=== freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387D928.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Moin] === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.196] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua@221.172.48.204] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:55] are we getting rid of irc clients in kubuntu too? [08:00] robotgeek: getting rid of irc client ? [08:01] freeflying: in ubuntu, they are apparently getting rid of x-chat and x-chat gnome from dapper base install [08:02] why would you remove irc clients ? [08:03] viviersf: beats me, but apparently it's not representative of average irc user [08:03] so is vim, lol. [08:04] lucky for me, it's part of the posix standard [08:04] erm [08:04] vi is :) [08:04] i would not recommend removing those stuff [08:04] :( [08:05] viviersf: weird, i hope kubuntu is not doing the same. [08:05] is ubuntu doing this ? [08:06] viviersf: yes, there was talk in #ubuntu-devel earlier [08:07] presumably all that is happening is that those packages will no longer be on the cd, you would still be able to install them your self [08:07] seaLne: sure, but our average user would be able to? [08:08] cds are a fixed size so you can't put everything on them, most users will have an interenet connection and be able to install them easily enough [08:10] seaLne: true, but they have ekiga or whatever on there. [08:10] and a python dev environment [08:10] and lots of things [08:10] ag no man [08:10] moin [08:11] i use irssi which is a very popular client, but i presume it isn't in the default install and that dosen't bother me [08:11] irssi is in the default install actually [08:11] i use it too, its great :) [08:11] seaLne: no, irssi is by default [08:11] ok bad example :) [08:11] screen + irssi == great! [08:11] screen + irssi + gnome-terminal = bad [08:11] fortunately screen + irssi + konsole = good [08:11] urxvt == good [08:11] i need tabs [08:12] mrxvt is almost there [08:12] but konsole is nice [08:12] yeah, running screen in a screen can be painful [08:12] large thing that stopped me using mrxvt was the lack of right clicking on URLs [08:12] kde woudl solve that with klipper [08:12] much like i use it with konsole [08:12] at some point tho konsole stopped letting me use alt + arrow keys to change windows in irssi which was annoying [08:12] works fine for me... [08:12] 3C [08:13] ^ alt + right [08:13] a hint tho [08:13] escale + number [08:13] is usefull [08:13] *escape [08:13] seaLne: i actaully did not know that worked, i use alt + # [08:13] escape 5 or escape t, works like alt+[5t] [08:13] i use alt+a often [08:13] and alt+num for specific windows [08:13] those numbers are awfully far away on the keyboard :) === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-173.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:40] hi everyone [10:40] freeflying: I re-revued scim-pinyin again.still very little improvements needed, but that's about perfect ;) [10:41] Tonio_: thx, any comments on that ? [10:42] Tonio_: W: scim-pinyin: zero-byte-file-in-doc-directory usr/share/doc/scim-pinyin/NEWS.gz [10:42] this have been removed [10:44] Tonio_: u mean i remove the cvs dir from source tarball ? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:05] is it possible to get gstreamer in amarok to use a web proxy? xine can [11:05] ok raaait [11:05] wth is up with the window decorations in kde [11:06] theres 2 of each === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:17] freeflying: yes, remove the cvs entries from the tarball and rebuild it [11:17] and put a note in the changelog [11:17] concerning the 0 byte file, you can patch it or remove it from the tarball and poke upstream about that, maybe [11:41] wouldn't removing NEWS from debian/docs sort that? [11:45] guys [11:45] why would there be 2 of each window decoration in my config ? [11:45] which config? === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:14] seaLne, the window decoration config === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wonders if kaudiocreater is broken for anyone else as well... === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A6268D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] Riddell: did you submit my adept changes to the kde svn already? [01:00] raphink: which ones? [01:00] the ones I've put as patches in the package [01:00] the desktop changes [01:01] the translations need to be done by translation the .po file, the k-menu stuff will be reviewed at the user interface sprint next week [01:01] ah ok :) [01:04] did you also send me the icon for installer? don't think that's in [01:05] yes I sent it [01:05] it's a Tonio's [01:05] it's what? [01:05] you've got svg and various png formats in the package [01:05] well Tonio_ made the icon [01:05] :) [01:10] icon committed [01:22] _Sime: I can't seem to import .ui files from anything but the current directory in pykde === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe_ [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:02] ooo nice Riddell [02:02] i found a app [02:02] that puts all the gnome apps into 1 menu in kde [02:07] viviersf: what app is that? [02:07] Riddell: may you review scim-pinyin now ? [02:07] Riddell : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31025 [02:08] freeflying: sorry,still doing espresso, might have time later not sure [02:08] Riddell: we will have espresso-kde-fronted ? [02:09] freeflying: with any luck we'll have something by the end of the day [02:09] although you'll need to be brave to try it [02:09] lol Riddell === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F72E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:10] Riddell: glad to try on kubuntu-zh-livecd [02:17] espresso, what does that do? copy the livecd filesystem over? [02:18] mornfall: yes [02:18] and lots of talking to debconf [02:18] and partman [02:18] and qtparted [02:20] Riddell: qtparted can not run on today's livecd (which I rematered) [02:21] freeflying: oh? what's wrong with it? [02:21] freeflying: do you have documentation anywhere for how you remastered it? [02:21] Riddell: haven't yet , hehe [02:22] Riddell: and I need your espresso-kde-fronted for test [02:22] freeflying: don't run it on a computer with a hard disk you care about [02:32] Riddell: any patch to kdm for language select ? === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] freeflying: I don't have one === faked [n=faked@83-65-251-15.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] amu: ping === hunger [n=tobias@p54A63CCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387D79F.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:40] <_Sime> Riddell: is this is a problem with guidance .ui files or something else? [03:41] _Sime: no, espresso [03:42] <_Sime> Riddell: what does the manual say? [03:42] it works if I have the .ui file in current directory or /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages so I can go from foo import bar [03:42] umm, dunno, never read it :) [03:42] <_Sime> what do you want to do? [03:43] be able to do from espresso.foo import bar and it'll read in espresso/foo.ui [03:43] Riddell: is kde fronted for espresso in repo now ? [03:43] freeflying: not yet [03:44] Riddell: will u give a snapshot for test ? [03:44] <_Sime> Riddell: and espresso/foo.ui is relative to the current directory [03:45] _Sime: yes [03:45] freeflying: I just need to get kamion to check it over then can upload [03:46] <_Sime> Riddell: bug?? [03:46] <_Sime> I've got my head stuck in system-settings C++ code right now. [03:46] _Sime: seems like it to me, but you're the one who wrote the kdedesigner.py stuff :) [03:46] oh? [03:47] <_Sime> Riddell: I've never tried doing that. ;) [03:48] <_Sime> Riddell: can you work around that problem for now? [03:50] _Sime: yes, just using kdepyuic by hand for now [03:56] <_Sime> ok [03:57] <_Sime> Riddell: when is the kde-guidance package getting an update? [04:04] _Sime: when I have 20 minutes to spare, probably sunday evening [04:04] <_Sime> oh === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.126.144] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0EC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked [n=faked@83-65-236-37.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:42] <_Sime> Riddell: fixes for system-settings: KDE SVN or do you want patches? [04:42] _Sime: svn [04:42] _Sime: what did you fix? [04:43] <_Sime> It has been a trial, but I think I've got the "Foobar is already loaded in system settings" problem worked out. [04:43] <_Sime> need to clean my work up first... [04:43] <_Sime> but it seems to be ok [04:44] <_Sime> I also want to do something about the window size. [04:44] <_Sime> add scrollbars if needed etc [04:45] _Sime: rocking [04:45] i18n not working is the other big problem with system settings [04:46] I think the "you need to run this as admin" message can go in the toolbar to save space [04:46] and we can get rid of the menu bar too [04:48] <_Sime> i18n is not being respected? [04:49] <_Sime> the menu bar can go. true [04:49] <_Sime> the "admin message" comes from a KDE class and is not per se in systemsettings. => hard to fix. [04:49] _Sime: the modules get loaded in en_US as I remember, not sure why [04:50] _Sime: ah,ok === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEspresso || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ || Kubuntu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting on Wed, 15th March - 20:00 UTC -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings -- be there! === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387D79F.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Moin] === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:13] Riddell: is Kubuntu espresso CD already available (I see it in topic)? [06:36] Riddell: is kaffeine-xine installed by default? === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D103F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked [n=faked@83-65-238-88.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:39] Riddell: are you here? [07:40] raphink: do you know if kaffeine-xine is installed by default? [07:41] I don't know [07:41] it seems to be though [07:41] raphink: what is the command to view the policy? [07:42] well install a new system and see if it's there [07:42] hehe [07:42] I don't remember having installed this package and it's here [07:42] so I guess it's installed by default [07:42] raphink: awesome. one less thing to document :) [07:42] I installed my box again 2 days ago [07:43] so I think I would remember it if I had installed it manually ;) [07:43] raphink: nice [07:43] thanks [07:43] robotgeek: kubuntu-desktop depends on kaffeine-xine [07:44] that answers definitely ;) [07:44] raphink: yup. it's just that things are changing so much, i don't want to document wrongly [07:44] ;) [07:51] robotgeek: it is - use sudo apt-cache rdepends kaffeine-xine [07:52] Lure: thanks :) === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === faked [n=faked@83-65-238-204.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:54] Riddell: what version of KDE did kdelibs4 come in with? === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-145-254-255-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kl [n=KaiL@p548F5CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kl [n=KaiL@p548F5CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kl [n=KaiL@p548F5CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kl is now known as KaiL [11:52] Mez: do you know why KDE 3.5 is not added to the backports ? [11:52] because backports arent possible atm [11:53] well even before [11:53] I mean KDE 3.5 was out months ago [11:53] and was never added to the backports [11:53] isn't it the place where it should be though? [11:53] raphink, the latest version of kde is backportable [11:54] however - we cannot currently backport anything cause of soyuz [11:54] well that is an excuse for now [11:54] but KDE 3.5 has been out before we began using soyuz [11:54] and then it wasnt backportable! === Mez growls [11:54] why? [11:55] what is backportable and what is not? [11:55] raphink: it needs to build and work in breezy from dapper sources [11:55] Riddell made backports on kubuntu.org [11:55] so it was "backportable" [11:55] they had been CHANGED [11:55] from dapper sources [11:55] who said backports have to build without a change? [11:55] mdz [11:55] for what reason? [11:56] because - we havent been given permission to upload anything [11:56] it all has to be done from dapper sources. [11:56] theres no manual upload for backports atm [11:56] thats the way it was agreed since we became official [11:56] is there planned to be ? [11:56] only recently has that changed [11:56] and it isnt anything official yet [11:56] KDE in dapper at the moment is backportable [11:57] if we could backport it we would [11:57] yes I'm currently building it for breezy [11:57] it'll "backport" fine now [11:57] but it wouldnt before [11:57] is it planned to make it so that backports can be made for any package in the future? [11:57] like real backports [11:57] in a near future I mean [11:58] what do you mean "like real backports" [11:58] well I mean [11:58] breezy users would surely like to have KDE 3.5 backported [11:58] ] [11:58] instead of using kubuntu.org for that [11:58] yes - and we've worked on that and it would be backported if it wasnt for soyuz being a PITA [11:59] so my question is : is it planned to make it so that backports can be done even when it requires to change the sources ? [11:59] i.e. from uploaded backported packages [11:59] raphink: yes in future as long as sponsored by a main dev [11:59] ic [11:59] I guess Riddell could sponsor for KDE packages then [12:00] if we have no other main dev at the time [12:00] I'm sure Riddell will... but thats not at the moment [12:00] mhm [12:00] what had to be changed in previous KDE versions to backport it to breezy? [12:01] that doen't need to be changed in current dapper version [12:01] raphink: the deps? [12:02] Hobbsee: sure I guess, but more precisly ;) [12:02] raphink, well breezy you see has differnt packages [12:02] kdelibs4c2a [12:02] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kdelibs4c2&searchon=names [12:02] breezy [12:02] dapper: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kdelibs4c2a&searchon=names [12:02] abi changes dude [12:03] yes I know that Mez [12:03] so you;re saying that thtat doesnt need to be changed [12:03] so the problem would be that apps in breezy are built to use kdelibs4c2 [12:03] so that if it hadnt and was backported from dapper [12:03] instead of kdelibs4