| raphink | so they won't work on top of kde built with kdelibs4 right? | 12:03 |
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| Mez | everything that was in dapper would break because it depends on kdelibs4c2 instead of kdelibs4c2a | 12:03 |
| raphink | ok | 12:04 |
| raphink | well I got the point | 12:04 |
| raphink | so every kde app in breezy would have to be rebuilt on top of the new kde libs, which is not doable | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | well, which is an awful lot of work, yeah | 12:05 |
| raphink | well not doable Hobbsee, since we don't want to provide all kde apps as backports ;) | 12:05 |
| Hobbsee | well, yeah | 12:05 |
| raphink | imo | 12:05 |
| Mez | raphink: finally you get it | 12:05 |
| raphink | Mez: sure :) | 12:06 |
| === Hobbsee says that everyone should just upgrade regardless :P when it finally comes otu | ||
| raphink | Hobbsee: hehe | 12:06 |
| === Mez growls | ||
| Hobbsee | what are you growling about Mez? | 12:08 |
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| Hobbsee_away | when did flight 4 come out? | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee_away | does anyone know, off the top of their head? | 12:50 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee_away: well | 12:50 |
| Tm_T | kubuntu.org/announces.php | 12:50 |
| Tm_T | or something like that | 12:50 |
| Tm_T | ;( | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee_away | or ubuntu fridge, yeah | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee_away | how close are we to flight 5? | 12:51 |
| Tm_T | not close I think | 12:52 |
| Tm_T | 2 weeks | 12:52 |
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| Hobbsee_away | hmmm oik | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee_away | might grab a daily cd then | 12:53 |
| Tm_T | yup | 12:53 |
| Tm_T | that's only guess, I have no idea =) | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: 8 mins to go lol... | 01:36 |
| seaLne | to what? | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | 67% done | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | flight 4 | 01:36 |
| seaLne | heh | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | my dapper is nastily borking up, so i'll grab flight 4, rather than reinstalling off flight1 | 01:37 |
| seaLne | i still can't logout without it hanging | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | ugh | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | i havent had that | 01:37 |
| seaLne | but it seems to save the session | 01:37 |
| seaLne | i end up with no apps or kicker but i cna still move the mouse | 01:38 |
| seaLne | and there were no no kde appr running before i tried to loggout | 01:38 |
| seaLne | non kde | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | 97%... | 01:44 |
| seaLne | Riddell: monday for working espresso? | 01:45 |
| === Mez gets annoyed at thunderbird | ||
| Hobbsee | it's done :D | 01:45 |
| seaLne | anyone tried it? not that i would try to till monday anyway but no point wasting cdr as its still too big too fit on my cdrs | 01:46 |
| seaLne | cdrws | 01:46 |
| seaLne | should probably order some 700Mb cdrws | 01:46 |
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| Hobbsee | why does k3b not depend on cdrdao? | 02:05 |
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| Hobbsee | this is very weird... | 02:50 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: what's wired | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: just some clients being booted out of #ubuntu from a worm thingo | 02:57 |
| freeflying | :) | 02:57 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, what clients ? | 03:01 |
| Mez | mIRC? | 03:01 |
| Mez | kill mIRC | 03:01 |
| Mez | :D | 03:01 |
| Mez | lol | 03:01 |
| Mez | (j/k) | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | konversation build 3100 | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | irssi | 03:02 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: does your network use any Symantec IDS products? | 03:08 |
| jdong | or their networks | 03:08 |
| jdong | might be more people trying the damn you-know-what command | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: er, nope, only ezantivirus on teh main computer, firewall on here...unless furhter upstream than that | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | what, the darned "start[k] eylogger" or something? | 03:09 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: yeah, that | 03:09 |
| jdong | I've seen it quite a bit today | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | good thing i found out about that last night | 03:10 |
| jdong | especially since the issue was slashdotted | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | very true | 03:10 |
| jdong | and I'm getting packet logs of a worm doing that, too | 03:10 |
| jdong | or at least some batch script | 03:10 |
| freeflying | Mez: how about backport skim | 03:10 |
| jdong | freeflying: ABI transition; not possible | 03:10 |
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| Mez | freeflying, we've been through this | 03:10 |
| freeflying | :( | 03:10 |
| Mez | freeflying, waiting for Adam to see why my control hack isnt working | 03:10 |
| jdong | Mez, can you backport KDE? ;) | 03:11 |
| Mez | then I'll backport scim | 03:11 |
| Mez | jdong: yes and no | 03:11 |
| Mez | yes - it's backportable | 03:11 |
| Mez | no: cause backports arent in place in soyuz atm | 03:11 |
| freeflying | Mez: actrually ,scim just have binary name changes | 03:11 |
| jdong | I wonder if the new readahead mechanism works.... | 03:11 |
| Mez | freeflying, I know... | 03:11 |
| Mez | freeflying, we've been through this how many times. | 03:11 |
| Mez | as I said - waiting for Adam to find out why the control hack inst working | 03:12 |
| Mez | then I can backport it | 03:12 |
| freeflying | Mez: there are many request on that here | 03:12 |
| Mez | freeflying, I KNOW | 03:12 |
| freeflying | Mez: so I'd ask u for that , :) | 03:12 |
| Mez | WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS .. *counts* ... 7 TIMES ALREADY | 03:12 |
| === Mez bangs head | ||
| jdong | freeflying: startkeylogge[r] | 03:13 |
| jdong | damn too bad that doesn't do selective boots! | 03:13 |
| freeflying | jdong: startkeylogge[r] ? | 03:13 |
| jdong | freeflying: the uncensored command is interpreted by all Symantec IDSes as a worm; 30-minute auto IP ban, disconnect from IRC | 03:14 |
| Mez | o_O | 03:15 |
| jdong | pretty nasty | 03:15 |
| jdong | we had a field day today at school | 03:15 |
| jdong | some kids figured it out | 03:15 |
| jdong | and started sending udp packets flying around | 03:15 |
| jdong | and before we knew it the switch had a block rule for 10.0.0.0-10.255.255.255 | 03:16 |
| jdong | that was fun to fix :) | 03:16 |
| jdong | funny thing about telnet not working when it's being banned :) | 03:16 |
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| freeflying | jdong: hmm | 03:16 |
| jdong | freeflying: please don't go around random IRC channels testing this | 03:17 |
| jdong | freeflying: they get very pissed, and rightfully so | 03:17 |
| freeflying | lol | 03:17 |
| Mez | jdong:same could be said for you | 03:17 |
| jdong | Mez: I wouldn't do that :) | 03:18 |
| jdong | Mez: I had my fair share of this bug today; sick of it | 03:18 |
| freeflying | iot's need 3 hrs to grab espresso source from kubntu.org | 03:18 |
| jdong | Mez: it's amusing the first few times it happens... but when a 1500-port firewall+switch goes down.... grr | 03:18 |
| jdong | freeflying: bzr? | 03:18 |
| freeflying | jdong: ya | 03:18 |
| jdong | freeflying: yeah; bzr branch ain't the fastest command :) | 03:19 |
| jdong | its bzr's damn slow network code | 03:19 |
| jdong | they don't believe in persistent connections | 03:19 |
| freeflying | jdong: maybe I'd use wget instead | 03:19 |
| jdong | the poor apache at the other side! | 03:19 |
| freeflying | can you use BT adaptors under dapper ? | 03:20 |
| Mez | jdong: filed a bug yet ? | 03:20 |
| jdong | Mez: they don't care; it's been brought up on the bzr mailing list and IRC channel time after time | 03:21 |
| jdong | Mez: they say that it's against their philosophy for some silly reasons | 03:21 |
| jdong | freeflying: there's 917 revisions! It's not going to be fast | 03:21 |
| jdong | mine estimates 1 hour | 03:21 |
| jdong | which is pretty damn reasonable for a tree that size | 03:21 |
| jdong | 15 minutes now | 03:21 |
| freeflying | 2 hrs now | 03:22 |
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| Mez | hey seth|lappy | 03:41 |
| === freeflying still needs 20 minutes | ||
| === Mez pokes freeflying's net connection | ||
| === Mez slaps jdong | ||
| === freeflying finish branch | ||
| jdong | by now, bzr missing probably shows a couple more revisions :D | 04:01 |
| Mez | lol | 04:04 |
| === freeflying prepare install new espresso | ||
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| Tonio_ | hello | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:37 |
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| mdke | hi there. | 11:39 |
| jpatrick | hello mdke | 11:39 |
| mdke | does anyone know when kubuntu-desktop is likely to be installable on dapper? I'd like to try it out | 11:39 |
| jpatrick | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/InstallingKDE | 11:40 |
| mdke | *click* | 11:41 |
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| mdke | jpatrick, ok, kde-core is there. "kde" isn't though :-( | 11:42 |
| jpatrick | it's in universe | 11:42 |
| mdke | ah right | 11:42 |
| mdke | i'll do kde-core and kubuntu-default-settings for now | 11:42 |
| freeflying | mdke: what's kde-core | 11:43 |
| mdke | freeflying, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/InstallingKDE | 11:43 |
| mdke | jpatrick, thanks for your help. I'll be back later | 11:44 |
| freeflying | mdke: how about the space abhout kde-kore | 11:44 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: I think k-d-s needs update: openoffice.org2-kde => openoffice.org-kde (Fixes: mdke's problem) | 11:45 |
| freeflying | amu: ping | 11:46 |
| jpatrick | ^^ that's kubuntu-desktop I meant | 11:46 |
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| kmon | hi | 12:25 |
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| Hobbsee | hey kmon | 12:25 |
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| Flosoft | hey | 12:54 |
| hunger | hi | 12:54 |
| Flosoft | does anyone here know how to set an IP as op automatically? | 12:54 |
| hunger | Flosoft: Please use #ubuntu for this kind of questions. | 12:55 |
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| Tm_T | hm hmm hmmmm | 02:54 |
| jpat|away | what? | 02:54 |
| Tm_T | just wondering | 02:55 |
| === Tm_T is wondering what else he have to do to be ubuntu member ;) | ||
| jpat|away | not a lot | 02:58 |
| mdke | Tm_T, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember | 02:59 |
| Tm_T | bah | 03:00 |
| Tm_T | " sustained level of contribution " | 03:01 |
| Tm_T | ;( | 03:01 |
| jpat|away | Tm_T: I'll classify in that place | 03:02 |
| Tm_T | btw | 03:03 |
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| Tm_T | jpat|away: you see? how they expect everyone understand italian ;( | 03:04 |
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| Tm_T | it's just dont make any sense | 03:04 |
| jpat|away | I do spanish and catalan but that's it | 03:04 |
| Tm_T | you mean castilian and catalan? | 03:05 |
| jpat|away | yes | 03:05 |
| Tm_T | aye | 03:05 |
| jpat|away | at least the girls here are nice | 03:05 |
| mdke | what italian? | 03:05 |
| Tm_T | Finnish/English/Swedish here... though still trying to learn cymraeg | 03:05 |
| jpat|away | Welsh? | 03:06 |
| Tm_T | aye | 03:06 |
| jpat|away | I know a bit of that | 03:06 |
| Tm_T | heh | 03:06 |
| Tm_T | I don't | 03:06 |
| jpat|away | my grandmother was from Swansea | 03:06 |
| Tm_T | I learn something, I forget, I learn something, I forget... | 03:06 |
| jpat|away | ^^ hear hear | 03:07 |
| freeflying | T | 03:07 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: chinese | 03:07 |
| Tm_T | I'm too old to learn I afraid... | 03:07 |
| Tm_T | ;( | 03:07 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: HEY! | 03:07 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: wanna have jingle support to Kopete?! | 03:07 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: wanna to learn chinese ? | 03:07 |
| Tm_T | nope | 03:08 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: can it works now | 03:08 |
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| Tm_T | freeflying: I just package ortp, that's it | 03:08 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: I'd like to try later | 03:09 |
| Tm_T | but maybe I have to make sure it doesn't overwrite/conflict with ubuntu's ortp | 03:09 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: aye, that will be with beta packages, so it's not yet | 03:09 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: :) | 03:10 |
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| tonio_ | raphink: ? | 03:34 |
| raphink | yop tonio_ | 03:35 |
| tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 03:35 |
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| raphink | hmmm | 03:36 |
| jpat|away | hmm just pinging alot | 03:36 |
| raphink | ping jpat|away | 03:36 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: this is because it is important | 03:36 |
| jpat|away | not here | 03:36 |
| tonio_ | very important | 03:36 |
| jpat|away | ;) | 03:36 |
| jpat|away | so tell us... | 03:43 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: well, I saw we had HUDGE bugs with kde | 03:43 |
| tonio_ | so I deceided to reinstall properly the latest dapper flight 4 | 03:44 |
| tonio_ | here is the result : | 03:44 |
| tonio_ | kdeprint doesn't work and crashes while connecting to cups | 03:44 |
| jpat|away | known | 03:44 |
| tonio_ | I don't have any sound | 03:44 |
| tonio_ | etc..... | 03:44 |
| tonio_ | I installed gnome, to have a look | 03:44 |
| raphink | jpat|away: known is the your answer ??? | 03:45 |
| tonio_ | everythings is perfect | 03:45 |
| raphink | jpat|away: how can "known" be your answer ? | 03:45 |
| raphink | how good is it for users to have an OS with known bugs ? | 03:45 |
| tonio_ | kde 3.5.1 is a PAIN | 03:45 |
| tonio_ | the most buggy DM on earth actually | 03:45 |
| raphink | that's what I said weeks go | 03:45 |
| raphink | ago | 03:45 |
| jpat|away | I thought they were working on it... | 03:45 |
| raphink | jpat|away: kde devs are working on kde 4 | 03:45 |
| raphink | they're not interested in kde 3.5 | 03:45 |
| raphink | that is a fact | 03:45 |
| tonio_ | and my feeling is that if we don't discuss with kde right now, dapper kubuntu will be as buggy as breezy, or maybe more | 03:46 |
| raphink | there are HUGE bugs in main apps | 03:46 |
| raphink | that have been unfixed for months | 03:46 |
| raphink | the KDE BTS is the worse in the world | 03:46 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: and I must say I'm a bit sick of using an unstable DM | 03:46 |
| raphink | when you search for a bug you find bugs in KDE 2.3 or so | 03:46 |
| tonio_ | actually kubuntu can be considered as an alpha | 03:46 |
| tonio_ | not more | 03:46 |
| tonio_ | and release is in 5 weeks | 03:46 |
| jpat|away | true | 03:46 |
| raphink | KDE 3.5.1 was supposed to be a bugfix | 03:46 |
| tonio_ | raphink: ++ | 03:47 |
| raphink | there are more huge bugs in 3.5.1 than in 3.5.0 | 03:47 |
| tonio_ | by far | 03:47 |
| raphink | I've looked at the sources for some apps in kdebase or so | 03:47 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: how can I get sound with gnome and not kde ? | 03:47 |
| tonio_ | because kde 3.5.1 is a pain | 03:47 |
| raphink | between 3.5.0 and 3.5.1 many stuff have been added | 03:47 |
| raphink | I don't call that a bugfix | 03:47 |
| tonio_ | we need help of kde developpers for kubuntu | 03:47 |
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| raphink | I'm happy to integrate kde into kubuntu just as long as we can have a REAL stable version of KDE | 03:47 |
| tonio_ | because if we don't, kubuntu will be shit, and kde will appear in the feeling of people like a big buffshit | 03:48 |
| raphink | and there has been none since KDE 3.4.2 | 03:48 |
| tonio_ | everyone in kubuntu and kde cold have regrets | 03:48 |
| raphink | since kde 3.4.2, KDE devs add lots of new stuff to KDE and seem to forget about debugging what's already there | 03:48 |
| tonio_ | because I must say I'm jalous when i see the exceptionnal quality of ubuntu | 03:48 |
| raphink | they're too focused on what's next and not on making what's here work | 03:48 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: kde4, that's all they can say | 03:49 |
| raphink | I'd like to be able to say to people : install Kubuntu, it works great | 03:49 |
| tonio_ | kde4 will bee god + jesus + mary | 03:49 |
| raphink | but the reason why I can't is because there are huge bugs are not kubuntu specific, but KDE-wide | 03:49 |
| tonio_ | kde4 will be more stable than the solar system etc........ | 03:49 |
| tonio_ | but kde4 will not be mature before at least 18 month | 03:49 |
| raphink | tonio_: yep | 03:49 |
| tonio_ | are we going to release 3 buggy version of kubuntu since then ? | 03:49 |
| raphink | and in the meanwhile we get to build kubuntu with an horribly bugged version of kde | 03:50 |
| tonio_ | the bts is completly unusable | 03:50 |
| tonio_ | kde dev don't use it | 03:50 |
| tonio_ | there are major bugs that have chaneg status for 6 month at least | 03:50 |
| tonio_ | new features are pain in the ass | 03:50 |
| tonio_ | systemapplet is causing many problems | 03:50 |
| tonio_ | kate is becoming unusable | 03:50 |
| tonio_ | damn ! | 03:50 |
| tonio_ | we need to ask help of kde for kubuntu | 03:51 |
| tonio_ | because this will help both kubuntu and kde | 03:51 |
| tonio_ | and if we don't, kubuntu will be released with horrible bugs | 03:51 |
| tonio_ | like breezy | 03:51 |
| OculusAquilae | tonio_: right | 03:51 |
| tonio_ | and will discredit itself and kde | 03:52 |
| raphink | I'll be honnest on a few things | 03:52 |
| tonio_ | I can't imagin that we have a pre alpha actually while releasing in 5 weeks only | 03:52 |
| raphink | if KDE 3.5.2 gets in Kubuntu two weeks before dapper, I'll stop contributing to Kubuntu and will focus on GNOME | 03:52 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: can you imagin I'm considering switching to gnome for my laptop ? | 03:52 |
| raphink | cause I don't want to end up with an alpha release of Kubuntu as "stable" | 03:52 |
| tonio_ | I use it for work, and it is almost unsuable, with breezy or dapper | 03:52 |
| raphink | and if KDE devs don't make a real debug of KDE 3.5 | 03:53 |
| raphink | focusing on important bugs | 03:53 |
| raphink | I'll switch to GNOME too | 03:53 |
| tonio_ | raphink: unless kde 3.5.2 is a REAL bugfix release | 03:53 |
| raphink | cause I love KDE but I'm tired of not being able to print, losing my contacts everyday and my kontact settings | 03:53 |
| tonio_ | not a bugfix with 40kB diff on a 30kB ccp file......... | 03:53 |
| raphink | tonio_: I doubt it can be though | 03:53 |
| Tm_T | ahhaha! | 03:53 |
| raphink | Tm_T: what's funny? | 03:54 |
| tonio_ | kontact and kmail have known bugs that haven't be touched for month | 03:54 |
| Tm_T | http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png | 03:54 |
| Tm_T | just look the font in Konsole | 03:54 |
| tonio_ | really I'm affraid | 03:55 |
| tonio_ | Riddell has 1000 things to do | 03:55 |
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| raphink | Tm_T: I don't understand finnish | 03:55 |
| tonio_ | I can help as much as I can, but if kubuntu gets only 10% help of canonical that ubuntu has | 03:56 |
| freeflying | tonio_: not only kubuntu release with 3.5.1 , but also many other distros | 03:56 |
| Tm_T | raphink: doesn't matter, look that font, so small and yet sharp | 03:56 |
| hunger | tonio_T There are other small bugs all over the place. | 03:56 |
| tonio_ | that we don't get cpp devel soon, and if kde doesn't seem to be able to make a real debug release | 03:56 |
| tonio_ | what will result is a crappy distro | 03:56 |
| tonio_ | nothing else | 03:56 |
| raphink | freeflying: so it'll be bad for all distros based on it | 03:56 |
| tonio_ | sorry for this, but I'm saying this because I LOVE kubuntu | 03:56 |
| tonio_ | freeflying: true | 03:57 |
| OculusAquilae | right | 03:57 |
| tonio_ | all distros keep kde 3.4.2 | 03:57 |
| tonio_ | why ? | 03:57 |
| tonio_ | because all other releases are pain | 03:57 |
| amu | well, the birds sing, kubuntu get help with an icon artist ?!? | 03:57 |
| Tm_T | ?! | 03:57 |
| tonio_ | kde 3.5 was supposed to be the most mature, stable and efficient version of kde | 03:57 |
| raphink | amu: that is not what we need sorry | 03:57 |
| tonio_ | the result is one of the most unstable (if not THE one) dm on earth | 03:57 |
| tonio_ | windows xp is by far more stable | 03:58 |
| Tm_T | amu: I heard small things about that too | 03:58 |
| jdong | tonio_: I disagree. All distros keep 3.4.2 because they were released with 3.4.2 and upgrading to 3.5 in between releases is against their policy | 03:58 |
| Tm_T | amu: but nothing official yet ;( | 03:58 |
| jdong | tonio_: I have no issues with my KDE | 03:58 |
| freeflying | tonio_: actually , canonical care too few on kubuntu, so riddell shall ask for more help from canonical | 03:58 |
| tonio_ | jdong: false | 03:58 |
| tonio_ | gentoo was released 2 days ago | 03:58 |
| amu | Tm_T: :) | 03:58 |
| tonio_ | with kde 3.4 | 03:58 |
| tonio_ | not 3.5 | 03:58 |
| raphink | jdong: can you use kdeprint? | 03:58 |
| raphink | jdong: what happens to your contacts when you close kontact with a mail still open? | 03:58 |
| jdong | tonio_: Gentoo does not have enough developer resources; they stabilize VERY conservatively | 03:59 |
| jpat|away | tonio_: gentoo is never released, they just upgrade | 03:59 |
| raphink | jdong: can you use your contacts from kaddressbook in kmail ? | 03:59 |
| amu | raphink: i guess the situation is not good | 03:59 |
| jpat|away | raphink: I can | 03:59 |
| tonio_ | jdong: okay, so everything is fine then ;) | 03:59 |
| jdong | print: working | 03:59 |
| tonio_ | cool ! | 03:59 |
| hunger | tonio_: I currently have 3 bugs open which are trivial to fix, but have not been touched in a week or more:-( Too bad that the kubuntu devs are so busy:-( | 03:59 |
| raphink | jdong: can you launch kded without getting a thousand error windows to click? | 03:59 |
| tonio_ | jdong: do you use dapper ? | 03:59 |
| raphink | and losing cookies support in konqueror at the same time | 03:59 |
| jdong | YES | 03:59 |
| raphink | jdong: do you have an up-to-date dapper system? | 04:00 |
| tonio_ | jdong: can't be possible | 04:00 |
| tonio_ | I have kdeprint failing on 5 machines | 04:00 |
| raphink | jdong: we tested all these bugs on several machines with kde 3.5.1 | 04:00 |
| raphink | even on newly installed boxes | 04:00 |
| raphink | they are there | 04:00 |
| jdong | that's strange.... | 04:00 |
| jdong | I just dist-upgraded this morning | 04:00 |
| tonio_ | it can work if you change the cups address in the properties, to locakhost | 04:00 |
| tonio_ | then install a printer discarding the error messages | 04:00 |
| raphink | jdong: the kdeprint bug is even present in DF4 | 04:00 |
| jdong | how else do you configure CUPS? | 04:00 |
| tonio_ | and then, yes, I agree it works | 04:00 |
| raphink | so it's more than 20 days old | 04:00 |
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| jpat|away | hunger++ | 04:01 |
| tonio_ | jdong: I installed flight4 this morning | 04:01 |
| jdong | hunger: developers too lazy to make _binary_ packages :) | 04:01 |
| tonio_ | just perfomed dist-upgrade | 04:01 |
| tonio_ | rebooted, and that doesn't work | 04:01 |
| tonio_ | jdong: maybe that works because you have a breezy updated to dapper | 04:01 |
| tonio_ | I had sound with my breezy-dapper | 04:01 |
| jdong | well, maybe my KDE install is just an anomaly then; I upgraded from Breezy to Dapper a few months back, and dist-upgrade weekly | 04:01 |
| tonio_ | with a fresh dapper I don't | 04:01 |
| tonio_ | that's the reason | 04:02 |
| jdong | tonio_: it may be a problem limited to fresh installs | 04:02 |
| hunger | jdong: They do not make them themselves: They do build-scripts and have a compiler do the building;-) | 04:02 |
| tonio_ | jdong: go with a fresh install | 04:02 |
| tonio_ | yes jdong, but that is a MAJOR issue | 04:02 |
| raphink | jdong: no it's not. I had a breezy -> dapper that failed too | 04:02 |
| jdong | tonio_: I'd rather keep my working KDE, thank you very much :) | 04:02 |
| amu | btw. greetings from the kubuntu-stand at linuxtag chemnitz :) | 04:02 |
| raphink | amu: :) | 04:02 |
| freeflying | amu: hi | 04:02 |
| hunger | amu: Say hi to sven guckes if you meet him. | 04:02 |
| raphink | jdong: we are on #kubuntu-devel here, not on #kubuntu | 04:02 |
| raphink | jdong: what matters is not that your box luckily works | 04:03 |
| jdong | raphink: I understand. | 04:03 |
| raphink | jdong: what matters is that all kubuntu systems should work out of the box | 04:03 |
| freeflying | amu: how about your livecd | 04:03 |
| raphink | and it's not the case | 04:03 |
| raphink | when you install dapper right now, you get LOTS of HUGE bugs in KDE | 04:03 |
| raphink | we are one month and a half from release | 04:03 |
| hunger | raphink: Same happened with breezy, too. | 04:03 |
| raphink | hunger: kubuntu breezy was a mistake | 04:04 |
| tonio_ | another example | 04:04 |
| raphink | we don't want to do that mistake again | 04:04 |
| raphink | I believe | 04:04 |
| hunger | raphink: So far I am convident that dapper might work after all. | 04:04 |
| amu | hunger: yeah :) will do | 04:04 |
| tonio_ | systemsettings is nox in kubuntu for 6 month at least | 04:04 |
| tonio_ | it has BIG bugs | 04:04 |
| tonio_ | none of them is resolved actually | 04:04 |
| OculusAquilae | right | 04:04 |
| tonio_ | because Riddell doesn't have time for this (and I understand that) | 04:04 |
| raphink | hunger: kubuntu breezy is almost unusable for production without an immediate dist-upgrade | 04:04 |
| tonio_ | he is actually project manager, packageur, integrator, developper plus many more | 04:05 |
| hunger | raphink: I dist-upgraded to dapper right after breezy;-) | 04:05 |
| amu | freeflying: yeah, if linuxtag ends, i've time :) last week was fosdem, this weekend linuxtag :) | 04:05 |
| tonio_ | we have to implement without the promissed help of canonical a bugging desktop manager, with only a very few people knowing cpp | 04:06 |
| tonio_ | that's simply not possible | 04:06 |
| raphink | hunger: what are we talking about here? is kubuntu aimed to devs or to normal users ? | 04:06 |
| hunger | raphink: I do not care as long as it works for me. | 04:06 |
| tonio_ | I don't blame canonical at all, but I remember mark saying he wanted kubuntu to become the same first class distro than ubuntu | 04:06 |
| tonio_ | this is not going to happen actually | 04:07 |
| raphink | hunger: do you call yourself a kubuntu developer? | 04:07 |
| tonio_ | I'm just reallistic | 04:07 |
| hunger | raphink: No. I am a kubuntu-user only. | 04:07 |
| raphink | hunger: ok | 04:07 |
| raphink | tonio_: I totally agree | 04:07 |
| raphink | we cannot make kubuntu a good distro right now if KDE devs don't spend a month fixing bugs | 04:07 |
| raphink | that won't happen | 04:07 |
| tonio_ | and maybe if we don't receive a little help from canonical | 04:08 |
| hunger | tonio_: For the protocol: Riddell is doing an amazing job! | 04:08 |
| tonio_ | hunger: of course | 04:08 |
| raphink | hunger: nobody said he is not | 04:08 |
| tonio_ | hunger: I didn't say it because it is de facto logic | 04:08 |
| tonio_ | Riddell is doing crazu stuff, it is simply incredible | 04:08 |
| hunger | raphink: Currently everybody in the kde-camp is starring at the promissed land kde 4:-( | 04:08 |
| tonio_ | but he is so alone to implement a bugging DM | 04:08 |
| raphink | hunger: we we're not to release kde4 hee | 04:09 |
| raphink | here | 04:09 |
| amu | dudes dont forget kubuntu is a project, where YOU all decide :) | 04:09 |
| raphink | I excepct we release a stable kubuntu verzsion with dapper | 04:09 |
| raphink | but that won't happen if all kde devs are busy playing on kde4 | 04:09 |
| amu | if YOU decide kubuntu isnt ready dont release | 04:09 |
| raphink | I can also go prepare dapper+1 right now | 04:09 |
| tonio_ | I'm blaming kde for releasing fake bugfix releases | 04:09 |
| hunger | raphink: Yeap, but whenever I talk to some kde person and criticise something I get to hear "It will be fixed/changed/replaced in kde 4 anyway". | 04:09 |
| tonio_ | not Riddell...... | 04:09 |
| raphink | hunger: ok fine then, I'll switch to GNOME and I'll be back to Kubuntu when it's time to integrate kde4 | 04:10 |
| tonio_ | hunger: kde4 is called to be jesus, god, everything you want | 04:10 |
| hunger | raphink: I tried that... but gnome is sooooo annoying:-( | 04:10 |
| tonio_ | so it means we have to wait 18 month with a pain to get something stable ? | 04:10 |
| raphink | hunger: I don't like GNOME, but it WORKS! | 04:11 |
| raphink | it just works | 04:11 |
| hunger | tonio_: That is my impression... :-( | 04:11 |
| jpat|away | tonio_: I thought it was 10 | 04:11 |
| tonio_ | I will use gnome instead of waiting....... | 04:11 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: in theory it is 10 | 04:11 |
| hunger | raphink: Not for me... and I tried hard to make it work for me:-( | 04:11 |
| freeflying | raphink: kde can works too, just with bugs hmm | 04:11 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: that means 12 to 14 | 04:11 |
| raphink | freeflying: lol | 04:11 |
| tonio_ | to get a first version | 04:11 |
| raphink | freeflying: sorry, I had too many problems with kde 3.5.1 to say it works | 04:11 |
| tonio_ | and as a first version is never exempted of bugs | 04:11 |
| tonio_ | it means 18 for something stable | 04:11 |
| tonio_ | technically, thinking it will be less is a dream only | 04:12 |
| raphink | yes | 04:12 |
| raphink | and kde4 is to have lots of new features | 04:12 |
| raphink | therefore lots of bugs to fix | 04:12 |
| freeflying | raphink: true, but we can not affect kde-devs too much for bug fixing | 04:12 |
| raphink | freeflying: sure then let's stop trying to integrate kde 3.5 then | 04:12 |
| tonio_ | freeflying: do they want kubuntu, one of the 2 or 3 most popular kde distros, to be released with bug like this ? | 04:13 |
| raphink | freeflying: I don't really like it to be trying to provide users a bugging system, with absent upstream, busy releasing next version | 04:13 |
| tonio_ | that is not only a problem for kubuntu, but for kde too | 04:13 |
| tonio_ | gnome in increasing very fast | 04:13 |
| freeflying | raphink: tonio_ but it is better than no kubuntu release | 04:13 |
| raphink | freeflying: no | 04:13 |
| tonio_ | it is stable, works, and lots of people are just fine with it | 04:13 |
| raphink | freeflying: I don't agree | 04:13 |
| tonio_ | otherwise, ubuntu wouldn't be that incredible success | 04:14 |
| raphink | freeflying: let's get the fact, I've put kubuntu breezy with kde 3.5.1 to my mom and sister | 04:14 |
| freeflying | raphink: suse can use it , also mdv , fc , why can't we | 04:14 |
| tonio_ | freeflying: I prefer something stable to something that is not | 04:14 |
| raphink | freeflying: my mom has lost her contacts 20 times this month | 04:14 |
| jpat|away | raphink: that is annoying when KAB moves the contact file | 04:14 |
| tonio_ | freeflying: neither suse, nor mandriva implemented 3.5 | 04:15 |
| tonio_ | and they probably won't | 04:15 |
| OculusAquilae | they didn't? | 04:15 |
| hunger | tonio_: Sorry, I do not see gnome getting closer. It is far ahead of kde wrt. hardware support and zeroconf, but far behind anywhere else. | 04:15 |
| raphink | hunger: it doesn't crash as much | 04:15 |
| freeflying | tonio_: opensuse also test on 3.5.1 now | 04:15 |
| raphink | freeflying: I doubt it will release with it anytime soon though | 04:16 |
| raphink | unless they have kde devs within their team to fix all the bugs | 04:16 |
| OculusAquilae | suse should have problems too | 04:16 |
| raphink | OculusAquilae: they will | 04:16 |
| hunger | raphink: maybe, but it doesn't do basic stuff like supporting the Win key in key combos, etc. That means relearning all key-combos for me. | 04:16 |
| raphink | haha | 04:17 |
| hunger | raphink: And evo is plain unusable compared to kmail. | 04:17 |
| freeflying | raphink: tonio_ we shall ask canonical for more care on kubuntu | 04:17 |
| raphink | freeflying: totally agreed | 04:17 |
| hunger | raphink: Not to speak of dev tools like kdevelop, umbrello, etc. | 04:17 |
| raphink | freeflying: mark promised some help on kubuntu | 04:17 |
| raphink | freeflying: why aren't they hiring another main dev for KDE ? | 04:17 |
| freeflying | raphink: we'd poke him | 04:17 |
| raphink | there are 3 devs on GNOME | 04:17 |
| raphink | only 1 on KDE | 04:17 |
| freeflying | although he have promised | 04:17 |
| OculusAquilae | and ask the suse and kde guys | 04:18 |
| freeflying | OculusAquilae: ask suse guys for whay ? | 04:18 |
| OculusAquilae | to show the kde guys that they are doing something wrong | 04:18 |
| raphink | some things have been posted before kde4 dev began | 04:19 |
| freeflying | OculusAquilae: they not paid employee of suse or any comp at all | 04:19 |
| raphink | to tell kde devs not to rush into kde4 dev | 04:19 |
| tonio_ | raphink: only one on kde, when kde is much more complex and buggy that gnome | 04:19 |
| hunger | OculusAquilae: Well, fixing bugs is boooring compared to working on cool-new-stuff(TM). | 04:19 |
| tonio_ | means to have the equivalent, we should get 4 to 5 personns only | 04:19 |
| raphink | hunger: what do you work on? | 04:19 |
| raphink | hunger: what is your contribution on cool-new-stuff? | 04:20 |
| hunger | raphink: Nothing... | 04:20 |
| freeflying | hunger: I think hunger may just tell a truth | 04:20 |
| tonio_ | I would prefer the kde crew to spend 3 month debugging kde and wait three month more for kde4 | 04:20 |
| tonio_ | no pb for me with that | 04:20 |
| raphink | tonio_: ++ | 04:20 |
| hunger | raphink: Currently I am playing with gcc to make it issue warnings according to the MISRA standard... talking about boring stuff;-) | 04:20 |
| tonio_ | I'm sure, 1 month could be enought to provide a good debug | 04:20 |
| OculusAquilae | tonio_++ | 04:21 |
| tonio_ | but they don't give a f**k on kde 3.5 | 04:21 |
| tonio_ | sorry, but that's my real feeling | 04:21 |
| freeflying | tonio_: they can not stop , u know there is gnome , so they want keep with gnome | 04:21 |
| raphink | I think if KDE devs spent the 20 days before 3.5.2 debugging | 04:21 |
| raphink | it would be a GREAT help | 04:21 |
| hunger | Maybe we could skip kubuntu-dapper and go for kde4? | 04:21 |
| hunger | That way we would get upstream support;-) | 04:22 |
| tonio_ | freeflying: what ? | 04:22 |
| freeflying | raphink: only kde-devs may not do all debugging | 04:22 |
| tonio_ | I don't ask for canonical to stop with gnome ;) | 04:22 |
| raphink | freeflying: KDE and GNOME are not competing, that is a clich | 04:22 |
| tonio_ | I'm just saying that I read, everywhere kubuntu would get great support, and that didn't happen | 04:22 |
| freeflying | tonio_: so poke canonical or mark for that | 04:23 |
| hunger | tonio_: At least in the *ubuntu environment they are: the ubuntu-devs change stuff without even considering the impact on (k|x)ubuntu. | 04:23 |
| hunger | tonio_: But that might be my impression only... | 04:23 |
| tonio_ | as good as Riddell can be, and as much as we help, that's not enough to deal with a bugging and complex desktop manager | 04:23 |
| tonio_ | if kde was stable, that could be okay | 04:23 |
| tonio_ | but that's not the real life....... | 04:24 |
| tonio_ | hunger: +++ | 04:24 |
| tonio_ | everything is done thinking of gnome | 04:24 |
| tonio_ | I don't mind, that's okay | 04:24 |
| hunger | tonio_: frankly: I do not feel much initiative to help with *ubuntu... | 04:24 |
| tonio_ | they can do what they want | 04:24 |
| tonio_ | hunger: but it has been promissed | 04:25 |
| tonio_ | if nothing had been said, I wouldn't mind | 04:25 |
| hunger | tonio_: I am talking about my initiative to help you devs. | 04:25 |
| hunger | tonio_: I never promissed anything;-) | 04:25 |
| freeflying | tonio_: mark also promised give us support for working on BetterCJKSupport | 04:25 |
| tonio_ | I think we really need to take great decisions this WE, of kubuntu will be, like breezy, a bug fatory on release | 04:25 |
| raphink | hunger: mark promised | 04:25 |
| hunger | tonio_: I have bugreports 43 weeks old and basically ignored. | 04:26 |
| tonio_ | hunger: I don't talk about you, hehe | 04:26 |
| tonio_ | :) | 04:26 |
| freeflying | tonio_: but we have not any yet now | 04:26 |
| hunger | tonio_: That ruins my motivation to send pathes via the bugtracker. | 04:26 |
| tonio_ | hunger: yes | 04:26 |
| raphink | just hiring one KDE dev in canonical might help | 04:26 |
| tonio_ | and we need to flame kde for this | 04:26 |
| tonio_ | they need to change that if they want to work efficiently | 04:26 |
| tonio_ | the kde BTS is the crappiest peace of web application I've seen in my life | 04:27 |
| tonio_ | hunger: make a search for a bug | 04:27 |
| hunger | tonio_: To be fair: the 43week bugreport is for ubuntu and pitti did look into it. | 04:27 |
| tonio_ | you get 20 pages of feature request dating 2001-2002 | 04:27 |
| freeflying | raphink: it's canonical's duty to hire a kde-dev | 04:27 |
| _Sime | tonio_: BTW, I've been working on some of the bugs in systemsettings. | 04:27 |
| hunger | tonio_: LP is not great either. | 04:27 |
| tonio_ | that's a joke to me | 04:27 |
| raphink | freeflying: whose duty is it? | 04:27 |
| raphink | freeflying: oh sorry yes yo'ure right :) | 04:28 |
| freeflying | raphink: canonical | 04:28 |
| tonio_ | _Sime: systemsettings was just an example | 04:28 |
| raphink | freeflying: but when is it to happen ? | 04:28 |
| freeflying | raphink: same as above , we'd poke canonical or mark, instead disscuss here | 04:28 |
| tonio_ | I just saw, this morning, on a fresh and updated kubuntu, that I don't have any sound, I can't print | 04:29 |
| tonio_ | kontact bugs | 04:29 |
| tonio_ | and I can use bluetooth only because I myself resolved the bug | 04:29 |
| raphink | freeflying: if there's just one kubuntu dev poking canonical I'm not sure it'll work though. We need to be all in this | 04:29 |
| tonio_ | the problem is that I could accept that 3 month ago | 04:29 |
| raphink | freeflying: I asked Riddell some time ago and he said canonical had no plan to hire anyone for Kubuntu | 04:29 |
| tonio_ | but we are supposed to about beta 2 level | 04:29 |
| tonio_ | rc1 maybe | 04:29 |
| tonio_ | not pre-alpha | 04:29 |
| freeflying | raphink: just poke them , let them know the truth | 04:30 |
| hunger | tonio_: So skip kubuntu/dapper. | 04:30 |
| raphink | right | 04:30 |
| hunger | tonio_: No sense in releasing unfinished business. | 04:30 |
| OculusAquilae | right | 04:31 |
| raphink | yes | 04:31 |
| raphink | hunger: I've been tracking bugs in KDE, trying to fix them | 04:31 |
| raphink | but | 04:31 |
| raphink | 1) I don't know cpp enough | 04:31 |
| raphink | 2) I don't know how the app is built | 04:31 |
| raphink | I think the best person to fix a bug is the author of the program | 04:32 |
| hunger | tonio_: Basically all of my collegues swithed to gnome because kubuntu/breezy was too buggy. | 04:32 |
| tonio_ | raphink: ++ | 04:32 |
| OculusAquilae | raphlink: ++ | 04:32 |
| hunger | raphink: What is the problem with cpp? | 04:32 |
| jpat|away | raphink ++ | 04:32 |
| tonio_ | hunger: yes | 04:32 |
| tonio_ | but breezy wasn't mature | 04:32 |
| tonio_ | only the wecond version | 04:32 |
| hunger | raphink Just ask, I think I can help with that. | 04:32 |
| tonio_ | can be called an accident | 04:32 |
| hunger | tonio_: So will dapper be better? | 04:32 |
| raphink | hunger: I will spend 5 days trying to fix a kontact bug that can be fixed in 4 hours by its dev | 04:32 |
| tonio_ | hunger: it HAS TO be different with dapper | 04:32 |
| hunger | tonio_: Frankly: I doubt that. | 04:33 |
| freeflying | wow time to beds , nite all | 04:33 |
| tonio_ | I've contributed as much as I could | 04:33 |
| raphink | night freeflying | 04:33 |
| tonio_ | improving the desktop, packaging apps, resolving bugs (when I can) | 04:33 |
| hunger | tonio_: Yes, I do appreciate your work. | 04:33 |
| tonio_ | but I have the feeling that this is not of any use if we have a crappy base | 04:33 |
| tonio_ | having good fonts ? nice, but I can't print | 04:33 |
| freeflying | raphink: btw if you poke canonical or mark , include me :) | 04:33 |
| raphink | hunger: integrating kde 3.5 into kubuntu feels like fighting mills | 04:33 |
| raphink | freeflying: ok :) | 04:34 |
| tonio_ | having cool desktop with nice konq settings ? nice, but kontact lost all my contacts | 04:34 |
| raphink | ;) | 04:34 |
| raphink | tonio_: kmail can't use your contacts from kaddressbook anyway so ... ;) | 04:34 |
| hunger | tonio_: "it HAS TO be" won't make things work. | 04:35 |
| raphink | you can lose them, it won't harm | 04:35 |
| raphink | hehe | 04:35 |
| tonio_ | hunger: this is the reason we are discussing of what to do here | 04:35 |
| raphink | hunger: I can't fix these huge bugs, tonio can't either, riddell is too busy, \sh is not here atm | 04:35 |
| raphink | hunger: who is to fix them ? | 04:35 |
| raphink | if not kde devs | 04:35 |
| tonio_ | if raphink and I wouldn't be flaming the channel, nobody would care, and simply wait for the buggy relase to come out | 04:35 |
| hunger | hunger: kde devs or nobody... but then you should not have kubuntu/dapper. | 04:36 |
| tonio_ | except of course Riddell who cares more than everyone else, but missing 4 arms and 2 brains to do the job.... | 04:36 |
| tonio_ | the problem is that we need core-devs to ask for help, and only riddell here is part of canonical and has good contacts in the kde-devel crew | 04:38 |
| jpat|away | what about amu? | 04:38 |
| raphink | well apachelogger, too | 04:39 |
| tonio_ | so we need to discuss with of the problem, not to fleme, but to think efficiently, and try to get the best for kubuntu because we all love it | 04:39 |
| tonio_ | raphink: true, I forgot | 04:39 |
| jpat|away | now that you come to mention him, I haven't since him for a while | 04:41 |
| tonio_ | I mean, we don't have 200 bugs to reolve | 04:43 |
| tonio_ | 5 to 10 only | 04:43 |
| tonio_ | but they are majors | 04:43 |
| OculusAquilae | right | 04:43 |
| tonio_ | I can deal with a system where I don't have sound, can't print, and make a prey for my contacts each time I have an email to send | 04:44 |
| tonio_ | s:can:can't | 04:44 |
| hunger | tonio_: #31923, #31924, #32340 are minor and trivial to fix. #33034 adds two config files to improve zeroconf. | 04:45 |
| OculusAquilae | tonio_: so have you a suggestion? asking kde-devs? | 04:45 |
| hunger | tonio_: Trivial stuff... Would be nice if those get fixed before dapper... | 04:45 |
| tonio_ | OculusAquilae: canonical of kde, I don't know | 04:45 |
| tonio_ | but I'm not superman, I can't debug cpp | 04:45 |
| raphink | OculusAquilae: asking kde-devs for more bugfixing for kde 3.5.2 and canonical for hiring a guy for kubuntu | 04:45 |
| raphink | as they promised | 04:46 |
| tonio_ | I can work on many things, but not this one | 04:46 |
| hunger | tonio_: What is wrong with cpp? | 04:46 |
| === hunger is hacking cpp right now. | ||
| raphink | hunger: well then come and debug kubuntu | 04:46 |
| OculusAquilae | right | 04:46 |
| tonio_ | hunger: the fact that it is a laguage I don't know ? :) | 04:46 |
| === jpat|away is doing Ruby | ||
| raphink | hunger: if you can do it, we need you | 04:46 |
| hunger | tonio_: Which bug? | 04:46 |
| tonio_ | hunger : kdeprint crashing | 04:47 |
| tonio_ | for example | 04:47 |
| raphink | hunger: if you can fix major bugs in KDE, stop talking and begin contributing | 04:47 |
| OculusAquilae | in general I can write kde-apps too | 04:47 |
| hunger | raphink: And send another patch to sit in the tracker getting ignored? :-( | 04:47 |
| raphink | hunger: if you can debug, debug | 04:47 |
| hunger | What makes you think kdeprint has a problem with cpp? | 04:48 |
| tonio_ | hunger: if you send the bug to Riddell, it'll go in kubuntu | 04:48 |
| hunger | raphink: I do have to earn money, you know. | 04:48 |
| tonio_ | hunger: and that would benefit several million users | 04:48 |
| raphink | hunger: because it's programmed in cpp and it has bugs ? | 04:48 |
| raphink | hunger: how about us ? | 04:48 |
| raphink | hunger: do you know that we are developers ? | 04:48 |
| raphink | and volunteers | 04:48 |
| hunger | raphink: Programmed in the C Preprocessor? | 04:49 |
| tonio_ | raphink: I would have said "if you can and want to debug, debug" :) | 04:49 |
| raphink | do you know how many hours people have given to make kubuntu work? | 04:49 |
| raphink | hunger: and do you know that all of us have to get some money too, from time tot ime? | 04:49 |
| hunger | raphink: That is great, and I owe you a lot for that! | 04:49 |
| raphink | hunger: so if you come here only to say you're fine with fixing your own system for yourself and don't have time to help, I'm not sure this is the right place | 04:50 |
| hunger | raphink: That does not give me the time to help, though:-( | 04:50 |
| raphink | no comment | 04:50 |
| tonio_ | hunger: well, I can understand, but earing "I know how to but won't on kubuntu-DEVEL is a bit hurting | 04:51 |
| tonio_ | ;) | 04:51 |
| tonio_ | #kubuntu is then the right place | 04:51 |
| === raphink loves people who claim they're the best then say they won't help | ||
| hunger | tonio_: You are right and I understand that. | 04:51 |
| tonio_ | hunger: it is like coming on #ubuntu-motu and saying "I'm packaging apps for myself but don't have time to upload on revu" | 04:52 |
| tonio_ | quite the same | 04:52 |
| raphink | hunger: we're trying to find solutions for kubuntu and you're talking about yourself. If you think it's good that we know you're good with cpp, then help with it | 04:52 |
| hunger | tonio_: But please understand me, too: I have very little time and most of my patches got ignored so far. | 04:53 |
| raphink | hunger: if it's just to make us feel we're bad with it and it's not good, then keep quiet please | 04:53 |
| tonio_ | hunger: you're patches won't be ignored by us | 04:53 |
| tonio_ | we want something stable | 04:53 |
| raphink | hunger: patches are not ignored most of the time | 04:53 |
| tonio_ | we are not the kde crew (sorry fot this.....) | 04:53 |
| hunger | tonio_: ... and whatever I fixed I send a patch for, so it is not as if I am keeping my fixes to me. | 04:54 |
| tonio_ | hunger: who ignored your patches ? kubuntu ? | 04:54 |
| hunger | What is wrong with printing by the way? Works fine here. | 04:54 |
| tonio_ | hunger: that's nice to ear ;) | 04:54 |
| raphink | hunger: kdeprint uses a the sock file in /var instead of localhost to contact cups | 04:54 |
| tonio_ | raphink: that's not the trick | 04:54 |
| raphink | tonio_: explain :)= | 04:55 |
| tonio_ | works on my laptop but not on my desktop | 04:55 |
| raphink | ah | 04:55 |
| tonio_ | let me switch to kde :) | 04:55 |
| hunger | tonio_: see #31923, #31924, #32340 and #33034 for timy stuff not looked at so far. | 04:55 |
| tonio_ | coming back | 04:55 |
| hunger | raphink: Shouldn't it use the sock-file?! | 04:55 |
| hunger | raphink: ubuntu has this no-open-ports policy which does include the lo interface for some reason:-( | 04:56 |
| raphink | mhm | 04:56 |
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| hunger | raphink: I changed cups to bind to a port, so I do not have problems with that sock-file;-) | 04:57 |
| raphink | this is not a cups bug though | 04:57 |
| raphink | cause it works in gnome | 04:57 |
| hunger | And what is written in C preprocessor language in kdeprint? It is all C++! | 04:58 |
| raphink | sure | 04:59 |
| raphink | it's c++ | 04:59 |
| hunger | raphink: So why did you claim to have problems with cpp? | 04:59 |
| raphink | don't play with words, will you? | 04:59 |
| raphink | cpp is the extension for c++ files | 05:00 |
| hunger | raphink: Oh... sorry, I am hacking on cpp, the C Preprocessor, not in C++. | 05:00 |
| raphink | good for you | 05:00 |
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| hunger | raphink: Sorry, I misunderstood you there:-| | 05:00 |
| tonio_ | re | 05:00 |
| tonio_ | hunger: ping ? | 05:01 |
| hunger | tonio_: Yes. | 05:01 |
| tonio_ | hunger: want to come on my machine to have a look by yourself ? | 05:01 |
| tonio_ | that's a full "by default" kubuntu dapper | 05:01 |
| hunger | tonio_: Can I? | 05:02 |
| tonio_ | hunger: sure ;) | 05:02 |
| tonio_ | krdc | 05:02 |
| tonio_ | server : tonio.planetemu.net | 05:02 |
| tonio_ | password : hunger | 05:02 |
| hunger | spooky:-) | 05:03 |
| hunger | Seeing both sides of a IRC conversation. | 05:03 |
| tonio_ | I can correct this | 05:03 |
| raphink | hunger: never had two machines before? | 05:03 |
| raphink | hunger: I'll try and make patches for the bugs you fixed | 05:04 |
| tonio_ | hunger: there are two problems | 05:04 |
| hunger | raphink: Thanks! | 05:04 |
| tonio_ | 1/ server address is not correct, should be localhost | 05:04 |
| tonio_ | I can correct this | 05:04 |
| tonio_ | 2/ kdeprint criues when there are no printers installed in cups | 05:05 |
| tonio_ | I can't correct this | 05:05 |
| tonio_ | it tries http://localhost:631/printers/ | 05:05 |
| tonio_ | and of there are no result, error message | 05:05 |
| tonio_ | here is the problem | 05:05 |
| tonio_ | as long as you have a printer in it, it works | 05:05 |
| tonio_ | that mean the kde devel of this didn't even test.............. | 05:06 |
| tonio_ | sounds incredible but that's it | 05:06 |
| tonio_ | hunger: looking at my desktop ? | 05:06 |
| tonio_ | let me show you | 05:06 |
| hunger | tonio_: I bet he did test... with his fully configured server. | 05:06 |
| hunger | tonio_: I am. | 05:06 |
| tonio_ | ok, I've forced my printer installation | 05:08 |
| tonio_ | no more problems, it works | 05:08 |
| tonio_ | so we have 2 bugs | 05:08 |
| tonio_ | I can fix the first | 05:08 |
| tonio_ | but not the second | 05:08 |
| tonio_ | hunger: did you saw exactly what happens ? | 05:09 |
| tonio_ | no printer, complain, with a printer, nice | 05:09 |
| hunger | Let me look... I doubt that I can fix it, but I'll take a look. | 05:09 |
| tonio_ | concerning the server address, I can fix that quite easilly | 05:09 |
| tonio_ | all people that had a working breezy configuration can't see the problem, of course | 05:10 |
| tonio_ | in fact kdeprint doesn't like to connect to a "with no printer" cups | 05:11 |
| hunger | tonio_: I'll try to look into the "no printer cups bug". | 05:12 |
| tonio_ | hunger: thanks very much | 05:12 |
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| tonio_ | I'm looking at the second | 05:12 |
| hunger | tonio_: No promisses! | 05:12 |
| hunger | tonio_: I'll disconnect again. | 05:12 |
| tonio_ | hunger: I know ;) | 05:13 |
| hunger | tonio_: My c++ is pretty rusty... I am hacking on the c preprocessor which is written in C:-) | 05:13 |
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| hunger | tonio_: I'll disconnect again... | 05:13 |
| hunger | Why is kcontrol not used in kubuntu? | 05:17 |
| jpat|away | simplify | 05:17 |
| hunger | The replacement is somewhat stupid in that it can not get resized:-( | 05:17 |
| OculusAquilae | systemsettings is buggy | 05:17 |
| raphink | hunger: here's one : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/31924 | 05:18 |
| hunger | raphink: Thanks for adding a patch. Now that only needs to go into kubuntu... | 05:19 |
| raphink | hunger: there agin, we only have one mail dev to commit the changes... | 05:19 |
| jpat|away | unfortunatly | 05:20 |
| Tm_T | BAH! | 05:20 |
| Tm_T | bah bah bah! | 05:20 |
| Tm_T | "display" thing in kcontrol is still borked | 05:21 |
| hunger | Bah! | 05:21 |
| hunger | "Internal error: (no error)" is a pretty stupid error message:-( | 05:21 |
| Tm_T | =) | 05:22 |
| jpat|away | Does that "ShowOnlyIn=KDE" stuff work? | 05:23 |
| hunger | jpat|away: It does. | 05:25 |
| jpat|away | ok | 05:25 |
| hunger | jpat|away: I wrote a patch for that and riddell applied a even better one at some point;-) | 05:26 |
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| _Sime | Tm_T: That "display" thing should be feeling better once Riddel packages the next bug fix release. | 05:41 |
| _Sime | OculusAquilae: systemsettings is also being debugged. | 05:41 |
| OculusAquilae | _Sime: nice | 05:41 |
| _Sime | hunger: what doesn't resize in systemsettings? | 05:41 |
| _Sime | OculusAquilae: it _really_ needed some attention. | 05:42 |
| OculusAquilae | right, but shipping it with breezy was to my mind a fault | 05:42 |
| _Sime | true. It should have been left in the oven a bit longer. | 05:47 |
| _Sime | (in fact the oven wasn't on. No one has been working on it) | 05:47 |
| jpat|away | this is the fifth time in two minutes that koffice has crashed | 05:50 |
| hunger | Can somebody start the printer setup thingy as administrator? | 05:54 |
| hunger | When switching to administrator mode I get "Could not find module 'printmgr'" | 05:54 |
| hunger | tonio_: I deleted all printers on my printserver. | 05:58 |
| hunger | tonio_: th kprinter thingy pops up a message box but works otherwise... | 05:58 |
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| tonio_ | hunger: yes | 06:00 |
| chris | DCC SEND ?string? 0 0 0 | 06:01 |
| tonio_ | I'm working on that | 06:01 |
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| tonio_ | the "localhost" problem will be released with next version of kubuntu-default-settings | 06:01 |
| hunger | tonio_: How on earth did you get that thingy to work at all? | 06:01 |
| tonio_ | but there is a second one when there is not printer | 06:01 |
| tonio_ | http://localhost:631/printers | 06:01 |
| tonio_ | I assume it tries to parse this html output | 06:01 |
| tonio_ | so maybe the fix is easy to do | 06:01 |
| hunger | tonio_: I can not even have it get into admin mode! | 06:01 |
| tonio_ | hunger: if you discard the error message and install a printer | 06:02 |
| tonio_ | it is working logically | 06:02 |
| tonio_ | it is just a bug when not printer is set in cups | 06:02 |
| hunger | In fact I can not get anything into admin mode now that I am trying that out. | 06:03 |
| tonio_ | hu ? | 06:03 |
| tonio_ | argh | 06:04 |
| tonio_ | systemsettings bug back | 06:04 |
| tonio_ | hunger: right, this is another bug | 06:05 |
| tonio_ | but you are supposed to be able to install a printer without admin mode | 06:06 |
| hunger | tonio_: I am? | 06:06 |
| tonio_ | and then get no error message when starting kdeprint | 06:06 |
| tonio_ | I assume you should be able to as I am | 06:06 |
| Tm_T | _Sime: yay! | 06:08 |
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| hunger | tonio_: FWIW: gnome-cups-manager gives a similar error message on the console... | 06:10 |
| tonio_ | hunger, ah ? | 06:10 |
| hunger | tonio_: You just do not see it there;-) | 06:11 |
| tonio_ | hunger: that's a good news | 06:11 |
| tonio_ | hunger: | 06:11 |
| tonio_ | comment out the line: | 06:11 |
| tonio_ | AuthType Basic | 06:11 |
| tonio_ | in the <Location/admin> section at the bottom of the file (comment out | 06:12 |
| tonio_ | with #'s). Then, restart CUPS. | 06:12 |
| tonio_ | can you try this with me ? | 06:12 |
| tonio_ | hunger: finally that is a gupsd problem, not a kdeprint one | 06:20 |
| tonio_ | good news inf act | 06:20 |
| tonio_ | fact | 06:20 |
| hunger | tonio_: Dunno whether that is a cupsd problem or not. | 06:21 |
| hunger | tonio_: It might just be both apps being too stupid to cope with the error message properly. | 06:22 |
| hunger | tonio_: With gnome using its usual "Do not confuse the user" approach;-) | 06:22 |
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| tonio_ | hunger: yes, poissible | 06:23 |
| tonio_ | the only difference is that gnome is not displaying the error message | 06:23 |
| tonio_ | hack from canonical ? | 06:24 |
| tonio_ | it is not the usual gnome way to hide error messages | 06:24 |
| hunger | tonio_: It is not? That is new for me. | 06:24 |
| tonio_ | hum, maybe yes | 06:24 |
| tonio_ | okay so we need to find a way that cups shits is mouth :) | 06:25 |
| tonio_ | s/shits/shuts | 06:25 |
| tonio_ | or patching kdeprint not to display it also | 06:25 |
| hunger | tonio_: I am just rebuilding a kdenetwork which ignores the errorcode 1030. | 06:26 |
| tonio_ | hunger: let me know what about ;) | 06:27 |
| tonio_ | that could be a good solution | 06:27 |
| hunger | tonio_: Not really good, but maybe acceptable. | 06:27 |
| tonio_ | hunger: same that gnome | 06:28 |
| tonio_ | so acceptable in the ubuntu way to work ;) | 06:28 |
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| === hunger wonders where that 1030 errorcode comes from. | ||
| jpat|away | robotgeek: see my last comment at the kfocus bug | 06:30 |
| hunger | Way to big to be a errorcode for sockets. | 06:30 |
| robotgeek | jpat|away: damn :) | 06:32 |
| tonio_ | hunger: let me aware if it works, then if yes, we will release a patch | 06:34 |
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| Lure | hi all | 06:45 |
| Lure | I was just reading your buggy Dapper discussion - I have to agree | 06:46 |
| Lure | I would just like to point to IRC log of Dapper Dev meeting | 06:46 |
| Lure | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/DapperDev_2006-03-02 | 06:46 |
| Lure | search for cups - you will see Riddell comment | 06:46 |
| Lure | he mentioned that this might be cups 1.1 vs 1.2 API change | 06:47 |
| Lure | and that Kubuntu may require older cups (as kprint developer may not fix in time) | 06:47 |
| tonio_ | hunger any news ? | 06:55 |
| Lure | tonio_: I recall seeing simple config file workaround (maybe by Hobbsee) | 06:55 |
| Lure | but I cannot recall now where (forums, irc, LP...) | 06:55 |
| Lure | something like putting empty printer list somewhere | 06:55 |
| Lure | similar to HTML: <Printer></Printer> | 06:56 |
| tonio_ | Lure: in fact the error message is there with gnome too | 06:56 |
| tonio_ | but gnome-cups-manager doesn't output it | 06:56 |
| tonio_ | ** (gnome-cups-manager:12984): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1030 | 06:57 |
| tonio_ | in the shell | 06:57 |
| tonio_ | a good solution could be to avoid the error message like gnome does | 06:57 |
| tonio_ | and by the way, removing this when resolved | 06:58 |
| tonio_ | Lure: any opinion on this ? | 06:58 |
| Lure | that would be nice workaround (until we get THE fix) | 06:58 |
| tonio_ | Lure: I agree | 06:58 |
| tonio_ | Lure: there where two problems in fact. | 06:59 |
| tonio_ | I have the solution to the first, within kubuntu-default-settings | 06:59 |
| hunger | tonio_: kdebase FTBFS. | 06:59 |
| Lure | localhost? | 06:59 |
| tonio_ | Lure: yes | 06:59 |
| tonio_ | I'm adding localhost to kdeprintrc directly | 06:59 |
| tonio_ | works nice | 06:59 |
| Lure | 2nd one might be /etc/cups/printers.conf hack | 06:59 |
| hunger | tonio_: kdeprint did get build before the failure, but it does not fail on the 1030 error that hits gnome. | 07:00 |
| tonio_ | Lure: the problem is that I can't hack this easilly | 07:00 |
| tonio_ | at least wothout touching ubuntu :) | 07:00 |
| Lure | I do not have clean system anymore - but I suppose something could be put there | 07:00 |
| Lure | or a dummy printer (Print to file?) | 07:00 |
| tonio_ | hunger: okay | 07:00 |
| tonio_ | hum Lure wouldn't it be better to simply fix kdelibs to simply ignore that error ? | 07:02 |
| Lure | I do not know KDE code - so I am not sure how easy this would be | 07:03 |
| tonio_ | Lure: yes, understand that ;) same for me I must say | 07:03 |
| tonio_ | but I'm gonna investigate | 07:03 |
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| Lure | raphink: were you the initial packager of kpowersave for ubuntu? | 07:27 |
| Lure | (I have seen your update of it today) | 07:27 |
| tonio_ | trying a patch on kdelibs......... | 07:34 |
| tonio_ | not correcting anything, but supposed to avoid the error message, as gnome does | 07:34 |
| tonio_ | it is better than nothing......... | 07:35 |
| hunger | tonio_: ? | 07:35 |
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| tonio_ | hunger: the error message is send by kdelibs | 07:36 |
| hunger | tonio_: Yes. I am building a debug-version with some more output right at this moment. | 07:36 |
| tonio_ | hunger: of kdelibs ? thanks for this ;) | 07:36 |
| tonio_ | nice idea :) | 07:37 |
| hunger | tonio_: My guess is that the request is empty which is considered to be a error. | 07:37 |
| tonio_ | yes, I too | 07:37 |
| tonio_ | but not sure, because we can see it tries to connect for a long time | 07:37 |
| tonio_ | let me show you something | 07:37 |
| tonio_ | the error message is outputed by this : | 07:37 |
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| raphink | Lure: to I was no the initial packager | 07:38 |
| === hunger wants his compile farm back! | ||
| hunger | Compiling C++ is a pita! | 07:39 |
| raphink | tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/23007/ encore un vieux bug pourri qui traine depuis 6 mois | 07:39 |
| raphink | Lure: no I was not the initial packager | 07:39 |
| raphink | Lure: and yes I have updated it with a fix | 07:39 |
| Lure | raphink: OK, we were discussing yesterday to request UVF | 07:40 |
| Lure | and were wondering which MOTU did upload it for the first time | 07:40 |
| raphink | Lure: ah, well sure | 07:40 |
| raphink | Lure: it doesn't matter who uploaded the first time | 07:40 |
| tonio_ | hunger: KMMainView::slotUpdatePossible( bool flag ) | 07:41 |
| tonio_ | here is the function that outputs this | 07:41 |
| hunger | tonio_: As I see it the problem is raised by IppRequest::doFileRequest returning false. | 07:42 |
| hunger | tonio_: Which it does on this condition: (!request_ || request_->state == IPP_ERROR || (request_->request.stat | 07:43 |
| hunger | us.status_code & 0x0F00)) | 07:43 |
| hunger | My guess is that request_ is NULL at this point... | 07:43 |
| tonio_ | yes | 07:44 |
| tonio_ | cups outputs nothing, exactly ;) | 07:44 |
| tonio_ | hunger: that's a bit too complicated for me, because of cpp :) | 07:45 |
| tonio_ | hunger: do you feel able to patch it in a certain way ? | 07:45 |
| hunger | tonio_: C++;-) | 07:45 |
| hunger | tonio_: Don't know yet. We'll see. | 07:45 |
| tonio_ | oki | 07:45 |
| tonio_ | raphink: ho damn | 07:46 |
| raphink | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117455 | 07:46 |
| hunger | tonio_: My C++ is mostly unused for the last couple of years, so I can't promise anything. | 07:46 |
| tonio_ | hunger: you are trying, that's nice ;) | 07:46 |
| raphink | l'est bien con lui ... il confond kcontrol et systemsettings | 07:47 |
| hunger | raphink: See? I am trying;-) | 07:47 |
| raphink | sure :) | 07:47 |
| hunger | raphink: and that even though I mistook your cpp for the c preprocessor which I know way more about than c++:-) | 07:47 |
| raphink | ;) | 07:48 |
| tonio_ | raphink prefer to insults in french ;) | 07:48 |
| raphink | lol | 07:48 |
| tonio_ | hehe | 07:48 |
| hunger | tonio_: That is fine with me... my french is so bad that I won't get that:-) | 07:48 |
| tonio_ | well, that's an ungly bug | 07:48 |
| tonio_ | hunger, nice to ear that !!! | 07:49 |
| hunger | my last grade in french was "did not participate";-) | 07:49 |
| tonio_ | hunger c'est un gros payday ! | 07:49 |
| tonio_ | lol | 07:49 |
| raphink | roooh | 07:49 |
| tonio_ | hunger: french is an horribly complicated language anyway | 07:49 |
| tonio_ | raphink: kidding of course ;) | 07:49 |
| hunger | tonio_: I can always show my wife. She is my universal translator:-) | 07:49 |
| raphink | tonio_: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117455 bam | 07:50 |
| tonio_ | hunger, please don't ;) | 07:50 |
| tonio_ | hihi | 07:50 |
| hunger | tonio_: NOW I am curious! | 07:50 |
| tonio_ | hunger: lol | 07:50 |
| tonio_ | she might not understand anyway ;) | 07:51 |
| tonio_ | raphink: how could such a bug still exist in 3.5.1 ? | 07:51 |
| tonio_ | that is the evidence of one thing | 07:51 |
| raphink | tonio_: it seems to be linked to the debian package | 07:51 |
| tonio_ | the kde debugging activity is a shame | 07:51 |
| raphink | tonio_: I'm looking at it now | 07:51 |
| tonio_ | raphink: ah ? | 07:51 |
| tonio_ | okay sorry then ;) | 07:51 |
| hunger | tonio_: She is damn good with languages... speaks 7 different languages and understands a couple more. | 07:51 |
| raphink | tonio_: this bug appears only on debian sid and ubuntu | 07:51 |
| tonio_ | we need to look at the package then | 07:52 |
| tonio_ | crappy patch or something | 07:52 |
| raphink | hmm seems all the patches are from kubuntu though | 07:52 |
| tonio_ | raphink: argh.......... | 07:53 |
| raphink | and debian has a newer version | 07:53 |
| tonio_ | the problem could be the build system then......... | 07:53 |
| tonio_ | raphink: uvf exception ? | 07:53 |
| tonio_ | ;) | 07:53 |
| raphink | IF the new debian version works, sure | 07:53 |
| tonio_ | we should try tu sync the new debian package | 07:54 |
| raphink | that I'm going to test now ;) | 07:54 |
| tonio_ | raphink: cool ;) | 07:54 |
| raphink | if it's not fixed in debian yet, there's no reason to sync | 07:54 |
| tonio_ | I'm closing the bug for cups and localhost | 07:54 |
| tonio_ | resolved | 07:54 |
| raphink | ah? | 07:54 |
| tonio_ | raphink: kdeprint doesn't cry with "unable to connect to host" | 07:55 |
| tonio_ | this is the purpose of that bug, although you pointed another problem | 07:55 |
| tonio_ | the original message is that, and that is resolved | 07:56 |
| tonio_ | so I think it should be closed | 07:56 |
| tonio_ | and maybe you should create a new one | 07:56 |
| tonio_ | raphink: your feeling on this ? | 07:57 |
| raphink | wait I'm on the k3b bug | 07:57 |
| tonio_ | k | 07:57 |
| robotgeek | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-March/005396.html | 07:58 |
| raphink | ok the bug is not set | 07:58 |
| raphink | fixed | 07:58 |
| robotgeek | all are welcome to comment :) | 07:58 |
| tonio_ | raphink: do you ask for uvh then ? | 07:59 |
| tonio_ | uvfe | 07:59 |
| raphink | tonio_: no since it's not fixed in debian | 07:59 |
| raphink | I don't see why I would ask for a uvf ;) | 07:59 |
| tonio_ | oh not fixed | 07:59 |
| tonio_ | strange issue | 07:59 |
| tonio_ | pbuilder issue ? | 07:59 |
| jpat|away | robotgeek: cool | 08:02 |
| raphink | il est SUPER crade le paquet k3b tonio_ | 08:02 |
| robotgeek | jpat|away: still a few incomplete sections, i should hopefully finish them this week | 08:03 |
| tonio_ | raphink | 08:03 |
| tonio_ | le refaire ? | 08:03 |
| raphink | tonio_: bof | 08:03 |
| jpat|away | robotgeek: I would help but I've got a stack of work and some things to sort out | 08:03 |
| raphink | tonio_: je vais tenter de refaire un paquet propre vite fait voir si a rsoud le problme | 08:04 |
| tonio_ | raphink: k | 08:04 |
| robotgeek | jpat|away: sure, no problem. i would appreciate comments on something i have wrong there | 08:05 |
| tonio_ | raphink: ptant ca doit pas tre mega complik a packager k3b......... | 08:05 |
| robotgeek | jpat|away: if you've got the time :) | 08:05 |
| tonio_ | quelques dependances et basta | 08:05 |
| jpat|away | robotgeek: :) | 08:07 |
| tonio_ | raphink: je retrouve pas le bug kdeprint sur launchpad | 08:07 |
| tonio_ | serieux je dois mal m'y prendre, mais malone, j'ai du mal | 08:08 |
| raphink | tonio_: va sur ma page, section bugs, subscribed | 08:08 |
| tonio_ | k | 08:08 |
| tonio_ | mais par la recherche c le bordel | 08:08 |
| hunger | tonio_: You are visiting a brothel?! | 08:12 |
| hunger | tonio_: Or did I misunderstand that french? | 08:12 |
| hunger | How do I enable the debug output of stuff in kde? | 08:13 |
| jpat|away | gdb? | 08:14 |
| hunger | jpat|away: There is some gui app to set the outputlevel of kde apps. | 08:15 |
| jpat|away | hmm | 08:15 |
| tonio_ | hunger: you missunderstood I think :) | 08:17 |
| jpat|away | je ne sais pas | 08:18 |
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| raphink | wow about 3cm of snow on my balcony! | 08:23 |
| jpat|away | wicked! | 08:26 |
| hunger | Can I run the control-center modules directly? | 08:28 |
| hunger | I do not get any output even though I turned it on with kdebugdialog. | 08:30 |
| tonio_ | hunger: no idea........; | 08:32 |
| hunger | tonio_: proper kdebugdialog settings would be cool for kdefaultsettings;-) | 08:35 |
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| tonio_ | hunger: what's the problem with it ? | 08:37 |
| tonio_ | hunger ping ? | 08:42 |
| hunger | tonio_: Was in #kde-devel to find out how to get debug output. | 08:43 |
| tonio_ | hunger: oki ;) what do you mean about k-d-s and kdebugdialog ? | 08:43 |
| tonio_ | is it possible to control or remove error messages via a simple setting ? | 08:44 |
| hunger | tonio_: Maybe make everything log important stuff into a logfile or so. | 08:44 |
| tonio_ | hunger: will think about that for dapper+1 :) | 08:45 |
| tonio_ | but it is a big work, and we certainly have too much to do for dapper actually | 08:45 |
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| jpat|away | hello allee, JRe | 09:29 |
| allee | hi jpat|away | 09:30 |
| tonio_ | allee: hi ;) | 09:30 |
| === hunger waits for kdelibs to build. | ||
| jpat|away | oh fun | 09:31 |
| tonio_ | allee: I tried to revu your kdissert package | 09:31 |
| tonio_ | but there is a problem with it, all folders are dead......... | 09:31 |
| allee | tonio_: Oh, strange! | 09:31 |
| tonio_ | allee: yes | 09:31 |
| allee | tonio_: I never used kdissert before so I just started / closed it. | 09:32 |
| tonio_ | although, because it is in our case not debian synced, I think it should be numbered 2ubuntu2 | 09:32 |
| tonio_ | allee: it is not concerned by freezes, so I can upload it directly | 09:32 |
| tonio_ | I'm just not fine with the versioning in fact | 09:33 |
| tonio_ | allee: what's your opinion ? | 09:33 |
| allee | tonio_: I'll check what I used | 09:33 |
| tonio_ | allee: okay | 09:33 |
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| allee | tonio_: ah, I just s/1$/2$/. Well, I don't care. Whatever is more correct, choose it | 09:35 |
| tonio_ | allee: I've resolved 50% of the kdeprint problems | 09:35 |
| tonio_ | the other is a code bug, not a config one, and requires patch to the sources.... | 09:35 |
| tonio_ | hunger is looking at it | 09:35 |
| tonio_ | allee: just that because it is an ubuntu version now, the versioning should probably be set to 2ubuntu1 | 09:36 |
| tonio_ | sounds logic | 09:36 |
| tonio_ | first port of the second debian version | 09:36 |
| tonio_ | with a changelog and a patch :) | 09:36 |
| jpat|away | yep | 09:36 |
| allee | tonio_: fine with me. I submitted the changes also to debian and the maintainer uploaded them already | 09:36 |
| tonio_ | allee: nice, it'll get synced with dapper+1 | 09:36 |
| tonio_ | allee, tell me when on revu, I will revu and upload | 09:37 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: no news for *netswitch ? | 09:37 |
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| jpat|away | tonio_: probably still stuck in NEW like everything else | 09:37 |
| allee | tonio_: so just a version change? What about the dead folders? | 09:38 |
| tonio_ | elmo will die when opening the NEW queue | 09:38 |
| tonio_ | well upload like this and we will see what happens on revu ;) | 09:38 |
| tonio_ | the link are dead on the revyu page | 09:38 |
| tonio_ | I couldn't download the package | 09:38 |
| allee | when the sees codeine, he will be excited :) :) | 09:38 |
| allee | 'k | 09:38 |
| tonio_ | I assume the strange versioning can cause a revu bug | 09:39 |
| tonio_ | allee: when is the meeting ? | 09:39 |
| tonio_ | I cannot miss it to support you ! | 09:39 |
| allee | tonio_: next tuesday 12.00 UTC | 09:40 |
| allee | tonio_: and thx | 09:40 |
| === jpat|away wish he could too | ||
| tonio_ | allee: that's the minimum I can do | 09:40 |
| tonio_ | that'll be good this time, and then MOTU next week ! | 09:41 |
| jpat|away | tonio_: I was member one day, MOTU the next :P | 09:41 |
| tonio_ | I know | 09:41 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: any news for moodin ? | 09:43 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: sorry for sayuing this, but I really think about making a port of that theme to the standard engine....... | 09:43 |
| jpat|away | oh bugger | 09:44 |
| jpat|away | I forgot | 09:44 |
| allee | tonio_: I doubt that my traces in (k)ubuntu will be enough for MOTU | 09:44 |
| tonio_ | well we have major issues actually with moodin | 09:44 |
| tonio_ | allee: could be I think.......; | 09:44 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: it doesn't support utf8 | 09:44 |
| jpat|away | woah | 09:44 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: doesn't support i18n | 09:44 |
| tonio_ | jpat|away: depends on a fix background wich causes issues with non 1280x1024 resolutions | 09:45 |
| tonio_ | that hudge issues | 09:45 |
| allee | kdissert upload finished, with just 2build2 -> 2ubuntu2 changed | 09:45 |
| jpat|away | I know | 09:45 |
| allee | I'll build and try to use kdissert ... | 09:45 |
| tonio_ | allee: nice ;) | 09:45 |
| tonio_ | allee: revuing when online | 09:46 |
| tonio_ | allee: we have to work on that bullshit systemapplet this WE don't you think ? | 09:47 |
| tonio_ | it make it completly unusable to my view | 09:47 |
| tonio_ | it shouldn't be so hard | 09:48 |
| tonio_ | we just have to avoid the url switching in the system:/ kio | 09:48 |
| tonio_ | the main problem will be to find THE file to patch ;) | 09:49 |
| allee | tonio: which system applet? | 09:50 |
| tonio_ | kde system applet | 09:50 |
| tonio_ | using the kio system:/ | 09:50 |
| tonio_ | in fact we have to patch the kio itself | 09:50 |
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| allee | uh | 09:51 |
| tonio_ | allee: you know, that "copy to tmp" issue using system:/ in konq | 09:51 |
| hunger | tonio_: It would have been great if the kdelibs debug debs actually had debugging enabled:-( | 09:51 |
| tonio_ | hunger: argh....... indeed | 09:51 |
| jpat|away | I think there aer | 09:51 |
| hunger | tonio_: Ours don't: They got the symbols (I think) but all the kde debug stuff is disabled:-( | 09:52 |
| tonio_ | hunger: well, you should probably talk with Riddell about that....... not of my knowledge | 09:52 |
| allee | hunger: -deb pkgs are just there to get a useful stacktrace | 09:53 |
| allee | -dbg that is | 09:53 |
| jpat|away | I'm going | 09:55 |
| hunger | allee: Oh great. So we can basically leave them IMHO. You will need to rebuild them anyway when debugging:-( | 09:56 |
| allee | hunger: the -dbg stuff is handy when users report crashes and one wants a useful stacktrace. so keeping them can be useful | 09:57 |
| hunger | allee: There are no -dbg of the apps themselves, so I doubt that. | 09:58 |
| tonio_ | allee: have you seen kate is now back to monosession mode ? | 09:59 |
| tonio_ | ;) | 09:59 |
| tonio_ | took me long but that's done | 09:59 |
| hunger | tonio_: Hey, stop turning KDE into gnome! | 09:59 |
| allee | No, I have not updated since thurday (only 64 k until monday) | 09:59 |
| hunger | tonio_: Which reminds me: Do you know "SimpleKDE"? Apparently they are trying to do a simpler KDE... | 10:00 |
| allee | Argl, kids refuse to got to bed. bbl | 10:00 |
| tonio_ | hunger: heard about it, but I though it was a kind of joke | 10:01 |
| hunger | tonio_: They are based on stable KDE, so maybe they are fixing bugs. | 10:01 |
| tonio_ | I mean the guys have been described as "people that are going to something they don't know" | 10:01 |
| tonio_ | but that was a while ago | 10:01 |
| hunger | tonio_: Only saw a interview on osnews about them. I have no idea about the project at all. | 10:02 |
| hunger | Just wanted to mention it. | 10:02 |
| tonio_ | hunger: looking at the screenshots, looks nice | 10:04 |
| tonio_ | although there are even less options than in gnome hehe | 10:05 |
| tonio_ | but could be nice for a child for example | 10:05 |
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| hunger | no | 10:05 |
| hunger | tonio_: Please do not use it then;-) | 10:05 |
| tonio_ | hunger: WHY SHOULD i ? ;) | 10:05 |
| tonio_ | oups | 10:05 |
| hunger | tonio_: You seem to be in a feature removal frenzy! ;-) | 10:09 |
| tonio_ | hunger ? never | 10:10 |
| tonio_ | where did I say removing features was good ? | 10:10 |
| hunger | tonio_: single-session for kate, etc. | 10:11 |
| tonio_ | I just think that could be a good base for child oriented distro | 10:11 |
| tonio_ | hunger: single session for kate is "backing to something usable" | 10:11 |
| tonio_ | this session management is a shame | 10:11 |
| tonio_ | do you prefer to have 4 files in 4 kates | 10:12 |
| tonio_ | or 4 files in the same ? | 10:12 |
| hunger | tonio_: I'd much prefer if you could change the coler of those buttons all around kate. | 10:12 |
| tonio_ | removing a bad feature is not linking features removing :) | 10:12 |
| hunger | tonio_: I only ever have 1 kate. | 10:12 |
| tonio_ | hunger: well, test a dapper flight 4 by default and you'll see..........; | 10:12 |
| tonio_ | monosession mode doesn't exist anymore | 10:13 |
| tonio_ | double click a file, kate opens | 10:13 |
| hunger | tonio_: Does flight 4 have different colors? | 10:13 |
| tonio_ | doubleclick another, another kate opens | 10:13 |
| tonio_ | hunger: I don't think so | 10:13 |
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| tonio_ | claydoh: it will be single session | 10:13 |
| hunger | tonio_: Damn. What were they thinking when doing that color theme? | 10:13 |
| tonio_ | claydoh: if you have an update dapper, remove katerc in your profile | 10:14 |
| tonio_ | should work | 10:14 |
| claydoh | already fixed :) | 10:14 |
| hunger | tonio_: Tabs get lighter when active, those buttons get darker. | 10:14 |
| tonio_ | claydoh: did you ? | 10:14 |
| tonio_ | cause if you have a better hack than mine, I would appreciate | 10:14 |
| hunger | tonio_: And then there are usually 2 buttons on the side only, so it is really hard to notice that things are inverse then with tabs. | 10:15 |
| claydoh | i edited the .desktop file somewhere..... | 10:15 |
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| tonio_ | claydoh: added --use into it ? | 10:16 |
| tonio_ | that's the way I did it for dapper | 10:16 |
| tonio_ | + katerc configured in k-d-s | 10:16 |
| claydoh | yes | 10:16 |
| tonio_ | okay | 10:16 |
| claydoh | I actually had to ask in the forums how to change it :) | 10:17 |
| tonio_ | claydoh: I simply read the man :) | 10:19 |
| tonio_ | but it took long to find the good option | 10:19 |
| hunger | tonio_: That's cheating! | 10:19 |
| hunger | tonio_: You should read the source, man! ;-) | 10:20 |
| tonio_ | hunger: have you seen the kate sources ? | 10:20 |
| tonio_ | it is hudge | 10:20 |
| hunger | tonio_: Nope. | 10:20 |
| hunger | tonio_: I tend not to read kde sources except when people like raphink force me. | 10:21 |
| tonio_ | hunger: anyway it is fixed lol | 10:21 |
| tonio_ | hunger: but we love you for doing it ;) | 10:21 |
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| allee | tonio_: when I print, after the print dialog is closed I have a jumping printer icons next to the cursor. | 10:23 |
| tonio_ | allee: hu ? | 10:24 |
| allee | acutally it is like this for several weeks | 10:24 |
| tonio_ | strange | 10:24 |
| tonio_ | but kde crew will call that a feature maybe ;) | 10:24 |
| allee | :) Looks like it waits for an app to start that never comes up and timeouts after some time | 10:25 |
| claydoh | well, for me the man page and help were not too clear for me, never occured to look at the desktop file :) | 10:25 |
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| tonio_ | allee: I think I have the solution for the kio system ;) | 10:26 |
| tonio_ | cooooooool :) | 10:26 |
| allee | great! | 10:26 |
| tonio_ | ./kio_system.cpp, rewriteURL function | 10:26 |
| tonio_ | I just need to make it not changing the URL :) | 10:26 |
| hunger | tonio_: ? | 10:27 |
| tonio_ | hunger ? | 10:27 |
| hunger | tonio_: What problem is there with the kio system? | 10:28 |
| tonio_ | hunger, try to open a big file, like an avi of a big log file with kate......... | 10:29 |
| tonio_ | pain in the ass "feature", once more with kde 3.5 | 10:29 |
| tonio_ | was working nicely before, and they added that horrible change in the kio | 10:29 |
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