[12:07] <aquarius> Has the bcm43xx Broadcom driver been removed from Dapper?
[12:08] <Mez> aquarius, did you actually get that working ?
[12:10] <aquarius> I did indeed
[12:10] <aquarius> yeterday
[12:10] <aquarius> and now it's gone!
[12:10] <Mez> lol - yeah it seems to have
[12:10] <Mez> but I never managed to get it working
[12:10] <Mez> and now I have a light on my wirelss thing that I havent seen in ages
[12:10] <aquarius> I could only get it working with static IP, not DHCP, but that's OK
[12:10] <aquarius> Yeah, I have a light too, which has puzzled me a bit because I don't know what's lit it up
[12:11] <aquarius> since I don't have a bcm43xx driver any more :)
[12:11] <Mez> aquarius, nor do i - but i'm listing a wireless device
[12:11] <aquarius> I'm not, now, although I'm just rebooting that machine to see if it stull lights up
[12:11] <aquarius> is lit up from boot! weird
[12:12] <Mez> my wireless is still showing it as not woking
[12:13] <Mez> apparently wep is enabled on my network
[12:13] <Mez> weird
[12:13] <aquarius> arse!
[12:13] <aquarius> no wireless device
[12:13] <aquarius> Now I'll have to use ndiswrapper. That's rubbish :(
[12:13] <Mez> *gets his PSP out to check if it does have wep)
[12:13] <torkel> from the latest kernel (2.6.15-17.24) changelog: * Update bcm43xx from daily git snapshots
[12:14] <Mez> aq: and uses propietary :D
[12:14] <Mez> mez@lethargy % modprobe bcm4xx                                                                         /scratch/katapult/dev/debian 11:12
[12:14] <Mez> FATAL: Module bcm4xx not found.
[12:14] <aquarius> bcm43xx, not bcm4xx
[12:14] <Mez> it's there
[12:14] <aquarius> but bcm43xx isn't found either for me :(
[12:15] <aquarius> I'm bang on up to date with dapper
[12:15] <Mez> hmmles... weirdness
[12:15] <torkel> aquarius: try #ubuntu-kernel or file a bug against the kernel
[12:16] <aquarius> torkel, ah, didn't know there was an #ubuntu-kernel :)
[12:16] <Mez>    * Update bcm43xx from daily git snapshots (wow, I initially typed snapshits,
[12:16] <Mez>      hope that's not an omen).
[12:22] <sobersabre> hi.
[12:22] <sobersabre> is here anybody who interfaced with jetdirect ?
[12:27] <mdz> Mez: ?
[12:27] <Mez> mdz: any news on the backports stuff yet ?
[12:28] <mdz> Mez: yes, it's on the launchpad mailing list
[12:29] <Mez> ah ok :D good to hear :D
[12:29] <Mez> (sorry to disturb you - standard procedure when people moan at me about stuff like this is "I dont know - I'll check the status of it")
[12:37] <Kamion> aquarius: wow, Ben screwed up ;-)
[12:37] <Kamion> I noticed some bcm43xx stuff in the debian/config/ diff but it looked normal enough
[12:37] <aquarius> Kamion, ahaha! Wasn't just me, then. :
[12:38] <Kamion> no, the module's definitely disappeared
[12:38] <Kamion> let me just pull up the diff again quickly
[12:38] <Kamion> insofar as the word "quickly" can be applied to diffing kernel trees
[12:39] <Kamion> +CONFIG_BCM43XX=m
[12:39] <Kamion> +# CONFIG_BCM43XX_DEBUG is not set
[12:39] <Kamion> -CONFIG_NET_BCM43XX=m
[12:39] <Kamion> -# CONFIG_NET_BCM43XX_DEBUG is not set
[12:39] <Kamion> that's the only obvious thing, but surely that wouldn't matter ...
[12:39] <Kamion> (presuming that the config option really was renamed)
[12:40] <aquarius> cor, no idea
[12:41] <Mez> ARGH
[12:42] <Mez> It's very annoying not being able to read email
[12:42] <Mez> write *
[12:43] <Kamion> aquarius: aha:
[12:43] <Kamion> obj-$(CONFIG_NET_BCM43XX)       += bcm43xx/
[12:44] <Kamion> from drivers/net/wireless/Makefile
[12:44] <Kamion> that needs to be CONFIG_BCM43XX now
[12:44] <aquarius> BCM43XX isn't in the kernel.org kernels, is it? Can't confirm there that it was renamed.
[12:44] <aquarius> aha.
[12:44] <Kamion> feel free to pass the above on to #ubuntu-kernel or whatever
[12:44] <aquarius> I don't suppose that there's any way I can fix this that doesn't involve me building my own kernel?
[12:44] <Mez> Kamion, you should fix it ;)
[12:44] <Kamion> no, it's a separate tree that BenC pulls in
[12:44] <Kamion> aquarius: nope
[12:44] <aquarius> pants
[12:44] <Kamion> Mez: better things to do on a Friday night
[12:45] <Mez> Kamion, lol - really? why are we all here chatting on this channel then ? :P
[12:45] <BenC> already fixed in git too :)
[12:45] <aquarius> oh, sorry :)
[12:45] <dAndy> anyone know much about the kickstart support in ubuntu? 
[12:45] <dAndy> it seems to be ignoring the url --url line if I specify ftp rather than http
[12:46] <Kamion> dAndy: that would be me, although I don't see anything wrong with the code
[12:47] <dAndy> Kamion: ok, i just have url --url ftp://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/ubuntu, and after it dhcp's the second time, it pops up a thing asking where the mirror is
[12:47] <Kamion> dAndy: I'm about to go to bed; can you file a bug at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+filebug, and attach (a) your kickstart file (with any passwords stripped or whatever) and (b) /var/log/syslog from the installer (if you complete the installation, it's saved in /var/log/installer/syslog)?
[12:47] <Kamion> I'll have a look at it later
[12:47] <dAndy> alright thanks
[12:47] <Kamion> thanks
[12:48] <Kamion> it could be a choose-mirror bug
[12:48] <dAndy> kamion = colin? (I think i emailed you with kickstart issues before :)
[12:48] <Kamion> oh, heck, ftp support in choose-mirror is disabled
[12:48] <Kamion> dAndy: yes
[12:49] <Kamion> choose-mirror (1.16) unstable; urgency=low
[12:49] <Kamion>   [ Joey Hess ] 
[12:49] <Kamion>   * Split input templates files into separate files for http, ftp, and both,
[12:49] <Kamion>     modify build process so only the relevant templates get included based on
[12:49] <Kamion>     the protocol support that is built in to the binary. Allows saving
[12:49] <Kamion>     hundreds of K by disabling ftp support.
[12:49] <Kamion> hundreds of K is not entirely to be sneezed at
[12:49] <dAndy> ah well that would probably be why it doesnt work, my web server is having issues with ubuntu packages so I figured I would try ftp
[12:50] <dAndy> is that the same reason nfs isnt supported either?
[12:50] <Kamion> no, NFS isn't supported because the code just doesn't exist yet
[12:51] <Kamion> damn, I'll have to make a decision on FTP I guess, or maybe come up with some workaround that isn't so space-expensive
[12:51] <Kamion> could you just file a bug on choose-mirror (rather than kickseed) to remind me
[12:51] <Kamion> ?
[12:51] <dAndy> sure
[12:51] <Kamion> ta
[12:51] <Kamion> one of these days I have been meaning to write an nfs-retriever, but it's not exactly high up the growing to-do list :-/
[12:52] <dAndy> i know the feeling
[12:55] <aquarius> cheers for the help, Kam
[12:55] <aquarius> shall wait until tomorrow for wireless :)
[12:57] <dAndy> btw kamion, amazing progress from breezy to dapper, thanks alot, it has gone from possibly workable for us, to exactly what we need
[12:57] <Kamion> dAndy: oh, good to hear; what improvements were particularly good?
[12:57] <Kamion> oh, on ftp, what I might do is arrange to include ftp support but without any translations of the associated templates
[12:58] <dAndy> well, in breezy it seemed that the post-install was running before the first reboot, before any packages in the % packages section were being installed
[12:58] <Kamion> that should make it work minimally for preseeding without too much in the way of a size hit
[12:58] <dAndy> which cause issues when setting up conf files for packages being installed later
[12:59] <Kamion> dAndy: oh, yeah, that was a big change I spent a lot of time on with other Debian folks
[12:59] <dAndy> also, i could never get it to even properly install the packages in the %packages section
[12:59] <dAndy> I really like the no-mid install reboot now
[12:59] <Kamion> it simplifies a lot of things; I closed a huge pile of my bugs with that
[12:59] <Kamion> although there is some evil black magic in there to make it go
[01:00] <dAndy> sometimes it takes that
[01:00] <Kamion> anyhow, midnight => bedtime, night all
[01:00] <dAndy> night
[01:00] <dAndy> thanks again
[01:01] <Burgwork> dAndy, you work for portland U?
[01:06] <slomo> infinity, lamont: please give-back f-spot on ppc
[01:09] <dAndy> Burgwork: yep
[01:09] <dAndy> well Portland State Univ
[01:10] <Burgwork> dAndy, that is what I meant. What do you guys run?
[01:10] <infinity> slomo: On it.
[01:11] <dAndy> Burgwork: our mirror is linux, we have a lot of solaris servers too, and a windows ad 
[01:11] <slomo> infinity: thanks
[01:11] <Burgwork> dAndy, any particular distro, or do you mix and match?
[01:12] <dAndy> well, we are running centos right now, working on getting ubuntu going in our environment, probably will switch to that over spring break if we are ready
[01:15] <doko> Kamion, mdz: please could you approve and promote glitz to main? not yet reviewed by pitti, needed as a OOo build dependency
[01:18] <Kamion> doko: I already promoted the two relevant binaries; the glitz source was already in main.
[01:19] <Kamion> no further action should be required other than a give-back of any sources that failed to build due to that
[01:20] <doko> Kamion: thanks
[01:24] <Seveas> doko, is that why OOo is not upgradabla atm?
[01:26] <ajmitch> morning
[01:26] <doko> Seveas: no, what's your problem?
[01:26] <Mez> infinity:did you look at that scim package ? and see what was wrong with the control hack
[01:27] <Seveas> doko, https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33533
[01:27] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33533 in openoffice.org2 "Some packages can't be updated with update-system" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[01:27] <infinity> Mez: Nope!  Can you ping me really hard about it on Monday>
[01:27] <infinity> s,>,?,
[01:27] <Mez> infinity, I'll try and remember 
[01:27] <Mez> and ...
[01:27] <Mez> o_O
[01:30] <doko> Seveas: do you have -l10n and -help packages other than en-us installed?
[01:30] <Seveas> yes
[01:30] <Xoritor> anyone here work on gnutls?
[01:31] <Seveas> openoffice.org2-l10n-nl
[01:31] <Mez> who's the thunderbird expert here ?
[01:31] <doko> could you remove them and retry the upgrade?
[01:32] <Seveas> trying
[01:32] <Seveas> nope, still holding back
[01:32] <doko> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:32] <doko>   openoffice.org2 openoffice.org2-evolution openoffice.org2-gnome python-uno
[01:33] <doko> are these marked as "keep"?
[01:33] <Seveas> marked where?
[01:33] <doko> you can mark packages as "keep", so they are not upgraded on a dist-upgrade
[01:34] <Seveas> I did nothing special to them (note: this is a fresh dapper 4 install dist-upgraded today apart from these packages)
[01:34] <Seveas> in the bugreport i added an -o "Debug::PkgProblemResolver=True" output of dist-upgrade
[01:39] <Seveas> doko, ooo2-evolution Depends ooo-evolution wich depends on ooo-core/base - that looks weird to me
[01:41] <doko> Seveas: amd64?
[01:41] <Seveas> no, i386
[01:41] <doko> ooo2-evolution is just a dependency package
[01:41] <Seveas> but it looks ike you switched names again to ooo instead of ooo2 so what I said was probably rubbish
[01:44] <Seveas> hmm - apt-get install openoffice.org2 does want to install things
[01:45] <Seveas> ok, this almost looks like an apt bug
[01:45] <psusi> ?
[01:46] <doko> Seveas: what about apt-get install openoffice.org ?
[01:46] <Seveas> works too
[01:46] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9695
[01:46] <Seveas> (that's for ooo2)
[01:46] <Seveas> practically the same when using ooo instead of ooo2
[01:47] <doko> yes, that looks ok
[01:47] <Seveas> indeed, so why does distupgrade fail?
[01:47] <dAndy> is there a way to specify apt config options in a kickstart?
[01:47] <dAndy> some utterance of preseed maybe?
[01:48] <CarlFK> dAndy: yes
[01:48] <dAndy> CarlFK: do I get a hint? :)
[01:48] <CarlFK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[01:49] <CarlFK> that isn't exaclty what you are asking for, but close enough
[01:50] <CarlFK> any Q's about it should be in #ubuntu... I keep forgetting what channel im in ;)
[01:50] <Seveas> doko, seems somehow apt really wants to keep the l10n-en-us package...
[01:52] <dAndy> CarlFK: I was asking in here, because when I say kickstart in #ubuntu I get no response and blank stares, I have been chatting with kamion in here about ks stuff
[01:52] <dAndy> anyway, that page doesnt seem to have what i want (I didnt see any preseed lines to change apt options)
[01:53] <doko> Seveas: which one, the 2, or the one without the 2
[01:53] <Seveas> the 2
[01:53] <Burgwork> dAndy, you are also a slightly bigger and more savvy "customer" than most
[01:53] <doko> apt-cache rdepends openoffice.org2-l10n-en-us ?
[01:54] <Seveas> ah crap - i'm still reading it wrong
[01:55] <Seveas> it's definitely in the l10n though, at some point it even considers l10n-zu 
[01:56] <doko> Seveas: yes, we need to update the language packs ...
[01:56] <Seveas> but howcome it works with apt-get install then?
[02:00] <Seveas> I really have to go to bed now (2am), if you need to know more just add a comment to the bug or /msg me - I'll keep my system in the 'broken' state for now
[02:10] <wasabi> There a way to get grub to pop up even if default is set and timeout is set to 0?
[02:13] <zul> check your menu.lst
[02:13] <wasabi> can't. ;)
[02:47] <dAndy> boot off a livecd and mount the drive
[02:47] <dAndy> edit away, then reboot
[03:34] <joelbryan> Is there any plan to include Ruby into the main Ubuntu CD?
[04:55] <wasabi_> So I was thinking. Is there a pam module that can process some sort of file at login to add members of one group to another group. Recursive groups, etc. If not, I might make one. ;0
[07:16] <dieman> mjg59: its fun to watch the people on digg say you faked your photo of the intel mac ;)
[07:28] <desrt> i reconk its a fake the i sight looks off center and there is a conveintly place glass of red wine
[07:28] <Burgundavia> desrt: absolutely. In fact, Ubuntu is a giant fake!
[07:29] <desrt> obviously we gimped up all of our screenshots
[07:29] <desrt> and nobody has ever actually installed it to find out if it's true or not
[07:29] <desrt> in fact.. i'm totally not using it right now
[07:29] <Burgundavia> even if they, the installation cd is actually a brainwashing machine to think they are using Ubuntu
[07:35] <Burgundavia> huh? http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=34
[08:05] <Mez> infinity: ping
[08:21] <infinity> Mez: ?
[08:23] <Mez> infinity - I seem to be having problems with thunderbird that are only in the ubuntu version
[08:24] <infinity> Mez: Still having that "unable to reply" thing?
[08:25] <Mez> well
[08:25] <Mez> not now I've did a manual install
[08:25] <Mez> but yeah
[08:25] <Mez> with the ubuntu version
[08:25] <Mez> new profile
[08:25] <Mez> add an account
[08:25] <Mez> not able to write mail
[08:26] <infinity> WHat happens when you try?
[08:27] <Mez> I get a popup saying "An error occured while creating a message compose window. please try again"
[08:27] <infinity> Any output to the terminal when that happens?
[08:29] <Mez> nope
[08:29] <Mez> nor in an strace
[08:29] <infinity> And it doesn't actually crash or anything?
[08:30] <infinity> I might need to ask you for access to your box to debug this at some point, since it's pretty obviously a local thing.. :/
[08:31] <Mez> infinity: er no problem other than being able to set up the firewall
[08:31] <Mez> though I'm currently running the downloadable version of TB and it works
[08:32] <infinity> What architecture do you run on?
[08:34] <Mez> -686
[08:35] <Mez> Linux lethargy 2.6.15-16-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 20 17:26:04 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:35] <God> hey all
[08:37] <infinity> Mez: Kay, exactly the environment I run in (where tbird obviously works fine), so we'll have to dig a bit deeper at another time (like when I'm not relaxing on the weekend)
[08:38] <infinity> Mez: File a bug with any information you CAN gather, please... Package versions, strace when the bad behaviour happens, screenshots of the error, any console output while it's running (any, don't care if it seems relevant), etc.
[08:38] <Mez> infinity
[08:38] <Mez> poke me on monday and remind me ?
[08:38] <zakame> hello all
[08:40] <infinity> Mez: I vaguely recall saying exactly the same thing to you yesterday. :P
[08:40] <infinity> Mez: (though on a different topic)
[08:40] <Mez> ;)
[08:40] <Mez> yeah
[08:40] <floam> mjg59: so I'm reading some random non-tech site and see a post about some random guy being the first to supposedly run linux on an intel mac
[08:40] <floam> turns out it's you
[08:40] <floam> that was sort of weird
[08:40] <infinity> And it's a lie.  He's not the first.
[08:41] <floam> yeah, I sort of figured
[08:41] <infinity> Though possibly the first to boot a full distribution and run it.
[08:41] <infinity> (And we may well be the first to ship with installation and livecd support for them...)
[08:41] <infinity> (Maybe)
[08:42] <floam> that'd be a nice marketing ploy. :)
[08:42] <zakame> whoa
[08:42] <floam> I don't know if there would be that many people actually willing to give up cozy OS X, but it'd be nice to be the first shipping distribution to claim support, if it's not too difficult
[08:43] <infinity> It depends on how many UVF and FeatureFreeze rules we have to break in the process.  If it can be done without destabilising anything (and without eating too much room on the CDs), it may happen, if not, then no installer support until 6.10...
[08:43] <floam> I can see a lot of people wanting to run Linux on their Apple PPC hardware, but who'd really pony up all the cash for an intel mac when they could just get some small form factor PC that'd likely be three times as cheap and work better with Linux?
[08:44] <infinity> floam: People do strange things.
[08:44] <floam> oh, yeah.
[08:44] <floam> I just don't see it being the next big thing
[08:44] <floam> like people were predicting when Linux started running on Xbox's
[08:44] <floam> "Lets buy fifty and CLUSTER THEM!"
[08:47] <floam> so what's 6.10 being called?
[08:56] <Amaranth> I want an intel mini
[08:56] <Amaranth> and i'd run ubuntu on it
[08:56] <zyga> Amaranth: we all do
[09:55] <mackiliaf> hi
[09:56] <mackiliaf> i have installed breezy badger and want to build Xorg R7.0 from source so that I can debug a crash on my VIA ProSavage card 
[09:56] <Mithrandir> infinity: Kamion seemed to want to produce a second cd for the mactel box
[09:56] <mackiliaf> i tried pulling down the modular build manually but that fails to build 
[09:57] <mackiliaf> does ubuntu have something like src.rpm for developers?
[09:58] <mackiliaf> something that could setup the build env for Xorg R7.0 and do the build for me
[09:58] <Mithrandir> you have source packages, yes.
[09:58] <Mithrandir> however, xorg modular is not a single source package
[09:58] <mackiliaf> yup, i noticed that the Xorg build has something like 15 other Xorg packages needed for the build
[09:59] <Mithrandir> correct
[09:59] <Mithrandir> you might be better off upgrading to dapper and just rebuilding the part you need
[09:59] <mackiliaf> that sounds good. i was thinking about that
[09:59] <mackiliaf> i just need to rebuild the savage driver
[10:00] <tepsipakki> infinity: if you look at the patches for elilo and kernel, you realize that it's not going to happen for dapper ;)
[10:00] <tepsipakki> the kernel diff is 2MB
[10:00] <mackiliaf> although it'd be beneficial to build Xorg proper too since I'd need to debug it
[10:00] <Mithrandir> yeah, in which case it'd be something like "upgrade to dapper; apt-get source xorg-driver-savage ; hack ; dpkg-buildpackage ; dpkg -i"
[10:02] <mackiliaf> thanks, will give this a shot
[10:12] <mvo> hi doko
[10:14] <mvo> doko: does the reporter of bug 33533 has both oo1 and oo2 installed?
[10:15] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33533 in openoffice.org2 "Some packages can't be updated with update-system" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33533
[10:21] <mvo> doko: ignore my last question
[10:34] <mvo> doko: all of the OO2 names are replaced with oo.o names?
[10:56] <Seveas> mvo, no I have only oo.o2 installed (fresh flight 4 fully upgraded except for oo.o2)  
[11:11] <mvo> Seveas: thanks, the update-manager tool is not designed to do dist-upgrade stuff
[11:23] <_lemsx1_> hello all, the new fglrx-kernel-source package didn't solve  Bug #32576 and apparently introduced a new one. see comments
[11:23] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32576 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 fglrx-kernel-source "missing separator when using debian/rules" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32576
[11:24] <_lemsx1_> bb
[11:24] <_lemsx1_> bbl
[01:03] <Kamion> fabbione: how come libc6-sparcv9b has /lib/ultra3/ but libc6-sparc64b has /lib64/v9b/ ?
[01:04] <fabbione> hmmm
[01:04] <fabbione> strange
[01:04] <fabbione> i will have to check with jbailey
[01:05] <fabbione> i did trash already the local debs so i have no comparison
[01:06] <fabbione> but afaik jeff did change a few bits from the original patch we have to him
[01:07] <Kamion> fabbione: accepted, so you can have a look once the publisher works again
[01:07] <fabbione> thanks
[01:07] <fabbione> it is not a big drama
[01:08] <fabbione> in the worst case people using libc6-sparcv9b optimization will have a 2% performance hit...
[01:08] <fabbione> and will give them reasons to install gentoo
[01:08] <fabbione> ;)
[01:08] <Kamion> it's in universe anyway at the moment, watch me not care much ;-)
[01:08] <freeflying> Kamion: hi
[01:08] <fabbione> Kamion: yes i know :) we will move them later on back in main
[01:08] <Kamion> freeflying: oh, ok, I'll go look right now
[01:08] <fabbione> Kamion: but thanks for noticing
[01:09] <freeflying> Kamion:  :) thx
[01:11] <Kamion> freeflying: it would have helped if you sent the changelog since the last release we have, rather than the whole thing
[01:11] <Kamion> freeflying: and, as mdz said, included some context
[01:12] <freeflying> Kamion: sorry, I'd send u again 
[01:12] <Kamion> never mind now
[01:15] <Kamion> in future you need to say at minimum what you are requesting, and what version you want to update to (given that the upstream changelog is stunningly unhelpful in this particular respect)
[01:17] <freeflying> Kamion: got it , and the package has been uploaded to REVU 
[01:26] <Kamion> freeflying: why's your .orig.tar.gz different from that produced by upstream?
[01:26] <freeflying> Kamion: I've remove the CVS dir from skim/admin
[01:27] <Kamion> freeflying: please tell your reviewer that I said that that's not a sufficient reason to rebuild an .orig.tar.gz
[01:27] <Kamion> poking upstream to remove those directories is fine, but we should strive to keep pristine .orig.tar.gz files if at all possible
[01:27] <freeflying> Kamion: hmm
[01:27] <freeflying> Kamion: ok
[01:28] <freeflying> Kamion: I'd poke the author 
[01:29] <Kamion> wow, upstream changelog diff is a total mess; 0.5.0 must have been a divergent branch or something
[01:30] <freeflying> hehe
[01:40] <Kamion> freeflying: also, could you please not remove scim-chinese? breezy had scim-chinese so it will still be required for smooth upgrades.
[01:40] <Kamion> (and breezy did not have scim-pinyin)
[01:41] <freeflying> Kamion: sorry, I forget upgrade from breezy 
[01:41] <Kamion> +XIM_ARGS=-d
[01:41] <Kamion> are Unicode quotes (as opposed to "") really allowed there?
[01:43] <freeflying> Kamion: let me check it 
[01:44] <mdke> bug #33533
[01:44] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33533 in openoffice.org2 "Some packages can't be updated with update-system" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33533
[01:45] <freeflying> Kamion: it's error , correct it now 
[01:53] <freeflying> Kamion: then i keep CVS dir in source tarball ?
[01:54] <Kamion> freeflying: for now, that would be my recommendation, yes
[01:54] <Kamion> it's pretty harmless; lintian reports it because it should be fixed eventually, not because it should be fixed *now*
[01:55] <Kamion> indeed, that lintian warning is somewhat controversial
[01:55] <freeflying> Kamion: got it , anyone say about it , i'd tell hime that kamion let me keep them ,  :)
[01:56] <Kamion> fine by me
[02:54] <ploum> Hm, just a question. Why do we not have an IRC client anymore ?
[02:54] <ploum> it seems that xchat-gnome was dropped
[02:56] <Lathiat> Indeed, it is currently being debated that we should ship an irc client at all
[02:56] <Lathiat> that said there is irssi :)
[02:56] <ploum> Lathiat, indeed. I suggest that we also drop firefox in favor of links ;-)
[02:57] <cassidy> and evolution for mutt ;)
[02:57] <mdke> ploum, apt-get install xchat-gnome
[02:57] <ploum> but that's strange to drop it now as irc:// url are finally working
[02:58] <ploum> mdke, I'm talking about the default install
[02:58] <mdke> i quite like the idea of shipping without it myself
[02:58] <mdke> those who want it know how to install it, and its confusing to have two IM clients
[02:58] <cassidy> and we were proud to say in flight announce and UDN than we ship x-g and now we remove it. It's no sense
[02:59] <ploum> mdke, as long as we can call gaim an "IM client". I would prefer the word "thing" ;-)
[03:00] <ploum> gaim, the openoffice of IM client :-D
[03:03] <ploum> that said, it's perhaps understandable to drop the IRC client by default. I don't know, I was just surpized
[03:03] <mdke> it's a bold decision
[03:10] <MagnusR> oobar
[03:11] <MagnusR> oups, sorry wrong window.
[03:44] <zakame> hi all
[04:21] <giftnudel> who can I contact about the bug in the rss2 xml file in planet.ubuntu.org? (or is it known and worked on)
[04:22] <ploum> giftnudel, which bug ?
[04:22] <giftnudel> it's not valid xml
[04:22] <ploum> giftnudel, it's jdub 
[04:22] <ploum> but I suggest that you post here : http://lists.planetplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
[04:24] <giftnudel> funny that no one realised that so far, it doesn't even load in firefox/liferea
[04:25] <ploum> giftnudel, I think it's not related to the planet itself
[04:25] <ploum> but it depends of posts currently on the planet
[04:26] <giftnudel> it's about the hackergotchis isn't it?
[04:26] <giftnudel> yes it is, that's the reason why it complains ...
[04:46] <Lathiat> ploum: :)
[04:53] <Cyorxamp> where does ubuntu associations between mime types and programs?
[05:34] <froud> what package provides glibc-devel, I search for it but can't find it, yet it is a dependancy for the egalax touchkit?
[05:35] <azeem> froud: this is a question for #ubuntu
[05:35] <azeem> packages.ubuntu.com has a search facility, libc6-dev is what you are looking for
[05:35] <froud> azeem: asking there is like speaking to nobody
[05:36] <froud> thx
[05:36] <azeem> froud: that doesn't mean you should escalate to this channel
[05:36] <froud> if no support from #ubuntu what should I do?
[05:36] <azeem> ask again later or tomorrow, ask on the forums or the list
[05:37] <azeem> but not here.  End of discussion, as far as I'm concerned
[05:37] <froud> hmmm, oh dear :-(
[05:43] <shadeofgrey> Hi guys
[05:43] <shadeofgrey> anybody awake here?
[05:44] <xhaker> you need support or something else?
[05:45] <shadeofgrey> no i dont need support
[05:45] <xhaker> just shoot the.. somebody will pick it up
[05:45] <xhaker> s/the/then
[05:46] <shadeofgrey> but i would like some information as to who i need to talk to about accessibility issues with the foillowing programs that ship with ubuntu: openoffice.org, abiword
[05:46] <xhaker> atleast openoffice is packaged by doko
[05:47] <shadeofgrey> see the thing is.... as it turns out my disability itself is getting worse -- and as it turns out i also have glaucoma
[05:47] <shadeofgrey> and i dont have too comparatively long before i go blind
[05:47] <shadeofgrey> and it would REALLY help if both abiword and openoffice.org had an option to make the cursor a full sized block/rectangle
[05:48] <shadeofgrey> so its easier to see/follow
[05:48] <xhaker> true! so, you might want to drop by #ubuntu-accessibility
[05:48] <shadeofgrey> i inquired here about this a few weeks ago, and a few people that were here got all upset and askled me to leave
[05:48] <xhaker> and harass those guys
[05:48] <shadeofgrey> well
[05:49] <shadeofgrey> i try really hard not to harass others
[05:49] <shadeofgrey> and i really appreciate everything you gutys do to make ubuntu available to people like me
[05:49] <xhaker> i was just trowing a joke :P
[05:49] <shadeofgrey> ive said this many times... i try to stop by at least once a month to say thanks for all your hard work, because im sure very few peopple take the time to actual;ly stop by here and say thanks
[05:50] <shadeofgrey> =)
[05:50] <shadeofgrey> im a very thoughtful person when it comes to that sort of thing
[05:51] <shadeofgrey> thanks for everything you do.
[05:51] <shadeofgrey> oh i do have one question
[05:52] <shadeofgrey> i just installed flight3 of dapper on my third harddrive and wrote grub to the master boot record
[05:52] <shadeofgrey> but i just realized that flight4 is out so i grabbed that
[05:52] <shadeofgrey> do i need to fdisk /mbr before i install flight4 or will it ovverrite the old grub by itswelf?
[05:52] <xhaker> it will do it's thing
[05:53] <shadeofgrey> so i dont need to fdisk. thats good.
[05:53] <shadeofgrey> because i cant find my windows boot disk anywhere
[05:54] <xhaker> though, unless something wrong happened during the instalation of flight3 you might be better of just dist-upgrading.. 
[05:54] <shadeofgrey> nah
[05:54] <shadeofgrey> i already made the CD
[05:54] <xhaker> :P
[05:55] <xhaker> i'm saying this but i just reinstalled 2 days ago
[06:10] <Amaranth> you can dist-upgrade from the CD
[06:10] <Amaranth> shadeofgrey: ^^
[07:18] <Huahua> hello, there
[07:19] <Huahua> can I relicense MIT program  under GPL ? 
[07:19] <Huahua> I want the GPL fork of some MIT font
[07:19] <Huahua> is sublicense ==  relicense ?
[07:21] <mjr> it's a different thing
[07:22] <Huahua> thanks , and ?
[07:22] <mjr> and at least you can take a MIT program and make a derivative that's under the GPL
[07:24] <Huahua> I can make a derivative that's under the GPL ?
[07:25] <Huahua> can I ?
[07:26] <JanC> Huahua: if you're not sure, ask a lawyer...
[07:26] <Huahua> hum
[07:26] <Huahua> thanks
[07:26] <JanC> but AFAIK it's nu problem
[07:27] <JanC> no problem
[07:27] <Huahua> en
[07:29] <mjr> Huahua, yes, that's what I said, that you can. But IANAL either, so if you want to be sure...
[07:30] <Huahua> mjr: thank you , I'll ask a lawyer later
[07:51] <Kamion> Huahua: you can distribute MIT-licensed programs under the terms of the GPL, but the programs will still be MIT-licensed
[07:52] <Kamion> you're not allowed to change the licence
[07:52] <Huahua> oh
[07:52] <Kamion> distributing under the terms of the GPL is all you normally need
[07:52] <Kamion> so you'd have your portion of the program, or somebody else's portion or whatever, that's GPLed; and this portion that's MITed
[07:53] <Huahua> hum
[07:53] <Kamion> this is OK as long as the licences are compatible, which the GPL and MIT licences are
[08:14] <Amaranth> Huahua: The running app is GPL, the code is a mix and people can use the MIT bits freely
[08:14] <Amaranth> just in case you run into a problem like gstreamer
[08:14] <Huahua> well
[08:16] <Huahua> thanks a lot of
[09:25] <zyga> hey
[10:31] <robertj> Will Launchpad do openID via MoinMoin at a later date?
[11:41] <Seveas> robertj, ask in #launchpad 
[11:42] <robertj> Seveas, thx