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Madpilothi all05:07
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robotgeekhey Madpilot , a bit late albeit06:05
robotgeekbhuvan: ping06:11
bhuvanrobotgeek: pong06:11
robotgeekbhuvan: which makefile should is being talked about in $doc/teamstuff/doc.ubuntu.com/README06:12
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bhuvanrobotgeek: they refer the Makefile in ubuntu/ and kubuntu/ dirs respectively06:14
robotgeekbhuvan: cool, let me se if it compiles with make kall :)06:14
bhuvanrobotgeek: it may not :)06:15
robotgeekmake all, atleast06:15
bhuvanrobotgeek: visit http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/06:15
bhuvannope, i guess. if yes, then it should appear in http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/06:15
robotgeekbhuvan: it takes a day, after i submit the patch for the makefile, i think06:15
bhuvanyep! the documents on preview server are built once a day06:16
bhuvanyou can make changes to Makefile and include kdg in "all" target and confirm desktop-guide appears in the above url. later, you can include that link in sidebar.inc.php06:17
robotgeekcool, let's just hope i am able to fix the make file, lol06:18
bhuvanrobotgeek: you can refer ubuntu/Makefile for details. just copy/paste those entries. WARNING: please run 'make kdg and confirm it is built. run 'make all' and confirm kdg is also built and finally commit!06:20
robotgeekbhuvan: make kdg works, something else is messing up06:21
bhuvanthen all you should do is include 'kdg' in 'all' target06:22
robotgeekbhuvan: cool, uno momento06:22
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robotgeekbhuvan: should i be including desktop-web in the make all target?06:29
bhuvanrobotgeek: if you include kdg and add in 'all' target06:32
robotgeekbhuvan: the current make all fails because of errors in "kubuntu packing guide" and "install" guide06:33
robotgeekmaybe i should ask mdke 06:33
robotgeekbhuvan: or you can also tell me what to do :)06:34
bhuvanrobotgeek: yeah, i'll check; seems you are right. 'make all' fails since jan 18; refer the modified time in Scripts to Help Create 06:34
bhuvanInstance Sets/Scripts to Help Create/http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/06:35
robotgeekbhuvan: commenting out both works fine06:35
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Burgundaviasalut jsgotangco06:37
robotgeekhey jsgotangco Burgundavia 06:37
LaserJockhi jsgotangco 06:38
robotgeekhey LaserJock :P06:38
jsgotangcohi06:39
bhuvanrobotgeek: install guide is fixed06:39
robotgeekbhuvan: should i svn up and try again?06:40
bhuvanrobotgeek: ofcourse06:40
bhuvanrobotgeek: packaging guide seem to do well06:41
robotgeekbhuvan: are you sure you fixed the install guide in kubuntu/06:42
robotgeekor am i missing something obvious here 06:42
bhuvanyou can do 'svn up' and run ./validate.sh generic/installguide/C/installguide.xml06:43
robotgeekhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/966006:43
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robotgeekbhuvan: oh, i meant a install guide in kubuntu/06:43
robotgeekit's not the same as in generic06:43
robotgeekjsgotangco: what do you know about those makefiles in kubuntu/ :P06:44
bhuvanrobotgeek: refer kubuntu/Makefile, the install target is based on generic/installguide/C/06:44
jsgotangconone at all, KDE has its own mad processing06:44
robotgeekjsgotangco: yeah, i have the meinproc's and stuff :)06:45
bhuvanrobotgeek: i guess, kubuntu/installguide/C is unused. it is empty ?06:45
robotgeekbhuvan: yup06:46
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robotgeekkdelibs-bin06:48
bhuvanrobotgeek, yeah06:48
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Burgundaviado we mention xchat anywhere in our docs? Looks like it is going away and not coming back06:53
jsgotangcobye bye xchat06:53
robotgeekwhere, what! 06:54
Madpilotit's XChat-Gnome in the UDG. (XChat-Godawful...)06:54
robotgeekoh, there are two versions of xchat, <sigh>06:54
MadpilotThere's the odd, not-modern-feeling (but powerful) XChat, and the new shiny (gutted) XChat-Gnome06:55
robotgeekMadpilot: why do i get the feeling that i should stick to being a console jockey, lol06:55
Burgundaviano, xchat and x-gnome are going away06:56
robotgeekreplaced by?06:56
Burgundavianothing06:56
robotgeekbhuvan: looks like my bad, the packaging guide does build06:57
Burgundaviacurrently being debated in #ubuntu-devel right now06:57
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robotgeekbhuvan: install guide doesn't06:57
bhuvanrobotgeek: ok, have you done 'svn up'06:58
robotgeekbhuvan: yes, the install guide is basically empty :)06:58
bhuvanrobotgeek: i assume, you try cd kubuntu/ && make install06:59
bhuvanif you do so, it will build generic/installguide.. and you will not face any problem06:59
robotgeekbhuvan: oh yes07:00
robotgeekbhuvan: sorry, having a bad day07:00
bhuvannp07:01
bhuvanrobotgeek: now you can go ahead with your desktop stuff (where we started!)07:01
robotgeekbhuvan: okay, i'll make desktop and pray!07:02
bhuvanha ha ha .. ok :) best wishes :)07:03
robotgeekbhuvan: crap, i have to fight meinproc, lol07:04
bhuvan?07:04
robotgeekbhuvan: the target is desktop-web, i suppose07:04
bhuvanrobotgeek: i guess not, refer ubuntu/Makefile for details07:07
robotgeekbhuvan: i checked the outputs, the output of desktop-web == standard output07:07
robotgeekfor webpages07:08
bhuvanok07:08
bhuvanrobotgeek: seems desktop-* targets of kubuntu is broken or point of odd directories. it has to be fixed before you make new changes07:11
bhuvans/point of/point to/07:12
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robotgeekbhuvan: okay, i'll see what i ca ndo07:12
bhuvanok07:13
robotgeekbhuvan: if you are going to be up for a while, i'll show you when i'm done?07:14
bhuvansure07:15
Madpilotcan someone running Dapper check something for me?07:17
Burgundaviabhuvan: ping (testing connection)07:18
Madpilot...so much for his connection :P07:18
robotgeekMadpilot: you mean, ubuntu right?07:19
Madpilotrobotgeek, yeah, Ubuntu Dapper - not Kubuntu, sorry07:19
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robotgeek:P07:19
bhuvanBurgundavia: pong07:19
bhuvanMadpilot: yes07:19
corey_bhuvan: cheers07:20
Madpilotbhuvan, can you just install gnucash & tell me if it's got a automatic menu entry yet? Thanks - trying to finish up some bits of UDG...07:20
bhuvanMadpilot, yes07:21
Madpilotgood, thanks07:21
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Madpilotgah - lots of depends?07:22
bhuvanyep07:22
robotgeekbhuvan: hey, i did not notice, but the status is online already :)07:32
robotgeekhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html07:32
robotgeekdamn, i need to clean out the status tags07:33
LaserJockso are we going to need to get rid of the link to #ubuntu in the firefox starter page?07:33
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robotgeekLaserJock: so irc is no longer a viable support option?07:33
MadpilotLaserJock, why?07:34
LaserJockI don't know that we will have anything installed by default to do irc07:34
robotgeekLaserJock: irssi is as good as not being there07:34
LaserJockright now the link is irc://07:34
robotgeekgaim can do irc07:34
bhuvanrobotgeek: yes. its not part of 'all' taget. but it is part of 'web' target. i assume, 'web' target documents are placed online 07:34
LaserJockrobotgeek: will it open up a irc:// URL from firefox?07:35
robotgeekLaserJock: probably not07:35
MadpilotLaserJock, I haven't bothered joining -devel - what's the talk on IRC apps in Dapper?07:35
LaserJockxchat and xchat-gnome are gone07:35
LaserJockfrom the default install07:35
Madpilotboth? huh?07:35
LaserJockyep07:35
MadpilotI don't usually say this, but: WTF?07:35
LaserJockit was determined that IRC wasn't very important to most users07:36
LaserJockI think that is the basic idea anyway07:36
LaserJockIM was seen as much more used07:36
Madpilot634 people in #ubuntu right now isn't important?07:36
LaserJockumm, I'm not sure07:36
LaserJockI guess it is assumed that they will install xchat if they want it07:37
LaserJockI hope I'm not misrepresenting the discussion07:38
LaserJock"jdub: what we ship in the desktop seed is stuff that will most likely be of use to the broadest cross-section of user profiles"07:39
robitaillehow many people use Ekiga?07:40
robitailleI think the xchat client should stay personally07:40
LaserJockI have no idea, I'm still trying to figure out how to pronounce it ;-)07:40
jsgotangcoim beginning to warm up on xchat-gnome though07:40
MadpilotJust because XChat-Gnome is fairly awful, we're dropping a default IRC client totally? :P07:41
LaserJockno07:41
Madpilot(only half-joking...)07:41
robitailleI'm back to irssi nowadays, but I think IRC is an easy way for user to get real time help.  And GAIM's irc is awful07:41
LaserJockwell, I think if GAIM won't open an irc:// from Firefox we should remove the link. That is, if they stick to this decision07:42
robitailleit was easy to tell users:  click on the xchat button, click on connect, and you're there on #ubuntu to ask for help.07:42
bhuvanMadpilot: Q: gnucash automatic menu entry exists; A: NO07:44
Madpilotbhuvan, gah. Thanks for checking.07:44
bhuvannp07:45
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LaserJockhmm, well I gotta get to bed. Maybe by the time I wake up xchat will be back :-) Here's to dreaming07:45
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robotgeekbhuvan: "seems desktop-* targets of kubuntu is broken or point of odd directories. it has to be fixedbefore you make new changes". looks fine to me?07:51
bhuvanrobotgeek: it builds under ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/build/... it is wrong. it should be ubuntu-doc/build/..08:01
bhuvanrobotgeek: the issue exist for desktop-*08:01
robotgeekbhuvan: okay, will fix08:02
bhuvannice08:02
jsgotangcohmm08:02
jsgotangcohas anyone got a nice bluetooth guide08:02
robotgeekjsgotangco: i saw something on the wiki which worked for me08:07
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robotgeekBluetoothSetup08:08
jsgotangcothat's pretty ugly but thanks08:11
Madpilotjsgotangco, it's a wiki, fix it :P08:11
jsgotangcoyuck08:11
corey_{{sofixit}} is the appropriate response to this08:12
jsgotangcodoes our wiki hvae such templates?08:13
MadpilotCategoryCleanup?08:14
jsgotangcoMadpilot, in mediawiki/wikipedia, there are status templates used all throughout08:15
jsgotangcoin nice colorful boxes08:15
robotgeekbhuvan: even quickguide also builds in ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/build08:15
corey_jsgotangco: nop, it doesn't08:16
bhuvanoh ok. so, it needs to be fixed as well08:16
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robotgeekbhuvan: but it has a preview already?08:16
corey_jsgotangco: this is just one reason why i want to switch08:16
bhuvanrobotgeek: not sure. check doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu though08:17
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robotgeekbhuvan: yes, it's in there08:17
Madpilotjsgotangco, yeah, I know - only thing we've got is catcleanup. I missed the <mild sarcasm> tag :P08:17
robotgeekbhuvan: also status is built in doc/kubuntu/builde08:17
corey_jsgotangco: I believe we can do something similar. Ask mdke08:17
corey_jsgotangco: one of the cool things about templates in mediawiki is that they can add a page to a category08:18
robotgeekcorey_: how easy/feasible is it to move from moin to mediawiki?08:18
jsgotangcoyeah08:18
corey_so we could have {{cleanup}} - which adds a tag to the top of the page, saying that the page is fuggly and add the page to cat cleanup08:18
jsgotangco{{cleanup}}08:19
corey_robotgeek: the issue is mostly social08:19
jsgotangco{{grammar}}08:19
jsgotangco{{needs_testing}}08:19
corey_ie, mdke and henrik don't want to08:19
robotgeekcorey_: :P08:19
bhuvanrobotgeek: seems almost all document are so.. i'm not sure whether it is intended or it is an issue08:19
robotgeekbhuvan: maybe it's intended, let me not break what works :)08:19
jsgotangcomediawiki's biggest strength aside from visual appeal of the doc is organization08:20
bhuvanin general, all documents are build under ubuntu-doc/build. not sure why kubuntu is an exception08:20
corey_mediawiki has the issue of being written in php08:20
robotgeekbhuvan: hmm, okay08:20
jsgotangcoand mediawiki people aren't the greatest bug fixers for past versions08:21
corey_actually, mediawiki is pretty good on the security side08:21
jsgotangcoits been better08:21
jsgotangcoi just love how organized it can be08:21
robotgeekinteresting...08:22
corey_jsgotangco: actually, they are pretty good08:26
robotgeekwohoo, my first commit08:28
robotgeekalrite, on that victorious note, i am off to bed!08:29
Madpilotlikewise, actually. Just did a UDG commit, now I need sleep :P08:32
mdkemorning08:38
mdkerobotgeek_zzz, i'll take a look at the not building stuff08:39
robotgeek_zzzmdke: morning08:39
mdkeit's the web target we need to work08:39
robotgeek_zzzmdke: well, that seemed to be a system, issue08:39
mdkeoh right08:39
robotgeek_zzzand all the web targets work on my machine08:39
mdkeok fine08:40
robotgeek_zzzit's okay for them to build in ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/build, right?08:41
mdkeyeah, I think that it what Riddell wants08:41
mdkei've lost track of the kubuntu stuff a bit because it uses a different system08:42
=== robotgeek_zzz thanks quick-guide, lol
robotgeek_zzzi would have been lost without it, seriously08:43
robotgeek_zzzanyways, night mdke 08:43
mdkenight08:44
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corey_I wish I had that pcmcia wireless card still08:57
corey_they I could tell whether or not this wireless bug is my card or the router08:58
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jsgotangcocan anyone verify on dapper that root terminal under system made a comeback09:25
corey_jsgotangco: yep, just saw that09:27
corey_jsgotangco: it is a bug I assume09:27
jsgotangcoright09:27
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corey_night all09:49
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pschulz01Greeting, I have Ubuntu running on my Mac Mini.. and I would like to add some documentation to the Wiki on this system.. where is the best place to start?10:08
jsgotangcomatt galvin used to handle PPC documentation10:10
jsgotangcohmm10:10
mdkepschulz01, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGuide10:11
pschulz01There are several pages.. and the information seems to be spread around a bit..10:14
pschulz01UbuntuOnMac, HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsApple, HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops, HardwareSupportMachinesDesktops10:15
mdkethe HardwareSupport pages are not documentation10:15
mdkei don't know about the others10:16
mdkefeel free to integrate your guide with any existing material :)10:16
pschulz01Cheers10:21
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jsgotangcojdub: is that your home phone?03:19
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EricNeonhi all03:49
EricNeonanybody seen mark ?03:49
jsgotangcoonline?03:51
EricNeonyes03:51
jsgotangcohe's online on the -devel channel but he's probably busy since he's not chatty at the moment03:52
EricNeonI will talk about ubuntu china team with him03:52
jsgotangcohe went to beijing and shanghai you didnt get to meet him?03:52
EricNeonyes , we meet him03:53
EricNeonwe talk over ubuntu in China03:54
EricNeonand I sent him a resume of ubuntu-cn team03:54
EricNeonthen we waiting for his reply, but no~03:54
EricNeonwe are preparing Dapper Release Party in Shanghai03:56
jsgotangcoaren't we all :)03:56
EricNeon'we' is meens Ubuntu-CN03:56
jsgotangcoyes i'm very much aware of that :P03:57
EricNeonwe are all fretfully03:58
EricNeonmy god 04:01
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EricNeontest what 04:11
jsgotangcocompiled kernel :)04:14
EricNeonoh04:14
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WaterSevenUbmdke, do you know if the OMF files that ship with ubuntu-doc have to be translated manually? I mean, the strings are not in any way imported from rosetta somewhere?04:39
mdkeWaterSevenUb, they will be included in the template for each document in rosetta04:40
WaterSevenUbmdke, for dapper? in breezy they weren't, right?04:40
mdkethis is a change from breezy, where they are untranslated04:40
mdkeright04:40
WaterSevenUbok04:40
WaterSevenUbgreat.04:40
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=== mdke thinks its time to get a News out
mdkejsgotangco, jjesse, what's new in kubuntu docs world (except for the desktop guide initiative)?05:41
jsgotangcoi got nothing to say about kubuntu at the moment since i just finished the g-a-i manual and currently working on having an edubuntu quickguide05:42
jsgotangcothe desktop guide will most likely be more feasible than the quickguide if it gets completed05:42
jsgotangcoi did a very very minor change in u-m as well05:43
robotgeek_zzzjsgotangco: the status is now viewable online05:43
robotgeek_zzzhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html05:43
mdkejsgotangco, ok05:43
jsgotangcorobotgeek_zzz, i'm in favor of pushing it instaed of the quickguide since it'll get redundant if we have both i think05:43
robotgeek_zzzjsgotangco: hmm, maybe not05:44
jsgotangcohmm that's still a lot of stuff to be done05:44
robotgeekjsgotangco: i have to correct the status tags :)05:45
jsgotangcowe're supposed to have a meeting later but i doubt if i'll be awake at that time05:45
jsgotangcono one added an agenda item lol05:46
robotgeekjsgotangco: it is done for the most part, except for the help wanted sections05:47
robotgeeki'll fix the status tags right away05:48
mdkeok, i've added some things to the newsletter: please add any other things I've forgotten and I'll send it off later05:49
mdkehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/News2?action=show05:50
robotgeekmdke: you missed out TOdd Lambert's heavy wiki editing05:51
mdkerobotgeek, add it in05:51
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jjessejsgotangco: sorry i was out at lunch05:56
jjessejsgotangco: the goal is to get the desktop guide done by release, robotgeek has been working away at it quite well05:56
jsgotangcocool05:57
jsgotangcoi should get some sleep05:57
jsgotangco:/05:57
jsgotangcoreal life has been hard on me lately05:58
jsgotangco:)05:58
jjessei know how that goes05:58
jsgotangcolol05:58
jjesseriddell would love to get the desktop guide published in time :) -- no pressure robotgeek05:58
robotgeekjjesse: other than the help wanted sections, the rest are ok05:58
jjessecool i'll start reviewing it and add comments05:59
robotgeekjjesse: cool, thanks05:59
jsgotangcojjesse, you done in your book contribution?05:59
robotgeekbrb05:59
mdkejjesse, any other kubuntu related news for the newsletter? 06:00
jjessejsgotangco: i've done 2 drafts and have some things to change06:04
jjessemdke: work on the adept guide has started again06:04
jjessemdke: updating for all the changes that have taken place and working on getting it moved upstream to kde docs06:05
mdkecool, I'll add that, or will you?06:05
jjessecan you? i'm a little busy right now at work06:05
mdkesure thing06:05
mdkejjesse, did you upload it already? or is the old version still online?06:06
jjesseold version is still online, i'm basically rewriing the whole thing06:06
mdkeok06:07
jjessethere have been so many changes made, adept-notifier, adept-updater and adept-installer all have changed06:08
robotgeekjjesse: yeah, i was waiting to verify comments on that06:08
robotgeekerr, my statement on that. i mentioned it in comments06:09
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jjesseooo Kubuntu espresso :)  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEspresso06:15
mdkegood news06:18
jsgotangcoi'm most likely not to attend the meeting so its up to you guys06:36
jsgotangcoi gotta sleep (almost 2am)06:36
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mdkewell, there are no agenda items06:37
robotgeekmdke: i can add kdg, but i would not know what to discuss06:37
mdkewell, no need, if there isn't anything to discuss06:38
robotgeek:)06:39
robotgeekmdke: do you know of a console yelp :P06:40
mdkeno06:40
mdkethe validate script helps to see if the xml is valid though06:40
robotgeekyeah, i did not want to vnc into my box06:40
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robotgeekhey LaserJock 06:47
LaserJockhi robotgeek 06:48
jjesserobotgeek: the adept guide is referenced in the dg is that correct?07:00
robotgeekjjesse: yup07:01
jjesserobotgeek: hopefully this weekend i'll have some time while i do a file server migration07:01
robotgeeki am planning to put khelp:// links to all applications mentioned07:01
LaserJockumm, do we have any agenda items for the meeting today?07:01
robotgeekjjesse: other than the update kubuntu section, i think the add-applications chapter is done07:02
jjesserobotgeek: awesome, its so nice to have more then one peroosn doiong kubntu docs :)07:06
robotgeekjjesse: yup :)07:06
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LaserJockhi theCore 07:13
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theCoreLaserJock: hello LaserJock07:23
theCoreI am up again!07:23
LaserJockgreat07:23
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jjesse_meetingrobotgeek: any thoughts about posting on the kubuntu forums and asking for comments on the desktop guide like we did for ubuntu desktop guide?07:44
robotgeekjjesse_meeting: yes, that would be a good idea07:44
robotgeekjjesse: i think we should wait till the page is actually generated online07:45
jjesseagreed thought it was07:45
robotgeekjjesse: i think sometime in the last one hour07:45
robotgeekit did get generated :)07:45
robotgeekhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html07:46
robotgeekjjesse: maybe after 24 hours, i am updating status tags and stuff07:46
jjesseok07:47
robotgeekjjesse: is it a good idea to link to the applications help page?07:47
CarlFKhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu says "doing a server install of Ubuntu" - anyone have a URL for how to do that?  07:53
jjesseCarlFK: just type server at the install, check out #ubuntu for support or #ubuntu-server07:54
CarlFKI know how, but trying to answer some q;s07:54
CarlFK#ubuntu-server - didn't know aobut that -thanks07:54
LaserJockmdke: are we going to have a meeting today?08:37
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Burgworkwoot! first drafts are off09:02
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mdkeLaserJock, i don't think so09:18
mdkeLaserJock, nothing on the agenda anyway09:18
LaserJockmdke: ok :(09:18
mdkeLaserJock, did you have something?09:18
LaserJocknot really, I just wondered if we could have some sort of status report09:19
LaserJockmaybe I'll try to whip up an agenda item for next time, it is kinda short notice if I add something now09:20
mdkeyeah, ok09:20
robotgeekmdke: do you want to me comment out Kubuntu User Guide in doc.ubuntu.com 09:24
manickaI believe naaman wants to discuss his wikicleanup proposal09:24
LaserJockmanicka: is he going to be around?09:27
manickahe said last night that he would be09:27
LaserJockok, so maybe we can have a quick meeting and maybe plan some items for next time?09:28
manickasounds good :)09:29
robotgeekmdke: around?09:30
robotgeekmanicka: ping09:46
manickayo09:46
robotgeekhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html 09:47
robotgeekmanicka: feel free to review/ add stuff to "in progress"/"help wanted"09:47
robotgeek:)09:47
manickawill do :)09:47
robotgeekalrite, later then09:49
LaserJockDoc team meeting anyone?10:04
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manickabustacap... meeting?10:15
mdkerobotgeek, hi. No, I think you should have it in the menu10:43
robotgeekmdke: okay, i did not comment it10:44
mdkecool10:44
robotgeekmdke: #ubuntu-meeting10:44
robotgeeki just added desktop-guide to the list10:44
mdkei can't hang around for a meeting I'm afraid10:44
mdkeespecially a meeting without agenda items :)10:45
robotgeekmdke: okay, bustacap is here 10:45
mdkehi bustacap 10:45
bustacaphello mdke10:45
mdkenice to see you back here :)10:45
bustacaphaha I just looked into this channel10:45
bustacapyeah..10:45
mdkefraid I can't hang around much10:46
bustacapjoin the meeting mdke10:46
mdkei've been neglecting my girlfriend because of an exam at work, so I'm going to go offline10:46
mdkesorry10:47
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LaserJockrobotgeek: around?12:03
robotgeekyeah LaserJock 12:03

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