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| robotgeek | are we getting rid of irc clients in kubuntu too? | 07:55 |
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| freeflying | robotgeek: getting rid of irc client ? | 08:00 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: in ubuntu, they are apparently getting rid of x-chat and x-chat gnome from dapper base install | 08:01 |
| viviersf | why would you remove irc clients ? | 08:02 |
| robotgeek | viviersf: beats me, but apparently it's not representative of average irc user | 08:03 |
| robotgeek | so is vim, lol. | 08:03 |
| robotgeek | lucky for me, it's part of the posix standard | 08:04 |
| viviersf | erm | 08:04 |
| robotgeek | vi is :) | 08:04 |
| viviersf | i would not recommend removing those stuff | 08:04 |
| viviersf | :( | 08:04 |
| robotgeek | viviersf: weird, i hope kubuntu is not doing the same. | 08:05 |
| viviersf | is ubuntu doing this ? | 08:05 |
| robotgeek | viviersf: yes, there was talk in #ubuntu-devel earlier | 08:06 |
| seaLne | presumably all that is happening is that those packages will no longer be on the cd, you would still be able to install them your self | 08:07 |
| robotgeek | seaLne: sure, but our average user would be able to? | 08:07 |
| seaLne | cds are a fixed size so you can't put everything on them, most users will have an interenet connection and be able to install them easily enough | 08:08 |
| robotgeek | seaLne: true, but they have ekiga or whatever on there. | 08:10 |
| Lathiat | and a python dev environment | 08:10 |
| Lathiat | and lots of things | 08:10 |
| viviersf | ag no man | 08:10 |
| amu | moin | 08:10 |
| seaLne | i use irssi which is a very popular client, but i presume it isn't in the default install and that dosen't bother me | 08:11 |
| Lathiat | irssi is in the default install actually | 08:11 |
| Lathiat | i use it too, its great :) | 08:11 |
| robotgeek | seaLne: no, irssi is by default | 08:11 |
| seaLne | ok bad example :) | 08:11 |
| robotgeek | screen + irssi == great! | 08:11 |
| Lathiat | screen + irssi + gnome-terminal = bad | 08:11 |
| Lathiat | fortunately screen + irssi + konsole = good | 08:11 |
| robotgeek | urxvt == good | 08:11 |
| Lathiat | i need tabs | 08:11 |
| Lathiat | mrxvt is almost there | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | but konsole is nice | 08:12 |
| robotgeek | yeah, running screen in a screen can be painful | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | large thing that stopped me using mrxvt was the lack of right clicking on URLs | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | kde woudl solve that with klipper | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | much like i use it with konsole | 08:12 |
| seaLne | at some point tho konsole stopped letting me use alt + arrow keys to change windows in irssi which was annoying | 08:12 |
| Lathiat | works fine for me... | 08:12 |
| seaLne | 3C | 08:12 |
| seaLne | ^ alt + right | 08:13 |
| Lathiat | a hint tho | 08:13 |
| Lathiat | escale + number | 08:13 |
| Lathiat | is usefull | 08:13 |
| Lathiat | *escape | 08:13 |
| robotgeek | seaLne: i actaully did not know that worked, i use alt + # | 08:13 |
| Lathiat | escape 5 or escape t, works like alt+[5t] | 08:13 |
| Lathiat | i use alt+a often | 08:13 |
| Lathiat | and alt+num for specific windows | 08:13 |
| seaLne | those numbers are awfully far away on the keyboard :) | 08:13 |
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| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: I re-revued scim-pinyin again.still very little improvements needed, but that's about perfect ;) | 10:40 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: thx, any comments on that ? | 10:41 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: W: scim-pinyin: zero-byte-file-in-doc-directory usr/share/doc/scim-pinyin/NEWS.gz | 10:42 |
| freeflying | this have been removed | 10:42 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: u mean i remove the cvs dir from source tarball ? | 10:44 |
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| seaLne | is it possible to get gstreamer in amarok to use a web proxy? xine can | 11:05 |
| viviersf | ok raaait | 11:05 |
| viviersf | wth is up with the window decorations in kde | 11:05 |
| viviersf | theres 2 of each | 11:06 |
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| Tonio_ | freeflying: yes, remove the cvs entries from the tarball and rebuild it | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | and put a note in the changelog | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | concerning the 0 byte file, you can patch it or remove it from the tarball and poke upstream about that, maybe | 11:17 |
| seaLne | wouldn't removing NEWS from debian/docs sort that? | 11:41 |
| viviersf | guys | 11:45 |
| viviersf | why would there be 2 of each window decoration in my config ? | 11:45 |
| seaLne | which config? | 11:45 |
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| viviersf | seaLne, the window decoration config | 12:14 |
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| raphink | Riddell: did you submit my adept changes to the kde svn already? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | raphink: which ones? | 01:00 |
| raphink | the ones I've put as patches in the package | 01:00 |
| raphink | the desktop changes | 01:00 |
| Riddell | the translations need to be done by translation the .po file, the k-menu stuff will be reviewed at the user interface sprint next week | 01:01 |
| raphink | ah ok :) | 01:01 |
| Riddell | did you also send me the icon for installer? don't think that's in | 01:04 |
| raphink | yes I sent it | 01:05 |
| raphink | it's a Tonio's | 01:05 |
| Riddell | it's what? | 01:05 |
| raphink | you've got svg and various png formats in the package | 01:05 |
| raphink | well Tonio_ made the icon | 01:05 |
| raphink | :) | 01:05 |
| Riddell | icon committed | 01:10 |
| Riddell | _Sime: I can't seem to import .ui files from anything but the current directory in pykde | 01:22 |
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| viviersf | ooo nice Riddell | 02:02 |
| viviersf | i found a app | 02:02 |
| viviersf | that puts all the gnome apps into 1 menu in kde | 02:02 |
| Riddell | viviersf: what app is that? | 02:07 |
| freeflying | Riddell: may you review scim-pinyin now ? | 02:07 |
| viviersf | Riddell : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31025 | 02:07 |
| Riddell | freeflying: sorry,still doing espresso, might have time later not sure | 02:08 |
| freeflying | Riddell: we will have espresso-kde-fronted ? | 02:08 |
| Riddell | freeflying: with any luck we'll have something by the end of the day | 02:09 |
| Riddell | although you'll need to be brave to try it | 02:09 |
| viviersf | lol Riddell | 02:09 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: glad to try on kubuntu-zh-livecd | 02:10 |
| mornfall | espresso, what does that do? copy the livecd filesystem over? | 02:17 |
| Riddell | mornfall: yes | 02:18 |
| Riddell | and lots of talking to debconf | 02:18 |
| Riddell | and partman | 02:18 |
| Riddell | and qtparted | 02:18 |
| freeflying | Riddell: qtparted can not run on today's livecd (which I rematered) | 02:20 |
| Riddell | freeflying: oh? what's wrong with it? | 02:21 |
| Riddell | freeflying: do you have documentation anywhere for how you remastered it? | 02:21 |
| freeflying | Riddell: haven't yet , hehe | 02:21 |
| freeflying | Riddell: and I need your espresso-kde-fronted for test | 02:22 |
| Riddell | freeflying: don't run it on a computer with a hard disk you care about | 02:22 |
| freeflying | Riddell: any patch to kdm for language select ? | 02:32 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: I don't have one | 02:34 |
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| freeflying | amu: ping | 03:21 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: is this is a problem with guidance .ui files or something else? | 03:40 |
| Riddell | _Sime: no, espresso | 03:41 |
| _Sime | Riddell: what does the manual say? | 03:42 |
| Riddell | it works if I have the .ui file in current directory or /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages so I can go from foo import bar | 03:42 |
| Riddell | umm, dunno, never read it :) | 03:42 |
| _Sime | what do you want to do? | 03:42 |
| Riddell | be able to do from espresso.foo import bar and it'll read in espresso/foo.ui | 03:43 |
| freeflying | Riddell: is kde fronted for espresso in repo now ? | 03:43 |
| Riddell | freeflying: not yet | 03:43 |
| freeflying | Riddell: will u give a snapshot for test ? | 03:44 |
| _Sime | Riddell: and espresso/foo.ui is relative to the current directory | 03:44 |
| Riddell | _Sime: yes | 03:45 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I just need to get kamion to check it over then can upload | 03:45 |
| _Sime | Riddell: bug?? | 03:46 |
| _Sime | I've got my head stuck in system-settings C++ code right now. | 03:46 |
| Riddell | _Sime: seems like it to me, but you're the one who wrote the kdedesigner.py stuff :) | 03:46 |
| Riddell | oh? | 03:46 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I've never tried doing that. ;) | 03:47 |
| _Sime | Riddell: can you work around that problem for now? | 03:48 |
| Riddell | _Sime: yes, just using kdepyuic by hand for now | 03:50 |
| _Sime | ok | 03:56 |
| _Sime | Riddell: when is the kde-guidance package getting an update? | 03:57 |
| Riddell | _Sime: when I have 20 minutes to spare, probably sunday evening | 04:04 |
| _Sime | oh | 04:04 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: fixes for system-settings: KDE SVN or do you want patches? | 04:42 |
| Riddell | _Sime: svn | 04:42 |
| Riddell | _Sime: what did you fix? | 04:42 |
| _Sime | It has been a trial, but I think I've got the "Foobar is already loaded in system settings" problem worked out. | 04:43 |
| _Sime | need to clean my work up first... | 04:43 |
| _Sime | but it seems to be ok | 04:43 |
| _Sime | I also want to do something about the window size. | 04:44 |
| _Sime | add scrollbars if needed etc | 04:44 |
| Riddell | _Sime: rocking | 04:45 |
| Riddell | i18n not working is the other big problem with system settings | 04:45 |
| Riddell | I think the "you need to run this as admin" message can go in the toolbar to save space | 04:46 |
| Riddell | and we can get rid of the menu bar too | 04:46 |
| _Sime | i18n is not being respected? | 04:48 |
| _Sime | the menu bar can go. true | 04:49 |
| _Sime | the "admin message" comes from a KDE class and is not per se in systemsettings. => hard to fix. | 04:49 |
| Riddell | _Sime: the modules get loaded in en_US as I remember, not sure why | 04:49 |
| Riddell | _Sime: ah,ok | 04:50 |
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| Lure | Riddell: is Kubuntu espresso CD already available (I see it in topic)? | 06:13 |
| robotgeek | Riddell: is kaffeine-xine installed by default? | 06:36 |
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| raphink | Riddell: are you here? | 07:39 |
| robotgeek | raphink: do you know if kaffeine-xine is installed by default? | 07:40 |
| raphink | I don't know | 07:41 |
| raphink | it seems to be though | 07:41 |
| robotgeek | raphink: what is the command to view the policy? | 07:41 |
| raphink | well install a new system and see if it's there | 07:42 |
| raphink | hehe | 07:42 |
| raphink | I don't remember having installed this package and it's here | 07:42 |
| raphink | so I guess it's installed by default | 07:42 |
| robotgeek | raphink: awesome. one less thing to document :) | 07:42 |
| raphink | I installed my box again 2 days ago | 07:42 |
| raphink | so I think I would remember it if I had installed it manually ;) | 07:43 |
| robotgeek | raphink: nice | 07:43 |
| robotgeek | thanks | 07:43 |
| raphink | robotgeek: kubuntu-desktop depends on kaffeine-xine | 07:43 |
| raphink | that answers definitely ;) | 07:44 |
| robotgeek | raphink: yup. it's just that things are changing so much, i don't want to document wrongly | 07:44 |
| raphink | ;) | 07:44 |
| Lure | robotgeek: it is - use sudo apt-cache rdepends kaffeine-xine | 07:51 |
| robotgeek | Lure: thanks :) | 07:52 |
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| Mez | Riddell: what version of KDE did kdelibs4 come in with? | 10:54 |
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| raphink | Mez: do you know why KDE 3.5 is not added to the backports ? | 11:52 |
| Mez | because backports arent possible atm | 11:52 |
| raphink | well even before | 11:53 |
| raphink | I mean KDE 3.5 was out months ago | 11:53 |
| raphink | and was never added to the backports | 11:53 |
| raphink | isn't it the place where it should be though? | 11:53 |
| Mez | raphink, the latest version of kde is backportable | 11:53 |
| Mez | however - we cannot currently backport anything cause of soyuz | 11:54 |
| raphink | well that is an excuse for now | 11:54 |
| raphink | but KDE 3.5 has been out before we began using soyuz | 11:54 |
| Mez | and then it wasnt backportable! | 11:54 |
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| raphink | why? | 11:54 |
| raphink | what is backportable and what is not? | 11:55 |
| Mez | raphink: it needs to build and work in breezy from dapper sources | 11:55 |
| raphink | Riddell made backports on kubuntu.org | 11:55 |
| raphink | so it was "backportable" | 11:55 |
| Mez | they had been CHANGED | 11:55 |
| Mez | from dapper sources | 11:55 |
| raphink | who said backports have to build without a change? | 11:55 |
| Mez | mdz | 11:55 |
| raphink | for what reason? | 11:55 |
| Mez | because - we havent been given permission to upload anything | 11:56 |
| Mez | it all has to be done from dapper sources. | 11:56 |
| Mez | theres no manual upload for backports atm | 11:56 |
| Mez | thats the way it was agreed since we became official | 11:56 |
| raphink | is there planned to be ? | 11:56 |
| Mez | only recently has that changed | 11:56 |
| Mez | and it isnt anything official yet | 11:56 |
| Mez | KDE in dapper at the moment is backportable | 11:56 |
| Mez | if we could backport it we would | 11:57 |
| raphink | yes I'm currently building it for breezy | 11:57 |
| Mez | it'll "backport" fine now | 11:57 |
| Mez | but it wouldnt before | 11:57 |
| raphink | is it planned to make it so that backports can be made for any package in the future? | 11:57 |
| raphink | like real backports | 11:57 |
| raphink | in a near future I mean | 11:57 |
| Mez | what do you mean "like real backports" | 11:58 |
| raphink | well I mean | 11:58 |
| raphink | breezy users would surely like to have KDE 3.5 backported | 11:58 |
| Mez | ] | 11:58 |
| raphink | instead of using kubuntu.org for that | 11:58 |
| Mez | yes - and we've worked on that and it would be backported if it wasnt for soyuz being a PITA | 11:58 |
| raphink | so my question is : is it planned to make it so that backports can be done even when it requires to change the sources ? | 11:59 |
| raphink | i.e. from uploaded backported packages | 11:59 |
| Mez | raphink: yes in future as long as sponsored by a main dev | 11:59 |
| raphink | ic | 11:59 |
| raphink | I guess Riddell could sponsor for KDE packages then | 11:59 |
| raphink | if we have no other main dev at the time | 12:00 |
| Mez | I'm sure Riddell will... but thats not at the moment | 12:00 |
| raphink | mhm | 12:00 |
| raphink | what had to be changed in previous KDE versions to backport it to breezy? | 12:00 |
| raphink | that doen't need to be changed in current dapper version | 12:01 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: the deps? | 12:01 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: sure I guess, but more precisly ;) | 12:02 |
| Mez | raphink, well breezy you see has differnt packages | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | kdelibs4c2a | 12:02 |
| Mez | http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kdelibs4c2&searchon=names | 12:02 |
| Mez | breezy | 12:02 |
| Mez | dapper: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kdelibs4c2a&searchon=names | 12:02 |
| Mez | abi changes dude | 12:02 |
| raphink | yes I know that Mez | 12:03 |
| Mez | so you;re saying that thtat doesnt need to be changed | 12:03 |
| raphink | so the problem would be that apps in breezy are built to use kdelibs4c2 | 12:03 |
| Mez | so that if it hadnt and was backported from dapper | 12:03 |
| raphink | instead of kdelibs4 | 12:03 |
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