[12:03] <ryanakca> how do you install splashy without having to uninstall kubuntu desktop?
[12:04] <ttread> wimpies, on mine the resolution looks correct but if I go into the dialog to change it it shows the wrong value
[12:04] <ryanakca> btw... I'm trying to install this theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24760
[12:05] <wimpies> I am going to recover my breezy X configuration and install the fglrx driver and see what that gives
[12:06] <ttread> I always seem to end up editing xorg.conf by hand anyways
[12:09] <zax1> i have nautilus installed( i think)
[12:10] <zax1> i searched for all files with that name, and tryed runing the program, does it need any special attention, or jsut clicking it should run it, cuz i get all sorts of messages but no actual running program
[12:11] <zax1> am i missing something ?
[12:11] <ttread> zax1, nautilus is the file manager for Gnome - not usually used on KDE, and I'm not sure it would work
[12:12] <zax1> oh.... i looked on adept for a cd burner utility
[12:12] <zax1> and that came up
[12:12] <zax1> it had a sexy name, so installed it
[12:12] <fatejudger> zax1: k3b
[12:12] <zax1> k3b ?
[12:12] <fatejudger> zax1: k3b
[12:12] <zax1> would that do dvd and cds ?
[12:12] <ttread> It's true, nautilus does burn CDs, but k3b is better and is included in Kubuntu
[12:12] <fatejudger> zax1: it should already be installed
[12:12] <ttread> k3b is on the multimedia menu
[12:13] <ttread> it does burn dvds and cds
[12:13] <zax1> wil lgive it a go
[12:13] <zax1> many thanks again
[12:13] <ryanakca> how do you install "splashy" without having to uninstall "kubuntu-desktop"?  btw, I'm trying to install this splash screen: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24760
[12:15] <zax1> right . looks fantastic
[12:15] <zax1> thanks guys
[12:15] <zax1> i am in your debt
[12:15] <wimpies> zax1 : and even better while you are burning something your linux system can still be used wherease windows generally is too busy
[12:15] <ttread> k3b is really good, have fun
[12:15] <zax1> if you live in the UK, maybe i can repay you
[12:16] <zax1> http://1564.tchosts3.net
[12:16] <zax1> let me know
[12:16] <zax1> off i go
[12:16] <zax1> thanks, and bye
[12:17] <atidem> hi folks
[12:17] <atidem> I have a problem
[12:18] <atidem> cant create a table when use date type in mysql
[12:18] <atidem> I receive a sintax error
[12:18] <atidem> is it a bug?
[12:18] <atidem> or something else?
[12:20] <brsseb> hi fellow (k)ubuntulovers. i got most of it working now, only one problem left. external VGA out on my laptop.
[12:20] <brsseb> it works, but only at a very low resolution
[12:20] <ttread> atidem, this is not really a mysql forum, but my guess is you've made a typo or otherwise got the syntax messed up
[12:20] <brsseb> how do i make it support a larger display?
[12:21] <atidem> ttread: create table test( date test_date);
[12:21] <atidem> with this simple test I receive a sintax error
[12:22] <brsseb> atidem: dont the name of the datatype come before the type itself?, like CREATE TABLE test ( mydate DATE) ;?
[12:23] <atidem> brsseb: nope
[12:24] <ryanakca> atidem: its written like this: create table test(test_date date);   on http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-sql/2004-01/msg00064.php
[12:24] <ryanakca> atidem: never mind
[12:24] <ryanakca> atidem: You never saw that... that is postgresql... my bad
[12:25] <ryanakca> atidem: best thing I can suggest is trying in #mysql
[12:25] <atidem> i'm on chan yet
[12:25] <atidem> thanks
[12:25] <ryanakca> kk
[12:25] <ryanakca> bbl
[12:25] <wimpies> what it the main archive for kubuntu ? be.archive.unbuntu.com seems to be missing files
[12:32] <ttread> atidem, have you tried create table test( test_date date);   ?   From what I'm seeing in the mysql documentation it seems that the column name comes before the datatype
[12:32] <atidem> ttread: yes
[12:32] <atidem> it works now
[12:32] <atidem> strange error
[12:32] <atidem> I tried before and did work
[12:32] <atidem> not
[12:32] <atidem> *
[12:33] <ttread> Ok
[12:33] <atidem> in standard sql sintax is DATE IDENTIFIER
[12:34] <ttread> I'm looking at this page: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/create-table.html
[12:34] <ttread> It's confusing because they don't give simple examples but seems to be  (identifier type)
[12:35] <atidem> yes
[12:35] <atidem> I downloaded the same doc in chm format
[12:35] <atidem> and no nice example to understand it
[12:36] <atidem> I have to go now
[12:36] <atidem> ttread: thanks
[12:36] <atidem> bye
[12:36] <ttread> atidem , you're welcome, bye
[12:38] <Crashoveride> anyone wanna tell me how to install php4?
[12:39] <_B_> is there anyone using crypto on file system ?
[12:40] <ttread> Crashoveride: apt-get install php4
[12:41] <Crashoveride> does kubuntu have a ftp or http host built in?
[12:42] <bufalo_1973> hello
[12:43] <ttread> Crashoveride, you can install both from the repositories
[12:43] <Crashoveride> kk
[12:44] <Crashoveride> eeer how do I update my counterstrike server?
[12:44] <ttread> can't help you with that one
[12:44] <Crashoveride> ok
[12:44] <Crashoveride> brb
[12:48] <Crashoveride> ok so how would i setup a ftp server?
[12:49] <ttread> Crashoveride, I haven't done that but you can look in the repositories, I know there are several available
[12:50] <Crashoveride> um i only have ever used konsole
[12:51] <ttread> Crashoveride, sudo aptitude search ftp
[12:52] <ryanakca> how do you install "splashy" without having to uninstall "kubuntu-desktop"?  btw, I'm trying to install this splash screen: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24760
[12:52] <ttread> or even better, sudo aptitude search ftp | grep server
[12:54] <Crashoveride> k
[12:55] <ttread> ryanakca, System settings - Desktop - Splash Screen?
[12:55] <Crashoveride> ok installing thanks
[12:56] <ryanakca> ttread: http://24.226.20.171/~ryan/README      that's the readme for installing it
[12:58] <Crashoveride> how do i set my account as root?
[12:58] <incinerator> Crashoveride: I would recommend proftpd
[12:58] <incinerator> default config gives access to each user's home directory by default, and the rest is easily done by checking out the sample configs and reading documentation
[12:58] <incinerator> many howtos in the net, as well
[12:59] <Crashoveride> for proftpd shud i use standalone or inetd
[12:59] <ryanakca> ttread: any ideas?
[12:59] <ttread> ryanakca, take a look at http://www.kde-look.org/comments/discussion.php?id=2&forumpage=27#c134041
[12:59] <incinerator> Crashoverride: or this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PureFTP
[01:00] <ttread> other than that, I haven't done it so can't tell you, sorry
[01:01] <ryanakca> ttread: thats a kdm theme instalation...
[01:01] <federico> hi  there everyone! :)
[01:02] <ttread> ryanakca, Splashy is a theme , or at least that's what it says
[01:02] <incinerator> bah, pureadmin is in universe, but pureftpd isn't ???
[01:02] <Celeste> hi
[01:02] <federico> hi Celeste!
[01:04] <incinerator> oh, it is
[01:04] <incinerator> Crashoveride: no need to download that package from the forums, it is in universe...
[01:04] <callie> can anyone recommend a good kde FTP client?
[01:04] <incinerator> I use nfcftp, it's console but nice
[01:04] <Celeste> Is it dangerous anyhow to install GNOME on  Kubuntu?    Someone told me it could destroy my system - Is this true?
[01:04] <incinerator> ^ncftp
[01:05] <bufalo_1973> callie, which clients have you used until now?
[01:05] <incinerator> Celeste, no everything should be fine
[01:05] <Celeste> incinerator, what do I need to install?    only   aptitude install gnome    or something special?
[01:05] <callie> bufalo_1973, none in kde, normally just use command line bufalo_1973
[01:05] <bufalo_1973> callie, try kbear or konqueror
[01:06] <bufalo_1973> I know there are others, but...
[01:06] <ttread> callie, gFTP works fine in KDE
[01:06] <callie> i like to use native apps if possible ttread
[01:07] <incinerator> Celeste: you can use aptitude, but sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do just fine
[01:07] <incinerator> I'll give you no guarantee your pc won't explode, though ;-)
[01:07] <Celeste> incinerator, what is the difference between  1)  "apt-get install gnome"   and  2)   "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"  ?
[01:08] <brsseb> anyone know how to enable the VGA out on laptops when the external display screen size is larger than the laptops? :)
[01:08] <bufalo_1973> incinerator, apt-get install = aptitude install
[01:08] <brsseb> 1024x768 looks naassty on a dell 24" (1920x1200)
[01:08] <incinerator> bufalo_1973: I'll always load aptitude's frontend first before I do anything....
[01:09] <Celeste> the question is:  What is the difference between  "ubuntu-desktop"    and   "gnome"  ?
[01:09] <incinerator> yeah, just checking
[01:09] <bufalo_1973> ok, incinerator, but using "aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" is the same than "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[01:09] <incinerator> indeed, bufalo_1973, indeed
[01:09] <Tm_T> Celeste: ubuntu-desktop gives ubuntu artwork and other ubuntu specialities, gnome gives only gnome stuff
[01:10] <Crashoveride> haha
[01:10] <ryanakca> ttread: splashy is simmilar to usplash... I thought it was a splash screen for when kde was loading
[01:10] <incinerator> Tm_T: thanks....
[01:10] <Tm_T> Celeste: also, gnome meatpackage will give "all" about gnome, propably lot more than you wan't
[01:10] <ryanakca> anybody know of themes for usplash?
[01:11] <Celeste> Tm_T, what would you suggest?
[01:11] <Celeste> Tm_T, is it dangerous to install that much software from ubuntu?
[01:11] <Tm_T> Celeste: to stick with KDE =)
[01:11] <Celeste> I am  kinda afraid of this  ubuntu-desktop
[01:11] <Tm_T> haha
[01:11] <Celeste> it it as good as installing gnome?
[01:11] <Tm_T> better
[01:12] <Celeste> hm
[01:12] <Celeste> are you op?
[01:12] <ttread> ok ryanakca
[01:12] <bufalo_1973> Celeste, is gnome with ubuntu "extras"
[01:12] <incinerator> Celeste: ubuntu-desktop will give you the same experience as a normal ubuntu-install, whereas the gnome package might not
[01:12] <brsseb> talking about Ubuntu. anyone know how i can install JUST "gedit"? its such a handy little text editor :)
[01:12] <bufalo_1973> brsseb:
[01:12] <incinerator> id's say ubuntu-desktop is less likely to break anything than gnome
[01:12] <Crashoveride> how do I unpack/Install a .tar.gz
[01:12] <bufalo_1973> brsseb, apt-get install gedit
[01:12] <Tm_T> brsseb: kedit ;)
[01:12] <incinerator> and all the xyz-desktop package should coexist peacefully...
[01:12] <crweb> brsseb: well, you would need the things gedit depends on. so "just gedit" wouldn't do you any good with out gtk, adn stuff
[01:12] <Celeste> incinerator:  what extra stuff will I get?
[01:12] <Tm_T> Celeste: yes I am, what about it?
[01:13] <Celeste> Tm_T, so I can belive you more *g*
[01:13] <crweb> brsseb: so you just need to apt-get it.  apt-get will install exactly what is needed,  not more
[01:13] <brsseb> kedit: command not found :|
[01:13] <incinerator> you can check that in aptitude
[01:13] <Tm_T> Celeste: erh... ok
[01:13] <crweb> brsseb: apt-get install kedit kate
[01:13] <crweb> brsseb: i like kate
[01:13] <Tm_T> Kate <3
[01:14] <brsseb> it cant seem to find the packages, not gedit nor gedit
[01:14] <incinerator> Celeste, in aptitude you can list the dependencies, all the currently unsatisfied dependencies are marked in red colour
[01:14] <brsseb> do i have to do something with the repository urls after installing?
[01:14] <bufalo_1973> brsseb, try aptitude search gedit
[01:14] <Celeste> ok I will install ubuntu-desktop  now
[01:14] <Celeste> thank you incinerator  and Tm_T
[01:14] <Celeste> if it does not work ... I will come back ;-)
[01:15] <Celeste> and if it works ... I will also come back *g*
[01:15] <callie> god damn geocities sucks
[01:15] <crweb> geocities still exists?
[01:15] <crweb> wow
[01:15] <Celeste> geocities still exists?
[01:15] <Celeste> LOL
[01:15] <ryanakca> callie: install apache :)
[01:15] <Celeste> crweb  ;)
[01:15] <brydenn> k guys i'm back and still need help figured out how to mount my slave windows HD
[01:15] <brsseb> ohhnno..gnome is invading my lovely KDE distro!!
[01:15] <brydenn> wanna get the mp3s off of it :)
[01:16] <callie> ryanakca, i dont think that will help me in this instance
[01:16] <brsseb> a bunch of gnome-packages came down the pipe
[01:16] <Tm_T> Good night folks, stay in peace ->
[01:22] <Celeste> re
[01:22] <Celeste> Tm_T?
[01:23] <incinerator> wow, install done already?
[01:23] <Celeste> incinerator!  cool you are here
[01:23] <Celeste> I need you help please
[01:23] <incinerator> go ahead
[01:23] <Celeste> when I want to start the installation of  "ubuntu-desktop" I am beeing told that the follwing package will be REMOVED
[01:23] <Celeste> libesd0
[01:23] <Celeste> ... whats do you say?
[01:23] <incinerator> that's ok
[01:23] <Celeste> then its fine with me too
[01:24] <incinerator> as long as it doesn't say any packages are broken that will be ok...
[01:24] <Celeste> thank you!
[01:24] <Celeste> will come back soon!
[01:24] <Celeste> 10 mins or so
[01:24] <incinerator> sure...
[01:28] <Crashoveride> any one here not use linux because they game?>
[01:29] <incinerator> yup, I play nethack ggg
[01:30] <incinerator> many games available for linux though...
[01:30] <Crashoveride> i know
[01:30] <incinerator> http://happypenguin.org/
[01:30] <bufalo_1973> Crashoveride, "not use linux" should be "not use only linux" ;)
[01:30] <incinerator> oh, that's me, as well ggg
[01:30] <incinerator> bloody pacificpoker.com client doesn't run with wine yet
[01:31] <Crashoveride> but what i have come by using no machine to pull over my linux form my server =P
[01:31] <JohnFlux> good,anyone that plays poker deserves to use windows :P
[01:31] <cenobyte> is SLI supported for kubuntu
[01:31] <cenobyte> ?
[01:31] <Crashoveride> lol why wud u need SLI?
[01:31] <cenobyte> quake 4
[01:31] <Crashoveride> o
[01:31] <Crashoveride> right
[01:32] <Crashoveride> is there a linux version of quake 4?
[01:32] <incinerator> dunnow, perhaps the non-free nvidia/ati drivers support it...
[01:32] <cenobyte> yup
[01:32] <incinerator> i think there is
[01:32] <cenobyte> a port anyway
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Crashoveride: i have windows for sims 2 and age of empires - but then again, i have =<2 OS on this machine at any one time
[01:32] <Crashoveride> cool
[01:33] <JohnFlux> personally I can't wait till xen works well
[01:33] <Crashoveride> i play wow and i am running a counter strike srver on the server right now
[01:33] <JohnFlux> then I will just always run windows and linux together
[01:33] <ryanakca> brb... rebooting to test the new kernel :)
[01:33] <Crashoveride> ok
[01:33] <cenobyte> one waord CEDEGA
[01:33] <cenobyte> word*
[01:33] <incinerator> valve's cleverest move evar
[01:33] <JohnFlux> incinerator: what is?
[01:34] <incinerator> releasing linux versions of hl-server
[01:34] <Crashoveride> =P
[01:34] <Crashoveride> i love it how it autoupdates
[01:34] <Crashoveride> i have had my server running for 2 months straight...which im sure isnt that good for it but...its good
[01:34] <cenobyte> well is SLI supported
[01:34] <Crashoveride> sorry i dont know...
[01:34] <incinerator> cenobyte: we don't know
[01:34] <cenobyte> k
[01:35] <cenobyte> ill just post on the forums then
[01:35] <Crashoveride> kk
[01:35] <incinerator> search the forums before you do, someone has probably asked that question before...
[01:36] <bufalo_1973> incinerator, valve can stick the hl-server where the Sun doesn't shine if they don't do a hl-client
[01:36] <Crashoveride> lol why would you say that?
[01:37] <incinerator> bufalo_1973, who care, that couple of thousand licenses they would sell extra don't justify the cost...
[01:37] <Crashoveride> exactly!
[01:37] <incinerator> play nexuiz or another free software fps then...
[01:37] <bufalo_1973> then, why doing them "the favor" of supporting their game?
[01:37] <incinerator> or play q3 urban terror
[01:37] <incinerator> or was it strikeforce...
[01:37] <incinerator> bufalo_1973, exactly
[01:38] <incinerator> i'm beyond care in that matter, i stopped playing fps a couple of years ago
[01:38] <incinerator> but we're moving ot
[01:38] <Crashoveride> hehe have you ever tried battlefield two?
[01:38] <bufalo_1973> they don't make a linux client but want linux users as servers
[01:38] <incinerator> bufalo_1973: indeed, that's what i think was so clever of them
[01:39] <incinerator> Crash: i never even tried bf1942 one
[01:39] <Crashoveride> buffalo_1973: linux is just so much more efficient for servers and doesnt have the support for drivers and such i think...im not that great with linux yet
[01:40] <Crashoveride> incinerator: bf1942 isnt worth the time of day, bf2 is a great game, its like a fps for everyone other than fps players
[01:40] <incinerator> i used to run a 16pls cs server on a p5-233 with 128mb, on FreeBSD
[01:40] <incinerator> but that was before cs 1.0 came out
[01:41] <Crashoveride> lol i am running a css 20 people, 1024ddr2
[01:41] <Crashoveride> i remember thoughs days
[01:41] <incinerator> it performed ok, tho
[01:41] <incinerator> couldn't up it to 20pls, would get laggy, but 16pls was just fine
[01:41] <Crashoveride> im having trouble with my isp, it blocks 27015 and so I have to scramble the port and its really wierd
[01:42] <incinerator> bah
[01:42] <Crashoveride> bugs me
[01:42] <Crashoveride> oh hey i got  a qeustion for you, how do i set a static port on kubuntu?
[01:42] <incinerator> you could run it on another port...
[01:42] <incinerator> you mean port forwarding?
[01:42] <Crashoveride> (they block a range of ports)
[01:43] <incinerator> no clue, I use OpenBSD for firewalls
[01:43] <Crashoveride> no i wanna make the linux box static
[01:43] <Crashoveride> kk
[01:43] <incinerator> static port for what?
[01:43] <incinerator> static ip?
[01:43] <Crashoveride> not static port static lan ip
[01:43] <incinerator> static ip is easy
[01:44] <incinerator> there's an example in man interfaces
[01:44] <incinerator> or use a gui network config thingy of your choice
[01:44] <Crashoveride> ?
[01:44] <incinerator> well, I don't know which, I always edit /etc/network/interfaces directly
[01:45] <incinerator> kde/kubuntu probably have a tool for that though
[01:45] <incinerator> yeah, system settings....
[01:45] <incinerator> is your friend
[01:47] <Crashoveride> ok what ssome cool ways i can change my linux?
[01:47] <incinerator> ???
[01:47] <incinerator> isn't it cool enough already?
[01:47] <Crashoveride> linux isnt that great if your using it out of the box
[01:47] <incinerator> well, if you're an fps fan install yakuake from universe....
[01:47] <gleesond> has anyone in here used scons?
[01:47] <incinerator> f12 gives you a drop-down konsole like quake does ggg
[01:48] <gleesond> for some reasion its not seeing a lib that I know is in /usr/lib
[01:48] <incinerator> freshly installed lib?
[01:48] <incinerator> ldconfig
[01:48] <incinerator> might help
[01:49] <incinerator> brb, cigarette
[01:51] <Crashoveride> brb
[01:52] <Crashoveride> ahahah yakuake is soa wesome
[01:52] <incinerator> back
[01:52] <incinerator> hmmm, where's celeste
[01:52] <incinerator> i'm getting sleepy
[01:53] <Crashoveride> hehe where you from?
[01:53] <incinerator> i live in scotland
[01:53] <Crashoveride> nice
[01:53] <incinerator> 5 to 1am here
[01:53] <Crashoveride> thats like a whole continent away
[01:54] <brsseb> quick question. Why cant the root user launch like "gedit" or any graphical app from xterm  while normal users cant?
[01:54] <incinerator> gnomesudo gedit
[01:54] <brsseb> im trying to use gedit to edit xorg.conf...
[01:54] <incinerator> or whatever gnome uses like kdesu
[01:54] <incinerator> kdesu gedit?
[01:54] <brsseb> gnomesudo: command not found
[01:55] <incinerator> but first apt-get install xemacs
[01:55] <incinerator> running kde?
[01:55] <brsseb> yeah
[01:55] <incinerator> do kdesudo then
[01:55] <brsseb> and ive installed gedit
[01:55] <incinerator> ^kdesu
[01:55] <brsseb> kdesudo: command not found :|
[01:55] <Crashoveride> ok guys im gonna go do my home work Ill ttyk
[01:55] <incinerator> kdesu gedit
[01:56] <brsseb> kdesu gedit => cannot connect to X server 0.0
[01:56] <incinerator> that's strang
[01:56] <incinerator> kdesu xemacs works for me...
[01:57] <brsseb> yeah. everywhere i search and go ppl said it should work just fine..
[01:57] <brsseb> but it dont :(
[01:57] <incinerator> try gnomesu gedit
[01:57] <incinerator> might not be installed though
[01:57] <brsseb> gnomesu command not found
[01:58] <incinerator> why would you run gedit anyways?
[01:58] <brsseb> gedit ist installed, acoording to "apt-get install gedit"
[01:58] <bufalo_1973> brsseb, not to me, whenever I try to run any program from a konsole as root it tells me too "cannot connect"
[01:58] <brsseb> i like it :)
[01:58] <incinerator> weeell, if you're root in the console already it won't work
[01:58] <brsseb> but whats the KDE alternative to gedit?
[01:58] <bufalo_1973> kedit
[01:58] <incinerator> do a xhost + as normal user before you become root
[01:59] <wimpies> anybody knows where I can find a w32codec package for mplayer ?
[01:59] <brsseb> kedit: command not found
[01:59] <incinerator> wimpies: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[01:59] <bufalo_1973> wimpies, do you have universe in your repositories?
[02:00] <incinerator> brsseb: quite the bloody root mode, use sudo instead
[02:00] <incinerator> or kdesu for kde apps
[02:00] <_B_> w32 codec linked at mplayer homepage
[02:00] <incinerator> universe/multiverse don't have the w32codecs....
[02:00] <_B_> essential codec pack its called over there or similar
[02:01] <brsseb> ok. so it works in non-rootmode and using sudo before all commands
[02:01] <incinerator> anyways, that's it for me for today, good night folks
[02:01] <Pupeno_> brsseb: kwrite
[02:01] <Pupeno_> brsseb: also check out kate.
[02:01] <brsseb> but why on earth cant the root launch apps? it can foramt the drive but it cant use gedit :)?
[02:01] <incinerator> kedit should be install by default....
[02:02] <Hobbsee> incinerator: use kwrite
[02:02] <wimpies> bufalo : yes I have but perhaps not all :)
[02:02] <incinerator> brsseb: there is no root in ubuntu
[02:02] <bufalo_1973> incinerator, then I'm in a "parallel reality" 'cause they're in "my" universe/multiverse
[02:02] <bufalo_1973> :)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> incinerator: there is, it's disabled
[02:02] <Hobbsee> brsseb: gedit isnt installed on kubuntu by default
[02:03] <incinerator> bufalo_1973: I don't think so
[02:03] <brsseb> still odd. but thx for the help guys
[02:03] <bufalo_1973> sorry, incinerator, you're right, it's there... but it's not :P
[02:04] <Celeste> re
[02:04] <Celeste> incinerator!
[02:07] <Crashoveride> whats a good free* online game for linux?
[02:09] <bufalo_1973> Crashoveride, www.happypenguin.org ?
[02:10] <brsseb> stupid n00b-question: whats the path for the rc.local file again ?
[02:10] <brsseb> google isnt much help tonight
[02:11] <Hobbsee> locate rc.local
[02:11] <incinerator> he Celeste
[02:11] <Celeste> hi incinerator
[02:11] <incinerator> how did it go?
[02:12] <brsseb> "locate rc.local" didnt do anything
[02:12] <Celeste> incinerator, perfect ... just try to get a german keyboard ,.... but I think I already got the solution
[02:13] <incinerator> deutsche tastatur?
[02:13] <incinerator> should be set in xorg.conf
[02:13] <incinerator> gnome should pick that up, but then there's probably a config tool for gnome just like for kde
[02:13] <brsseb> ..im getting the feeling Kubuntu differ from Ubuntu in more than just KDE instead of Gnome...
[02:13] <incinerator> brrseb: not by much I'd guess
[02:14] <incinerator> the base system should be almost identical...
[02:14] <brsseb> well, teh code for setting up Ubuntu dont work for Kubuntu..im using 915resoultion hack to get 1280x768 res, and i need to set something in the /etc/init.d/rc.local, but the file isnt there
[02:14] <Celeste> incinerator, I need to restart X
[02:16] <incinerator> probably
[02:16] <Crashoveride> well im off for a bit ill bbl cya all
[02:16] <incinerator> if you've changed xorg.conf
[02:16] <incinerator> seeya
[02:16] <incinerator> there is no rc.local in ubuntu
[02:16] <incinerator> not by default
[02:17] <brsseb> but i can just make the file then? and ubuntu will use it?
[02:17] <incinerator> brsseb: no clue
[02:18] <brsseb> ok. but i got this online hack, "915resolution 3c 1280 768" that must be called somewhere during the boot. any good place for it to be?
[02:18] <brsseb> its a bios hack to enable widescreen display on the laptop
[02:19] <Celeste> incinerator, thank you!
[02:19] <Celeste> 
[02:19] <incinerator> ?
[02:19] <incinerator> try again
[02:19] <rich0rd> 
[02:20] <incinerator> irc and encodings, always the same
[02:20] <incinerator> better
[02:20] <rich0rd> hrhr
[02:20] <incinerator> I usually don't use unicode, it screws up umlauts for the windows lusers
[02:20] <incinerator> Celeste, everything working now?
[02:21] <Celeste> incinerator, not all... there is one more thing I need to get working
[02:21] <incinerator> and that is?
[02:21] <Celeste> incinerator, but I think thats too special as that somebody could know the solution
[02:23] <Celeste> incinerator, ever worked with  gDesklets?
[02:23] <incinerator> never, I haven't used gnome for years
[02:23] <incinerator> the #ubuntu channel's probably the right place to ask about gdesklets ggg
[02:24] <Celeste> oh yes :)
[02:24] <incinerator> anyways, I've got to go now, before my head damages the keyboard....
[02:24] <incinerator> good night
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:25] <Hobbsee> keyboards are great for sleeping on!
[02:36] <wimpies> How can I change my password ?
[02:40] <jdong> wimpies: open up a terminal, type passwd
[02:41] <jdong> idn if there's a more Kubuntu-ish way of doing it, but that always works
[02:43] <Hobbsee> what the heck?
[02:53] <_B_> hey is anyone using encrypted file system for greater safety ?
[02:54] <wimpies> jdong : no gui ?
[02:54] <jdong> unsure
[02:54] <jdong> wimpies: kuser might do it
[02:55] <jdong> dapper has it in the control center
[02:55] <jdong> System Settings
[02:55] <jdong> User Account
[02:55] <jdong> unsure if it's in Breezy
[02:59] <csseyah> gud am  guys
[02:59] <csseyah> question here!
[03:00] <csseyah> I would like to know if the username -> root can login in as a user in KDE??? anyone???
[03:00] <wimpies> you have to allow that in login manager
[03:01] <csseyah> yah but when im in Login Manager
[03:01] <csseyah> it asking for a password
[03:01] <csseyah> then an error msg appear
[03:01] <csseyah> Conversation SU failed
[03:01] <csseyah> what is the meaning of that bro???
[03:03] <csseyah> co'z the really reason is.. i would like to open the ADEPT but i can't open when i supply the root password...
[03:03] <csseyah> i like to install the RPM ...
[03:03] <wimpies> you need the password of the current user
[03:03] <wimpies> not root
[03:04] <csseyah> i do but it fails
[03:04] <csseyah> it there something wrong in my installation of kubuntu???
[03:04] <wimpies> if you run adept then type in the user password that should work (works for me)
[03:05] <csseyah> it say to me that i need to login as a root in order to open that
[03:05] <csseyah> adept
[03:06] <wimpies> yes but still type your password (sudo will take care of the rest )
[03:06] <Celeste> please tell me what package contains  "glib-gettextize"
[03:07] <wimpies> go to debian site and lookup contents of packages
[03:07] <Celeste> ok
[03:10] <csseyah> thanks
[03:10] <csseyah> gtg
[03:13] <brydenn> ohhhhhhhh Hobbsee
[03:13] <farous> an idiot sent me a pdf file that is rotated. He scanned some pages upside down than sent it as pdf. Is there an application that i can use to rotate the pages back so i can edit it latter on with flpsed ?
[03:13] <brydenn> you there my little friend
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hey brydenn
[03:13] <brydenn> whats up girl
[03:13] <brydenn> :)
[03:14] <brydenn> hey i got a slight issue that needs some help
[03:14] <brydenn> trying to mount my slave windows xp HD
[03:14] <brydenn> but i dont just want to mount it once. i want it to auto mount all the time
[03:14] <brydenn> so do i do that?
[03:14] <brydenn> *how
[03:15] <wimpies> see fstab and hope it is not NTFP (else reformat as ext3 and install extifs driver for XP
[03:15] <brydenn> so in the Konsole just type: kate fstab
[03:15] <brydenn> ?
[03:15] <wimpies> man fstab perhaps first
[03:16] <wimpies> this is what I have : /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=000    0       0
[03:16] <brydenn> i see
[03:16] <brydenn> the dev i'm trying to mount is /dev/hdb1
[03:16] <wimpies> but /dev/sda1 depends on your system and you need to make the dir /media/windows
[03:16] <wimpies> so /dev/hdb1
[03:17] <brydenn> yes
[03:17] <wimpies> is it NTFS and do you want to write to it ?
[03:17] <brydenn> lol yes and yes :)
[03:17] <wimpies> well then reformat is as ext3 and mount ext3 from XP because NTFS and writing is not good
[03:17] <wimpies> i do that all the time and it works great
[03:18] <brydenn> so what the hell it can "read only" just fine but writing to the WIN XP disk is buggy?
[03:18] <wimpies> yes
[03:18] <brydenn> that blows
[03:18] <brydenn> hope they fix that in the next release of ubuntu
[03:19] <wimpies> No it has been around for many years
[03:19] <wimpies> There is an NTFS driver using the dll from windows
[03:19] <wimpies> the problem is that NTFS does strangs things and reverse engineering is difficult and hence buggy
[03:19] <brydenn> yah i suppose
[03:19] <wimpies> but really do think about formatting as ext3 and use the followying driver
[03:20] <brydenn> well, if i format it dont i lose the data?
[03:20] <wimpies> it is free and makes the ext3 driver behave just like an XP drivef (but without character case problems)
[03:20] <wimpies> hdb1 is data disk so backup the disk to another driver, format and restore
[03:21] <wimpies> you need Ext2IFS_1_10a.exe
[03:21] <wimpies> google around a bit
[03:21] <brydenn> k
[03:21] <brydenn> just seems like a lot of work just to copy files from one HD to the next
[03:21] <brydenn> cuz really thats mostly what i wanna do
[03:22] <brydenn> copy the mp3s from my XP HD to my linux HD
[03:22] <wimpies> So again : make a backup of all your mp3 on the NTSF formatted partition
[03:22] <wimpies> after backup reformat as ext3 (from linux)
[03:22] <wimpies> install driver abover under XP
[03:22] <wimpies> restore your mp3 on the now ext3 partition
[03:22] <wimpies> and done ... never have to copy again EVER
[03:23] <brydenn> k here's my question though...after doing that will the slave windows drive load to windows like normal once i switch it back to a single master?
[03:24] <wimpies> yes windows will see it as drive Z: q: or whatever
[03:24] <wimpies> I have an external USB driver I use like this and it works perfectly
[03:24] <brydenn> hmm thats cool
[03:24] <sirblue> gnight folks
[03:24] <brydenn> so once you install that driver on windows
[03:24] <wimpies> I even have a FLASH PEN formatted this way
[03:25] <brydenn> cool
[03:25] <brydenn> so once i install that on my windows HD i can swap files flawlessly between my linux and windows HDs?
[03:25] <wimpies> Just plug the PEN in and windows says ...driver X: ... or something but it is formatted as an ext3 driver but you cannot tell
[03:25] <wimpies> yes, you do not even need to swap
[03:26] <wimpies> WIndows and LINUX will consider the driver as native drives so you can share that driver between both
[03:26] <brydenn> so its like they're the same file system right
[03:26] <brydenn> ie NTFS or EXT3
[03:26] <wimpies> not like the ARE the same filesystem
[03:27] <wimpies> Look at it like a CDROM
[03:27] <wimpies> the CDROM also has a filesystem type
[03:27] <brydenn> k
[03:27] <wimpies> however both LINUX and WINDOWS have driver that understand the format
[03:27] <brydenn> oh ok
[03:27] <wimpies> installing the driver ext3 for XP makes XP understand about ext3 FS
[03:27] <Celeste> Please could anyone of you help me with the "Real Translucency" please?
[03:27] <brydenn> that makes sense now wimpies
[03:28] <wimpies> good
[03:28] <brydenn> but... my linux HD is the master HD
[03:28] <brydenn> doesnt that matter
[03:28] <wimpies> master, slave, usb does not matter
[03:28] <wimpies> we are talking about format of the partition and not the way drives are handled by the bios
[03:29] <brydenn> but how can "windows" interpurate EXT3 without running?
[03:29] <brydenn> cuz linux is my main OS
[03:29] <wimpies> The only thing is that you cannot make window sboot from that partition but hdb1 is probably ok
[03:29] <wimpies> interpurate ?
[03:29] <brydenn> bad spelling
[03:30] <wimpies> yes and hence I do not know what you are talking about
[03:30] <brydenn> its cool wimpies i think i figured it out, thank you very much
[03:30] <brydenn> i'm googling now :)
[03:31] <wimpies> go go go ... :)
[03:42] <ltmon> gtkourounis: hi again... slightly quieter here
[03:42] <gtkourounis> yup
[03:43] <ltmon> ok... so I have looked up some docs on your laptop model.  Apparently using ndiswrapper with the BCMWL5a.inf from driver cd of Acer shouold work.  Is that the driver you used?
[03:43] <gtkourounis> ya
[03:43] <gtkourounis> thats the one
[03:43] <gtkourounis> and thanx for the help
[03:44] <ltmon> np
[03:44] <gtkourounis> apreciate it
[03:44] <gtkourounis> being a total ubuntu noob
[03:44] <gtkourounis> lol
[03:44] <ltmon> can you show the results of "sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifupwlan0" in a command prompt
[03:45] <ltmon> sorry "sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0"
[03:45] <gtkourounis> yup one second
[03:45] <ltmon> (no space)
[03:45] <ltmon> this is bringing the network interface down and then up again
[03:45] <ltmon> the output might give a clue
[03:46] <ltmon> also, don't paste output to the chanel... use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:49] <gtkourounis> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/582946
[03:49] <gtkourounis> i hope that will work
[03:50] <ltmon> ok... i'm looking at it
[03:50] <gtkourounis> ok
[03:51] <ltmon> ok... now paste the output of the command "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
[03:53] <gtkourounis> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/582950
[03:53] <gtkourounis> there it is
[03:54] <gtkourounis> sorry about that
[03:55] <ltmon> your wireless key looks a little strange: the line in that file starting with "wireless-key".  Can you check that.  Did you censor it deliberately or is that what it looks like in the actual file?
[03:56] <gtkourounis> that is the actual code that i put
[03:57] <ltmon> ok... well it doesn't look like any WEP key I've seen... but I'm not really that big on wireless.  My one looks like a 10 digit hexadecimal number.  That is, it has both numbers and capital letters from A-F in it.
[03:58] <gtkourounis> well i could switch to one of those
[03:58] <ltmon> for example: 240A9F991B would look like a WEP key.
[03:58] <ltmon> try that.
[03:58] <gtkourounis> ok
[03:58] <ltmon> use the "Networking" tool again.
[03:58] <gtkourounis> yup
[03:58] <ltmon> and put a hexadecimal key in the right field
[03:59] <gtkourounis> so u suggest i use a hexademical?
[03:59] <ltmon> that's what I use... so i don't know any better :)
[03:59] <gtkourounis> ok
[03:59] <gtkourounis> well then i will try it
[03:59] <gtkourounis> one sec though i have to go offline and then online again
[03:59] <ltmon> ok
[03:59] <gtkourounis> my router only changes settings with e-explorer
[03:59] <gtkourounis> lol
[03:59] <gtkourounis> evil router
[03:59] <gtkourounis> brb
[04:00] <ltmon> evil >:(
[04:02] <ryanakca> hmmm... is gmail down for anybody else?
[04:03] <ltmon> ryanakca: good for me using POP access
[04:03] <ryanakca> ltmon: no... using the web
[04:03] <ltmon> ryanakca: I was being lazy :P checking now
[04:04] <ryanakca> ltmon: it's been loading for 134 seconds so far :S
[04:04] <ltmon> ryanakca: all good from here.
[04:04] <ryanakca> ltmon: hmmm... odd
[04:05] <ltmon> ryanakca: it's probably an issue in your local area.  They probably mirror gmail all over the place
[04:06] <ltmon> ryanakca: either that or some upstream issue with your isp
[04:06] <ryanakca> I'm sure... well I'm off to bed!
[04:08] <brydenn> I LOVE THIS OS
[04:08] <brydenn> hehe finally mounted my win xp hd
[04:08] <ltmon> *deafaning applause*
[04:08] <brydenn> lol
[04:08] <decaf> hi, I switched to KDE by installing kubuntu-desktop. I haven't use KDE since 1.1 version. my font settings seems no to apply all apps. for example adept uses very big fonts. anyone has a solution or can point a document?
[04:09] <ltmon> decaf: i think i heard of this once... i'll quickly look it up
[04:12] <ltmon> decaf: sorry.. it was a different issue.  That's really strange though.
[04:12] <ltmon> decaf: does System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts look normal to you?
[04:13] <mosiac> hi i'm new and i seem to be having a little trouble getting my wireless device started in kubuntu are there some good faqs to read?
[04:13] <decaf> yes, I'm using bitstream vera for all. also anti-aliasing
[04:14] <ltmon> sorry, not sure...
[04:14] <ltmon> mosiac: what wireless device are you using?  Is it listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:16] <mosiac> lol the one i'm trying itsn't compatable thanks ill check another
[04:22] <red> arnaud je suis de retour et ca ne marche tjrs pas... snif
[04:24] <red> comment faire marcher le MP3 et le divx ?
[04:25] <ltmon> red: try #kubuntu-fr
[04:25] <ltmon> red: ne parle francais
[04:25] <red> thank i did it
[04:25] <ltmon> ok
[04:26] <red> itmon tu aurais une solution a mon problme
[04:27] <ltmon> red: je ne parle francais
[04:27] <decaf> ltmon: I did the biggest mistake for a long time linux user, didn't search enough before asking. I found this: applications that require root privileges uses root's settings. that's new for me. thanks for help
[04:27] <ltmon> decaf: ahhhh... it should be set up by default... but good that you fixed it anyway
[04:28] <Drakster> evening all ... just finished installing kubuntu and now I'm wondering how I get to init 3 so I can install my video card driver
[04:28] <decaf> I think I should start with a fresh kubuntu install
[04:28] <ltmon> Drakster: init levels are different on Debian/Kubuntu
[04:29] <Drakster> I'm learnin that ltmon ...lol ... I've been using suse for the last year
[04:29] <decaf> Drakster: what's your card?
[04:29] <Drakster> nvidia
[04:30] <Drakster> 4200 go (laptop)
[04:30] <ltmon> Drakster: that's ok :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:30] <Drakster> thanks
[04:30] <red> somebody here can help me whith the MP3 and DIVX set up..i did all they say at the kubuntu.fr and still doesn't work.
[04:30] <ltmon> The instructions are for Ubuntu, but most are easily translated to kubuntu
[04:30] <Drakster> thanks
[04:32] <bufalo_1973> red, have you tryed to install an mp3-only player?
[04:32] <bufalo_1973> (tryed? tried?)
[04:32] <red> no i don't i try using kaffeine
[04:34] <bufalo_1973> install mpg321
[04:34] <red> could i remove gstreamer ?
[04:34] <bufalo_1973> why?
[04:34] <root404> DCC SEND "zzomgzomgwtfbbqpwn" 0 0 0
[04:35] <root404> shit
[04:35] <root404> sorry
[04:35] <root404> wrong paste
[04:35] <red> to use xine
[04:35] <bufalo_1973> if I'm not mistaked you can have both installed
[04:36] <red> ok you're right
[04:39] <Drakster> after installing the nvidia drivers with adept do I need to reboot?
[04:40] <Drakster> or is there a way to re-start x ??
[05:01] <bufalo_1973> good night
[05:03] <stupendo44> does anyone here know of any linux software that will download a website?
[05:04] <admrl> stupendo44 wget..?
[05:04] <stupendo44> admrl: not a page, but the whole website
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> wget
[05:06] <admrl> now why would you need to download a whole website..?
[05:07] <stupendo44> admrl: I need to make changes to it, but I don't have a local copy. I also need to upload it to another location.
[05:09] <juzzy> whats the default root password, i never got to set it
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> !root
[05:09] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> stupendo44: i used scp
[05:10] <juzzy> thank you Kamping_Kaiser
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> try ftp otherwise
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> np juzzy
[05:10] <stupendo44> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have a link?
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> stupendo44: lilnk to what?
[05:11] <stupendo44> Kamping_Kaiser: sorry, didn't know what scp is. now I do
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh.
[05:12] <stupendo44> I can use wget to do it, just have to figure out the right commands
[05:14] <juzzy> Kamping_Kaiser: whats the command to mount an ntfs hdd ... sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/old ???
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> you probably need -t ntfs
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ntfs
[05:15] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> nothing here :/
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, there.
[05:15] <stupendo44> juzzy: most of the time you don't need -t ntfs, but you could. otherwise that's the correct command
[05:15] <juzzy> hm ok
[05:16] <juzzy> stupendo44:  whats the command to list all partitions on hda ?
[05:16] <juzzy> wow wiki has it all!
[05:16] <stupendo44> juzzy: not sure, wish I knew
[05:18] <juzzy> wow, that auto mounter thing RULES!
[05:18] <juzzy> thanks guys
[05:20] <juzzy> !xvid
[05:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, juzzy
[05:20] <juzzy> !divx
[05:20] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[05:50] <Captainbraille> Hello, anyone know alot about adept?
[05:52] <bert_> just use it, don't need to know much about it
[05:53] <Captainbraille> well bert, I'm trying to add a repository from winehq.com  //  this is what they say to add .. "  deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/  "  of course thats for synaptic, and I don't know how to get it to work in adept
[05:58] <bert_> This is all I've got in mine-    deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[05:58] <bert_> Doesn't that work?
[06:00] <bert_> Wine 0.9.8 is showing in the list in adept with that entry
[06:01] <Captainbraille> this is what I get under "distribution"  "binary/"
[06:01] <Captainbraille> then I fetch updates and the program crashes
[06:03] <Captainbraille> well thanks bert have a good one
[06:04] <bert_> Mine shows the same, that's because we didn't type in an entry for distibution and components
[06:04] <bert_> But mine doesn't crash and wine is shown in adept OK
[06:19] <Evil_H> i got a noob question. i have kubuntu and WinXP dual booted on my laptop. i updateed to KDE 3.5.1 and now in Grub i have Ubuntu linux kernel 9, kernel 10 and windows. why are there two versions of linux?
[06:34] <stupendo44> Evil_H: after you update the kernel, it still keeps the old one until you remove it. It's good in case there's problems with the new one.
[06:35] <stupendo44> Evil_H: just use Synaptic to remove the old kernel
[06:35] <stupendo44> Evil_H: it's not really two versions of linux, just the small bit that it needs to start linux (the kernel)
[06:35] <stupendo44> Evil_H: nothing else is a copy
[06:36] <Arcanimus_> good night
[06:36] <stupendo44> Evil_H: or if you're not using Synaptic, you can use Adept
[06:36] <stupendo44> Evil_H: same concept
[06:38] <Evil_H> ok sweet thanks
[06:40] <stupendo44> Evil_H: np
[07:08] <duckdown> Hey all
[07:09] <duckdown> I'm running Dapper 4, and have uncommented the universe, etc. lines from /etc/apt/sources.list but I still can't figure out what I need to apt-get in order to watch/stream .WMV files.  There is no 'w32codecs' package even though i found something to that effect on google.  Can anyone lend me a hand please :-)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> !w32codecs
[07:10] <ubotu> [w32codecs]  a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[07:11] <duckdown> Thanks Hobbsie
[07:34] <_phantom> how's it going everyone.
[07:35] <_phantom> anyone here?
[07:39] <renato> hello
[07:40] <renato> anybody there?
[07:40] <renato> I'm pretty lost
[07:40] <_phantom> yeah.  i'm here
[07:40] <renato> hey
[07:40] <_phantom> but it seems that i am the only one tho
[07:40] <renato> good enough
[07:41] <_phantom> i'm still trying to figure out Kubuntu myself, though.
[07:41] <renato> I wonder if you could give me a hand
[07:41] <renato> oh
[07:41] <renato> heh he
[07:41] <_phantom> what's the problem though
[07:41] <_phantom> maybe i know enough to help you out.
[07:41] <renato> you probably do
[07:41] <_phantom> well, i can at least try, heh.
[07:41] <renato> well, I'm completely new to linux altogether
[07:42] <_phantom> ah.  i see.  ok.  i was in that seat years ago too.
[07:42] <renato> and I can't figure out how to install software
[07:42] <_phantom> ah.
[07:42] <_phantom> and you are using Kubuntu?
[07:42] <renato> yes
[07:42] <_phantom> just making sure here.
[07:42] <renato> it's different to ubuntu too
[07:42] <_phantom> ok.  well, from what i gather from debian (Kubuntu is built off of debian), there is a tool called apt-get
[07:43] <renato> heard of it
[07:43] <renato> how does one get to it
[07:43] <_phantom> now, Kubuntu, i have found has a gui for it, so you don't have to do it from the command line like i used to.
[07:44] <renato> can't seem to find it though
[07:44] <_phantom> look in your K menu/System.  it's called Adept
[07:44] <renato> adept
[07:44] <renato> hold on
[07:44] <_phantom> so go to K menu, go up to System, and you should find something in there called Adept.
[07:44] <_phantom> it's the package manager.
[07:44] <renato> okay found that
[07:45] <_phantom> ok, you'll need to sudo your password. (it'll ask you for the passwrod.  just type in your user password.
[07:45] <renato> nothing though
[07:45] <renato> oh, yeah, there it is
[07:45] <_phantom> nothing?  like nothing as in what?
[07:45] <_phantom> ok.
[07:45] <_phantom> it takes a minute i take it on your machine.  that's ok though.
[07:46] <renato> mmhmm
[07:46] <renato> it's there
[07:46] <_phantom> up at the top, you'll see fetch updates.
[07:46] <_phantom> fetch all updates for your machine and it will update the system files automatically for you.
[07:46] <renato> it did
[07:46] <_phantom> what program were you looking to install though?
[07:47] <renato> the reason why I installed linux was to be able to use GRASS and R
[07:48] <_phantom> hmm.. never heard of that.
[07:48] <_phantom> what is GRASS supposed to be?
[07:48] <renato> weed
[07:48] <renato> kidding
[07:49] <_phantom> lol.  nvm,  i found the site for it.
[07:49] <renato> Geographic Resources Analysis Support System
[07:49] <renato> k
[07:49] <_phantom> interesting program, i must admit.
[07:49] <renato> I am an economics student
[07:50] <renato> and we are implementing an environmental economics program
[07:50] <_phantom> one more thing that i haven't figured out is how to add ftp sites to the apt-get lookup, so you may not be able to get grass unless you compile it yourself.
[07:50] <_phantom> well, good luck on that.
[07:50] <renato> sounds complicated
[07:51] <renato> how about on those pages where it says download
[07:51] <renato> isn't it like downloading it and double clicking on it or something?
[07:52] <_phantom> yeah, but remember that you must compile it from source so it will run correctly on your computer.
[07:52] <_phantom> no.  you must compile the source.
[07:52] <renato> you lost me there
[07:52] <frank23> Geographic Resources Analysis Support System ?
[07:52] <renato> I know nothing about programming
[07:52] <_phantom> well, ok.  think of it this way.  you get the raw data from the site, download it, and go to command rpmpt.....
[07:53] <_phantom> after that, you go to the place where you downloaded it to, type ./compile and it compiles the program to your system
[07:53] <renato> thanks
[07:53] <_phantom> after that you must type 'make' (without the quotes) to make the "executable" file.
[07:53] <renato> hmm
[07:54] <_phantom> after that, you must type 'make install' (again, without quotes) to install it onto your system
[07:54] <frank23> I guess by ./compile you mean  ./configure
[07:54] <_phantom> bah, you're right.  my bad.
[07:54] <_phantom> my mind's 20 other places right now.
[07:54] <_phantom> ./configure, make, make install.
[07:54] <frank23> renato: thats only for programs that you can't get with adept. And there's alot available there
[07:54] <_phantom> that should install it on your machine if you have everything.
[07:55] <renato> cool
[07:55] <_phantom> frank23, GRASS is not available.
[07:55] <frank23> _phantom: yes it is
[07:55] <_phantom> neither is GIS.
[07:55] <_phantom> ??
[07:55] <frank23> I don't know about gis but grass is in universe
[07:55] <_phantom> i must not have the updated list of FTP sites in yet.
[07:55] <frank23> !sources
[07:55] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:56] <frank23> You have to enable universe. the instructions are in there
[07:57] <_phantom> frank, you are a lifesaver.  i just installed Kubuntu, so i'm still trying to figure out ADEPT, myself.
[07:57] <_phantom> heard that it was a clean OS, so i had to try it out.
[07:58] <frank23> gis is there too. a program called qgis seems to be it
[07:58] <renato> gis means geographical information system
[07:58] <renato> so any program such as grass would be a gis software
[07:58] <frank23> ok.
[07:59] <frank23> anyways enable universe (and multiverse while you're at it) and you can use adept to see what is available
[07:59] <_phantom> frank23, are you running Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[07:59] <frank23> about 18000 packages for me right now
[07:59] <_phantom> cause i can't find the synaptic package manager in the listings of K menu.
[08:00] <frank23> kubuntu but the only difference is the Desktop environment
[08:00] <frank23> that's because synaptic is not in kubuntu by default
[08:00] <_phantom> yeah, i kind of figured that.  but where's Synaptic in the K menu?
[08:00] <_phantom> oh nice.  ok.  i will apt-get it then
[08:00] <frank23> you can install it though. I like synaptic better than adept
[08:02] <renato> I can't enable universe and multiverse
[08:02] <frank23> what is the problem?
[08:02] <renato> the thing's for ubuntu synaptic
[08:02] <renato> and it's not the same
[08:02] <frank23> renato: look at the end of the page
[08:05] <renato> oh yeah, felt dumb
[08:05] <renato> sorry
[08:05] <renato> and thank you
[08:05] <frank23> no problem ;)
[08:13] <renato> I enabled all the ones that said universe and renamed them to universe multiverse
[08:13] <renato> now it's doing a loooot of thinking
[08:14] <renato> is that normal?
[08:15] <frank23> did you click fetch updates after those changes>?
[08:16] <renato> yup
[08:16] <renato> it's done
[08:16] <renato> it's there
[08:16] <frank23> what is doing the thinking? adept?
[08:16] <renato> you rule man
[08:17] <frank23> around this time at night, you can also get the file database that updates automatically. it takes a while and the hard drive is busy
[08:17] <renato> okay, I clicked on install and it changed the status of fourteen packages to install, but it's not installing anything
[08:17] <renato> file database that updates automatically?
[08:17] <frank23> you have to click commit to actually make it install
[08:18] <renato> okay
[08:18] <frank23> yeah its an index of all the files on the drive to make it faster to search for a file
[08:18] <renato> okay, and what's it called?
[08:19] <frank23> what?
[08:19] <renato> file database that updates automatically?
[08:19] <renato> how do you mean get, then?
[08:19] <frank23> in the console you can run   locate filename to find a file
[08:19] <renato> ohh
[08:20] <frank23> if you do locate adept   it will give you all the files with adept in the name quickly
[08:21] <frank23> !cli
[08:21] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[08:22] <renato> Mmm, what's the best linux beginner's literature you can name?
[08:22] <renato> I want to learn this stuff
[08:23] <frank23> I'm not sure...   for ubuntu at least you should start with the wiki. you can also browse the forums
[08:23] <renato> k
[08:24] <frank23> for using the console, you could make a search for  bash tutorial  or something like that
[08:24] <frank23> bash is the name of the shell
[08:25] <renato> thanks
[08:25] <renato> um, where are you from, btw?
[08:25] <frank23> this is a pretty good place to start https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[08:25] <frank23> Montreal
[08:25] <frank23> you?
[08:26] <renato> Guatemala (not to be confused with guacamole, though)
[08:26] <renato> and what are you doing up this late?
[08:27] <frank23> obviously nothing very productive ;)  I was trying to upload games to my cell phone. I haven't been very successful at it
[08:29] <renato> well, it was productive for me that you were up
[08:30] <renato> and for environmental economics in the not so distant future
[08:30] <frank23> oh yes
[08:31] <renato> so, it might seem like an unsuccessful cell phone venture, but its transcendent
[08:31] <renato> heh heh
[08:32] <frank23> why did you choose kubuntu?
[08:33] <frank23> hmm its pretty late in guatemala too. 1h30 am
[08:34] <shawn__> oh a pointless thing that people might find interesting I'm a student at a computer college and right now we are learing about linux and my teacher chose to use kubuntu which I allready use personally
[08:35] <frank23> shawn__: that must be a pretty easy course for you if you used it before you teacher chose it
[08:35] <renato> I chose kubuntu by pure chance
[08:36] <renato> and screenshots
[08:36] <shawn__> yeah well it's just basics right now to get people comfotable with it... I think he's planning to use fedora and redhat also later on
[08:36] <renato> I failed at installing debian
[08:37] <renato> and lost my old windows xp in the process
[08:37] <Chanika> I have a weird problem on one of my friends' comps - media:/ shows the floppy drive, but not any of the cd drives or hard disks...
[08:37] <renato> I tried ubuntu on an old comp that was lying around and brought it back to life
[08:37] <Chanika> I haven't had this problem on any other kubuntu installs, and don't see anything odd, so I'm confused
[08:37] <Chanika> oh, and it shows usb drives fine too
[08:38] <frank23> Chanika: I don't know what to do
[08:38] <frank23> sorry
[08:38] <frank23> anyways good night everyone
[08:39] <Chanika> everything shows up fine in /media but I don't think my friend's parents are smart enough to learn to look there
[08:39] <renato> sleep well frank
[08:39] <renato> and thanks again
[08:40] <Chanika> hmm. nobody else awake?
[08:40] <renato> me, but I am so clueless
[08:40] <Chanika> sheesh... it's like half the internet is in bed right now :P
[08:40] <Chanika> I finally got going on some kopete stuff, but wanted to get permission to commit my work.. and everyone in #kopete is sleeping
[08:41] <Chanika> all my friends are asleep or out partying, too.
[08:41] <renato> I haven't been out partying in a while
[08:41] <renato> went to the movies though
[08:41] <Chanika> I satyed home 'cause I haven't been able to enjoy programming in ages
[08:41] <renato> heh heh
[08:41] <Chanika> stupid work getting in the way
[08:42] <renato> what is your job
[08:42] <renato> ?
[08:42] <Chanika> programming... sort of...
[08:42] <Chanika> lately a lot of it is fighting with retarded javascript and weird build systems
[08:42] <Chanika> and watching the PHB piss people off
[08:43] <renato> hmm, PHB being what?
[08:49] <Chanika> PHB = pointy-haired boss. don't you read dilbert? :)
[08:49] <renato> heh heh
[08:49] <renato> haven't seen dilbert in ages
[08:50] <Chanika> it's online. but only a couple months' worth of archives are kept
[08:50] <renato> where are you chatting from?
[08:50] <Chanika> eh?
[08:52] <renato> koffice or openoffice?
[08:59] <Chanika> what?
[08:59] <Chanika> what do office suites have to do with chatting?
[08:59] <Chanika> hmm. guess I'll never know
[08:59] <kunjan> anyone would know why my amarok keeps on crashing?
[09:00] <kunjan> everyonce in a while?
[09:00] <kunjan> any common reasons?
[09:00] <Chanika> amarok is buggy. :)
[09:00] <Chanika> I just restart it once in a while
[09:00] <Chanika> and try not to hit buttons too fast
[09:01] <kunjan> its a pain
[09:01] <Chanika> yeah
[09:01] <kunjan> just crashes
[09:01] <kunjan> i love it otherwise
[09:01] <Chanika> you could go report it and see if you can help track down hte bug...
[09:01] <Chanika> I'm busy with kopete stuff
[09:02] <kunjan> yeah will try to do that
[09:03] <maenty> Hello, all!
[09:04] <Chanika> yay, I think I've found another oscar task I can write a test for :)
[09:04] <maenty> Could someone help me with couple questions. I'm planning to install amd64-version of Kubuntu
[09:04] <ttread> maenty I'm running kubuntu AMD64
[09:05] <maenty> ttread: I read in ubuntu forum, that there is basically only the basic package of kubuntu to AMD64.
[09:05] <maenty> ttread: What I'd like to find, is the application list that is included in Kubuntu
[09:06] <maenty> ttread: For me, it would be enough to have openoffice, good browser, media player that can play ogg/mp3/mov/etc, GIMP and some program with functuinality that WinSCP3 has
[09:06] <maenty> ttread: However, I haven't found a list of programs that is included..
[09:06] <maenty> ttread: Are you using 5.10 ?
[09:06] <ttread> You can do almost everything the same as with 32 bit
[09:06] <Chanika> hmm. one thing that I think is missing from amd64 is flash...
[09:06] <ttread> maenty yes I'm using 5.10
[09:07] <Chanika> maenty: basically just a few proprietary things are 32-only right now, afaik
[09:07] <ttread> maenty openoffice, firefox are both installed by default
[09:07] <ttread> maenty gimp is available in the standard repository
[09:08] <maenty> ttread: so it can be installed with apt-get for amd64 also?
[09:08] <ttread> maenty: the only things you may have difficulty with are some of the restricted codecs
[09:08] <ttread> maenty: also flash plugin is a problem right now also
[09:09] <ttread> maenty : yes gimp is available with apt-get along with 1000s of other apps
[09:09] <maenty> ttread: for i386 flas not a problem?
[09:09] <ttread> maenty I don't understand your last question
[09:10] <eob84> does anyone in here play ut2004?
[09:10] <Chanika> I used to...
[09:10] <maenty> For Windows XP, I used to have quite good system for videos / music. Winamp playing all possible sound/music files, and Media Player Classic all possible video files, with the help of Real Alternative and Quicktime Alternative.. can this be achieved with Kubuntu also? One player for all?
[09:10] <eob84> yea
[09:10] <eob84> called VLC
[09:11] <maenty> ttread: You mentioned that flash plugin is problem. The problem is only for amd64-version?
[09:11] <ttread> maenty yeah 32-bit flash works fine
[09:12] <ttread> maenty on 64-bit the popular win32codecs package doesn't work, so I'm using mplayer which has an alternate set of codecs
[09:12] <maenty> Is the AMD64-version actually running applications so much faster, that it's worthy of missing some applications?
[09:13] <ttread> maenty I haven't tested it myself but I've heard others say that there is a noticable speed boost
[09:13] <glo> Hi I need help and I know this is a deb based distro. I'm trying to setup a network card that was working on kernel 2.4 but now it doesn't activate during with with 2.6.8.
[09:13] <maenty> How about installing the dapper-version?
[09:13] <ttread> maenty I can currently play mp3, ogg, avi, mpg
[09:14] <maenty> ttread: That's almost all that I need.. I rarely need to play any quicktime or realmedia files
[09:14] <glo> I know deb has dpkg-reconfigure but I don't know the specific command for seting up the net card
[09:14] <ttread> but have problems with .ram and .wmv
[09:15] <glo> ttread, get the codecs on mplayers website
[09:15] <glo> the all package
[09:15] <maenty> hmm.. .wmv not working might become a problem
[09:15] <ttread> ok thanks glo, I'll look into that .. I thought it came with all the codecs already
[09:15] <glo> nope just the basic
[09:15] <maenty> can't the mplayer with codecs be isntalled with apt-get?
[09:16] <glo> yes the base ones
[09:16] <ttread> I ended up compiling mplayer and it's working fine
[09:16] <skypa> anyone aware if the weird vfat sync behaviour is fixed in kernel >2.6.12?
[09:17] <ronaldson40> hi
[09:17] <Chanika> hmm. what package(s) will get kaffeine to show most videos?
[09:17] <ronaldson40> You can use VLC
[09:17] <Chanika> skypa: what weird behaviour?
[09:18] <skypa> plug a usb stick in, mount it sync and watch it copy with about 30kb/s
[09:18] <ronaldson40> hi
[09:18] <Chanika> hmm. never used vlc before.
[09:18] <kingpomba> im downloading kubuntu now, my first time using linux :)
[09:18] <skypa> mount it async and you have to sync it manually before unmounting, plus progress bars are faulty since it's buffered way faster than actually copied
[09:18] <ttread> good for you kingpomba
[09:19] <skypa> no one noticed that before? :/
[09:19] <kingpomba> how is kubuntu for games anyway
[09:19] <ronaldson40> I have a HP Colour Laserjet 2600n printer that I would like to print to in both colour not only black
[09:19] <glo> can anyone help me figure out why my netcard isn't activiating at bootup?
[09:19] <Chanika> I'm basically trying to find the minimum number of packages to go from a near-default system to one that can play.. let's see... avi files. for a friend that no longer has internet, so I'll have to copy the packages manually
[09:20] <ttread> glo, is it a laptop or desktop?
[09:20] <ronaldson40> Chanika : VLC plays over 100 formats
[09:20] <glo> desktop
[09:20] <maenty> ronaldson40: by default? or you need to download lot's of codecs?
[09:20] <Chanika> ronaldson40: will it not pull in a lot of other stuff?
[09:20] <glo> Debian 3.1. It activates with kernel 2.4 but not with 2.6.8.
[09:20] <glo> ronaldson40: vlc rocks
[09:20] <ttread> glo try lspci to see what drivers you have loaded
[09:21] <glo> ok
[09:21] <Chanika> The following extra packages will be installed:
[09:21] <Chanika>   liba52-0.7.4 libaa1 libdvbpsi3 libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 libgtk1.2-common liblircclient0 libmpeg2-4 libtar
[09:21] <Chanika>   libwxgtk2.4-1 wxvlc
[09:21] <ronaldson40> yah VLC Sure does
[09:21] <Chanika> 0 upgraded, 12 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[09:21] <Chanika> hrm. I was hoping for less
[09:21] <glo> I see the card driver in there
[09:21] <maenty> does VLC come with Kubuntu by default?
[09:21] <kingpomba> 1 Day 6 Hours untill kubuntu is finished downloading :)
[09:21] <maenty> and does VLC work with amd64?
[09:22] <maenty> kingpomba: which version are you downloading?
[09:22] <Chanika> aand mplaywer is worse. 19
[09:22] <ttread> glo you can type sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:22] <ttread> maenty, no
[09:22] <ttread> maenty, vlc is in the repositories for 64 bit but I haven't tried it
[09:22] <maenty> ttread: no, doesn't come by default or no, does not work with amd64? (or both?)
[09:22] <maenty> hmm, roger
[09:23] <glo> ttread: if I use dhclient without adding something like eth0, it starts up
[09:23] <glo> I don't get it. With adding eth0, I get something ending with sleeping
[09:23] <ttread> glo, is your card being assigned to something other than eth0?  what does ifconfig say?
[09:24] <glo> let me see
[09:24] <kingpomba> maenty: the latest one i guess
[09:24] <kingpomba> it's a torrent
[09:24] <glo> how would I tell?
[09:25] <ttread> glo, type ifconfig
[09:25] <ronaldson40> is there a Print server application so that i can print on HP Laserjet 2600n ( Only windows drivers available) which can be installed on my other Windows laptop so that I can print from Kubuntu
[09:25] <kingpomba> maenty: 5.10 DVD version
[09:25] <maenty> kingpomba: does it say 5.10?
[09:25] <maenty> kingpomba: ok
[09:25] <glo> I did
[09:25] <maenty> kingpomba: I'm also planning to install it, using Windows XP now
[09:26] <maenty> kingpomba: But I'm still not sure which one should I get.. amd64 or i386 version
[09:26] <ttread> glo, it will list your interfaces, i.e. lo, eth0, eth1, etc
[09:26] <kingpomba> well what do you have
[09:26] <ronaldson40> When u install Kubuntu make sure u get the KDE 3.5 upgrade
[09:26] <kingpomba> a amd 64 bit processor or a i386 version
[09:27] <maenty> kingpomba: Well, I have 64bit AMD processor, but I'm wondering here because all programs don't yet work in 64-bit
[09:27] <maenty> ronaldson40: how to get it?
[09:27] <kingpomba> im just downloading it to try out linux anyway
[09:27] <ronaldson40> wait a sec..
[09:27] <maenty> ronaldson40: Does it come automatically if I just run some apt-get update / apt-get upgrade?
[09:28] <glo> yes it did, what exactly do I look for?
[09:28] <ttread> maenty, there are instructions on the wiki to get kde 3.5
[09:28] <maenty> kingpomba: And I'm planning to make Linux as my only OS, that's why I'd need to have all necessary programs working
[09:29] <ronaldson40> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[09:29] <ronaldson40> chek this link for upgrade instrucions
[09:29] <maenty> ttread: But I think that's for Ubuntu
[09:29] <ttread> glo, look for what interfaces it lists.  If you're on the internet it should show eth0 or something similar along with an ip address and some statistics
[09:29] <ronaldson40> to KDE 3.5.1
[09:29] <kingpomba> im just thinking wether it's worth my time now
[09:29] <ttread> maenty there are instructions to upgrade from the kde 3.4 that comes with kubuntu 5.10
[09:30] <kingpomba> i mean windblows can do basicly everything i need
[09:30] <maenty> ronaldson40: thanks
[09:30] <Captainbraille> How do I find the cdrom group and get permission to read?
[09:31] <ttread> maenty see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[09:31] <kingpomba> i might dual boot linux and winblows
[09:31] <kingpomba> kubuntu has a partrition tool right?
[09:31] <maenty> kingpomba: I'm going to doo that too first
[09:32] <glo> this appears on eth3 inet addr:67.82.143.207  Bcast:255.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.252.0
[09:32] <kingpomba> im just keeping windows incase i need it or wnat to use it or screw something up
[09:32] <maenty> oh.. how about file system btw. Can I read NTFS-files from Kubuntu?
[09:32] <kingpomba> just something to fall back on too rather than installing it and relizing i need it again and waste 200 bucks
[09:33] <ttread> ok glo that tells you that your card is being assigned as eth3 for some reason
[09:33] <kingpomba> yeah my hard drive is ntfs
[09:33] <glo> Hmm ok odd
[09:33] <maenty> kingpomba: Why it costs 200 bucks if you re-install Windows?
[09:33] <maenty> ttread: thanks
[09:34] <glo> do you know the command for reconfiguring the network?
[09:34] <ttread> glo, sorry I don't know that detail, try google
[09:34] <maenty> I used to have Red Hat and Windows in 2002.. back then I had to change from NTFS to FAT to make it work with linux
[09:34] <glo> I have been
[09:34] <glo> thanks though
[09:34] <ttread> ha ha
[09:35] <glo> I think I know how to fix it now, thanks for the lessons
[09:35] <ttread> maenty, linux, including ubuntu/kubuntu can read NTFS but cannot write to it
[09:35] <maenty> ttread: oh.. ok, that's good
[09:36] <glo> no one should use ntfs
[09:36] <kingpomba> maenty: i lost my windows disc
[09:36] <maenty> kingpomba: Lost? How?
[09:36] <glo> in the trash
[09:36] <kingpomba> yeah
[09:36] <maenty> :)
[09:36] <ttread> lol
[09:37] <kingpomba> i got this computer back when i was really really new to computers
[09:37] <kingpomba> i thought since windows was install i did'ent need it
[09:37] <kingpomba> i was painfully wrong
[09:38] <maenty> kingpomba: You don't need to go back to windows
[09:38] <maenty> kingpomba: just stig with Linux.. Most of the things you did in Windows you can do in Linux anyway, and the rest you can get used to live without
[09:39] <brydenn> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:39] <glo> yuck
[09:39] <brydenn> hehe well just buzzin really
[09:39] <brydenn> i can still type right
[09:40] <glo> kingpomba: I have been more productive on linux than I ever was on windows. give it time
[09:42] <Captainbraille> How do you get read permissions for /dev/cdrom?
[09:42] <kingpomba> im keeping windows
[09:42] <kingpomba> no one can convince me otherwise
[09:42] <kingpomba> can you have diffrent partritions then
[09:42] <maenty> I hope it is possible to slowly increase the size of linux partition
[09:43] <kingpomba> like my main drive is nTFS
[09:43] <maenty> I only have 30GB free out of 200GB, and I want to move most of the files to the linux partition
[09:43] <kingpomba> NTFS*
[09:43] <glo> Captainbraille: chown 777 /dev/cdrom
[09:43] <kingpomba> kubuntu has a partrition tool right
[09:43] <maenty> I hope so
[09:44] <kingpomba> other wise i've wasted all my time
[09:44] <Captainbraille> Hi glo, yeah, just type that in a Konsole?
[09:44] <Chanika> yeah
[09:44] <Chanika> Captainbraille: what glo said is not the best way
[09:44] <glo> nope but it works
[09:44] <Captainbraille> What is the best way Chanika?
[09:44] <Chanika> Captainbraille: if you want a user to have access to the cdrom, they should probably be added to the cdrom group
[09:45] <glo> should have thought of that
[09:45] <Captainbraille> Add to the cdrom group? How do I do that?
[09:45] <Chanika> go into hte user manager thingy
[09:45] <glo> kuser
[09:45] <glo> as root
[09:45] <Captainbraille> How do I find the cdrom group?
[09:45] <Chanika> I'm in gentoo right now so I can't be exact :)
[09:46] <Chanika> when you go to edit a user, one of the tabs will have a list of the groups they're in
[09:46] <ttread> kingpomba see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[09:46] <maenty> thaks ttread, that was good for me too :)
[09:46] <Captainbraille> Let me check this out, thanks =)
[09:46] <glo> ttread: thanks I fixed it
[09:46] <glo> going to reboot to test it. BBIAB
[09:46] <ttread> yw maenty
[09:47] <ttread> yw glo
[09:47] <glo> :)
[09:47] <Chanika> aww. the kubuntu comp I was lurking on shut down...
[09:47] <ttread> maenty, kingpomba, note that you will need to defrag first
[09:47] <ttread> also run chkdsk -f to fix any bad sectors
[09:47] <ttread> before you try resizing the partition
[09:48] <Chanika> ttread: really? ntfsresize on knoppix didn'te require any defrag
[09:48] <Captainbraille> does group number matter for the cdrom?
[09:48] <Chanika> Captainbraille: number? you shouldn't be looking at numbers
[09:48] <ttread> ok Chanika I did mine with QtParted.  I don't know ntfsresize
[09:49] <Chanika> Captainbraille: just make sure the user is in the same group as /dev/hdc (or whatever your cdrom device points to)
[09:49] <Chanika> ttread: ah. :) ntfsresize was nice, I'd nevre used it before but everything went smoothly
[09:50] <kingpomba> ttread: Rgr
[09:50] <ttread> good to know Chanika, thanks
[09:50] <Captainbraille> Chanika: I don't have group dev/hdc how do I get that?
[09:50] <Chanika> Captainbraille: not group, device...
[09:51] <Chanika> Captainbraille: go to a console and type this: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[09:51] <Chanika> then tell me what it says
[09:51] <Captainbraille> Chanika: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2006-03-03 23:13 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[09:51] <Chanika> ok, now this: ls -l /dev/hdc
[09:52] <Captainbraille> Chanika: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2006-03-03 23:13 /dev/hdc
[09:52] <Chanika> good, I was right, your users need to be in the "cdrom" group :)
[09:52] <maenty> Only way to make a shared partition for Windows and Linux (a partition which both can read/write) is to make a fat16 -partition?
[09:53] <Captainbraille> Okay =) Good, Chanika, how do I do that? =(
[09:53] <maenty> or fat32?
[09:53] <Chanika> maenty: pretty much. unless you get ext drivers for windows
[09:53] <Chanika> Captainbraille: like I said before, with the user manager thing...
[09:54] <Captainbraille> I'm in KUser right now, thats what I'm in =\
[09:54] <kingpomba> can i have it like this Windows- NTFS , Backup windows partition FAT32 ( i think 32 anyway ) and New linux partition Fat32
[09:54] <Chanika> ok, so pick a user to edit...
[09:54] <Captainbraille> okay, I have my user and I clicked edit
[09:55] <Chanika> kingpomba: no, linux will want ext2 or ext3 or reiserfs
[09:55] <kingpomba> ext2.... never heard of it
[09:55] <kingpomba> or any of the other listed for that matter
[09:56] <kingpomba> but kubuntu has a tool that will take care of that right?
[09:57] <Chanika> should do, yeah
[09:57] <_skaman> anybody can indicate me a good launcher?
[09:57] <maenty> kingpomba: I'll do ext3 for linux installation, and maybe fat32 for file storage
[09:57] <maenty> kingpomba: and then NTFS for Windows
[09:57] <Chanika> personally I don't much like the tool in the kubuntu installer, I set up my partitions from knoppix beforehand. but I've done this stuff a zilion times
[09:57] <kingpomba> just out of intrest can linux do something that windows can't
[09:58] <kingpomba> the windows obviously exists
[09:58] <Chanika> kingpomba: you mean like not ever getting viruses? :)
[09:58] <maenty> does knoppix have qtparted ?
[09:58] <Chanika> nevre having spyware?
[09:58] <kingpomba> i know what im doing chanika
[09:58] <kingpomba> hav'ent got a virus or spyware in years
[09:58] <maenty> I have knoppix somewhere.. maybe I could use that first to resize the NTFS
[09:58] <kingpomba> i got SLAX somewhere
[09:58] <Chanika> giving you loads of pretty eye candy right out of the box... way more configuration...
[09:58] <Chanika> bash...
[09:59] <ttread> with LInux you can run your own webserver and development system without spending 1000s of dollars
[09:59] <Chanika> heh, that too
[09:59] <ronaldson40> where do i find the fstab
[09:59] <ronaldson40> config file
[09:59] <Chanika> ronaldson40: /etc/fstab
[09:59] <kingpomba> don't know where  ... i put my linux - slax disc asside cause my usb keyboard did'ent work to change the boot order
[09:59] <kingpomba> im going to buy a really cheap ps2 keyboard
[10:00] <ttread> with Linux you can change your desktop among a half-dozen choices ... like to see Windows do that
[10:00] <Chanika> I hate using windows these days. it feels so *limited*
[10:00] <maenty> ttread: You prefer KDE?
[10:00] <ronaldson40> k
[10:00] <Chanika> I go to do some trivial little thing and then remember 0 no, windows doesn't do that...
[10:00] <ttread> Yep Chanika I hate when I have to use windblows
[10:00] <maenty> btw can anyone say, why KDE is better than Gnome? I've never used Gnome before, but I used KDE back in 2002
[10:00] <Chanika> even with cygwin it's a hassle.
[10:00] <Chanika> well, cygwin itself is a hassle...
[10:01] <ttread> maenty I like both Gnome and KDE, I guess I prefer KDE
[10:01] <skypa^coffee> anyone else tried fireing up katapult while using windows? ^^
[10:01] <Chanika> maenty: lately gnome seems to be horribly cutting back features and configurability in the name of usability, from what I've heard
[10:01] <Chanika> but I haven't actually used it in ages
[10:01] <Chanika> I've always preferred kde. so convenient and pretty.
[10:02] <kingpomba> only got like 28 gig free
[10:02] <kingpomba> how much will linux need
[10:02] <maenty> kingpomba: same here :) 28 gig free here
[10:02] <Chanika> kingpomba: 3gig for a basic install, probably
[10:02] <maenty> kingpomba: I heard you need at least 10gig for the linux isntallation
[10:02] <maenty> kingpomba: or 10gig is recommended
[10:03] <Chanika> kingpomba: of course you'll want more for it to actually be fun
[10:03] <maenty> kingpomba: +500MB for swap
[10:03] <ttread> it depends on how many apps you install
[10:03] <Chanika> iirc my bf's comp has a 3gig linux partition right now. he was really, really short on disk space...
[10:03] <kingpomba> most im probally willing to give up is 15 gig
[10:03] <kingpomba> and thats pushing it
[10:04] <Chanika> kingpomba: I've nevre needed more than that, so long as I don't go on an anime-downloading spree
[10:04] <kingpomba> if i go on a anime downloading spree ill probally do it on windows
[10:04] <kingpomba> i was also thinking of trying the younger distros like mephis
[10:05] <maenty> Is there any way to convert partition from one format to other, without making it empty?
[10:05] <kingpomba> probally not
[10:05] <ttread> maenty, not that I know of
[10:05] <kingpomba> i always thought it would wipe the data clean
[10:05] <maenty> I guess I just have to delete lot's of stuff, so I don't have to do the resizing 10 times
[10:05] <kingpomba> back up all your data then do it
[10:07] <maenty> kingpomba: I have 170 gigs of stuff, and only CDRW-drive
[10:07] <kingpomba> :/
[10:07] <kingpomba> i got a dvd drive but still you would need alot of discs to back that up
[10:07] <maenty> kingpomba: However, if I go thru all the stuff, I might be able to delete at least 20 gigs of unnecessary, which still leaves 150gigs of stuff
[10:08] <kingpomba> you would neeed  36.1702128 4.7 gb dvds
[10:09] <maenty> how many 700MB cds? :)
[10:09] <kingpomba> 242.857143
[10:10] <maenty> that's lots of cds
[10:10] <kingpomba> yes
[10:10] <maenty> I guess I just have to do it with risk
[10:10] <kingpomba> would be easier to buy a external drive at that point
[10:10] <maenty> I'll use knoppix and try to see whether it has any good partition programs
[10:11] <maenty> and burn 650mb of the most important stuff to CDRW
[10:11] <DevGet> I have a avi movie and a subtitle file, and I want to burn it to cd so that I can play it on a dvd-player, how to do that?
[10:12] <kingpomba> you could make it a vcd or svcd i guess
[10:12] <ttread> DevGet, take a look at dvdstyler
[10:12] <kingpomba> if you figure out a way to convert them
[10:14] <frantic> is there a firewall installed by default with 5.10?
[10:14] <frantic> iptables?
[10:14] <Chanika> nah
[10:14] <frantic> you know if ipfw is supported on linux?
[10:14] <kingpomba> can kubuntu play dvds
[10:14] <ttread> frantic, iptables is there but it's not configured to filter anything
[10:14] <Chanika> kingpomba: yes, when you install the right stuff
[10:15] <kingpomba> lol dos'ent anything i want come pre installed
[10:15] <kingpomba> sigh
[10:15] <frantic> thanks ttread, I'm not familiar with the syntax of iptables, would it be easy to add a rule blocking access to port 80 except for a specific ip range?
[10:16] <ttread> frantic, iptables has a learning curve.  There are some GUI tools for configuring it but I haven't tried them
[10:16] <frantic> do you know if i can load ipfw?
[10:17] <ttread> frantic, ipfwadm is in the universe repository
[10:17] <mralexsir> kingpomba - linux was never designed to play films by default - see ubuntuguide.org for full write up
[10:18] <Chanika> kingpomba: it's not like it's hard to install stuff :)
[10:19] <kingpomba> i heard linux uses .rpms or something to install stuff
[10:19] <frantic> ty ttread
[10:19] <Chanika> real distros do not use RPM :P
[10:19] <maenty> kingpomba: apt-get
[10:19] <ttread> frantic, I'm not sure
[10:19] <DevGet> dvdstyler was nice
[10:19] <DevGet> but first I need to convert to mpeg
[10:19] <Chanika> kingpomba: debian-based distros use apt-get. it pretty much does everything for you
[10:19] <maenty> kingpomba: RPMs are for Red Hat
[10:19] <kingpomba> oh ok
[10:20] <Chanika> kingpomba: just go into the package manager gui, search for the package you want, click the install button, preview the changes then commit them :)
[10:21] <mralexsir> anyone know about cubepanel?
[10:21] <kingpomba> im going to need a dvd player program , a im program (msn,irc) , do any of my windows games work without wine? wow , et , source games , and probally something to code c++ and python in
[10:21] <maenty> kingpomba: vlc plays DVDs http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/graphics/vlc
[10:21] <ttread> DevGet, mplayer/mencoder can convert .avi -> .mpg, however the process is a little complicated
[10:22] <Chanika> kingpomba: kubuntu has kopete for IM. there are various proggies for playing videos, music, etc. games could take some effort though
[10:22] <maenty> how to install vlc to Kubuntu? Just typing apt-get install vlc ?
[10:22] <mralexsir> kingpomba - GAIM for IM
[10:23] <Chanika> maenty: sure
[10:23] <ttread> kingpomba, you should have no trouble with any of that except the games
[10:23] <maenty> does Kubuntu come with some Jabber client?
[10:23] <Chanika> maenty: it can also be done from the gui if you like, but when you already know the name, typing's often faster :)
[10:23] <Chanika> maenty: kopete
[10:24] <kingpomba> i heard quake games work on linux
[10:24] <Chanika> kingpomba: I can't remember about that... but I have played ut, and have nwn installed right now
[10:24] <Chanika> and there are plenty of fun linux games out there
[10:24] <maenty> Chanika: perfect. Thanks
[10:25] <kingpomba> yeah like arcade games :/
[10:25] <ttread> maenty, Kopete and Gaim both handle Jabber
[10:25] <kingpomba> im a gamer...so thats one of the reasons im keeping windows
[10:25] <Chanika> speaking of kopete, I must get back to staring at aim packets...
[10:26] <maenty> kingpomba: same here
[10:26] <Chanika> kingpomba: yah, games are still an issue. I've heard cedega is pretty good, but it's been a while since I tried it myself
[10:26] <maenty> kingpomba: but luckily best games also work in Linux (freeciv, old dos games (dosbox) etc
[10:26] <ronaldson40> can i put Gaim in Kubuntu
[10:26] <Chanika> and my games are mostly obscure ones that nobody got working. alothough one has a native linux port, yay :)
[10:26] <maenty> And I guess there is Commondore 64-emulator and Amiga-emulator also for linux
[10:26] <crimsun> ronaldson40: sure
[10:27] <ronaldson40> how do i do that
[10:27] <ronaldson40> Its a RPM file
[10:27] <kingpomba> 18% done
[10:27] <Chanika> ronaldson40: delete the rpm, and install it from apt-get
[10:27] <maenty> Is there amiga-emulator, dosbox, and C64-emulator installable from apt-get?
[10:28] <Chanika> maenty: dosbox certainly
[10:28] <Chanika> it prolly has the others too, but I haven't looked
[10:28] <maenty> Is there some website that I can see list of programs that I can install with apt-get?
[10:28] <crimsun> vice -> c64
[10:28] <maenty> for amd64-version, the dosbox also has to be amd64-version to work?
[10:28] <kingpomba> Hoary is the right one , right?
[10:28] <Chanika> well, debian had a site for that, and kubuntu has most of the same stuff as debian...
[10:29] <ttread> maenty, all of them are there
[10:29] <crimsun> uae -> amiga
[10:29] <Chanika> maenty: why not just install it and see? :)
[10:29] <crimsun> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <crimsun> may I also introduce you to apt-cache search?
[10:29] <maenty> Chanika: Because I'm still in the middle of decision, whether to use amd64 version or not..
[10:29] <Chanika> ahh.
[10:29] <maenty> Chanika: Trying to determine if it will cause too many problems.. Would everything be easier if I just install i386-version
[10:30] <crimsun> some things would be easier, yes
[10:30] <ronaldson40> k
[10:30] <maenty> crimsun: it is a search I can do in the Linux to look for apt-packets?
[10:30] <crimsun> maenty: apt-cache search, yes
[10:30] <ttread> maenty, if you're new to linux I'd suggest the 32-bit version, you will have less complications
[10:30] <crimsun> maenty: I gave you the URL for the Web front end
[10:31] <maenty> ttread: I used to have linux as my only OS in 2002. One day I just decided I won't use Windows anymore, installed Red Hat as my only operating system.. Never used Linux before :)
[10:31] <maenty> ttread: So I learnt something during that half a year Linux was my only OS. Had lot's of problems installing some program, because of dependencies
[10:32] <ronaldson40> crimsun i am doin it throu adept
[10:32] <maenty> crimsun: thanks, I opened it now
[10:32] <Chanika> maenty: ah yes, dependency hell...
[10:32] <ttread> maenty, cool.   I started on RH8 myself
[10:32] <Chanika> that's why I don't use rpm distros
[10:32] <ronaldson40> What is Katapult for??
[10:32] <ronaldson40> It is just sitting on my taskbar
[10:33] <kingpomba> what would you say was the best distro after kubuntu
[10:34] <maenty> Having my previous my experience, I think I'll really like this apt-get
[10:34] <maenty> Is it so, that if I install vlc with apt-get install vlc, it will get all necessary packets to make it work?
[10:34] <maenty> And if I have amd64, it will automatically get amd64-version of the vlc and all other necessary packets to make it work?
[10:35] <maenty> kingpomba: Ubuntu? ;)
[10:35] <ttread> maenty, yes that's the way it works.
[10:35] <kingpomba> ... you can't say ubuntu
[10:35] <mralexsir> I've got two installs on the go
[10:35] <mralexsir> Kbuntu on my laptop for the wireless capability
[10:36] <mralexsir> and Fedora Core 3 on a  desktop I'm hoping to turn into a web server
[10:36] <maenty> kingpomba: When I made decision some weeks ago to start using Linux again, I first had 6 choises: Gentoo, Debian, SUSE, Ubuntu and Fedora Core.. then I started asking and searching info about them
[10:36] <ronaldson40> Fedora would be the next best distro
[10:36] <maenty> kingpomba: in the end, my choices where SUSE and Kubuntu
[10:36] <ttread> "Best" really depends on what the intended use is
[10:37] <maenty> kingpomba: Mandriva was also in the list
[10:37] <Tonio_> lo
[10:37] <kingpomba> yeah i was choosing between
[10:37] <kingpomba> Mandrivia , Suse , Mehpis , Kubuntu
[10:37] <Chanika> gentoo rocks :)
[10:38] <maenty> kingpomba: I based my choices in the fact that I've been Windows user for a long time and I don't want to get into dependency-hell that I got in before
[10:38] <Chanika> but it's not exactly a newbie distro
[10:38] <maenty> Yap that's what I've heard too. For very experienced user, Gentoo might be the best
[10:39] <Chanika> I use gentoo for myself, and give kubuntu to friends
[10:39] <kingpomba> whats the advantage of gentoo
[10:39] <Chanika> kingpomba: lots and lots of control
[10:39] <maenty> kingpomba: Gentoo apparently makes all the stuff from sources to fit exactly to your PC, while installing
[10:40] <maenty> kingpomba: Or at least most of the stuff
[10:40] <Chanika> plus a bit of extra speed, at the expense of compiling everything from source
[10:40] <ronaldson40> Anyway wats so different abt SUSE
[10:40] <ttread> with Gentoo you configure everything yourself and learn a lot in the process
[10:40] <Chanika> suse is owned by novell, for one
[10:40] <maenty> SUSE is bought by Novell
[10:40] <maenty> However, they do have the opensuse nowadays
[10:41] <ronaldson40> Why is SUSE more userfriendly?
[10:41] <kingpomba> it is
[10:41] <kingpomba> ...
[10:41] <ttread> suse is nice, very complete, kind of bloated though
[10:41] <Chanika> ronaldson40: novell puts effort into polishing it?
[10:42] <ronaldson40> can i see some screenshots of SUSE
[10:42] <kingpomba> google is your friend
[10:42] <ronaldson40> k
[10:42] <Chanika> ronaldson40: there are plenty of them online
[10:42] <maenty> ronaldson40: I guess SUSE can look like anything, like any other distro too
[10:43] <Chanika> maenty: heh, good point :)
[10:43] <mralexsir> Changing the subject
[10:43] <Chanika> although I think it uses gnome by default
[10:43] <mralexsir> KDE or GNOME?
[10:43] <mralexsir> I've got one machine running 1 and this one running KDE
[10:43] <Chanika> mralexsir: well, this is *K*ubuntu
[10:43] <mralexsir> I only move to *K*ubuntu (:P) because I didnt like ht brown theme of Ubuntu
[10:44] <mralexsir> and it was too much like hard work to change it all
[10:44] <maenty> mralexsir:  go to #ubuntu and ask why GNOME is better ? :)
[10:44] <Chanika> kde makes it nice and easy to prettify things :)
[10:44] <mralexsir> I prefer it cos its got the start button in the right place
[10:44] <ronaldson40> nowdays when i search on google, i get a "403 Forbidden" and I need to enter the confirmation code... does anyone get that
[10:44] <maenty> mralexsir: take GNOME if you want it simple, and KDE if you want to have more configurability
[10:44] <mralexsir> I know thats not the attitude
[10:45] <mralexsir> yeah I did feel kinda wrapped up in gnome too
[10:45] <mralexsir> goddam slowass downloads
[10:46] <maenty> when I first install Kubuntu, should I do "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" ?
[10:46] <mralexsir> upgrade
[10:46] <maenty> or even "apt-get dist-upgrade" or something?
[10:46] <ttread> maenty, update then upgrade
[10:47] <maenty> ttread: It will update all of the programs?
[10:47] <mralexsir> I thought upgrade did update as part of it?
[10:48] <mralexsir> update makes sure you've got the full package lists
[10:48] <mralexsir> or so I though
[10:48] <ttread> mralexsir, I have seen it written to do both
[10:48] <mralexsir> t
[10:48] <mralexsir> I was going to say - I ran upgrade and it update and installed about 500+ apps
[10:49] <Chanika> maenty: or you can go into the pakage manager (adept?) and click buttons to upgrade :)
[10:49] <ttread> maenty, it will update all the programs, yes, although with ubuntu/kubuntu the standard repositories only upgrade for security patches
[10:49] <Chanika> maenty: oh yeah, you'll probably want the universe and multiverse sources
[10:49] <luisito> mralexsir: I have done a brown Color Scheme in Kubuntu that looks much more better than the ubuntu human.
[10:50] <kingpomba> are we breezy or hoary i keep forggeting
[10:50] <maenty> Chanika: what are those?
[10:51] <ttread> breezy here
[10:51] <Chanika> maenty: repositories with more stuff you'll probably want. iirc they have stuff like mp3 and flash
[10:51] <luisito> in fact... http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=35733
[10:51] <kingpomba> wait what is the latest version of kubuntu called
[10:51] <kingpomba> breezy?
[10:52] <Chanika> dapper drake, I think...
[10:52] <Chanika> that one is still unstable, right?
[10:52] <ttread> the latest stable release is breezy
[10:52] <kingpomba> version 5.10
[10:52] <Chanika> and breezy is stable
[10:52] <ttread> breezy = 5.10
[10:52] <kingpomba> oh ok
[10:53] <maenty> Do I need to change sources if I install amd64-version?
[10:54] <maenty> I just read in other channel that Kubuntu has stuff like GAIM, GIMP, nautilus (scp program) in default package.. so it means those should be included in amd64-version
[10:54] <Heinkel> good morning :)
[10:55] <ttread> maenty, Ubuntu has all those programs.  Kubuntu has parallel apps that do same functions
[10:55] <Chanika> maenty: why not just try it? :) you can always delete stuff later if it doesn't work out
[10:56] <Heinkel> can someone recommend a program for restructuring ntfs partitions on a harddisk?
[10:56] <ttread> maenty, the repositories are configured for AMD 64 and all the same apps are there.  Actually I don't know how it knows to get the 64-bit versions because I can't see any difference in the configuration.  Anyway, all the apps work
[10:56] <Heinkel> i need to physically move data so I can make a new partition decent size
[10:56] <Chanika> ntfsresize?
[10:56] <maenty> ttread: okay. I think i'll get the amd64-version
[10:57] <Heinkel> can i run that from the kubuntu 5.10 live cd?
[10:57] <maenty> ttread: with VLC, it should be possible to play .wmv and quicktime movies too
[10:57] <maenty> ttread: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/graphics/vlc
[10:57] <Heinkel> can i run ntfsresize from the kubuntu 5.10 live cd?
[10:57] <ttread> maenty, I haven't tried VLC yet but intend to
[10:57] <Chanika> Heinkel: dunno. try it.
[10:58] <Chanika> Heinkel: I know it's on knoppix
[10:58] <Heinkel> ah, i am going to try that then
[10:58] <maenty> ttread: How about the codecs? The famous win32codecs do not work with amd64, so probably vlc won't play anything..
[10:58] <Heinkel> i have knoppix 4 lying around here
[10:58] <Heinkel> somewhere *looks at piles of shit on dekstop*
[10:58] <ttread> maenty, don't know the answer to that question
[10:59] <Heinkel> thank you for advice, Chanika
[10:59] <Chanika> :)
[10:59] <kingpomba> any decent games for linux
[11:00] <ttread> kingpomba, I know people who have run Doom/Quake on Linux and it runs well
[11:00] <Chanika> kingpomba: google is your friend
[11:00] <Chanika> there are various linux gaming sites I've forgotten the names of
[11:00] <kingpomba> i have tryed google
[11:01] <maenty> So basically, when I use Kubuntu, I don't need to download / install any programs separatedly, or compile, because I can get most of the stuff using apt-get?
[11:02] <ttread> maenty, most stuff, yes
[11:03] <mralexsir> Open Office or KOffice?
[11:04] <kingpomba> i've only used open office
[11:04] <mralexsir> yeah me too
[11:04] <kingpomba> i like it's graphics and presentation program
[11:04] <mralexsir> I was just reading the banner that says KOffice 1.5 now out
[11:04] <ttread> late, I'm going to bed... nite all
[11:04] <Chanika> metoo
[11:04] <mralexsir> where are you based?
[11:04] <mralexsir> Ir's 1000 here :D
[11:04] <SleepingChani> it's 2am
[11:04] <ttread> 02:05 here
[11:05] <mralexsir> rofl :D
[11:05] <kingpomba> 9:05pm/21:04
[11:06] <kingpomba> im aussie
[11:06] <maenty> 12:10 here
[11:06] <kingpomba> man it's so hot
[11:07] <kingpomba> i hate summer
[11:07] <kingpomba> i got sun burnt on my neck the other day because i forgot to put sunscreen there
[11:08] <ronaldson40> How do i change my log in screen
[11:08] <maenty> root? :)
[11:08] <maenty> some channels kick you out for that
[11:10] <ronaldson40> so is it possible to change my login screen in kubuntu
[11:13] <kingpomba> yes ronald
[11:13] <ronaldson40> how?
[11:13] <kingpomba> http://www.kde-look.org/ check it out there
[11:13] <maenty> By the way, don't apt-get update + apt-get upgrade automatically update the KDE also to KDE 3.5.1?
[11:14] <kingpomba> splash screen or something
[11:14] <ronaldson40> k
[11:17] <pulver> i'm having problem with the splash image on my 1280x800 display.. copied Background-1280x800 to Background.jpg, changed BaseResolution in Theme.rc to 1280x800, cleared ksplash cache, but when testing it doesn't scale right, height is like 80% and a big black border below =/ any ideas?
[11:17] <jpatrick> pulver: known bug
[11:17] <pulver> jpatrick: it is? is there a fix?
[11:17] <jpatrick> no
[11:17] <rysiek|pl> hi there guys
[11:18] <pulver> jpatrick: ok thanks for the info :)
[11:18] <jpatrick> we discussed it for ages in the devel channel
[11:18] <pulver> oh ok
[11:18] <rysiek|pl> jpatrick: what have you been discussing?
[11:18] <jpatrick> bug in ksplash-engine-moodin with backgrounds
[11:19] <rysiek|pl> ah
[11:21] <rysiek|pl> does anybody have an idea how to make the GIMP make an indexed palette, where certain indexes are set-up by the user, and the rest is generated ("generate best")?
[11:22] <rysiek|pl> trying to make USplash fit into my graphical theme, and need to set the font colours right ;)
[11:26] <rysiek|pl> anybody? man, where *do* those usplash-devs lurk?..
[11:27] <maenty> does GIMP work in KDE?
[11:27] <rysiek|pl> maenty: yep, like a charm
[11:27] <rysiek|pl> it uses Gtk2, so it works everywhere, where Gtk2 works
[11:27] <jpatrick> maenty: Krita++
[11:27] <maenty> rysiek|pl: Did it come with kubuntu by default?
[11:27] <jpatrick> maenty: no
[11:28] <maenty> jpatrick: Krita is the main graphics editor in KDE?
[11:28] <maenty> jpatrick: is it as good as GIMP? same functionality?
[11:28] <dumkopf> Yeah, Krita is the graphics editing package that comes with Kubuntu
[11:28] <jpatrick> No, it's part of KOffice and is default in Kubuntu
[11:29] <maenty> I'm currently using GIMP in windows, and I'd like to get the same or at least program with same functionality in Kubuntu
[11:29] <dumkopf> just apt-get install gimp, then
[11:29] <jpatrick> Krita's like Photoshop
[11:29] <dumkopf> there's no reason you can't have it
[11:30] <maenty> roger that, dumkopf
[11:30] <maenty> I might try the Krita first
[11:30] <maenty> if Krita offers me everything I need, I might not install GIMP at all
[11:31] <dumkopf> all comes down to personal preference, i suppose
[11:31] <jpatrick> as always
[11:31] <dumkopf> both packages are comparable in power and usability, it's just their organization and presentation that is different
[11:33] <Enlight_uni> Hi! Guys, Its my first use of kubuntu (and any distro using apt-get or a front-end) and I was wondering wich package do the acx_pci driver belong to?
[11:33] <mdke> hi. Can somebody tell me how to install kubuntu on dapper at the moment. kubuntu-desktop is uninstallable
[11:33] <dumkopf> mdke: the kubuntu dapper install CD, perhaps?
[11:34] <mdke> dumkopf, there must be another way
[11:34] <dumkopf> mdke: or are you interested in using KDE as your desktop on a running vanilla Ubuntu install?
[11:34] <jpatrick> can you pastebin the problem?
[11:34] <mdke> jpatrick, no need:   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: openoffice.org2-kde
[11:34] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: sudo apt-cache search acx_pci :)
[11:34] <mdke> dumkopf, i don't know about vanilla, but yes, on an ubuntu install
[11:35] <jpatrick> argg they updated the openoffice packages...
[11:35] <mdke> jpatrick, i'm sure there is a way round this, but I'm not so good with dpkg/apt
[11:35] <dumkopf> mdke: Add your extra repos, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, and then try?
[11:35] <mdke> dumkopf, which extra repos?
[11:35] <zulqar> hi
[11:35] <dumkopf> mdke: multiverse and backports
[11:35] <rysiek|pl> hello
[11:35] <noteventime> 'ello
[11:35] <mdke> dumkopf, kubuntu is in Main though...
[11:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> dumkopf: shouldnt need to
[11:35] <zulqar> is there real way to see vcd cd :(
[11:35] <zulqar> ?
[11:36] <jpatrick> dumkopf: he's on Dapper there are no backports
[11:36] <rysiek|pl> !restricted
[11:36] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:36] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Thanks again for yesterday :)
[11:36] <nxv_> hi, a friend showed me xgl on his gentoo machine. will xgl be in the dapper release? is there an easy way to activate it at the moment?
[11:36] <zulqar> i download win32 code from website
[11:36] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: well I don't know if it does the same thing but Adept's filter is unable to find anything acx related
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: try just installing openoffice.org2-KDE and see what the error is
[11:36] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: no problem :) fighting hard with usplash now
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> track the problem to it's source
[11:36] <zulqar> and place into /usr/lib/win32
[11:36] <noteventime> nxv_: Yes, Xgl is quite easy
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> nxv_: it will not be in dapper though
[11:36] <noteventime> nxv_: And availible on dapper drake repositrys
[11:36] <jpatrick> mdke: apt-get install kde
[11:37] <zulqar> but still kaffine say plugin not found
[11:37] <zulqar> ?
[11:37] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, it is removing most of openoffice
[11:37] <dumkopf> jpatrick: yar.  i add them as a reflex, i guess.
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> zulqar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:37] <noteventime> Dapper has a backports repa :O
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> that should help you
[11:37] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: yep, no answer!
[11:37] <jpatrick> mdke: and kubuntu-default-settings
[11:37] <mdke> jpatrick, there is no "kde" package
[11:37] <noteventime> kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <dumkopf> mdke: kubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: hmmm... what is this acx_pci anyway?
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: i recal seeming something about thta on the list (Kubuntu user upgrading), IIRC there was supposed to be a fixed package making itswasy through the system
[11:37] <mdke> dumkopf, that's where we started from. it is uninstallable!
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> it might not be in the repos
[11:37] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: I've gotten a blue screen with uslash
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: IIRC there was a binary pacakge repo. give me a minute or 5 to look
[11:38] <mdke> grumph
[11:38] <dumkopf> mdke: why?  no installation candidate?  unmeetable dependency?
[11:38] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: It's supposed to be the same image as yesterday
[11:38] <nxv_> noteventime: i have installed the xserver-xgl, how can i activate it?
[11:38] <mdke> dumkopf, yes, I pasted it. openoffice.org2-kde
[11:38] <noteventime> nx_: YOu
[11:38] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: an external module for the kernel adding support for TI chipset based wifi cards
[11:38] <noteventime> nx_: You can run it in a window
[11:38] <noteventime> nx_: What GPU vendor?
[11:38] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: I got the image all right, but on the default vga16fb framebufer - and I want to have 1024x768 console
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: ok, let's try installing from sources, then :)
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> as I said, might not be in the repos
[11:39] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: Ok, what is the 640x480  image specs, also 14colors?
[11:39] <nxv_> noteventime: ati
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> nope, gimme a sec
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> !usplash
[11:39] <ubotu> somebody said usplash was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[11:39] <dumkopf> KDE integration for OpenOffice.org.  hm.
[11:39] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[11:39] <dumkopf> mdke: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:40] <noteventime> nx_: sudo Xgl :1 -ac -accel xgl:pbuffer -accel vx:pbuffer
[11:40] <mdke> dumkopf, it is main and restricted
[11:40] <rysiek|pl> I would add something to it, but a little later, when I actually test it and have it working ;)
[11:40] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: I've done that guide :D
[11:40] <mdke> dumkopf, and source for those too
[11:40] <dumkopf> mdke: i can almost guarantee that your problem is there, if apt can't find it.  i'm running Dapper and it's in my cache
[11:40] <zulqar> thank you will download and try
[11:40] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: do you have the webpage for this software
[11:40] <mdke> dumkopf, it is not that it isn't available, it is that the dependencies are broken
[11:41] <noteventime> nx_: That should give you a grayish looking window
[11:41] <rysiek|pl> noteventime: yep, me too. and then I understood it lacks a few things - and then, I got it to work on the default framebuffer :)
[11:41] <noteventime> ok
[11:41] <nxv_> noteventime: yes it does, and how can i start something in there?
[11:41] <dumkopf> mdke: what happens when you try to install OpenOffice.org2-kde ?
[11:41] <mdke> dumkopf, dist-upgrade and you will probably see that openoffice.org2 get's removed
[11:41] <noteventime> nxv_: In a new console write DISPLAY=:1 startkde
[11:42] <Enlight_uni> not at this time, but it must be a package installed on the install cd 'cause this one installed it, but I just can't find the name of the package.
[11:42] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: it's not a big deal, I'll look later, I 've got to go ++
[11:42] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: ok, cu later then :)
[11:43] <nxv_> noteventime: something is starting, i am excited :)
[11:43] <noteventime> nxv__: :D
[11:44] <kingpomba> what version of KDE comes with 5.10
[11:44] <noteventime> nxv_: :D
[11:44] <noteventime> kingpomba: 3.4 i think
[11:44] <noteventime> nxv_: Has KDE started yet?
[11:45] <nxv_> noteventime: yes, but icons of the windows come very slow and most of them remain black
[11:45] <noteventime> nxv_: Do you have the binary ATI drivers?
[11:46] <noteventime> nxv_: Anyway, do you have compiz installed?
[11:46] <nxv_> noteventime: hm, i have installed a long time ago :) fglrxinfo looks for me like ati driver
[11:47] <nxv_> noteventime: no, had not, i am installing it now
[11:47] <kingpomba> woot 25% of the way there
[11:48] <noteventime> nxv_:Ok, tell me when compiz is finished :)
[11:49] <nxv_> noteventime: my father called me. he needs my help, so i have to go. just one last question. is it yet possible to use xgl as the default xserver?
[11:50] <noteventime> nxv_: Yes, but i wouldn't recommend it if your on an ATI card
[11:50] <rysiek|pl> gotta get one of them nVidias at last...
[11:50] <nxv_> noteventime: okay perhaps when my desktop is running again i can use it there. it has an nvidia. thx for the information
[11:51] <nxv_> ill come back to learn some more about what is possible at the moment in kubuntu
[11:51] <nxv_> cu
[11:51] <noteventime> nxv_: Np ATi might come with some better drivers soon
[11:51] <noteventime> bye :D
[11:52] <noteventime> rysiek|pl: You wouldn't know if there is some kind of kill application applet in KDE, there is onein gnome
[11:53] <kingpomba> heh i like this splash screen http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11098
[11:53] <kingpomba> only 75% more to go before the dvd version of kubuntu is done
[11:53] <noteventime> nice
[11:54] <noteventime> Is there a pdf editor for Linux, like acrobat?
[11:54] <rysiek|pl> as for the kill app, I always use kill from console ;)
[11:54] <kingpomba> not sure if their a editor
[11:54] <kingpomba> theres a reader
[11:54] <noteventime> i know
[11:54] <rysiek|pl> there's a pdf_printer :)
[11:55] <noteventime> And openoffice has builtin exporter
[11:55] <rysiek|pl> yep
[11:55] <noteventime> KPDF rules, it's muuuuuuuch better then Adobe reader
[11:55] <noteventime> I'l try scribus
[11:57] <rysiek|pl> gone testing usplash. brb
[12:01] <kingpomba> would kubuntu make a decent appche server
[12:03] <noteventime> kingpomba: sure
[12:03] <noteventime> kingpomba: There is a server version of ubuntu
[12:10] <linuxboyfriend> hi all
[12:10] <linuxboyfriend> is there any frontend for wvdial?
[12:12] <Lure> linuxboyfriend: isn't kppp for that?
[12:13] <curuxz> hey all
[12:14] <curuxz> can anyone give me a quick peice of advice on xorg.conf please
[12:14] <curuxz> i want to know how to increase the gama level on a certain monitor (or all if you cant select juse one)
[12:14] <curuxz> anyone know what i should do?
[12:14] <linuxboyfriend> Lure: i think so but i dont know why kppp is not working well and wvdial is perfectly working ?)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> curuxz: i think you can do that in system settings
[12:19] <curuxz> realy i thought it was controled in the xorg file :S
[12:19] <curuxz> ill try it when im back in KDE
[12:20] <Hobbsee> system settings, display, IIRC, should be the gui frontend for controlling that
[12:20] <curuxz> im still doing package updates, since i had to reinstall ubuntu because i have changed the drives around, installed 2 sound cards for audio editing reasons and pluged in 3 monitors across 3 graphics cards......hate reinstalling, but had to for all that
[12:20] <curuxz> thanks :)
[12:21] <rysiek|pl> I'm back
[12:22] <rysiek|pl> anybody has an idea why dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) does *not* use mkinitrd.conf to make the new initrd.img?
[12:24] <curuxz> dont know maybe its looking to another copy of that file
[12:24] <curuxz> i seem to remember from my days of playing in gentoo you had to change symlinks when recompiling kernels
[12:24] <rysiek|pl> I have only one copy of that file
[12:25] <simone> hi everybody... any of you using Umbrello (UML design)?
[12:25] <rysiek|pl> dpkg-reconfigure does the symlinks by itsels (I mean the initrd and vmlinuz symlinks)
[12:25] <curuxz> odd, have you looked on the forums at the kernel howtos?
[12:25] <rysiek|pl> nope. I thought it's (K)Ubuntu-specific problem
[12:26] <rysiek|pl> my Debian-friend hasn't got that issue
[12:27] <curuxz> have you installed all the header packages and source packages
[12:27] <curuxz> maybe something is missing
[12:28] <rysiek|pl> I can do a new image without any problems with mkinitrd (then it uses the conf file), but I would like to have the proper scripts run
[12:28] <rysiek|pl> so I'd prefer the dpkg-reconfigure way
[12:29] <rysiek|pl> besides - when I do it with mkinitrd I get the RESUME option right, and the modles I would like to have in initrd, but I don't get the usplash. If I use dpkg-reconfigure - it's the other way around.
[12:29] <_oliver> hi
[12:29] <rysiek|pl> 'ello
[12:30] <_oliver> anyone able to tell me why i can't switch to admin mode anymore? whenever i click "administrator mode" the red frame appears - then dissappears and nothing happend
[12:30] <rysiek|pl> what verion of Kubuntu are you running?
[12:30] <rysiek|pl> *version
[12:30] <_oliver> 5.10 afaik
[12:31] <rysiek|pl> I got this bug too. I *think* it might be repaired in Dapper
[12:31] <rysiek|pl> what you need to configure, maybe we can do it with editing the conf files
[12:31] <_oliver> anyway to fix it? because i can't work with it like this
[12:31] <_oliver> a lot of things, network settings, partitions (swap esp.)
[12:32] <_oliver> It worked in the first sessions though- when I rebooted it refused to work
[12:32] <_oliver> not even the password window shows up any longer
[12:32] <rysiek|pl> d'oh
[12:32] <rysiek|pl> frankly - I don't know how to fix that
[12:32] <rysiek|pl> but I can help you with editing the config files
[12:33] <Hobbsee> _oliver: use kdesu kcontrol
[12:33] <rysiek|pl> so that you can do the configuration without the wizards
[12:33] <_oliver> kdesu kcontrol is found where exactly?
[12:33] <rysiek|pl> input it in console
[12:33] <_oliver> k
[12:33] <rysiek|pl> !kdesu
[12:33] <ubotu> methinks kdesu is :Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you  have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater "
[12:34] <noteventime> !kdesu adept
[12:34] <ubotu> noteventime: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:34] <noteventime> :P
[12:34] <_oliver> !kcontrol
[12:34] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _oliver
[12:34] <Evil_H> !xine
[12:34] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Evil_H
[12:35] <noteventime> !gstreamer
[12:35] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[12:35] <noteventime> !kubuntu
[12:35] <ubotu> well, kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[12:35] <Evil_H> does the xine engine for amarok play WMA files?
[12:35] <_oliver> kcontrol leaves me with exactly the same problem and kdesu ain't working
[12:35] <noteventime> With w32codecs i think
[12:35] <noteventime> !ubuntu
[12:35] <ubotu> ubuntu is, like, an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It's Bantu for 'Humanity to others'. see !awards.
[12:36] <Evil_H> hmm. then something isnt set right somewhere
[12:36] <noteventime> !w32codecs
[12:36] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[12:36] <rysiek|pl> _oliver - works for me (Kubuntu 5.10)
[12:36] <noteventime> !ubotu
[12:36] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[12:36] <Evil_H> i got the w32codecs
[12:36] <noteventime> Ops ^^
[12:36] <systempie> Hi there, i've just installed breezy, all works fine, but have some difficulties on installing my network connected HP officejet 7310, searched for help and found that i should use cups with a uri that is produced with hp-makeuri but that does'nt work out, has somebody ideas, thanx
[12:37] <Hobbsee> !botabuse
[12:37] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[12:37] <Hobbsee> noteventime: hmmm?  you want !kops, if you want to call for ops
[12:37] <noteventime> no, it was an wops
[12:37] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:37] <noteventime> like "o no sorry"
[12:38] <Evil_H> !restricted formats
[12:38] <ubotu> I guess restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[12:39] <noteventime> Is anyone more than me running aiglx?
[12:39] <JohnFlux> noteventime: maybe the developer of it is
[12:39] <JohnFlux> noteventime: :-)
[12:39] <noteventime> haha
[12:40] <noteventime> aiglx is a lot more stable than xgl
[12:40] <kingpomba> i heard it works on kubuntu but i can't find the link http://www.xchat.org/download/ .... could i compile the source for it?
[12:40] <Evil_H> !wma
[12:40] <ubotu> I heard restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:42] <_oliver> 1 More question, what should be the default settings for the standard llinux partition under the Disk & filessystem tab (like mountpoint, device, mode etc.)
[12:43] <JohnFlux> !dapper
[12:43] <ubotu> I heard dapper is the pre-release name for next edition of Ubuntu, release name 6.04. Due 20th April. It is Development Software - May Break! > /join #ubuntu+1 for IRC Use  http://tinyurl.com/rtgxo for easy updates
[12:43] <noteventime> _oliver: Do you by srandard mean ext3?
[12:44] <noteventime> _oliver: Ext3 is standard in (K)ubuntu
[12:44] <_oliver> ok
[12:44] <_oliver> ty
[12:47] <jarlath> Is it possible to make a videoCD from an avi file? Also, is there an easy way to do it?
[12:48] <JohnFlux> jarlath: man mencoder
[12:49] <jarlath> thanks JohnFlux
[12:50] <jarlath> Just checked adept for mencoder and also found a frontend called 'acidrip'. Could be good! :)
[12:57] <pulver> how do u save kmix settings so it chooses the right mixer 'main channel' at login?
[01:00] <rysiek|pl> aaaaargh! dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) uses mkinitramfs, not mkinitrd :] 
[01:06] <_jim> have they released an offical release date for Dapper yet?
[01:06] <rysiek|pl> !dapper
[01:06] <ubotu> I heard dapper is the pre-release name for next edition of Ubuntu, release name 6.04. Due 20th April. It is Development Software - May Break! > /join #ubuntu+1 for IRC Use  http://tinyurl.com/rtgxo for easy updates
[01:07] <rysiek|pl> ubotu tell _jim about dapper
[01:10] <Evil_H> how do you get amarok to recognize and play WMA? I got the xine, gstreamer and arts engines and w32codes
[01:10] <noteventime> Is somehone here profitient with festival?
[01:11] <noteventime> Evil_H: I think you are only able to play old versions of WMA :(
[01:11] <Evil_H> its not playing any WMA
[01:11] <Evil_H> and i had it working on my other laptop before it died
[01:12] <noteventime> ok
[01:12] <noteventime> !wma
[01:12] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[01:12] <noteventime> Maybe
[01:12] <pulver> uhm installed some gnome libs by mistake before.. now the adept notifier update thingy wants to remove my kubuntu-desktop !! huh?
[01:12] <Evil_H> been there already
[01:12] <noteventime> ok
[01:12] <Evil_H> i have all the plugins and files i need
[01:12] <Evil_H> just a setting i cant remember
[01:15] <pulver> Changes OK, Commit self destruct? no thanks...
[01:37] <_elena> fg
[01:43] <Evil_H> why cant i add wma tracks to my amarok collection?
[01:46] <luite> does anyone use dapper with a intel e/1000 nic? the latest kernel gives me a very unstable connection
[01:46] <luite> oops
[01:46] <luite> that was meant to go in #ubuntu+1
[01:46] <Stuffor> Hello!
[01:47] <Stuffor> Does anybode know a console-based MP3-Player like mp3blaster, but with ALSA-Support?
[01:51] <callie> anyone here able to help me with a little HTML code ?
[01:52] <callie> bit off topic i know
[01:52] <Hobbsee> callie: possibly, what did you want to know?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> it's been a long time since i've done anythign with html
[01:52] <callie> i just need to know how to make jpeg link to a webpage
[01:53] <callie> so its clickable Hobbsee
[01:53] <callie> i know so little html is appauling
[01:54] <Hobbsee> callie: should be close to: <a href="/path/to/link"><img src="/path/to/image"></a>
[01:55] <callie> i was so close!
[01:55] <callie> thanks Hobbsee !
[01:55] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[02:01] <sirblue> any of you guys happen to know a guide for the ndiswrapper that actually works? chip is broadcom 43xx (gotta love it...)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> !ndiswrapper
[02:03] <ubotu> hmm... ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[02:03] <Hobbsee> that one works pretty well sirblue
[02:12] <zimon> hello guys
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hey zimon
[02:13] <zimon> i've just finnished isstall kubuntu 5.10 ... nice job there
[02:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:14] <zimon> does anybody tried to install enlightement ?
[02:15] <Lure> zimon: someone is looking into this
[02:15] <Lure> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[02:15] <Lure> Kubuntu is KDE
[02:15] <zimon> yes
[02:16] <zimon> but which of them do you think is better ?
[02:16] <Lure> it is personal choice I think
[02:16] <fabim> that unofficial kubuntu FAQ , that's for hoary right?
[02:17] <zimon> I mean ... elightement is it stable ... can you run kde applications in it ?
[02:17] <Lure> fabim: yes, it is a bit outdated, bot lots of thing are still valid
[02:17] <Lure> zimon: I do not see a reason why the could not run
[02:18] <patrix> enlightenmnet is a window manager
[02:18] <patrix> (and a few more things)
[02:18] <patrix> there's no reason for KDE apps to not run with it
[02:18] <zimon> ok
[02:18] <zimon> 10x for answering to my stupid questions ;)
[02:18] <patrix> sometimes some applications behave a bit weirdly when running outside of the KDE environment itself
[02:19] <zimon> then i stick to kde
[02:19] <patrix> because they expect this or that feature from Kwin
[02:19] <patrix> or they expect the systray
[02:19] <patrix> etc
[02:19] <patrix> nothing major
[02:19] <patrix> from my experience anyway :P
[02:19] <zimon> one more question
[02:19] <zimon> actually 2 of them
[02:19] <zimon> ATI and cedega or wine ?
[02:19] <io_error> Hi
[02:19] <sirblue> thanks hobsee & ubotu
[02:20] <patrix> zimon: not sure what's your question, what's the relation between ATI and wine/cedega ?
[02:20] <zimon> if I isntall the oficial ati driver from www.ati.com can I emulate 3d games with cedecga ?
[02:21] <io_error> needs the kubuntu team some help in programming or Database management?
[02:21] <patrix> zimon: I have no idea, the ATI drivers are X Window drivers, and wine displays stuff using X-Window, so it should help, afaik
[02:22] <zimon> well ... i'll find out that for my self then ....
[02:22] <zimon> 10x again for the help
[02:22] <zimon> zbyez zbyez
[02:23] <patrix> cyz
[02:23] <patrix> a
[02:30] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: try #cedega
[02:31] <ubuntu> bonjour ?
[02:32] <hatake_kakashi> !tell ubuntu about fr
[02:33] <zimon> hatake_kakashi: 10x
[02:33] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: I probably eventually will try cedega once I get my other box setup, its also got ATI video card as well
[02:34] <zimon> I've tryed already cedega in Slackware
[02:35] <zimon> but it had all kinds of bugs
[02:35] <zimon> and errors
[02:35] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: iirc cedega was supposed to translate win32 handles, etc to linux
[02:35] <zimon> how can I mount a mds image in linux ?
[02:35] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: I don't think there is a way but I could be mistaken
[02:36] <zimon> ok
[02:36] <patrix> what's mds ?
[02:36] <zimon> hatake_kadashi: can I find on the repositories cedega ?
[02:36] <zimon> or wine ?
[02:36] <zimon> winex ...
[02:37] <zimon> Morrowind mds for example
[02:37] <patrix> cedega/winex is a commercial product
[02:37] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: media descriptor file I think
[02:37] <zimon> Morrowind.mds
[02:37] <zimon> a cd iamge file
[02:37] <hatake_kakashi> zimon: not sure
[02:37] <zimon> cedega ... is free
[02:37] <zimon> I think
[02:38] <patrix> cedega = winex = commercial product
[02:38] <patrix> sure the source code is free, you're free to grab it and compile it and set it all up yourself ;)
[02:38] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: there's various cd images, mdf/nrg/bin are just some of the formats that I don't think there are linux support. Though FUSE may hold a key to it later on probably
[02:39] <weedar> For some reason programs have started crashing, Amarok, Kicker, Firefox...Any suggestions as to what I should do?
[02:39] <patrix> hatake_kakashi: I've seen a nrg->.iso util before
[02:40] <zimon> post somewere your debug log
[02:40] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: yes there are tools to convert to iso, however: a) is it reliable that the data is converted correctly? b) There are certain images that contain specific details about error sectors and all, afaik iso9660 has some limitations here and there. Would the conversion be successful in imitating those?
[02:41] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: try running those programs through konsole
[02:41] <patrix> hatake_kakashi: all 3 times I've used nrg2iso it worked flawlessly. Sector errors etc, so what ;) mostly games do that for copyprotection hm?
[02:42] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: yeah, well, there are many things that I'm still curious if converting to iso would be the right choice.
[02:42] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, good idea
[02:42] <patrix> well for what I used it for it was te right choice
[02:42] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: ahh ok
[02:42] <patrix> files that should have been iso to start with but the person who ripped it used nero and made it nrg because.. well just becayuse lol
[02:44] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: I'm sure there are certain ramifications of iso9660 has limitations. If these other companies come stumbling along the iso9660 standards and creating their own unique format. Then there probably is a) a proper reason apart from the fact that they want to make money out of it. b) iso9660 is probably too common? ;)
[02:45] <patrix> hatake_kakashi: if you say so
[02:45] <patrix> all I'm saying is the files were .nrg but could just as well have been .iso
[02:45] <patrix> haha
[02:45] <patrix> nope didn't crash
[02:46] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: certain programs will not output debug info to konsole, and may not even have ways to enable it without recompiling it. So be warned :)
[02:46] <hatake_kakashi> patrix: heh, well, I'll give conversion to iso9660 a try. However I have lack of hd space to do so and I don't trust CD/DVD :)
[02:46] <patrix> hehe hatake_kakashi .. up to you :)
[02:47] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, I think my system is unstable because of my WLAN-card and graphics adapter..So when I have enough money I'll do a quick-fix and replace them =)
[02:47] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: well, just to make sure, read logs where possible :)
[02:52] <fabim> !mp3
[02:52] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:52] <Glin|Jol> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[03:02] <_eddy> salve
[03:02] <_eddy> ho appena installato kubuntu
[03:03] <_eddy> non riesco a fare alcune cose:
[03:03] <jpat|away> Tm_T: ^
[03:03] <hatake_kakashi> !tell _eddy about it
[03:03] <jpat|away> !it
[03:03] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:03] <_eddy> i've just installed kubuntu
[03:03] <Tm_T> jpat|away: =)
[03:03] <_eddy> i've problems
[03:03] <_eddy> I can't check my gmail account
[03:04] <_eddy> my yahoo account
[03:08] <chx> hi. KDirWatch::removeDir can't handle '/etc/security/fileshare.conf' . what's this?
[03:11] <ryanakca> how d'you play .wmv in linux? I used to be able to, but since dapper upgrade, I can't, and I dont remember how I set it up...
[03:18] <pulver> ryanakca: w32codecs?
[03:19] <ryanakca> kk
[03:22] <pulver> why does that mean adept-update want to wipe kubuntu-desktop and office from my disk? it says 'remove'...
[03:24] <Borelia> it whats to kill kde  ?
[03:24] <DexterF> heya
[03:25] <ryanakca> hullo DexterF
[03:25] <ryanakca> pulver: what d'you mean?
[03:25] <DexterF> I just updated Dapper, saw Xgl is available. Now - how do I enable it?
[03:25] <fabim> my amarok is closing when i try to play any file
[03:25] <pulver> lol dunno if removing kubuntu-desktop just removes the meta package but office? what did i do to deserve that...
[03:26] <ryanakca> DexterF: go to #ubuntu-xgl
[03:26] <ryanakca> pulver: what are you trying to do?
[03:26] <ryanakca> pulver: are you updating to dapper?
[03:26] <DexterF> thanks. another thing: I noticed there's no fglrxconfig in the fglrx package.
[03:27] <DexterF> I took an xorg.conf from another machine, but seems not right.
[03:27] <pulver> ryanakca: the adept update list says to remove kubuntu-desktop and office, im running dapper but the adept notify popped up...
[03:27] <DexterF> plus, I'm still on Mesa rendering, so what's it about the fglrx pack anyway?
[03:28] <ryanakca> pulver: odd....
[03:29] <ryanakca> pulver: just a sec... I'll see if it wants to remove my kubuntu-desktop too
[03:29] <pulver> ryanakca: rgr
[03:29] <ryanakca> pulver: Nope....
[03:29] <ryanakca> pulver: rgr?
[03:30] <pulver> ok
[03:31] <me2win> hey whats the file to edit runlevels?
[03:31] <ryanakca> pulver: when was the last time you tried updating?
[03:31] <me2win> or how do you set it to run at runlevel 3,
[03:32] <ryanakca> me2win: not sure.... try "man init"..... I think its telinit, but not sure...
[03:32] <pulver> ryanakca: updated few days back.. is there a way to see apt history? think this started after installed some packages..
[03:33] <ryanakca> I dunno.... I updated last night... it had to upgrade about 40 packages like debutils and things like that... but kubuntu-desktop wasnt in that list...
[03:35] <DexterF> me2win: /etc/inittab should be the place
[03:35] <joris> hello peoples, i have a problem with the compose key in kubuntu. I can only write  but nothing else, except in firefox
[03:37] <joris> anyone a clue about what to do to fix it?
[03:37] <me2win> thank DexterF and ryanakca for the init tip
[03:37] <me2win> joris, not sure, i had that problem a while back but dont know what i did to fix it
[03:38] <ryanakca> me2win: your welcome... it work?
[03:40] <me2win> ryanakca, lets hope so, it was for my friend, not for me. I remember one time editing it, but i forgot how to, it fixed my problem when i did it, so im sure it will fix his too
[03:40] <me2win> he can't boot to GUI, just to command
[03:40] <me2win> and when that happened to me, i rememeber running sudo init 3
[03:40] <me2win> but i guess i really ran sudo telinit 3
[03:40] <me2win> now that i look at it, that is
[03:44] <joris> my god, this compose key GUI is really crap...
[03:44] <joris> now I turned it off but the right alt +ae still gives 
[03:58] <ryanakca> me2win: he have kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop installed?
[03:59] <me2win> he has ubuntu wharty
[04:00] <jpat|away> woah
[04:00] <ryanakca> hmmm
[04:02] <me2win> ryanakca, hes on dialup
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> Hey guys
[04:02] <me2win> i sent him a CD through the mail
[04:02] <me2win> a few months back
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> I gotta question concerneing kubuntu, you think you guys can help me?
[04:02] <me2win> DatsunZoso, nah...
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> :(
[04:02] <me2win> :P
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> lol
[04:02] <me2win> jk, we're always here to help
[04:02] <DatsunZoso> well thanks
[04:02] <ryanakca> me2win: lol... I see... I was wondering why he hadn't updated to breezy
[04:03] <me2win> ryanakca, haha, yeah, im gonna get him to get a dapper cd shipped to him when it gets released
[04:03] <ryanakca> DatsunZoso: First of all, please help us help you by telling us your question
[04:03] <DatsunZoso> i wanna switch from windows xp to kubuntu. on xp I have 2 partitions that I use, one for actually running of windows, and the other one to store information and data like music and app's. i want to retain the partition with the data and music, is there any way that I can do that while installing kubuntu?
[04:04] <ryanakca> me2win: good.... wharty... I started on that... then I ditched ubuntu for fedora core, then mandrake, and now kubuntu
[04:05] <me2win> DatsunZoso, of course, but the thing is, since you already have 2 partitions, you are gonna have to do 1 of 2 things. a) know exactly how much space you need for that storage partition because you will be installed kubuntu at the end of the drive. b) find some way to store that information elsewhere till you can delete that second partition, install kubuntu, and create another partition
[04:06] <me2win> ryanakca, heh, i started with ubuntu warty, then decided i hate gnome, so i switched to kubuntu, and been there every since. I used slackware before ubuntu
[04:06] <me2win> and gentoo
[04:06] <DatsunZoso> ok. so basicllay i have to backupo all the information on the data and music partition into my mp3 player (30 gigs, I only have 20 gigs of stuff in the partition!)
[04:07] <me2win> heh
[04:07] <DatsunZoso> so when i install kubuntu, i would delete both windowns partitions?
[04:07] <me2win> DatsunZoso, tell me how big the HD is, and how big each partition is, and we'll talk it out
[04:07] <DatsunZoso> the hd is 80 gigs, data & music is 20 gigs, and the work hd is 60
[04:08] <ryanakca> I started on Debian, then FC1, then Debian, then what was mandrake, then wharty... I've one lots of voyaging threw distros... I even think openBSD and freebsd popped up along the way
[04:09] <me2win> DatsunZoso, ah ok. Well, you dont have to delete the first windows partition (NTFS filetype), it can stay. You don't even have to delete the second partition if you KNOW that you only need 30 gigs for data and music. But if you think you would possibly need to expand it in the future, then yeah, you will have to delete it
[04:09] <me2win> here is how your partition table looks
[04:09] <me2win> 80 Gig HD:    |Windows (60 Gigs, NTFS)|Music & Data (20 Gigs, NTFS)|
[04:10] <me2win> now, if you installed kubuntu
[04:10] <DatsunZoso> o rly? ya i just want to get rid off the windows partition and let the music and data partition stay.
[04:10] <me2win> do you want to get rid of windows permanently?
[04:10] <DatsunZoso> yes sir
[04:10] <me2win> hmmk
[04:10] <me2win> well then that makes it a little easier
[04:10] <DatsunZoso> i gotta windows xp lying around somewere
[04:11] <DatsunZoso> so if anything goes bad (which prob wont) i can just reinstall it
[04:11] <me2win> back up your music and data on your mp3 player, then wipe both partitions, pop in the install cd and your good to go if you know how to install it
[04:12] <me2win> now, that raises more questions because pf a few things. You will have to consider the filetype you are gonna use to keep storing things (data and music)
[04:12] <DatsunZoso> oh, lets say i want to keep the music and data cd, can i still keep it and acess it from kubuntu
[04:12] <me2win> well, you can't necesarily keep it, because its further ahead in the partition table that linux. And you want linux at the front of the partition table (with windows if you want to dual boot)
[04:13] <DatsunZoso> ok
[04:13] <me2win> do you know about filetypes?
[04:13] <me2win> like
[04:13] <me2win> ntfs
[04:13] <me2win> fat32
[04:13] <DatsunZoso> ya its ntfs
[04:13] <DatsunZoso> whole hd
[04:13] <me2win> yeah
[04:13] <DatsunZoso> both partitiosns
[04:13] <me2win> i mean
[04:13] <me2win> linux can read ntfs fine
[04:14] <me2win> but it cant write to it, its dangerous to write to ntfs from linux
[04:14] <me2win> BUT
[04:14] <me2win> there are easy to implement "extensions" for linux
[04:14] <me2win> that make it easy to read/write/edit ntfs partitions from linux easily and safely
[04:14] <me2win> write this down: its called ntfsprogs
[04:14] <DatsunZoso> k
[04:14] <me2win> there is a wikipedia for it
[04:15] <me2win> now, thats your only tool for being able to write to ntfs without being in danger of ruining your HD
[04:15] <me2win> or ruining the data at least
[04:15] <DatsunZoso> oh ok
[04:16] <me2win> your only other options are either to create a fat32 (which both linux and windows can read/write to, but you are limited to like 5 gigs i think thats the max partition size for fat32) or just create a partition for data/music that is ext3 (the linux filetype)
[04:16] <DatsunZoso> i think what im gonna do is get windows complete off the pc, save music and data onto the mp3 hd, install kubuntu and just save the music and data onto kubuntu
[04:16] <DatsunZoso> can i do that? lol
[04:17] <me2win> DatsunZoso, yeah, if youd like, but the same reason why you HAVE that music/data partition now applies for linux too, if you ruin linux, you wont have to worry about bacing up your data, its already backed up
[04:17] <me2win> DatsunZoso, if you mean save music and data onto the linux filetype ext3, then yeah, that sounds great to me
[04:19] <DatsunZoso> how would i save into ext3?
[04:19] <me2win> just like ntfs
[04:19] <me2win> ext3 is like ntfs as far as saving goes
[04:19] <me2win> theres no special way
[04:20] <me2win> the only thing you would have to do
[04:20] <me2win> is make the ext3 partition
[04:20] <me2win> have you ever edited a partition table manually?
[04:20] <DatsunZoso> no
[04:20] <me2win> hehe, then you will have after you install linux :P
[04:20] <DatsunZoso> well at least i dont think i have?
[04:20] <DatsunZoso> oh lol ok
[04:21] <me2win> i would suggest reading a how to guide on editing partitions manually
[04:21] <me2win> !partition
[04:21] <ubotu> me2win: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:21] <me2win> !partitions
[04:21] <ubotu> Go to System -> Administration -> Disks and enter your password. Pick the disk your partition is on from the list, then click the 'Partitions' tab. Select the partition you want to mount, set an access path (mount point) and click 'Enable'.
[04:21] <DatsunZoso> this is my first dive into linux, so im kinda noobish in the field
[04:21] <stian> How do I install the latest version of sun java on my kubuntu box?
[04:21] <me2win> DatsunZoso, yeah, it is for alot people, but they all get through it
[04:21] <me2win> DatsunZoso, kubuntu makes it easy
[04:21] <me2win> stian, sudo apt-get install java
[04:21] <stian> that won't do it..
[04:22] <me2win> err, its java-common
[04:22] <me2win> my bad
[04:22] <me2win> make sure to apt-get update first
[04:23] <stian> doing it now
[04:23] <DatsunZoso> so ok lets recap, i dont have to delete the m&d partition, just the big windows partition right? than when i install kubuntu, i can just change the ntfs partition into ext3?
[04:24] <me2win> DatsunZoso, nah, you will have to delete it because you cant *change* a partition type, you have to wipe it, make it that type, then put your data on it
[04:24] <stian> it says i have the latest version, but when i try to run limewire, i get this: hang on
[04:24] <stian> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[04:24] <DatsunZoso> ohhh kk
[04:25] <DatsunZoso> luckily i have almost all the music on my mp3 player
[04:25] <me2win> stian, you might need to apt-get build-essential
[04:25] <me2win> DatsunZoso, heh yeah, that IS a good thing
[04:25] <DatsunZoso> im gonna save the rest of the stuff i need onto it now
[04:26] <stian> i have the latest essentials
[04:26] <me2win> DatsunZoso, you would have to delete that music and data partition anyway, because when you boot your computer up, the boot record has to be at the front of the partition table, so your hard drives needs to look like this:     |Operating System|<usic and Data| not |Music and Data|Operating System| it does matter
[04:26] <me2win> stian, hmm, thats wierd
[04:26] <DatsunZoso> oh ok i got it
[04:27] <DatsunZoso> the main thing that concerned me was my music, i dont want to download all the music i had lost
[04:27] <me2win> heh yeah, i know what you mean
[04:27] <DatsunZoso> but i just remebered i have it already on my mp3 player lol
[04:28] <me2win> i have 5 hard drives
[04:28] <me2win> my data is important to me :D
[04:28] <DatsunZoso> 5! i have 1 sata hd :(
[04:28] <me2win> heh
[04:28] <me2win> I have 4 SATA and 1 IDE
[04:28] <DatsunZoso> well im not exactly i power user
[04:28] <me2win> heh
[04:28] <DatsunZoso> i just heard that linux is real stable
[04:28] <DatsunZoso> compared to how windows is !
[04:28] <me2win> hehe
[04:29] <me2win> yeah, but it has a learning curve
[04:29] <me2win> hopefully when you come in here though
[04:29] <me2win> people will be willing to help
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> Learning is fun
[04:29] <me2win> they usually are
[04:29] <DatsunZoso> ya lol i noticed!
[04:29] <me2win>  but sometimes the people that are on aren't really the people that know
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> I got about 7 HD's total. on 2 box's
[04:29] <DatsunZoso> on windows i have this app called aston shell which basically stops explorer.exe from working when ur on the desktop, it only starts to work when you go into folders, and windows has been so stable
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> thats sort of a 'scary' idea. :P
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> lol
[04:30] <me2win> Dr_Willis, counting the 3 comps in my house, i have 12 hard drives
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> I need to get a nother file server going..
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> running out of space. :P
[04:30] <DatsunZoso> usually i would have to reinstall windows every 6 months, but with astonshell it helped me not even think of that for a year!
[04:30] <me2win> Dr_Willis, hehe, you can never have enough space
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> Stacks of floppies, to stacks of CD's to stacks of external HD's ,, now going the Stack of FileServers....
[04:31] <me2win> DatsunZoso, never even heard of that heh
[04:31] <DatsunZoso> ya its a wierd little app
[04:31] <DatsunZoso> but it works so i dont question it lol
[04:31] <me2win> haha
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> I can store my whole amiga  floppy drive  collection - to one USB thumb drive now.  :)
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> a closet of C64 disks = 1 cd.
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> then i got a single mame rom/game that takes up 1 gb. Lol!
[04:32] <me2win> LOL
[04:34] <DatsunZoso> oh i have one more question
[04:34] <me2win> sure
[04:35] <DatsunZoso> i have a encylcopedia type cd that works on windows, is there a way that i cna get it to run on linux?
[04:35] <DatsunZoso> can i install some type of app /
[04:35] <DatsunZoso> ?
[04:35] <fabim> in adept how can i see in wich repositories is a package?
[04:35] <me2win> there is WINE, its a windows emulator, but it doesnt work for everything, thats about your best shot. other than that, just farming the data right off the CD, but that would be tedious
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> Cedega may be better then wine in some cases
[04:36] <DatsunZoso> cedega is only for games though
[04:36] <DatsunZoso> or specifically for games
[04:36] <me2win> DatsunZoso, yeah, I was/am under that impression as well, but ive never used cedega tbh
[04:36] <Dr_Willis> I use it for tools all the time. :P
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> it runs winrar  heh
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> and a few other tools i like.
[04:37] <me2win> lolz
[04:37] <me2win> why winrar?
[04:37] <me2win> why not use unrar
[04:37] <me2win> linux native
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> i like the features winrar has.
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:38] <me2win> heh
[04:38] <DatsunZoso> lol
[04:38] <DatsunZoso> irony
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> i use it to make zips mainly..
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> real irony!
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> :P
[04:38] <me2win> i wont tell you anything, i have things like that i guess
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> I still cant track down a CD-Lable making program under Linux I like.
[04:39] <me2win> Dr_Willis, lol
[04:39] <DatsunZoso> i have one last question
[04:40] <DatsunZoso> how would i connect to the internet with kubuntu? i have a dsl connection and im wondering how to connect with linux! n00bish but im a noob :P
[04:40] <me2win> DatsunZoso, it should work out of the box
[04:40] <DatsunZoso> !
[04:40] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DatsunZoso
[04:40] <me2win> lol
[04:40] <me2win> thats ubotu
[04:40] <me2win> he responds to ! commands
[04:40] <me2win> watch
[04:40] <me2win> !repos
[04:40] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:40] <me2win> and when you say his name
[04:41] <me2win> ubotu you suck
[04:41] <ubotu> Like a black hole!
[04:41] <DatsunZoso> it should work outta the box? like on windows i dont have anything installed from it, i just have a connection were i put my username and pw is it the same with linux or is it more work?
[04:41] <me2win> DatsunZoso, but yeah, it should work fine after install
[04:41] <DatsunZoso> so when i install linux, i can already connect to the internet.....? lol im confused!
[04:42] <me2win> DatsunZoso, well
[04:42] <me2win> i have my DSL connected through the router
[04:42] <me2win> do you have a router?
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> if its a dsl->router->linuxbox. it should work.
[04:42] <me2win> ive set my router to login with my username/pw, i forgot completely about the box thingy
[04:43] <DatsunZoso> no i dont have a router i just have the pc-modem-connection
[04:43] <me2win> Dr_Willis, does he have to login manually, or will it work?
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...
[04:43] <DatsunZoso> well id hope i had to login manually
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> my router and cable modem just 'work'
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> lol
[04:43] <me2win> Dr_Willis, lols
[04:43] <me2win> !dsl
[04:43] <ubotu> I guess pppoe is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[04:44] <beast> it should find DHCP just fine
[04:45] <me2win> DatsunZoso, im thinking it should work out of the box
[04:46] <DatsunZoso> well when u say outta the box i would still have to put my pw and username in right?
[04:47] <me2win> yes
[04:47] <me2win> read this
[04:47] <me2win> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[04:48] <me2win> you may not know what i means now, but once you get into linux
[04:48] <me2win> you will need that to connect to internet probably
[04:48] <me2win> pppoe
[04:48] <me2win> i suggest printing out that page
[04:48] <DatsunZoso> ok... sudo pppoeconf
[04:48] <me2win> if you can
[04:48] <DatsunZoso> ya i printed it out already
[04:48] <DatsunZoso> i have a bunch of pages printed in case i run into problems
[04:49] <me2win> good good
[04:49] <me2win> let me go through some stuff real quick
[04:49] <DatsunZoso> i just want to connect to the internet and listen to music and thats pretty much it
[04:49] <DatsunZoso> ok
[04:49] <me2win> so you know what you are running into
[04:49] <DatsunZoso> ya have a basic idea, but very limited
[04:49] <DatsunZoso> still dont understand alot of the commands and stuff but im gettin there
[04:50] <me2win> root is the superuser of your computer, he can do everything. But the idea behind ubuntu/kubuntu is that you arent logged in as root (its dangerous). so instead it uses a frontend called SUDO (or "superuser do")
[04:50] <me2win> it allows you to do things AS root, that you can't do as a normal user
[04:50] <me2win> sudo pppoeconf
[04:51] <me2win> will ask the computer via commandline, to edit pppoeconf
[04:51] <me2win> you cant do that just as
[04:51] <me2win> Datsun the user
[04:51] <me2win> have to be root,
[04:51] <DatsunZoso> i c
[04:51] <Al-Daja> http://pastebin.com/583593 anyone can tell me what is wrong or what is missing?
[04:51] <me2win> that goes for lots of things
[04:52] <me2win> do you have build-essentials Al-Daja
[04:52] <me2win> DatsunZoso, you will also hear people talk about packages and adept
[04:52] <me2win> packages are like install files
[04:53] <me2win> and you can use adept as a tool to easily get them (to avoid having to do it command line style)
[04:53] <DatsunZoso> k
[04:53] <Al-Daja> me2win: translate build essentials
[04:53] <me2win> !build-essentials
[04:53] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, me2win
[04:53] <me2win> !build-essential
[04:53] <ubotu> I guess build-essential is a meta package for software building see !gcc for more info
[04:54] <me2win> Al-Daja, run sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:54] <Al-Daja> me2win: thx
[05:00] <DatsunZoso> well if anything, this is gonna be interesting
[05:01] <me2win> DatsunZoso, its fun :D
[05:01] <DatsunZoso> ya lol
[05:01] <me2win> you'll be a linux user in no time
[05:01] <DatsunZoso> how long does kubuntu take to install anyways?
[05:01] <me2win> about 10 minutes
[05:01] <me2win> 15 minutes maybe
[05:01] <DatsunZoso> D:
[05:01] <DatsunZoso> wow lol!
[05:01] <DatsunZoso> compared to 1-1 1/2 hr for windows lol
[05:01] <Psi-Jack> Took me about 20-25 actually.
[05:02] <DatsunZoso> well still better than an hour
[05:02] <jjesse> quick question i've commented out from my sources.list the cdrom that i used to install kubuntu because i can't find it any more, why does it still prompt for that cdrom and how to do i get around it?
[05:02] <me2win> sources.list? or fstab?
[05:02] <me2win> DatsunZoso, yeah it is better than an hour, I guess it depends on your computer speed
[05:03] <jjesse> i'm try to install cdrdao to burn cds
[05:03] <jjesse> sudo apt-get install cdrdao and it prompts for my cddrom
[05:03] <jjesse> however i no lng er have that cdrom, so i've commented it out of my sources.list
[05:03] <me2win> why not just use k3b?
[05:03] <jjesse> when i go to burn a cd it says i need cdrdao
[05:04] <jjesse> using dapper
[05:04] <me2win> hmm
[05:04] <azurehuesofblue> how do I switch from gnome to kde?
[05:04] <me2win> azurehuesofblue, QUICKLY!
[05:04] <me2win> lol
[05:04] <azurehuesofblue> lol
[05:05] <azurehuesofblue> so like, I install the kde package THEN uninstall Gnome, right?
[05:05] <azurehuesofblue> or...
[05:05] <DatsunZoso> ok im gonna dive into this right after the song im playing is over!!!
[05:05] <me2win> azurehuesofblue, to be completely honest, ive NEVER had to do it, so im not sure
[05:05] <me2win> azurehuesofblue, ask in #ubuntu
[05:05] <me2win> DatsunZoso, w00t, excited?
[05:05] <DatsunZoso> hell yea lol
[05:05] <me2win> lolz
[05:06] <DatsunZoso> im kinda anxious
[05:06] <azurehuesofblue> lol, I told you about that didn't I m2win, I can't keep up!
[05:06] <me2win> DatsunZoso, do you have a LIVE cd?
[05:06] <DatsunZoso> wonderin how its gonna turn out
[05:06] <me2win> azurehuesofblue, oh yeah lolz
[05:06] <DatsunZoso> no i have the actual install cd
[05:06] <DatsunZoso> in retrospect i shouldve tried the live cd first, but im a risk taker lol
[05:06] <Al-Daja> me2win: can you help with is? http://pastebin.com/583618
[05:06] <azurehuesofblue> see, this chatroom has a nice pace... so, I kinda want to switch to KDE, so I can ask questions in here! and... just to try KDE.
[05:07] <me2win> DatsunZoso, lolz, well, i suggest live CD because if you run into a problem installing, you can boot up the live cd and ask for help, know what i mean?
[05:07] <me2win> azurehuesofblue, lol
[05:07] <azurehuesofblue> well, I mean, can I DL a Dvd iso of Kubuntu? or anything?
[05:07] <me2win> Al-Daja, says you dont have permission, use sudo
[05:08] <DatsunZoso> ya i know what ya mean
[05:08] <me2win> azurehuesofblue, you can, yes
[05:08] <azurehuesofblue> ok, I'll do some searching for it., see if I can find amd64
[05:08] <ronaldson40> hi
[05:08] <DatsunZoso> last question, does linux support mp3's? is there any prog that does or would i have to convert them into ogg vorbis?
[05:08] <azurehuesofblue> linux supports mp3s
[05:08] <Al-Daja> me2win: use sudo to make install that's possible? or change to root?
[05:08] <me2win> DatsunZoso, supports them fine
[05:09] <ronaldson40> Is there a more powerful program for torrent downloading than Azureus and Ktorrent
[05:09] <DatsunZoso> oh thank god lol
[05:09] <me2win> Al-Daja, you HAVE to use sudo for make install
[05:09] <me2win> sudo make install
[05:09] <DatsunZoso> ammarok is it?
[05:09] <me2win> DatsunZoso, yep
[05:09] <me2win> also xmms
[05:09] <DatsunZoso> ok
[05:09] <me2win> but
[05:09] <me2win> amarok is better
[05:09] <me2win> :D
[05:09] <Al-Daja> me2win: that i didn't know thx
[05:09] <me2win> Al-Daja, np
[05:10] <me2win> Al-Daja, if you want to build a package from it
[05:10] <me2win> so you can easily uninstall
[05:10] <jjesse> grumble can't figure out whats going on :(
[05:10] <me2win> you checkinstall
[05:10] <me2win> !checkinstall
[05:10] <ubotu> I heard checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[05:10] <me2win> jjesse, sorry one sec lemme chek
[05:10] <me2win> jjesse, where is your sources.list located? the only sources.list im aware of is the repositories one
[05:10] <DatsunZoso> k gonna go do it lol
[05:11] <me2win> DatsunZoso,
[05:11] <me2win> lol
[05:11] <me2win> good luck man
[05:11] <me2win> i hope to see you back in here in 10-30 mins
[05:11] <DatsunZoso> ill cya in like ... 1 hr or less if everythin goes well lol
[05:11] <me2win> dats lol
[05:11] <jjesse> that's what i'm talking about /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:11] <DatsunZoso> cya thanks for the help
[05:11] <me2win> DatsunZoso, no problem, good luck!
[05:12] <me2win> and whats the line you are commenting out?
[05:12] <Thedek> jjesse:  Post your /etc/apt/sources.list to kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:14] <azurehuesofblue> this is prolly dumb but... I'm downloading kubuntu-5.10-install-amd64.iso     ....    so, I after the install it will automatically start the kde gui?
[05:14] <jjesse> Thedek: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/583628
[05:14] <me2win> azurehuesofblue, yes
[05:14] <jjesse> azurehuesofblue: yes
[05:14] <azurehuesofblue> right on.
[05:14] <azurehuesofblue> thx
[05:15] <me2win> so you did comment out that second one?
[05:15] <Thedek> jjesse:  Comment out line 5
[05:15] <me2win> jjesse,
[05:15] <Thedek> Then do: apt-get update and then go ahead and try to install your software.
[05:15] <jjesse> Thedek: thanks stupid mistake of mine
[05:16] <Thedek> jjesse:  no problem. =)
[05:16] <jjesse> that's what i get for not finishing my coffee first :)
[05:16] <me2win> jjesse, thats what you get for drinking coffee eewwww
[05:16] <Thedek> lol
[05:17] <Thedek> sometimes you just need a second pair of eyes. =)
[05:18] <me2win> and chocolate milk apparently :P
[05:21] <_juha> fatal IO 104 (connection reset by peer) on x server after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining WTF??
[05:23] <_juha> Fatal server error : Could not open default font "fixed"
[05:31] <Al-Daja> me2win: now this http://pastebin.com/583663 , why so much problems?
[05:32] <_root> i need serious help!
[05:32] <_root> i just removed basically half of the kbuuntu packages with the wrong command
[05:32] <DHGE> hello! anyone has a deb-source for kdevelop3 3.3.1 for amd64? compiling it from kde-sources get too many dependencies here ...
[05:33] <_root> now even if i try apt-get or a package manager it says something about a lock
[05:33] <azurehuesofblue> I'm a noob... so there's that... but... kubuntu IS still Ubuntu and Breezy Badger release and all that is exactly the same, just with a different gui.
[05:34] <azurehuesofblue> ?
[05:47] <Guardian> hello
[05:47] <nuky> hey, does anyone know if there is a deb source available for kdesvn? if not, is it safe to convert rpm sources to deb ones using alien?
[05:50] <me2win> nuky, not sure, and yes, its safe to do that
[05:53] <DHGE> nuky:http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_debian_deb_checkinstall
[05:57] <rysiek|pl> noteventime, r u here? :)
[05:58] <rysiek|pl> nope, he's not, apparently
[05:59] <me2win> lol
[06:16] <aolbrich> hallo all
[06:21] <me2win> hmm
[06:22] <azurehuesofblue> I installed it :)
[06:22] <azurehuesofblue> oh you left heh.
[06:32] <azurehuesofblue> gosh, I'm dumb... how do you pull up the terminal window in kde?
[06:32] <jpat|away> Alt+F2 : konsole
[06:33] <azurehuesofblue> you're cool; thanks!
[06:33] <jpat|away> true
[06:34] <stuffor> Hi! Ich bisn wieder, hatte ein paar Porbleme mit IRC. Nochmal meine Frage: Wie update ich die KDE am einfachsten auf Version 4.5.1
[06:34] <azurehuesofblue> and like, on gnome, it has that... add programs bar... how do you do that on kde?
[06:34] <rysiek|pl> !german
[06:34] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, rysiek|pl
[06:34] <stuffor> sry
[06:34] <jpat|away> !de
[06:34] <rysiek|pl> stuffor: #kubuntu-de
[06:34] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:35] <jpat|away> azurehuesofblue: K-Menu -> System -> Konsole
[06:35] <stuffor> rysiek|pl: My mistake, I know kubunbtu-de
[06:35] <rysiek|pl> no prob :)
[06:35] <azurehuesofblue> ok, do you have to add programs with the command prompt?
[06:35] <rysiek|pl> it was for you to be able to get some help, not for us not to read in German.
[06:37] <emc2[] > hi guys...
[06:37] <emc2[] > which line should i add to /etc/apt/sources.list to make kubuntu install firefox 1.5 instead of 1.0.7?
[06:38] <emc2[] > (basically, which line define the inclusion of a sid mirror?)
[06:38] <rysiek|pl> emc2[] : no Firefox in Ubuntu repos
[06:38] <emc2[] > rysiek|pl: why?
[06:39] <rysiek|pl> because nobody added it, obviously :)
[06:39] <rysiek|pl> but:
[06:39] <rysiek|pl> !firefox
[06:39] <rysiek|pl> ubotu tell emc2[]  about firefox
[06:39] <jpat|away> becuase Breezy's been released already
[06:39] <jpat|away> !firefox1.5
[06:39] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:39] <emc2[] > thank you so much :)
[06:39] <nismo> this is datsunzoso
[06:39] <nismo> zomg
[06:39] <nismo> lol it works w00t
[06:42] <Datsunzoso> horray!
[06:44] <Datsunzoso> linux works for me yay!
[06:47] <rysiek|pl> it's quiet in here... too quiet...
[06:48] <Datsunzoso> well im wonderin were the guy that helped me went to!
[06:50] <ttread> I guess everybody's kubuntu must be running perfectly w/no probs
[06:50] <Datsunzoso> im noit
[06:50] <Datsunzoso> lol im a first time user and i got problems
[06:50] <rysiek|pl> that's normal :)
[06:50] <Datsunzoso> but their just noob related maybe you can help
[06:50] <rysiek|pl> just write them down here and we'll get through them
[06:50] <Datsunzoso> i got firefox but how do i install it on linux
[06:51] <rysiek|pl> ubotu tell Datsunzoso about firefox1.5
[06:51] <Datsunzoso> thnx!
[06:52] <rysiek|pl> no prob. should you run into trouble, just drop a line :)
[06:53] <azurehuesofblue> Im a Kde noob, does all "adding of programs" have to be done in the terminal?
[06:53] <rysiek|pl> ??
[06:53] <rysiek|pl> what do you mean by "adding programs"
[06:53] <ttread> azurehuesofblue, use adept
[06:53] <rysiek|pl> installing them, or adding them to the KMenu?
[06:54] <azurehuesofblue> I mean, I'm used to gnome and on gnome... it has a pretty graphicall interface to add packages and programs.
[06:54] <rysiek|pl> as ttread said: use Adept
[06:54] <rysiek|pl> !adept
[06:54] <ubotu> [adept]  a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:54] <azurehuesofblue> thanks!
[06:54] <rysiek|pl> no prob :)
[06:55] <rysiek|pl> pfffff... KDE would not have it's own APT GUI! pshaw! ;)
[06:55] <azurehuesofblue> lol, what's the difference between the two guis?
[06:56] <ttread> not really any difference in function, but they're built with different toolkits
[06:56] <azurehuesofblue> which one is easier for a noob, and which one is more desirable for a geek?
[06:57] <azurehuesofblue> IYO
[06:58] <ttread> really they're quite similar
[06:59] <azurehuesofblue> oh ok, I can accept that. :)... trying to find my perfect learning curve.
[07:01] <DarkAdmiral> how do i turn "syntax on" in vim for ever?
[07:04] <rysiek|pl> man vim (in console)
[07:04] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell DarkAdmiral about vim
[07:04] <rysiek|pl> it's somewhere in vim conf files :)
[07:04] <DarkAdmiral> k problem solved
[07:04] <robotgeek> DarkAdmiral: take a look at that howto :)
[07:04] <DarkAdmiral> "/etc/vim/vimrc"
[07:05] <robotgeek> DarkAdmiral: ~/.vimrc
[07:05] <DarkAdmiral> dont have that file
[07:05] <rysiek|pl> create it, then :)
[07:05] <robotgeek> DarkAdmiral: echo "synatx on" > ~/.vimrc
[07:05] <gleesond> has anyone in her installed museek, I'm trying to build it but I can't get the .deb to see the pkges it needs
[07:05] <robotgeek> DarkAdmiral: echo "syntax on" > ~/.vimrc
[07:06] <DarkAdmiral> but "etc/vim/vimrc" does work too
[07:06] <NRG88> hi, how can i change the permissions for an ntfs permission? owner, group, etc?
[07:06] <NRG88> in terminal
[07:06] <jpat|away> DarkAdmiral: that's global
[07:06] <rysiek|pl> DarkAdmiral: yes. /etc/vim/vimrc will set it for all users
[07:06] <rysiek|pl> ~/.vimrc only for you
[07:07] <DarkAdmiral> k i see
[07:07] <robotgeek> DarkAdmiral: sure, but you have to have persmissions to edit the systemwide setting, etc
[07:07] <robotgeek> it;s usually better to edit _your_ vimrc
[07:07] <DarkAdmiral> yes okay thank you
[07:07] <NRG88> it says: chown: changing ownership of `hda5': Operation not permitted
[07:07] <NRG88> but i used su
[07:07] <mijndert> NRG88, put nls=utf08,umask=0222 in FSTAB and you can read from the mounted NTFS partition
[07:10] <NRG88> mijndert, but i get this, when i try to change the file owner on a FAT32: chown: changing ownership of `hda5': Operation not permitted
[07:10] <NRG88>  but i used su
[07:10] <NRG88> in /media
[07:11] <mijndert> In Ubuntu, on the standard settings that is, you cant use SU.. its sudo
[07:12] <NRG88> i tried to change te owner back to root:
[07:12] <NRG88> root@NRGnet:/media# sudo chown root hda5
[07:12] <NRG88> chown: changing ownership of `hda5': Operation not permitted
[07:12] <NRG88> hm
[07:12] <NRG88> i forgot to logout :D
[07:13] <NRG88> still:
[07:13] <NRG88> nrg88@NRGnet:/media$ sudo chown root hda5
[07:13] <NRG88> chown: changing ownership of `hda5': Operation not permitted
[07:13] <NRG88> it's an FAT32 partition
[07:15] <andrei> ah... i'm having some difficulties setting my display resolution.... anyone willing to help ?
[07:16] <Evil_H> is there a linux version of Konfabulator?
[07:17] <NRG88> anyone? why can't i change owner-s in ubuntu?
[07:17] <NRG88> not in terminal, nor in nautilus
[07:17] <NRG88> and i used sudo
[07:19] <DarkAdmiral> NRG88 : you've to modifie your fstab
[07:20] <ttread> andrei, you may need to edit your etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:20] <NRG88> i modified it
[07:20] <DarkAdmiral> NRG88: it could look like this "/dev/hdb5       /media/hdb5     vfat    rw,user,auto,uid=1000   0       0"
[07:20] <DarkAdmiral> uid is the user id
[07:21] <NRG88> hm
[07:21] <NRG88> actualli it looked like this:
[07:21] <NRG88> dev/hda5 /media/hda5 vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=100,auto,rw,nouser 0 0
[07:22] <NRG88> is it ok?
[07:22] <stuq__> ?
[07:22] <DarkAdmiral> mh why "nouser"?
[07:22] <NRG88> or i only need rw,user,auto and uid=1000?
[07:23] <NRG88> don't know, it's default
[07:23] <DarkAdmiral> "defaults" is not necessary either i think
[07:24] <DarkAdmiral> "rw,user,auto,uid=1000" should work
[07:24] <NRG88> ok, modified it
[07:24] <NRG88> now?
[07:24] <DarkAdmiral> mh reboot^^
[07:24] <NRG88> oh :(
[07:24] <NRG88> is it necesary?
[07:24] <DarkAdmiral> dunno
[07:25] <NRG88> i use ubuntu now, and this worked in kubuntu
[07:25] <DarkAdmiral> maybe "umount /media/hda5 -l"
[07:31] <andrei> i now have my 17'' monitor set up at 2048x1536 .... when switch to 1280x1024 everything is huge...
[07:31] <andrei> i't like i have to modify the dpi or something like that ...
[07:33] <andrei> i mean.... size 12 text is way bigger that it should be...
[07:34] <andrei> please help...
[07:36] <Juancito> hola
[07:48] <Captainbraille> Hi, I'm trying to install wine0.9.9. with adept, my computer restarted and now when I try to "commit changes" it won't install because of a downloading error, how do I clean/clear it out so I can redownload it?
[07:49] <vikke> you want to remove wine that is?
[07:50] <Captainbraille> I don't have wine, I want to install it, but while adept was downloading it my computer restarted, and when I try to install it, adept says there is an error
[07:50] <vikke> what happens if you apt-get remove?
[07:50] <Captainbraille> apt-get remove, says that the package isn't there
[07:51] <leafw> Captainbraille: man apt-get . There are options to clean the package database of broken packages, and to "force" things, such as a reinstall.
[07:54] <Captainbraille> ohh, okay,thanks leafw, this is stll kind of confusing though
[07:55] <leafw> Captainbraille: slow and easy :)
[07:55] <claydoh> sometimes wine's repo gets overloaded and it takes a few times to download  the files, especially when a new version is released
[07:55] <nuky> does anyone know how to set up keychain on breezy? i have done everything up to the point where i edit the ~/.bash_profile file.. no matter how i do it, the shh doesn't pick up the existing ssh-agent..
[07:56] <Captainbraille> okay claydoh, and my comp restarting during the middle of the download doesn't help eh, haha
[08:06] <Flosoft> hey
[08:06] <rysiek|pl> hi there
[08:06] <Flosoft> why is tomcat not anymore in the sources?
[08:08] <m0ns00n> anyone good in c here?
[08:08] <m0ns00n> fscanf problem
[08:09] <rysiek|pl> give it a shot
[08:10] <Pupeno_> Any SIP softphone that works ? does anybody know ?
[08:18] <rysiek|pl> WengoPhone, Skype
[08:18] <rysiek|pl> Pupeno_: WengoPhone - www.openwengo.org, Skype: www.skype.com
[08:18] <rysiek|pl> I got bopth working right now ;)
[08:23] <Evil_H> is there a program similar to Konfabulator for KDE?
[08:26] <Evil_H> !gdesklets
[08:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, gdesklets is gDesklets provides an advanced architecture for desktop applets -- tiny displays sitting on your desktop in a symbiotic relationship of eye candy and usefulness Homepage is http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[08:30] <rysiek|pl> I prefer SuperKaramba
[08:30] <rysiek|pl> !karamba
[08:30] <ubotu> rysiek|pl: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:30] <rysiek|pl> !superkaramba
[08:30] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[08:30] <rysiek|pl> there you are
[08:33] <rysiek|pl> cu all in 5mins
[08:36] <rraphink> "
[08:41] <Apple7> hello!
[08:44] <Apple7> i have a problem with Kubuntu
[08:44] <SkrotFFS> Shoot :)
[08:45] <Apple7> can help me:)(sorry by inglish i'm from Argentins)
[08:45] <SkrotFFS> Apple7: What's the problem?
[08:48] <Apple7> SkrotFFS> my problem is the next: I install with root and when I want to do something requests to be usuary root to me but I am it!
[08:49] <SkrotFFS> You installed a program as root, and when you want to use the program it tells you to switch to root user?
[08:52] <Apple7> SkrotFFS> yes, I want to install packages and I can't
[08:52] <SkrotFFS> You use "sudo apt-get install <package>"?
[08:53] <Apple7> the best is re-istall kubuntu (i'm new user)
[08:56] <Apple7> i'm use the system BeOS and [windows:-(] 
[08:57] <taro> hi
[08:58] <Apple7> and i it wanted to use Kubuntu, in order to learn linux
[08:58] <taro> ki?
[08:58] <Apple7> it is understood what I say?
[08:59] <taro> ki?
[08:59] <taro> i do not speak english
[09:00] <Borelia> !it
[09:00] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:01] <fatejudger> is anyone having trouble getting multiple sound streams to work in Dapper?
[09:04] <rysiek|pl> does anybody know how to make dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) include a certain kernel module in the generated initrd?
[09:04] <Apple7> SkrotFFS> you can help me??
[09:05] <SkrotFFS> Apple7: How did you install the program?
[09:05] <SkrotFFS> And what is the name of the program you installed?
[09:07] <Apple7> in this moments can't memory
[09:09] <Apple7> the best re-install Kubuntu and read About Kubuntu?
[09:10] <Apple7> [sorry by inglish] 
[09:10] <tarmath> apple7 you dont need to reinstall kubuntu to read about it
[09:11] <tarmath> start reading about it first, then you might be able to tell if you need to reinstall or not
[09:11] <gerry> hola
[09:13] <Apple7> tarmath i have problem, can't to solve
[09:14] <tarmath> is it that your problem cant be solved, or that you dont know how to solve it
[09:18] <dark_suic> amarok has suddenly stopped playing any kind of sound, kaffeine still plays anything just ok, it has happened while i wasn't at home, but noone touched the computer, any idea?
[09:18] <dark_suic> i've tried restarting it, but same problem
[09:18] <Apple7> tarmath> no it, i' new user in linux and think in to learn
[09:19] <SkrotFFS> Apple7: You learn by experience. :)
[09:20] <SkrotFFS> Apple7: What is the name of the program you are having problems with?
[09:22] <Apple7> no revenber the name the program
[09:23] <Apple7> some good book about Kubuntu
[09:24] <Apple7> ?
[09:25] <Borelia> nae but u can use channel as help like this:
[09:25] <Borelia> !ntfs
[09:25] <ubotu> hmm... ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:25] <Borelia> !wma
[09:25] <ubotu> well, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:25] <Borelia> etc
[09:27] <Crowbar> What camera software should I be using in KDE?
[09:28] <SkrotFFS> Crowbar: I use digikam :)
[09:28] <SkrotFFS> It supports a lot of cameras (PTP mode)
[09:29] <Crowbar> SkrotFFS: Oh, haha.  I was using digikam on gnome earlier.  Forgot it was actually a kde program
[09:29] <fatejudger> digikam is great
[09:29] <SkrotFFS> Indeed ;)
[09:29] <Crowbar> Ok, definitely solved my problem.  Wonder what else I thought was gtk...
[09:29] <fatejudger> I need someone who has Dapper to test their sound
[09:29] <SkrotFFS> How can you make that mistake? :p
[09:30] <fatejudger> different streams
[09:30] <SkrotFFS> fatejudger: I've got dapper
[09:30] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: did you lose the ability to play multiple audio streams in the last update?
[09:30] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: my audio system always seems to be taken by KDE now
[09:30] <SkrotFFS> Let's check. Playing music in amaroK and a video in the back should do the trick?
[09:30] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: I thought maybe they removed dmix from ALSA
[09:31] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: yeah
[09:31] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: or maybe testing out a sound in KDE
[09:31] <L0ki`> Once the system is installed is it possible to change the systems name? ie: etc@ubuntu to etc@somethinelse ?
[09:31] <SkrotFFS> fatejudger: I've got multiple audio streams
[09:31] <fatejudger> L0ki`: yeah
[09:31] <L0ki`> how ?
[09:31] <SkrotFFS> hostname <newname> methinks?
[09:31] <fatejudger> L0ki`: should be in the network settings somewhere
[09:32] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: well that is strange as hell
[09:32] <L0ki`> thnx i will check it
[09:32] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: I use an external sound card though, an Audigy NX
[09:32] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: so that may be what's giving me problems
[09:32] <fatejudger> SkrotFFS: at the ALSA level
[09:33] <SkrotFFS> May be :)
[09:34] <rysiek|pl> anybody has an idea how to make mkinitramfs include a certain module in the generated initrd?
[09:37] <Pupeno_> did anyone package ekiga for breezy ?
[09:38] <Chetwin> Hello ppl
[09:38] <rysiek|pl> hi
[09:38] <Chetwin> Anyone had experience loading kubuntu on an hp dv4000?
[09:39] <ronaldson40> could u recommend a good antivirus software
[09:40] <rysiek|pl> ClamAV
[09:41] <jpat|away> clamav ?
[09:41] <ronaldson40> is it free
[09:41] <rysiek|pl> search on sourceforge.net
[09:41] <rysiek|pl> yep
[09:41] <rysiek|pl> OpenSource
[09:41] <rysiek|pl> httm://clamav.sourceforge.net
[09:41] <rysiek|pl> I think
[09:41] <rysiek|pl> shit: http://clamav.sourceforge.net that is ;)
[09:42] <L0ki`> its on apt to
[09:43] <rysiek|pl> but I prefer to compile myself - it's usually more up-to-date
[09:43] <L0ki`> true
[09:43] <Olegs> hi
[09:43] <rysiek|pl> yell'oh
[09:44] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: so go for gentoo ;o)
[09:44] <rysiek|pl> well, actually I sometimes like to do some work and have fun on my box
[09:44] <rysiek|pl> and not compile round the clock :)
[09:45] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: ok!
[09:46] <Olegs> hi people
[09:46] <Olegs> any news about LICQ 1.3.2 available for 5.10?
[09:46] <rysiek|pl> Enlight_uni: although I must say, that "emerge world" is a very tempting command to exec :] 
[09:49] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: actually it's most often something like emerge -uDav world ^_^
[09:57] <Extreme_Unction> Hey guys I got a question
[09:57] <Extreme_Unction> I used AOSS to run a game (Alien Arena 2006: GE) and the sound quality is absolutely horrible. Anyway I can increase the quality?
[09:58] <rysiek|pl> why on earth would you use the ObsoleteSoundSystem? :)
[09:58] <Extreme_Unction> The game uses it
[09:59] <Extreme_Unction> I'm only using the AOSS wrapper so I can hear SOMETHING..
[09:59] <rysiek|pl> :/
[09:59] <rysiek|pl> tried running the game with artsdsp?
[09:59] <Extreme_Unction> Whats the sp for?
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> man artsdsp :)
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> argh
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> wait
[10:00] <Extreme_Unction> No hurry, just getting steam to work w/wine
[10:01] <rysiek|pl> artsdsp is a tool that let's you run OSS-using apps through... aRts sounsystem :)
[10:01] <Extreme_Unction> sweet
[10:01] <rysiek|pl> artsdsp <command>
[10:01] <Extreme_Unction> I'll give it a go in a bit
[10:01] <rysiek|pl> no manpage on my system (no idea why)
[10:01] <rysiek|pl> you should find it somewhere in the wiki or on the net
[10:02] <Extreme_Unction> I thought the whole point of man was to amuse Windows users with man vagina :\
[10:02] <Extreme_Unction> (Joking, of course!)
[10:02] <rysiek|pl> :)
[10:02] <Extreme_Unction> You know, I find WINE better than Windows :\
[10:02] <Enlight_uni> Extreme_Unction: I guess the question should be what does dsp (as in /dev/dsp/ stands for ;o)
[10:02] <Extreme_Unction> lol
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> man woman: segmentation fault o_O
[10:03] <Extreme_Unction> Lol
[10:03] <gerry> hello
[10:03] <Extreme_Unction> segfaults are the downfall of me
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> use FPC ;)
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> hi
[10:04] <Enlight_uni> IIRC ther is a man sex
[10:04] <Extreme_Unction> bah
[10:04] <gerry> can any one explain to me how to install a printer, i am a new linux user, this is my first day with it and i am abit confused, would love some help
[10:04] <Extreme_Unction> haha
[10:04] <Extreme_Unction> Updating steam
[10:05] <rysiek|pl> gerry: go to SystemSettings -> Printer
[10:05] <rysiek|pl> *Printars that is ;)
[10:05] <rysiek|pl> aaargh. P-R-I-N-T-E-R-S
[10:06] <rysiek|pl> that's better
[10:06] <Extreme_Unction> I find WINE a very amusing and good program.. Windows without the crap IMO
[10:06] <rysiek|pl> and without the instability :] 
[10:06] <Extreme_Unction> Seriously!
[10:06] <Extreme_Unction> Simulating Windows reboot ftw
[10:06] <rysiek|pl> gerry: are you still here?
[10:07] <gerry> thanks ryskelp, ytrying now
[10:07] <rysiek|pl> m'kay
[10:07] <leafw> Extreme_Unction: someone tried to run windows viruses with WINE. They all failed quite miserably. You're protected!
[10:07] <Extreme_Unction> Rofl!
[10:08] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: I have to disagree with you on that point, the NT kernel is quite fine, DLL's are weird so...
[10:08] <gerry> rylskep, what if my printer is not listed ?
[10:08] <bipolar> I'm a member of a very new LUG and we have some ideas for having some training for people looking to swtich from windows. Aparently there are at least 20 people looking to learn who are complete computer noobs. I'm wondering if there is any pre-created material that I can look over and incorporate into our "class".
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> gerry: not listed where? in the add printer wizard?
[10:09] <gerry> yes
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> bipolar: the wiki, of course :)
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> gerry: what's the printer vendor and model?
[10:09] <Borelia> !sane
[10:09] <bipolar> rysiek|pl: the kubuntu wiki?
[10:09] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Borelia
[10:09] <gerry> i there a place where i can d.l. more versins? or is what listed there is all that is supported?
[10:09] <Borelia> !scanner
[10:09] <ubotu> For scanners in Ubuntu, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> bipolar: aye
[10:09] <Enlight_uni> bipolar: what do you think of while saying pre-created?
[10:09] <gerry> epson stylus cx3600
[10:10] <Enlight_uni> !cdb
[10:10] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Enlight_uni
[10:10] <Enlight_uni> :/
[10:10] <bipolar> Enlight_uni: a talk of some kind. just some material that I can work with as a start.
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> gerry: I'd try googling
[10:10] <Extreme_Unction> Hmm, how do you set the Windows version with WINE, if you don't mind.
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> google helps - and I remember there is a software drivers project somewhere
[10:11] <Enlight_uni> bipolar: I guess you shouldn't runthrougt particular problems except for crappy wireless chipsets
[10:11] <Extreme_Unction> nvm
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> gerry: alternatively try visiting the vendors webpage - sometimes there are new Linux drivers published
[10:11] <Enlight_uni> s/runthrought/run\ through/
[10:12] <bipolar> Enlight_uni: I'm not worried about that. This is basicly a tutoral/introduction for noobs.
[10:12] <gerry> ok, thanks, will look in to it
[10:12] <gerry> bye
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> gerry: AND try some other, similar model's of the vendor
[10:12] <Enlight_uni> bipolar: and ATI cards upper than radeon 9200 may be a pain in the ass
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> they are :)
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> but I managed to get my Radeon 9600 to work
[10:12] <Enlight_uni> because ATI drivers are mmmh... how to stay polite???
[10:12] <Extreme_Unction> The w0rd
[10:13] <Extreme_Unction> WINE came with Google earth
[10:13] <Extreme_Unction> lol
[10:13] <bipolar> Enlight_uni: I'm not worried about those issues. I want to show people what kde/kubuntu can do. these are users who are looking into switching from Windows.
[10:13] <Enlight_uni> rysiek|pl: yep it's totally feasable but I would avoid this for complete noobs
[10:13] <bipolar> Enlight_uni: they will probbly have kubuntu profesionaly installed.
[10:13] <rysiek|pl> definetely :)
[10:13] <rysiek|pl> I would be very happy to avoid it myself
[10:13] <Enlight_uni> bipolar: wow that's great!
[10:14] <bipolar> Enlight_uni: yes. but first I need an introduction to "sell" it to them.
[10:14] <bipolar> I'm going to be getting in front of 20-30 people and giving a talk on behalf of our LUG
[10:14] <Enlight_uni> BTW I was wondering if k/ubuntu is that straight? I had to fix some config files and to set root's password using thelive cd's shell after the "normal" install process
[10:14] <bipolar> need to introduce them to the UI.
[10:15] <Enlight_uni> gethostbyname was failing miserably while using sudo
[10:15] <bipolar> Enlight_uni: k/ubuntu does not use a root password. if you needed to set one, it's a bug
[10:15] <Enlight_uni> bipolar: so I guess there isn't nicer than KDE for non geeks
[10:15] <bipolar> Enlight_uni: thats pretty much what I'm looking for.
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> bipolar: if you have a nVidia based Kubuntu box (or a well-configured ATI based one) you can try 3ddesk - just as the icing on the cake
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> 3d desktop switcher really awestrikes ;)
[10:16] <Enlight_uni> bipolar: ah ok! I added one 'cause I just ca't live without my root session
[10:16] <bipolar> Enlight_uni: sudo -s :)
[10:17] <Enlight_uni> bipolar: ok I'm not familiar with sudo and as I ran into troubles with it, I managed to get my old habits back ^_^
[10:18] <leafw> Enlight_uni: type 'sudo -i' and you have your root session
[10:18] <Paradox^> where can I downlod the orginal/start ubuntu theme?
[10:18] <leafw> Enlight_uni: in a shell, though.
[10:18] <Paradox^> *kubuntu
[10:19] <bipolar> I've been googling for a couple hours and have found just about nothing when it comes to Kde/Kubuntu talks
[10:19] <gerry> how do i install more help files on my machine
[10:19] <rysiek|pl> what for? you have them all on the internet
[10:20] <leafw> gerry: look for "-doc" on Adept or apt-cache
[10:20] <gerry> for example, i am going to adept help, and it tells me the file is not there . what can i do to get more self help tools
[10:20] <gerry> leafw, i am a green user, can you please be more elaborative?
[10:20] <allee> gerry: afaik adept has no manual yet
[10:20] <gerry> ooooh
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> gerry: open KMenu -> System -> Adept and search for packages that have "-dev" in their names
[10:21] <leafw> gerry: open Adept, in the search field type "-doc" (without the "") and then see which help you need, depending on which application you want the help (the doc=documentation) for.
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> argh
[10:21] <allee> gerry: adept is still developed heavily
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> not -dev but -doc of course
[10:21] <leafw> rysiek|pl: the -dev is the header files, not the docs
[10:21] <leafw> there
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> yeah, I know
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> typo :/
[10:21] <allee> gerry: the time it needs to write a manual, one it's already out of date
[10:21] <Enlight_uni> hell kopete is really cute!
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> no it's not! Kadu is really cute! :] 
[10:22] <Enlight_uni> leafw: thanks for the info!
[10:22] <Elrood> may i ask if anyone has successfully set up ubuntu with a prism2-based usb-wlan adapter?
[10:23] <bipolar> Well... I guess I need to write some things.
[10:25] <leafw> bipolar: train a person. Make that person train someone else; you train someone else as well. Iterate.
[10:25] <leafw> This way your time is maximized, and the training is most successful and personalized.
[10:25] <bipolar> I want somthing that I, or anyone, can study and then get in front of people and show them.
[10:25] <bipolar> this is not really training...
[10:26] <bipolar> training should be one on one, I agree.
[10:26] <leafw> bipolar: when learning how to do something, the best way to learn it is to DO IT, not to talk about it.
[10:26] <bipolar> leafw: again, this is not training. this is more advocacy then training. it's a marketing kind of thing,
[10:26] <leafw> bipolar: if that breaks the prospective learner expectations of a lazy, doozing class, so what.
[10:27] <bipolar> leafw: you are missing the point
[10:27] <leafw> marketing works best mouth to ear. It's the same thing as one-to-one learning.
[10:27] <leafw> I am just making a free suggestion based on my experience. You take what you want from it.
[10:28] <bipolar> I did
[10:28] <kosh> leafw: I disagree, the best way to learn is to study first and then do it
[10:29] <kosh> leafw: I have seen far too many that learned to code by just doing and they reimplemtn all kinds of things in nasty ways that are built in
[10:29] <leafw> kosh: simultaneously works better for most hands-on jobs.
[10:29] <bipolar> leafw: thanks for the discuragement. you completely missed the point of what I am trying to accomplish, then bashed the idea from your crooked point of view.
[10:29] <gerry> right, well thanks for t he help
[10:29] <gerry> even tohough it leaves me hanging ;)
[10:30] <leafw> crooked point of view? Now that's recreative critique.
[10:30] <leafw> type an /ignore, bipolar.
[10:30] <kosh> I agree that you can't learn without doing, however I also don't think you can learn without studying the manuals
[10:30] <gerry> aight bye
[10:30] <kosh> either one alone produces horrible results
[10:31] <bipolar> I've got 20 or so people who keep hearing about linux and are tired of windows. I need to introduce them to what Linux can do in a group enviroment. this is not "training".
[10:31] <leafw> kosh: learning by doing usually involves reading lots of manuals when you get stuck. Having someone next to you to point out "trivial" issues speeds up the process enormously.
[10:31] <kosh> bipolar: why not set up some kind of demo to show them?
[10:31] <leafw> extreme programming works like that as well.
[10:31] <kosh> bipolar: find the stuff they are doing now and show them how to do the same kind of stuff in linux and show off some new things they can do
[10:32] <bipolar> kosh: Some kind of impress presentation perhaps. that was a part of my idea. but I also have to give them an introduction to linux in general. a 10K ft. overview of sorts.
[10:32] <leafw> kosh: I would rather show what they need not to do, for example saving compulsively to prevent data lossage when the machine decides to reboot.
[10:32] <kosh> leafw: it is not just about getting stuck, for instance I have seen people write code in python like for i in range(len(seq)):  item = seq[i]   dosomething(item)   since that translated to how they did it in c, however that is ugly and far slower by comparison to for item in seq: dosomething(item)
[10:33] <kosh> leafw: why not have your editor do a continuous save?
[10:33] <leafw> kosh: why, some editors do a continuous save
[10:34] <kosh> bipolar: I have to admit I would not use a presentation program, I would just do the presentation directly with the software you are trying to show of
[10:34] <leafw> that was just an example, illustrating that the benefits are not so much, in my opinion, on the new features of kde versus windows, but rather ,the lack of missfeatures and bugs.
[10:34] <bipolar> kosh: yeah. the presentation software would be more for the 10k ft. overview. :)
[10:34] <kosh> leafw: I don't see how your comment works with my comment on just having the editor do continous save
[10:35] <leafw> kosh: forget it, it was just an example.
[10:35] <Datsunzoso> hello :D
[10:35] <bipolar> leafw: you don't sell people by telling them how much better you are. it doesn't work that way. they are already looking for an alternitive. just need to show them.
[10:35] <rysiek|pl> hi
[10:36] <kosh> we have sold many people based on how much better our software is
[10:36] <leafw> bipolar: you asked for ideas and views, there.
[10:36] <bipolar> whatever I create, I'll post it for public review.
[10:37] <bipolar> kosh: I misworded that.... the insecrure/crashing thing is what I was refering too, not features/ease of use.
[10:37] <kosh> actually most of our contracts now are coming from referals based on people using our sotware and showing it to others they work with who buy it also
[10:38] <bipolar> kosh: yes, I beleve that.
[10:39] <bipolar> basicly, it's better to show your own products in thier own spotlight, rather then putting a spotlight on your copetitor's flaws. I think thats a better way of putting it...
[10:40] <kosh> we don't have to compare to the competitors, our customers have already used the competitors and can make the comparison themselves :)
[10:40] <Datsunzoso> Gotta question, sometimes i keep gettin asked my password, how can i do it so that it wont ask me the pw all the time?
[10:41] <bipolar> kosh: *exactly*
[10:41] <bipolar> kosh: you got my point. This is why I need help. somtimes I can't put my thoughts into words as well as I like :P
[10:42] <bipolar> and these people are even better, they are looking for something to switch to :)
[10:42] <Datsunzoso> YO, hello :(
[10:42] <Datsunzoso> how can i locate an mp3 player on kubuntu?
[10:43] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: what is it asking your password for? it should only be asking that if it needs to do somthing with root privledges.
[10:43] <Datsunzoso> ya i was being asked for .,... i forgot lol
[10:43] <Datsunzoso> not important now
[10:44] <Datsunzoso> i just wanna know how i can get linux to notice my mp3 player
[10:44] <Chani> Datsunzoso: depends on the mp3 player itself. some show up as a usb device
[10:44] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: you mean you want to play mp3's in Kubuntu, or you have an mp3 playing device you want to load up with music (like an ipod)
[10:44] <Datsunzoso> ok how do i find it than??
[10:44] <Chani> some use other weird stuff.
[10:44] <Chani> some don't work at all
[10:45] <Datsunzoso> i have an mp3 player device that i wont to transfer music from
[10:45] <Datsunzoso> i wanna get the mp3's off it onto linux
[10:45] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: ah... ok. what device?
[10:45] <Chani> Datsunzoso: find the name of your mp3 player, google that & linux
[10:45] <Datsunzoso> wow.....
[10:45] <Datsunzoso> lol
[10:45] <Datsunzoso> :*(
[10:46] <Chani> hardware isn't consistent
[10:46] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: what mp3 player do you have?
[10:46] <Datsunzoso> ya ive found that out the hard way :\
[10:46] <Datsunzoso> its a creeeative nomad jukebox zen xtra
[10:46] <bipolar> oh. that should work.
[10:48] <Chani> Datsunzoso: have you tried just plugging it in?
[10:48] <Chani> it might show up as a usb device
[10:49] <Datsunzoso> i did plug it in
[10:49] <Datsunzoso> im wondering how i can get linux to notice it
[10:49] <Chani> Google Is Your Friend.
[10:49] <Chani> http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:QKqelbNeHPEJ:gnomad2.sourceforge.net/+creative+nomad+jukebox+zen+xtra+linux&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
[10:49] <Datsunzoso> i found that too chani
[10:49] <Datsunzoso> im gonna use that
[10:50] <Datsunzoso> but lol this is my first day with linux so i feel like a idiot
[10:50] <bipolar> I wonder if Amarok will work with it.
[10:50] <Datsunzoso> im trying that
[10:50] <Datsunzoso> but i dont know were to look for it
[10:50] <Datsunzoso> like is there a way were ammarock will notice it?
[10:50] <Chani> hmmmm.
[10:50] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: just for kicks, plug it in, then look in the media devices tab in Amarok
[10:51] <Enlight_uni> Datsunzoso: the biggest difference with windows is that when you fell like an idiot, you can change this feeling quickly ;o)
[10:52] <Datsunzoso> i tried the connect
[10:52] <Datsunzoso> but didnt work
[10:52] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: yeah, there are usualy lots of people here that can help you.
[10:52] <Datsunzoso> yea ive noticed that
[10:52] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: ok. try looking in kinfocenter under usb to see if it shows it.
[10:53] <Datsunzoso> kinfocenter. k
[10:53] <bipolar> K > System > KInfoCenter.
[10:53] <Chani> "older devices, and all Jukebox models use a custom protocol named PDE (Portable Digital Entertainment) that require special USB drivers. Future versions in the Creative Zen line exclusively uses Microsoft's Media Transfer Protocol (also known as "PlaysForSure"), and some legacy devices have been supplied with firmware upgrades to support MTP."
[10:53] <bipolar> bah!
[10:53] <Datsunzoso> caca
[10:54] <bipolar> Creative do some boneheaded things sometimes :P
[10:54] <Chani> yah
[10:54] <Chani> I thin with MTP you have to pretend it's a digital camera or something
[10:54] <kosh> the micro zen device just uses usb mass storage
[10:54] <kosh> no special drivers of any kind for any system
[10:55] <Chani> anyways... Datsunzoso: have you installed that gnomad proggy?
[10:55] <Datsunzoso> .... kik k>sytem> kinfocenter.... lol que????
[10:55] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: the "K" menu (like windows Start)
[10:55] <Datsunzoso> i c
[10:55] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: bottom left hand corner.
[10:55] <Datsunzoso> oh lool
[10:55] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: :)
[10:55] <Datsunzoso> yea i got it oipen no w lol
[10:56] <Datsunzoso> ok located
[10:56] <Datsunzoso> but how do i check whats inside the mp3 player
[10:56] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: thats just to check and see if kubuntu sees something plugged in.
[10:56] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: does the player show up in the usb menu?
[10:57] <Datsunzoso> ok
[10:57] <Datsunzoso> yea its in the usb menu
[10:57] <bipolar> good. what is it showing as?
[10:57] <Datsunzoso> nomad jukebox zen xtra
[10:57] <bipolar> cool.
[10:58] <bipolar> maybe you just need that app to access it then.
[10:58] <Datsunzoso> yea
[10:58] <bipolar> maybe it's in apt already
[10:58] <Datsunzoso> gnomad
[10:58] <Datsunzoso> i think i gotta dll it
[10:59] <bipolar> try this...
[10:59] <bipolar> open up a terminal (don't be scared :)
[10:59] <bipolar> K > System > Konsole
[10:59] <Datsunzoso> hehe ive had my run in with it
[11:00] <bipolar> sudo apt-get install gnomad2 << type that in and hit enter.
[11:01] <epzt> hi
[11:01] <bipolar> hi
[11:01] <epzt> since I installed kubuntu, the red light of hard disk activity is allways on as the disks were allways in acces
[11:02] <epzt> curious no ?
[11:02] <bipolar> epzt: hmmm....
[11:02] <epzt> yes....
[11:03] <bipolar> how long has it been doing this?
[11:03] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: did it install?
[11:04] <Datsunzoso> it said couldnt find pakage gnomad 2
[11:04] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: no space between gnomad and 2, right?
[11:04] <Datsunzoso> nope
[11:04] <bipolar> crap... wait... maybe you don't have the repos all set up...
[11:04] <epzt> since the beginning
[11:05] <Datsunzoso> prob dont
[11:05] <Datsunzoso> ... idk what that is lol
[11:05] <bipolar> guys.... is there a user friendly way of enabling the universe repos in kubuntu?
[11:05] <bipolar> epzt: how long has that been? just today? two days? a week?
[11:06] <epzt> since I installed kubuntu
[11:06] <bipolar> epzt: yes. how long has it been since you installed kubuntu?
[11:06] <epzt> 2 weeks
[11:06] <bipolar> epzt: how much RAM does the machine have?
[11:07] <epzt> 1 Gb
[11:07] <Datsunzoso> damn!
[11:07] <bipolar> epzt: then it shouldn't be swaping....
[11:07] <bipolar> epzt: I don't know what's causing that....
[11:07] <epzt> with 1 Giga bytes ??!
[11:07] <bipolar> epzt: i said it *shouldn't* be swaping.
[11:08] <kosh> heh I swapped badly at one, upgraded to two and now I am going to upgrade to 8 but that is because of what I am doing
[11:08] <bipolar> as in "should not"
[11:08] <epzt> sorry :)
[11:08] <bipolar> :)
[11:08] <bipolar> epzt: sorry... I'm at a loss.
[11:08] <_JohnFlux> Gb is gigabit ;)
[11:09] <epzt> ok, GB;)
[11:09] <Datsunzoso> so still no lucK :(
[11:09] <_JohnFlux> epzt: where is the memory going?
[11:09] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: ok. I don't know how to do this without using a text editor, so here it goes....
[11:09] <_JohnFlux> epzt: use gnome task manager
[11:09] <_JohnFlux> epzt: see where the memory is being used
[11:10] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: run "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:10] <epzt> ok, I check
[11:10] <Datsunzoso> k
[11:11] <_JohnFlux> epzt: ksysguard isn't very good for checking memory allocation unfortunetly
[11:11] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: scroll down to where it mentons the "universe" repositorys
[11:11] <JohnFlux> ah better
[11:11] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: you will see lines that start with "deb", these are the lines that define where apt goes to look for software packages.
[11:12] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: If there are #'s in front of them, that means they are disabled.
[11:13] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: so take a look and see if the universe repo is disabled. if it is, remove the # in front of "deb" for that line. then press ctrl+o to save, and ctrl+x to exit.
[11:13] <Datsunzoso> !!
[11:13] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Datsunzoso
[11:13] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: I know... it's a PITA.
[11:14] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: I think there is a more user friendly way to do it, but I'm an old hack who lives on the command line.
[11:14] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: if you are not confortable with it, I'll try to find out
[11:14] <Flosoft_2> hey
[11:14] <epzt> there is nothink specific. there is no swap allocation
[11:14] <Flosoft_2> I just updated my Kubuntu
[11:14] <Flosoft_2> now the network card doesn't work
[11:14] <Flosoft_2> :S
[11:14] <epzt> swap is empty
[11:15] <Flosoft_2> No such device and Failed to bring up eth0
[11:15] <Flosoft_2> but it is a onboard card ?
[11:16] <Flosoft_2> on breezy it worked without any problem
[11:16] <JohnFlux> Flosoft_2: run dmesg  and look for eth0
[11:16] <bipolar> is adapt in breezy?
[11:16] <Flosoft_2> nothing :S
[11:17] <JohnFlux> Flosoft_2: for some reason the kernel didn't see it then
[11:17] <Flosoft_2> hmm
[11:18] <ICXCNIKA> Hi. I just downloaded kubuntu. Does kubuntu have any desktop themes like windows?
[11:18] <Flosoft_2> well why can't Kubuntu find my card anymore?
[11:18] <Flosoft_2> KDE
[11:18] <Datsunzoso> well i think i got it
[11:18] <Datsunzoso> i follwed what u said
[11:18] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: the issue is that the program you need is in the "universe" repository, since it's not offialy supported. that repo, full of great but unsupported software, is not enabled by default.
[11:18] <Datsunzoso> deleted the #3
[11:18] <Flosoft_2> look in styles for Redmon
[11:18] <Flosoft_2> d
[11:19] <Dasnipa`> ICXCNIKA, themes are the job of the desktop manager not of the distro... KDE however does have themes they are in the system settings
[11:19] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: ok. now run 'sudo apt-get update' then try 'sudo apt-get install gnomad2'
[11:19] <Datsunzoso> still couldnt find :*(
[11:20] <bipolar> dang
[11:20] <Flosoft_2> anyone?
[11:20] <lubo> Hello kubuntu comunity..
[11:20] <Flosoft_2> I need my network card depsreatly
[11:20] <Flosoft_2> *desperatly
[11:20] <JohnFlux> Flosoft_2: ah the need for internet porn
[11:20] <JohnFlux> :)
[11:20] <bipolar> lol
[11:20] <Flosoft_2> lol
[11:20] <chx> anyone tried to run Kubuntu off a 1 gig disk drive?
[11:21] <Flosoft_2> no ... I got a Windows Pc for that :p
[11:21] <Flosoft_2> chx: Impossible
[11:21] <Datsunzoso> bah!
[11:21] <JohnFlux> chx: isn't there a live cd
[11:22] <lubo> can anyone tell me how to change locales? and UTC time zone...please
[11:22] <Flosoft_2> how can I fix my card?
[11:22] <Flosoft_2> it should be connected
[11:23] <chx> you know , I am eyeing these cheap 1 gig CF cards.... would make a boost for noise -- how could anything be more silent than a flash storage? :)
[11:23] <bipolar> I need a reverse ssh so that I can log into noob's pc's and fix little issues like this...
[11:24] <rysiek|pl> I repeat my question: why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure include the modules listed in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules?
[11:24] <crimsun> rysiek|pl: what are you passing to dpkg-reconfigure?
[11:25] <crimsun> in dapper, the only three packages whose postinst will regenerate the initramfs are linux-image-$(uname -r), udev, and mkinitramfs
[11:25] <rysiek|pl> linux-image-$(uname -r)
[11:26] <crimsun> s/mkinitramfs/initramfs-tools/
[11:26] <rysiek|pl> ?
[11:27] <crimsun> (I mistyped the package name)
[11:27] <rysiek|pl> ah
[11:28] <rysiek|pl> well, any ideas? everytime I boot with vga=791 I get insmod complaining about being unable to load vesafb.ko - "no such file or directory"
[11:28] <rysiek|pl> I have checked that and on my root filesystem the file exists allright
[11:29] <JohnFlux> rysiek|pl: using initrd ?
[11:29] <rysiek|pl> hence the idea that it has to be included in the initrd - but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to want to be helpful and co-operative ;)
[11:29] <ICXCNIKA> Does anyone have any information on getting the WLAN 1300 Wireless card to work with Kubuntu? Something about using ndiswrapper?
[11:29] <Andres> hy, how re tou
[11:29] <Andres> you
[11:29] <Andres> i'm new using linux,
[11:29] <ICXCNIKA> As am I Andres.
[11:29] <rysiek|pl> JohnFlux: well, using standard Kubuntu Breezy 5.10 settings
[11:30] <Andres> yea?
[11:30] <Andres> i wanna ask a question
[11:30] <Andres> why i can't enter to KDE like root?
[11:30] <rysiek|pl> mkinitrd.conf doesn't change anything, but initramfs.conf does (tested with the RESUME setting)
[11:31] <rysiek|pl> Andres: what for?
[11:31] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: The package is definatly in breezy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/gnomad2
[11:31] <rysiek|pl> you don't need to login as root
[11:31] <Andres> may be, but i need to move some files, for example, aMSN skins
[11:31] <rysiek|pl> to KDE that is - and it's a security and system integrity danger
[11:31] <Andres> and is better if i can do it by a visual way
[11:31] <rysiek|pl> Andres: run kdesu konqueror
[11:32] <rysiek|pl> from konsole
[11:32] <Andres> ok
[11:32] <rysiek|pl> or use "Run as root" KMenu option
[11:32] <Datsunzoso> ohhh thanks
[11:32] <epzt> msg nickserv set hide email on
[11:32] <Andres> thanks
[11:32] <Datsunzoso> ok... what do i do wwith that?
[11:33] <rysiek|pl> well, anybody any ideas on dpkg-reconfigure?
[11:33] <Andres> i could enter!
[11:33] <epzt> oops :)
[11:33] <frank23> !tell Andres about rootsudo
[11:33] <Andres> what's rootsudo?
[11:34] <frank23> Andres: Check the link the bot sent you. In ubuntu the root account is deactivated
[11:34] <Andres> yeah, i checked it
[11:34] <Datsunzoso> ahh!
[11:35] <Andres> but everything is ok, with the command kdesu i could solve all my problems
[11:35] <kingpomba> morning everyone
[11:35] <Andres> and another question: somebody speak spanish?
[11:36] <Andres> because my english is poor
[11:36] <kingpomba> not me
[11:36] <Andres> ok, i'll continue writing in english
[11:37] <Andres> do you know where i can find a good Linux manual for newbies?
[11:37] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: I'm just saying that when the universe repo gets enabled, you will be able to install it with 'sudo apt-get install gnomad2'
[11:38] <frank23> !es
[11:38] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:38] <tarmath> !ja
[11:38] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, tarmath
[11:38] <kingpomba> !hi
[11:38] <ubotu> hi!
[11:38] <frank23> Andres: for ubuntu I would suggest the wiki to start off
[11:38] <Flosoft_2> why doesn't my network card work anymore?
[11:39] <tarmath> the heck is that site
[11:39] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: read this: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/#add-repositories
[11:39] <Andres> ok
[11:39] <Andres> thanks
[11:39] <Andres> i will
[11:40] <bipolar> Datsunzoso: that will walk you though it.
[11:40] <ICXCNIKA> Does anyone have any information on getting the WLAN 1300 Wireless card to work with Kubuntu? Something about using ndiswrapper?
[11:41] <rysiek|pl> ICXCNIKA: no idea. try the Wiki
[11:41] <frank23> !tell ICXCNIKA about wifi
[11:42] <frank23> ICXCNIKA: umm that might not be the best page, I don't know
[11:43] <ICXCNIKA> It doesn't seem to help much.
[11:43] <ICXCNIKA> Someone told me to use ndiswrapper.
[11:44] <Flosoft_2> why don't onboard network cards work anymore on the new Dapper?
[11:45] <frank23> Flosoft_2: probably because Dapper is not ready for release
[11:45] <Flosoft_2> but generally that should work
[11:46] <frank23> Flosoft_2: at release everything that used to work *should* work
[11:46] <Flosoft_2> hmm
[11:46] <Flosoft_2> do Realtek Cards work?