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| lapo | hi | 01:25 |
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| lapo | er, hi | 01:25 |
| andreasn | hello again lapo | 01:26 |
| lapo | ciao andreasn | 01:28 |
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| klepas | moin | 06:54 |
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| justin__k | hi all, as anyone put their hand up for art team leader yet? | 08:10 |
| justin__k | i nominate pascal | 08:10 |
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| kamstrup | Does anybody here know if there are performance differences between metacity themes? | 09:42 |
| kamstrup | I wan't a really light one. | 09:42 |
| kamstrup | for the SandSkater theme | 09:42 |
| artnay | kamstrup: there is some performance issues with some themes, which ones are you thinking? | 09:52 |
| artnay | klepas: hey :) | 09:52 |
| kamstrup | artnay: I have a few in mind. CHeck https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SandSkater | 09:53 |
| kamstrup | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/SandSkater | 09:54 |
| kamstrup | that was | 09:54 |
| artnay | I'm quite sure it will be quite lightweight no matter which one you choose of those | 09:56 |
| artnay | kamstrup: if bg is too much for computer, maybe one should use something like IceWM or *box :p | 09:58 |
| kamstrup | No way artnay :) | 09:59 |
| kamstrup | I'm running Gnome on my 700MHz box | 09:59 |
| kamstrup | A solid background gives a pretty noticable speed gain | 10:00 |
| kamstrup | as does the thinice gtk engine | 10:00 |
| kamstrup | :) | 10:00 |
| kamstrup | Things are pretty snappy infact | 10:00 |
| artnay | I'm on P3 500 MHz & 128 MB now | 10:00 |
| kamstrup | hehe | 10:00 |
| kamstrup | You know the feeling then | 10:01 |
| artnay | damn it's taking long from asus to replace mobo | 10:01 |
| artnay | have you guys found any performance tests between SVG and PNG rendering on low-end computers? | 10:06 |
| artnay | I've seen some tests but they were run on fast computer (> 2 GHz) | 10:07 |
| kamstrup | hmmm | 10:07 |
| kamstrup | no | 10:07 |
| kamstrup | do you have any ideas on how to do that? | 10:07 |
| artnay | generally PNG should be more ideal to your project | 10:07 |
| kamstrup | I would guess so | 10:08 |
| kamstrup | but I'm not sure | 10:08 |
| kamstrup | Still Life is png, and has some of the qualities I'm looking for. | 10:10 |
| artnay | too bad it's not offered as SVGs, too | 10:10 |
| kamstrup | it will require a good deal of work to get into shape | 10:10 |
| kamstrup | yes | 10:10 |
| kamstrup | that would ease modifications | 10:10 |
| artnay | maybe you could ask the author for SVG/XCF/PSD | 10:13 |
| artnay | shouldn't we create a subcategory for proposed themes? | 10:14 |
| artnay | to wiki | 10:14 |
| artnay | I mean, wiki is quite a chaos at the moment IMHO | 10:14 |
| artnay | and henrik mentioned removing ToDo list... I think that would be a bad idea since there's no any other page that covers all the information | 10:15 |
| artnay | that's why there should be separate pages for different *buntus | 10:15 |
| artnay | no offence but I think we should renew many parts of /Artwork | 10:16 |
| artnay | is there really any reason to have a separate official section? why isn't the new icon set covered there? is it official? that kind of questions might raise to people new to ubuntu-artwork | 10:18 |
| artnay | btw, who is working on that icon set? tigert? | 10:18 |
| artnay | AndyFitz: do you happen to have any idea of that? :o | 10:19 |
| artnay | I find it rather funny that they ask people to send comments to artwork team when artwork team is as much informed as anybody else | 10:20 |
| artnay | lapo: I see you've been highlighting me ~a week ago :o | 10:20 |
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| artnay | I'm quite surprised while reading ubuntu-artwork ML (march list) | 10:54 |
| artnay | have you checked the archive? | 10:54 |
| andreasn | artnay: drew what theme? | 11:08 |
| artnay | andreasn: umh, pardon? | 11:09 |
| andreasn | "btw, who is working on that icon set? tigert?" | 11:09 |
| artnay | yeah, the official icon set which came out of blue | 11:09 |
| klepas | andreasn: someone hired | 11:10 |
| klepas | by canonical | 11:10 |
| artnay | from scandinavia as has been said earlier (a month ago) | 11:10 |
| andreasn | I have no idea who it is, but it's not tigert. He's working for Nokia now | 11:10 |
| artnay | my guess it's tigert since he's past is somewhat gnome and art centric and he's from finland (scandinavia) | 11:10 |
| artnay | but one could always have some hobbyist projects on freetime, if it's a passion ;9 | 11:11 |
| andreasn | I think tigert would have refused doing anything else but a tango-set | 11:11 |
| artnay | it's surprising what money can do | 11:11 |
| andreasn | but if it is him, he hasn't mentioned it at all | 11:12 |
| artnay | there's such thing as NDA | 11:12 |
| artnay | but that goes against CoC | 11:12 |
| artnay | lots of nice acronyms, umh | 11:12 |
| klepas | have you guys had a look at the proposed theme packages that the art team could begin and maintain? | 11:13 |
| klepas | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/AdditionalThemes | 11:13 |
| andreasn | Tango also has a Thunderbird theme, but I wasn't sure if I should add that or not | 11:14 |
| artnay | klepas: sure have | 11:14 |
| andreasn | to the wiki-page | 11:14 |
| klepas | andreasn: add it to the list | 11:14 |
| artnay | but the thing is, that we're already three months late | 11:15 |
| klepas | i want to put myself forth as a maintainer/leader/person who works on a complete Tango package for Ubuntu | 11:15 |
| andreasn | klepas: sound great! | 11:15 |
| klepas | so everything from GDM to splash to GTK to Metacity to Firefox and Thunderbird themes... etc. | 11:15 |
| klepas | and wallpapers | 11:15 |
| klepas | and finally, of course the icon set | 11:15 |
| andreasn | a lot of apps are starting to use tango upstream now | 11:16 |
| andreasn | latest f-spot, banshee etc. | 11:16 |
| klepas | we also want to decide on a new art team leadeer | 11:16 |
| artnay | klepas: there's no reason to decide it now | 11:17 |
| klepas | not right now | 11:17 |
| klepas | but within the next week | 11:17 |
| artnay | once someone who has all the time and skill to be responsible comes out, then it's time | 11:17 |
| artnay | at the moment there really doesn't seem to such person | 11:17 |
| artnay | at least not on IRC | 11:18 |
| klepas | artnay: yourself? | 11:18 |
| artnay | klepas: sorry, I doubt that big time | 11:18 |
| klepas | andyfitz | 11:18 |
| klepas | maybe not in time wise | 11:18 |
| artnay | neither of us have the time needed | 11:18 |
| klepas | but hey, things change :) | 11:18 |
| artnay | hopefully they do | 11:19 |
| klepas | http://wombat.nuxified.com/files/thb-ubuntu-splashes.png | 11:19 |
| artnay | I find it rather strange that mark used quite strong words on the ML | 11:19 |
| klepas | yea | 11:19 |
| klepas | well considering i met him | 11:19 |
| klepas | and he gave me a lift back to my home town | 11:19 |
| artnay | to me it seems canonical really didn't care for artwork until they woke up some time ago | 11:19 |
| klepas | we had a chance to talk | 11:19 |
| klepas | and now i sort of got annoyed at what we agreed upon :) | 11:20 |
| klepas | my fault :) | 11:20 |
| artnay | since volvoguy and I have sent many emails considering ubuntu-artwork, and we haven't received replies... | 11:20 |
| klepas | brb | 11:20 |
| artnay | volvoguy sent a few mails in july, I did send back is august or september | 11:20 |
| artnay | and mark also states that there has to be somebody who tells what to do with ubuntu-artwork (project leader), although it's been said that artwork team doesn't have a word on artwork that will be on the ubuntu CD media | 11:21 |
| artnay | so I'd say that canonical should have publicized the much spoken branding guide (stating what they want from ubuntu-artwork) which would have helped artwork team to set the priorites | 11:23 |
| artnay | and that way co-operation would have been possible | 11:23 |
| artnay | since I really see no person outside of canonical who would have the influence to say what artwork team should focus and work on | 11:25 |
| artnay | what do you guys think? | 11:26 |
| andreasn | perhaps the reason that the artwork-team has no influence is because canonial don't trust that the team can produce good stuff | 11:34 |
| andreasn | hm, need to run sonn | 11:34 |
| andreasn | as a contributor to the tango project and a ubuntu user, I think it would be cool if the artwork team could work together with the community we build around tango | 11:35 |
| andreasn | to make it not only a novell dominated project | 11:36 |
| andreasn | but that is just me thinking aloud :) | 11:39 |
| andreasn | time to run | 11:44 |
| andreasn | I'll be back in a couple of hours | 11:45 |
| klepas | artnay: hey | 11:51 |
| artnay | klepas: pong | 11:52 |
| klepas | reploed | 11:53 |
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| lapo | hi | 12:49 |
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| klepas | anyone awake? | 01:36 |
| kamstrup | klepas: aye | 01:42 |
| klepas | hey, cool | 01:45 |
| klepas | what are your thoughts on the themed package ideas | 01:45 |
| klepas | for universe | 01:45 |
| klepas | and one which is of top notch for mainstream, if it's good enough? | 01:45 |
| kamstrup | hmmm | 01:46 |
| kamstrup | it's hard when we don't have anython really concrete atm | 01:46 |
| kamstrup | I think there's been a bit too much of | 01:47 |
| kamstrup | "hey this icon theme is cool, hey this gtk theme is cool - let's stick them together and call it a theme" | 01:47 |
| klepas | yep | 01:48 |
| klepas | i think we can be safe though | 01:49 |
| klepas | to say that Tango could do with a complete Ubuntu (GNOME) and Kubuntu (KDE) pacakge | 01:49 |
| kamstrup | Tango should definitely be used... | 01:49 |
| klepas | i'm putting myself up as a person who would be willing to work on that | 01:50 |
| klepas | given that some work needs to be done | 01:50 |
| klepas | i'm going to spend all of this weekend compiling some sort of coherent Ubuntu Tango package | 01:50 |
| klepas | There would need to be a GNOME and KDE package (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) with GDM/KDM, splash screen, wallpaper(s), GTK/KDE themes, Metacity/KDE window decoration themes and finally the icon sets. One official, complete Tango package. | 01:51 |
| klepas | eventually both | 01:51 |
| klepas | but i'll do the ubuntu (GNOME one) this weekend | 01:51 |
| klepas | what do you think kamstrup | 01:52 |
| klepas | interested in helping out in the tango one | 01:53 |
| artnay | klepas: in which areas would like to have a helping hand? | 02:03 |
| klepas | well basically | 02:04 |
| klepas | i want to get a Tango set together | 02:04 |
| klepas | by Sunday eve | 02:04 |
| klepas | starting with the GNOME stuff | 02:04 |
| klepas | GTK, Metacity, icon set, splash screen and maybe about 2-5 wallpapers | 02:04 |
| klepas | all Tango | 02:04 |
| artnay | I might be able to help you tomorrow, I'm leaving soon to this place: http://www.pacifique.fi/home.shtml x) | 02:04 |
| klepas | yea | 02:06 |
| klepas | i had a look at that | 02:06 |
| klepas | damn | 02:06 |
| klepas | pretty sassy | 02:06 |
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| lapo | hi | 02:43 |
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| kamstrup | klepas: sorry for keeping you... | 03:10 |
| kamstrup | I'll spend most of my time on the SandSkater theme | 03:10 |
| kamstrup | but i like the idea | 03:11 |
| kamstrup | ofcourse :) | 03:11 |
| kamstrup | it is Tango after all :) | 03:11 |
| kamstrup | klepas: will you go ubuntu brown? | 03:12 |
| klepas | for the tango things? | 03:12 |
| klepas | no | 03:12 |
| klepas | because it's tango | 03:12 |
| klepas | the themes _do not_ have even follow the Ubuntu colour schema | 03:13 |
| klepas | they are different themes in their own right | 03:13 |
| lapo | I think ubuntu should follow tango color shcema, and tango is not a theme | 03:14 |
| lapo | tango is actually a bunch of guidelines to make application of various different enviroment looks nice side by side, the icons are a consequences of it | 03:15 |
| lapo | tango is more a style than a theme | 03:15 |
| klepas | yes | 03:15 |
| klepas | but in this case we need to play along with the rules | 03:15 |
| kamstrup | there is brown colors in the tango palette | 03:15 |
| kamstrup | is=are | 03:15 |
| klepas | so Ubuntu will feature it's own colour schema, icon set, and so forth | 03:15 |
| klepas | and we get to create themed-packages | 03:15 |
| lapo | kamstrup: yes, very similar to ubuntu ones | 03:15 |
| kamstrup | exactly | 03:16 |
| klepas | one or two of which, if good could end up in mainstream as additional choices | 03:16 |
| lapo | klepas: i don't know if this is the right course of action | 03:17 |
| lapo | doing a complete theme is almost impossible | 03:18 |
| lapo | you kno how many icons should be in a theme to make it really complete, and so offer a good desktop experience? | 03:18 |
| lapo | ugh...I'll rephrase it | 03:18 |
| lapo | do you know how many icons should be in a theme to make it really complete, and so offer a good desktop experience? | 03:18 |
| klepas | a lot | 03:19 |
| klepas | and tango has the best chance of ever completing that | 03:19 |
| klepas | i don't think that Ubuntu should have it's own icon set | 03:19 |
| klepas | making a completely new icon set | 03:19 |
| klepas | that is complete | 03:20 |
| klepas | will take year | 03:20 |
| lapo | if you have a really cool theme not following tango guidelines, you'll have a bunch of cool icons not integrated with the rest of the desktop | 03:20 |
| klepas | *years | 03:20 |
| klepas | yes! | 03:20 |
| klepas | of course | 03:20 |
| lapo | exactly | 03:20 |
| klepas | but no one will listen | 03:20 |
| lapo | why? | 03:20 |
| klepas | because they've already hired people | 03:20 |
| klepas | and we don't get to say "let's use tango" as the art team | 03:20 |
| klepas | we can't | 03:20 |
| klepas | so | 03:21 |
| klepas | we get to make themed-packages | 03:21 |
| lapo | where's the problem, can't the hider people follow the tango guidelines? | 03:21 |
| lapo | hired even | 03:21 |
| klepas | one or two of which might be included with the CD as additional choices | 03:21 |
| lapo | consider that the next gnome icon theme will be tango styled | 03:21 |
| klepas | because people higher up have decided to make something completely new | 03:21 |
| klepas | lapo: i know | 03:21 |
| lapo | you can make something completely new following the tango guidelines, iy's not really a problem | 03:22 |
| klepas | this is what both Andy and I have been trying to get other people to understand | 03:22 |
| klepas | it'll take far too long to make something new | 03:22 |
| lapo | have you ever used redhat/fedora? | 03:22 |
| klepas | and it won't ever be complete in the time we have | 03:22 |
| klepas | seen it extensively | 03:22 |
| klepas | used it several times | 03:22 |
| klepas | i know, blue curve | 03:23 |
| klepas | however this doesn't help us | 03:23 |
| klepas | we don't have any other options | 03:23 |
| klepas | what these folks higher up would like | 03:23 |
| lapo | blue curve is one of the most complete and cool icons theme around | 03:23 |
| klepas | are themed-packages | 03:23 |
| klepas | one of them ought to be tango | 03:24 |
| lapo | but it doesn't blend well with the rest 'cause you have gnome/kde icons with it | 03:24 |
| klepas | a complete tango package for both the GNOME (Ubuntu) and KDE (Kubuntu) dekstop | 03:24 |
| klepas | eventually it will | 03:24 |
| klepas | these themed-packages would include everything from icon sets to splash screens to wallpapers to GTK themed to metacity themes and so forth | 03:25 |
| klepas | that is what we're doing | 03:25 |
| klepas | and i would like to get at least a Tango package up and running | 03:25 |
| klepas | so, how does that sound? | 03:26 |
| lapo | that's cool, but I repeat I fear the new dapper icon theme will be a new bluecurve :-/ | 03:26 |
| lapo | a theme impossible to complete that will be dropped in the futere | 03:26 |
| lapo | future even | 03:27 |
| klepas | i fear the same | 03:27 |
| klepas | the best way to show people that there is a way to make a consistent desktop | 03:27 |
| klepas | is use tango | 03:27 |
| klepas | or a variant | 03:27 |
| lapo | there's alredy a community around tango, there's alredy good guideline, ad there's alredy lots of icons | 03:27 |
| klepas | and the easiest way to do that is to make a package that will be added at least to universe | 03:28 |
| lapo | consider lot of application are using tango icons | 03:28 |
| lapo | I mean upstream | 03:28 |
| klepas | lapo: these themed-paclages | 03:28 |
| klepas | can be added almost instantly to the universe repo | 03:28 |
| klepas | if they are complete and good | 03:28 |
| klepas | this could be in universe by next week | 03:28 |
| klepas | we just need to get some more work together | 03:28 |
| lapo | my point is that's impossible to build a complete theme | 03:29 |
| artnay | discussion, finally. hi guys. | 03:29 |
| lapo | way too many icon to do | 03:29 |
| klepas | so | 03:29 |
| klepas | does anyone have any tango-themed SVG wallpapers? | 03:30 |
| klepas | or splash screens for that matter | 03:30 |
| artnay | klepas: umh, so you basically want to make a debian package out of it. do you know how many of people involved in tango project are using ubuntu as well? | 03:30 |
| klepas | no idea | 03:30 |
| klepas | but at least 5 | 03:30 |
| klepas | :) | 03:30 |
| klepas | artnay: that's the deal | 03:31 |
| klepas | with all these themed-packages | 03:31 |
| klepas | that's what mark would love | 03:31 |
| artnay | you might want to ask these people (including people who are offering themes for other programs such as fx and tb) to get involved in this | 03:31 |
| lapo | svg is not that good for wallpapers klepas | 03:31 |
| klepas | check the irc channel | 03:31 |
| klepas | i've asked a few times | 03:31 |
| artnay | klepas: sure, but I have not seen any comments yet | 03:31 |
| klepas | yep | 03:31 |
| klepas | hence why i'm here | 03:31 |
| artnay | really? I must have missed that then | 03:31 |
| Tm_T | artnay: ! | 03:31 |
| artnay | hey Tm_T | 03:32 |
| Tm_T | you idler | 03:32 |
| artnay | tell me about it... I really haven't had a computer for the last two months | 03:33 |
| artnay | only occasionally | 03:33 |
| Tm_T | shame on you! | 03:33 |
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| artnay | klepas: so would you use tango with defaults? (no any alternations using ubuntu palette etc.) | 03:34 |
| lapo | klepas: regarding tango people using ubuntu, andreasn and jimmac (don't tell novell :-)) use ubuntu, surelly others | 03:35 |
| artnay | I think it's ok that canonical hired an artist, but the whole thing with ubuntu-artwork is really confusing, I'd say | 03:35 |
| artnay | it has been since the beginning | 03:35 |
| Tm_T | aye | 03:35 |
| artnay | artwork team was formed, umh, a month or two before breezy? | 03:35 |
| Tm_T | who's doing and what? what should be one and when? where's my pants btw | 03:36 |
| artnay | I ate your pants | 03:36 |
| Tm_T | ah then | 03:36 |
| artnay | that's the only thing I know ;) | 03:36 |
| klepas | artnay: yea, i'd use tango like it is | 03:36 |
| artnay | I think it's against CoC what's happening with the icon set, although I can take that (you know, let him/her have artistical freedom for now etc.) | 03:37 |
| klepas | once inkscape css support stuff comes in changing icon set colouration ought to be a breezye | 03:37 |
| klepas | *breeze | 03:37 |
| artnay | but the thing is that didn't co-operate hard enough before that, so it's better than nothing | 03:37 |
| klepas | so applying the Ubuntu colour scheme would be easy | 03:37 |
| lapo | klepas: uhm | 03:38 |
| lapo | the ubuntu color scheme should die imho | 03:38 |
| klepas | "01:38 < lapo> the ubuntu color scheme should die imho" - this channel is logged :P | 03:40 |
| artnay | oh, the renewed human theme... edges get pixelated | 03:40 |
| lapo | changing a the colors in an icon can't be done automagically, css or not | 03:41 |
| artnay | although fc5 has too :/ | 03:41 |
| artnay | lapo: that's basically what andy is doing at the moment, offering icons and he lefts colours to be decided by someone else | 03:42 |
| artnay | since the same thing is happening with tango | 03:42 |
| klepas | so... | 03:42 |
| klepas | is someone willing to pitch in with this Tango package? | 03:42 |
| artnay | some people really dislike the colour of folder and wastebasket in tango | 03:42 |
| lapo | artnay: basically only a bunch of icons may need a color change, so I think it's easier to do it manually, and doing an icon theme that inherits tango then | 03:43 |
| artnay | lapo: yeah, in some occasions | 03:43 |
| artnay | if you need to change the colour of folder icon, it could be done easily with css support | 03:43 |
| lapo | and not all the icons are svg | 03:43 |
| lapo | artnay: and what will you do for the pngs? | 03:44 |
| artnay | but if there's already fx tango theme done, why change all the action icons? | 03:44 |
| artnay | they're most commonly used | 03:44 |
| lapo | frankly speaking I think it's a waste of goo energy, but it's only my humble opinion | 03:44 |
| artnay | if they would be the same, artwork team should do only minor changes to tango themes | 03:44 |
| artnay | since there really isn't much people involved in this and we didnt even have any goals set a month ago or so | 03:45 |
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| lapo | artnay: toi do an "ubuntization" of tango you don't really need a lot of people | 03:49 |
| lapo | since the icons yo would want to repleace are not that much | 03:50 |
| lapo | let's say 10-15? | 03:50 |
| artnay | lapo: yeah, but it's not just the icons as you mentioned before (blue curve) | 03:51 |
| artnay | lapo: and that's the problem, "the icons I want to replace" :) | 03:52 |
| artnay | nobody cares which icon I'm thinking of, the decision should come somewhere else (as a team maybe, canonical, who knows) | 03:53 |
| artnay | that's been the trouble, we all have our ideas but creating a working process out of it has been a mess | 03:53 |
| artnay | if you look at the list, people aren't co-operating. that's why I suggested to seek for help from tango oriented people | 03:55 |
| lapo | I don't follow ubuntu's list sorry | 03:55 |
| artnay | some examples... bvc is having fun with metacity themes but how many times have you spoken to him? what about this nikolai (medicine mask)? at least andy is here :) | 03:56 |
| lapo | I am a tango oriented guyt and I'm here to help, btw :-) | 03:56 |
| artnay | there's lots of decent artwork, we should just utilize it | 03:56 |
| lapo | there isn't some sort of artistic director in ubuntu? | 03:57 |
| artnay | no, there hasn't been since volvoguy | 03:57 |
| lapo | where's this volvoguy? | 03:57 |
| artnay | and if you take into account what happened when team formed, there really hasn't been artwork process to the day | 03:57 |
| artnay | he had some health problems, you might want ask him | 03:58 |
| artnay | he's recovering at the moment | 03:58 |
| Tm_T | hmm hmm | 03:59 |
| Tm_T | artnay: who? | 03:59 |
| artnay | Tm_T: aaron | 03:59 |
| artnay | a.k.a volvoguy | 03:59 |
| Tm_T | aah | 03:59 |
| Tm_T | I remember him | 04:00 |
| Tm_T | artnay: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png | 04:00 |
| Tm_T | ;( | 04:00 |
| artnay | how come my sentences are missing verbs most of the time... :) | 04:01 |
| artnay | too many things to be done | 04:01 |
| Tm_T | haha | 04:01 |
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| Tm_T | so I'm not in my sharpest knife | 04:02 |
| artnay | Tm_T: KDE is great with altering KWin bordering | 04:03 |
| Tm_T | and also my Kicker is bit unusual | 04:03 |
| Tm_T | oh, you haven't seen my kmenu? | 04:03 |
| Tm_T | http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/temp/kmenu-1.png | 04:04 |
| klepas | Aaron Michael Waite | 04:04 |
| Tm_T | best in KDE: make it look yourself | 04:04 |
| artnay | is that something eatable? I want more customizable menu | 04:04 |
| Tm_T | artnay: more? | 04:05 |
| artnay | the shots by novell (G) looked interesting | 04:05 |
| Tm_T | nah | 04:05 |
| artnay | Tm_T: I'd like to have some other concept, that's it. umh, maybe KDE 4? :o | 04:07 |
| Tm_T | aye | 04:09 |
| Tm_T | KDE4 will be a lot different | 04:10 |
| artnay | klepas: do you have any idea to whom has this UI shapeout has been assigned in london? | 04:11 |
| artnay | klepas: I only find "we" etc. | 04:11 |
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| klepas | no idea | 04:23 |
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| klepas | you're up early AndyFitz | 04:50 |
| AndyFitz | about to head to bed klepas :-) just finishing my green and gold slurpee | 04:51 |
| AndyFitz | its awesome to find those colours in slurpee . apparently is a commonwealth games promotion | 04:51 |
| klepas | cool | 04:52 |
| klepas | i'm working on a tango gdm | 04:52 |
| AndyFitz | awesome mate | 04:54 |
| AndyFitz | thanks | 04:54 |
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| leetcharmer | hihi all :D | 05:04 |
| leetcharmer | how's the art weekend going? | 05:04 |
| artnay | hi leetcharmer. if you look at http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/irclogs/ (ctrl f artwork), you'll find that there's been more discussion today than during the whole last week... ;) | 05:06 |
| artnay | so better than nothing, eh? | 05:06 |
| leetcharmer | ya! | 05:08 |
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| leetcharmer | I heart the new icons! | 05:08 |
| leetcharmer | so -- is there going to be a UI change? or is that frozen? | 05:10 |
| artnay | there was artwork freeze back in breezy development days, but if you look at the schedule now, no | 05:10 |
| artnay | it's not frozen | 05:10 |
| leetcharmer | ahh, kk -- well -- I'm trying to get the hang of Inkscape -- but I have GIMP skills, have anything you'd like me to make? | 05:11 |
| artnay | klepas will pack tango, do you think you could help him? | 05:11 |
| leetcharmer | what can I do for him? | 05:11 |
| lapo | nobody here is in touch with the payed artist who's doing icons for canonical? | 05:11 |
| artnay | have a chat with klepas | 05:11 |
| artnay | lapo: ironically, no | 05:12 |
| artnay | I expectec some guys from canonical to pop up | 05:12 |
| leetcharmer | klepas: do you need any help? | 05:12 |
| artnay | leetcharmer: he does :) | 05:12 |
| lapo | artnay: do you mean today? | 05:12 |
| leetcharmer | :D | 05:12 |
| artnay | lapo: on the weekend | 05:13 |
| artnay | but I'm leaving soon | 05:13 |
| lapo | isn't now the weekend? :-) | 05:13 |
| artnay | party will begin in 45 minutes | 05:13 |
| leetcharmer | oh? | 05:13 |
| artnay | lapo: I guess it's weekend everywhere now, yeah. some patience ;) | 05:13 |
| leetcharmer | :D | 05:14 |
| Tm_T | artnay: hey, you were doing colour scheme etc earlier, right? never got anything finished? | 05:14 |
| artnay | Tm_T: what colour scheme? | 05:14 |
| artnay | actually I wasn't working with colour theme, just using one :p | 05:15 |
| Tm_T | erh | 05:15 |
| Tm_T | pics! | 05:15 |
| Tm_T | artnay: give me screenshot or something about it :) | 05:16 |
| artnay | well there's that one in forums, but it's months old | 05:16 |
| Tm_T | just throw link to me then | 05:16 |
| artnay | and as that computer's mobo has been dead for the last two months, I haven't done anything with it (was doing moodin KDM theme) | 05:17 |
| artnay | now I'm finally with my P3 500 MHz & 128 MB for the last two days | 05:18 |
| artnay | internet, I so missed you | 05:18 |
| artnay | :P | 05:18 |
| leetcharmer | :D | 05:18 |
| leetcharmer | :/ gotta put my computer back together so I can restore his HDD's data -- bbl :D | 05:18 |
| artnay | finally my friends are driving here to pick me up | 05:20 |
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| klepas | sleep time | 05:31 |
| klepas | cheerio | 05:31 |
| heno | Hello all! | 05:40 |
| heno | Anybody want to help me find some aye-candy for the website? | 05:40 |
| lapo | hi | 05:40 |
| heno | We recently cleaned up this page a bit: http://www.ubuntu.com/community | 05:40 |
| heno | by removing much text and adding some icons | 05:41 |
| heno | we are planning to do the same on other pages too | 05:41 |
| heno | so good ideas for little icons and graphics would be helpful | 05:42 |
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| lapo | heno: canonical? | 06:06 |
| heno | lapo: yes | 06:07 |
| === heno is Henrik Omma | ||
| lapo | cool, may I talk to youabout new dappericons? | 06:07 |
| lapo | I think you guys you should develope new dapper icons following the tango guidelines | 06:08 |
| lapo | there are a lot advantages in it | 06:09 |
| lapo | * better desktop experience trough bette integration (many apps are using a tango style icon upstream) | 06:11 |
| lapo | * less icons to develope (you can change only the revelant icons for branding and inherit the rest) | 06:12 |
| lapo | * tango has already a nice community | 06:12 |
| heno | I don't know the tango specs that well, but it sounds sensible | 06:12 |
| heno | Someone should start a 'transition to Tango' spec for the next conferance | 06:13 |
| lapo | when I saw new dapper icons on ubuntu wiki, I tried to tangoify them a bit just to proove what I'm saying | 06:13 |
| lapo | those icons can be "tangoified" with really few efforts | 06:13 |
| lapo | check it out: | 06:14 |
| lapo | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/dappericons/side-by-side.png | 06:14 |
| lapo | the tango guidelines are well defined and simple, following them crating new icons is not really difficult | 06:15 |
| heno | Cool! You really should post that on the wiki | 06:17 |
| lapo | consider that doing a *complete* icon theme is not really possible | 06:17 |
| lapo | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/dappericons/dappericons-tango-style-blending.png | 06:17 |
| heno | I think your icons ook better in many cases | 06:17 |
| heno | more interesting perspective | 06:17 |
| lapo | I did those icons only to prove what I'm saying I have no time to do a full set | 06:19 |
| lapo | but canonical, could make their artists follow the tango guidelines | 06:19 |
| lapo | or look for someone on the tango-artists ml who could do the icons | 06:22 |
| lapo | I have to go now, if you need help you can find me on irc on #tango, or you can mail me calamandrei at gmail | 06:23 |
| lapo | ciao | 06:23 |
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| andreasn | hello | 07:24 |
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