[12:06] <shannara> You Rock!!!!
[12:07] <juliux> np
[12:48] <xbl> good day!!!
[03:16] <wastrel> hi
[03:18] <Burgundavia> salut wastrel
[04:27] <warpedmind> hi all
[04:30] <warpedmind> anyone else have problems with edubuntu client not logging on to the server and just going back to the logon screen?
[04:31] <warpedmind> im using the breezy install from the site
[04:34] <mhz> warpedmind: hi
[04:34] <mhz> warpedmind: do you have access to the edubuntu server as a admin ?
[04:35] <Burgundavia> salut warpedmind
[04:36] <mhz> warpedmind: usually, there are 2 things to consider when you face the situation you describe:
[04:36] <warpedmind> yes I am admin on the machine
[04:36] <mhz> warpedmind: a) make sure, the user you want to login is not currently logged in in the server side
[04:37] <mhz> b) at the server side, run this: ltsp-update-sshkeys
[04:37] <mhz> nad try to login with the user again
[04:37] <mhz> nad =and
[04:37] <warpedmind> ok thats something new to try
[04:38] <warpedmind> also I am downloading the dapper cd both live and install to see how that helps
[04:38] <mhz> warpedmind: and I am assuming you read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes and followed all instructions
[04:39] <mhz> warpedmind: cool
[04:39] <warpedmind> :-)  I wouldnt be here otherwise
[04:39] <warpedmind> im a big believer in RTFM
[04:39] <mhz> warpedmind: sorry, I had to ask :)
[04:39] <warpedmind> lol np 
[04:39] <mhz> warpedmind: we are not big fans of RTFM here
[04:39] <mhz> we always think we dont know enough
[04:40] <mhz> and people are free to read
[04:40] <mhz> or not read
[04:40] <mhz> of course, not reading is unhealthy
[04:40] <mhz> but we are always glad to help others
[04:40] <warpedmind> ive run k-12LTSP  and  LTSP through regular ubuntu but since edubuntu doesnt use the standards Im at a loss
[04:41] <mhz> warpedmind: yeah, our ltsp is 'speacial' :D
[04:41] <warpedmind> im always glad to help those who really need it cause I know others need to be guided but for myself I always try all that I can on my own before I ask for help
[04:41] <mhz> warpedmind: but edubuntu server stting is just a matter of following th esteps asked by the cd 
[04:42] <mhz> warpedmind: that's agood policy
[04:44] <mhz> warpedmind: just rememeber we always may know less than others, and we may also misunderstand the questions asked, etc. That's why we are not fans of RTFM here
[04:44] <warpedmind> yeah I followed along on the install and Im on a 192.168.0.* network so no major config there and the gui login came up but no actual login possible.  so I tried enabling the xdcmp only to realize that its not really needed
[04:45] <warpedmind> yep agreed
[04:45] <mhz> warpedmind: but did the ltsp-update.. work?
[04:45] <warpedmind> not to mention that you can learn more through other peoples mistakes but you learn BETTER through your own.
[04:46] <mhz> and in case you touched the dhcpd.conf.. remember to use /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:46] <mhz> warpedmind: 100% agreed
[04:46] <warpedmind> I have to wait till tomorrow to try it out I am the sysadmin @ a boys and girls club and thats where its set up
[04:46] <mhz> ooh. then please keep us posted about the results
[04:46] <warpedmind> yep I will
[04:46] <mhz> thx
[04:47] <mhz> now I need to get back to medicine and bed
[04:47] <warpedmind> do you know if and when they will put in something similar to teachers pet
[04:47] <mhz> or else my Chilean butt will be kicked by my wife
[04:47] <warpedmind> ok  thx for the help much appreciated
[04:47] <warpedmind> lol
[04:47] <warpedmind> ok good night
[04:47] <mhz> warpedmind: there are some tries by ogra 
[04:47] <mhz> but not sure for dapper
[04:48] <mhz> maybe dapper+1
[04:48] <warpedmind> ok ill keep an eye out
[04:48] <mhz> we know it is a key
[04:48] <mhz> but we had to choose about proirities
[04:48] <Burgundavia> warpedmind: teachers pet is the spec name. Student control panel exists in dcapper
[04:48] <mhz> within priorities
[04:48] <warpedmind> yeah
[04:48] <Burgundavia> it doesn't have much there, but it does work
[04:48] <warpedmind> excellent
[04:49] <mhz> Burgundavia: cool! I knew ogra had mentioned something long ago
[04:50] <mhz> warpedmind: i am off to bed
[04:50] <warpedmind> ohh I cant wait for this torrent to finish
[04:50] <warpedmind> gnite mhz
[04:50] <mhz> warpedmind: good luck and nice seeing you here
[04:50] <warpedmind> thx again
[04:50] <warpedmind> yess Ill be back
[04:50] <mhz> Burgundavia: thx for being here this late
[04:50] <warpedmind> hopefully to help others too
[04:50] <mhz> yeah! warpedmind that'd be cool
[05:02] <warpedmind> nite all
[08:28] <Kamping_At_Hut> i notice edubuntu workstation has no cups at all. can you just install 'cupsys' and get cups back?
[08:45] <Kamping_At_Hut> hm. perhaps i nee dto reinstall... *checks malone for bugs along this lines*
[10:03] <purplefeltangel> heyyy, the topic's OK <3
[10:04] <purplefeltangel> Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 08 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/da
[10:04] <purplefeltangel> pper/flight-4/
[10:04] <purplefeltangel> oops
[10:05] <purplefeltangel> . . . ummm great . . . i changed the topic to see if you could but now apparently it's too long or something .  . . *COUGH* sorry . . . 
[10:06] <purplefeltangel> seveas: can you fix the topic
[10:06] <wastrel> sigh
[10:06] <purplefeltangel> sorry ^_^;;;;;;;;;;;
[10:06] <wastrel> purplefeltangel:  you don't need to change the topic to see if you can change the topic
[10:06] <wastrel> you can just look at the modeflags of the channel
[10:06] <purplefeltangel> wastrel: how do i do that?
[10:06] <wastrel> /mode #edubuntu
[10:06] <Seveas> purplefeltangel, you just changed it 
[10:07] <purplefeltangel> seveas: yes i did. but it messed something up -- see, the last bit of the URL is missing. :/
[10:07] <wastrel> purplefeltangel:  a t in the modes indicates that the topic is locked
[10:07] <Seveas> purplefeltangel, topics can't be onger than that
[10:07] <purplefeltangel> wastrel: yeah, i just didnt know how to see the modes
[10:07] <purplefeltangel> seveas; it was like that when i came in here . . . .
[10:08] <purplefeltangel> thanks seveas ^_^; sorry to cause problems
[10:08] <Seveas> np
[10:08] <Seveas> why am I op?
[10:08] <Seveas> argh, auto-op
[10:12] <highvoltage> Seveas: i thought i'd set your level up as well, for the times that neither ogra/janew/mhz/myself aren't here
[10:12] <highvoltage> Seveas: should i set it back down again, or are you fine with it as it is?
[10:13] <Seveas> you should just unset the auto-op level (/cs level #edubuntu autoop set -1
[10:13] <Seveas> so noone gets opped automagically
[10:14] <highvoltage> ok
[10:17] <highvoltage> Seveas: ok, it's set like that now
[10:17] <Seveas> nope 
[10:17] <highvoltage> :/
[10:17] <Seveas> hmm, interesting
[10:17] <Seveas> chanserv is disagreeing with itself
[10:17] <Adalwolf> ?
[10:17] <Adalwolf> :(
[10:18] <highvoltage> that's not good
[10:18] <Adalwolf> Nope.
[10:18] <highvoltage> Adalwolf: mind trying again?
[10:18] <Seveas> ah
[10:18] <Adalwolf> sure.
[10:18] <Seveas>  /cs level #edubuntu autoop reset
[10:18] <highvoltage> Seveas: i've set it to 20, think that will help?
[10:18] <Seveas> yeah, it'll help - my mistake
[10:19] <Adalwolf> :)
[10:19] <Seveas> setting it to -1 will cause anyone to be insta-opped
[10:19] <wastrel> anyone!
[10:19] <Seveas> reset will turn it off completely
[10:19] <wastrel> my my
[10:19] <juliux> highvoltage, i think 20 is only voice, 10 should be op
[10:19] <Seveas> !lart Seveas 
[10:21] <highvoltage> weird. still does it for me. perhaps it's because i have founder level access.
[10:24] <Seveas> yep
[10:25] <Seveas>  /cs level #edubuntu autoop reset <-- thatwill turn it off cpompletely
[10:27] <highvoltage> chanserv doesn't seem to like that
[10:27] <highvoltage> brb
[11:37] <ktogias> Hi, Is it possible dist-upgrade from ubuntu to edubuntu after changing the repositories? What changes have to be made?
[11:39] <Adalwulf> ktogias: is this an ubuntu workstation install to an edubuntu workstation upgrade?
[11:40] <ktogias> yes
[11:40] <Adalwulf> If so, I beleive that you only have to install the edubuntu package.
[11:41] <Adalwulf> The classroom server might be different.
[11:41] <ktogias> there is no need to change the repos at /etc/apt/sources.list from ubuntu to edubuntu?
[11:42] <Adalwulf> hang on a sec, let me check my reposies.
[11:44] <Adalwulf> Only my main restricted is edubuntu, all my others are ubuntu.
[11:45] <ktogias> it is like deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/edubuntu breezy main restricted  ?
[11:45] <Adalwulf> lemme check.
[11:49] <Adalwulf> in my /etc/apt/sources.list , I have "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com.ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse"
[11:51] <Adalwulf> This is odd, I only have three lines in my /etc/apt/source.list, but I have 13 in synaptic.
[11:52] <ktogias> Adalwulf, paste the remaining two...
[11:53] <Adalwulf> hang on, edubuntu is on another machine.
[11:57] <Dupliwulf> deb cdrom:[Edubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[11:57] <Dupliwulf> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:57] <Dupliwulf> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe main restricted multiverse
[11:58] <Dupliwulf> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe main restricted multiverse
[11:58] <Dupliwulf> That all folks.
[11:59] <ktogias> ok. They are the same as in ubuntu... So the only thing nedded is an apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[11:59] <ktogias> Thanks a lot
[11:59] <Adalwulf> np
[01:44] <mhz> ogra: hi there
[01:44] <ogra> mhz, hi
[01:44] <highvoltage> hello ogra and mhz
[01:45] <mhz> ogra: I apologize I am still "offline" but I believe I should be ok by weekend
[01:45] <mhz> highvoltage: hi there mon
[01:45] <mhz> ogra: mark finally said no (well, his assistant)
[01:45] <mhz> ogra: would you 
[01:45] <mhz> feel like coming ?
[01:46] <highvoltage> mhz: ya mon i am fine mon
[01:46] <mhz> highvoltage: heheheh
[01:48] <mhz> ogra: ?
[01:50] <mhz> ogra: basically, we need an Ubuntu Member, lots of experience taking care of packages, contributor to Ubuntu (ideally Edubuntu).
[02:11] <mhz> ogra: still there?
[03:10] <Didius> hi
[03:16] <Didius> ahum
[03:16] <Didius> anyone?
[03:17] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:17] <jsgotangco> but verry verrry busy at the moment
[03:17] <Didius> seems like anyone is :D
[03:17] <mhz> Didius: hi
[03:17] <mhz> I got some lucid couple of minutes, so I can try to help you
[03:18] <Didius> well i just came to wonder if edubuntu was ready for school use
[03:18] <Didius> i'm an ICT teacher
[03:19] <mhz> Didius: cool! just the kind of teacher I need to talk to ;)
[03:19] <jsgotangco> Didius: if you require a networked computer lab, yes edubuntu is very usable
[03:19] <mhz> Didius: what are your expectations about edubuntu?
[03:20] <Didius> well that is the problem. I would love to give the kids an introduction to linux, and i guess edubuntu is perfect for that
[03:20] <Didius> i have some spare lessons so.
[03:20] <Didius> but the thing is, what should be told?
[03:20] <mhz> Didius: oooh, okis
[03:21] <mhz> Well, Edubuntu is ready for many schools needs
[03:21] <mhz> it is designed in a way teachers and lab admins have less tasks to set up manually
[03:21] <jsgotangco> Didius: are you planning for a lab or just a few computers?
[03:21] <Didius> a lab
[03:22] <mhz> Didius: you have lots of edu-apps, esp. for young learners
[03:22] <Didius> but I can't let the kids use edubuntu all the time. I can't let them learn to work with OOo instead of MS office, it's not official
[03:23] <Didius> is edubuntu really ready to replace MS?
[03:23] <mhz> Didius: Edubuntu is independant of MS apps
[03:23] <jsgotangco> what apps do you use?
[03:23] <mhz> MS apps, afaik, are web browser, office suite
[03:24] <mhz> Didius: and for such apps, (not edu apps IMHO), linux world can offer alternatives
[03:24] <jsgotangco> and you can dual boot from windows/linux if you want too
[03:25] <jsgotangco> if you install a server, and your clients can boot from the network, nothing gets erased on the client machines
[03:26] <mhz> Didius: edubuntu = LTSP environment + edu-apps (over 60 edu apps) + standard office apps (word processor, spreadsheet, image manipulation, presentations, audio and video, web browsers, etc)
[03:27] <Didius> I have to teach kids simple programming language (turbo pascal), and the office suite. The office suite must be MS office (that is prescripted by the governement). However to show the student that there exist something different I would like to teach them a bit edubuntu. Which will not take a lot of lessons (just some spare hours). I was actually wondering if I should install edubuntu dual boot..
[03:27] <Didius> The thing jsgotangco says sounds pretty neat. 
[03:27] <jsgotangco> you can dual boot but it'll eat up your HD space, but if you have bootable clients, nothing gets erased
[03:27] <mhz> Didius: indeed, any standard linux distro lets you work nicely via dual boot
[03:27] <jsgotangco> you just need a beefy server though
[03:28] <jsgotangco> or just make sure just a few machines get to connect to the server
[03:28] <Didius> hmm. I'll have to discuss that with the head, but I'm definatlty a fan. Did any of you have experience/teach edubuntu at school?
[03:29] <mhz> Didius: me
[03:29] <jsgotangco> nah i'm ashamed to admit that i hvaen't deployed a lab yet although ive been involved with edubuntu since it started
[03:29] <Didius> involved? in what part?
[03:29] <mhz> Didius: but demoing, not teaching it yet (I will in April)
[03:29] <Didius> mhz, what kind of experience?
[03:30] <Didius> mhz demoing? planning on switching to edubuntu?
[03:31] <mhz> Didius: about 15 soon-to-become-teachers used Edubuntu for a couple of days... they loved it! esp. the kinder teachers and math teachers
[03:32] <Didius> what math apps?
[03:32] <mhz> Didius: they wanted to try edubuntu so they can start showing other teacher about it in April
[03:33] <Didius> i have dr geo Kig and Kmplot.. that are the best i guess?
[03:33] <mhz> Math Games, TuxMath, Kbruch, KIG, etc
[03:33] <Didius> hm
[03:33] <mhz> Didius: for advanced math learners, xmaxima is the coolest!
[03:33] <Didius> lets see ;)
[03:33] <mhz> xmaxima is not default install but takes 5 minutes to install it
[03:34] <Didius> it is like maple?
[03:34] <mhz> Didius: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList
[03:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: in your opinion, why would an admin user have this error: "unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()"  ?
[03:37] <Yagisan> dns and/or hosts file is b0rked
[03:37] <ogra_> nope
[03:37] <ogra_> he's trying to use sudo while being root ;)
[03:37] <Yagisan> why would you want to do that ?
[03:37] <ogra_> because you are used to it ...
[03:38] <ogra_> so if you chroot, you use it too and get this error
[03:38] <mhz> ogra_: oh, you are there! :D will you answer my questions, please ?
[03:38] <mhz> Yagisan: not me, a girl in -es ;)
[03:40] <Yagisan> ah I see - I use a small script to chroot. it uses dchroot so I never have a sudo error
[03:41] <ogra_> indeed a borked hosts file or dns is also an option :)
[03:41] <mhz> yup
[03:41] <Didius> hmm mhz xmaxima is like maple, except maple is more powerfull :p
[03:42] <mhz> Didius: maybe, but is maple GPLed?
[03:42] <Didius> nope ..
[03:42] <Yagisan> it looked like an interesting project. pity it is not opensource though
[03:43] <mhz> yeah! /me complains too
[03:44] <mhz> Didius: teaching is not only about how to use tools but also why use one tool over the others ;D
[03:45] <Didius> :D
[03:47] <mhz> having said that, If i teach math, yes, I have to teach mapple but will encourage the official use/preference for xmaxima as it is GPLed and I want my students to live in a 'let's share the knowledge world'
[03:47] <Yagisan> it was funny, I found a "team ubuntu" for folding, currently ranked 686 http://fahstats.com/tsum.php?t=45104 
[03:48] <mhz> ogra_: please?
[03:48] <Didius> I'm a fan of the 'free knowledge' idea, but I don't think it works always. Biggest example is wikipedia. I have been active and have concluded it does not work
[03:49] <Yagisan> it is a shame, gentoo is @ 41. we must catch them :-P
[03:49] <mhz> Didius: well, it all depends on the objective you have. Wikipedia is just a potential reference, not an enciclopedia
[03:51] <lucasvo_> anybody has set up sftp?
[03:51] <lucasvo_> is there a server which doesn't require a systemuser for every sftp user?
[03:53] <Yagisan> sorry lucasvo_ never setup sftp. Did google help ?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hmm sftp is just a subservers of ssh
[03:56] <jsgotangco> subservice i mean
[04:00] <Yagisan> so, how "pure" are your systems guys/girls ? All open source or do you run proprietary software as well ?
[04:01] <Yagisan> my systems run proprietary graphics drivers for those that need it for opengl to work, and I have folding@home running, otherwise open source
[04:02] <Yagisan> although, wesnoth is slow over ltsp :(
[04:03] <Didius> ltsp?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> at the moment, im pure
[04:03] <jsgotangco> although i did install gstreamer-ugly here hehe
[04:04] <jsgotangco> so i guess im not so pure after all
[04:04] <jsgotangco> Didius: linux terminal server project
[04:04] <mhz> i am pure afaik
[04:04] <jsgotangco> mhz: no mp3 playback whatsoever
[04:04] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:04] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:05] <mhz> hehehe
[04:06] <Yagisan> Didius: ltsp is the linux terminal services project. It is a core part of edubuntu, it allows you to reuse old pcs as thin clients.
[04:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: i do play ogg too:)
[04:08] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: well IIRC gstreamer-ugly has source, but they may have patent issues in the USA, Japan (and anywhere else it has been forced as part of a so called "Free Trade Agreement" with the USA) 
[04:08] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: yeah
[04:08] <Yagisan> the only things I can't play back are those that need w32codecs
[04:08] <jsgotangco> i rarely have a use for such
[04:08] <jsgotangco> i have a disc player to do that
[04:09] <Didius> have to restart, bye
[04:09] <Didius> thnx for the info
[04:09] <jsgotangco> cheers
[04:09] <Didius> i will keep you guys updated
[04:10] <Yagisan> a) it's not on my servers arch, b) I don't care for 3rd rate porn in wmv or rmvb format.
[04:10] <jsgotangco> Thanks to the LTSP, packages in the K12LTSP, Skolelinux, and Edubuntu, we can provide a school or non-profit with an outstanding and easy to use desktop that is customized for education.
[04:10] <jsgotangco> http://it.sys-con.com/read/173460.htm
[04:10] <jsgotangco> Trans-pacific Open Source Conference (TPOSSCON) 2006
[04:11] <Yagisan> yep - or with a bit of effort, it makes a nice business system too :)
[04:13] <Yagisan> actually, I saw edubuntu getting promoted on /. the other day on one of my rare visits
[04:14] <mhz> well, guys nice to see ya all
[04:14] <mhz> bytes
[04:14] <Yagisan> mhz so soon ?
[04:14] <Yagisan> night then
[04:14] <mhz> Yagisan: I feel like crap
[04:15] <mhz> Yagisan: no night, it is no teven lucnh time here
[04:15] <Yagisan> mhz: I hope you feel better soon then. :(
[04:15] <mhz> thx
[04:15] <mhz> Yagisan: and try to convince ogra to answer me :D
[04:17] <Yagisan> so, jsgotangco - would you run folding@home ?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> what's that?
[04:17] <jsgotangco> like seti?
[04:19] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: similar, but the goal is different. It's to study diseases, and hopefully find a cure ( http://folding.stanford.edu/ )
[04:19] <jsgotangco> hmm ive heard of somthing like this before
[04:19] <jsgotangco> i can probably run it in one machine that never gets shut down here at home
[04:19] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: and our ubuntu team wiki is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoldingAtHome
[04:20] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I run it on all boxes, it doesn't matter if they shutdown or not
[04:20] <jsgotangco> checking
[04:20] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: it only runs on idle priority, so no strain on the box
[04:21] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I had a box finally send a unit back, so my stats are here http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=userpage&username=Yagisan&teamnum=45104
[04:23] <jsgotangco> is this like team bragging rights thing?
[04:24] <Yagisan> somewhat :) it's a bit of fun to see who has the most points
[04:24] <Yagisan> I joined team ubuntu, because it would be nice to see ubuntu as #1
[04:25] <Yagisan> currently ubuntu is #686, and gentoo is #41
[04:25] <Yagisan> I suggest installing using the script on the wiki myself
[04:28] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: so, is it interesting ?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> yes i'll installi it on my machines later and sign up
[04:29] <Yagisan> :) cool
[04:31] <Yagisan> hmm, it seems to have ide issues
[04:31] <Yagisan> hdc: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit
[04:32] <Yagisan> ^^^ lots of that in my logs - and it won't read my dvd's
[09:00] <julian> Hi :)
[09:01] <julian> anybody home ? ;)
[09:02] <julian> I have a q. Is there a major diffrence between ubundu & edubundu ?
[09:03] <julian> as a desktop adult(!) user, can I install edubundu for my everyday work (I have ubundu right now) ?
[09:04] <Burgwork> edubuntu is very similar to Ubuntu
[09:04] <julian> oh thank you :)
[09:04] <Burgwork> edubuntu includes all the software that Ubuntu includes plus a bunch of educational software
[09:04] <julian> oh it's great
[09:04] <Burgwork> so if you have a child, you can install the workstation of edubuntu and both use the same machine
[09:05] <julian> thank you burgwork
[09:05] <julian> I'll do. my boy will love it. if he can work with it, I'll install ubuntu in our school lab
[09:06] <julian> tnx and bye. I'm going to insall it.
[09:06] <Burgwork> julian, np
[09:07] <julian> I'm from iran
[09:07] <Burgwork> cool
[09:07] <Burgwork> from Canada
[09:07] <julian> nice. bye and tnx again
[11:54] <shannara> I am very happy with flight4. LTSP is working great. I had to rebuild the server because running update screws up openoffice and gaim. Everything works except cups. Can anyone help with this? Does anyone know of a fix or an alternate printing management?