[12:41] hmm, i apparently left out add-applications [12:42] bad robotgeek :) [12:42] the diff doesn't show svn added files [12:42] LaserJock: the best way to send in a new file is? === robotgeek is always confused about this [12:43] robotgeek: you should be able to do a "svn add" and svn diff it [12:43] you aren't able to? [12:44] LaserJock: nope, it doesn't diff [12:44] oh, you mean svn diff file.xml [12:44] okay, that works. but just svn diff doesn't [12:44] just svn diff at the top of the repo [12:52] LaserJock: thanks, that worked. mailed [12:52] now to find someone to commit, lol === robotgeek catches hold of LaserJock [12:54] hmm, I have no idea what you're talking about :-) [12:55] LaserJock: heh, i now have a go ahead on all commits related to KDG :) [12:57] it's not validating for me. [12:57] LaserJock: can you pasteibn the error? [12:57] just a sec [12:58] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9569 [12:59] LaserJock: apparently you need to install a kde package [01:00] but should that matter? I don't know that the repo should be that dependent on outside packages [01:00] kdelibs-data [01:00] cause it's a kde documentation shared entity file [01:00] robotgeek: I've got a meeting right now. [01:00] should I just commit it? [01:01] LaserJock: yeah [01:01] it validates for you? [01:01] LaserJock: yup [01:01] k [01:01] thanks [01:03] done [01:03] ty === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bur[n] er [n=burner@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:37] holy crap! There is a large scale, gov't funded Ubuntu deployment happening on the Island right now [03:42] http://www.silc.ca/drupal/?q=node/62 === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-148-138.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@he.said.do.you.speak.in.mylanguage.gov.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-129-56.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@he.said.do.you.speak.in.mylanguage.gov.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [04:54] Madpilot: holy crap! There is a large scale, gov't funded Ubuntu deployment happening on the Island right now [04:54] http://www.silc.ca/drupal/?q=node/62 [04:56] Burglaptop, yeah, saw your email - that's very cool [04:56] amazing what you turn up when you start looking [04:57] Burglaptop, have you contacted SILC yourself? [04:57] I went down to Project Literacy Victoria tonight and chatted with a women there who showed me her lab [04:57] she said "and here was have 5 windows XP Pro machines and here is a machine we are testing an open source OS called Ubuntu. Have you heard of it?" [04:58] then she told me about SILC [04:58] heh [04:58] :) [04:58] I am going to be chatting with SILC tomorrow === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] on another note. I am trying to bulk up my chapter on Ubuntu over time [04:58] howdy bhuvan [04:58] your what? [04:59] do you lot have any suggestions of about periodic maintence, except for security updates and deborphan? [04:59] oh, and the ca. mirror appears to be dead [05:00] I stopped using the ca archive about two weeks ago, it was acting up then stopped totally... [05:05] it is amazing how much desktop linux is actually out there [05:08] ... lurking... :p [05:10] nah, think lost kid. Que World Vision sad music. "For only dollars a day, you can support this lonely Linux desktop installation" [05:10] black and white shots of malnourished developers [05:14] Burglaptop: don't forget doc writers :) [05:14] phew, finished sorting 10 gb's of music [05:16] only 10Gb? ;) [05:16] Madpilot: i gotta sort thru some more [05:16] yay, i got SVN access! [05:16] robotgeek, congrats! [05:17] Madpilot, i guess you were waiting for the same ? [05:17] sadly, i have nothing more to commit today, lol [05:17] hey, the email just arrived - cool! [05:17] (for commit access, that is) [05:18] I'll sort it out after I eat [05:18] Madpilot: congrats, (again) [05:20] by the end of this week, i would like you guys to review KDG and offer suggestions [05:21] robotgeek: Madpilot and I are exclusively gnome users [05:22] Burglaptop: style wise, maybe. [05:22] robotgeek: sure, I should be able to [05:22] anyways, you guys might want to rip out the office section from KDG === robotgeek reminds himself to add Koffice section [05:25] robotgeek: what is Kubuntu shipping? OO.o or KOffice? [05:30] robotgeek, I'll do a proofreading run thru KDG for you if you want - style & typos & such [05:31] UDG seems to be mostly finished for now - I'll do one more pass thru it sometime this week [05:31] dinner, back later === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:39] robitaille: you see the exciting news? [05:41] Burglaptop: news? [05:41] robitaille: you subscribed to gnome-ca, ubuntu-ca or vlug discuss? [05:41] oh...just saw your email on vlug. cool [05:53] ok, styles and OO.o are pissing me off [05:53] they appear to work in FC4 [05:55] hey that is cool. Ubuntu is not a typo in OO.o by default [05:56] really? [05:56] I think so === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:01] cool, commit access decrypted - now off to read the rest of the SVN documentation :P [06:01] Burglaptop: openoffice [06:02] Madpilot: did you svn access just come back again?' [06:02] Burglaptop, I never had it, I'd lost the password to my first GPG key [06:03] robotgeek: that is what I thought. Be careful about discussing things like koffice, as they duplicate functionality in the core install and might simply confuse [06:03] Burglaptop: ah, okay. === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-154-116.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:58] Madpilot: yes, please do proofread :) [06:58] robotgeek, will do - sometime this week, not sure when [06:58] Madpilot: take your time, i will be updating and fixin a few more things. Lots more to do === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-180-234.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-130-128.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:25] jsgotangco: i got SVN commit access :) [07:26] robotgeek, woooo congrats m8 [07:26] mine finally arrived too [07:27] expect a commit spree from tommorow, lol [07:32] hmm, fun in #edubuntu... [07:33] indeed [07:33] damn, just missed it. i see lilo there, which is not good :) [07:33] you can read the log [07:34] someone was changing the topic there, and claiming their irc client had been hacked [07:34] he also wanted to know how to hack like they did on some PBS kids computer show [07:35] missed that part, I just showed up in time to watch everyone talk at lilo [07:36] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html [07:36] see the fun [07:36] ah, cyberchase, that is the pbskids program === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:41] entertaining log - I assume the little troll got banned? [07:41] Burglaptop: no ops there? [07:41] Madpilot: no [07:42] do we have a troll in our midst? [07:42] on #edubuntu - fun's over, though [07:43] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html [07:43] manicka: hmm, try the kdg now, it should validate. i apparently missed a chapter, lol [07:43] ta [08:02] hmm, our op situation on most channels is pretty bad [08:04] the main chan. coverage is getting better (I must have been insane to volunteer, though...) [08:04] I really should remove myself. I am never there now [08:05] maybe I should keep it, just for the airstrike-like quality of having an op join and kick them [08:05] "I love the smell of kickbanned troll in the morning" === rob got accused of being a clone or something of that guy [08:10] rob: sadly yes [08:10] the op situation should be sorted at this CC meeting [08:10] ok, the tab completion in xchat-gnome is borked [08:10] rather than cycle through the options, it just lists them [08:10] I will deal with it [08:11] rob, someone didn't notice the ubuntu cloak when they ran whois on you... or they didn't bother to run whois at all [08:11] Madpilot, yeah probably :) [08:11] lilo was paged in for that job [08:12] which I guess is what bash does, but it doesn't complete on rob, when in fact a nick named rob [08:12] I think he was sleeping or something [08:12] I think a bunch of people pm'd lilo [08:13] Madpilot, no, lilo has a pager that staff can page him on, I'd done it a bunch of times [08:13] ah [08:13] s/I'd/I've [08:14] we had a lot of GNAA problems a while ago, that was an instant page when they showed up [08:15] lovely people, them [08:15] ah*scriptkiddies*choo..! [08:20] i gotta go [08:20] brb [08:27] hmm, "Other activities in Wiesbaden, Germany: May 3-12, 2006" [08:27] from JeffWaugh === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-130-128.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:33] that restart icon in Dapper after some upgrades really reminds me of Windows... [08:34] that icon should be replaced soon [08:34] but in reality, a stable system is only going to see that icon about once [08:35] we should see it after any kernel security upgrade, no? [08:35] yes, but how many has breezy had? [08:36] oh, and dbus updates [08:37] dbus developers need to get on the d-Unix bus and realize that userspace services should not require restarts [08:37] Burglaptop: 4 times for Breezy. So once a month [08:38] about the same as a WinXP box, as MS only updates XP once a month [08:39] So it's back to my original point: it reminds me of Windows :) [08:39] indeed [08:40] actually, we are worse than windows, as Windows will do the actually installing when you shutting down normally, thus saving a reboot in the middle fo work [08:40] morning [08:42] morning mdke [08:47] :) [08:47] it is almost morning here. Another 17 minutes [08:47] haha [08:49] mpt_, ping? [08:49] AboutUbuntu? is it going to happen? [08:50] hmm, I thought of some Automatix/Easyubuntu basted child when I first read that [08:52] eh? it's just an about window [08:56] anyone knows in which package the default bookmarks of Firefox live? I just noticed it still contains a reference to bugzilla.u.c [08:57] i think they are in mozilla-firefox [08:57] thanks [09:01] mdke: that is now the fourth attempt to shutdown that bloody initng crack thread [09:01] true [09:01] and the 40th attempt to generally stop the noise [09:01] fedora-devel and debian-devel are even more noisy [09:01] i'm hoping the "developers have stopped reading this list" warning will sink in [09:01] because nobody tries [09:02] I find it interesting the people who post to -devel [09:02] some of them are extraordinary [09:02] there are two major camps: the actual developers and those that just want to talk about something [09:02] there was a mini-thread about debugging a Window XP problem! [09:03] crazy shit [09:03] some of us who are well respected but not developers rarely post [09:03] I only post to ask people to be quiet :) [09:03] indeed, as do robitaille and seveas [09:03] mmm [09:04] although it's important to be patient, especially with newcomers [09:04] yes, not biting their heads off is good, but also being firm [09:04] that guy was right, if someone comes along saying "how can I help", it's really out of order to say "not by posting here" [09:05] someone actually said that on one of the -devel lists? [09:05] I need to merge HelpingUbuntu and /community/participate [09:05] yeah, Seveas [09:05] out of patience from stupidity on #ubuntu, probably :P [09:05] possibly [09:06] damn we really need to know if AboutUbuntu is going to happen [09:06] mpt_ !!! please reply [09:06] mdke: I don't think it is [09:06] gah [09:07] i'll mail him [09:07] because mpt_ mentioned at UBZ that he had run out of pygtk skills and nobody else stood up and helped him [09:07] humm...someone reported 5 weeks ago that bugzilla.u.c is still in the firefox bookmarks... (bug 28896) [09:07] Burglaptop, he's worked on it since then [09:08] bugzilla.u.c should still redirect to the malone page - just yanking it seems uncool [09:08] yes, but only really picked at it [09:08] robitaille, it'll get fixed I'm sure. Firefox has a major bug right now [09:08] hmm === mdke would also like to know about start.ubuntu.com [09:10] hi mdke, do you know pygtk? [09:13] mdke: ping (testing connection) === lloydinho [n=andreas@130.225.237.101] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:18] mpt_, no [09:18] Burglaptop, yes === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:21] mdke: hmm, bloody connection. It should randomly dropped for about 2 minutes there [09:21] mpt_, does that mean it's not happening? [09:22] wow, I am tired. That last sentence made absolutely no sense [09:23] mdke, FeatureFreeze has started and I hardly have any time [09:23] I'll see what I can do [09:24] mpt_, ok, but we really need to know soon, because if not we need to work on the alternative, which sucks [09:26] -> work [09:31] someone want to give me the 30 second guide to using SVN commit? [09:32] if I do "svn commit ~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide" it'll commit all my desktopguide changes, and prompt for password, right? [09:34] anyone? I'd rather not screw our SVN repo up with my first commit... :P [09:35] Madpilot: you can also tell it what you username is password is with -u and -p [09:36] OK - I need to put a -m tag in there too, I see [09:37] so "svn commit ~/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide -m "UDG updates & editing" -u " [09:39] Madpilot, you can enter the password just once and it will be stored in ~/.subversion and you need not pass/use the password anymore [09:39] Madpilot, ever its good to do 'svn diff' before running 'svn commit' and confirm we commit only the files we intend to [09:40] in this case, I'm changing most of the files in /ubuntu/desktop [09:41] if I add -p to my first commit, it'll be remembered, right? [09:45] night all [09:45] later [09:46] Madpilot, you can just run 'cd ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide && svn commit'. first time it will prompt for password and consequent times it wont [09:46] Madpilot, if you prefer to use password in command line use '--password' option. refer 'svn commit --help' for details [09:48] bhuvan, thanks, I've been reading the docs & svnbook, but needed a bit of clarification === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-176-23.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:10] hmm, our SVN repo doesn't seem to be recognizing my new password... [10:12] Madpilot, it will. it is case sensitive [10:12] Madpilot, what kind of issue you face ? === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-146-92.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:14] I copied & pasted the pw right off the GPG decrypt [10:15] bhuvan, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9585 === bhuvan is looking into it [10:15] thanks [10:16] Madpilot, what is your user id ? [10:16] is it brian ? [10:16] as far as I know, yeah [10:16] haven't even thought about it since I set the svn up ages ago [10:16] ok, whats your email id ? [10:17] s/(email id)/ubuntu $1/g [10:17] blurdesign@gmail.com - is that actually my ID? [10:17] my LP name, right? [10:17] what is your ubuntu email id ? [10:17] as above - blurdesign@gmail.com [10:18] whats your lp URL ? [10:18] https://launchpad.net/people/yh728 - from an older email addy - should I try that? [10:20] Madpilot, generally lp user id = svn user id, i guess. just to confirm i have send an email to your account [10:21] got it sorted - my svn id is "yh728" still [10:21] see if you have received an email to blurdesign@gmail.com and check the to-id as well [10:21] Madpilot, yes [10:21] so, your email id is yh728@ubuntu.com [10:22] can I change that in LP without majorly screwing things up? [10:22] like SVN commit access, now that I finally have it? [10:23] "can I change that" = ? [10:23] change my LP name from "yh728" to something that actually means something, I mean [10:24] nope, i guess. the ubuntu user id is tied to lp account. so, the svn access and email id [10:24] gah. LP got that from an old email addy, it would be nice to get it changed to 'bburger' or something === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-130-128.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:28] Madpilot, out of box lp does not handle it, i guess. we should check with lp admin [10:29] is the easiest way to do that to file a Support Request thru LP? [10:30] or just thru email? [10:30] i guess support request through lp is a best option [10:31] OK, I'll do that - thanks again [10:31] People are going to wonder who the heck "yh728" is on the docteam commits :P [10:31] ofcourse! :) :) [10:34] Madpilot also check with mdke/jsgotangco if we can route it through dholbach or Seveas to get it done quickly, just a thought though [10:35] sure - I'll mail the list just now === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-188-213.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-176-23.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === DRF [n=daniel@host86-143-72-174.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:03] just wanted to let people know that i'm redoing the adept guide from scratch as it is all of date [07:03] jjesse: cool [07:03] jjesse: what is the best way to link to other kde documentation? [07:03] nothing like starting over from scratch ;-) [07:03] did everyone see the announcement on the fridge about the ubuntu book [07:04] no [07:04] I'll go check it out [07:04] yup, i caught it..very nice === robotgeek will see if he can get a free book by submitting tips [07:10] hopefully i hear back soon on my second draft, though i will probablly have changes to with adept being updated at the last minute [07:16] mdke, you there? === robotgeek [n=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-130-128.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:51] Burgwork, vaguely [09:52] mdke, given last nights fun in #edubuntu , I realized we need to be more proactive with ops in various channels [09:53] aha [09:53] mdke, any objections to adding myself and jerome to the list of ops for this channel? [09:53] Burgwork: fun in #edubuntu? [09:54] LaserJock, we had a troll/young kid having fun [09:54] had to call in lilo as only highvoltage has ops [09:54] no objection, although I've never seen any of that here [09:54] hmm, seems like most of the support channels are having problems [09:55] I had never seen it before in #edubuntu, but this is about proactively preventing it [09:55] makes sense [09:56] hope it wasn't theCore, his little brother has been causing him lots of problems :( [09:56] mdke, anybody you can think of that in the 0800 to 1600 UTC timezone? [09:57] as I can pretty reliably be on 2000 UTC to 0800 UTC, at home or work [10:02] Burgwork, i can't think of anyone, but i don't think we need to be paranoid about it [10:03] ok. I think all the trolls are American anyway... ;) [10:04] yeah, us Americans are a trolling lot ;-) [10:04] Burgwork, you don't have a hostmask/ [10:04] ? [10:05] such as /ubuntu/member ? === mode/#ubuntu-doc [+o mdke] by ChanServ [10:06] or something else [10:06] mdke, if you op Burgundavia, all my other nicks are linked to it [10:06] i can't op a nick [10:06] i need a hostmask, i think [10:06] Seveas did it on #edubuntu [10:06] hang on [10:07] ah shit, I can't add people [10:07] I think you need jdub for that [10:07] he is active right now [10:08] i need ChrisH [10:08] jdub has the same access level as I do [10:08] oh geez [10:08] no problem, I'll ask him [10:08] this is part of the cleanup we need to do [10:08] most of the channels are pretty adhoc [10:09] ok, I'll sort it and let you know [10:09] cheers, thanks === mode/#ubuntu-doc [-o mdke] by ChanServ [10:10] afk === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-157-121.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc