[12:03] <netzmeister> ?
[12:04] <LaserJock> netzmeister: lintian
[12:05] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  Thx ;-)
[12:05] <sistpoty> ogra: read my request for LP motu-team?
[12:07] <sistpoty> ogra: would be very nice if you could set me to admin there (the motu-team, not ubuntu-dev), because I can't create a poll otherwise
[12:07] <ogra> why arent you admin ?
[12:07] <ajmitch_> ogra: because none of us can set him as admin, iirc
[12:07] <ajmitch_> due to the LP team settings
[12:08] <sistpoty> ogra: I haven't been in the group until I wanted to create a poll recently ;)
[12:09] <sistpoty> OTOH, I could give the polling work to other MOTU's, if I'm not an admin *g*
[12:09] <ogra> to late :)
[12:09] <ogra> team page updated
[12:09] <sistpoty> ogra: thx :)
[12:09] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: what's this poll about?
[12:10] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: actually I wanted to ask right here about it... next motu-meeting ;)
[12:10] <ajmitch_> ok
[12:10] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I'm a MOTU now so... ;-)
[12:10] <sistpoty> well, on the last meeting, we worked out today as date for the next meeting, and wanted discuss the time on the list... but I completely forgot about it
[12:11] <sistpoty> LaserJock: and you have some poll-experience ;)
[12:11] <sistpoty> well, when do you think next meeting should be? somewhere during the next week? earlier? later?
[12:11] <LaserJock> lol, yep. although I don't know how successful it was
[12:12] <sistpoty> LaserJock: it gave me s.th. todo... (actually I just adapted a few lines right now)
[12:13] <Seveas> dolson, ping
[12:13] <dolson> Seveas: battlepong
[12:13] <Seveas> dolson, why did you remove AchimBohnet from the CC agenda?
[12:13] <LaserJock> sistpoty: really, cool. I'd like to be able to hack on that in the future, but my Python foo is really weak :(
[12:13] <dolson> Seveas: I did???
[12:13] <Seveas> yes
[12:13] <Seveas> -  * AchimBohnet
[12:13] <Seveas> +  * DanaOlson
[12:13] <dolson> I didn't even see that name on there
[12:14] <allee> heh, good question
[12:14] <sistpoty> LaserJock: you're always welcome to help out ;)
[12:14] <ajmitch_> dolson: blame the wiki ;)
[12:14] <allee> allee: I add me again ...
[12:14] <dolson> Seveas: that name was not there, seriously
[12:14] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: how that you're an official MOTU & we can dump all our work on you
[12:14] <sistpoty> dolson, Seveas: maybe "lost update" syndrome?
[12:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: hmm, and it won't get done any sooner ;-)
[12:15] <Seveas> yeah, one of them ignored the "someone else is editing" warning
[12:15] <dolson> I saw no such warning!
[12:15] <dolson> but I am sorry either way
[12:15] <LaserJock> I was actually hoping to take a little MOTU time off to work on the packaging guide more
[12:15] <Seveas> LaserJock, guide schmuide 
[12:16] <jamessan> whoa
[12:16] <dolson> Seveas: I hope this doesn't jepordize my application :\
[12:16] <Seveas> dolson, not at all
[12:16] <dolson> ok, it never happened
[12:16] <Kyral> hmm
[12:16] <Kyral> LJ got MOTU?
[12:16] <dolson> yeah
[12:16] <Kyral> og
[12:16] <Kyral> oh
[12:16] <Kyral> congratz
[12:16] <netzmeister> okay I'm out. See you tomorrow.. n8 man
[12:17] <Kyral> jeez I've been so wrapped up in my playing around
[12:17] <Kyral> that I'm losing touch with Ubuntu
[12:17] <sistpoty> gn8 netzmeister
[12:17] <netzmeister> n8 sistpoty
[12:17] <dolson> Kyral: you like the wobbly windows, eh?
[12:17] <Kyral> dolson: I don't use Xgl
[12:17] <Kyral> I use the SVN version of XFCE
[12:17] <allee> Seveas: thx for spotting it
[12:18] <Seveas> allee, hard to miss, I'm subscribed to the page
[12:18] <Seveas> and so are all the people who will judge dolson's application >:)
[12:18] <dolson> maybe I will change my name
[12:18] <Kyral> Sorry guys
[12:19] <Kyral> I started Dapper's cycle so strong, then school screwed me over
[12:20] <Kyral> I promise I'll be more active during Dapper + 1 (No school for the most of the cycle :D)
[12:20] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:21] <Kyral> its also been that I have been fooling around with stuff like networking
[12:21] <Kyral> and this thing they call a "social life"
[12:22] <ajmitch_> ogra: btw, don't expect any 'ebuntu' source packages soon :)
[12:22] <dolson> lol
[12:23] <ajmitch_> dolson: ?
[12:23] <ArmeBosse> sistpoty: ping
[12:23] <dolson> ajmitch_: it's just funny to see you talk about that.. isn't that all done in checkinstall?
[12:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: it's all right, I appreciate all the work you've done for MOTUScience
[12:23] <sistpoty> ArmeBosse: read the backlog?
[12:23] <Kyral> LaserJock: you'd better as hell support me in a couple months
[12:23] <Kyral> ;P
[12:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: I will
[12:24] <ArmeBosse> just the beginning, marcin` cries again ...
[12:24] <Kyral> Then I can keep my promise to Riddell
[12:24] <ArmeBosse> i'll finish to read and ping you again ?
[12:24] <sistpoty> ArmeBosse: sure ;)
[12:24] <ArmeBosse> k :)
[12:25] <LaserJock> Kyral: I need to get back into school as well. People float in and out, I think that is one of the freedoms of Universe :-)
[12:25] <ogra> ajmitch_, why ?
[12:25] <Kyral> Right now I'm learning how to build and admin my own server
[12:25] <Kyral> so, practical experiance :D
[12:25] <LaserJock> ogra: cause the binaries are from checkinstall
[12:26] <ogra> LaserJock, i know :)
[12:26] <Kyral> Yah...I was gonna SCREAM at that guy
[12:26] <ogra> i downloaded them and did a lintian check ;)
[12:26] <ajmitch_> ogra: checkinstall
[12:26] <dolson> it's cute
[12:26] <Kyral> He even said they were CheckInstall
[12:26] <ajmitch_> do you imagine that he'll suddenly produce policy-compliant source packages?
[12:26] <ogra> its cool, its able to put *everything* into one deb ... :)
[12:26] <LaserJock> well, I think he really wants  to help, but is maybe just a little naive
[12:27] <ogra> ajmitch_, i dont ...
[12:28] <ajmitch_> ogra: as LaserJock said, it's great that he wants to help out..
[12:29] <ogra> yup
[12:29] <ajmitch_> which is why I told him to come here & learn packaging
[12:29] <ogra> i'd even help him making sane packages if he gave up the name ;)
[12:30] <ajmitch_> sure, the name is certainly confusing enough
[12:30] <ajmitch_> ogra: I think you'd end up having to make most of the packages yourself
[12:30] <ogra> its the only thing i'm concerned about
[12:30] <sistpoty> First thing I thought when reading the mail was ogra misspelled s.th ;)
[12:30] <ogra> heh
[12:31] <ogra> i dont see probs there :) it will just take longer to get it right
[12:32] <ajmitch_> quite awhile
[12:32] <LaserJock> I really think it should just be getting e17 into the repos instead of a derivative
[12:33] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: that's why I started talking with him, to see if he had packages that could be reviewed for inclusion
[12:35] <ArmeBosse> sistpoty: finished, wow 3rd long discussion about our collaboration ...
[12:35] <ArmeBosse> poor LaserJock listening again and again ...
[12:35] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:36] <LaserJock> I know
[12:36] <LaserJock> but I'm just trying to help out
[12:36] <ArmeBosse> :)
[12:36] <ArmeBosse> difficult task
[12:36] <sistpoty> ArmeBosse: well, my first suggestion would be, that you try to sort it out yourselves... if that doesn't work, I guess we'd need to do s.th. about that
[12:37] <ArmeBosse> i think that 1st propal already passed
[12:37] <LaserJock> ArmeBosse: have you considered all of marcin`'s changes? How many have "thrown" out?
[12:38] <ArmeBosse> s.th. ?
[12:38] <sistpoty> ArmeBosse: yes... something... but what I don't know myself yet
[12:38] <ajmitch_> great, SELinux policy development IDE released
[12:38] <ajmitch_> a shame it's too late to get this into dapper
[12:39] <sistpoty> ArmeBosse: do you think collaboration with marcin` works in general or do you think it's not bearable as it is in the current state?
[12:39] <ArmeBosse> LaserJock: really, my point of view, small changes have been thrown away
[12:39] <ajmitch_> ogra: will we have any exceptions for the NEW packages & feature freeze?
[12:39] <ogra> ajmitch_, TB meeting would have been the right place to ask that ;)
[12:39] <ajmitch_> ogra: as long as they hold the TB meeting at that time, I can't get to it
[12:40] <ArmeBosse> sistpoty: it's not bearable, for me it's a big liar, a shame to discuss in this chan about it
[12:40] <ajmitch_> ogra: I don't have internet access outside of where I'm working at the moment
[12:40] <ogra> i think we need to discuss that ... at least ask mdz/Kamion how they want to hanle it
[12:41] <marcin`> I don't think that we really shoud talk about this anymore
[12:41] <marcin`> I already think that we got solution
[12:41] <marcin`> we should wait for ArmeBosse fixes to existing package
[12:41] <ajmitch_> ogra: I've got 1 or 2 that I couldn't get done before FF - I can upload them to debian, of course
[12:41] <marcin`> then we should try to collaborate in vtigerforge
[12:42] <marcin`> and if not then maybe we will try to do something on revu
[12:42] <ArmeBosse> about that ... what you reported to me is fixed 2 hours later, we can check on svn
[12:42] <ArmeBosse> then look when i've done last upload, some hours later ...
[12:42] <sistpoty> marcin`, ArmeBosse: ok, then I won't undertake anything right now
[12:42] <ArmeBosse> can check on revu too ...
[12:43] <marcin`> and really this discussion was partially about our work on vtiger
[12:43] <marcin`> and don't get me wrong I really appreciate what ArmeBosse did to make this package workable
[12:43] <ArmeBosse> so when you tell that it's not fixed yet ...
[12:44] <marcin`> but there is still general question - what you do when someone want's to upload package that is designed in different way
[12:44] <marcin`> and that's it
[12:44] <marcin`> you just could consider an ability not to only review _one_ option on REVU
[12:44] <marcin`> but also compare
[12:44] <lucas> where can I compare the two packages ?
[12:45] <dholbach> good night guys
[12:45] <ajmitch_> night dholbach
[12:45] <sistpoty> marcin`: as I said before, it didn't happen yet... and imo it's also not meant to happen. revu is about getting good packages in and not about a design contest ;)
[12:45] <LaserJock> cya dholbach, thanks for the support at the TB meeting
[12:45] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[12:45] <dholbach> LaserJock: de rien :)
[12:45] <ajmitch_> marcin`: it shouldn't have to be up to us to compare two packages & choose one
[12:46] <ogra> sistpoty, cant revu just refuse packages if a current source already exists ?
[12:46] <sistpoty> ogra: you mean if s.o. else already uploaded that very sourcepackage to revu?
[12:46] <ogra> so the first one who started working leads the team ... at least WRT revu
[12:46] <marcin`> sistpoty, ajmitch_ ok it's your opinion
[12:46] <ogra> sistpoty, yup
[12:46] <ArmeBosse> lucas: at this stage , there's no marcin` only package so you can't compare
[12:47] <marcin`> mine is different - for me a chance to compare is good
[12:47] <sistpoty> ogra: revu1: no... and I didn't plan anything for revu2, imo it might be non-trivial
[12:47] <marcin`> because what we had at beginnig of our work with ArmeBosse
[12:47] <marcin`> he had good package and I also had good package
[12:48] <marcin`> we merged but we also could fight at beginning
[12:48] <sistpoty> ogra: what if a package get's accepted to universe, and a motu-hopeful does a fix and uploads that to revu? would then be disallowed as well
[12:48] <marcin`> then you couldn't have an ability to take a look on merged package
[12:48] <lucas> your description is very long, although I'm not sure if there's a policy about this
[12:48] <ogra> sistpoty, do we archive the uploads ? then its a problem ... else its trivial, you just scan the cache for a source package name and refuse the upload if it already exists
[12:48] <lucas> missing caps in the description, too
[12:48] <lucas> *T*his package
[12:48] <lucas> *Homepage
[12:48] <ogra> sistpoty, it would need to flush the cache/queue regulary indeed
[12:48] <sistpoty> ogra: yes, every upload is archived
[12:49] <ArmeBosse> lucas: i can tell, it's me for the caps ;)
[12:49] <sistpoty> ogra: might be a solution... but I see this slightly as "technical solution for a social problem"... and would rather not fix it, unless it's a must
[12:49] <ogra> sistpoty, ok, then i agree about non-trivial
[12:50] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I agree
[12:50] <ogra> but thats a social problem you cant solve ...
[12:50] <ogra> only by communicatng more in advance probably
[12:50] <lucas> is the MPL considered free by Ubuntu ?
[12:50] <lucas> I don't think it is by debian-legal
[12:50] <ArmeBosse> lucas: about caps, there's nothing that tell caps is a requirement no ?
[12:51] <ArmeBosse> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control
[12:51] <ogra> lucas, every license that allows free redistribution is ok for us ...
[12:51] <sistpoty> ogra: yes... probably... but we still have the option to nuke a "hijacking" upload, so I don't think it would be such a big deal
[12:51] <lucas> EXACTLY. AND YOU CAN WRITE EVERYTHING WITH CAPS LOCK ON TOO. IT'S JUST GOOD PRACTISE NOT TO.
[12:51] <ArmeBosse> :)
[12:51] <sistpoty> lucas: sheeshh... my ears ;)
[12:51] <ogra> lucas, the question is where your package has to end up with MPL
[12:52] <lucas> ArmeBosse: see ? ;)
[12:52] <ArmeBosse> lucas: about MPL ;) http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/11/msg00112.html
[12:52] <ArmeBosse> see ;)
[12:53] <ArmeBosse> i resume : some people say it's not free, some other tell it's free
[12:53] <ArmeBosse> but there's existing MPL apps in debian ...
[12:54] <ArmeBosse> so we accept MPL
[12:54] <lucas> ok
[12:54] <ogra> as i said, every license that allows free redistribution
[12:54] <ogra> we even have apple licensed stuff ...
[12:55] <ArmeBosse> lucas: for info it's a thread that i started ;) asking 1st debian-legal about this issue
[12:56] <tseng> ogra: apple2
[12:56] <tseng> not 1
[12:56] <tseng> iirc
[12:56] <lucas> it's not about who is being the first on the issue
[12:56] <lucas> it's about making the package the better possible
[12:56] <ArmeBosse> yes i know, just info
[12:56] <lucas> topic shift - is anybody using ekiga ?
[12:56] <ogra> tseng, squeak ... which isnt shipped in debian at all ... no idea if its 1 or 2 though
[12:57] <tseng> lucas: have used
[12:57] <tseng> lucas: sure
[12:57] <lucas> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330586
[12:57] <lucas> does this sound familiar ?
[12:57] <Ubugtu> gnome2 bug 330586 in general "Doesn't work if esd is enabled" [Major,Unconfirmed] 
[12:57] <tseng> I disable esd 100% of the time
[12:57] <tseng> its useless
[12:57] <ogra> not really
[12:58] <ogra> its essential for ltsp sound :P
[12:58] <tseng> not if you are mr. netboot I guess
[12:58] <tseng> for joe laptop user, not so much
[12:58] <ogra> true
[12:58] <dolson> isn't esd the only way to get sounds when you click on things in GNOME?
[12:58] <ogra> i'll have a party if i can throw it out of ltsp one day :)
[12:58] <tseng> I dont want sounds when i click things
[12:58] <tseng> its obnoxious
[12:58] <dolson> but that is an essential function!
[12:59] <tseng> that is probably going to moved to gst someday anyway
[12:59] <tseng> (if not already?)
[12:59] <ogra> there is a patch for libgnome->gstreamer support upstream anywhere in the bugtracker
[12:59] <ogra> sadly only for 0.8
[01:00] <ArmeBosse> sistpoty: what's next ? you need to discuss between motus ? :)
[01:00] <dolson> I always have to kill esd before starting JACK otherwise system sounds give me the xruns
[01:00] <sistpoty> ArmeBosse: hm... what?
[01:00] <TheMuso> dolson: Just turn off esd perminantly.
[01:00] <ArmeBosse> don't know, no solution ATM ?
[01:01] <TheMuso> If you really don't want sound events.
[01:01] <dolson> TheMuso: but I like the sounds!
[01:01] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[01:01] <dolson> TheMuso: QJackCtl turns off esd for me
[01:01] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[01:08] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: are the poll dates correct?
[01:09] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I'm worried that it opens on 3rd april & closes 3rd august
[01:09] <ajmitch_> but I don';t know if LP is using yyyy-mm-dd or yyyy-dd-mm
[01:09] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: I hope so... I entered them in german format, hope it works
[01:10] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: thanks for noting... my first poll and then this ;)
[01:10] <ajmitch_> asking in #launchpad
[01:11] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: damn, I broke it...
[01:11] <ajmitch_> hehe
[01:12] <sistpoty> I tried 2006-13-02 to find out it's yyyy-mm-dd... and now I can't edit it again *g*
[01:22] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+poll/motumeeting-06-03-2 :)
[01:22] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:24] <dolson> It's cool... It's fresh... Stick it ON the fridge? Shouldn't you stick it IN the fridge?
[01:25] <tseng> dolson: no? you stick your acheivements as a kid on the fridge
[01:25] <tseng> good test scores or pictures
[01:25] <tseng> with a magnet
[01:26] <dolson> oh ok. but my childhood achievements were seldom "fresh" as in "not sour milk" or "cool" as in "the leftover potatoes are no longer hot"
[01:26] <dolson> it was just confusing, that's all :)
[01:37] <freeflying-ibook> any admin of REVU here?
[01:38] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: what's your problem?
[01:38] <freeflying-ibook> sistpoty: may u delete a package of mine on REVU
[01:39] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: sure... delete or just archive? and what package?
[01:40] <freeflying-ibook> sistpoty: delete quarry, I'd upload it later
[01:41] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: do you want to upload the same source-version of quarry to revu again later?
[01:42] <freeflying-ibook> sistpoty: Can I send RFS to mentors with package uploaded to REVU
[01:42] <freeflying-ibook> sistpoty: ya
[01:42] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: not quite sure about mentors, I guess you can, but better ask ajmitch_ or another friendly DD ;)
[01:43] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: ping
[01:43] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: if you upload again later, I'd prefer to keep the current package. that way reviewers can also look at the debdiffs to previous versions
[01:44] <freeflying-ibook> sistpoty: shall I uplaod a initial release ?
[01:44] <ajmitch_> yes?
[01:45] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: may I send RFS to mentors with package uploaded to REVU
[01:45] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: initial release that will go into debian?
[01:45] <ajmitch_> no, because debian needs a different changelog entry (x.y.z-1 & unstable as distro)
[01:46] <freeflying-ibook> sistpoty: I wanna to do in that way
[01:46] <freeflying-ibook> ajmitch_: I'd change the changelog to meet with debian's need
[01:47] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: then I don't think another upload to revu is needed, since we are in feature-freeze right now and can't bring new packages to dapper any longer
[01:47] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: thus quarry will simply get synced from debian during the next merge-run
[01:48] <freeflying-ibook> sistpoty: so I want to upload a initial release for debian, hope some DD may sponsor me
[01:49] <sistpoty> freeflying-ibook: ah... to revu... got it now... feel free to abuse revu for that, but please add a comment stating that this is for debian
[01:51] <freeflying-ibook> sistpoty: :)
[03:19] <LaserJock> is there a way to get the original upstream tarball name out of a source package?
[03:19] <ajmitch_> no
[03:19] <ajmitch_> since the packager is the one who renames it
[03:20] <LaserJock> hmm
[03:21] <LaserJock> well, so basically you have to go into debian/copyright or something and find where the packager got it?
[03:22] <ajmitch_> yes
[03:22] <ajmitch_> or debian/watch
[03:22] <LaserJock> seems like maybe it could/should be more automatic
[03:23] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: why?
[03:24] <ajmitch_> the 'automated' way is debian/watch
[03:24] <LaserJock> I suppose
[03:24] <LaserJock> I was just thinking about package checking tools
[03:24] <LaserJock> and a little side question somebody asked
[03:53] <sistpoty> woohoo: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/wip.py
[03:53] <bmonty> nice
[03:54] <sistpoty> will post an announcement to -motu in a minute ;)
[03:55] <ajmitch_> what contortions in malone must we go through?
[03:55] <ajmitch_> and can you get this to handle the UVF requests now? ;)
[03:55] <bmonty> how do I add unmet deps work to the page?
[03:56] <ajmitch_> bmonty: all in good time..
[03:56] <ajmitch_> sistpoty will enlighten us all
[03:56] <sistpoty> ajmitch_, bmonty: mail just sent ;)
[03:57] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: and no, it cannot make decisions for UVF-requests ;)
[03:57] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I didn't say decisions, I said tracking them
[03:57] <ajmitch_> since UVF requests could have this as a subscriber
[03:58] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: it's not really intended to track uvf-requests, but rather work being done on a package (maybe syncs as well)
[03:58] <bmonty> sistpoty: would you accept patches to add things to the list without opening a bug in malone?
[03:58] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: but with a fgew more hours hacking I'm sure you could.. ;)
[03:58] <sistpoty> bmonty: sure
[03:59] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: yes, I guess I could... but there are other things I'd like to add at first ;)
[03:59] <sistpoty> e.g. date of last bug activity
[04:07] <LaserJock> bmonty: hi!
[04:07] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[04:07] <sistpoty> re
[04:08] <bmonty> sistpoty: are you using postgres for your database?
[04:08] <sistpoty> bmonty: yes
[04:09] <LaserJock> hmm, I think I might try to use my new MOTU powers tonight
[04:09] <bmonty> LaserJock: congrats!
[04:10] <sistpoty> btw.: this is just not fair: lp-bug mails contain a header X-Launchpad-Bug now, which means the sophisticated and very volatile email-parser could be shrunk to two regexp's now
[04:10] <LaserJock> bmonty: thanks
[04:10] <LaserJock> sistpoty: lol, all your work wasted :(
[04:11] <sistpoty> LaserJock: not all my work... took me only maybe two hours to write it in the first place
[04:11] <sistpoty> (actually to debug it... writing it was much faster *g*)
[04:11] <LaserJock> I'm glad you're that effecent then, it would have taken me a lot longer
[04:12] <sistpoty> thx
[04:12] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: great, might as well shrink it down
[04:13] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: you'll still have the old code in bzr :)
[04:13] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: yes, seems like a good idea... but I won't do any changes tonight any more ;)
[04:13] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: can I ask you a bzr question?
[04:13] <ajmitch_> sure
[04:14] <ajmitch_> and bzr made this job just that little bit easier ;)
[04:14] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: I have the "main" branch on tiber, I pulled it with bzr branch... how do I push my local changes back to tiber?
[04:15] <ajmitch_> bzr merge on tiber
[04:15] <ajmitch_> or you can use bzr push with your local branch to a place where it can be merged on tiber
[04:15] <ajmitch_> eg I branch from the 'main' branch onto my laptop
[04:15] <ajmitch_> commit
[04:15] <LaserJock> any thoughts on how many packages are in Ubuntu with watch files?
[04:15] <ajmitch_> bzr push tiber:~/branches/ajmitch-crack
[04:16] <ajmitch_> then go to the main branch, bzr merge ~ajmitch/branch/ajmitch-crack
[04:16] <ajmitch_> bzr commit -m"Merged in crazy changes from ajmitch"
[04:16] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: but this will always involve me being logged in on tiber and doing bzr commands there... any way to avoid that?
[04:16] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: pqm :)
[04:17] <ajmitch_> which would have been in dapper
[04:17] <ajmitch_> but I didn't get the package finished in time
[04:17] <ajmitch_> since I am lazy
[04:17] <ajmitch_> you could probably also just push to the main branch
[04:17] <ajmitch_> but I can't recall what limitations there are in pushing to there
[04:18] <ajmitch_> I'd ask in #bzr, jblack would know
[04:18] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: no, tried that... it works, but I need to bzr revert on tiber then because the files there are still at the old version
[04:18] <ajmitch_> (or lifeless)
[04:18] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: ok, thanks... will do that :)
[04:18] <ajmitch_> you could use the bzrtools push
[04:18] <ajmitch_> which uses rsync & updates the working tree as well
[04:19] <sistpoty> ah, great :)
[04:19] <bmonty> I've had file permission issues with the bzr push
[04:20] <bmonty> I'm sure it is something with my setup, but it is kinda annoying
[04:20] <sistpoty> bmonty: yes, seems like probs with your setup... I tried bzr push sftp://sistpoty@tiber.tauware.de/path
[04:21] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: rsync syntax is slightly different
[04:22] <sladen> dudes, bzr so needs zsync for synching
[04:22] <sistpoty> sladen: what exactly is zsync? gzip'd rsync stream?
[04:23] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I was just going to ask the same question
[04:23] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:24] <tseng> Description: client-side implementation of the rsync algorithm
[04:24] <ajmitch_> sladen: I don't know if it'd help  - but feel free to write up a plugin :)
[04:24] <lifeless> sistpoty: hi
[04:24] <ajmitch_> hey lifeless
[04:24] <sistpoty> hi lifeless
[04:24] <lifeless> sistpoty: bzr sftp push does not push the users source files for a number of reasons
[04:24] <lifeless> sistpoty: what do you need the latest files on tiber for ?
[04:25] <ajmitch_> lifeless: btw the pqm package is sitting on a dead box back in NZ
[04:25] <lifeless> ajmitch_: dude :[
[04:25] <sistpoty> lifeless: because everybody should be able to branch from it... and I like to do work on my local machine
[04:25] <ajmitch_> I should be back there in a week or so
[04:25] <lifeless> sistpoty: they can do that
[04:26] <lifeless> sistpoty: without it having the latest files there. as long as the .bzr dir is up to date, branch, pull, merge, missing etc will all work
[04:26] <sistpoty> lifeless: and if I branch from there, it will get me the latest version? that's great then :)
[04:26] <lifeless> sistpoty: yup
[04:26] <sistpoty> cool, thx lifeless
[04:26] <lifeless> sistpoty: there are two separate things at the url.
[04:26] <lifeless> there is the branch
[04:26] <lifeless> and there is the working tree
[04:27] <lifeless> other bzr commands refer to the branch, not the working tree (*)
[04:27] <lifeless> (*) mostly ;)
[04:28] <sistpoty> ah... only thing why it might be nice to have the working tree updated, is that you could also browse the files directly via browser... but that would be just an additional bonus
[04:28] <lifeless> yup
[04:28] <lifeless> bzr webserve ;0
[04:28] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: is that the working tree that gets used by apache?
[04:28] <ajmitch_> or different?
[04:29] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: hm? the files are directly in my public_html, so it is the working tree, right?
[04:30] <ajmitch_> yeah
[04:30] <sistpoty> (but as well the branch, just not displayed=
[04:30] <sistpoty> s/=/\)/
[04:30] <ajmitch_> so you need the working tree & brnach to be in sync there
[04:31] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: the branch is the essential piece, since it's what ppl. can (and imo should) branch from... the working tree would only be a bonus
[04:31] <lifeless> ajmitch_: huh ?
[04:32] <lifeless> ajmitch_: they only need to be in sync if you are telling people that that is the current source, and bzr webserve is much nicer imo
[04:32] <lifeless> ajmitch_: cause that is like cvsview
[04:32] <ajmitch_> lifeless: it's a webapp, so looking at the source is less important than running it
[04:33] <ajmitch_> eg http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/wip.py
[04:33] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: hehe, yes, no... *g*
[04:33] <lifeless> ajmitch_: so, different use case ;)
[04:33] <ajmitch_> so I'd think that the desired behaviour would for bzr push to update branch as well as the code being run
[04:33] <ajmitch_> lifeless: slightly
[04:33] <lifeless> ajmitch_: I suggest cron, or 'ssh tiber bzr revert'
[04:34] <lifeless> ajmitch_: updating the users code is /much harder/
[04:34] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: I use a local copy from the repo on tiber for production... I don't want the working app to get corrupted by me doing some bzr foo ;)
[04:34] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: ah right
[04:34] <lifeless> ajmitch_: consider - 3 way conflict detection over sftp ?
[04:34] <ajmitch_> lifeless: please no
[04:34] <lifeless> ajmitch_: thats what it requires
[04:34] <lifeless> ajmitch_: we have no way short of downloading every user file to detect local modifications made in the remote working copy
[04:35] <ajmitch_> which is why rsync tramples modifications in the remote working copy?
[04:35] <lifeless> yes
[04:36] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I'll let you choose then :)
[04:36] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:36] <ajmitch_> lifeless: how does pqm handle it? no local modifications allowed to the branch under its control?
[04:37] <sistpoty> ok... /me really needs to go to bed now... gn8 everyone
[04:37] <ajmitch_> night sistpoty
[04:38] <lifeless> ajmitch_: it uses bzr push
[04:38] <lifeless> ajmitch_: so it does whatever that does for the bzrlib it has
[04:38] <lifeless> ajmitch_: it takes a new checkout of the branch, does the ops to that, then commits that back
[04:39] <lifeless> if there are user file mods they get ignored.
[04:39] <lifeless> if there are other commits to the branch while its doing this the commit fails
[04:39] <ajmitch_> ok
[04:40] <lifeless> jfajfjheghwerg
[04:40] <lifeless> have I mentioned evo shits me
[04:40] <ajmitch_> which is why I stick with mutt still
[04:43] <LaserJock> it took ~ 1 minute to screw up my imap in evo so I just stick to thunderbird and pine
[04:48] <LaserJock> is it ok to put help docs that a app uses in /usr/share/<app>/doc/ instead of /usr/share/doc/<app>/ ?
[04:48] <ajmitch_> ah, it's lovely to visit the forums & see unofficial f-spot 0.1.10 debs floating around
[04:49] <ajmitch_> of course they've versioned them as 0.1.10-1, so my upload won't override it
[04:49] <ajmitch_> and some of them will no doubt file bugs based on their unofficial package
[04:49] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: yes, we need an script to search the forums for .debs and automatically upload them ;-)
[04:50] <LaserJock> lol, I better watch it or the TB will take my MOTUness away
[04:52] <LaserJock> I think something like "WIP" would be better than "accepted work" for the bug titles
[04:53] <ajmitch_> probably
[04:53] <ajmitch_> just hack it & ask sistpoty to merge tomorrow
[04:53] <bmonty> LaserJock: or maybe the title could be anythin and we put a specific string in the description?
[05:00] <ajmitch_> I wonder if bddebian is going to come back
[05:00] <ajmitch_> I see he's active elsewhere at the moment
[05:01] <whiprush> where at?
[05:02] <ajmitch_> debian gnu/hurd hacking again
[05:02] <whiprush> whoa.
[05:02] <whiprush> heh, he didn't seem like the hurd type.
[05:02] <ajmitch_> he's one of *them*
[05:03] <bmonty> I saw him here about a month ago
[05:04] <ajmitch_> sure, for a few hours
[05:05] <ajmitch_> saying how much he sucked & didn't have ubuntu time :)
[05:05] <bmonty> heh
[05:05] <whiprush> i liked the guy
[05:05] <whiprush> he seemed to have a self esteem problem though
[05:06] <whiprush> always ripping on his own work and stuff
[05:06] <whiprush> "I suck compared to ajmitch"
[05:06] <whiprush> well dude, join the club!
[05:07] <ajmitch_> whiprush: no, he didn't say that :P
[05:07] <bmonty> I enjoyed watching bddebian and ajmitch "discuss" packages :)
[05:07] <ajmitch_> bmonty: I was kind..
[05:07] <bmonty> ajmitch_: I didn't say you weren't
[05:07] <ajmitch_> whiprush: and I can say that I suck since I haven't uploaded for a month or so :)
[05:08] <whiprush> ajmitch_: I liked his attitude, his freegoing nature.
[05:08] <ajmitch_> I've been letting these guys do the work, and I just sit & complain on irc
[05:08] <whiprush> need more of that in OSS, imo.
[05:08] <ajmitch_> whiprush: oh?
[05:09] <whiprush> ajmitch_: he had that little brother vibe thing going.
[05:10] <ajmitch_> heh
[05:10] <whiprush> though I'm puzzled how he ended up on the hurd of all things
[05:10] <ajmitch_> and I just grew into the role of nasty bullying big brother? :)
[05:10] <ajmitch_> oh he was on the hurd long before ubuntu was around
[05:10] <whiprush> really?
[05:10] <ajmitch_> in those days I thought the hurd was interesting
[05:11] <ajmitch_> I've seen him on IRC for quite awhile before he was around here
[05:11] <whiprush> ah.
[05:11] <whiprush> maybe he's a harcore microkernel guy underneath that soft-guy packaging facade.
[05:12] <ajmitch_> heh
[05:12] <tseng> ajmitch_: upload f-spot please
[05:12] <tseng> ajmitch_: 1 a month is good.
[05:12] <whiprush> yeah dude, hurting me
[05:12] <ajmitch_> tseng: yes sir
[05:12] <tseng> ajmitch_: woo
[05:13] <ajmitch_> I could just leave it for slomo_ to take as well
[05:14] <tseng> he likes to take things
[05:14] <tseng> but he will be maxed out one of these days
[05:14] <tseng> he makes us look bad
[05:14] <ajmitch_> I looked bad already
[05:14] <ajmitch_> a little more doesn't hurt
[05:15] <whiprush> ah, the young, so full of spirit.
[05:15] <tseng> yeah im down 90% since slomo
[05:15] <tseng> or something.
[05:15] <ajmitch_> sladen: so are you going to push for apparmour in ubuntu now?
[05:15] <ajmitch_> tseng: you fought the good fight
[05:15] <whiprush> tseng: you could always fix up ifolder *snicker*
[05:16] <tseng> whiprush: no comment
[05:16] <ajmitch_> whiprush: of course
[05:16] <ajmitch_> whiprush: we'll leave that for mez to clean up
[05:17] <whiprush> to be fair, upstream has been broken for a long time.
[05:18] <ajmitch_> I suppose I should do some work on pnet as well
[05:20] <bmonty> goodnight everyone
[05:22] <sladen> ajmitch_: not sure, what do you think.  I at least feel that I'm someway to understanding it
[05:23] <ajmitch_> sladen: I know that the Powers That Be are going to want to settle on only 1 solution
[05:23] <sladen> ajmitch_: I'm inclined to believe it solves some of the problem  too-complicated-to-be-useful
[05:23] <sladen> ajmitch_: they both use the same LSM hooks that are already in
[05:23] <ajmitch_> I feel that it has its uses, but it isn't as useful as selinux
[05:23] <sladen> ajmitch_: coding up both examples will likely yield a result
[05:24] <ajmitch_> sure they both use LSM hooks, but the integration goes further than that
[05:24] <sladen> ajmitch_: I certainly agree that selinux is more flexible
[05:25] <ajmitch_> and people are actively working on selinux in debian (and ubuntu)
[05:25] <ajmitch_> I guess it'll come down to who can market their wares better to the developers who will choose
[05:25] <sladen> ajmitch_: yeah, that's the thing  "have been actively working on SELinux for 2 years", vs. the week or so that it would take to completely round out AppArmour
[05:26] <ajmitch_> week? that's incredibly optimistic
[05:26] <sladen> ajmitch_: I was going to say a day...
[05:26] <ajmitch_> and you'd trust a security system that you could throw into the distro in a day to do its job?
[05:27] <sladen> ajmitch_: if you asked me a direct question along the lines of  "since your time is important, which would you choose"  I'd find that fairly easy to answer
[05:27] <sladen> ajmitch_: I'd trust a security system that I could _understand_ in a day.
[05:27] <whiprush> howdy sladen
[05:27] <ajmitch_> whiprush: yes, I punish myself sometimes
[05:28] <sladen> greetings whiprush, I'm disease-free at the moment
[05:28] <whiprush> sladen: heh, nice. caught your video testimonial.
[05:28] <whiprush> my thinkpad also runs ubuntu. :D
[05:29] <whiprush> ajmitch_: with that thread out of the way the gnome-screensaver threads can perculate to the top.
[05:29] <ajmitch_> whiprush: joy
[05:31] <sladen> oh, it's mailman^W rent day
[05:42] <dolson> http://www.rivironline.com/march7.png
[05:49] <sladen> dolson: :)
[05:50] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[05:51] <Hobbsee> heya LaserJock
[05:52] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: how's it going?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: good, just got home from uni, and visited my old school :)
[05:53] <LaserJock> so have you started uni? I thought you were younger than that
[05:53] <Kyral> I didn't even know that Hobbsee was a she until the CC Meeting
[05:53] <LaserJock> well, it's not like it's a video conference Kyral ;-)
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Kyral: hehe - seems like a lot dont, unless i mention it or paste from my console...
[05:54] <Hobbsee> thank goodness for that!
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Kyral: it tends to be easier if you conceal your gender - not so many people try to hit on you that way
[05:55] <ajmitch_> Kyral: don't go silly on us now
[05:55] <dolson> Hobbsee: what ru wearin
[05:55] <LaserJock> lol, nothing like a geeky girl to turn linux nerds into idiots ;-)
[05:55] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: no kidding
[05:56] <dolson> Hobbsee: vote for me!
[05:56] <Hobbsee> for what?
[05:56] <ajmitch_> dolson: you're meant to ask "ASL???/"
[05:56] <Kyral> Hobbsee: I've dealt with Kassetra so :P
[05:56] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: he wants to be an ubuntu member, iirc
[05:56] <Hobbsee> Kyral: hehe true
[05:56] <ajmitch_> hello azeem_
[05:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: ah, i see
[05:56] <Kyral> Scares me sometimes, Kass
[05:56] <dolson> Hobbsee: http://www.rivironline.com/march7.png
[05:56] <LaserJock> hi azeem
[05:56] <Hobbsee> rofl @ dolson
[05:57] <dolson> I am in a forest
[05:57] <LaserJock> dolson: that's good, they can't deny you with that
[05:57] <Hobbsee> ugh, i dont wanna be up that early more than i have to...
[05:57] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: have you gone for membership yet?
[05:57] <dolson> LaserJock: I hope you're right. that pic is all I have going for me
[05:57] <LaserJock> ouch
[05:58] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: of course not
[05:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: yes, i have lol
[05:58] <Hobbsee> i would have thought you got emailed - i thought you were part of that team, obviously not
[05:58] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: I can't get to meetings while they're at silly times
[05:58] <dolson> whoa. it just turned March 1st here
[05:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: indeed...hmmm...5am?
[05:59] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: only got net access at work
[05:59] <Hobbsee> ah...i see...
[05:59] <ajmitch_> and I'm on brisbane time
[05:59] <LaserJock> ok, back to bug fixing. I am wondering if it is ok to put docs in /usr/share/<app>/doc/ instead of /usr/share/doc/<app>
[05:59] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: my apologies for doubting your membership in any way, shape, or form ;)
[06:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: not a problem :)  - i just thought it was ironic :)
[06:00] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: now when are you going for MOTU?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> rofl!
[06:00] <Hobbsee> not yet!
[06:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:00] <ajmitch_> good, you probably need to do more packaging for them to consider you
[06:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, just a bit
[06:02] <Hobbsee> hehe - you're already a MOTU as well arent you ajmitch_?
[06:03] <ajmitch_> yes
[06:03] <Hobbsee> oh yes, yes you were, and i was so freaked that you were going to review my package!
[06:03] <ajmitch_> haha
[06:03] <ajmitch_> I'm not that bad
[06:03] <ajmitch_> honest
[06:03] <Hobbsee> :P i see that now
[06:03] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: ajmitch_ is also a DD and a core dev, I think
[06:03] <Hobbsee> eep!  ok...he still counts as scary...
[06:03] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: SLUG meeting or uni? :)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: hmmm?
[06:04] <ajmitch_> scary people can be found at both of those, no doubt
[06:04] <Hobbsee> mind you, i see that the IT club at uni is handing out linux cds
[06:04] <Hobbsee> ah, true
[06:04] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: yes, but it doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about
[06:05] <Hobbsee> and my computing course wants me to run windows to run cygwin to run a c++ compiler/debugger/program thingo!
[06:05] <LaserJock> umm, sure
[06:06] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: makes sense
[06:07] <Hobbsee> i dont like booting to that miserable operating system!  apart from the fact that it doesnt connect to the net
[06:09] <ajmitch_> which reminds me that I should try the ALSA drivers from CVS
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:15] <ajmitch_> lots & lots of bug fixes?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> and how does one fix those bugs and upload them to the server?  with debdiffs?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> REVU seems to hate me
[06:17] <LaserJock> attaching a debdiff to the bug report helps
[06:17] <ajmitch_> one can attach debdiffs to bugreports in malone
[06:17] <ajmitch_> and then assign it to motureviewers
[06:17] <ajmitch_> and hopefully some motu like LaserJock will go through & upload it if it's correct
[06:18] <LaserJock> that's right
[06:18] <ajmitch_> it's great having new MOTUs ;)
[06:18] <Hobbsee> gotcha :)
[06:18] <Hobbsee> that's what i'd done for a couple of them a while ago - but didnt know what was happening after all the feature freezes and exceptions and all of that...
[06:19] <ajmitch_> depends on the fix
[06:19] <ajmitch_> new upstream versions need UVF exception
[06:20] <ajmitch_> feature freeze affected universe in that no new packages get in
[06:21] <Hobbsee> ok
[06:21] <Hobbsee> and one gets a UVF exception by poking one of you lot repeatedly, right?
[06:22] <ajmitch_> no
[06:22] <ajmitch_> it has changed
[06:22] <ajmitch_> latest details are on the motu list
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ok, will go look
[06:22] <dolson> relating to that, I have some packages on my LP page that means they were uploaded, right, but they have not yet appeared in Dapper. They are still sitting in the NEW queue, correct? And there will be no build info for them until after they are passed out of NEW? and the question is now, will they leave NEW and be in Dapper at some point, or is it cut off now that FF has past, even though the packages are listed on my LP page?
[06:25] <LaserJock> dolson: I believe everything in the queue will get through
[06:25] <dolson> ok cool
[06:28] <LaserJock> dolson: I had the same concern, I've got a few in there too
[06:43] <ajmitch_> seems like the patches in CVS ought to enable sound for me
[06:43] <Hobbsee> yay!
[06:45] <dolson> LaserJock: ping
[06:45] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: simple fix - use gnome
[06:45] <Hobbsee> rofl!
[06:45] <dolson> heh
[06:45] <Hobbsee> sure
[06:47] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: it's truly the right path, you know
[06:48] <dolson> Hobbsee: yeah, you don't even have to/can't configure your screensavers! :)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:50] <dolson> KDE gets all the chicks
[06:50] <ajmitch_> haha
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:51] <ajmitch_> yeah, I'm sure that switching to KDE will help me so much :)
[06:51] <Hobbsee> hehe ajmitch_
[06:52] <ajmitch_> no
[06:52] <ajmitch_> far too young for that :)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> oh, ok then
[06:52] <Hobbsee> how old are you?
[06:52] <ajmitch_> or I spend too much time on ubuntu
[06:52] <ajmitch_> 23
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:53] <Hobbsee> for some reason, i thought you were older - maybe i was thinking of one of the other devs
[06:53] <ajmitch_> probably, a few of them are older & married
[06:53] <dolson> I'm 24, been married for 4 years
[06:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: how much do you have?
[06:54] <ajmitch_> dolson: nothing wrong with being married at that age, I just happen to be single still :)
[06:54] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: 1GB, but it's using swap
[06:55] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[06:56] <sladen> Hobbsee: riddell would love Kubuntu helpers if you prefer KDE!
[06:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:56] <LaserJock> dolson: pong
[06:57] <Hobbsee> sladen: it was him who suggested me going for membership, and eventually pointed me here as well
[06:57] <ajmitch_> I thought Hobbsee was already helping riddell & his plans?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: exactly
[06:57] <dolson> LaserJock: get to work! j/k I think I lost the link to your guide when I switched to Epiphany... could you link me so I can link someone else? :)
[06:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: jeeze I had been married for 4 year when I was your age
[06:57] <dolson> LaserJock uses KDE
[06:58] <LaserJock> I do?
[06:58] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: yeah I'm just slow it seems
[06:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: it's ok to be slow
[06:58] <ajmitch_> maybe I'm just too picky :)
[06:58] <LaserJock> dolson: the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[06:58] <dolson> ajmitch_: or maybe the girls are too picky? ;)
[06:59] <dolson> LaserJock: yup plz
[06:59] <ajmitch_> dolson: far more likely
[06:59] <Hobbsee> hehe @ dolson
[06:59] <LaserJock> dolson: doc.ubuntu.com
[06:59] <dolson> :\ I knew that!
[07:00] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: sorry, I don't plan to be down in sydney anytime soon :)
[07:00] <Hobbsee> haha - i *knew* someone would respond like that!
[07:00] <ajmitch_> someone had to
[07:01] <dolson> I woulda but I'm happily married to someone who looks a bit like a slightly younger Jena Malone
[07:02] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: please don't I've already got more than enough
[07:02] <ajmitch_> though I guess yet another f-spot bug won't be noticed
[07:03] <Hobbsee> build you silly knetwork!  build!!
[07:04] <ajmitch_> Hobbsee: if it's a valid bug I won't mind
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yeah true, but that would require actually finding one
[07:04] <ajmitch_> not very hard
[07:04] <ajmitch_> great, my code compiles again
[07:05] <Hobbsee> yay!
[07:07] <ajmitch_> knetwork giving you issues?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> there's been a bug in kopete for ages - just found a bug report for it, tried to fix it a few days ago, but the repo version with change build-deps wouldnt compile
[07:08] <Hobbsee> bug 19661
[07:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 19661 in kdenetwork kopete "missing build dependency libxss and libxss-dev" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/19661
[07:08] <ajmitch_> what broke?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> auto-away plugin in kopete - as far as i know, it's always been borked
[07:08] <Hobbsee> think it got assigned as a package bug, but i dont really remember - was so long ago that i reported it on bugs.kde.org
[07:09] <ajmitch_> still open upstream?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> i really dont remember
[07:09] <Hobbsee> couldnt find it when i went searching it, for the CC meeting...
[07:17] <dolson> LaserJock: where's the section on how to use checkinstall?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> dolson: use sudo checkinstall, when in the source directory
[07:17] <Hobbsee> but the ubuntu version doesnt work on dapper
[07:18] <Hobbsee> it segfaults
[07:19] <dolson> Hobbsee: ok cool. I'm going to make packages of the latest CVS of KDE for everyone to use
[07:19] <ajmitch_> dolson: SVN? :)
[07:20] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:20] <ajmitch_> dolson: of the trunk, or 3.5.x?
[07:20] <dolson> it uses SVN? darn, my joke is foiled once again
[07:20] <Hobbsee> holy sugar!
[07:21] <LaserJock> dolson: no checkinstall in the Packaging Guide, yet ;-)
[07:21] <ajmitch_> I saw that snapshot packages were on the kubuntu meeting agenda at one point
[07:21] <ajmitch_> not sure if it was discussed or if anything came of it
[07:21] <dolson> LaserJock: I thought it would be under the "Common Mistakes" section for sure
[07:22] <LaserJock> dolson: actually, something like "work with source packages not binary packages" might be in there
[07:22] <Hobbsee> oh well, i cant find the old kde bug for it...
[07:22] <LaserJock> ok, bed time. cya all
[07:22] <Hobbsee> night LaserJock
[07:22] <dolson> LaserJock: cya MOTU!
[07:24] <dolson> actually, I should sleep too.. I'm getting a furnace installed @ 8am so I can have some heat finally
[07:24] <Hobbsee> dolson: all real computer people dont use a furnace - they use the heat of their computers!
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hehe @ ajmitch_
[07:24] <Hobbsee> i was thinking that earlier, at uni
[07:25] <dolson> but I'm in Canada. it is cold
[07:25] <Hobbsee> hehe - was warm-ish here today too - was very nice!
[07:26] <ajmitch_> I should go further south
[07:26] <dolson> yeah, today was warm for us. it was -20C
[07:26] <Hobbsee> eww...
[08:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: now you can sleep :P - seeing as it's after 5pm
[08:00] <ajmitch_> haha
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hurry up and build you silly thing!
[08:01] <ajmitch_> someone's been clock-watching
[08:01] <Hobbsee> just happened to notice it
[08:01] <Hobbsee> why would i watch the clock?  i'm at home
[08:01] <Hobbsee> mind you, i was doing a lot of that earlier
[08:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: darn, it bailed out.  again
[08:07] <ajmitch_> ouch
[08:07] <ajmitch_> broken c++ code?
[08:07] <ajmitch_> can the plugin be disabled from building?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: dunno http://pastebin.com/577992
[08:08] <Hobbsee> that was just trying to rebuild kdenetwork after adding a couple of deps
[08:08] <ajmitch_> ah so it fails after compilation
[08:08] <ajmitch_> much easier to fix
[08:08] <Hobbsee> i'm presuming it's supposed to point to /etc/kde3/ktalkdrc
[08:09] <ajmitch_> and if that file doesn't get placed there at compilation, it'll break
[08:09] <Hobbsee> now if i can just figure out *where* to point it, then that'd be cool
[08:09] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[08:11] <Hobbsee> i didnt expect you to
[08:14] <ajmitch_> and you're doing all this in pbuilder
[08:14] <ajmitch_> which makes it harder to go & see what is happening
[08:20] <ajmitch_> yay, I can't upload from my laptop
[08:20] <ajmitch_> how fun
[08:22] <Hobbsee> yuck
[08:24] <ajmitch_> no matter, a quick scp to the box at home & it works
[08:44] <ajmitch_> see you tomorrow
[08:44] <Hobbsee> bye ajmitch_!
[08:51] <zakame> hello MOTUs
[08:52] <zakame> bye ajmitch_
[09:12] <Hobbsee> hmmm...this is weird
[09:14] <Hobbsee> kdenetwork builds on my system, yet not in my pbuilder
[09:52] <Tonio_> hi
[09:55] <zakame> heya Tonio_
[10:16] <Gloubiboulga> morning
[10:18] <zakame> heya Gloubiboulga
[10:18] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame :)
[10:34] <dholbach> hello ubuntu world!
[10:34] <Gloubiboulga> hey dholbach :)
[10:34] <dholbach> it's time for the MOTU Report again! :)
[10:34] <dholbach> hey Gloubiboulga
[10:34] <dholbach> *everybody pretends to be busy* ;)
[10:35] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[10:35] <dholbach> hey zakame :)
[10:50] <G0SUB> jpatrick
[11:03] <phanatic> hi people
[11:04] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic, G0SUB
[11:04] <G0SUB> Gloubiboulga howdy!
[11:04] <G0SUB> phanatic Ni hao!
[11:05] <jpatrick> sorry, I have to do some work
[11:05] <G0SUB> jpatrick fine ... later
[11:05] <jpatrick> parents bugging me
[11:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:05] <G0SUB> hmmf! problems kids face
[11:05] <Hobbsee> know what that's like
[11:09] <phanatic> hey G0SUB and Gloubiboulga
[11:19] <netzmeister> "parents debugging me" rofl
[11:19] <Hobbsee_away> hehe
[11:19] <phanatic> :D
[11:20] <G0SUB> netzmeister they sure will if you don't listen ...
[11:20] <G0SUB> just *think* about running inside gdb with a lot of break points here and there ...
[11:21] <netzmeister> ;-)
[11:22] <genstef> hi
[11:22] <G0SUB> genstef welcome!
[11:24] <genstef> I am atm doing an OEM installation, maybe I will have to add a driver that is not yet in ubuntu
[11:24] <G0SUB> genstef which one?
[11:25] <genstef> I will have to see
[11:25] <genstef> cs5535audio
[11:25] <genstef> it is in the 2.6.15 kernel though
[11:26] <G0SUB> hmm
[11:34] <genstef> G0SUB: do you know a channel where I could find OEM install support?
[11:34] <genstef> I get only a text konsole after oem installation here
[11:34] <G0SUB> genstef nope :(
[11:34] <G0SUB> genstef may be ubuntu-dev
[11:34] <genstef> jeff waught - what is his nick?
[11:35] <G0SUB> genstef jdub
[11:35] <G0SUB> it's waugh
[11:37] <genstef> he is not online :(
[11:37] <dholbach> he is
[11:37] <dholbach> but not in this channel
[11:37] <genstef> ah hi dholbach
[11:37] <genstef> 11:38 [freenode]  -!- There is no such nick waugh
[11:38] <G0SUB> genstef jdub
[11:38] <G0SUB> genstef his name is Jeff Waugh
[11:38] <genstef> ok
[11:38] <genstef> I just queried him, thank you!
[11:39] <G0SUB> genstef :)
[11:42] <genstef> I guess I need to add another driver
[01:39] <lucas> is there a way to get a package from the debian DELAYED queue ?
[01:41] <Mithrandir> sure
[01:41] <Mithrandir> scp it if you're a DD or ask me or some other DD to get it for you.
[01:41] <Mithrandir> there's no particular reason for it not being web-available, I just haven't done it.
[01:42] <lucas> libmailtools-perl_1.74-0.1 is the one I'm interested in
[01:42] <lucas> I'm not a DD
[02:07] <marcin`> hello MOTU's
[02:14] <marcin`> got a questoin
[02:14] <marcin`> question
[02:14] <marcin`> what should I do when I found bug in some existing package
[02:15] <marcin`> and I need this package+my fix as dependency for other new package I create?
[02:21] <dolson> marcin`: is there a bug report opened on Malone?
[02:33] <genstef> so, how can i get the snd-cs5535audio driver in ubuntu? Who is the developer responsible for selecting the drivers built?
[02:35] <dolson> genstef: is it in the vanilla kernel's ALSA or is it an add-on?
[02:35] <genstef> vanilla
[02:37] <ogra_> genstef, best to ask this in #ubuntu-kernel
[02:38] <dolson> yeah, and if it's in vanilla, I'm sure that there shouldn't be any objections to building it as a module, since it increases hardware support OOTB
[02:39] <ogra_> depends what it needs ...
[02:40] <genstef> well, I want to sell ubuntu on my devices
[02:40] <ogra_> if you have to make an intrusive change in 2.6.15 we wont see it in ...
[02:40] <ogra_> kernel is in a pretty frozen state already
[02:40] <genstef> ogra_: it is included in the upstream kernel
[02:40] <ogra_> genstef, in 2.6.15 ?
[02:40] <ogra_> then it should be in dapper as well
[02:40] <ogra_> thats the kernel we'll ship
[02:43] <zakame> evening MOTUs
[02:50] <marcin`> dolson: I'll report bug to malone
[02:50] <marcin`> and got 'lame' question
[02:50] <dolson> marcin`: if you have a patch, attach it in Malone
[02:50] <dolson> hey zakame
[02:50] <marcin`> dolson: hmm
[02:51] <marcin`> dolson: the thing is that I could attach patch because the only problem I see in current package
[02:51] <zakame> hi dolson! :D
[02:51] <dolson> zakame: http://www.rivironline.com/march7.png
[02:52] <marcin`> dolson: is that in control it has Depends: set to php5 while it should work with php4 too
[02:52] <marcin`> dolson: so php5 | php4 but another thing is that this version in universe is pretty much old
[02:53] <marcin`> dolson: and there is new version in upstream
[02:54] <dolson> marcin`: the depends thing, if valid, could be fixed for dapper, but a new upstream version isn't going to be fixed unless you successfully argue for a UVF exception
[02:56] <sebest_> hello, i did a package that is now in the repository, but when i proposed it to debian, i was asked to change the name of the source package
[02:57] <sebest_> how could i get the new package also in ubuntu repository?
[02:57] <sebest_> the package is libapache2-mod-dnssd
[02:58] <sebest_> anyone could advise me?
[02:59] <zakame> dolson: SUPER! If I can I'll give a +1 :D
[02:59] <slomo_> sebest_: best thing would probably be to write a mail to james.troup@ubuntu.com about it, tell him to sync the new package from debian and delete the old source package
[02:59] <sebest_> slomo_ i already sent him a mail
[02:59] <slomo_> any answer?
[02:59] <sebest_> in fact i sent him 2, one 2 wekes ago and one, one week ago :)
[02:59] <sebest_> none :s
[02:59] <sebest_> maybe my mails end up in the spam folder :)
[03:00] <slomo_> then he's busy... just wait ;)
[03:00] <dolson> zakame: March 7th, 1200UTC . hope you can make it  )
[03:00] <dolson> :) that is
[03:00] <sebest_> slomo_ but the package was in the NEW queue and it's now in the repos :(
[03:01] <zakame> dolson: I'll try to be there :)  Been a while since I attended the CC meetings
[03:01] <slomo_> sebest_: yes but we can't do anything about it, only elmo can
[03:02] <dolson> zakame: that's 7am my time, so I hope at least one person comes to cheer me on :)
[03:02] <sebest_> slomo_ no need to open a bug report?
[03:02] <zakame> dolson: that'll be 8pm at my end, I'll probably will be there
[03:02] <dolson> cool :)
[03:03] <marcin`> dolson: 'lame' question - how to create patch that I could attach to malone?
[03:03] <marcin`> dolson: debdiff?
[03:03] <slomo_> sebest_: hmm, file one... at least it helps to keep this in mind and don't forget it...
[03:03] <sebest_> slomo_, ok
[04:37] <phanatic> hi people
[04:37] <dolson> hi phanatic
[04:56] <Pupeno> Hello.
[04:57] <dolson> hey Pupeno
[04:57] <Pupeno> How do you specify a TODO in a package that is almost done and you upload it to REVU ?
[05:03] <phanatic> raphink: did u get my mail?
[06:48] <LaserJock> are syncs or NEW being processed again?
[06:49] <azeem> 18:18 < elmo> sladen: syncs are queueing, I'll get to them as soon as I can
[06:49] <azeem> dunno if that helps, or whether he was talking about something else
[06:50] <LaserJock> azeem: well, that's good. I wonder if NEW is the same way.
[06:55] <ogra> nope
[06:55] <ogra> NEw is processed by Kamion
[06:58] <LaserJock> ogra: do you know where he is with that?
[06:59] <LaserJock> I hate to bother those guys but some sort of list like Debian has would be nice.
[06:59] <azeem> Debian's list isn't processed FIFO, either
[07:00] <azeem> though having a list to have an overview might help indeed
[07:00] <LaserJock> yes, I just want to see where things are out
[07:00] <LaserJock> how many total there are, make sure my stuff is even there, etc.
[07:00] <ogra> LaserJock, dunno, ask him ... i'm waiting since friday for edubuntu-docs to be processed
[07:01] <LaserJock> I've been waiting since before the 18th
[07:01] <slomo_> LaserJock, azeem: such a list is planned for the future
[07:01] <LaserJock> slomo_: ok, cool
[07:02] <LaserJock> I have syncs that I don't know if they even got in the queue
[07:06] <ogra> LaserJock, if you asked before feature freeze or have a UVF exception, it should all be fine
[07:07] <LaserJock> ogra: I didn't need an exception. it was just new debian  version
[07:07] <ogra> syncs are different from NEW currently ...
[07:08] <LaserJock> not a big deal but I really don't know if they even in the queue. Crimsun requested them for me so I assume elmo listened ;-)
[07:08] <LaserJock> I realize that, but I'm not seeing either
[07:08] <ogra> NEW is processed... if its urgent, ask Kamion .... syncs are waiting for the LP infrastructure to be ready
[07:08] <LaserJock> ah
[07:09] <ogra> so if you had a NEW sync, it wont be in NEW yet i guess
[07:09] <LaserJock> so syncs aren't being done at the moment then
[07:09] <LaserJock> hmm, all I have in NEW are NEW syncs
[07:09] <ogra> they are queued as azeem pointed out above
[07:10] <ogra> but since syncing comes before NEW for these packages ...
[07:10] <LaserJock> I see
[07:24] <siretart> hi folks
[07:24] <LaserJock> hi siretart
[07:24] <phanatic> hi siretart
[07:24] <siretart> hi LaserJock, hi phanatic
[07:26] <phanatic> siretart: do you have some time to check the new gnome-rdp package (uvf exception)?
[07:27] <siretart> phanatic: err, only if it goes really quick. what bugno?
[07:27] <phanatic> siretart: it is already accepted, i just uploaded the new package to revu
[07:28] <LaserJock> is the best way to introduce a new file into the source to add a patch or can you just copy a file from debian/  to the source?
[07:29] <siretart> LaserJock: I think its a matter of taste. in my own packages, I use a VCS to manage it, and have therefore no probly to add it directly to the right location
[07:30] <siretart> without a vcs, I'd probably use a dpatch or something
[07:31] <LaserJock> I was going to switch this package to dpatch anyway so maybe I'll go that way
[07:59] <kagou> hi
[07:59] <dolson> hi kagou
[08:00] <kagou> hi dolson. i'm searching how to propose a patch to add french translation text add in .desktop of blender 's package...
[08:01] <dolson> I don't know if there's a specific method for internationalization, but myself, I would start by opening a bug on Malone and attatching the patch to it
[08:03] <kagou> ok dolson and i suppos i must assign it to a team ?!
[08:03] <dolson> I'll let someone else respond, because honestly, I'm just trying to be helpful but I am still too new to know what you should really do
[08:09] <kagou> dholbach: hi
[08:09] <LaserJock> kagou: you don't necessarily have to assign it to a team, but you should at least subscribe ubuntu-bugs
[08:09] <dholbach> hi kagou
[08:09] <kagou> dholbach: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/blender/+bug/33306
[08:09] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33306 in blender "French translation of blender.desktop" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[08:09] <kagou> do i assign to you ?
[08:10] <dholbach> that change should go upstream
[08:10] <dholbach> but in the meantime, yes
[08:10] <dholbach> i'm in a meeting but will look into it soon
[08:11] <kagou> thanks dholbach
[08:16] <Gloubiboulga> When a native package is modified, the source directory has to be renamed?
[08:17] <dholbach> dch   should do that
[08:17] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> is it possible to show the change using debdiff?
[08:18] <Gloubiboulga> (I'm working on malone 29754)
[08:18] <JohnnyMast> yeah
[08:18] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29754 in python-support "'python-support' depends on python2.3" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29754
[08:19] <Gloubiboulga> JohnnyMast, how can I do that?
[08:22] <Gloubiboulga> I attach a debdiff, assign to MOTU reviewers, and wait for comments ;)
[08:29] <LaserJock> hmm, a.u.c seems to be down
[08:31] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I was in #ruby-lang the other day and some of the guys were asking about you
[09:16] <Kyral> Hey MOTU
[09:18] <Kyral> Now there is a new one...
[09:18] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[09:19] <Kyral> I didn't notice that the Sylpheed-Claws CVS checkout I pulled had a Debian directory...
[09:19] <hub> Kyral: the maintainer use ubuntu
[09:19] <Kyral> ah
[09:20] <Kyral> and I went and did the ./configure make make install dance too
[09:25] <LaserJock> how many things do you have?
[09:26] <Kyral> All of XFCE
[09:26] <Kyral> plus the Goodies
[09:26] <Kyral> and Slypheed-Claws
[09:26] <netzmeister> uh nice.
[09:26] <Kyral> huh?
[09:27] <netzmeister> you spend a lot of time for this, right?
[09:27] <LaserJock> hmmm, seems to me like CVS/SVN and cronjob building don't exactly go together, but maybe it would be ok ;-)
[09:27] <Kyral> netzmeister: not really
[09:27] <Kyral> I fire it off and do other things in the meantime
[09:27] <netzmeister> hehe, good idea.. ;-)
[09:28] <nomed> is it possible to specify the files i don't want to install ?
[09:28] <Kyral> eh?
[09:29] <Kyral> like?
[09:29] <nomed> i can list files in pkge.install ...
[09:29] <Kyral> oh I thought we were talking about CVS/SVN lol
[09:29] <nomed> Kyral, verve-plugin :)
[09:29] <nomed> something related to your svn stuff
[09:29] <Kyral> nomed: yup, but I prefer the XFApplet :D
[09:30] <Kyral> nomed: you are trying to package Verve?
[09:30] <nomed> Kyral, i pkged it ...
[09:30] <Kyral> oh
[09:30] <nomed> now i have to fix that ..
[09:30] <nomed> it installs /usr/bin/verve-test
[09:31] <Kyral> which is the binary name IIRC
[09:31] <nomed> ?
[09:32] <Kyral> yah, the compile process spits out "verve-test"
[09:32] <Gloubiboulga> if it works like others goodies, this file is useless
[09:35] <Kyral> hmm
[09:38] <Kyral> Do the error msgs from Make go to StdOut or StdErr?
[09:54] <Pygi> is there ongoing effort on packaging SeaMonkey? If not, I would like to try it...
[09:57] <nomed> Kyral, were you asking that to me ?
[09:57] <Kyral> that was an "any one know" question :P
[09:57] <netzmeister> Pygi:  I would try it this week.. ;-)
[09:57] <Kyral> I know to suppress output from commands in a script, you >> to /dev/null
[09:58] <Pygi> netzmeister: ah, ok then ^^ You took my package :)
[09:58] <netzmeister> But no problem, do it.. :)
[09:58] <netzmeister> lol
[09:58] <netzmeister> k i try
[09:59] <Pygi> just you work on it if you already thought of it :) I'll think of somethin' else to package...
[09:59] <Kyral> Scribes
[10:00] <Pygi> netzmeister: now that you took my package...you have any proposal what to package? :)
[10:01] <Kyral> Pygi: look what I just said
[10:01] <Pygi> Kyral: link to homepage or somethin'?
[10:01] <Kyral> Its on GNOMEFiles :P
[10:02] <Pygi> Kyral: do we have all dependencies in dapper?
[10:02] <LaserJock> Kyral: now your getting other people to do your dirty work. you're turning into a MOTU after all ;-)
[10:02] <Kyral> LaserJock: lol
[10:03] <Pygi> LaserJock: lol :)
[10:03] <Kyral> Pygi: I think...lol i have so many damn -dev packs on my computer I can't remember :P
[10:03] <Pygi> Kyral: please check? :) If so, I'll be glad to package it :)
[10:03] <Kyral> I mean I'm running it so we have to....
[10:03] <Pygi> LaserJock: nevermind, it's about time for me to start packaging :)
[10:03] <Pygi> Kyral: kk, great
[10:04] <Kyral> and no one knows about the StdOut StdErr question?
[10:04] <Pygi> there, you got your package :)
[10:09] <Pygi> kyral: just as a thought...who do I give the package to once it's ready?
[10:09] <Pygi> because me is not MOTU, neither I can upload...
[10:09] <Kyral> Upload it to REVU?
[10:09] <Kyral> or file an ITP in Debian...
[10:09] <Kyral> I mean I'll get around to it if you dont
[10:10] <Pygi> don't worry, I'll make it this week
[10:10] <Pygi> that fine? :)
[10:10] <Kyral> I have half a mind to just CVS it :D
[10:10] <Pygi> ah
[10:10] <Kyral> You just said you wanted something to package :P
[10:12] <Pygi> yes, but why the CVS version? :) now, how do I upload to revu? :)
[10:12] <Kyral> Pygi: because I want to life on the bleeeding edge even more than Dapper :P
[10:12] <Pygi> Kyral: ah, is CVS version buildable/working properly?
[10:12] <Pygi> and I doubt that could get into universe :-/
[10:13] <Kyral> I meant for my personal use
[10:13] <Pygi> ah :)
[10:13] <Pygi> now tell me how to update to REVU :)
[10:13] <Kyral> has your key been cleared?
[10:13] <Pygi> what key? :)
[10:14] <netzmeister> gnupg
[10:14] <Pygi> nop, I don't even have that key :-/
[10:17] <dolson> Pygi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[10:17] <netzmeister> Pygi:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[10:18] <Pygi> yup, thanks both
[10:21] <Kyral> jeez
[10:21] <Kyral> how do I suppress output?
[10:22] <Kyral> in a bash script?
[10:22] <LaserJock> Kyral: send both stdout and stderr to /dev/null?
[10:23] <Kyral> I want stderr though...
[10:23] <LaserJock> so then send stdout to /dev/null
[10:23] <Kyral> oh well, both cvs and make have options that suppress the output
[10:24] <LaserJock> you could send stdout to /dev/null if you don't need it and stderr to a log file or something
[10:24] <nomed> kiral 2>error
[10:24] <Kyral> huh?
[10:24] <nomed> echo kiral 2>error
[10:26] <LaserJock> $2
[10:26] <Kyral> nah nah I'll just use the options on make and cvs
[10:27] <LaserJock> oh, so you want the easy way out ;-)
[10:27] <Kyral> lol
[10:28] <LaserJock> argghhh, I'm going to strangle TB
[10:28] <Kyral> TB?
[10:28] <LaserJock> ThunderBird
[10:28] <LaserJock> not Technical Board ;-)
[10:28] <Kyral> Oh I thought you meant the Tech Board :P
[10:28] <LaserJock> Thunderbird has been freezing on me in OSX constantly
[10:28] <LaserJock> I think it is because it is ppc
[10:29] <LaserJock> it is about the only ppc thing I have and it is constantly freezing and I have to Force Quite it
[10:31] <netzmeister> siretart:  are you there?
[10:32] <phanatic> hi people
[10:32] <dolson> hi phanatic
[10:32] <phanatic> hi dolson
[10:34] <netzmeister> raphink:  are you there?
[10:45] <LaserJock> netzmeister: what do you need?
[10:46] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  Add to the Keyring.
[10:46] <netzmeister> (revu)
[10:49] <netzmeister> Pygi:  The creation of the Seamonkey package isn't very simple..
[10:49] <netzmeister> hmm
[10:49] <Pygi> netzmeister: hehe :)
[10:49] <netzmeister> ;-)
[10:50] <LaserJock> netzmeister: did you send an email?
[10:51] <raphink> netzmeister: yes, kind of
[10:52] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  Yes..
[10:52] <netzmeister> raphink:  I hope the mail is correct.
[10:52] <raphink> netzmeister: you want to be added to the REVU keyring?
[10:52] <netzmeister> yes
[10:52] <raphink> hmm let me see
[10:52] <raphink> I've just reinstalled dapper today
[10:52] <raphink> and haven't set kmail yet  ;)
[10:53] <netzmeister> :)
[10:53] <netzmeister> webmail :)
[10:53] <phanatic> raphink: you must be very busy ;)
[10:53] <raphink> phanatic: hmm sorry :( I forgot about your package to review :(
[10:53] <raphink> netzmeister: yes, but webmail is not very convenient for key stuff ;)
[10:54] <raphink> netzmeister: what your email add ?
[10:54] <phanatic> raphink: never mind. it's already accepted... maybe it was siretart :)
[10:54] <raphink> phanatic: good :)
[10:54] <raphink> phanatic: yes I'm kind of busy ;)
[10:54] <netzmeister> Pygi:  I think a seamonkey package isn't the right way..
[10:54] <phanatic> raphink: i can understand, same here...
[10:55] <Pygi> netzmeister: well, don't go for it :) It's your package after all ^^
[10:55] <netzmeister> lol
[10:57] <raphink> netzmeister: where did you send the mail ?
[10:57] <raphink> netzmeister: I don't seem to have received anything
[10:57] <netzmeister> keyring@tiber.tauware.de
[10:57] <raphink> ah! ok
[10:57] <raphink> I thought you had sent it to me ;)
[10:57] <netzmeister> :)
[10:58] <raphink> netzmeister: I don't have access to keyring@tiber, but if you send the mail to me personally I can add your key ;)
[10:58] <raphink> hehe
[10:58] <netzmeister> k, query me your mail..
[10:58] <raphink> raphink@ubuntu.com
[10:58] <raphink> easy enough
[10:58] <netzmeister> hehe
[10:59] <netzmeister> k, it's out
[10:59] <raphink> ok
[11:01] <raphink> netzmeister: could you export your key to keyserver.ubuntu.com please ?
[11:02] <raphink> netzmeister: you know how to do that ?
[11:02] <netzmeister> raphink:  :( no..
[11:03] <netzmeister> but you tell it to me?! :)
[11:03] <raphink> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys yourkeyid
[11:03] <raphink> with your key ID ;)
[11:03] <raphink> so in your case that'll be
[11:03] <raphink> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys BFA08941
[11:03] <raphink> hi seth
[11:04] <netzmeister> jep it's done
[11:04] <raphink> ty
[11:05] <netzmeister> no ty :)
[11:05] <raphink> netzmeister: ok your key is added, you can upload now
[11:05] <netzmeister> thx raphink
[11:05] <aboe> I got a question for a Motu
[11:05] <raphink> aboe: go on
[11:06] <aboe> I want to ask if it is possible to add BMPx to the universe
[11:06] <aboe> instead of the old BMP-package
[11:06] <raphink> it's not possible to add anything to Dapper anymore
[11:06] <aboe> not even to the universe>>
[11:06] <raphink> but it'll be possible to add new stuff or bump versions for Dapper+1 in 2 months
[11:06] <aboe> then maybe in upstream
[11:07] <aboe> if that is possible it would be really nice
[11:07] <raphink> aboe: it's possible to bump versions as a UVF exception, if there's a good reason to do so
[11:07] <raphink> like a bug solved by the new version or an essential feature
[11:07] <raphink> right now we don't want to add new things in Dapper, so we can focus on bug fixing and polishing
[11:08] <aboe> it is an essential feature because bmp is stopped in development..and bmpx is the next generation
[11:08] <raphink> hmm interesting
[11:08] <raphink> where is bmp ? in main or universe?
[11:08] <raphink> do you mean recent bmp files can't be read without bmpx ?
[11:09] <aboe> no bmp was to integrated in xmms, bmpx is the next version where the xmms code is left out..and started from scratch
[11:09] <raphink> xmms ?
[11:10] <aboe> I'm talking about beep-media-player
[11:10] <aboe> (in short bmp)
[11:10] <raphink> hmm ok
[11:10] <raphink> is this a format or what?
[11:10] <aboe> url : http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/About
[11:11] <aboe> Just finished the dutch translation for it...and find it way better than beep media player or xmms
[11:11] <raphink> oh this is a player
[11:11] <raphink> well then it's not so urgent
[11:11] <aboe> no but if it could be added to dapper+1 or a multiverse package...
[11:12] <raphink> oh sure
[11:12] <raphink> dapper+1 is to be released in october
[11:12] <raphink> you've got time to get it in
[11:12] <raphink> you can package it already and get it in dapper+1 in 2 months or so
[11:12] <raphink> that'll be fine
[11:12] <aboe> I'm talking with the devs of the program right now, and they want it to be in ubuntu..so how can they do it\
[11:13] <raphink> aboe: you can do it :)
[11:13] <raphink> and it's even nicer if you are in contact with the devs
[11:13] <aboe> mmm....I can't make packages...I tried but ....
[11:13] <raphink> but ?
[11:13] <aboe> I think the devs are willing
[11:13] <netzmeister> raphink:  did you get my query?
[11:13] <raphink> netzmeister: oh sorry
[11:13] <aboe> but I'm better in translating stuff
[11:14] <phanatic> siretart, raphink: i sent you a mail. if you have a little time, please read it :)
[11:14] <raphink> sure
[11:14] <raphink> aboe: so far ;)
[11:14] <phanatic> raphink: thx
[11:14] <ajmitch_> morning all
[11:14] <aboe> I know...but haven't got the time to learn
[11:14] <aboe> but I will contribute in my own way
[11:15] <phanatic> hi ajmitch_
[11:15] <aboe> can the devs of bmpx contact you raphink
[11:15] <aboe> ??
[11:15] <raphink> phanatic: your wiki page says enough on you to convince the CC, and I'll be happy to support you
[11:15] <raphink> aboe: sure they could, but I think you'd be better packging it since you're interested in it personaly
[11:15] <raphink> hi ajmitch_
[11:16] <aboe> how do i upload it then??
[11:16] <phanatic> raphink: so you think i can put myself on the agenda?
[11:16] <aboe> the dev is coming over...too
[11:16] <raphink> phanatic: sure do :)
[11:16] <phanatic> raphink: thanks a lot for your support :)
[11:16] <deadchip> hey guys, i'm 1 of the lead devels on bmpx
[11:16] <raphink> phanatic: some people apply having just translated things, you have done much more and deserves to be a member
[11:16] <deadchip> as aboe just discussed
[11:16] <raphink> hi deadchip
[11:16] <raphink> nice to meet you
[11:16] <deadchip> hey raphink :)
[11:17] <deadchip> we're going to release 0.14 in 2-3 weeks
[11:17] <deadchip> i don't know when the next ubuntu update is due
[11:17] <aboe> you too already know each other??
[11:17] <deadchip> aboe, lol no
[11:17] <deadchip> he said "nice to meet you"
[11:17] <raphink> deadchip: as I explained to aboe, it is too late to include your soft in Dapper now, but it can be put in Dapper+1 in 2 months or so
[11:17] <aboe> ok..
[11:17] <deadchip> raphink, ah ok that's good
[11:17] <deadchip> raphink, 0.14 will be out by then
[11:17] <raphink> deadchip: Dapper is to be released in the end of April
[11:18] <aboe> but it needs someone to package it so it can be in the repo's
[11:18] <raphink> so your package can be in Dapper+1 in May or so
[11:18] <deadchip> 0.13 was some major rework which had some leftovers, and in 0.14 everything seems really very well now
[11:18] <deadchip> raphink, ok
[11:18] <raphink> deadchip: now as I said also, I think it's better if someone who knows the program packages it. I'd be fine to package it of course, but it's just nicer if it's someone interested in it who does it :)
[11:18] <deadchip> raphink, btw does Ubuntu ship the old BMP at all?
[11:18] <raphink> deadchip: no idea
[11:19] <raphink> deadchip: check on packages.ubuntu.com
[11:19] <deadchip> raphink, hmmmm well i have no idea of debian packaging
[11:19] <aboe> it is shipped as beep-media-player
[11:19] <deadchip> raphink, i can ask the guy who did a debian package
[11:19] <raphink> deadchip: who did that?
[11:19] <deadchip> i personally have no idea how to make debs
[11:19] <deadchip> raphink, matthias weyland
[11:19] <deadchip> "reagent"
[11:19] <deadchip> not sure, maybe you know him
[11:19] <raphink> I think I do
[11:19] <deadchip> ok
[11:19] <raphink> I know this name
[11:20] <raphink> if i'm not wrong he has packages in Debian , and might even be a DD
[11:20] <deadchip> yeah
[11:20] <deadchip> not sure about  #2
[11:20] <deadchip> but he has
[11:20] <raphink> so yeah you can ask him
[11:20] <deadchip> packages that is
[11:20] <raphink> since he releases packages in Debian
[11:21] <deadchip> yeah i'll ask him the next time he shows up
[11:21] <raphink> a good way would be to have him put your soft in Debian right now
[11:21] <deadchip> or rather, notify him
[11:21] <raphink> and we'll sync it into Ubuntu in 2 months
[11:21] <deadchip> that this will be upcoming, etc
[11:21] <deadchip> hmmm
[11:21] <raphink> so it'll be in both Debian and Ubuntu
[11:21] <raphink> ;)
[11:21] <aboe> Mathias Weyland <mathias@weyland.ch>
[11:21] <deadchip> raphink, it's pending
[11:21] <deadchip> or actually
[11:21] <deadchip> it's in experimental
[11:21] <raphink> deadchip: ok
[11:21] <raphink> deadchip: if by the time Dapper is released, your soft is in sid, we'll sync it into Ubuntu
[11:22] <raphink> so don't worry
[11:22] <aboe> too bad of the freeze...but waiting 3 months isn't that bad
[11:23] <deadchip> well it's good, it will be, if debian works fast enough *ahem ahem* already 0.14 then (of bmpx)
[11:23] <raphink> aboe: be happy we have a freeze... otherwise you can't imagine how many bugs you'd have when Dapper is released ;)
[11:23] <deadchip> (debian & fast) == 0
[11:23] <raphink> deadchip: get 0.14 in sid, we'll get it in Dapper+1
[11:23] <raphink> deadchip: don't be so harsh on Debian ;)
[11:23] <deadchip> raphink, ok i'll kick matthias in^W^W^W ask him politely to speed the process up if he can
[11:24] <aboe> raphink, that's true,, but dapper has been stable too me
[11:24] <raphink> aboe: good for you... I've got quite a bit of major bugs around here
[11:24] <aboe> that's too bad raphink even got the xgl functioning properly
[11:25] <raphink> aboe: good ;)
[11:25] <raphink> aboe: well I'm on KDE too, and I sense there are a bit more bugs on KDE :-(
[11:25] <aboe> but I think I helped enough...here...going back to translating some more...
[11:26] <aboe> I'm on XFCE it is still in svn....
[11:26] <deadchip> xfce 4.3 has sure a nice compositor
[11:26] <raphink> did you get XFCE work with Xgl + compiz ??
[11:26] <deadchip> http://futurepast.free.fr/bmpx-0.14-current-1.jpg
[11:26] <aboe> that's right but compiz is a tat better
[11:26] <aboe> yes raphink
[11:27] <raphink> aboe: oh nice :)
[11:27] <aboe> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/9/4/4/9/xgl-xfce.png
[11:27] <deadchip> i've tried to make xgl work 20 ways
[11:27] <raphink> I still have some bad bugs with compiz
[11:27] <raphink> like altgr won't work
[11:27] <deadchip> hmm cool
[11:27] <raphink> which is a very bad one for me
[11:27] <raphink> deadchip: what card?
[11:28] <deadchip> raphink, r 9250 + r200 driver
[11:28] <aboe> http://www.xfcewiki.org/ at the bottom of this page
[11:28] <deadchip> it's really fast with EXA
[11:28] <deadchip> i've put the 9800 on the shelf for the meantime :P
[11:28] <raphink> deadchip: I've got a r 9200 + ati driver and it works fine
[11:28] <deadchip> oh you mean for xgl
[11:28] <aboe> I've got it working with my 9600xt card
[11:28] <deadchip> raphink, well it's not that i couldn't make it run
[11:28] <deadchip> raphink, i couldn't get it build properly in the first place
[11:28] <aboe> maybe Xorg-air better...
[11:28] <deadchip> built*
[11:29] <raphink> deadchip: built ?
[11:29] <deadchip> i've tried AIGLX
[11:29] <aboe> On my laptop I got Xorg-air with xfce composite
[11:29] <raphink> deadchip: how about apt-get install xserver-xgl compiz ?
[11:29] <deadchip> but it feels like composite from 2 years ago
[11:29] <aboe> it works but it is not nice
[11:29] <deadchip> raphink, i run FC
[11:29] <raphink> deadchip: ah, sorry ;)
[11:29] <raphink> arf
[11:29] <deadchip> and Fedora seems to be set on this stupid AIGLX
[11:29] <raphink> like mandriva, yes
[11:29] <deadchip> which is total crap (ahem)
[11:29] <aboe> it will get better, when ati updates it's driver...
[11:29] <raphink> deadchip: no offense, but what keeps you on FC ?
[11:29] <deadchip> i use FC mainly cause i develop GTK+ stuf
[11:30] <deadchip> +f
[11:30] <deadchip> for that it's really good
[11:30] <raphink> deadchip: what is special on FC that you don't get on other distros?
[11:30] <deadchip> not sure i don't think there's anything so special
[11:30] <LaserJock> I think bmpx is on the Universe Candidates list
[11:30] <raphink> well Ubuntu also is focused on GNOME stuff in the first place
[11:30] <aboe> oho I feel a convertion on it's way
[11:30] <deadchip> raphink, i needed a very very very up to date system that was also stable and i simply picked FC5
[11:30] <raphink> aboe: did you look on REVU (http://revu.tauware.de) if bmpx is there?
[11:30] <dolson> heh
[11:30] <deadchip> i mean
[11:31] <deadchip> to develop bmpx 0.13 and 0.14
[11:31] <deadchip> after 0.14 is out i'll check again which distro i'd use for a longer time
[11:31] <raphink> hmm
[11:31] <dolson> deadchip: have you tried Ubuntu before?
[11:31] <aboe> on revu there is no bmpx
[11:31] <deadchip> i might end up using SuSE again (which i had before), but for me it's really a "tool" thing (like which tool works best)
[11:31] <raphink> if you need a very up-to-date distro, very stable, I think Debian and Ubuntu are better
[11:31] <raphink> just my point
[11:31] <deadchip> dolson, only from a live cd
[11:31] <LaserJock> I looks like somebody might have packages something for bmpx already
[11:32] <deadchip> LaserJock, http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/Downloads
[11:32] <deadchip> in the Ubuntu section
[11:32] <deadchip> shu makes them regularily
[11:32] <deadchip> after each release
[11:32] <raphink> who made these packages deadchip?
[11:32] <deadchip> shu
[11:32] <deadchip> i don't know his real name
[11:32] <raphink> and how ?
[11:32] <deadchip> not sure
[11:32] <deadchip> lol
[11:32] <raphink> are they manual packages or checkinstall ones?
[11:33] <aboe> youre right raphink
[11:33] <dolson> it is checkinstall raphink
[11:33] <deadchip> meh
[11:33] <raphink> dolson: then we don't want them
[11:33] <deadchip> that sucks
[11:33] <dolson> raphink: I know :)
[11:33] <LaserJock> no, they are source
[11:33] <raphink> there's no source
[11:33] <raphink> LaserJock: I don't see the sources
[11:33] <dolson> LaserJock: Section: checkinstall ?
[11:33] <LaserJock> http://eros.vlo.gda.pl/~szuwarek/files/linux/bmpx/
[11:34] <raphink> ah yes you're right
[11:34] <dolson> LaserJock: I was looking in the dapper dir
[11:34] <raphink> dolson: Checkinstall GNU/Linux : the distro that crashes before boot
[11:34] <dolson> lol
[11:34] <dolson> isn't that ebuntu?
[11:34] <LaserJock> ouch
[11:34] <raphink> hmmpf
[11:35] <dolson> I'm not a troll
[11:35] <LaserJock> ok, so we need to get shu to upload some source to REVU
[11:35] <raphink> indeed
[11:35] <raphink> :)
[11:36] <dolson> maybe I would review it too when I'm a MOTU
[11:36] <raphink> there's no shu on freenode right now though
[11:36] <raphink> dolson: where do you stand right now?
[11:36] <raphink> dolson: oh you're dana from the ubuntu studio project
[11:36] <deadchip> Q-Buntu
[11:36] <dolson> raphink: http://rivironline.com/march7.png
[11:36] <raphink> you've been busy uploading lately
[11:36] <deadchip> experience quantum computing today
[11:36] <dolson> raphink: I have :)
[11:37] <raphink> dolson: haha
[11:37] <LaserJock> there is also a Debian ITP
[11:37] <aboe> ok guys I'm off, I hope I got things started for bmpx
[11:37] <raphink> LaserJock: yeah, deadchip said it's in experimental now
[11:37] <raphink> aboe: thanks, ciao :)
[11:37] <aboe> bye
[11:38] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder how long it will take to make it to Sid
[11:38] <raphink> LaserJock: not months imo
[11:38] <LaserJock> so we should be set for Dapper+1
[11:38] <raphink> LaserJock: it might be in sid before dapper is released
[11:38] <deadchip> "Packages for Debian GNU/Linux are ready and waiting in the NEW queue. Those packages are for experimental until libneon25 goes into unstable."
[11:38] <deadchip> from our wiki, matthias added that there
[11:38] <LaserJock> deadchip: ah, thanks
[11:38] <deadchip> LaserJock, http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/Downloads#Debian_GNU.2FLinux
[11:39] <LaserJock> deadchip: anyway, it looks like BMPX will be in the next release
[11:40] <deadchip> LaserJock, ok :)
[11:41] <LaserJock> deadchip: and thanks for stopping by. It always is easier for us when the upstream devs are in good contact :-)
[11:41] <deadchip> thanks all you guys are incomparably friendly
[11:41] <deadchip> LaserJock :)
[11:41] <LaserJock> np, glad we could help
[11:44] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: yeah, I'm having dinner with one of my upstreams tonight
[11:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Who's paying ;-)
[11:47] <ajmitch_> heh
[11:50] <dolson> I am my own upstream
[11:50] <dolson> I guess I pay either way :\
[11:51] <LaserJock> hmm, that would be a problem :-)