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| netzmeister | slomo are you there? | 12:16 |
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| LaserJock | netzmeister: how is the packaging coming? | 12:29 |
| netzmeister | it looks good.. | 12:30 |
| netzmeister | http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/317/ | 12:30 |
| netzmeister | thats the result of lintian.. | 12:30 |
| netzmeister | i have no idea.. | 12:31 |
| netzmeister | :( | 12:31 |
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| LaserJock | netzmeister: well the first couple are because it seems you don't have a manpage for each binary you're installing | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | netzmeister: and COPYING shouldn't be installed | 12:33 |
| netzmeister | how? | 12:33 |
| raphink | netzmeister: the best way to provide manpages for your package is using docbook | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | hi raphink | 12:34 |
| raphink | hi LaserJock <>< | 12:34 |
| netzmeister | raphink: okay, i used manedit | 12:34 |
| netzmeister | i've deleted the file COPYING but then the build process stopps with an error | 12:34 |
| raphink | got my repo up today LaserJock :) all automatized in bash :) look : http://packages.raphink.net | 12:34 |
| raphink | netzmeister: don't delete anything from the source | 12:34 |
| netzmeister | k | 12:34 |
| raphink | netzmeister: the only changes should bring to the dir are in debian/ | 12:34 |
| raphink | don't add or remove anything but this dir | 12:35 |
| raphink | if you need to change things in the sources, you have to use patches | 12:35 |
| raphink | LaserJock: well css are not from me as you can guess ;) | 12:35 |
| netzmeister | raphink: okay. | 12:35 |
| netzmeister | but i don't know what i could do, to solve the last errors.. | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | raphink: am I going to have to report you to canonical ;-) | 12:36 |
| netzmeister | (manpage are no problems..) | 12:36 |
| raphink | LaserJock: why? | 12:36 |
| raphink | LaserJock: because of the logo ? | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | raphink: you doing naughty things? | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | raphink: copyrighted material ;-) | 12:37 |
| raphink | ajmitch: just having a repo | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 12:37 |
| raphink | LaserJock: I didn't modify the logo and it's used all around on the internet | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | raphink: np, I'm just to used to the doc team | 12:38 |
| raphink | LaserJock: no but if there's a good reason for you to say that, I'd be happy to know :) | 12:38 |
| raphink | ajmitch: what? | 12:38 |
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| netzmeister | wb slomo | 12:40 |
| netzmeister | ups, auto reconnect. :) | 12:40 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:40 |
| netzmeister | *g* | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | raphink: the black helicopters should be overhead shortly | 12:41 |
| raphink | haha | 12:41 |
| raphink | ajmitch: no really tell me what part is wrong? | 12:41 |
| raphink | using the logo, using the revu css ? | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | raphink: even worse, you'll have this to deal with: http://ploum.frimouvy.org/images/cheerleader.png | 12:42 |
| raphink | llllllllloooooool | 12:42 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:42 |
| netzmeister | "W: codeblocks: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libwxscintilla.so.0.0.1 usr/lib/libwxscintilla.so" :( | 12:42 |
| netzmeister | i have no idea. am i a b00n? | 12:42 |
| hub | netzmeister: the .so needs to go in the -dev pacakge | 12:42 |
| netzmeister | aha | 12:43 |
| hub | netzmeister: because it is only used when link with -l | 12:43 |
| netzmeister | o_O | 12:43 |
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| netzmeister | "no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libcodeblocks.so.0.0.1" this error is past.. | 12:54 |
| netzmeister | :) | 12:54 |
| netzmeister | http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/318/ | 01:01 |
| netzmeister | 3 errors... | 01:01 |
| netzmeister | hub: i think my english is not good enough to understand the problem with the -dev package | 01:02 |
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| netzmeister | okay, i'm out. cu later | 01:21 |
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| marcin` | hi MOTU's again | 01:45 |
| marcin` | need some info how to create patches to orig sources that I could apply with package? | 01:46 |
| marcin` | could some point me to some docs about it? | 01:46 |
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| crimsun | marcin`: you can either use the transcript of ajmitch's motu school lesson as a guide ( I think sladen made a good summary; check the motu mailing list archives ), or you can use the Debian NMG, or you can use what LaserJock has done thus far with the packaging guide | 01:49 |
| sladen | marcin`: http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/tutorial/01/ in fact I even checked it yesterday for something | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: I didn't really cover that part | 01:51 |
| sladen | I might do a terse writeup/braindump/howto | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | \sh explained a bit previous to my ramble, on how to do patching | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: btw I see that fixes have landed in alsa CVS for acer laptops like mine | 01:52 |
| sladen | ajmitch: would would be really useful is a ''how to add debian/patches/ to a package that doesn't have it | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | sladen: I probably have the logs of it somewhere | 01:53 |
| sladen | ajmitch: and a 2 minute guide to working with quilt (since even I gave up after 3hours of faffing) | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | since that wasn't me explaining it | 01:53 |
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| marcin` | sladen: thanks but this tutorial is nice but unfortunately doesn't answer my question | 02:01 |
| marcin` | sladen: I know how to create package but don't know how to prepare packages that I could apply to orig sources | 02:02 |
| marcin` | sladen: so I know how to package - don't know how to prepare package that changes something in orig sources | 02:03 |
| marcin` | so guys... in MOTU school I see that dpatch is 'bad' | 02:03 |
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| minghua | hello MOTU world | 02:04 |
| sladen | marcin`: I don't undersrand that; everyone is telling me off if I don't use delta patches | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | the context is that it's not nice to add a patch system to an existing debian package, since that can & possibly will greatly annoy the debian maintainer | 02:07 |
| marcin` | ajmitch: I don't care about debian maintainer because package I create is not in debian yet | 02:08 |
| marcin` | ajmitch: but I need to patch orig source so.... ? what to do? | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | then use what you want | 02:08 |
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| ajmitch | if you want to use dpatch on something you're doing yourself, that's fine | 02:09 |
| marcin` | ajmitch: ok let's say - cdbs... | 02:09 |
| marcin` | ajmitch: then could you give me url how to prepare patches? | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | include dpatch.mk, and use dpatch-edit-patch | 02:10 |
| tseng | if you are using cdbs you can include simple-patchsys | 02:11 |
| tseng | and put normal diffs in debian/patches | 02:11 |
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| marcin` | I love it... | 02:13 |
| marcin` | guys - please... URL ? | 02:13 |
| marcin` | howto? | 02:13 |
| tseng | i thought I just gave you the howto | 02:13 |
| marcin` | (I know I know google is my friend) | 02:13 |
| tseng | apt-get source muine | 02:14 |
| tseng | learn by example | 02:14 |
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| marcin` | tseng: ok thanks | 02:18 |
| marcin` | tseng: but just one thing | 02:18 |
| marcin` | tseng: how you create files in debian/patch ? | 02:19 |
| tseng | with diff | 02:19 |
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| marcin` | tseng: sorry debian/patches | 02:19 |
| tseng | diff -ruN sourcetree.old sourcetree.new | 02:19 |
| tseng | or: cdbs-edit-patch | 02:19 |
| marcin` | and you need to be in source directory to run this right? | 02:20 |
| marcin` | anyway I'll try | 02:21 |
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| crimsun | 'night guys (still recovering from stomach flu) | 02:39 |
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| freeflying | siretart: ping | 03:33 |
| freeflying | raphink: ping | 03:34 |
| raphink | freeflying: pong | 03:35 |
| freeflying | raphink: need help again , hehe | 03:35 |
| raphink | with what? | 03:35 |
| freeflying | raphink: plz del scim-pinyin on revu | 03:35 |
| raphink | right | 03:35 |
| freeflying | raphink: thx, i'd reupload soon | 03:36 |
| raphink | done | 03:36 |
| freeflying | raphink: would u mind review it | 03:37 |
| raphink | hmm not right now | 03:37 |
| raphink | it's 3:37AM | 03:37 |
| raphink | so I'm not in a good state to review ;) | 03:37 |
| raphink | hehe | 03:37 |
| freeflying | hmm | 03:37 |
| raphink | ;) | 03:38 |
| minghua | freeflying: are you trying to upload scim-pinyin 0.5.91 to dapper? | 03:40 |
| freeflying | minghua: have a try | 03:40 |
| minghua | freeflying: I would appreciate a notice before your upload then (as the Debian maintainer, not as the fellow Ubuntu member), thanks | 03:41 |
| freeflying | minghua: work on this , just for the support of skim | 03:43 |
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| KillerKiwi2006 | anybody know if the CNR http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7474779842.html rumor is ture? | 03:43 |
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| minghua | freeflying: well, I don't agree with at least the removal of scim-chinese | 03:44 |
| dolson | KillerKiwi2006: geez, I sure hope not | 03:44 |
| minghua | freeflying: but as I have said, anybody can upload SCIM stuff in ubuntu, I am just asking for a notice to the Debian maintainer | 03:44 |
| freeflying | minghua: this due to the languag-pack depend on scim-pinyin | 03:45 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | dolson: my thoughts exactlly | 03:45 |
| dolson | KillerKiwi2006: I hope someone higher up gives you an answer... I don't like where this is heading if it's true though | 03:45 |
| minghua | freeflying: 1. we are in feature freeze; 2. scim-pinyin 0.5.0 works just fine with skim without the special skim support part; 3. I don't agree with your style of im-switch support | 03:46 |
| minghua | freeflying: but I am not going to argue with you about this, you have you right to upload as you want (as long as you can find a sponsor) | 03:47 |
| minghua | freeflying: I am just asking for a notice, so I know what's going on with my Debian package in Ubuntu | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | KillerKiwi2006: who knows | 03:48 |
| freeflying | minghua: we make scim's module register scim to im-switch now ,how about it ? | 03:48 |
| minghua | freeflying: and if you keep your "we don't need to tell you about anything we do with scim in ubuntu", I am fine with that as well | 03:48 |
| minghua | freeflying: If you don't want to talk with me about scim, I don't mind. I just ask for a _notice_. | 03:49 |
| freeflying | minghua: if you have interesting on those , I will tell you | 03:50 |
| minghua | freeflying: I have always had interest. What about answering my mail to ubuntu-devel list? | 03:50 |
| dolson | KillerKiwi2006: if it was only used for things that aren't legal otherwise, then I would welcome it, but still wouldn't use it. I can't see it replacing synaptic/apt/etc though.. if it does, well, back to debian I go. :) | 03:50 |
| minghua | and I am busy this week | 03:51 |
| minghua | so I don't have time for ubuntu stuff | 03:51 |
| freeflying | minghua: right I can give private mail or mail to ml | 03:51 |
| ajmitch | dolson: of course it wouldn't replace apt, etc | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | the rest of the developers would have a fit | 03:53 |
| dolson | I am in good company then :) | 03:53 |
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| dolson | the more I read about it, the more I think it's a good solution for the codec issues | 03:53 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | Would would be 'better' is if CNR only installed into a cmg like klik..... | 03:53 |
| Amaranth | There is no way Ubuntu is using CNR | 03:54 |
| minghua | freeflying: mailing list, please. thanks | 03:54 |
| dolson | no? the CEO of Linspire is posting on the Ubuntu forums | 03:54 |
| Amaranth | there are plans to move to SMART though, from what i've heard | 03:54 |
| Amaranth | michael robertson is posting to the ubuntu forums? | 03:55 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | yes | 03:55 |
| Amaranth | i should say hi | 03:55 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | i've seen some of his posts | 03:55 |
| dolson | no, it's Kevin Carmony | 03:55 |
| Amaranth | and see if i can get the job he gave to cody over me :P | 03:55 |
| dolson | Camony I mean | 03:55 |
| Amaranth | oh, who cares then :P | 03:55 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | Was an interesting read about selling OOS in stores | 03:55 |
| Amaranth | "Absolutely," Carmony replied. "I've talked to Mark [Shuttleworth] about it. We both like the idea a great deal. We'd just make a way to apt-get the CNR client for free, then Ubuntu users could choose to simply use apt, OR, for those who want the one-click convenience of CNR, they could try CNR for free for 15 days, and if they like it, pay for the service [$20 per year] . | 03:57 |
| Amaranth | so if anything it'd be optional | 03:57 |
| Amaranth | you guys made it sound like it was going to be mandatory | 03:57 |
| dolson | I did? No I didn't, I said I wouldn't use Ubuntu if it was | 03:58 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | " anybody know if the .... rumor is ture?" | 03:58 |
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| === KillerKiwi2006 was asking about rumor..... sorry for mis leed | ||
| ajmitch | KillerKiwi2006: it's ok | 03:59 |
| dolson | anyhow, I like how he justifies it... "98% of the world will no way take the time to learn how apt-get works" and then goes on to say "he wouldn't put our client in the default distro but would have to be apt from a different location or downloaded and installed separately" | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | but asking here probably isn't the best place to verify any rumours | 03:59 |
| dolson | so... you need to learn how to apt in order to get CNR so that you don't have to apt | 04:00 |
| Amaranth | i wonder if he found out we were working towards a free CNR replacement and offered this to make people give up on the project | 04:00 |
| dolson | Amaranth: that's what SMART is, right? is there a web presence yet? | 04:00 |
| ajmitch | KillerKiwi2006: where in NZ, btw? | 04:01 |
| Amaranth | SMART is an apt replacement | 04:01 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | auckland | 04:01 |
| dolson | hmm | 04:02 |
| Amaranth | http://labix.org/smart | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: so what is this CNR replacement you have? | 04:03 |
| Amaranth | maybe smart isn't an acronym, looks like i'm just shouting | 04:03 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: for breezy we were working on turning g-a-i into that, i guess it already basically died | 04:04 |
| Amaranth | although it'll get there, bit by bit | 04:04 |
| Amaranth | dolson: "Canonical Ltd. - Is funding Smart development since September of 2005." | 04:05 |
| whiprush | I'd rather people just pay linspire the 20 bucks and bother then with support than them breaking their stuff with the forum script-of-the-day I guess. | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: last I heard the author was working on launchpad | 04:07 |
| Amaranth | whiprush: hehe, automatix is dead | 04:07 |
| Amaranth | i killed it | 04:07 |
| Amaranth | that was a fun day | 04:07 |
| dolson | how did you kill it? :D | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: no, plenty of people still love their automatix | 04:07 |
| dolson | and did you kill EasyUbuntu too? | 04:08 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: But no one works on it anymore and it's not promoted. | 04:08 |
| Amaranth | EasyUbuntu? No, I help with that one. :) | 04:08 |
| dolson | awesome! | 04:08 |
| Amaranth | Sort of, I'm there for Python questions and such | 04:08 |
| dolson | cool. I read lots of bad things about Automatix.. and I didn't like that whole "I can killall zenity if I want to because no one uses it" thing | 04:09 |
| Amaranth | i killed automatix by making a fake fork called automatix-ng, forcing the author to admit defeat on the name issue, which made him so mad he quit working on it | 04:09 |
| dolson | lol | 04:09 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | That was when he tried to change the lisence? | 04:09 |
| Amaranth | basically he got pissed and took him ball and went home | 04:09 |
| Amaranth | his | 04:10 |
| Amaranth | KillerKiwi2006: no, that was earlier | 04:10 |
| dolson | hahaha. that guy was a total jerk.. I couldn't believe the posts he was making | 04:10 |
| Amaranth | killall zenity, creating a root account, --force-yes on apt | 04:10 |
| Amaranth | it was scarily broken | 04:10 |
| dolson | yeah, I read all that. I'm reading your thread now, lol | 04:11 |
| TheMuso | automatix was a good idea though, but by the sounds of it, was badly coded. | 04:12 |
| TheMuso | IMO it was a good idea anyway. | 04:12 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | i think easyubuntu was first.... | 04:12 |
| Amaranth | TheMuso: that's why EasyUbuntu is around | 04:12 |
| Amaranth | it was | 04:12 |
| Amaranth | automatix was a fork of the original easyubuntu | 04:12 |
| Amaranth | which died | 04:12 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 04:13 |
| Amaranth | nalioth, robotgeek, keyes (original author), and me (sort of) are remaking it in python | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | all of it leaves a bad taste in my mouth | 04:13 |
| dolson | and came back stronger | 04:13 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | it looks good | 04:13 |
| Amaranth | to basically be a sane automatix | 04:13 |
| dolson | it won't be in dapper, will it? | 04:13 |
| Amaranth | i don't believe so | 04:14 |
| dolson | that sucks :( | 04:14 |
| dolson | haha, I love that admin. "I'll start banning people for no good reason at all!$@#%@%" | 04:15 |
| dolson | *personal attack removed* -- damn! I always looked forward to arnieboy's childish insults | 04:21 |
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| dolson | what's that KillerKiwi2006? | 04:23 |
| Amaranth | dolson: I have a copy | 04:23 |
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| dolson | Amaranth: /msg me what he said :D | 04:23 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | http://aluminum.sourmilk.net/reveal/ | 04:23 |
| Amaranth | alerts | 04:23 |
| Amaranth | man, i must be tired | 04:23 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | shows thumbnails of webpages visted in a timeline | 04:23 |
| dolson | oh nice | 04:23 |
| Amaranth | dolson: 'his effort with smeg took him more than a year and its still a bag of wormy bugs.. lol.. all the best with automatix :) Amaranth said to himself : "well since I cant do shit with smeg after everything, lets go and **** someone else's work and hog some limelight."' | 04:24 |
| dolson | too bad I am using Epiohany now | 04:24 |
| Amaranth | KillerKiwi2006: it shows thumbnail tooltips on the back and forward buttons too | 04:24 |
| dolson | Amaranth: lol | 04:24 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | lol true | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | KillerKiwi2006: so you want to join the MOTUs in making ubuntu a better place? :) | 04:25 |
| dolson | yeah, you could package up automatix | 04:25 |
| KillerKiwi2006 | :P | 04:25 |
| Amaranth | eek i'm getting easyubuntu bugs | 04:25 |
| dolson | with checkinstall | 04:25 |
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| KillerKiwi2006 | yup | 04:25 |
| dolson | Empty cup of Ubuntu ? lol | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: stop blaming the kiwis | 04:28 |
| Amaranth | dolson: means banned | 04:28 |
| dolson | Amaranth: yeah, who got that? Seth? | 04:29 |
| Amaranth | i guess | 04:29 |
| dolson | it seems to me that he's still working on automatix.. he's posting in his threads about it, and actually, surprisingly, he admitted that it was a stop-gap measure to counter the absense of.. wait for it... Linspire's CNR | 04:31 |
| Amaranth | ha | 04:32 |
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| dolson | hmmm, does anyone know of a really simple app like Thoggen but for another format, such as XviD or MPEG? | 05:02 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: ping? | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yes? | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: do you use madison-lite? | 05:49 |
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| ajmitch | yes | 05:50 |
| ajmitch | there's a working config on tiber | 05:50 |
| ajmitch | iirc /usr/local/bin/update-madison-lite-mirror & the config in /etc | 05:50 |
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| LaserJock | I'm using it but I don't know how to update it | 05:51 |
| ajmitch | see above.. | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | ok, thanks. | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: hmm, I'm not an admin, could you run it for me? | 05:57 |
| minghua | hi LaserJock | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | it was being run every 12 hours | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | hi minghua | 05:57 |
| minghua | LaserJock: any words from plotdrop upstream? | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | minghua: hmm, about the problem you had? | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: any reason it needs to be re-run now? | 05:57 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yeah, about needing libglade >= 2.6 | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: not particularly, I was just comparing some stuff that hit debian pretty recently. If it is being update every 12 hrs it's ok | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | minghua: hmm, just a sec. let me search my email | 05:58 |
| minghua | LaserJock: and actually your build-dependency needs to be tightened as well | 05:58 |
| LaserJock | minghua: yeah? I'm always up for package improvement tips ;-) | 05:59 |
| LaserJock | minghua: ok, so upstream asked if you were by change compiling with gtk 2.6 but runnint 2.4 | 06:00 |
| minghua | LaserJock: no, I built in a sarge chroot | 06:01 |
| minghua | LaserJock: it is gtk+ 2.6, but libglade 2.4 | 06:01 |
| minghua | LaserJock: you have Build-Depends: libglade2-dev in debian/control | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | sarge has gtk2.6? | 06:01 |
| minghua | LaserJock: in my opinion it should be libglade2-dev (>= ...) | 06:02 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yes: | 06:02 |
| minghua | Package: libgtk2.0-0 | 06:02 |
| minghua | Version: 2.6.4-3.1 | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | and libglade is 2.4, hmm. | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | ok, so is the problem with libglade then | 06:04 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I don't really insist any change, a claim that plotdrop requires libglade >= 2.6 would be sufficient | 06:05 |
| minghua | and then I can say it can't be backported to sarge without a patch :-P | 06:05 |
| minghua | LaserJock: anyway it's not urgent at all, just happens come to mind | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | well, upstream told me he was interested in the problem | 06:06 |
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| LaserJock | hi Gloubiboulga | 06:26 |
| Gloubiboulga | hey LaserJock | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | minghua: I'm going to email plotdrop upstream about your findings and see if he want's to change it to work or not. But I'll get the dep tightened anyway. | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | minghua: thank's for finding this | 06:28 |
| minghua | LaserJock: great, thanks | 06:28 |
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| G0SUB | is everybody sleeping? | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | no exactly | 06:47 |
| TheMuso | G0SUB: Not here. Tis mid to alte arvo here in Sydney. | 06:48 |
| G0SUB | heh | 06:48 |
| G0SUB | do you guys need any help with some packaging or bug fixing? | 06:48 |
| G0SUB | I want to help | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | I think we are mostly iin bug fixing mode at this point | 06:50 |
| G0SUB | yes, I can help in fixing bugs | 06:50 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga | 06:52 |
| Gloubiboulga | G0SUB? | 06:53 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga when you send in debdiffs, why don't you close the bugs in the changelog? | 06:53 |
| Gloubiboulga | good question | 06:54 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga you should always do that ... else it gives the uploader more pain | 06:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | you're certainly right | 06:55 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga can you share a few bugs with me? it seems you are way too fast in fixing the bugs in malone | 06:55 |
| G0SUB | :) | 06:55 |
| Gloubiboulga | G0SUB, I've used http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/unmet/dapper-unmet.txt to find bugs to fix | 06:56 |
| G0SUB | oh, ok | 06:56 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga thanks :) | 06:56 |
| Gloubiboulga | G0SUB, np ;) | 06:57 |
| Gloubiboulga | but browsing malone is also a good way to find some stuff to do | 06:57 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga yes, I am doing that itself | 06:57 |
| Gloubiboulga | even if it's only triage, it's usefull | 06:57 |
| Gloubiboulga | cool :) | 06:57 |
| G0SUB | working on #31152 now | 06:58 |
| Gloubiboulga | malone 31152 | 06:58 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 31152 in gtick "Missing .desktop file" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31152 | 06:58 |
| G0SUB | I will attach a debdiff | 06:58 |
| Gloubiboulga | there's a lot of missing desktop files... | 06:58 |
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| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga yep, a LOT | 06:59 |
| TheMuso | Gloubiboulga: Do these packages have bugs regarding the unmet deps? | 07:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | TheMuso, some of them have bugs | 07:02 |
| TheMuso | Thanks. | 07:02 |
| Gloubiboulga | TheMuso, I've started a wab page with status for some of these packages | 07:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | some just FTBFS | 07:03 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 07:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | I could turn it in a wiki page for a collaborative work | 07:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | :) | 07:03 |
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| TheMuso | Malone search doesn' seem to be working for me. | 07:04 |
| TheMuso | I enter a keyword, i.e a package name, and it sends me to the general info page about Ubuntu. | 07:04 |
| Gloubiboulga | I always use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/<source package> | 07:05 |
| TheMuso | Ah right. | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | Gloubiboulga: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/wip.py | 07:06 |
| ajmitch | Gloubiboulga: we don't want to go back to using the wiki for thousands of packages - it gets unbearably slow & messy | 07:07 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok ajmitch | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | see you tomorrow | 07:11 |
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| Gloubiboulga | cu ajmitch | 07:12 |
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| dolson | Emmek Hiktory? | 07:42 |
| G0SUB | dolson ? | 07:43 |
| dolson | is that your patch, G0SUB? | 07:43 |
| G0SUB | dolson yes | 07:43 |
| dolson | it's "Emmet Hikory" ;) | 07:44 |
| G0SUB | oh, crap | 07:44 |
| G0SUB | dolson typo | 07:44 |
| G0SUB | dolson fix the typo and upload to revu please | 07:44 |
| zakame | hello MOTUs! :D | 07:44 |
| dolson | ok :) | 07:44 |
| dolson | hi zakame | 07:44 |
| G0SUB | zakame :) not a motu yet | 07:45 |
| G0SUB | dolson thanks :) | 07:45 |
| G0SUB | dolson are you wokring on something now? | 07:45 |
| dolson | G0SUB: I'm going to patch that and put it on REVU | 07:45 |
| G0SUB | dolson fine ... | 07:45 |
| dolson | you told me to | 07:46 |
| zakame | heya G0SUB! | 07:46 |
| G0SUB | dolson can you wait for me to fix the patch and attach it? | 07:46 |
| dolson | well it's going to be changed if I do the upload anyhow | 07:47 |
| G0SUB | I see | 07:47 |
| dolson | do you not have REVU access yet? | 07:47 |
| G0SUB | doesn't matter ... you go ahead then | 07:47 |
| G0SUB | dolson no, I haven't applied | 07:47 |
| dolson | ah, ok | 07:47 |
| G0SUB | dolson I usually got jpatrick to upload my patches directly | 07:47 |
| TheMuso | G0SUB: It is not hard to get REVU access. | 07:48 |
| dolson | you patched an old, non-ubuntu version | 07:48 |
| TheMuso | And doesn't take long. | 07:48 |
| G0SUB | dolson non-ubuntu? | 07:49 |
| dolson | nevermind, there is no ubuntu version. nonetheless, your patch fails on the changelog.. doesn't matter, since I have to change it anyhow | 07:49 |
| G0SUB | dolson do | 07:49 |
| TheMuso | Anybody got any ideas as to why a source package FTBFS according to Launchpad, including i386, but I have just managed to successfully build in pbuilder? | 07:50 |
| TheMuso | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/supercollider/ | 07:51 |
| dolson | G0SUB: you didn't change the version properly or the distro, just FYI | 07:52 |
| G0SUB | dolson i mistakenly pulled down the breezy source | 07:53 |
| dolson | it was still wrong :) | 07:53 |
| dolson | version shouldn't be -2, but -1ubuntu1 | 07:53 |
| TheMuso | G0SUB: Are you working in a dapper chroot or an installed dapper setup? | 07:53 |
| dolson | distro should be dapper, not unstable | 07:54 |
| === TheMuso strongly recommends a good working environment so things do not get mixed up. | ||
| G0SUB | pbuilder | 07:54 |
| TheMuso | G0SUB: Yeah, but how did you get the source originally? do you simply have the dapper sources in your sources.list file? | 07:54 |
| G0SUB | well, I was supposed to be inside the chroot, but did the whole thing outside :) | 07:55 |
| === TheMuso likes having more than one Ubuntu supported arch to test builds on. | ||
| G0SUB | TheMuso are you a motu? | 07:56 |
| TheMuso | G0SUB: No. | 07:57 |
| G0SUB | ok | 07:57 |
| TheMuso | But I have had a lot of experience in the past 4 years or so packaging software for various distros. | 07:57 |
| TheMuso | Not saying that I am an expert or anything. | 07:57 |
| TheMuso | Far from it. | 07:57 |
| TheMuso | But I have found that having a good directory structure st up for storing source packages and related files can help a lot. | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | When I found out about dchroot, I set one up straight away. I love it. | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | Good for having an environment to do work in that if it breaks, doesn't affect your every day work. Even if you are running dapper as an OS. | 07:59 |
| TheMuso | Thats what I have found anyway. | 07:59 |
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| dolson | wtf | 08:20 |
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| siretart | morning folks | 09:27 |
| G0SUB | siretart | 09:28 |
| siretart | G0SUB! :) | 09:31 |
| Lathiat | return | 09:34 |
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| netzmeister | moin | 09:36 |
| siretart | hi netzmeister | 09:36 |
| netzmeister | hi siretart | 09:36 |
| netzmeister | :) | 09:36 |
| netzmeister | uhm i'm tired.. | 09:36 |
| siretart | Lathiat: just wanted to tell you that avahi/zeroconf just ROCK. hard! :) | 09:36 |
| dholbach | good morning | 09:37 |
| netzmeister | hi dholbach | 09:37 |
| Lathiat | siretart: thanks :) | 09:37 |
| freeflying | hey dholbach | 09:38 |
| dholbach | hey netzmeister, freeflying | 09:38 |
| siretart | hey dholbach! | 09:38 |
| dholbach | hey siretart | 09:38 |
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| Kagou | hi dholbach . I hope that i 'v well answered to your needs in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/blender/+bug/33306 | 09:44 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 33306 in blender "French translation of blender.desktop" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 09:44 |
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| dholbach | Kagou: looking | 09:46 |
| Kagou | i'm in the process of learning how to package / patch ... and do more than just report a bug | 09:48 |
| dholbach | Kagou: you made an unnecessary change to the changelog entry before | 09:49 |
| dholbach | Kagou: i'll remove that bit | 09:49 |
| Kagou | ok so it's not a obligation to do a "dch -i" | 09:49 |
| dholbach | no, not at all | 09:50 |
| Kagou | mmmh opkay | 09:50 |
| dholbach | it's just you modified the changelog entry before | 09:50 |
| dholbach | [ Daniel Holbach ] | 09:50 |
| dholbach | * Fake sync from Sid, UVF permission granted by mdz. | 09:50 |
| dholbach | [ VETSEL Patrice ] | 09:50 |
| dholbach | * - | 09:50 |
| dholbach | -- VETSEL Patrice <vetsel.patrice@wanadoo.fr> Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:25:14 +0100 | 09:50 |
| dholbach | that doesn't make sense | 09:50 |
| dholbach | as i uploaded 2.41-1ubuntu1 already | 09:50 |
| Kagou | ok | 09:50 |
| netzmeister | dholbach: It looks good.. http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/318/ | 09:52 |
| Kagou | just for information, do you know where is seb128 ?! | 09:52 |
| dholbach | not online yet | 09:53 |
| dholbach | netzmeister: still some stuff to fix | 09:53 |
| dholbach | netzmeister: but keep up the good work | 09:53 |
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| siretart | dholbach: so we are allowed to do emergency 'fake' syncs? | 09:57 |
| dholbach | absolutely | 09:57 |
| dholbach | do a build1 please | 09:57 |
| siretart | ok | 09:57 |
| siretart | in breezy I was told not to do this. but ok | 09:57 |
| zakame | hi MOTUs! | 09:57 |
| dholbach | Kagou: seb128 just arrived | 09:57 |
| siretart | hi zakame | 09:58 |
| dholbach | siretart: this is a different situation | 09:58 |
| siretart | hi seb128! :) | 09:58 |
| zakame | hello siretart | 09:58 |
| siretart | dholbach: yes, I understand | 09:58 |
| Kagou | roo | 09:59 |
| Kagou | thnx dholbach | 09:59 |
| zakame | what's with the 'fake' syncs? | 09:59 |
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| netzmeister | dholbach: Thx.. but i think that this problem "non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libwxscintilla.so.0.0.1 usr/lib/libwxscintilla.so" is atm to heavy for me.. | 10:11 |
| zakame | netzmeister: that's a lintian error | 10:11 |
| netzmeister | yes | 10:11 |
| netzmeister | zakame: but i don't know how to fix it.. | 10:12 |
| dholbach | netzmeister: i'd reccommend to get started with fixing minor bugs | 10:12 |
| dholbach | netzmeister: there you have a look at a lot of other packages - that's easier to start with | 10:12 |
| zakame | netzmeister: you probably need to read the libpkg-guide then :/ but I concur with dholbach | 10:12 |
| dholbach | apt-cache -i unmet is a *very good start* | 10:13 |
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| netzmeister | thx men. | 10:14 |
| netzmeister | i try later.. | 10:14 |
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| poningru | hi anyone around? | 10:44 |
| poningru | wanted to know if it was possible to package mythtv into one package/ meta package | 10:45 |
| poningru | as in right now inorder to install mythtv a user has to follow a giant howto/faq | 10:45 |
| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallMythOnUbuntu | 10:46 |
| poningru | so is it possible to setup some meta package that will do this for them? | 10:46 |
| poningru | creation of some sort of guided walk through or something | 10:47 |
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| TheMuso | WOuld the screen saver overriding the display of an app like xawtv be considered a bug? This never occurred in Breezy. | 11:10 |
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| dolson | TheMuso: that's an issue with gnome-screensaver.. it's not limited to xawtv, it's limited to <insert almost any app or game here> | 11:15 |
| TheMuso | dolson: Thanks. I haven't been following that thread, as normally it wouldn't bother me. :) | 11:19 |
| dolson | TheMuso: I hope it's fixed before dapper ships :\ either that or reverted back to xscreensaver until gnome-screensaver is more useful.. but I have no say in the matter, so who knows | 11:20 |
| dholbach | it might help, if upstream got bug reports for the issues | 11:21 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. I don't mind really. Was just using xawtv and noticed that happening. | 11:21 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, hi, perhaps i should continue working on wpa_supplicant now, before impatience sets in ; ) | 11:25 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: ah, hi Kel! I didn't know that you irc in this channel as well :) | 11:27 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, well, i don't usually ; ) was doing some searching tonight | 11:27 |
| siretart | ah, I see :) | 11:28 |
| kelmo_lap | anyhow, i've hit a small bug in upstream, wpa_cli is doing strange things, so i'll do my best to write the best pre-up possible and get it commited | 11:29 |
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| nomed | hi all | 11:40 |
| nomed | a question ... | 11:40 |
| nomed | if i attach a patch in launchpad should i change the status to "fix committed" ? | 11:41 |
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| G0SUB | nomed no | 11:43 |
| nomed | k thanks | 11:43 |
| G0SUB | nomed only a MOTU will do it when he uploads the fix | 11:43 |
| nomed | fix commited is something that should be changed by the maint true ? | 11:43 |
| nomed | k | 11:43 |
| dholbach | nomed: "Fix committed" is fine | 11:44 |
| dholbach | or well | 11:44 |
| dholbach | nomed: be sure to assign it to 'motureviewers' | 11:44 |
| dholbach | nomed: G0SUB is right - the guy who will upload it will set Fix committed | 11:44 |
| dholbach | it's PENDINGUPLOAD | 11:45 |
| G0SUB | oh | 11:45 |
| dholbach | nomed: so "Unconfirmed" is probably fine | 11:45 |
| G0SUB | dholbach you scared me :) | 11:45 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: I'm not sure if we really need to use wpa_cli at all | 11:46 |
| nomed | dholbach, ok | 11:46 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, oh? what did you have in mind? | 11:46 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: I'd rather generate a wpasupplicant config in ip-up.d, and start wpasupplicant just with that. on shutting down the interface, it gets removed | 11:46 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: for which part do we need wpa_cli? | 11:47 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, all of the runtime configuration | 11:47 |
| kelmo_lap | ssid proto key_mgmt pairwise etc etc | 11:47 |
| kelmo_lap | preauth | 11:48 |
| kelmo_lap | ap_scan | 11:48 |
| kelmo_lap | interface | 11:48 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: err, right, but ifupdown doesn't handle runtime configuration anyway. it is just for bringing up and shutting down the interface only | 11:48 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: If I'd want runtime configuration of interfaces, I'd use NetworkManager | 11:49 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, bridge-utils, wireless-tools, they do not require X-conf tool to manage multiple devices with different configurations | 11:49 |
| kelmo_lap | and wpa i believe should be handled similarly | 11:49 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: yes, I tend to agree, but I miss the point where ifupdown supports the user in any way with interface runtime configuration | 11:51 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, you saw my (extremely simplified) example of an interfaces stanza that set interface parems required to use wpa via wpa_supplicant | 11:52 |
| kelmo_lap | in that the example the configuration file was provided | 11:53 |
| kelmo_lap | but that started me thinking | 11:53 |
| kelmo_lap | that all of the configuration options can be given to the interface via wpa_cli, without any configuration file at all | 11:53 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: I didn't make too good experiences with wpa_cli | 11:54 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, i think i have a decent handle on it now | 11:55 |
| kelmo_lap | lets see ; ) | 11:55 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: the scripts you mailed my just terminate the wpa_supplicant daemon. this can be handled via unix signals and pid files as well | 11:55 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: so I don't see the necessity for using wpa_cli in ifupdown scripts at all. | 11:55 |
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| siretart | kelmo_lap: and I don't think that ALL configuration options can be given via wpa_cli. what about options like ap_scan, and ctrl_interface and so on? | 11:57 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, please give me the oppurtunity to finish polishing them up, so that i may explain with code, not hand waving | 11:58 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, and yes, ctrl_interface and ap_scan can be given via wpa_cli | 11:58 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: interesting. I'm looking very forward at looking at your proposal | 11:59 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, it is indeed something experimental, and i've yet to prove it will completely work in reality, so you are quite justified to question it ; ) | 12:01 |
| siretart | :) | 12:02 |
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| kelmo | siretart: i would say it is basically working now | 12:37 |
| siretart | kelmo: cool :) | 12:38 |
| kelmo | siretart: i will show you what i have so far, so that we are in agreement before i spend much time bugfixing, adding all (feasable) features supported by wpa-supplicant and documenting | 12:39 |
| siretart | kelmo: sounds sane. where can I look at it? | 12:39 |
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| kelmo | siretart: hehe, hang on man. i need to refresh my session, and grab a drink ; ) | 12:41 |
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| kelmo_lap | re | 12:48 |
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| kelmo_lap | siretart, some code plus an interfaces stanza: http://rafb.net/paste/results/fVET8449.html | 12:53 |
| kelmo_lap | simple wpa rsn configuration, with psk | 12:53 |
| kelmo_lap | where, wpa-conf determines whether or not to use any setting defined in interfaces | 12:54 |
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| kelmo_lap | whch may or mat not be desirable | 12:54 |
| kelmo_lap | but the imprtan thing is that just about *any* network can be supplied *after* running wpa_supplicant without a configuration file | 12:55 |
| kelmo_lap | important* | 12:55 |
| kelmo_lap | extra crap can sanitize user input (like use of caps, driver type to an extent) | 12:56 |
| kelmo_lap | crap being shell code ; ) | 12:57 |
| kelmo_lap | could even allow a new network to be defined on top of an existing wpa_supplicant conf, thus overriding some settings, but i've not had enough time to play around with that yet | 01:01 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: looks interesting. and I get a very vague idea why you object in creating a wpasupplicant configfile on the fly | 01:04 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: I wonder if we can get along with that.. | 01:05 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: one thing: in the case of multiple interfaces: how does wpa_cli know to which wpasupplicant daemon it should connect? | 01:06 |
| kelmo_lap | $WPACLI -i $IFACE | 01:06 |
| siretart | ah. I see | 01:06 |
| kelmo_lap | wpa_cli -i eth1 | 01:06 |
| marcin` | hi MOTU's | 01:06 |
| siretart | ah, and now I get the sanity check in line 18-20 | 01:06 |
| marcin` | could someone review my emacs-* packages in REVU? | 01:07 |
| kelmo_lap | yes, thtis also the post-down code | 01:07 |
| kelmo_lap | that is* | 01:07 |
| siretart | right | 01:07 |
| siretart | so this works for you without any configuration file at all?! | 01:07 |
| kelmo_lap | yes | 01:08 |
| kelmo_lap | no .conf required | 01:08 |
| siretart | looks quite promising | 01:08 |
| siretart | what happens if a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf is in the way? does it get ignored? | 01:08 |
| kelmo_lap | okay: | 01:08 |
| kelmo_lap | wpa-conf | 01:09 |
| kelmo_lap | if that is set to none | 01:09 |
| kelmo_lap | then all stuff must be defined in interfaces stanza | 01:09 |
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| kelmo_lap | if it is set to, /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf | 01:09 |
| kelmo_lap | and that file exists | 01:09 |
| kelmo_lap | and is larger than 0kb | 01:10 |
| kelmo_lap | then we use that, and ignore anything defined in interfaces | 01:10 |
| kelmo_lap | apart from wpa-driver | 01:10 |
| kelmo_lap | which is mandatory | 01:10 |
| kelmo_lap | this is just like setting a wep key via a interfaces stanza | 01:11 |
| kelmo_lap | wpa_supplicant is often smart enough to not warrant some settings | 01:11 |
| siretart | hm. I see | 01:11 |
| kelmo_lap | most configs will require just ssid, driver + psk | 01:11 |
| siretart | my config requires an identity, and a password | 01:12 |
| kelmo_lap | yes | 01:12 |
| kelmo_lap | you can see i added them, but commented out for now | 01:12 |
| siretart | my other config requires a certificate, (but I count that as more complex setup) | 01:12 |
| kelmo_lap | well, these things can all be tested | 01:12 |
| kelmo_lap | i am sure even more advanced setups can be catered for | 01:13 |
| siretart | can we assume wpa-conf set to 'none' by default? | 01:13 |
| kelmo_lap | hmm | 01:13 |
| siretart | I'd like to minimize the required options in /e/n/i | 01:13 |
| kelmo_lap | okay, sec. let me think about a compromise | 01:13 |
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| siretart | right. I'm talking about sane defaults only | 01:14 |
| kelmo_lap | this is about flexibility, not minimisation, at least from my POV | 01:15 |
| kelmo_lap | but you raise a good point | 01:15 |
| kelmo_lap | it *should* be handled differently | 01:15 |
| kelmo_lap | mm | 01:16 |
| kelmo_lap | i do honestly believe i have set a sane tunable though | 01:17 |
| kelmo_lap | either you have a .conf file or not ; ) | 01:17 |
| siretart | yes | 01:18 |
| siretart | I'm thinking about upgrade paths | 01:18 |
| siretart | IIUC, you suggest that in future, we don't supply a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf anymore by default | 01:18 |
| kelmo_lap | that would definately be possible | 01:18 |
| kelmo_lap | and cleaner too | 01:19 |
| siretart | but I expect most (if not all) users to have modified it, so dpkg detects admin local changes, and preserves it | 01:19 |
| siretart | in this use case, we have to think about what is expected to happen. | 01:19 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: I like your scripts. would you like to import it in our experimental branch? | 01:20 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, yep, i will do so some time soon | 01:21 |
| kelmo_lap | first i'd like to add as many wpa_cli variables may brain can handle for one night ; ) | 01:21 |
| siretart | :) | 01:22 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, so any suggested changes from your quick glance? | 01:22 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: apart from the issue with /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, none here (yet) :) | 01:23 |
| kelmo_lap | okay, will think about that | 01:23 |
| kelmo_lap | but i'd like to be able to supply a configuration file | 01:24 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: How about dropping line 26 and 27? | 01:24 |
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| kelmo_lap | err | 01:24 |
| kelmo_lap | they are two very important lines, imho | 01:24 |
| siretart | I'm thinking about what should happen if the admin does not suppliy a wpa-conf line | 01:25 |
| siretart | err, not dropping | 01:25 |
| siretart | argl. /me tired | 01:25 |
| siretart | I meant this branch should be executed if the admin did not specify a wpa-conf line | 01:25 |
| kelmo_lap | yes | 01:26 |
| kelmo_lap | indeed | 01:26 |
| siretart | this means changing it to an else, not dropping them completely | 01:26 |
| kelmo_lap | no, iirc | 01:26 |
| kelmo_lap | we dont want wpa_supplicant binding the interface when the admin has not asked to use it ; ) | 01:27 |
| siretart | aaah, you need some indication if this should be handled via our hooks at all | 01:28 |
| siretart | now I get it | 01:28 |
| kelmo_lap | yes, or else we will execute some unwanted commands | 01:28 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: how about renaming it from 'none' to 'auto'? | 01:28 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: to indicate that the user uses the 'autoconfiguration' mode | 01:28 |
| kelmo_lap | that is slightly misleading nomenclature, but i get the idea | 01:28 |
| kelmo_lap | "auto" usually denotes "nothing else required" | 01:29 |
| siretart | I see | 01:29 |
| siretart | how about 'managed' then? | 01:29 |
| siretart | or is this misleading as well? | 01:29 |
| kelmo_lap | not at all ; ) | 01:29 |
| siretart | :) | 01:30 |
| kelmo_lap | like i said, we can sanitise input will small "case" blocks | 01:30 |
| kelmo_lap | case $IF_WPA_CONF in; none|managed) . . . | 01:30 |
| siretart | right | 01:32 |
| kelmo_lap | same for case sensitive material | 01:33 |
| kelmo_lap | like RSN, WPA-PSK | 01:33 |
| kelmo_lap | we can allow rsn, wpa2 etc . . | 01:33 |
| siretart | lets check it into svn and play with it a bit. :) | 01:35 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: btw, have you seen the request for compiling wpa_supplicant with madwifi-ng headers? | 01:35 |
| kelmo_lap | that is obsurd, i am maintainer of madwifi in debian | 01:36 |
| kelmo_lap | along with Loic | 01:36 |
| kelmo_lap | and am also upstream developer/supporter of madwifi | 01:36 |
| kelmo_lap | when madwifi-ng is ready for common use, it will be advertised ; ) | 01:37 |
| siretart | I'm forwarding Svens patch to our list | 01:37 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: but madwifi-dev is in non-free | 01:37 |
| kelmo_lap | siretart, i never intended to use madwifi-dev | 01:37 |
| kelmo_lap | what does that have to do with anything? | 01:38 |
| siretart | thats debian bug #354388 | 01:38 |
| Ubugtu | debian bug 354388 in wpasupplicant "please recompile with madwifi-dev" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/354388 | 01:38 |
| kelmo_lap | yes, that situation is sad | 01:39 |
| kelmo_lap | but unavoidable | 01:40 |
| siretart | hmm. his patch is too big for the mailing list :/ it is stuck in the moderation queue | 01:40 |
| kelmo_lap | when madwifi-ng is stable, i'll prepare and submit the dpatch for wpasupplicant | 01:41 |
| kelmo_lap | that is no problem | 01:41 |
| kelmo_lap | but first we (madwifi) would like to close a few outstanding issues, and not to forget the imminent name change (madwifi-ng => madwifi) | 01:41 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: sven already prepared a dpatch, I just forwarded it to the bts | 01:42 |
| kelmo_lap | sure, but what happens when madwifi-ng decides to patch one of the files included in the dpatch (like just last wek) | 01:42 |
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| kelmo_lap | week* | 01:43 |
| janimo | ping nomed, Gloubiboulga | 01:43 |
| kelmo_lap | madwifi-ng is volatile ; ) | 01:43 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi janimo | 01:43 |
| nomed | janimo, pong | 01:43 |
| janimo | hi Gauvain | 01:43 |
| janimo | hi Daniele | 01:43 |
| janimo | Gauvain, can you please add the current dapper patch to battery? | 01:44 |
| janimo | or is it already there? | 01:44 |
| kelmo_lap | hi fella's, apologies for flooding the #chan ; ) | 01:44 |
| janimo | I remember commiting that to alioth | 01:44 |
| Gloubiboulga | the patch ? | 01:44 |
| janimo | it's just that it doesn't detect when on battery | 01:44 |
| janimo | always says online | 01:44 |
| janimo | I patched libacpi in there a while ago | 01:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | I think the patch is still in the package | 01:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | I check | 01:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | nop, it's not... | 01:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'll add it | 01:45 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: or I can just do that since I downloaded | 01:45 |
| janimo | as you wish | 01:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | I can do it janimo | 01:46 |
| janimo | Daniele, is it clear regarding the libexec path? | 01:46 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: thanks | 01:46 |
| nomed | janimo, trying to read the mail .. | 01:46 |
| nomed | but google oops all the time :/ | 01:46 |
| janimo | nomed, external plugins put directly under /usr/llib | 01:47 |
| janimo | others unedr /usr/lib/xfce4/panel | 01:47 |
| janimo | so you don;t need to specify libexec for the plugins they know where to put themselves | 01:47 |
| nomed | janimo, k | 01:47 |
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| nomed | so external plugins go in | 01:47 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: read your pre-up/down script. One suggestion s/wpa-conf none/wpa-configfile ignore/ | 01:47 |
| janimo | it clutters /usr/lib imho but debian policy says that;s where libexec is | 01:47 |
| nomed | /usr/lib/<plgin name>/xfce/panel-plugins | 01:48 |
| kelmo_lap | allee, hmm, also a good suggestion, thanks | 01:48 |
| nomed | even if it's really ugly | 01:48 |
| janimo | nomed, yes. just install cpugraph mailwatch or whichever external one and see where it put itself | 01:48 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: Just brainstroming: One advantage of a config file is that wpa_supplicant chosen between network setup on the fly. | 01:49 |
| nomed | janimo, if it's fine so .. i just don't need to specify libexec opt :) | 01:49 |
| allee | with your wpa_cli way one need several stanzas and map stuff and actively select between setups | 01:49 |
| kelmo_lap | allee, yes, indeed. that is why we must cater for simple + advanced setups | 01:49 |
| janimo | nomed, exactly cdbs makes it really easy | 01:49 |
| nomed | janimo, there is an issue i think on verve-plugin | 01:50 |
| nomed | it adds xfce4-panel | 01:50 |
| janimo | and don;t forget the gettext domain, look at minicmd from Gauvain for an example if you did not yet | 01:50 |
| janimo | nomed, adds? | 01:50 |
| nomed | yep | 01:50 |
| janimo | what do you mean adds xfce4-panel? to what? where? :) | 01:50 |
| nomed | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} | 01:51 |
| kelmo_lap | allee, there needs to be more consideration of course, i have some thoughts in mind . . . | 01:51 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: I imagine that wpa_supplicant is like ifplugd for ethernet. When link goes up (wpasuppl found a fiting wlan or lan cable blugged in. ifup is fired up) | 01:51 |
| kelmo_lap | no | 01:51 |
| janimo | to that line, or gets put in there automatically as if it was a shlib | 01:51 |
| nomed | if i specify xfce4-panel (>= 4.3) i get two entries .. | 01:51 |
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| janimo | delete xfce4-panel then if it still works | 01:51 |
| kelmo_lap | a wpa_supplicant bound interface is _always_ up | 01:51 |
| janimo | I saw that too in some otherplugins | 01:52 |
| nomed | janimo, k | 01:52 |
| janimo | it is inoffensive if a bit unecessary | 01:52 |
| kelmo_lap | just not configured with nework settings | 01:52 |
| kelmo_lap | if it is "downed", then wpaa_supplicant bails out | 01:52 |
| kelmo_lap | so it needs special attention | 01:52 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: yes it's up, I use 'up' here. the is a connection to another end that can be used to transmit IP | 01:52 |
| siretart | allee: kelmo_lap: I'm answering/discussing exactly this topic right now in a post to pkg-wpa-devel. | 01:53 |
| siretart | allee: perhaps you might want to subscribe that mailing list? | 01:53 |
| allee | siretart: subscribe URL? | 01:53 |
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| Gloubiboulga | janimo, do we need to add some stuff in the POT files? | 01:54 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: I talked to Martin Pitt and he said that those need to be uptodate | 01:54 |
| kelmo_lap | allee, are you aware of a so called "wpa_cli action script"? | 01:54 |
| janimo | but honestly I don;t know what is meant by that in our case | 01:54 |
| janimo | I suppose some strings from .desktop need to be there | 01:54 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: yeah, saw it in manpage. But right now I've used only the configfile with several networks | 01:54 |
| siretart | allee: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-wpa-devel | 01:55 |
| janimo | but that can happen separately from this later if needed | 01:55 |
| Gloubiboulga | I can't help you on that janimo :( | 01:55 |
| allee | siretart: thx, subscribing ... | 01:55 |
| kelmo_lap | sure, and different ntworks require different settings | 01:55 |
| kelmo_lap | networks* | 01:55 |
| janimo | Gloubiboulga: I am reading gettext docs too at the moment :) | 01:55 |
| kelmo_lap | allee, i am just thinking how wpa_supplicant can best be leveraged by out networking scripts | 01:58 |
| kelmo_lap | our* | 01:58 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: one one hand I like your script. At first wpa_supplicant stuff was so totally different. After understanding the autoselect of network, I liked it more than this interfaces map crap (<- IMHO ;) | 01:58 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: Yes, I'm fighting right now with the same problem :) | 01:58 |
| kelmo_lap | this is my best idea yet! but i am open to better ones ; ) | 01:59 |
| kelmo_lap | the daemon sucks a bit | 01:59 |
| kelmo_lap | and the ifup scripts that start the daemon suffer from the same limitations imho | 01:59 |
| siretart | Perhaps we should support both approaches in different modes of operation | 02:00 |
| siretart | see my post to pkg-wpa-devel | 02:00 |
| siretart | (just sent) | 02:00 |
| kelmo_lap | sure | 02:01 |
| kelmo_lap | well, have we explored just what the interfaces file is capable of? | 02:04 |
| kelmo_lap | can't you execute wpa_supplicant, by using these ifupdown hooks, set a dummy static ip on the $IFACE, and use ifplugd anyway? | 02:04 |
| kelmo_lap | or provide an action script that somehow refers ifup to an externally, network specific block of network settings? | 02:05 |
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| kelmo_lap | ifup --interfaces=FILE possibly? | 02:06 |
| kelmo_lap | just throwing out ideas here . . . | 02:06 |
| kelmo_lap | these would be executed on association, deassociation events reported by a wpa_cli daemon | 02:07 |
| kelmo_lap | but that is a pipe dream right now ; ) | 02:07 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: you are mixing concepts here | 02:15 |
| siretart | kelmo_lap: the way wpasupplicant/ifplugd/ifupdown is used by the OP is imo very hackish | 02:16 |
| kelmo_lap | yes | 02:16 |
| siretart | ifplugd is a daemon to detect if there is a connection at layer2 (well, if the cable is plugged it, in fact) at all | 02:17 |
| siretart | if it detects presence, it fires up the interface | 02:17 |
| siretart | the hack in here is that the interface already has to be up for wpasupplicant to work | 02:18 |
| siretart | I'd rather say that his whole concept rather happens to work | 02:18 |
| kelmo_lap | so what have i confused? | 02:19 |
| siretart | I don't think that we should encourage such strange usage | 02:21 |
| kelmo_lap | wpa_cli action script is what i would offer as an alternative to those hacks | 02:22 |
| kelmo_lap | that was the point of my rant | 02:22 |
| siretart | hm. I have to think about in what way an action script can help here | 02:23 |
| kelmo_lap | it allows "true" roaming, all via wpa_supplicant | 02:23 |
| kelmo_lap | & wpa_cli | 02:23 |
| siretart | so you place a trigger for each essid | 02:24 |
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| siretart | when entering essid X, then do these commands to authenticate properly | 02:24 |
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| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga | 02:25 |
| kelmo_lap | well, authentication *is* the trigger | 02:25 |
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| Toadstool | hi MOTUs | 02:26 |
| siretart | I think I didn't get how to use an action script then yet | 02:26 |
| Gloubiboulga | G0SUB, yep? | 02:26 |
| kelmo_lap | just network settings are required | 02:26 |
| kelmo_lap | to use the net | 02:26 |
| kelmo_lap | ie: | 02:26 |
| kelmo_lap | net A uses dhcp | 02:26 |
| G0SUB | Gloubiboulga nothing, just greeted you | 02:26 |
| kelmo_lap | net B requires a fixed ip | 02:26 |
| Gloubiboulga | oh, ok G0SUB : | 02:27 |
| Gloubiboulga | :) | 02:27 |
| kelmo_lap | you move from the field of association of net A to net B | 02:27 |
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| kelmo_lap | okay, i had better correct the misinformation on that "please include madwifi-ng headers bug" | 02:30 |
| allee | siretart: if don't use ifplugd with wifi, but for ethernet, it's a great thing. starting dhclient on startup is a hack. ifplugd is the right solution. | 02:35 |
| siretart | allee: ifplugd is the right solution for ethernet only. I rather happens to work with wifi interfaces as well | 02:36 |
| allee | siretart: for wlan I would like that wpasupplicant does the same. When it find a fitting network (aka link up in ethernet) then fire up ifup | 02:36 |
| siretart | allee: you want a roaming/profile manager, like networkmanager is | 02:37 |
| kelmo_lap | allee, but wifi needs to already "up", just not configured to sense the network | 02:37 |
| allee | siretart: s/want/need/ ^^ ;) | 02:37 |
| siretart | allee: I think this is a bit out of scope of wpasupplicant. I could think about some roaming/profile manager which works without the gnome dependencies. | 02:38 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: with static ip the interface is also up, even when link is not up (aka no cable connected) | 02:38 |
| siretart | allee: or perhaps someone manages to port nm-applet as a plain textui application. that would rock | 02:38 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: interface up and link up are different things | 02:38 |
| allee | ifplugd check link up, not interface up (Maybe that's the reason why ifplug works with wpa_supplicant too, have not tried this) | 02:39 |
| kelmo_lap | then i cannot explain the difference i see between ethernet and wireless that is fit enough for us both to uderstand ; ) | 02:40 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: which difference do you see? | 02:41 |
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| kelmo_lap | i'm afraid it is past my time to be making any more sense tonight, i'm shagged | 02:42 |
| allee | 'k np :) | 02:43 |
| kelmo_lap | http://rafb.net/paste/results/nwqOnf26.html | 02:43 |
| kelmo_lap | that takes into accoun the changes suggested to the wpa-conf part | 02:43 |
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| kelmo_lap | as for the overall concept, it seems that is still up for debate | 02:44 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: by on my TODO for today is too try WEP and open Wifi with wpa_supplicant. You know if this is supported? | 02:44 |
| kelmo_lap | yes, it is | 02:45 |
| kelmo_lap | key_mgmt=NONE | 02:45 |
| allee | good. | 02:45 |
| kelmo_lap | its all in the example files provided by upstream | 02:45 |
| kelmo_lap | however, i really hate how that is active by default | 02:46 |
| kelmo_lap | ssid=any, without priority | 02:46 |
| kelmo_lap | (in default configuration file installed by debian package) | 02:46 |
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| allee | kelmo_lap: wpa-conf = none|managed|ignore sounds like no config used. wpa-use-conffile yes|no|on|off maybe describes better what it does, | 02:57 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: + a wpa-conffile (with default /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf) ?? | 02:58 |
| kelmo_lap | no defaults, either the path to the file is correct, or not at all | 02:59 |
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| allee | kelmo_lap: yes, of course! I meant default when not given ;) # I better write what I thought :( | 03:00 |
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| allee | kelmo_lap: one more suggestion. Add a test if a default route is defined. If yes ifdown it (until we can ask use via dbus). | 03:10 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: mhmm, ethernet needs it too. so wifi is shut down when I plug in the netcable. | 03:11 |
| kelmo_lap | allee, please, can you translate that into code form? my brain is a bit tired right now ; ) (and i must take care of a few other things, like feeding one's self) | 03:11 |
| kelmo_lap | i'll get it into svn, than anyone can goto town on it | 03:12 |
| allee | kelmo_lap: I'll try, but I just realized that one need to handle interface start with ifup eth0=my-setup | 03:12 |
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| kelmo_lap | siretart, btw, upstream wpa_supplicant's Makefile need not be patched at all to include madwifi's headers | 03:20 |
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| gouchi | Hi | 04:03 |
| gouchi | why speedtouch package has been removed on Dapper ? | 04:04 |
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| dholbach | hub: i get the "open file dialog crash on amd64" too - doing a debug build | 04:57 |
| dholbach | hub: (abiword) | 04:58 |
| hub | dholbach: yeah. I don't because I don't have an amd64 | 04:59 |
| hub | sorry about that | 04:59 |
| dholbach | hub: i get a debug bt | 04:59 |
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| dholbach | hub: it FTBFS | 05:12 |
| hub | *sigh* | 05:13 |
| hub | dholbach: build log? | 05:13 |
| dholbach | hub: shall i attach the relevant part of the build log to the bug? | 05:13 |
| hub | dholbach: please | 05:13 |
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| dholbach | bug 32780 | 05:13 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 32780 in nautilus "Dead links in trash cannot be deleted" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32780 | 05:13 |
| dholbach | oops wrong one | 05:13 |
| dholbach | bug 32870 | 05:13 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 32870 in abiword abiword-gnome "Abiword crashes when opening a file" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32870 | 05:13 |
| hub | dholbach: that bug is a know bug | 05:21 |
| hub | dholbach: it is because of poppler | 05:22 |
| hub | dholbach: they change the API once again | 05:22 |
| hub | dholbach: CVS is up to date on that, at least in HEAD | 05:22 |
| hub | patch is quite trivial | 05:22 |
| dholbach | hub: ah nice | 05:22 |
| dholbach | hub: you have a viewcvs somewhere? | 05:24 |
| hub | yep | 05:24 |
| hub | http://www.abisource.com/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/ | 05:24 |
| dholbach | http://www.abisource.com/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/ ? ;-p | 05:25 |
| hub | ??? | 05:25 |
| dholbach | just kdding :) | 05:25 |
| hub | http://www.abisource.com/viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/abiword-plugins/ | 05:25 |
| dholbach | yeah | 05:25 |
| dholbach | i'm on it | 05:25 |
| dholbach | was just making fun of the repetition in "viewcvs/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/" | 05:25 |
| hub | yeah | 05:26 |
| hub | well I didn't install it | 05:26 |
| dholbach | nevermind :) | 05:26 |
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| dholbach | hub: either viewcvs is lying or I'm too stupid - the newest changes in abiword-plugins/wp/impexp/pdf/xp are 11 months old (in HEAD) | 05:32 |
| dholbach | ah no | 05:32 |
| dholbach | sorry | 05:32 |
| dholbach | i'm too stupid so ;) | 05:33 |
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| dholbach | hub: merci beaucoup | 05:36 |
| hub | bienvenue | 05:37 |
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| dholbach | hub: attached an amd64 debug backtrace on bug 32870 | 06:10 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 32870 in abiword abiword-gnome "Abiword crashes when opening a file (on AMD64)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32870 | 06:10 |
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| netzmeister | re | 06:46 |
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| dolson | hey LaserJock | 06:47 |
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| LaserJock | hi dolson | 06:48 |
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| LaserJock | hi G0SUB and fredix | 06:54 |
| G0SUB | LaserJock :) | 06:54 |
| fredix | hi LaserJock | 06:55 |
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| dholbach | have a nice evening | 06:59 |
| Gloubiboulga | cu dholbach | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | hi dholbach | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | bye dholbach | 07:00 |
| dolson | cya dholbach | 07:09 |
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| netzmeister | hi | 07:21 |
| netzmeister | how is the naming scheme for manpages in the debian dir..? | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | <programname>.<section> | 07:22 |
| netzmeister | "codeblocks.devel" | 07:24 |
| netzmeister | ? | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | no | 07:24 |
| netzmeister | :( | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | section is what section of man | 07:25 |
| netzmeister | ah okay.. | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | do you have any of the .ex files from dh_make? | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | nm, look at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-manpage | 07:26 |
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| netzmeister | LaserJock: my manpages are "codeblocks.1" and "code_runner.1" | 07:28 |
| netzmeister | but he did not compile them.. | 07:28 |
| netzmeister | in the deb... | 07:28 |
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| LaserJock | netzmeister: do you have dh_manpages in your debian/rules | 07:30 |
| netzmeister | LaserJock: "dh_installman" | 07:31 |
| netzmeister | is that wring? | 07:31 |
| netzmeister | wrong | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | no, that is ok, do you have codeblocks.manpages in debian/ ? | 07:33 |
| netzmeister | codeblocks.1 | 07:33 |
| netzmeister | yes | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | no | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | you want a file called "codeblocks.manpages" in debian/ | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | it lists the location of you man page | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | man dh_installman | 07:34 |
| netzmeister | k | 07:34 |
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| Xoritor | hello everyone | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | hi Xoritor | 07:45 |
| Xoritor | i am going to be asking some package building questions... hope this is the right place | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | go for it | 07:45 |
| Xoritor | i am hoping to update the prelude stuff and build some snort+prelude | 07:46 |
| Xoritor | as well as add the preludedb stuff | 07:46 |
| Xoritor | and provide preludedb+msql and preludedb+postgresql | 07:46 |
| Xoritor | and some samhain+prelude packages | 07:46 |
| Xoritor | my first question is: | 07:46 |
| Xoritor | when using dpkg-buildpackage is there a different pathing/ld.so.conf/env ? | 07:47 |
| Xoritor | what is the prefered method of building packages from source trees? | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | from original source? | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | dh_make helps | 07:48 |
| Xoritor | i looked on the wikki/fourms/website (devel section) and saw several diff options but nothing coherent | 07:48 |
| Xoritor | dh_make helped a TON | 07:48 |
| Xoritor | yes from original sources | 07:48 |
| Xoritor | oh... and im building them for dapper x86 and x86_64 | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | ok, so where are you having the problem? | 07:49 |
| Xoritor | hope to have them "ready to ship" by dapper ship date | 07:49 |
| Xoritor | dpkg-buildpackage errors out where ./configure && make does not | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | ah, ok | 07:50 |
| Xoritor | i did notice that dpkg-buildpackage sees 486 where ./configure sees 686 | 07:50 |
| Xoritor | is checkinstall a good method or a bad method for supportable packages? | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | so what is the error? if it is more than a line or two you can use pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | bad | 07:51 |
| Xoritor | oh and im doing this in a chroot | 07:51 |
| Xoritor | LaserJock, thats what i thought | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | we try to discourage checkinstall if you want to distribute your .debs at all | 07:51 |
| Xoritor | can i paste in here? | 07:51 |
| Xoritor | should i use a pastebin | 07:51 |
| Xoritor | its not very long | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | if it is short | 07:51 |
| Xoritor | 2 lines... maybe 3 | 07:52 |
| netzmeister | LaserJock: Thx, it works.. ahh btw. congratulation. I read the TB report. :-) | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | netzmeister: thanks | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: go for it | 07:52 |
| Xoritor | .libs/prelude-client.o: In function `prelude_client_init':/root/build/libprelude-0.9.5/src/prelude-client.c:158: undefined reference to `gcry_md_hash_buffer' | 07:52 |
| Xoritor | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 07:52 |
| Xoritor | thats the error that returns with dpkg-buildpackage | 07:52 |
| Xoritor | that does not happen with ./configure && make | 07:53 |
| Xoritor | same chroot | 07:53 |
| Xoritor | same source tree | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | hmm, wonder if it is the optimizations buildpackage uses | 07:53 |
| Xoritor | hmm | 07:53 |
| Xoritor | how can i see those | 07:53 |
| Xoritor | im new to .debs | 07:53 |
| Xoritor | :-/ | 07:53 |
| Xoritor | sorry if i ask n00b questions | 07:53 |
| Xoritor | i worked for Red Hat for the last 3 years so i am more familiar with .rpms | 07:54 |
| Xoritor | and any "reference" material would be helpful | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | umm, I'm not entirely certain what is default but you can set the CFLAGS in debian/rules | 07:54 |
| Xoritor | aaah | 07:55 |
| Xoritor | cool | 07:55 |
| Xoritor | im going to start it all over from scratch again... so i may be in and out | 07:55 |
| Xoritor | not sure if i want to start with a new chroot | 07:56 |
| Xoritor | or not | 07:56 |
| Xoritor | and what is pbuilder? | 07:56 |
| Xoritor | is that just for rebuilding .debs? | 07:56 |
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| LaserJock | pbuilder will build the .debs in a chroot | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | a clean chroot | 07:56 |
| Xoritor | thats what i thought | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | so you can make sure you have the dependencies right | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | it is pretty standard for us | 07:57 |
| Xoritor | i think i am going to blow away my chroot and make sure the deps are correct | 07:57 |
| Xoritor | i want to make 100% sure | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: I'd check out http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-rules and http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.1 | 07:57 |
| Xoritor | its soooo easy to build with the debootstrap... | 07:57 |
| Xoritor | man | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: you could just build a pbuilder within your chroot | 07:58 |
| Xoritor | i have that now... | 07:58 |
| Xoritor | but pbuilder wont work with source trees right? | 07:58 |
| Xoritor | only .debs | 07:58 |
| Xoritor | ? | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | umm, you use pbuilder to build the .debs from the source package | 07:59 |
| Xoritor | oh... | 07:59 |
| azeem | there's pdebuild which is probably being run from the source tree | 07:59 |
| Xoritor | let me read the man again and ask some senseable questions | 07:59 |
| Xoritor | heh | 07:59 |
| Xoritor | bbiab (with more knowlege) | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | np | 08:00 |
| Xoritor | err | 08:00 |
| Xoritor | s/ knowlege/ knowledge | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | hi azeem, thanks for the upload btw. | 08:00 |
| azeem | cheers | 08:01 |
| azeem | you were lucky my ThinkPad was up when I got the mail, it's mostly broken right now :-/ | 08:01 |
| bmonty | Xoritor: you can start pbuilder from inside the source tree, use "pdebuild" | 08:01 |
| azeem | I should get the GPG key off it to my crappy old notebook to be a bit more productive | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | azeem: ouch | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | azeem: I'm trying to work from OSX these days. Makes it a bit more difficult :( | 08:03 |
| azeem | :-/ | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | but I've got a Debian sarg box set up with a dapper chroot so.. | 08:04 |
| Xoritor | hmm | 08:12 |
| Xoritor | so how do i add a package to the pbuilder chroot so it can "satisfy" the deps? | 08:13 |
| azeem | what is unsatisfied? | 08:13 |
| Xoritor | gnutls | 08:13 |
| Xoritor | probably gnutls-dev | 08:13 |
| azeem | so you Build-Depend on gnutls-dev, and pbuilder cannot install that? | 08:14 |
| Xoritor | it was on gnutls... prolly just needed the -dev part | 08:14 |
| Xoritor | :-/ | 08:14 |
| Xoritor | im a moron sometimes | 08:14 |
| azeem | "it was"? | 08:14 |
| azeem | I am not quite sure what you are trying to do | 08:14 |
| azeem | did you run pbuilder and/or pdebuild and got an error message | 08:14 |
| azeem | ? | 08:14 |
| Xoritor | the Build-Depend part had gnutls not gnutls-dev | 08:15 |
| azeem | ok | 08:15 |
| Xoritor | pdebuild and it said it could not find gnutls | 08:15 |
| azeem | of course, gnutls-dev does not exist eitehr | 08:15 |
| azeem | either | 08:15 |
| Xoritor | cause its not gnutls its libgnutls-dev or libgnutls12 | 08:16 |
| Xoritor | sheesh... not enough caffine i think ;-) | 08:16 |
| Xoritor | azeem, sorry im a PITA, and thx for the prod | 08:16 |
| azeem | no problem | 08:16 |
| Xoritor | sometimes i think i should be hit with a cattle prod | 08:16 |
| Xoritor | i was up till 3 am watching defensive driving videos and taking those online exams | 08:17 |
| Xoritor | :-/ | 08:17 |
| Xoritor | so my attention is not all here yet | 08:17 |
| Xoritor | to "clean up" and "start over" i can just remove the files that are not my source tree right? | 08:29 |
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| LaserJock | Xoritor: well, you could just get rid of the source and re-untar the source tarball. does that make sense? | 08:30 |
| Xoritor | yea | 08:30 |
| Xoritor | but the sources are really compiled in the source tree right? | 08:30 |
| Xoritor | they are moved into the chroot and compiled | 08:31 |
| Xoritor | or does it effect the chroot and compile in the source tree? | 08:31 |
| Xoritor | well it errored out anyways | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | woah, I'm not following you. Can you explain what your doing exactly? | 08:32 |
| Xoritor | heh | 08:33 |
| Xoritor | in the source tree i used the pdebuild command | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | k | 08:33 |
| azeem | pdebuild probably just makes a source package for you and builds that in the chroot | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | azeem: right | 08:33 |
| Xoritor | if i want to "compile again" i can just remove the files that are ../<packagename>_<version>.* | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | right? | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | or do i need to do it _all_ from scratch again? | 08:34 |
| azeem | just rerun pdebuild, I'd say | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | oh? | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | really? | 08:34 |
| Xoritor | hmm | 08:34 |
| azeem | this is pbuilder, you will need to rerun | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: you're making it too hard on yourself ;-) | 08:36 |
| Xoritor | LaserJock, like i said i come from the .rpm world ;-) | 08:37 |
| Xoritor | hahahahaha | 08:37 |
| Xoritor | with .rpm if its not hard, it does not work | 08:37 |
| Xoritor | heh | 08:37 |
| Xoritor | but so far i am loving what i find | 08:38 |
| Xoritor | once i wrap my head around it | 08:38 |
| Xoritor | and thank you both for the help | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | hmm, people usually say that .debs are harder than .rpms. I've never done an .rpm so I don't know. | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: np | 08:39 |
| Xoritor | if you have ever hand written a spec file you will not say that | 08:39 |
| Xoritor | they are HORRID | 08:39 |
| trappist | I have, and I still think specs are easier | 08:39 |
| trappist | they're both nightmares | 08:39 |
| Xoritor | trappist, agreed on the last statement | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | can't make it too easy ;-) | 08:40 |
| trappist | yeah there's definitely a limit on that | 08:40 |
| trappist | I think more of it could probably be automated | 08:40 |
| Xoritor | this is much more automated than hand writing a spec | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | some of the problem is that it is that there are a few different ways of doing each task | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | it is an individual thing | 08:41 |
| trappist | yeah. I just recently heard of debuild, when I've been using dpkg-buildpackage like a chump. | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | I started out on debuild. I've never used dpkg-buildpackage directly | 08:42 |
| Xoritor | one of my buddies is looking for a good version control system... any recomendations | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | we use bzr quite a bit here | 08:42 |
| Xoritor | he has lots of binaries to store and does not want them to be "new copies" | 08:42 |
| trappist | Xoritor: svn | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | but it is fairly new | 08:42 |
| Xoritor | trappist, svn they ruled out for some reason | 08:43 |
| trappist | I can't imagine | 08:43 |
| trappist | I love it | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I either use svn or bzr | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | but I don't do much | 08:43 |
| trappist | makes cvs look ghetto | 08:43 |
| Xoritor | lol | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | lol | 08:43 |
| Xoritor | i like svn more than cvs myself | 08:44 |
| Xoritor | never used bzr | 08:44 |
| trappist | oh, bzr is distributed | 08:45 |
| trappist | so it's more like git than svn? | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I believe so | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | http://bazaar-vcs.org/ is the place to check it out I think | 08:46 |
| trappist | google thought launchpad was the place to go | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | not really if you want very much info | 08:46 |
| Xoritor | any tools that do binary diff? | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | but bzr is used a lot in anything Ubuntu because it is supported by Canonical and seems to be one of Mark's pet projects | 08:47 |
| Xoritor | hehehe | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | it's written in python after all ;-) | 08:48 |
| Xoritor | i guess my build deps are not right... or my arch does not work correctly | 08:48 |
| Xoritor | still errors out | 08:48 |
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| LaserJock | Xoritor: the FAQ at the site I said above has a question about Binary files | 08:49 |
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| Xoritor | yea i looked it says it stores them but not as diffs (i dont know why they need binary diffs) | 08:50 |
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| sanpera | can anybody tell me the proper way to submit a patch against a universe package? | 09:02 |
| sanpera | should i just create a bug and attach the debdiff? | 09:03 |
| sanpera | in malone? | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:04 |
| sanpera | thank you! | 09:04 |
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| Xoritor | how can i change the "arch" pdebuild builds for? | 09:05 |
| Xoritor | Architecture: any | 09:07 |
| Xoritor | change that in the rules? | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | no | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | man pbuilder gives --binary-arch | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | perhaps that might help | 09:08 |
| Xoritor | hmm | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | I've never done it so I'm not sure | 09:08 |
| Xoritor | odd that it will build for 686 and not 486... maybe there is something else i am missing | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | what arch's do you want to use? | 09:10 |
| Xoritor | well... 686 is fine | 09:10 |
| Xoritor | i dont have any need of 486 or 386 really | 09:11 |
| Xoritor | but if i want to submit it for others it needs to be built for them right? | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | umm, wouldn't you just do i386? | 09:11 |
| Xoritor | yea | 09:12 |
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| Xoritor | but it says its builing for 486 (i dunno why) | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | what does the name of the .deb say? | 09:13 |
| Xoritor | ./configure finds 686 when used by iteslf | 09:13 |
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| Xoritor | what .deb? | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | the result from pbuilder | 09:13 |
| Xoritor | i dont have a .deb | 09:13 |
| Xoritor | it dies | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | ok | 09:14 |
| Xoritor | it errors out | 09:14 |
| Xoritor | but the ./configure && make does not | 09:14 |
| Xoritor | the only diff i see from me running ./configure && make and pdebuilder is the arch | 09:14 |
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| LaserJock | ok, so did you try different CFLAGS? | 09:15 |
| Xoritor | using the same CFLAGS i think | 09:15 |
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| plugwash | didn't debian scrap i386 support some time ago? | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't know what they are actually but the arch is i386 | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | seems it is wanting to do 486 for Xoritor | 09:22 |
| Xoritor | when you compile something what do these 2 lines look like for you? | 09:22 |
| Xoritor | checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu | 09:23 |
| Xoritor | checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu | 09:23 |
| Xoritor | checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu | 09:23 |
| Xoritor | err.. 3 lines | 09:23 |
| Xoritor | ;-) | 09:23 |
| Xoritor | thats what i get from ./configure | 09:23 |
| azeem | that looks right | 09:23 |
| Xoritor | but when i do the pdebuild it says i486-pc-linux-gnu | 09:24 |
| Xoritor | :-/ | 09:24 |
| Xoritor | and it dies | 09:24 |
| Xoritor | not at ./config but later on | 09:24 |
| azeem | how does it die? | 09:24 |
| Xoritor | i manually put i686-pc-linux-gnu rules this time so maybe that will fix it | 09:25 |
| azeem | is the package passing the system types to configure maybe? | 09:25 |
| Xoritor | it was something about an undefined ref... | 09:25 |
| Xoritor | cant remember exactly | 09:25 |
| Xoritor | .libs/prelude-client.o: In function `prelude_client_init':/root/build/libprelude-0.9.5/src/prelude-client.c:158: undefined reference to `gcry_md_hash_buffer' | 09:25 |
| Xoritor | there it is | 09:25 |
| Xoritor | but that does not happen with ./configure && make | 09:26 |
| Xoritor | it only happens with pdebuild and dpkg-buildpackage | 09:26 |
| Xoritor | and the only diff i have seen is that both pdebuild and dpkg-buildpackage set the arch to 486 instead of 686 | 09:27 |
| Xoritor | ok that was NOT it | 09:27 |
| Xoritor | heh | 09:27 |
| Xoritor | got the same error setting arch to 686 | 09:27 |
| Xoritor | :-/ | 09:27 |
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| Xoritor | maybe i missed a dep someplace | 09:28 |
| bmonty | Xoritor: thats why you use pbuilder, you are missing a build dep :) | 09:28 |
| Xoritor | :-D | 09:28 |
| azeem | gcry_* is from libgcrypt | 09:28 |
| Xoritor | oh heck how did you find that? | 09:28 |
| azeem | I knew it :) | 09:28 |
| azeem | well, I am not 100% sure, but I think it is | 09:29 |
| Xoritor | azeem, the magic man (or woman if your a woman) | 09:29 |
| Xoritor | hahaha | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | Xoritor: that is why you have to have smart people like azeem around | 09:29 |
| Xoritor | added libgcrypt11-dev on and we shall see | 09:30 |
| Xoritor | ;-) | 09:30 |
| Xoritor | anyone ever played with prelude+snort+samhain+mysql ? | 09:31 |
| Xoritor | oh and +snortsam | 09:31 |
| Xoritor | heh | 09:31 |
| Xoritor | adaptive cooperative reporting firewalls | 09:32 |
| Kyral | Hey | 09:32 |
| Kyral | :D | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | hi Kyral | 09:32 |
| Xoritor | hi | 09:33 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: how are classes? | 09:36 |
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| Kyral | LaserJock: ehh Math got better when I stopped taking notes with the Laptop lol | 09:40 |
| Kyral | I'm really considering trying Gentoo's new installer | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | me too | 09:45 |
| Kyral | Maybe on my laptop | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying out Q on my intel iMac right now | 09:49 |
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| Kyral | Q? | 09:49 |
| Xoritor | you know Q... he was the alien on star trek | 09:52 |
| Xoritor | ;-) | 09:52 |
| hub | LaserJock: intel iMac? | 09:52 |
| hub | damn | 09:52 |
| Xoritor | LaserJock, seems to have all the cool toys | 09:52 |
| Xoritor | ;-H | 09:52 |
| hub | if only I had one to port AbiWord to MacOS X | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: Q is cool OSX port of qemu | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | well, it isn't exactly my personal machine, but my boss bought a couple for the lab ;-) | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | I can pretty much do whatever I want with it though | 09:53 |
| hub | LaserJock: you lucky | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | sorta, it has been a bit difficult | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | I can't put Ubuntu on it and fink and darwinports don't work very well | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | and Thunderbird just freezes all the time | 09:55 |
| Xoritor | :-/ | 09:55 |
| hub | LaserJock: well I would only use it for AbiWord MacOS X? | 09:55 |
| hub | LaserJock: I have a PC for Linux | 09:55 |
| hub | and MacMini for MacOS X PPC | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | I do too but I spend ~10 hrs a day on the iMac and ~30min on the Ubuntu box at home | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | so I'm learning to work on Ubuntu from the mac ;-) | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | for instance, I'm trying to see how fast qemu would be on it | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | Flight4 wouldn't install | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | but Breezy worked ok | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | and I'm trying the Gentoo livecd right now | 09:58 |
| Kyral | I need a blank lol | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | blank what? | 09:58 |
| Kyral | CD | 09:59 |
| Kyral | To burn the ISO | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | oh, I don't burn isos anymore ;-) | 09:59 |
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| LaserJock | oh, that's pretty. Those Gentoo guys did a good job on the boot graphics | 10:02 |
| Xoritor | LaserJock, linky? | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | no, I'm just booting it up in qemu | 10:03 |
| Xoritor | oh | 10:03 |
| Xoritor | :-/ | 10:03 |
| Xoritor | i would like to see something pretty | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | how do you take a screenshot in OSX? | 10:03 |
| Xoritor | you dont have to go through that much hassel | 10:04 |
| hub | LaserJock: apple-shift-3 | 10:04 |
| Xoritor | im sure there are some if i get my lazy a$$ to google them | 10:04 |
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| LaserJock | Xoritor: here is a shot once it is booted up http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/gentoo_livecd1.png | 10:08 |
| Xoritor | its pretty | 10:09 |
| Xoritor | thank you | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | that is cool, they have a FAQ, a CLI installer and a GUI installer | 10:11 |
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| marcin` | hello MOTU | 11:14 |
| marcin` | need help - I want to repackage some old package thas is maintained by someone | 11:15 |
| marcin` | but package contains software from 2002 while last upstream is from 2006 | 11:16 |
| marcin` | and I would like to package new upstream, change package scripts (implement CDBS) | 11:16 |
| marcin` | and put into REVU | 11:16 |
| marcin` | my question is - what should I put into 'Maintainer:' field in control file? | 11:17 |
| marcin` | my credentials or current debian maintainer? | 11:17 |
| marcin` | LaserJock: ping | 11:27 |
| netzmeister | pong | 11:27 |
| marcin` | I need some help | 11:27 |
| marcin` | 1. question above - about maintainer credentials... | 11:28 |
| marcin` | could you answer this? | 11:28 |
| azeem | if you repackage from scratch, you're the maintainer | 11:28 |
| marcin` | ok | 11:28 |
| azeem | marcin`: does it matter a lot whether you're in the Maintainer: field? | 11:28 |
| marcin` | then bigger problem | 11:28 |
| marcin` | azeem: not really but I got some custom build script that put my credentials automagically | 11:29 |
| azeem | that seems odd | 11:29 |
| azeem | why are you doing this? | 11:29 |
| marcin` | azeem: so for some other credentials I need to modify them manually and add -k<mykeyid> to package | 11:29 |
| raphink | lol | 11:29 |
| azeem | you edit debian/control's Maintainer: field? | 11:30 |
| azeem | automatically, that is | 11:30 |
| marcin` | no I got set of templates that use @MAINTAINER_NAME@ @MAINTAINER_MAIL@ etc. | 11:30 |
| azeem | for making new packages? | 11:31 |
| marcin` | yup | 11:31 |
| marcin` | anyway now about big problem.... | 11:31 |
| marcin` | raphink: you also could take a look | 11:32 |
| raphink | not right now | 11:32 |
| marcin` | today I realized that libphp-jpgraph is pretty much outdated - 2002 | 11:32 |
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| marcin` | so I started to work on new upstream release | 11:32 |
| marcin` | and then in 'copyright' I found notice form current debian maintainer | 11:33 |
| marcin` | that he didn't upgraded intentionally because new version of jpgraph is on dual license | 11:33 |
| marcin` | QPL 1.0 (Qt Free License) For non-commercial, open-source and educational use | 11:34 |
| marcin` | and JpGraph Professional License for commercial use | 11:34 |
| marcin` | so this is not compliant with DFSG #6 (I'm not sure what is DFSG but this is in that notice) | 11:35 |
| azeem | DFSG are the Debian Free Software Guidelines | 11:35 |
| marcin` | and the problem is ( raphink it's to you also) that this package is available as standalone in 1.5.2 version on GPL | 11:35 |
| marcin` | but is also included in vtigercrm that me and ArmeBosse and raphink and some other guys would like to have in debian/ubuntu | 11:36 |
| azeem | so the new version probably could be put into multiverse | 11:36 |
| azeem | is it that much better that it warrants moving it from universe to multiverse | 11:37 |
| azeem | ? | 11:37 |
| raphink | talking about vtiger marcin`, would you like me to put it on my repo so it's available ? | 11:37 |
| marcin` | and this version included in vtigercrm is not on GPL unfortunately | 11:37 |
| raphink | marcin`: since it won't be in dapper, I can build it for both dapper and breezy and put it on | 11:37 |
| marcin` | I just wanted to remove this from vtiger and set as dependency | 11:37 |
| marcin` | raphink: ok but please wait for a while ok? | 11:38 |
| raphink | sure | 11:38 |
| marcin` | raphink: this package that is in REVU is really nothing special | 11:38 |
| raphink | ok :) | 11:38 |
| marcin` | raphink: I still work pretty hard on this stuff | 11:38 |
| raphink | ok fine :) | 11:38 |
| raphink | take your time to get it well :) | 11:38 |
| marcin` | raphink: and I'll have it ready pretty soon - and with new 4.2.4 version | 11:38 |
| raphink | good | 11:38 |
| marcin` | raphink: sure - but now I don't know what to do with this jpgraph stuf... | 11:39 |
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| marcin` | raphink: if this dual license is not compatible with DFSG then we got a problem | 11:39 |
| raphink | indeed we do | 11:39 |
| marcin` | raphink: I didn't know about this while ArmeBosse prepared copyright and he mentioned QPL only | 11:41 |
| raphink | :( | 11:41 |
| marcin` | raphink: but I started to | 11:41 |
| azeem | maybe Ubuntu considers the QPL fine for universe | 11:41 |
| marcin` | raphink: 'strip' vtiger and remove parts that are already available in debian | 11:41 |
| marcin` | raphink: and set these things as dependency | 11:42 |
| raphink | mhm | 11:42 |
| marcin` | raphink: so I removed adodb directory while everything that is in this dir is in libphp-adodb already | 11:42 |
| marcin` | raphink: and it works perfectly | 11:42 |
| raphink | good :) | 11:42 |
| marcin` | raphink: then I created libphp-log4php (in REVU if you can please take review this package :) ) | 11:43 |
| raphink | well not right now I don't feel like reviewing really :-- | 11:43 |
| raphink | I rather feel like taking a pause actually | 11:43 |
| raphink | while my comp is pbuilding | 11:44 |
| marcin` | raphink: and then I started to repackage this jpgraph and found this problem | 11:45 |
| bmonty | for a package that build-deps on libx11-dev, anyone know what would cause "configure: error: X Window System not found"? | 11:45 |
| azeem | bmonty: some autoconf checks look for libxt for some reason I think | 11:45 |
| marcin` | raphink: with license... anyway about review - no problem... but I need this package to be in universe with vtigercrm | 11:46 |
| azeem | bmonty: if you have the build tree around still, inspect config.log | 11:46 |
| raphink | marcin`: you won't get anything in universe before 2 months so don't worry ;) | 11:46 |
| marcin` | raphink: sure but as you know I work on this package because I use this software comercially | 11:47 |
| raphink | yes | 11:47 |
| bmonty | azeem: thanks, libxt-dev fixed it | 11:48 |
| marcin` | raphink: so I will work on this - but this license issue is pretty important | 11:48 |
| raphink | yes | 11:48 |
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| marcin` | hehhh jpgraph for commercial usage -> 106.25 Euro ;/ | 11:49 |
| raphink | :( | 11:50 |
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| thierry | LaserJock : ok we really need to talk with dev guys to know if we get the terminal apps in the menu, it would save a lot of time to people working on .desktop files | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | thierry: ok, just a sec | 12:02 |
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