| LaserJock | sorry, I was in a meeting | 12:03 |
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| LaserJock | I think that it would be good to probably split the common stuff into ubuntu and kubuntu | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | I think the doc systems are different enough that it might be a pain to try to make it work for both | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | what do you think> | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | ? | 12:05 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: just mailed the group actually :) | 12:05 |
| robotgeek | list, rather | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | oh, ok great | 12:06 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: i'm okay with separate common documents for ubuntu / kubuntu separately | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | I think the original proposal was just to encourage writers to use common material when possible | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | because before I think it was basically each doc had it's own preface, etc. | 12:08 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: yeah, it makes a lot of sense | 12:08 |
| robotgeek | maybe i should just add to my email | 12:08 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: done: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-March/thread.html | 12:12 |
| mdke | robotgeek, we (ubuntu) are using the preface already, the desktop guide doesn't have a different one anymore | 12:12 |
| mdke | we decided via the mailing list a couple of weeks back | 12:13 |
| robotgeek | mdke: oh okay, sorry | 12:13 |
| mdke | you can go ahead and use it too if it is appropriate | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | mdke: i think that the problem is that Kubuntu uses a different system | 12:14 |
| robotgeek | mdke: i'll strip out the headers and use it, no problem | 12:15 |
| mdke | which headers? | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | Riddell took out the xincludes | 12:15 |
| mdke | either the content is appropriate or not, i think | 12:15 |
| mdke | LaserJock, there are no xincludes in the common preface file | 12:15 |
| mdke | iirc | 12:16 |
| robotgeek | mdke: no, there is one | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | mdke: you right | 12:16 |
| mdke | oh but that doesn't matter | 12:16 |
| robotgeek | okay, basically the entities also | 12:16 |
| mdke | that's just the xinclude module | 12:16 |
| mdke | does that cause problems? | 12:17 |
| robotgeek | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9692 | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: why are they removed? | 12:17 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: i am not sure, but Ridell said something about meinproc not being able to handle them | 12:18 |
| mdke | because the stupid kde tools don't read them | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | ok, so what about the generic docs? | 12:18 |
| robotgeek | it works fine without the entities and stuff | 12:18 |
| robotgeek | brb | 12:18 |
| mdke | LaserJock, yeah | 12:19 |
| mdke | robotgeek, what produces those errors? | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | meinproc? | 12:21 |
| mdke | it looks like its caused by bad addresses | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | looking at the -doc email | 12:22 |
| mdke | i'm thinking the validate script | 12:22 |
| mdke | hmm | 12:24 |
| robotgeek | yeah, the validate script | 12:26 |
| mdke | i might take a look tomorrow | 12:27 |
| mdke | i wonder how riddell builds the serverguide using meinproc | 12:27 |
| mdke | i don't understand the insistence on meinproc myself :/ | 12:28 |
| robotgeek | mdke: it think it's cause all kde-docs use it? | 12:28 |
| mdke | there are real reasons too | 12:29 |
| mdke | but I don't think they are that important | 12:29 |
| mdke | but then again, I don't use kde so I don't know much about how the help system works | 12:30 |
| robotgeek | mdke: it's very nice, imho | 12:30 |
| robotgeek | yelp is awesome too. | 12:30 |
| robotgeek | readind xml files directly is very nice | 12:30 |
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| mdke | well I need to look at the difference between the html that xsltproc produces and the html that meinproc produces, but I don't _think_ there can be a significant difference | 12:32 |
| robotgeek | true | 12:32 |
| mdke | -> bed | 12:33 |
| robotgeek | later mdke | 12:34 |
| mdke | if you wrinkle out those validation errors, go ahead and commit | 12:34 |
| robotgeek | i'll not touch it for now then | 12:34 |
| robotgeek | mdke: it validates when i remove the stuff before it | 12:34 |
| mdke | sure, the problem must be with the addresses of those entities | 12:34 |
| mdke | we'll figure it out | 12:34 |
| mdke | night | 12:34 |
| robotgeek | maybe a simple solution is to put that in ../../libs just like the fdl.xml | 12:35 |
| robotgeek | anyways, it can wait, no need to hurry | 12:35 |
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| Madpilot | hi robotgeek | 09:09 |
| robotgeek | hey Madpilot | 09:09 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: howz it goin? | 09:10 |
| Madpilot | OK - lots of stupid scriptmorons on #ubuntu, though - you've heard about the IRC exploits? | 09:10 |
| robotgeek | yeah, the netgear / linksys thing? | 09:11 |
| robotgeek | it's a good thing i'm using irssi over ssh, i do have a netgear router | 09:11 |
| Madpilot | the d c c crap | 09:11 |
| robotgeek | yeah, i read about it in lilo's blog | 09:12 |
| Madpilot | he's going nuts kline'ing people who use it | 09:12 |
| robotgeek | heh | 09:12 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: can you try it for me in /msg :) | 09:13 |
| Madpilot | I don't actually have the last episode in #ubuntu on backscroll anymore | 09:13 |
| Madpilot | so you're safe :P | 09:13 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: hmm, okay :) | 09:14 |
| robotgeek | my router wouldn't recognize the evil words anyways | 09:14 |
| Madpilot | because you're tunneling SSH, not using IRC directly? | 09:15 |
| robotgeek | yeah | 09:15 |
| Madpilot | useful | 09:15 |
| robotgeek | shell does have it's advantages | 09:15 |
| Madpilot | hey, I finally got Xchat configured the way I want it - it only took about four evenings of occasional fiddling :P | 09:16 |
| robotgeek | nice, it took me way longer with irssi | 09:17 |
| Madpilot | mostly re-arranging the rightclick menu to get the op tools & such into a useful order | 09:17 |
| robotgeek | i just had to get my aliases in order, /kk /kkk /kkkk in order of severity :) | 09:18 |
| Madpilot | I've got whois, devoice & kickban at the top, then the usual XChat menus below - stuff like D.C.C & CTCP that I never use I shoved to the bottom | 09:21 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: what does devoice do? mute a person? | 09:25 |
| Madpilot | yes, it's mode +q | 09:26 |
| Madpilot | nice for giant floods, gentler than just kicking the poor noob :P | 09:26 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i am not sure if irssi's /devoice mode is the same, it sets +v | 09:30 |
| Madpilot | I don't honestly know enough about IRC commands to know what, if any, difference there is... | 09:32 |
| crimsun | you probably meant -v | 09:32 |
| robotgeek | yeah, -v | 09:32 |
| crimsun | +q is muzzling, which is the same effect as -v regardless whether the channel is moderated (+m) | 09:33 |
| crimsun | on an unmoderated channel (-m), -v has no noticeable effect | 09:33 |
| crimsun | another way to think of it is whitelisting (+q) vs. blacklisting (+m and -v) | 09:34 |
| robotgeek | so, it would be useless on say #(k)ubuntu | 09:34 |
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| crimsun | -v would be be pointless on {k}ubuntu, yes | 09:35 |
| crimsun | (I don't foresee either channel going +m by default, that is) | 09:35 |
| robotgeek | yeah, we went +m in #ubuntu-motu-school , once | 09:36 |
| crimsun | yep | 09:36 |
| Madpilot | so that people had to put their hand up to speak? :P | 09:36 |
| crimsun | yeah, there were conduits (sh and siretart iirc) | 09:36 |
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| mdke | i've had enough of not understanding this meinproc crap | 11:29 |
| jpatrick | meinproc keeps displaying errors here | 11:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | meinproc? | 11:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | sounds like a rammstein song <grin> | 11:30 |
| jpatrick | KDE Translator for XML | 11:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | neat. | 11:31 |
| mdke | it builds html from xml | 11:31 |
| mdke | but it doesn't support xincludes, one of our heavily used features, which is a major issue | 11:32 |
| mdke | I'm going to see if I can make riddell happy by building the exact same html using xsltproc instead of meinproc | 11:32 |
| mdke | oh great. kubuntu-desktop is uninstallable | 11:32 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i think I'm a bit out of my depth, but i get the idea i think | 11:32 |
| jpatrick | mdke: you mean that nice brown ubuntu theme but blue? | 11:33 |
| jpatrick | what's wrong with it? | 11:33 |
| mdke | jpatrick, the kubuntu-desktop package is uninstallable | 11:33 |
| jpatrick | but why? | 11:33 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | is there a brown theme for Kubuntu? | 11:34 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mdke: your running dapper? are you getting PNP errrors on boot? | 11:48 |
| mdke | Kamping_Kaiser, yes, it's in the bug tracker. | 11:49 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ok. | 11:49 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. I'm getting your KDE thing as well, i think it's https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33533 | 11:53 |
| jpatrick | openoffice update issue | 11:57 |
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| mdke | hmm it's not bad this kubuntu lark | 02:46 |
| jpat|away | lark... | 02:52 |
| mdke | so irritating the popups which come up over the panel though | 02:53 |
| jpat|away | never seen those | 02:54 |
| mdke | hover your mouse over a panel application applet, or window | 02:55 |
| mdke | this crazy popup slides up | 02:55 |
| jpat|away | oh those! | 02:55 |
| mdke | they block the window I'm looking at >_< | 02:56 |
| jpat|away | configure panel -> appearance -> show tooltips | 02:57 |
| mdke | ok I reckon we can do this without meinproc | 02:57 |
| mdke | thanks | 02:57 |
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| carthik | Is the meeting over? | 08:31 |
| carthik | I suppose it is :) | 08:31 |
| robotgeek | carthik: hey | 08:36 |
| robotgeek | carthik: you are about 24 hours late :P | 08:36 |
| carthik | hey robotgeek - wondering if, for the cleanup, there is some way to delete/rename pages, or if I can be of help | 08:36 |
| carthik | robotgeek, the channel message made me think it was prolly a typo in the date | 08:37 |
| robotgeek | carthik: yeah, to delete you click actions and delete | 08:37 |
| robotgeek | carthik: however, google the page first to see if any external site links to the article | 08:37 |
| carthik | robotgeek, alright. how about renaming/redirecting mediawiki style? | 08:38 |
| robotgeek | carthik: you just say #redirect target | 08:39 |
| robotgeek | carthik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions?highlight=%28redirect%29 | 08:39 |
| carthik | robotgeek, thank you. maybe i can move in some more of the stuff from that blog i have | 08:40 |
| carthik | or cleanup the pages requiring cleanup | 08:40 |
| robotgeek | carthik: for example take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocbookVim?action=show | 08:40 |
| carthik | cool, robotgeek | 08:42 |
| robotgeek | i gotta run, later | 08:42 |
| carthik | thanks, robotgeek , later. | 08:42 |
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