[02:52] <sladen> tick-tock-tick-tock
[02:53] <JaneW> *yawn*
[02:53] <ajmitch_> JaneW: up late?
[02:54] <JaneW> I guess it's time to round up the troops...
[02:54] <JaneW> ajmitch_: no, just got up (for meeting)
[02:54] <Riddell> just when my sleeping patterns were in sync with GMT
[02:54] <seb128> hey
[02:54] <JaneW> hi fabbione 
[02:54] <ajmitch_> first meeting I've been to for weeks 
[02:55] <dholbach> pitt-ovic! :)
[02:55] <pitti> welcome to the late night hacking show!
[02:56] <seb128> morning pitti :)
[02:56] <fabbione> FYA
[02:56] <doko> hi
[02:57] <Kinnison> fabbione: dude, less of the Fing at this time of night
[02:57] <Kamion> yawn
[02:57] <fabbione> :)
[02:57] <ajmitch_> Kinnison: this meeting time is useful for a change - just on lunchtime
[02:58] <JaneW> ping:  heno,  keybuk, lathiat, Mithrandir,  ogra,  sivan ,Riddell
[02:58] <Kinnison> feh lunch
[02:58] <Kinnison> it's 2am
[02:58] <dholbach> 3am
[02:58] <iwj> Sleeeeeep.
[02:58] <fabbione> JaneW: no ping for mdz?
[02:58] <Riddell> JaneW never notices me!
[02:58] <fabbione> ;)
[02:59] <JaneW> fabbione: good point ;)
[02:59] <JaneW> Riddell: argh! S-O-R-R-Y!
[03:00] <JaneW> hi mdz
[03:00] <mdz> good morning
[03:00] <pitti> hi mdz
[03:01] <JaneW> ping:  Mithrandir,  ogra,  sivan 
[03:01] <BenC> JaneW: pong
[03:01] <JaneW> sivang is unlikely to be up... although he wanted to try to push his goal in last week
[03:01] <seb128> hi mdz
[03:01] <dholbach> infinity: the world turns again? :)
[03:02] <JaneW> hi BenC
[03:02] <infinity> dholbach: As does the web browser. :)
[03:02] <seb128> doko: you are going to make you some friends with that one :p
[03:02] <mdz> ok, from the top today
[03:02] <JaneW> seems just ogra and Mithrandir  are missing still
[03:02] <JaneW> keybuk gave apologies
[03:02] <mdz> yes, he has no internet access at his hotel
[03:02] <JaneW> nod
[03:02] <mdz> Benc?
[03:03] <doko> seb128: the ia64 build failure is not mine
[03:03] <mdz> BenC: you're up first
[03:04] <BenC> Can you give me 5 minutes, I took a nap and didn't have a chance to write yet
[03:04] <mdz> dholbach: ?
[03:04] <dholbach> apt-get.org:  it's done! (628 FTBFS, 320 reviewed, 73 ready to go), list handed to James for syncing
[03:04] <dholbach> example-content:  new tarball uploaded, example-content visibilification done, casper changes handed to Mithrandir (guess some love is needed)
[03:04] <dholbach> this week (done):  GNOME 2.13.92, bug triage, apt-get.org 
[03:04] <dholbach> this week (todo):  more bug triage - gnokii, gnome-phone-manager update and look into making GNOME bluetooth work again, maybe even nautilus-sendto with bt
[03:04] <dholbach> next week:  UI sprint
[03:04] <BenC> thanks
[03:04] <dholbach> important:  popcon would be great to have to prioritize MOTU fixing efforts
[03:04] <mdz> dholbach: when did the visibilification land?
[03:04] <dholbach> example-content 3-0ubuntu1 uploaded today
[03:05] <dholbach> the changes in casper are pending review from mithrandir
[03:05] <mdz> dholbach: ping elmo about the RT ticket # for popcon; should be just adding an account for tollef
[03:05] <dholbach> mdz: right, will do that.
[03:05] <mdz> thanks
[03:05] <mdz> doko: ?
[03:05] <doko> [this week] 
[03:05] <doko> toolchain-roadmap - final gcj-4.1.0
[03:05] <doko> openoffice.org - nearing 2.0.2 (oob680m5 snapshot), experiencing more than one buildd/soyuz problem, beeing debugged together with infinity, i386 and powerpc builds succeeded, amd64 packages, ia32-libs* updated (hi seb128 ;), Riddell: please check kde), -l10n still building (12+ hours), should be ready for new processing tomorrow.
[03:05] <doko> [next week] 
[03:05] <doko> toolchain-roadmap - final gcc-4.0.3 (branch now frozen)
[03:05] <doko> openoffice.org - sparc build, snapshot updates, language specific package checks and updates
[03:06] <mdz> doko: so the oo.o rename is blocked on which bits?
[03:07] <doko> it's not blocked, it's now waiting on the -l10n build to finish
[03:07] <infinity> Which should go smoothly, just slowly.
[03:07] <mdz> ok, so no soyuz problem with the binary reparenting?
[03:07] <doko> then all packages should be unleashed in NEW
[03:07] <infinity> (rothera thinks it only has one CPU right now)
[03:07] <doko> mdz: no, other problems
[03:08] <mdz> doko: how big is the current oo.o bug list?
[03:08] <mdz> doko: everything set for the sprint?
[03:08] <doko> mdz: have to write the final mail, but otherwise ok.
[03:08] <mdz> ok
[03:08] <mdz> thanks
[03:08] <mdz> fabbione: ?
[03:08] <fabbione> * server-candy: added LAMP install target to server CD. Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from CD install.
[03:08] <fabbione> * ubuntu-cluster: OCFS2 kernel update and several hours stress test on upstream request. Waiting their release for new userland to sync with the kernel that will allow (finally) full desync later.
[03:08] <fabbione> * RLIMIT_PRIO: Colin did upload pam last week, Matthias has the patch for bash (pending upload) and Jeff is preparing glibc (pending upload) so at the end i was assigned a task where i had to do nothing other than reporting at the meeting.. SCORE! ;)
[03:08] <fabbione> * last week: a lot of bug fixing. Started working on espresso/partman changes yesterday.
[03:08] <fabbione> * next week: i will be in holidays friday/monday and tuesday. otherwise i will be working on espresso and more bug squashing.
[03:08] <doko> can't exactly say, more than one source, about ~150?
[03:09] <mdz> doko: can you get the bash RTPRIO patch in?
[03:09] <doko> mdz: oops, will do tomorrow
[03:10] <mdz> fabbione: thanks
[03:10] <mdz> infinity: ?
[03:10] <fabbione> mdz: np
[03:10] <infinity> * last week packaging: more initramfs-tools bugfixing, sort out "/var/run on tmpfs" issues for several daemons, fix up spiftacity to build, roll up PHP security release (will upload after some more testing), and investigate other (PEAR, libapreq2) security vulns.
[03:10] <infinity> * lasw week buildd: very constructive remote sprint with cprov to get auto-dep-wait and auto-give-back handling in the launchpad buildds, spent a fair amount of time tracking down our current build failures, started rolling out sparc buildds.
[03:10] <infinity> * next week packaging: Deliver some much needed love/polish to thunderbird, investigate how many initramfs bugs I can kill (or reassign to udev/kernel) before release without destabilising it in places where it DOES work.
[03:10] <infinity> * next week buildd: finish rolling out sparc build daemons and get sparc caught up, work with cprov (no more sprinting, just minor fixes here and there) to sort out some other UI and buildd/queue behavioral issues.
[03:11] <mdz> infinity: what's the status of the auto-dep-wait/auto-give-back handling?  work in progress for cprov?
[03:11] <infinity> mdz: It currently works (yay!), but there's no UI representation of it yet until the next LP UI rollout.
[03:11] <mdz> cool
[03:11] <infinity> mdz: But I can assure you that it's functioning on the backend already.
[03:12] <mdz> infinity: mark has requested that splash-down use a reversed progress bar (reversed colors, not direction); could you find out how much work that would be?
[03:12] <infinity> (Which was a big blocker before trying to get sparc caught up, since caching up without auto-dep-wait is a very long process)
[03:13] <infinity> mdz: Not too much effort, I may have to just add another argument to usplash to it knows it's in "down" mode...
[03:13] <infinity> mdz: That wouldn't work in the case where you hit ctrl-alt-del during startup, though. :)
[03:13] <infinity> (Which currently works quite smoothly, scarily enough)
[03:13] <mdz> infinity: lower priority than sparc or buildd fixes, but Mark wants it unless we've a reason no t to
[03:14] <infinity> Yeah, I can squeeze it in.  it won't be a destabilising feature, so we can get it in reasonably late.
[03:14] <mdz> ok, thanks
[03:14] <mdz> iwj: ?
[03:14] <iwj> DefaultApplicationsFirefox: There has been some feedback from the `you have chosen to open ...' suppression.   epiphany and galeon need to disable the change which I made by default in gecko; seb128 will be sending a mail about this.
[03:14] <iwj> DefaultApplicationsFirefox: No-one says so far that it prevents downloading, although the UI for getting a download is different now which has annoyed some people.  If you disagree with the new way please discuss it on ubuntu-devel.
[03:14] <iwj> Firefox maintenance: otherwise fairly quiet.  A few outstanding issues; there will be an upload this week of course.
[03:14] <iwj> AutomatedTesting: working on setting up Xen-based virtualisation for running tests in (for safe deployment on one of my systems here, and proof of concept for datacentre arrangements).  Defeated: Xen host, grub, mad bridge stuff.  Battling: lvm2.  To come: pbuilder, autopkgtest changes/improvements.
[03:14] <iwj> AutomatedTesting: new package name `autopkgtest' is everywhere; old name to be deleted RSN.
[03:14] <iwj> DeveloperDocumentation: no progress this week.
[03:14] <iwj> Bugs backlog: firefox situation is not so bad if I ignore the unconfirmed reports.  In other news, tripped over and fixed an entertaining ssh/tcpd/SIGALRM bug today (see my activity report today, RSN).
[03:14] <iwj> Email backlog: ~12h ish (mixed).
[03:14] <Kamion> I think the remove-package script is still broken
[03:15] <iwj> The firefox remove package script ?
[03:15] <mvo> iwj: nothing from the pymozembed front?
[03:15] <Kinnison> iwj: I think Kamion means the soyuz archive remove-package script which elmo wrote during the deployment sprint.
[03:15] <iwj> No, I've heard nothing at all from upstream, I'm afraid.
[03:15] <Kamion> what Kinnison said
[03:15] <iwj> kinnison: Oh, right :-).
[03:15] <Kamion> https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+bug/32314
[03:16] <doko> iwj: could you make the alternative priority for x-www-browser higher in firefox than in mozilla-browser?
[03:16] <infinity> We install firefox by default, so it makes sense for it to have a lower priority.
[03:16] <iwj> doko: Err, sure.
[03:16] <infinity> I'll just fix your thunderbird bug. :)
[03:17] <iwj> You mean `so it makes sense for mozilla-browser to have a lower priority' ?
[03:17] <doko> infinity: firefox should have a lower prio than mozilla?
[03:17] <infinity> doko: besides, I have the same bug here with firefox/epiphany.
[03:17] <mdz> iwj: ETA for automated testing deployment?  next week perhaps?
[03:17] <infinity> doko: Defaults generally should have the lower alternatives prio..
[03:17] <infinity> With the theory that if you install something else, you actually wanted to use it.
[03:17] <iwj> mdz: If I'm lucky some time next week.  But it depends how ff goes, really.
[03:18] <iwj> infinity: Um, I'm not sure I agree.
[03:18] <doko> infinity: well, I have to install mozilla-browser, if want to use eclipse ...
[03:18] <infinity> doko: But I'll fix your bug so thunderbird pulls the GNOME preference correctly.
[03:18] <infinity> iwj: Well, we can all argue after the meeting, then. :)
[03:18] <mdz> yes, let's
[03:18] <iwj> Sometimes the reason something isn't installed by default is because it's too big and complicated.
[03:18] <mdz> iwj: thanks
[03:18] <mdz> BenC: ?
[03:18] <iwj> But sometimes it's because we prefer the other thing.
[03:18] <BenC> Dapper Kernel Status: All architectures seem to be stable. There are a few problems with PPC Sound on some system types. Work with BenH to resolve this. i386 and amd64 seem to be mostly 100%. The only major bugs seem to just be affecting the bug submitter. We are still seeing oopses in squashfs, not even on i386. The SquashFS maintainer has contacted me, and is trying to resolve what he thinks is an issue with unionfs interaction. No ot
[03:18] <BenC> her major issues to speak of. If anyone knows of any real show stoppers, let me know now.
[03:18] <BenC> Issues: Bug maint is really a lot harder with malone. Not sure if it's the newness, I'm really stupid, or Malone just doesn't like me. I haven't taken the time to really pin down the usage cases that makes it harder than bugzilla.
[03:19] <mdz> BenC: what's the kernel bug list like?
[03:20] <mdz> overall?
[03:20] <BenC> it's stable in size, most of the bugs that have been coming in are getting fixed
[03:20] <BenC> there are like 5 or 6 breezy regressions
[03:20] <mdz> no backlog then?
[03:20] <BenC> not really
[03:21] <mdz> BenC: is the squashfs/unionfs issue https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/32070 ?
[03:21] <BenC> I should say, not anymore :)
[03:21] <BenC> ...
[03:21] <BenC> yeah
[03:22] <mdz> ok
[03:22] <BenC> squashfs maint seems to think it is unionfs corrupting cache tables
[03:22] <mdz> thanks
[03:22] <mdz> Kamion: ?
[03:22] <BenC> which makes sense
[03:22] <jbailey> mdz: *pout*
[03:22] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Working on removing live-only packages; mostly done, just waiting on the buildd to deliver an extra manifest file (discussed with infinity earlier today). After that I only need to arrange to copy network configuration over and I think this spec will be implemented.
[03:22] <Kamion> ue-language-packs: Preseeding glue added to support this, and the rest done as well. Implemented.
[03:22] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-base-system: Merged Tollef's fleshed-out keymap page. It's QWERTY-only for now and the UI's just a big list of keymaps.
[03:22] <Kamion> ue-partitioning-tool: Fabio's working on a disk selector; hearing encouraging noises. I finally got back to gparted upstream, so we should have some movement there soon too.
[03:22] <Kamion> next-week: UI sprint. Keep on truckin' through UbuntuExpress/ToDo; expect to be concentrating on the partitioner. Might need to have another serious attack at the NEW queue and anastacia.
[03:22] <mdz> jbailey: you said ahead of time that you didn't expect to make it
[03:23] <jbailey> mdz: Jane's already been dropped off once or twice in the meeting. Jane has my summary, but I'm so far holding in here for questions.
[03:23] <jbailey> Pastes tend to cause this connection grief.
[03:23] <JaneW> keybuk: No internet access from Hotel, so I will not be able to attend.
[03:23] <JaneW> All specs are implemented, so no progress to update anybody on.
[03:23] <JaneW> Friday: Internet line installed, tested and brought up; lost much of the
[03:23] <JaneW> afternoon to getting e-mail sorted again and packing for trip.
[03:23] <JaneW> Monday onwards: Multi-arch sprint in Oslo with Tollef. 
[03:24] <JaneW> and ftr it's silbs who has dropped off-line (unless you are referring to me dropping of - to sleep)
[03:24] <jbailey> Yes, sorry.
[03:24] <JaneW> jbailey:
[03:24] <JaneW>  * Last week: At a sprint.  New locales and new glibc uploaded. RLIMIT stuff is in, sparc patch is in, timezone fix is in.
[03:24] <JaneW>  * Next week: glibc-2.4 upstream will release.  Will update test packages and get them autotested
[03:25] <JaneW> :)
[03:25] <mdz> jbailey: glibc 2.4 doesn't sound like dapper material at this stage
[03:25] <jbailey> mdz: It's not.  That the toolchainroadmapng
[03:25] <mdz> ok, cool
[03:25] <mdz> thanks for the locales/glibc uploads
[03:26] <mdz> Kinnison: ?
[03:26] <Kinnison>  * PowerManagementConfiguration: In simple terms the spec is now 'implemented'. I have integrated a lot of upstream changes and I have gotten upstream to take on a significant portion of the changes I made locally.
[03:26] <Kinnison>  - What remains are bugfixes almost entirely. There are two oddities I'm currently investigating.
[03:26] <Kinnison>  * General: Had day off for FOSDEM travel; continued investigating core-duo for powernowd. Assisted infinity with buildd stuff.
[03:26] <Kinnison>  - Also filed bug about building superseded source for infinity/cprov to deal with.
[03:26] <Kinnison>  * Future: Fixing bugs in g-p-m, attempt to solve powernowd issue. acpid and acpi-support may need love, still reading bugs. pbbuttonsd may need love to play nicely with g-p-m, or else g-p-m needs the loving.
[03:26] <Kinnison>  - Also may end up assisting with bringing up new arch (sparc/hppa?) for buildds depending on if cprov/infinity have any problems or not.
[03:26] <Kinnison>  * Blockers: Still waiting on kernel change to get a battery button key assigned. Upstream g-p-m are triggering battery display events on KEY_WWW right now because we can't find a better one.
[03:26] <Kinnison>  * Bugs: g-p-m has 33 open; acpid has 3 open; acpi-support has 125 open; powernowd has 14 open.
[03:26] <Kinnison>  - Can't give more detailed analysis right now because I haven't worked through it all yet.
[03:26] <Kinnison> [EOR] 
[03:27] <JaneW> Kinnison: Yay thanks for getting your spec Implemented so swiftly :)
[03:27] <Kinnison> JaneW: Richard Hughes is a fantastic upstream to be working with.
[03:27] <mdz> Kinnison: could you sit with Kamion sometime soon and see if you can help bring espresso on schedule?
[03:27] <Kinnison> mdz: Sure, I could go to his some time this week
[03:28] <mdz> Kinnison: great, extra hands may help
[03:28] <Kinnison> Kamion: shall we work this out out-of-band?
[03:28] <mdz> yes
[03:28] <Kamion> Kinnison: yep, at a more sensible time :)
[03:28] <Kinnison> Kamion: *nod*
[03:28] <mdz> thanks Kinnison
[03:28] <mdz> Mithrandir: ?
[03:28] <Kamion> Kinnison: I'm UI sprinting for some of next week, but I believe perhaps not all
[03:28] <mdz> Kamion: as little as possible
[03:29] <Kamion> ok
[03:29] <mdz> is Mithrandir here?
[03:30] <mdz> JaneW: please follow up with Mithrandir by email, find out what happened
[03:30] <mdz> mvo: ?
[03:30] <JaneW> mdz: ok
[03:30] <mvo> Did: 
[03:30] <mvo> - wrote lp custom-upload-format handler for dist-upgrader and some support to generate a matching changes file, in contact the the lp people about it
[03:30] <mvo> - dist-upgrade work, including some fixes and a local auto-test environment
[03:30] <mvo> - misc: seeded gdebi 
[03:30] <mvo> - testing/bugs/various updates (g-a-i, update-manager, gdebi, gksu, gnome-system-tools, python-apt) 
[03:30] <mvo> "Hot spots"
[03:30] <mvo> - can we filter out open bug-reports on unsupported packages in malone (#33342)?
[03:30] <mvo> - is the debian bug importer that we had for bugzilla runing?
[03:30] <mvo> Will do:
[03:30] <mvo> - work with the lp people to get the dist-upgrader stuff into the archive
[03:30] <mvo> - fix debconf problem during dist-upgrade
[03:30] <mvo> - get hold of infinity to get the auto-dist-upgrade test chroot setup
[03:30] <mvo> - bug fixing
[03:30] <mvo> - ui sprint next week
[03:32] <mdz> mvo: I will check into #33342
[03:32] <mdz> there is currently no debbugs import, but there is a plan for one
[03:32] <mdz> honestly, my impression is that we get more noise than signal from debbugs now
[03:32] <mdz> the bad bugs mostly get reported independently to us
[03:32] <mvo> my feeling is that it helped in the past a lot, so it would be nice to have
[03:32] <dholbach> for the gnome bugs it was not so very helpful
[03:33] <seb128> not, it was no use for desktop stuff
[03:33] <mdz> quick survey on debbugs import?
[03:33] <mdz> useful/not useful?
[03:33] <seb128> not useful
[03:33] <Riddell> I get all kde debian bugs anyway
[03:33] <dholbach> not useful, sometimes useful packaging bits
[03:34] <iwj> I'd say not very useful.  When it is you can look in debbugs anyway.
[03:34] <jbailey> mdz: Not useful, glibc and lkh don't match Debian's.
[03:34] <pitti> useful
[03:34] <infinity> mdz: Less useful for desktop stuff, since we have a huge desktop following of our own, very useful for base/packaging/server stuff, where Debian users are plentiful and pedantic.
[03:34] <mdz> infinity: agreed there; do you think we could usefully filter?
[03:35] <infinity> Not sure, but it might be nice if we could.
[03:35] <pitti> don't we have tasks for that nowadays?
[03:35] <Kamion> occasionally useful for the installer, but I track most of the scary stuff anyway
[03:35] <infinity> I track Debian bugs for all packages I maintain in Debian, but that doesn't come close to all the daemons I touch in Ubuntu.
[03:35] <pitti> i. e. the importer shoudl create debian tasks maybe, and we can confirm or reject them by creating an ubuntu task or not
[03:35] <Kamion> useful for packages we don't actively track, but not useful for packages we do
[03:35] <mdz> mvo: is the upgrade tool in breezy-updates now?
[03:35] <doko> useful for toolchain issues
[03:35] <jbailey> I think most useful for me would be if it accurately tracked upstream status, so that if I link to an upstream bugtracker that I actually see state changes associated with it.
[03:36] <mdz> jbailey: that's being fixed
[03:36] <mvo> mdz: no, because the upgrader itself is not yet in the archive and no authentication is in place (because it is not in the archive yet)
[03:36] <mdz> mvo: is the code written for authentication?
[03:36] <mvo> mdz: should I ignore that and make it look into people.ubuntu.com/~mvo ?
[03:36] <mvo> mdz: yes, but disabled
[03:36] <mdz> mvo: yes, if a) it's going to take more than a couple of days to get into the archive, and b) it displays a warning (which it should anyway since it's upgrading to a development release)
[03:36] <mvo> mdz: or rather, if no signature field is set in the meta-release file, it will not do checking
[03:37] <mdz> mvo: once it's there, another call for testing should go out
[03:37] <mvo> mdz: archive.u.c may happen to the end of the week
[03:38] <sladen> Kamion: KEY_BATTERY=$KEY_F24
[03:38] <mdz> mvo: if it doesn't make it by the end of next week, go ahead with people as a fallback
[03:38] <mvo> mdz: ok, thanks
[03:38] <mdz> thanks mvo
[03:38] <sladen> Kinnison: KEY_BATTERY=$KEY_F24
[03:38] <mdz> ogra: ?
[03:38] <Kinnison> sladen: says who?
[03:39] <infinity> sladen / Kinnison: -ECHAN
[03:39] <mdz> is ogra here?
[03:39] <JaneW> hmmm, possibly not
[03:39] <Kinnison> infinity: sorry
[03:40] <sladen> Kinnison: hotkey-setup currently does that mapping for HP's and Dells
[03:40] <mdz> hrmm
[03:40] <JaneW> I'll mail ogra
[03:40] <mdz> thanks
[03:40] <mdz> CC me, please
[03:40] <mdz> on both mails
[03:41] <mdz> pitti: ?
[03:41] <pitti> status of unimplemented specs:
[03:41] <pitti>  * langpacks-desktopfiles: DONE: fix all non-KDE packages which needed manual updating, spec completed; PLAN: discuss the stuff with gnome/fd.o upstream
[03:41] <pitti>  * reducing-duplication: DONE: bounty for openldap gnutls12 migration set for vorlon; PLAN: gnutls 11->12 transition for all packages
[03:41] <pitti> general stuff done this week: security updates, bugs, bugs, bugs, and CD testing
[03:41] <pitti> plan:
[03:41] <pitti>  * my spec implementations don't have any apparent big bugs, so I'm going to concentrate to utopia related bug fixes first
[03:41] <pitti> most important outstanding utopia issue ATM is to fix the unmounting, so that icons go away when umount finishes, not already when it starts
[03:41] <pitti>  * Sort out power management mess on ppc with Kinnison (pbbuttonsd and g-p-m fighting each other)
[03:41] <pitti>  * I also have an awful lot of printing bugs, I could use a little help there if anyone is interested; otherwise I'll try to shake the worst ones out for dapper
[03:41] <doko> pitti: gnutls for dapper?
[03:41] <pitti> doko: yes, switch over the remaining packages
[03:41] <pitti> all but openldap are trivial
[03:42] <jbailey> pitti: If you have ppc printing bugs, I might help shake them out next week purely out of self interest.  Otherwise it's possible that the bugs I have just aren't reported yet =/
[03:42] <pitti> jbailey: usually they aren't arch specific
[03:42] <doko> ok, will have to remember to do that for ia32-libs-openoffice.org ...
[03:42] <pitti> jbailey: which means that they also happen on ppc, so go ahead :)
[03:42] <dholbach> pitti, mdz: i asked smurf but he said he didn't have the time for gnutls-openldap
[03:42] <pitti> vorlon accepted the bounty, right infinity?
[03:42] <mdz> dholbach: it's ok, we found vorlon
[03:43] <dholbach> ok super.
[03:43] <pitti> dholbach: see my second line :)
[03:43] <iwj> pitti: If you need me to help debug gs, let me know.  I delved into it last cycle ...
[03:43] <pitti> mostly cupsys and gnome-cups-manager
[03:43] <pitti> but thanks for the offer, there might actually be some gs ones, too
[03:44] <doko> iwj: on ia64 gs is broken (cannot find gs_init.ps)
[03:44] <mdz> pitti: watch out for potential incoming todo items from the localization sprint; I will be there trying to enforce sanity but it's unknown what will happen yet
[03:44] <iwj> doko: do you have a bug # ?  Or just assign it to me.
[03:44] <infinity> pitti: He did, he already has prelimiary patches and is testing them locally before he hands 'em over.
[03:44] <doko> iwj: there is one, will search and assign it
[03:44] <pitti> infinity: wow, that was quick
[03:44] <iwj> doko: Thanks.
[03:45] <infinity> pitti: I think he likes the idea of being paid for once. :)
[03:45] <mdz> infinity: perhaps it will give him a chance to work directly with us and see that we are not so evil after all ;-)
[03:46] <mdz> thanks pitti
[03:46] <mdz> seb128: ?
[03:46] <seb128> This week: GNOME 2.13.92, updated a bunch of GNOME packages to ship a -dbg, session dialog change for "session lock" uploaded, load of bugs triage and fixing
[03:46] <seb128> Todo this week: uploading gconf schemas registration speeding work, work epiphany(galeon) for firefox change, panel submenu asked by Mark, some polish on the session dialog, bug triage
[03:46] <seb128> . 
[03:46] <seb128> Next week: UI sprint
[03:46] <mdz> seb128: are the panel change and session dialog polish the only bits remaining from dapper-desktop-plan?
[03:47] <seb128> the panel change was not on dapper desktop plan, that's a bug mark opened like 2 weeks ago
[03:47] <seb128> but other way session stuff is the only real point remaining yep
[03:47] <mdz> ok
[03:47] <mdz> the panel thing is the Help submenu then?
[03:47] <seb128> and icons too ...
[03:47] <seb128> but I'm not an artist so ...
[03:47] <seb128> mdz: correct
[03:48] <mdz> seb128: icons are arriving soon
[03:48] <seb128> the screenshot on the wiki looks nice :)
[03:48] <mdz> jdub says he will bring them into u-a but will keep you in the loop
[03:48] <mdz> seb128: thanks
[03:49] <seb128> k
[03:49] <mdz> Riddell: ?
[03:49] <Riddell> done: kubuntu-express: aiming to have initial release on Friday
[03:49] <Riddell> also: uploading bug fixes from others, testing CDs for GNU/Linux User & Developer Magazine
[03:49] <Riddell> next week: user interface sprint
[03:49] <mdz> Riddell: how is the kubuntu bug list?
[03:50] <mdz> Riddell: any change on kubuntu-documentation from last week?
[03:50] <Riddell> large, we've got a decent bug team now sorting them which is great
[03:50] <Riddell> major problems are CUPS 1.2 support and various system settings issues
[03:51] <mdz> ok
[03:51] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[03:51] <mdz> with 9 minutes to spare
[03:51] <pitti> Riddell: hmm, the library API didn't change, and gnome-cups-manager worked with 1.2 even without a rebuild - what are the major issues here?
[03:51] <mdz> any very quick questions or discussion topics, other business?
[03:51] <Kamion> Riddell: are you keeping up with merges from espresso trunk?
[03:51] <Riddell> pitti: KDE uses internal APIs for stuff that didn't have external APIs at the time
[03:52] <elmo> mdz: ARE WE THERE YET?
[03:52] <Riddell> Kamion: yes, not done so for a couple of days
[03:52] <mdz> elmo: 50 days or so
[03:52] <seb128> mdz: when did we get a consensus to use xchat for desktop? :)
[03:52] <Kamion> ok, there was some stuff yesterday or so that will affect you - as usual ask me if you need clarification on what the frontend methods are supposed to do
[03:52] <seb128> mdz: but that's not really a meeting question 
[03:52] <Riddell> pitti: it's looking like the developer won't do the promised 1.2 support in time so we may have to have a cups 1.1 package
[03:53] <pitti> Riddell: ouch
[03:53] <mdz> seb128: we didn't; we had a consensus that we don't need an IRC client in desktop
[03:53] <seb128> mdz: and xorg bugs list looks not cool ...
[03:53] <mdz> seb128: fabio will charge into that after espresso
[03:53] <seb128> oki
[03:53] <pitti> oh, so we'll ship neither xchat nor x-g?
[03:53] <mdz> pitti: correct
[03:53] <seb128> mdz: where has the "no IRC client" been discussed? Having one doesn't eat a lot and can be handy
[03:53] <mdz> fabbione: I said 'after', not 'while'
[03:54] <mdz> seb128: we already have gaim
[03:54] <fabbione> mdz: now i feel better :)))
[03:54] <seb128> gaim is lame for IRC
[03:54] <mdz> seb128: IRC is sort of a developer / power user thing
[03:54] <pitti> but most normal users actually use ICQ and such, not iRC
[03:54] <seb128> "momentum users"? :)
[03:55] <fabbione> mdz, seb128: i will be glad if somebody will start at least closing duplicates...
[03:55] <fabbione> that doesn't require my 31337 X skills
[03:55] <fabbione> and it will spare my time later
[03:55] <mdz> fabbione: perhaps pitti has some time
[03:56] <seb128> I barely cope with desktop bugs flood but I can give it a try
[03:56] <mdz> fabbione: or Kinnison
[03:56] <infinity> I can dupe a bunch and close some obvsiously false reports, I just need to find some spare time to do so.
[03:56] <mdz> seb128: please, I need you to stay alive at least for the release
[03:56] <seb128> mdz: ok ok, don't worry :)
[03:57] <infinity> Oh, sure HE gets special "gets to continue living" treatment. :P
[03:57] <seb128> infinity: :p
[03:57] <pitti> seb128: after all, we still need you for gnome 2.128 :)
[03:57] <dholbach> mdz: i will bring tollef the good news, that he has popcon access :)
[03:58] <mdz> ok, official notice: NOBODY DIE
[03:58] <seb128> pitti: right, and that's quite a long time from now ;)
[03:58] <Kinnison> mdz: aww
[03:58] <JaneW> mdz: that's so sweet :)
[03:58] <pitti> but we aren't in a London hotel, so the chances are pretty good :)
[03:58] <fabbione> mdz: WHOOO HOOO
[03:58] <silbs> Kinnison: you can't die, but you can't sleep either
[03:58] <fabbione> mdz: thanks!
[03:58] <infinity> pitti: <grin>
[03:58] <mdz> silbs: a spy!
[03:58] <seb128> Kinnison: if you wait a bit that will be time to wake up and no need to go to bed :)
[03:58] <Kinnison> silbs: if I don't go to bed soon, rjek *may* kill me
[03:59] <mdz> ok, we're clearly finished being productive here
[03:59] <mdz> adjourned
[03:59] <mdz> go to sleep
[03:59] <dholbach> :-)
[03:59] <pitti> yay, thanks all
[03:59] <silbs> Kinnison: we'll tell him he's not allowed. 
[03:59] <seb128> thank you mdz :)
[03:59] <dholbach> night everybody
[03:59] <JaneW> silbs: what are you doing up?!
[03:59] <seb128> 'night
[03:59] <fabbione> later guys
[03:59] <doko> good night!
[03:59] <mdz> JaneW: silbs is on mdz time
[03:59] <Kinnison> night all
[03:59] <JaneW> thanks all
[03:59] <iwj> Thanks everyone for being dynamic and quick :-).
[03:59] <JaneW> mdz: ahhh
[03:59] <silbs> JaneW: I'm in a different time zone
[03:59] <iwj> See you all after sleeeeeep.
[04:00] <JaneW> silbs: makes sense now :)
[12:49] <netzmeister> wb raphink  :)
[12:49] <raphink> ty