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| heatxsink | so 2.6.15-16-23 doesn't have that bluez patch? | 10:32 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | New git tree for dapper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 2.6.15-17.24 uploaded (\./) | Daily Diet of Destruction: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels-daily/ | ||
| fabbione | hey BenC | 01:32 |
| BenC | hey fabio | 01:33 |
| fabbione | BenC: sparc buildds are up and running | 01:33 |
| fabbione | :) | 01:33 |
| BenC | kick ass | 01:33 |
| fabbione | BenC: if you can be so kind to pull/push from me i have a few |Viagara bug fixes from davem | 01:34 |
| fabbione | RTC driver and SMP | 01:34 |
| BenC | fabbione: btw, this time around, I kept all the ABI files for all 6 architectrures :) | 01:34 |
| fabbione | now it is stable :) | 01:34 |
| BenC | ok | 01:34 |
| fabbione | yeah i saw | 01:34 |
| fabbione | no abi changes | 01:34 |
| BenC | great, now Sun can send me one so I can use it :) | 01:34 |
| fabbione | i wish i could get one too :) | 01:34 |
| BenC | if they send me two, I'll sneek one into Germany for you :) | 01:34 |
| fabbione | eheh | 01:35 |
| fabbione | too bad i won't be in Germany | 01:35 |
| fabbione | my wife delivery is right at that time | 01:35 |
| fabbione | so i might or not come.. | 01:35 |
| fabbione | it depends how i "fell" | 01:35 |
| BenC | ah, yeah, don't want to take a chance of missing that delivery | 01:35 |
| fabbione | yeah exactly | 01:35 |
| fabbione | https://launchpad.net/+builds | 01:36 |
| fabbione | BenC: i wanted to talk to you about silo too | 01:38 |
| fabbione | how bad would it be to move it to git? (including history) | 01:38 |
| fabbione | tailor did convert the svn repo without a glitch | 01:38 |
| fabbione | or gime davem and me svn commit rights? :) | 01:38 |
| BenC | would probably be easier to convert to git | 01:39 |
| BenC | drop it on master.k.o | 01:39 |
| fabbione | yeah | 01:39 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/silo.tailor.conf | 01:40 |
| fabbione | use this tailor config to import trunk into git | 01:40 |
| fabbione | with history | 01:40 |
| fabbione | of course change the paths to what fits you best :) | 01:40 |
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| jbailey | BenC: *poke* | 05:07 |
| BenC | jbailey: yo | 05:07 |
| jbailey | BenC: FCare to join us on the call? =) | 05:07 |
| BenC | oh crap | 05:07 |
| BenC | give me about 2 minutes | 05:07 |
| jbailey | *lol* | 05:07 |
| mjg59 | Hm. | 05:15 |
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| BenC | shitty...both my USB2 systems work fine with a USB2 storage device | 07:16 |
| BenC | why can't I get a broken ehci like everyone else | 07:17 |
| mjg59 | BenC: How's your IDE knowledge? | 07:17 |
| BenC | suitable for questions, not sure about answers though :) | 07:17 |
| mjg59 | I have a PATA controller here | 07:17 |
| mjg59 | If I drive it with ata_piix (the libata driver), it works fine | 07:17 |
| BenC | via, intel, promise? | 07:18 |
| mjg59 | Intel | 07:18 |
| BenC | intel, ok | 07:18 |
| BenC | ahci is broken? | 07:18 |
| mjg59 | If I drive it with piix (the drivers/ide one), it doesn't work | 07:18 |
| mjg59 | No, this isn't a SATA controller | 07:18 |
| BenC | ah, right, piix | 07:18 |
| BenC | what sort of error messages from piix? | 07:18 |
| mjg59 | Or rather, it seems fine until I load ide-cd, at which point I get a spew of "failed opcode" errors and then interrupts rise at about 1000 a second | 07:19 |
| BenC | this seems familiar...I think there's a bug like this in lp | 07:19 |
| BenC | I can't wait for 2.6.16 when most everything is in libata | 07:20 |
| BenC | will be a nightmare for upgrades, but it will be worth it | 07:20 |
| BenC | can't seem to find it right now | 07:22 |
| BenC | want to try the 2.6.16-git piix.c in dapper's kernel? | 07:24 |
| BenC | nm, no code changes in 2.6.16-git | 07:26 |
| jbailey | BenC: Why a nightmare for upgrades? | 07:36 |
| jbailey | initramfs-tools ought to just load the right driver based on the PCI ID, shouldn't iT? | 07:36 |
| BenC | the switch to libata based IDE will make things go from /dev/hda to /dev/sda | 07:37 |
| BenC | if we had been using UUID based root and filesystem mounting all along, it wouldn't be a problem | 07:37 |
| BenC | however, there's also initramfs support for find-root or something like that | 07:38 |
| BenC | maybe it can help detect the changes | 07:38 |
| mjg59 | Or udev can magically make them appear as hdwhatever anyway | 07:40 |
| mjg59 | (I'm not convinced, but...) | 07:40 |
| BenC | hmm...I wonder if udev can rename devices for PATA to a corresponding hd instead of sd :) | 07:41 |
| jbailey | Ouch, that's nasty. | 07:43 |
| jbailey | Is this a permanent change? | 07:43 |
| doko | BenC, mjg59: what package/setting does turn on power management for hd's? shutting down hd's in a server install doesn't seem to make sense | 07:44 |
| jbailey | Like will all IDE devices then be sda'ish evermore?> | 07:44 |
| BenC | doko: not sure... | 07:44 |
| mjg59 | doko: To the best of my knowledge, no package does it | 07:44 |
| BenC | jbailey: pretty much...I think the long term plan is to move everything to libata/PATA | 07:44 |
| BenC | doko: do you have the -server install, or just normal ubuntu? | 07:45 |
| jbailey | BenC: Ah, okay. | 07:45 |
| doko | BenC: -server install | 07:45 |
| doko | so normal install CD, but -server install, server kernel | 07:45 |
| BenC | doko: complain to fabbione...he's responsible for much of -server stuff | 07:46 |
| BenC | doko: dapper? | 07:46 |
| doko | yes | 07:46 |
| BenC | yeah, he'd be interested in that | 07:46 |
| fabbione | BenC: nope.. it's a .15 thingy to shut down disks all the time | 07:46 |
| doko | fabbione: ^^^ | 07:46 |
| fabbione | doko: ^^ | 07:46 |
| BenC | fabbione: are you sure it's not some default in hdparm.conf? | 07:46 |
| BenC | or perhaps even a BIOS setting | 07:47 |
| fabbione | even if i boot with .15 and stay at "Choose language" in d-i the disks are turned off | 07:47 |
| fabbione | BenC: it didn't happen with .12 | 07:47 |
| fabbione | even my raid5 of 6 disks does go to sleep once in a while | 07:47 |
| BenC | can it be overridden with hdparm? | 07:47 |
| doko | I can confirm this, .12 didn't spin down the disks | 07:47 |
| BenC | -server could have customer settings | 07:47 |
| BenC | custom | 07:47 |
| fabbione | BenC: dunno... | 07:48 |
| fabbione | i am not a fun of hdparm | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Probably best to figure out why the kernel is setting it... | 07:48 |
| fabbione | mjg59++ | 07:48 |
| BenC | could be a good reason though :) | 07:48 |
| BenC | most people want that...but I guess it could be changed for -server | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | BenC: We can set the timeout from userspace | 07:49 |
| fabbione | no userland tricks pretty please | 07:49 |
| BenC | can you get the hdparm output for .12 and .15 and see if there's some difference? | 07:49 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes i think i can | 07:49 |
| fabbione | BenC: but not right away | 07:49 |
| mjg59 | But by default, the kernel ought to be leaving them runnning | 07:49 |
| BenC | then I can track down in the kernel | 07:49 |
| BenC | np, just email it when you can | 07:49 |
| fabbione | BenC: i also got hints from elmo about -server kernel | 07:49 |
| fabbione | BenC: like using a more sane deadline scheduler by default | 07:49 |
| BenC | looks like we'll be getting a powerpc-pseries kernel back, BTW | 07:50 |
| BenC | IBM is offering to test it for us | 07:50 |
| fabbione | ah nice | 07:50 |
| fabbione | ask benh for a config | 07:50 |
| fabbione | he has access to one | 07:50 |
| BenC | I wish we could get someone to get mkvmlinux+oldworld boot working again too | 07:51 |
| fabbione | why? | 07:51 |
| fabbione | BenC: you could ask sven luther | 07:51 |
| fabbione | but that would also mean shipping 20 CDs for powerpc | 07:52 |
| BenC | uh, heh, might pass | 07:52 |
| fabbione | one for each possible arch/subarch/underarch combination | 07:52 |
| fabbione | :P | 07:52 |
| BenC | don't forget the uberarch's | 07:52 |
| fabbione | ehe | 08:02 |
| jbailey | Are there any oldworld systems that people still care about? | 08:04 |
| jbailey | I thought you had to go back quite a ways to find them. | 08:04 |
| BenC | infinity claims he has a G3 that needs oldworld boot | 08:25 |
| BenC | but I don't think he cares enough about it to get it working :) | 08:26 |
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| bluefoxicy | Can somebody give this bug a proper looking at and set appropriate status and severity so it gets assigned faster | 09:35 |
| bluefoxicy | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/32072 | 09:35 |
| bluefoxicy | kernel NULL pointer dereference in 2.6.15-14-amd64-k8 | 09:36 |
| bluefoxicy | don't know if it was found and fixed by -17 | 09:36 |
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