=== seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-61-20.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jozmak [n=mak@h66-201-246-249.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jozmak [n=mak@h66-201-246-249.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5486FB42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === azeem_ [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 1 Mar 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 1 Mar 19:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 2 Mar 02:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 3 Mar 21:00 UTC: Documentation Team | 7 Mar 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 14 Mar 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 15 Mar 20:00 UTC: Kubuntu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mitch [n=mitch@61.68.34.198] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === manils [n=manils@cpe-70-120-198-66.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:47] hello all === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === terrex [n=capitant@84-122-65-159.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BlueT_ [n=BlueT@61-59-209-195.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === simira [n=simira@194.24.252.250] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A66D70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B09C2.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A66658.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === predius__ [n=foo@predius.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=highvolt@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:00] hey all === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.192.165] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:01] hey === pips1 [n=chatzill@48.21.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === flint_ [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:02] where is flint ? [01:02] ah [01:02] :) [01:02] lol [01:02] hi [01:02] so can we start ? [01:02] ogra, I want to get one of those remote starters to pre warm ubuntu-meeting so it is warm when we get here! [01:02] :^) [01:03] tech update is rather small today [01:03] ogra, lol exce..ent [01:03] flint_, heh [01:03] is JaneW coming? [01:03] the CD exploded some days ago when the ubuntu example-content package was added, i dont think we can ship it :/ [01:04] nope, JaneW has a bank holiday [01:04] elections in southafrica [01:04] ah [01:04] what's the example-content package? [01:04] ogra: you mean, we won't be able to ship the example-content on the edubuntu cds? [01:04] its a 7Mb package and we simply dont have this much ... i'm not even sure we have 1MB on ppc amd64 [01:04] small general good news, crsoosver 5.0.1 and ms office on top work on the badger version of edubuntu real well... [01:05] highvoltage, example content for all apps we ship to play around with [01:05] ogra: i see. does that include example content for ktouch? that seems to be in high demand. [01:06] its an awesome idea ... but as long as we ship kdeedu we wont have the space [01:06] highvoltage, nope [01:06] its ubuntu specific, not edubuntu [01:06] there are some openoffice docs, some svg and bitmaps etc ... [01:07] summing up to a 7MB package [01:07] i'd really appreciate if someone could start research for replacements of kdeedu for dapper+1 [01:08] that would gain us ~100Mb (guessed) [01:08] ogra: i suppose it's a lot of work to do a dvd version, hey? [01:08] really? wow! i didn't realise it was *that* much [01:08] ogra: how do the space requirements add up in all? I mean, how much space is ubuntu taking in comparison to edubuntu-specific stuff? [01:08] highvoltage, not really, but we decided we want to be available in areas weher no DVD players are available [01:09] highvoltage, even if its 50, it would be wonderful ... [01:09] pips1, we take more than 70MB more and i already disabled what i could from ubuntu [01:10] highvoltage, it is not just the dvd player, it is the bandwidth necessary to deliver a 4.8Gb iso eh [01:10] note that amd64 with the same set of software wouldnt even build, we dont have tuxpaint on amd64 ... [01:11] highvoltage, we still have the DVD that contains all of main... [01:11] but it wont be our main media for now [01:11] ogra: you are saying that you need to get rid of 70 MB because it exceeds the limit for a cd currently, right? [01:11] i guess at some point where we ship something that enables you to manage the whole school we'll have no choice ... [01:11] yep, i'm just in two worlds about kde-edu, it's a real nice, active project, just a pity we need to install so much in order to run it === terrex [n=capitant@84-122-65-159.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:12] highvoltage, keep in mind that 70 mb of cd is 10 percent... [01:12] pips1, i cann keep the CD in shape .... currently its fine, but we dont have any space left ... [01:12] which brings me to the next tech topic [01:12] dvd players seem to be vrey, very common already. perhaps by dapper+2 it would be much more plausible [01:12] we have a edubuntu-docs packag since last week [01:12] i'm waiting for Kamion to push it through NEW [01:13] highvoltage: but only in 'the first world' [01:13] ogra, got a url? [01:13] Kamping_Kaiser: and 3rd world [01:13] it contains a modified version of the two ooo docs highvoltage presented last time [01:13] flint_, once its through new: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-docs [01:13] ogra: that's in html now, right? [01:13] yup [01:13] i'll rework it [01:14] ogra, this is excellent news! bet he did not have a beautiful illustrator to charm like jonathan did... [01:14] but first i'm adding some basic docs for our ltsp ... [01:14] ogra: what's up with the feature freeze... did schooltool make it in time? [01:14] pips1, schooltool sits in debian and waits for a sync ... [01:15] the launchpad feature for syncing is still not ready, so we're all waiting for that [01:15] but it was requested and approved in time ... [01:15] so we'll get it, dont worry [01:15] ogra, shcooltool is important. will the old version be included otherwise? [01:15] ogra: ic [01:15] flint_, that wont work [01:16] flint_: you just won't let that go, will you ;) [01:16] ogra, gotcha. does it have to do with its zope3-ishness? [01:16] yup [01:16] highvoltage, jonathan, the man the legend :^) [01:16] but dont worry, schooltool will be in [01:17] jane and i decided to make a separate spec for the network swap stuff, it can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FullyAutomaticSwapServer [01:18] ogra and jane++ [01:18] i'm also thinking about a kiosk mode on ltsp level for dapper+1 [01:19] that should gain us a lot of points in public librarys and internet cafes :) [01:19] ogra, we marketing weasels always like a good demo kiosk. [01:19] i think it will be a hit [01:20] flint_, you just had to add the --kiosk argument to the ltsp-build-client command that sets up ltsp and the rest will be done automatically :) [01:20] i agree with highvoltage and otehrs ther [01:20] just boot the clients :) [01:20] *others there [01:21] ogra, gotcha, which flight should i try this with? [01:21] ok, thats it with tech update ... [01:21] flint_, flightX of dapper+1 ;) [01:21] its a plan for next release ... [01:22] since the question for kiosk mode comes up quite often [01:22] on the website, there's not too much of a change yet. [01:22] ok, any news in the doc area ? [01:22] ogra, ollie, we should move on to annoying the edubuntu cooks [01:22] jelkner, ? === pips1 wants to get his hands on that schooltool release, and wonders how "ready" it is for the class room, since it it only an "alpha development snapshot" [01:22] sorry, i just jumped in there [01:23] highvoltage, no, its fine ... [01:23] pips1, we gotta talk... email flint@flint.com schooltool in subject. [01:23] if you have something doc related ... [01:23] maybe it needs to be pointed out in the edubuntu doc that schooltool is an alpha release, cf. http://www.schooltool.org/products/schooltool-2006/releases/2006.0-alpha1 [01:23] ? === highvoltage agrees [01:24] ogra, kcole and jelkner just got back from pycon, and they may be a little "py-eyed" from the flight [01:25] pips1, i'm pretty sure thats not what we ship [01:25] ogra: yes? [01:25] ogra: no?! [01:25] the news from pycon in dallas is that while they may be dead from the flight back to DC, Lore lives! take it away Jeff... [01:26] we have the cookbook on the wiki [01:26] jelkner, now is the moment when you give the url jeffster. [01:26] kevin and i will try to write a few chapters on installing and setting up edubuntu as soon as the release gets closer and things are likely to change less frequently [01:27] pips1, if that the one we ship, i agree, i'll have to check if that 2006, i think its thae last release of the last release we have :) [01:27] (and not 2006-alpha) [01:28] a google search for "edubuntu cookbook" returns the launchpad page on top [01:28] this is not what we would like [01:28] jelkner, the sooner you to get me a url the faster I can whine about details, pepper you with critisim and hector you for minor changes. [01:28] https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks [01:28] jelkner, thats hard to influence [01:28] is the launchpad page [01:29] jelkner: many people would like to change their google rankings, you just can't control it :/ [01:29] jelkner, thanks, i mean all that in the nicest way.:^) [01:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook [01:29] is the wiki page [01:29] jelkner: where would you like it to point? perhaps we can make that page more googlable [01:29] the wiki page [01:30] jelkner: perhaps you should link to that wiki page then from the launchpad page? [01:30] which doesn't show up anywhere in the goolge search that i can see [01:30] jelkner, can you link the wikipage from launchpad somewhere ? [01:30] jelkner: it will also push up the ranks for the wiki page in google then [01:30] we did [01:30] but it is not at all easy to follow [01:31] https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks doesnt have it ... [01:31] kevin and i could not figure out how to make a link on the lauchpad page using something like an anchore tag [01:31] how ddi you get the other link in there [01:31] it does, ogra, but you have to See https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook [01:32] jelkner: you can just type it like you did here in irc, you don't need tags and stuff [01:32] yes, but it then looks hideous [01:32] it is too long to fit in the box [01:32] and the text runs over into the sidebar [01:32] jelkner, ah, just put a hint into the description or something ... [01:33] orgra: i'm not sure what you mean? [01:33] Quote from the launchpad page "For a look at the current cookbook, click on the link to the home page in the left menu." [01:33] "please click on the homepage link on the left to get to the wiki page" [01:33] ahh [01:33] will do [01:33] oh, ah [01:33] i'm blind [01:33] sorry :) [01:34] ogra: I had to look twice myself :-) [01:34] heh :) [01:34] jelkner, looks pretty good to me... [01:35] ok, that's about it for the cookbook [01:35] jelkner, nah, tell us about lore... [01:35] lore? [01:36] lore is twisted's markup language [01:36] they use it for all the docs on twitedmatrix.com [01:36] i've been using it for stuff that i do on the open book project site [01:36] moshe zadka wrote it [01:37] george paci is maintaining it [01:37] highvoltage, jonathan, watch yourself here, there is a very high cliff approaching, great view but dangerous... [01:37] and moshe and george are getting together at pycon to sprint on it [01:37] (or rather, hopefully they did already ;-) [01:37] flint_: that's how i like it ;) [01:37] ok, i gotta run [01:37] jelkner, jeff the reason you use it is because it is gods gift to indexing eh? [01:37] thanks jeff!!! [01:38] bye [01:38] ciao jelkner [01:38] and tzhanks [01:38] hmpf [01:38] anything else doc related ? [01:38] tha'ts it for doc then? [01:39] ogra, imagine getting a meeting done early! would jane be suprised? [01:39] heh, might be [01:39] so, artwork anyone ? === ogra didnt do work on the artwork package last week [01:39] if there's any updates? sure. [01:39] ogra, artwork going once...artwork going twice....SOLD! [01:40] flint_, to whom ? [01:40] ok, then may i jump in with a very quick website update now? [01:40] hehe === highvoltage goes anywya [01:40] yeah [01:40] highvoltage, go for it!! [01:40] highvoltage: please [01:41] i just aked znarl about the drupal installation, he was rather busy busy last weke, he'll say he'll make a plan to get it installed tomoorrow or the day after [01:41] i've played a bit with the spreadfirefox theme locally too [01:41] it's very suitable for edubuntu allready [01:41] highvoltage: nice! [01:41] cool [01:41] interesting... [01:41] although we'll have to make the colours work, janew was clear that she wanted us to keep the edubuntu colours currently in use. [01:42] that's about it :) any questions? [01:42] yup, thats our face to the world, we should keep the colortheme [01:42] highvoltage: did you also check the (drupal) admin screens with the spreadfirefox theme? on some screens, I got some weird overlapping forms.. :-/ [01:42] the orange and the yellow? [01:43] pips1: haven't noticed that yet [01:43] flint_, red orange yellow the main colors of our desktop [01:43] flint_, bright and friendly :) [01:43] ogra, forgive i am not very well red... [01:43] :^) [01:43] I have quite a bit of spare time to work on the website in the next weeks... so ideally we get down to it sooner rather than later... [01:44] flint_, but a bit bordeaux, no ? :) [01:44] flint_: yes. it's nice colours, although odd for websites, but it presents a good challenge, and when we'll make it work we'll have something that's both good looking and unique [01:44] for the record, I'll be on a holiday when edubuntu is released... [01:44] ogra, harsh, you could at least pun in German eh? [01:44] pips1, we'll drink on you :) [01:44] holiday april 8th - 22th [01:44] pips1: that's great. we'll of course need to continue working on the site after it's launch [01:45] flint_, bordeaux comes from the hills of france not germany :) [01:45] highvoltage: sure [01:45] ogra, god, help me... :^) [01:46] thats it with artwork ? [01:46] ogra, ah to be back in the hills of farce... :^) [01:47] anything else Management and/or Community related ? [01:47] we could break 15 minutes early and create a newsworthy item. [01:48] yeah, since it doesnt look like there is any topic left, we can close :) [01:48] so thanks all, meeting adjouned :) [01:48] or so ... 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Thanks for organising the aganda and stuff [08:01] and generally holding the fort :) [08:01] Hey! :) [08:01] dholbach: ! how was your weekend ? ;) [08:02] Thanks heno - had a nice Saturday, with wandering through Berlin and a loooong party in the evening - Sunday just some bits of working and mostly recovering :) [08:02] How were your weekend? [08:02] weekends :) [08:03] nice thanks, had the place to myself. Did some good design work on TheOpenCD [08:03] (I was reffering to your missed meeting though) [08:03] Nice. [08:03] Yeah, I thought so. :-) [08:03] It's good to make those contacts though [08:04] well, I tried to gather up with the KDE a11y and usability folks (who met in Berlin) [08:04] Nice. [08:04] We've just been in touch with some KDE access people [08:04] all good stuff [08:04] after I got there, I tried all the bells and doors, but they didn't hear me on the 4th floor (or wherever they were) [08:04] I have also been talking on and off to Garry in the #kde-accessibility channel recently. He has been following what we are doing with great interest. [08:04] so I took my laptop the Ubuntu CDs and everything else to a nice walk through Berlin. .-) [08:05] But I'll meet with Ellen soon to catch up with. [08:05] he has said on several occasions that KDE doesn't yet have the same as what GNOME has to offer in terms of accessibility. [08:05] heno: just remembered, I've not replied to your e-mail [08:05] hey Riddell [08:05] Riddell: np. What do you think? [08:06] heno: are you talking about a separate CD or an option on the live or install CD at boot time? [08:06] wil we get some Kubuntu AT love this release? :) [08:06] "AT"? [08:06] accessibility technology? [08:06] Assistive Technology [08:06] oh well [08:06] good enough for a non-native speaker ;) [08:07] I ws thinking as boot feature. Do you ship Kmag? [08:07] kdeaccessibility is in universe [08:07] ah, ok [08:08] but that can be fixed of course [08:08] :-D [08:08] heno: We could still offer a derivative. [08:08] Unless kdeaccessibility is promoted in the meantime. [08:08] yep [08:08] ok, so where are we with the current game plan? [08:08] Riddell: The kubuntu live CD uses the same overall infrastructure as the Ubuntu one right? [08:09] Have you looked at the agenda? [08:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda [08:09] yep, point 1 [08:09] access profiles [08:09] TheMuso: yes [08:09] well done on getting those sorted, thanks :) [08:10] about the magnification, 8x sounds huge [08:10] but I'm no expert on that [08:10] Well it actually wouldn't be too difficult to set up kubuntu profiles for accessibility from the same casper script if there was a way to identify what CD we are using, and once I knew how to modify/set KDE configuration files. [08:10] don't you end up scrolling sideways alot? [08:11] I really wish others were here to give their opinion, as I haven't as yet received any email. === TheMuso jumps to the ubuntu-a11y mailbox. [08:11] yeah [08:11] No, nothing. [08:11] So we just make a decision and go with it I think [08:11] Yeah. [08:12] That small detail can be changed after feedback [08:12] TheMuso: casper uses the packages on livecd file system - so from there it should be easy to judge wether we're in ubuntu or kubuntu land [08:12] I would vote for 4x ... [08:12] dholbach: Very true. Check for kubuntu-desktop for example. [08:12] TheMuso: or we can test for binaries we need [08:12] heno: Ok will make a note of it. [08:12] The placement worries me more though. It seems to assume a certain screen rez [08:12] i have unfortunately not much of an opinion on the default settings [08:13] I don't know how else we can work that [08:13] how would that work on a smaller screen? [08:13] As the default placement IMO is crazy. [08:13] I guess you would still get something [08:13] agreed [08:13] Yeah. [08:13] we could ask on the gnome a11y list [08:13] A larger screen should be no problem, just less optimal [08:13] dholbach: good idea [08:14] although i'm not entirely convinced they ship the best they can think of as a default already [08:14] dholbach: Yeah, as we will be patching these gconf settings into the package anyway. [08:14] dholbach: Neither do I. [08:14] I still need to thank them all for the detailed replies [08:14] TheMuso: yeah, if we have better defaults no need to change casper - we can change that in the packages directly [08:14] heno: yeah, that was great [08:15] dholbach: Yeah. The only thing the script for casper should do is turn on or off the ke settings that make things available or not when GNOME starts. [08:15] OK, so we'll just pick the position setting in your mail and call that settled ? [08:15] Yep. We still have time to test so we can hopefully get feedback. [08:15] yes [08:15] ok, point 2? [08:16] I guess that's an upstream bug really [08:16] hmmm [08:16] *nod* [08:16] they need to get used to the idea of fixing that [08:16] at least we could ask for pointers [08:16] :))) [08:16] No pun intended right? :) [08:16] I still havent 100% understood the problem [08:16] Me neither. [08:17] Something to do with gok getting more direct hardware access to the mouse. === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FA8B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:17] Gok just needs more testing and exposure generally which we will hopefully provide [08:17] Yeah. [08:18] Has anyone else experienced my panel crashing bug? [08:18] I've asked other random people to test on dapper [08:18] heno: I will be totally honest and say that I haven't played with GOK AT ALL> [08:18] LATELY [08:18] but so far it works for everyone else [08:19] i guess that was the at-spi / gail changes that made it work again [08:19] it's a quick test: just install and start somethinmg from the gnome panel while gok is running [08:19] Righto. [08:19] if nothing crashes you're ok === TheMuso flicks over to oher box to try. === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82-43-184-143.cable.ubr07.newm.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:20] I've not tested it today after the latest updates [08:20] anyway, it doesn't look like a showstopper for us === jarufe [n=jarufe@pc-155-140-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:21] i seem safe [08:21] works for most and doesn't get in anyones way [08:21] ok [08:22] Nice to see GNOME is killing its processes properly now. :) [08:23] so what are you guys trying to make more accessible? [08:23] So I guess the conclusion on GOK is that it works acceptibly now [08:23] sorush20: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda is our agenda [08:23] So if it is just a matter of running something from the panel while GOK is running, there seems to be no problem. I haven't updated today either. [08:24] sorush20: we're discussing point 2 atm [08:24] and if we have time, enenergy and brains to make it better for dapper we will [08:24] but it can go in as it is [08:24] Yeah. [08:25] Cool. I might be I have funky hardware or that a reinstall would fix it [08:25] I'll try it on the Live CD too when it turns up there [08:25] Great! point 3? [08:26] Is there somewhere we can see the packages currently on the live cd? [08:26] germinate something or other? [08:26] heno: Yes there is. Give me a sec. [08:26] heno, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/live [08:27] and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/desktop [08:27] ogra: thanks. and hello :) [08:27] Thanks ogra. [08:27] (live contains desktop) [08:27] ogra: are you absorbing all these cool new AT features into Edubuntu? [08:28] not yet [08:28] i have massive space probs [08:28] So it seems that the packages we need are not there yet. [08:28] we really need to know how much all these packages will take [08:28] ah, ok [08:28] (cat include the example content) [08:28] I found the same when checking one of the dalies the other day. [08:28] dholbach: yeah, I'm still in the dark on that [08:28] *cant [08:29] ogra: hm, shame [08:29] yup [08:29] ogra: it's just 8,7M :) [08:29] ogra: are you carrying the winfoss? [08:29] that will shrink this time [08:29] dholbach, i dont even have 1M free [08:29] heno, nope [08:29] only edubuntu [08:29] ogra: throw away openoffice and add the accessibility stuff [08:30] I'm making some unilateral cuts :) [08:30] and as long as we ship kdeedu we wont have space [08:30] makes sense [08:30] dholbach, nope, i'll replace the kde stuff in dapper+1 [08:30] replace OOo with koffice? [08:30] I can't even start gok [08:31] sorush20: have you installed at-spi and restarted the X session? [08:31] sorush20: try starting it from the command line [08:31] see if you get any errors there [08:32] heno: shouldn't that be part of the dependency that needes to be installed.. I get the error that can't find registery.. [08:32] sorush20: it should yes [08:32] sorush20: could you file a bug about that and include which version of ubuntu you use? [08:32] its running now thanks.. but at-spi sould be installed with it.. [08:33] oka [08:33] thanks [08:33] brb [08:33] I will see if I can chace up the total size of packages needing to be installed. [08:33] that'd make it easier to start a disciussion [08:34] what packages are you guys talking about ... and will there be a gui fo me to just check box the assistive stuff or will there be a blue screen? [08:35] Good old speakup. Managed to cause a bit of a kernel oops of some sort when trying to press several keys at once or close to each other. [08:35] An now on another machine while I wait for that box to reboot. :) [08:36] brrb [08:36] sorush20: a black screen actually: http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/screenshots/dapper/flight4/gfxboot-big.png [08:37] and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GreatFeaturesOfUbuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=AT-boot-menu.png [08:37] heno: so it hasn't changed.. that is bad... there should be something similar to xp installation where you can select extra stuff like a gui.. [08:38] sorush20: actually our solution is better than the XP one [08:39] youb select this technology at the very first screen and off you go [08:39] it does the right thing for you [08:40] I've seen some shots of the vista installer though and that's looking strong on this [08:40] so they're catching up :) [08:40] dholbach: the Live boot [08:40]