[12:03] ? [12:04] netzmeister: lintian [12:05] LaserJock: Thx ;-) [12:05] ogra: read my request for LP motu-team? [12:07] ogra: would be very nice if you could set me to admin there (the motu-team, not ubuntu-dev), because I can't create a poll otherwise [12:07] why arent you admin ? === ogra looks [12:07] ogra: because none of us can set him as admin, iirc [12:07] due to the LP team settings === sebest [n=sebest@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] ogra: I haven't been in the group until I wanted to create a poll recently ;) [12:09] OTOH, I could give the polling work to other MOTU's, if I'm not an admin *g* [12:09] to late :) [12:09] team page updated [12:09] ogra: thx :) [12:09] sistpoty: what's this poll about? [12:10] ajmitch_: actually I wanted to ask right here about it... next motu-meeting ;) [12:10] ok [12:10] sistpoty: I'm a MOTU now so... ;-) [12:10] well, on the last meeting, we worked out today as date for the next meeting, and wanted discuss the time on the list... but I completely forgot about it [12:11] LaserJock: and you have some poll-experience ;) [12:11] well, when do you think next meeting should be? somewhere during the next week? earlier? later? [12:11] lol, yep. although I don't know how successful it was [12:12] LaserJock: it gave me s.th. todo... (actually I just adapted a few lines right now) [12:13] dolson, ping [12:13] Seveas: battlepong [12:13] dolson, why did you remove AchimBohnet from the CC agenda? [12:13] sistpoty: really, cool. I'd like to be able to hack on that in the future, but my Python foo is really weak :( [12:13] Seveas: I did??? [12:13] yes [12:13] - * AchimBohnet [12:13] + * DanaOlson [12:13] I didn't even see that name on there [12:14] heh, good question [12:14] LaserJock: you're always welcome to help out ;) [12:14] dolson: blame the wiki ;) [12:14] allee: I add me again ... [12:14] Seveas: that name was not there, seriously [12:14] LaserJock: how that you're an official MOTU & we can dump all our work on you [12:14] dolson, Seveas: maybe "lost update" syndrome? [12:15] ajmitch_: hmm, and it won't get done any sooner ;-) [12:15] yeah, one of them ignored the "someone else is editing" warning [12:15] I saw no such warning! [12:15] but I am sorry either way [12:15] I was actually hoping to take a little MOTU time off to work on the packaging guide more [12:15] LaserJock, guide schmuide [12:16] whoa [12:16] Seveas: I hope this doesn't jepordize my application :\ [12:16] dolson, not at all [12:16] ok, it never happened [12:16] hmm [12:16] LJ got MOTU? [12:16] yeah [12:16] og [12:16] oh [12:16] congratz [12:16] okay I'm out. See you tomorrow.. n8 man [12:17] jeez I've been so wrapped up in my playing around [12:17] that I'm losing touch with Ubuntu [12:17] gn8 netzmeister [12:17] n8 sistpoty [12:17] Kyral: you like the wobbly windows, eh? [12:17] dolson: I don't use Xgl === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FAC7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["...] [12:17] I use the SVN version of XFCE [12:17] Seveas: thx for spotting it [12:18] allee, hard to miss, I'm subscribed to the page [12:18] and so are all the people who will judge dolson's application >:) [12:18] maybe I will change my name === Kyral sighs [12:18] Sorry guys [12:19] I started Dapper's cycle so strong, then school screwed me over [12:20] I promise I'll be more active during Dapper + 1 (No school for the most of the cycle :D) [12:20] hehe [12:21] its also been that I have been fooling around with stuff like networking [12:21] and this thing they call a "social life" [12:22] ogra: btw, don't expect any 'ebuntu' source packages soon :) [12:22] lol === pianoboy4333 [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral sighs and goes back to his infernal homework [12:23] dolson: ? [12:23] sistpoty: ping [12:23] ajmitch_: it's just funny to see you talk about that.. isn't that all done in checkinstall? [12:23] Kyral: it's all right, I appreciate all the work you've done for MOTUScience [12:23] ArmeBosse: read the backlog? [12:23] LaserJock: you'd better as hell support me in a couple months [12:23] ;P [12:24] Kyral: I will [12:24] just the beginning, marcin` cries again ... [12:24] Then I can keep my promise to Riddell [12:24] i'll finish to read and ping you again ? [12:24] ArmeBosse: sure ;) [12:24] k :) [12:25] Kyral: I need to get back into school as well. People float in and out, I think that is one of the freedoms of Universe :-) [12:25] ajmitch_, why ? [12:25] Right now I'm learning how to build and admin my own server [12:25] so, practical experiance :D [12:25] ogra: cause the binaries are from checkinstall [12:26] LaserJock, i know :) [12:26] Yah...I was gonna SCREAM at that guy [12:26] i downloaded them and did a lintian check ;) [12:26] ogra: checkinstall [12:26] it's cute [12:26] He even said they were CheckInstall [12:26] do you imagine that he'll suddenly produce policy-compliant source packages? [12:26] its cool, its able to put *everything* into one deb ... :) [12:26] well, I think he really wants to help, but is maybe just a little naive === ajmitch_ is seriously lagged on ssh [12:27] ajmitch_, i dont ... [12:28] ogra: as LaserJock said, it's great that he wants to help out.. [12:29] yup [12:29] which is why I told him to come here & learn packaging [12:29] i'd even help him making sane packages if he gave up the name ;) [12:30] sure, the name is certainly confusing enough [12:30] ogra: I think you'd end up having to make most of the packages yourself [12:30] its the only thing i'm concerned about [12:30] First thing I thought when reading the mail was ogra misspelled s.th ;) [12:30] heh === ajmitch_ can't imagine taking on e17 as a first packaging project [12:31] i dont see probs there :) it will just take longer to get it right [12:32] quite awhile [12:32] I really think it should just be getting e17 into the repos instead of a derivative [12:33] LaserJock: that's why I started talking with him, to see if he had packages that could be reviewed for inclusion [12:35] sistpoty: finished, wow 3rd long discussion about our collaboration ... [12:35] poor LaserJock listening again and again ... [12:35] hehe [12:36] I know [12:36] but I'm just trying to help out [12:36] :) [12:36] difficult task [12:36] ArmeBosse: well, my first suggestion would be, that you try to sort it out yourselves... if that doesn't work, I guess we'd need to do s.th. about that [12:37] i think that 1st propal already passed [12:37] ArmeBosse: have you considered all of marcin`'s changes? How many have "thrown" out? [12:38] s.th. ? === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-69-133.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] ArmeBosse: yes... something... but what I don't know myself yet [12:38] great, SELinux policy development IDE released === huats [n=Huats@huats.reponses.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] a shame it's too late to get this into dapper [12:39] ArmeBosse: do you think collaboration with marcin` works in general or do you think it's not bearable as it is in the current state? [12:39] LaserJock: really, my point of view, small changes have been thrown away [12:39] ogra: will we have any exceptions for the NEW packages & feature freeze? === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549FAC7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] ajmitch_, TB meeting would have been the right place to ask that ;) [12:39] ogra: as long as they hold the TB meeting at that time, I can't get to it [12:40] sistpoty: it's not bearable, for me it's a big liar, a shame to discuss in this chan about it [12:40] ogra: I don't have internet access outside of where I'm working at the moment [12:40] i think we need to discuss that ... at least ask mdz/Kamion how they want to hanle it === lucas wouldn't want to work in the same team as ArmeBosse or marcin` [12:41] I don't think that we really shoud talk about this anymore [12:41] I already think that we got solution [12:41] we should wait for ArmeBosse fixes to existing package [12:41] ogra: I've got 1 or 2 that I couldn't get done before FF - I can upload them to debian, of course [12:41] then we should try to collaborate in vtigerforge [12:42] and if not then maybe we will try to do something on revu [12:42] about that ... what you reported to me is fixed 2 hours later, we can check on svn [12:42] then look when i've done last upload, some hours later ... [12:42] marcin`, ArmeBosse: ok, then I won't undertake anything right now [12:42] can check on revu too ... [12:43] and really this discussion was partially about our work on vtiger [12:43] and don't get me wrong I really appreciate what ArmeBosse did to make this package workable [12:43] so when you tell that it's not fixed yet ... [12:44] but there is still general question - what you do when someone want's to upload package that is designed in different way [12:44] and that's it [12:44] you just could consider an ability not to only review _one_ option on REVU [12:44] but also compare [12:44] where can I compare the two packages ? [12:45] good night guys [12:45] night dholbach [12:45] marcin`: as I said before, it didn't happen yet... and imo it's also not meant to happen. revu is about getting good packages in and not about a design contest ;) [12:45] cya dholbach, thanks for the support at the TB meeting [12:45] gn8 dholbach [12:45] LaserJock: de rien :) [12:45] marcin`: it shouldn't have to be up to us to compare two packages & choose one === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] sistpoty, cant revu just refuse packages if a current source already exists ? [12:46] ogra: you mean if s.o. else already uploaded that very sourcepackage to revu? [12:46] so the first one who started working leads the team ... at least WRT revu [12:46] sistpoty, ajmitch_ ok it's your opinion [12:46] sistpoty, yup [12:46] lucas: at this stage , there's no marcin` only package so you can't compare [12:47] mine is different - for me a chance to compare is good [12:47] ogra: revu1: no... and I didn't plan anything for revu2, imo it might be non-trivial [12:47] because what we had at beginnig of our work with ArmeBosse [12:47] he had good package and I also had good package [12:48] we merged but we also could fight at beginning [12:48] ogra: what if a package get's accepted to universe, and a motu-hopeful does a fix and uploads that to revu? would then be disallowed as well [12:48] then you couldn't have an ability to take a look on merged package [12:48] your description is very long, although I'm not sure if there's a policy about this [12:48] sistpoty, do we archive the uploads ? then its a problem ... else its trivial, you just scan the cache for a source package name and refuse the upload if it already exists [12:48] missing caps in the description, too [12:48] *T*his package [12:48] *Homepage [12:48] sistpoty, it would need to flush the cache/queue regulary indeed [12:48] ogra: yes, every upload is archived [12:49] lucas: i can tell, it's me for the caps ;) [12:49] ogra: might be a solution... but I see this slightly as "technical solution for a social problem"... and would rather not fix it, unless it's a must [12:49] sistpoty, ok, then i agree about non-trivial [12:50] sistpoty: I agree [12:50] but thats a social problem you cant solve ... [12:50] only by communicatng more in advance probably [12:50] is the MPL considered free by Ubuntu ? [12:50] I don't think it is by debian-legal [12:50] lucas: about caps, there's nothing that tell caps is a requirement no ? [12:51] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control [12:51] lucas, every license that allows free redistribution is ok for us ... [12:51] ogra: yes... probably... but we still have the option to nuke a "hijacking" upload, so I don't think it would be such a big deal [12:51] EXACTLY. AND YOU CAN WRITE EVERYTHING WITH CAPS LOCK ON TOO. IT'S JUST GOOD PRACTISE NOT TO. [12:51] :) [12:51] lucas: sheeshh... my ears ;) [12:51] lucas, the question is where your package has to end up with MPL [12:52] ArmeBosse: see ? ;) [12:52] lucas: about MPL ;) http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/11/msg00112.html [12:52] see ;) [12:53] i resume : some people say it's not free, some other tell it's free [12:53] but there's existing MPL apps in debian ... [12:54] so we accept MPL [12:54] ok [12:54] as i said, every license that allows free redistribution [12:54] we even have apple licensed stuff ... [12:55] lucas: for info it's a thread that i started ;) asking 1st debian-legal about this issue [12:56] ogra: apple2 [12:56] not 1 [12:56] iirc [12:56] it's not about who is being the first on the issue [12:56] it's about making the package the better possible [12:56] yes i know, just info [12:56] topic shift - is anybody using ekiga ? [12:56] tseng, squeak ... which isnt shipped in debian at all ... no idea if its 1 or 2 though [12:57] lucas: have used [12:57] lucas: sure [12:57] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330586 [12:57] does this sound familiar ? [12:57] gnome2 bug 330586 in general "Doesn't work if esd is enabled" [Major,Unconfirmed] [12:57] I disable esd 100% of the time [12:57] its useless [12:57] not really [12:58] its essential for ltsp sound :P [12:58] not if you are mr. netboot I guess [12:58] for joe laptop user, not so much [12:58] true [12:58] isn't esd the only way to get sounds when you click on things in GNOME? [12:58] i'll have a party if i can throw it out of ltsp one day :) [12:58] I dont want sounds when i click things [12:58] its obnoxious [12:58] but that is an essential function! [12:59] that is probably going to moved to gst someday anyway [12:59] (if not already?) [12:59] there is a patch for libgnome->gstreamer support upstream anywhere in the bugtracker [12:59] sadly only for 0.8 [01:00] sistpoty: what's next ? you need to discuss between motus ? :) [01:00] I always have to kill esd before starting JACK otherwise system sounds give me the xruns [01:00] ArmeBosse: hm... what? [01:00] dolson: Just turn off esd perminantly. [01:00] don't know, no solution ATM ? [01:01] If you really don't want sound events. [01:01] TheMuso: but I like the sounds! [01:01] Fair enough. [01:01] TheMuso: QJackCtl turns off esd for me [01:01] Ah right. === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] sistpoty: are the poll dates correct? [01:09] sistpoty: I'm worried that it opens on 3rd april & closes 3rd august [01:09] but I don';t know if LP is using yyyy-mm-dd or yyyy-dd-mm [01:09] ajmitch_: I hope so... I entered them in german format, hope it works === ajmitch_ suspects it's in ISO format yyyy-mm-dd [01:10] ajmitch_: thanks for noting... my first poll and then this ;) [01:10] asking in #launchpad [01:11] ajmitch_: damn, I broke it... [01:11] hehe [01:12] I tried 2006-13-02 to find out it's yyyy-mm-dd... and now I can't edit it again *g* === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bobesponja [i=pat@bas75-1-81-57-4-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] ajmitch_: https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+poll/motumeeting-06-03-2 :) [01:22] heh [01:24] It's cool... It's fresh... Stick it ON the fridge? Shouldn't you stick it IN the fridge? [01:25] dolson: no? you stick your acheivements as a kid on the fridge [01:25] good test scores or pictures [01:25] with a magnet [01:26] oh ok. but my childhood achievements were seldom "fresh" as in "not sour milk" or "cool" as in "the leftover potatoes are no longer hot" === cgd [n=chrisd@cpe-24-59-103-80.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] it was just confusing, that's all :) === bobesponja [i=pat@bas75-1-81-57-4-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iBalo [n=user@dslc-213-023-164-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] any admin of REVU here? [01:38] freeflying-ibook: what's your problem? [01:38] sistpoty: may u delete a package of mine on REVU [01:39] freeflying-ibook: sure... delete or just archive? and what package? [01:40] sistpoty: delete quarry, I'd upload it later [01:41] freeflying-ibook: do you want to upload the same source-version of quarry to revu again later? [01:42] sistpoty: Can I send RFS to mentors with package uploaded to REVU [01:42] sistpoty: ya [01:42] freeflying-ibook: not quite sure about mentors, I guess you can, but better ask ajmitch_ or another friendly DD ;) [01:43] ajmitch_: ping [01:43] freeflying-ibook: if you upload again later, I'd prefer to keep the current package. that way reviewers can also look at the debdiffs to previous versions [01:44] sistpoty: shall I uplaod a initial release ? [01:44] yes? [01:45] ajmitch_: may I send RFS to mentors with package uploaded to REVU [01:45] freeflying-ibook: initial release that will go into debian? [01:45] no, because debian needs a different changelog entry (x.y.z-1 & unstable as distro) [01:46] sistpoty: I wanna to do in that way [01:46] ajmitch_: I'd change the changelog to meet with debian's need [01:47] freeflying-ibook: then I don't think another upload to revu is needed, since we are in feature-freeze right now and can't bring new packages to dapper any longer [01:47] freeflying-ibook: thus quarry will simply get synced from debian during the next merge-run === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] sistpoty: so I want to upload a initial release for debian, hope some DD may sponsor me [01:49] freeflying-ibook: ah... to revu... got it now... feel free to abuse revu for that, but please add a comment stating that this is for debian [01:51] sistpoty: :) === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.211] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dolson is now known as afkolson === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === g14 [n=SEJeff@12-211-125-247.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5486FB42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-109-185.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] is there a way to get the original upstream tarball name out of a source package? [03:19] no [03:19] since the packager is the one who renames it [03:20] hmm [03:21] well, so basically you have to go into debian/copyright or something and find where the packager got it? [03:22] yes [03:22] or debian/watch [03:22] seems like maybe it could/should be more automatic [03:23] LaserJock: why? [03:24] the 'automated' way is debian/watch [03:24] I suppose [03:24] I was just thinking about package checking tools [03:24] and a little side question somebody asked === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rcliii [n=rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === punkrockguy318 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] woohoo: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/wip.py [03:53] nice [03:54] will post an announcement to -motu in a minute ;) === ajmitch_ looks at the latest crack offerings from sistpoty [03:55] what contortions in malone must we go through? [03:55] and can you get this to handle the UVF requests now? ;) [03:55] how do I add unmet deps work to the page? [03:56] bmonty: all in good time.. [03:56] sistpoty will enlighten us all [03:56] ajmitch_, bmonty: mail just sent ;) [03:57] ajmitch_: and no, it cannot make decisions for UVF-requests ;) === ajmitch_ goes in search of wisdom [03:57] sistpoty: I didn't say decisions, I said tracking them [03:57] since UVF requests could have this as a subscriber [03:58] ajmitch_: it's not really intended to track uvf-requests, but rather work being done on a package (maybe syncs as well) [03:58] sistpoty: would you accept patches to add things to the list without opening a bug in malone? [03:58] sistpoty: but with a fgew more hours hacking I'm sure you could.. ;) [03:58] bmonty: sure [03:59] ajmitch_: yes, I guess I could... but there are other things I'd like to add at first ;) [03:59] e.g. date of last bug activity === sistpoty is out for a cigarette now === afkolson is now known as dolson === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] bmonty: hi! [04:07] hey LaserJock [04:07] re [04:08] sistpoty: are you using postgres for your database? [04:08] bmonty: yes [04:09] hmm, I think I might try to use my new MOTU powers tonight [04:09] LaserJock: congrats! [04:10] btw.: this is just not fair: lp-bug mails contain a header X-Launchpad-Bug now, which means the sophisticated and very volatile email-parser could be shrunk to two regexp's now [04:10] bmonty: thanks [04:10] sistpoty: lol, all your work wasted :( [04:11] LaserJock: not all my work... took me only maybe two hours to write it in the first place [04:11] (actually to debug it... writing it was much faster *g*) [04:11] I'm glad you're that effecent then, it would have taken me a lot longer [04:12] thx [04:12] sistpoty: great, might as well shrink it down [04:13] sistpoty: you'll still have the old code in bzr :) [04:13] ajmitch_: yes, seems like a good idea... but I won't do any changes tonight any more ;) === ajmitch_ loves bzr [04:13] ajmitch_: can I ask you a bzr question? [04:13] sure === ajmitch_ just got some more code going at work [04:14] and bzr made this job just that little bit easier ;) [04:14] ajmitch_: I have the "main" branch on tiber, I pulled it with bzr branch... how do I push my local changes back to tiber? [04:15] bzr merge on tiber [04:15] or you can use bzr push with your local branch to a place where it can be merged on tiber [04:15] eg I branch from the 'main' branch onto my laptop [04:15] commit [04:15] any thoughts on how many packages are in Ubuntu with watch files? [04:15] bzr push tiber:~/branches/ajmitch-crack [04:16] then go to the main branch, bzr merge ~ajmitch/branch/ajmitch-crack [04:16] bzr commit -m"Merged in crazy changes from ajmitch" [04:16] ajmitch_: but this will always involve me being logged in on tiber and doing bzr commands there... any way to avoid that? [04:16] sistpoty: pqm :) [04:17] which would have been in dapper [04:17] but I didn't get the package finished in time [04:17] since I am lazy [04:17] you could probably also just push to the main branch [04:17] but I can't recall what limitations there are in pushing to there === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] I'd ask in #bzr, jblack would know [04:18] ajmitch_: no, tried that... it works, but I need to bzr revert on tiber then because the files there are still at the old version [04:18] (or lifeless) [04:18] ajmitch_: ok, thanks... will do that :) [04:18] you could use the bzrtools push [04:18] which uses rsync & updates the working tree as well [04:19] ah, great :) === ajmitch_ watches lights blink away on the box beside him [04:19] I've had file permission issues with the bzr push [04:20] I'm sure it is something with my setup, but it is kinda annoying [04:20] bmonty: yes, seems like probs with your setup... I tried bzr push sftp://sistpoty@tiber.tauware.de/path [04:21] sistpoty: rsync syntax is slightly different [04:22] dudes, bzr so needs zsync for synching [04:22] sladen: what exactly is zsync? gzip'd rsync stream? [04:23] sistpoty: I was just going to ask the same question [04:23] hehe [04:24] Description: client-side implementation of the rsync algorithm [04:24] sladen: I don't know if it'd help - but feel free to write up a plugin :) [04:24] sistpoty: hi [04:24] hey lifeless [04:24] hi lifeless [04:24] sistpoty: bzr sftp push does not push the users source files for a number of reasons [04:24] sistpoty: what do you need the latest files on tiber for ? [04:25] lifeless: btw the pqm package is sitting on a dead box back in NZ [04:25] ajmitch_: dude :[ [04:25] lifeless: because everybody should be able to branch from it... and I like to do work on my local machine [04:25] I should be back there in a week or so [04:25] sistpoty: they can do that [04:26] sistpoty: without it having the latest files there. as long as the .bzr dir is up to date, branch, pull, merge, missing etc will all work [04:26] lifeless: and if I branch from there, it will get me the latest version? that's great then :) [04:26] sistpoty: yup [04:26] cool, thx lifeless [04:26] sistpoty: there are two separate things at the url. [04:26] there is the branch [04:26] and there is the working tree [04:27] other bzr commands refer to the branch, not the working tree (*) [04:27] (*) mostly ;) [04:28] ah... only thing why it might be nice to have the working tree updated, is that you could also browse the files directly via browser... but that would be just an additional bonus [04:28] yup [04:28] bzr webserve ;0 [04:28] sistpoty: is that the working tree that gets used by apache? [04:28] or different? [04:29] ajmitch_: hm? the files are directly in my public_html, so it is the working tree, right? [04:30] yeah [04:30] (but as well the branch, just not displayed= [04:30] s/=/\)/ [04:30] so you need the working tree & brnach to be in sync there [04:31]