <Burglaptop> I really should remove myself. I am never there now
[08:05] <Burglaptop> maybe I should keep it, just for the airstrike-like quality of having an op join and kick them
[08:05] <Madpilot> "I love the smell of kickbanned troll in the morning"
[08:10] <Burglaptop> rob: sadly yes
[08:10] <rob> the op situation should be sorted at this CC meeting
[08:10] <Burglaptop> ok, the tab completion in xchat-gnome is borked
[08:10] <Burglaptop> rather than cycle through the options, it just lists them
[08:10] <Burglaptop> I will deal with it
[08:11] <Madpilot> rob, someone didn't notice the ubuntu cloak when they ran whois on you... or they didn't bother to run whois at all
[08:11] <rob> Madpilot, yeah probably :)
[08:11] <rob> lilo was paged in for that job
[08:12] <Burglaptop> which I guess is what bash does, but it doesn't complete on rob, when in fact a nick named rob
[08:12] <rob> I think he was sleeping or something
[08:12] <Madpilot> I think a bunch of people pm'd lilo
[08:13] <rob> Madpilot, no, lilo has a pager that staff can page him on, I'd done it a bunch of times
[08:13] <Madpilot> ah
[08:13] <rob> s/I'd/I've
[08:14] <rob> we had a lot of GNAA problems a while ago, that was an instant page when they showed up
[08:15] <rob> lovely people, them
[08:15] <rob> ah*scriptkiddies*choo..!
[08:20] <jsgotangco> i gotta go
[08:20] <jsgotangco> brb
[08:27] <Burglaptop> hmm, "Other activities in Wiesbaden, Germany: May 3-12, 2006"
[08:27] <Burglaptop> from JeffWaugh
[08:33] <robitaille> that restart icon in Dapper after some upgrades really reminds me of Windows...
[08:34] <Burglaptop> that icon should be replaced soon
[08:34] <Burglaptop> but in reality, a stable system is only going to see that icon about once
[08:35] <robitaille> we should see it after any kernel security upgrade, no?
[08:35] <Burglaptop> yes, but how many has breezy had?
[08:36] <Burglaptop> oh, and dbus updates
[08:37] <Burglaptop> dbus developers need to get on the d-Unix bus and realize that userspace services should not require restarts
[08:37] <robitaille> Burglaptop:  4 times for Breezy.  So once a month
[08:38] <Burglaptop> about the same as a WinXP box, as MS only updates XP once a month
[08:39] <robitaille> So it's back to my original point:  it reminds me of Windows :)
[08:39] <Burglaptop> indeed
[08:40] <Burglaptop> actually, we are worse than windows, as Windows will do the actually installing when you shutting down normally, thus saving a reboot in the middle fo work
[08:40] <mdke> morning
[08:42] <Burglaptop> morning mdke
[08:47] <mdke> :)
[08:47] <Burglaptop> it is almost morning here. Another 17 minutes
[08:47] <mdke> haha
[08:49] <mdke> mpt_, ping?
[08:49] <mdke> AboutUbuntu? is it going to happen?
[08:50] <rob> hmm, I thought of some Automatix/Easyubuntu basted child when I first read that
[08:52] <mdke> eh? it's just an about window
[08:56] <robitaille> anyone knows in which package the default bookmarks of Firefox live?   I just noticed it still contains a reference to bugzilla.u.c
[08:57] <mdke> i think they are in mozilla-firefox
[08:57] <robitaille> thanks
[09:01] <Burglaptop> mdke: that is now the fourth attempt to shutdown that bloody initng crack thread
[09:01] <mdke> true
[09:01] <mdke> and the 40th attempt to generally stop the noise
[09:01] <Burglaptop> fedora-devel and debian-devel are even more noisy
[09:01] <mdke> i'm hoping the "developers have stopped reading this list" warning will sink in
[09:01] <Burglaptop> because nobody tries
[09:02] <Burglaptop> I find it interesting the people who post to -devel
[09:02] <mdke> some of them are extraordinary
[09:02] <Burglaptop> there are two major camps: the actual developers and those that just want to talk about something
[09:02] <mdke> there was a mini-thread about debugging a Window XP problem!
[09:03] <mdke> crazy shit
[09:03] <Burglaptop> some of us who are well respected but not developers rarely post
[09:03] <mdke> I only post to ask people to be quiet :)
[09:03] <Burglaptop> indeed, as do robitaille and seveas
[09:03] <mdke> mmm
[09:04] <mdke> although it's important to be patient, especially with newcomers
[09:04] <Burglaptop> yes, not biting their heads off is good, but also being firm
[09:04] <mdke> that guy was right, if someone comes along saying "how can I help", it's really out of order to say "not by posting here"
[09:05] <Madpilot> someone actually said that on one of the -devel lists?
[09:05] <Burglaptop> I need to merge HelpingUbuntu and /community/participate
[09:05] <mdke> yeah, Seveas
[09:05] <Madpilot> out of patience from stupidity on #ubuntu, probably :P
[09:05] <mdke> possibly
[09:06] <mdke> damn we really need to know if AboutUbuntu is going to happen
[09:06] <mdke> mpt_ !!! please reply
[09:06] <Burglaptop> mdke: I don't think it is
[09:06] <mdke> gah
[09:07] <mdke> i'll mail him
[09:07] <Burglaptop> because mpt_ mentioned at UBZ that he had run out of pygtk skills and nobody else stood up and helped him
[09:07] <robitaille> humm...someone reported 5 weeks ago that bugzilla.u.c is still in the firefox bookmarks... (bug 28896)
[09:07] <mdke> Burglaptop, he's worked on it since then
[09:08] <Madpilot> bugzilla.u.c should still redirect to the malone page - just yanking it seems uncool
[09:08] <Burglaptop> yes, but only really picked at it
[09:08] <mdke> robitaille, it'll get fixed I'm sure. Firefox has a major bug right now
[09:08] <mdke> hmm
[09:10] <mpt_> hi mdke, do you know pygtk?
[09:13] <Burglaptop> mdke: ping (testing connection)
[09:18] <mdke> mpt_, no
[09:18] <mdke> Burglaptop, yes
[09:21] <Burglaptop> mdke: hmm, bloody connection. It should randomly dropped for about 2 minutes there
[09:21] <mdke> mpt_, does that mean it's not happening?
[09:22] <Burglaptop> wow, I am tired. That last sentence made absolutely no sense
[09:23] <mpt_> mdke, FeatureFreeze has started and I hardly have any time
[09:23] <mpt_> I'll see what I can do
[09:24] <mdke> mpt_, ok, but we really need to know soon, because if not we need to work on the alternative, which sucks
[09:26] <mdke> -> work
[09:31] <Madpilot> someone want to give me the 30 second guide to using SVN commit?
[09:32] <Madpilot> if I do "svn commit ~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide" it'll commit all my desktopguide changes, and prompt for password, right?
[09:34] <Madpilot> anyone? I'd rather not screw our SVN repo up with my first commit... :P
[09:35] <Burglaptop> Madpilot: you can also tell it what you username is password is with -u and -p
[09:36] <Madpilot> OK - I need to put a -m tag in there too, I see
[09:37] <Madpilot> so "svn commit ~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide -m "UDG updates & editing" -u <password>"
[09:39] <bhuvan> Madpilot, you can enter the password just once and it will be stored in ~/.subversion and you need not pass/use the password anymore
[09:39] <bhuvan> Madpilot, ever its good to do 'svn diff' before running 'svn commit' and confirm we commit only the files we intend to
[09:40] <Madpilot> in this case, I'm changing most of the files in /ubuntu/desktop
[09:41] <Madpilot> if I add -p <pw> to my first commit, it'll be remembered, right?
[09:45] <Burglaptop> night all
[09:45] <Madpilot> later
[09:46] <bhuvan> Madpilot, you can just run 'cd ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide && svn commit'. first time it will prompt for password and consequent times it wont
[09:46] <bhuvan> Madpilot, if you prefer to use password in command line use '--password' option. refer 'svn commit --help' for details
[09:48] <Madpilot> bhuvan, thanks, I've been reading the docs & svnbook, but needed a bit of clarification
[10:10] <Madpilot> hmm, our SVN repo doesn't seem to be recognizing my new password...
[10:12] <bhuvan> Madpilot, it will. it is case sensitive
[10:12] <bhuvan> Madpilot, what kind of issue you face ? 
[10:14] <Madpilot> I copied & pasted the pw right off the GPG decrypt
[10:15] <Madpilot> bhuvan, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9585
[10:15] <Madpilot> thanks
[10:16] <bhuvan> Madpilot, what is your user id ?
[10:16] <bhuvan> is it brian ?
[10:16] <Madpilot> as far as I know, yeah
[10:16] <Madpilot> haven't even thought about it since I set the svn up ages ago
[10:16] <bhuvan> ok, whats your email id ?
[10:17] <bhuvan> s/(email id)/ubuntu $1/g
[10:17] <Madpilot> blurdesign@gmail.com - is that actually my ID?
[10:17] <Madpilot> my LP name, right?
[10:17] <bhuvan> what is your ubuntu email id ?
[10:17] <Madpilot> as above - blurdesign@gmail.com
[10:18] <bhuvan> whats your lp URL ?
[10:18] <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/people/yh728 - from an older email addy - should I try that?
[10:20] <bhuvan> Madpilot, generally lp user id = svn user id, i guess. just to confirm i have send an email to your account
[10:21] <Madpilot> got it sorted - my svn id is "yh728" still
[10:21] <bhuvan> see if you have received an email to blurdesign@gmail.com and check the to-id as well
[10:21] <bhuvan> Madpilot, yes
[10:21] <bhuvan> so, your email id is yh728@ubuntu.com
[10:22] <Madpilot> can I change that in LP without majorly screwing things up?
[10:22] <Madpilot> like SVN commit access, now that I finally have it?
[10:23] <bhuvan> "can I change that" = ?
[10:23] <Madpilot> change my LP name from "yh728" to something that actually means something, I mean
[10:24] <bhuvan> nope, i guess. the ubuntu user id is tied to lp account. so, the svn access and email id
[10:24] <Madpilot> gah. LP got that from an old email addy, it would be nice to get it changed to 'bburger' or something
[10:28] <bhuvan> Madpilot, out of box lp does not handle it, i guess. we should check with lp admin
[10:29] <Madpilot> is the easiest way to do that to file a Support Request thru LP?
[10:30] <Madpilot> or just thru email?
[10:30] <bhuvan> i guess support request through lp is a best option
[10:31] <Madpilot> OK, I'll do that - thanks again
[10:31] <Madpilot> People are going to wonder who the heck "yh728" is on the docteam commits :P
[10:31] <bhuvan> ofcourse! :) :)
[10:34] <bhuvan> Madpilot also check with mdke/jsgotangco if we can route it through dholbach or Seveas to get it done quickly, just a thought though
[10:35] <Madpilot> sure - I'll mail the list just now
[07:03] <jjesse> just wanted to let people know that i'm redoing the adept guide from scratch as it is all of date
[07:03] <robotgeek> jjesse: cool
[07:03] <robotgeek> jjesse: what is the best way to link to other kde documentation?
[07:03] <LaserJock> nothing like starting over from scratch ;-)
[07:03] <jjesse> did everyone see the announcement on the fridge about the ubuntu book
[07:04] <LaserJock> no
[07:04] <LaserJock> I'll go check it out
[07:04] <robotgeek> yup, i caught it..very nice
[07:10] <jjesse> hopefully i hear back soon on my second draft, though i will probablly have changes to with adept being updated at the last minute
[07:16] <Burgwork> mdke, you there?
[09:51] <mdke> Burgwork, vaguely
[09:52] <Burgwork> mdke, given last nights fun in #edubuntu , I realized we need to be more proactive with ops in various channels
[09:53] <mdke> aha
[09:53] <Burgwork> mdke, any objections to adding myself and jerome to the list of ops for this channel?
[09:53] <LaserJock> Burgwork: fun in #edubuntu?
[09:54] <Burgwork> LaserJock, we had a troll/young kid having fun
[09:54] <Burgwork> had to call in lilo as only highvoltage has ops
[09:54] <mdke> no objection, although I've never seen any of that here
[09:54] <LaserJock> hmm, seems like most of the support channels are having problems
[09:55] <Burgwork> I had never seen it before in #edubuntu, but this is about proactively preventing it
[09:55] <LaserJock> makes sense
[09:56] <LaserJock> hope it wasn't theCore, his little brother has been causing him lots of problems :(
[09:56] <Burgwork> mdke, anybody you can think of that in the 0800 to 1600 UTC timezone?
[09:57] <Burgwork> as I can pretty reliably be on 2000 UTC to 0800 UTC, at home or work
[10:02] <mdke> Burgwork, i can't think of anyone, but i don't think we need to be paranoid about it
[10:03] <Burgwork> ok. I think all the trolls are American anyway... ;)
[10:04] <LaserJock> yeah, us Americans are a trolling lot ;-)
[10:04] <mdke> Burgwork, you don't have a hostmask/
[10:04] <mdke> ?
[10:05] <Burgwork> such as /ubuntu/member ?
[10:06] <mdke> or something else
[10:06] <Burgwork> mdke, if you op Burgundavia, all my other nicks are linked to it
[10:06] <mdke> i can't op a nick
[10:06] <mdke> i need a hostmask, i think
[10:06] <Burgwork> Seveas did it on #edubuntu
[10:06] <mdke> hang on
[10:07] <mdke> ah shit, I can't add people
[10:07] <Burgwork> I think you need jdub for that
[10:07] <Burgwork> he is active right now
[10:08] <mdke> i need ChrisH
[10:08] <mdke> jdub has the same access level as I do
[10:08] <Burgwork> oh geez
[10:08] <mdke> no problem, I'll ask him
[10:08] <Burgwork> this is part of the cleanup we need to do
[10:08] <Burgwork> most of the channels are pretty adhoc
[10:09] <mdke> ok, I'll sort it and let you know
[10:09] <Burgwork> cheers, thanks
[10:10] <mdke> afk