[12:03] sorry, I was in a meeting [12:04] I think that it would be good to probably split the common stuff into ubuntu and kubuntu [12:04] I think the doc systems are different enough that it might be a pain to try to make it work for both [12:05] what do you think> [12:05] ? [12:05] LaserJock: just mailed the group actually :) [12:05] list, rather [12:06] oh, ok great [12:07] LaserJock: i'm okay with separate common documents for ubuntu / kubuntu separately [12:08] I think the original proposal was just to encourage writers to use common material when possible [12:08] because before I think it was basically each doc had it's own preface, etc. [12:08] LaserJock: yeah, it makes a lot of sense [12:08] maybe i should just add to my email [12:12] LaserJock: done: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-March/thread.html [12:12] robotgeek, we (ubuntu) are using the preface already, the desktop guide doesn't have a different one anymore [12:13] we decided via the mailing list a couple of weeks back [12:13] mdke: oh okay, sorry [12:14] you can go ahead and use it too if it is appropriate [12:14] mdke: i think that the problem is that Kubuntu uses a different system [12:15] mdke: i'll strip out the headers and use it, no problem [12:15] which headers? [12:15] Riddell took out the xincludes [12:15] either the content is appropriate or not, i think [12:15] LaserJock, there are no xincludes in the common preface file [12:16] iirc [12:16] mdke: no, there is one [12:16] mdke: you right [12:16] oh but that doesn't matter [12:16] okay, basically the entities also [12:16] that's just the xinclude module [12:17] does that cause problems? [12:17] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9692 [12:17] robotgeek: why are they removed? [12:18] LaserJock: i am not sure, but Ridell said something about meinproc not being able to handle them [12:18] because the stupid kde tools don't read them [12:18] ok, so what about the generic docs? [12:18] it works fine without the entities and stuff [12:18] brb [12:19] LaserJock, yeah [12:21] robotgeek, what produces those errors? [12:21] meinproc? [12:22] it looks like its caused by bad addresses [12:22] looking at the -doc email [12:22] i'm thinking the validate script [12:24] hmm [12:26] yeah, the validate script [12:27] i might take a look tomorrow [12:27] i wonder how riddell builds the serverguide using meinproc [12:28] i don't understand the insistence on meinproc myself :/ [12:28] mdke: it think it's cause all kde-docs use it? [12:29] there are real reasons too [12:29] but I don't think they are that important [12:30] but then again, I don't use kde so I don't know much about how the help system works [12:30] mdke: it's very nice, imho [12:30] yelp is awesome too. [12:30] readind xml files directly is very nice === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:32] well I need to look at the difference between the html that xsltproc produces and the html that meinproc produces, but I don't _think_ there can be a significant difference [12:32] true [12:33] -> bed [12:34] later mdke [12:34] if you wrinkle out those validation errors, go ahead and commit [12:34] i'll not touch it for now then [12:34] mdke: it validates when i remove the stuff before it [12:34] sure, the problem must be with the addresses of those entities [12:34] we'll figure it out [12:34] night [12:35] maybe a simple solution is to put that in ../../libs just like the fdl.xml [12:35] anyways, it can wait, no need to hurry === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-153-36.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-154-126.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-146-199.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp199-93.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bustacap [n=bustacap@ubuntu/member/bustacap] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-131-29.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bustacap [n=bustacap@ubuntu/member/bustacap] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-142-87.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-155-34.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:09] hi robotgeek [09:09] hey Madpilot [09:10] Madpilot: howz it goin? [09:10] OK - lots of stupid scriptmorons on #ubuntu, though - you've heard about the IRC exploits? [09:11] yeah, the netgear / linksys thing? [09:11] it's a good thing i'm using irssi over ssh, i do have a netgear router [09:11] the d c c crap [09:12] yeah, i read about it in lilo's blog [09:12] he's going nuts kline'ing people who use it [09:12] heh [09:13] Madpilot: can you try it for me in /msg :) [09:13] I don't actually have the last episode in #ubuntu on backscroll anymore [09:13] so you're safe :P [09:14] Madpilot: hmm, okay :) [09:14] my router wouldn't recognize the evil words anyways [09:15] because you're tunneling SSH, not using IRC directly? [09:15] yeah [09:15] useful [09:15] shell does have it's advantages [09:16] hey, I finally got Xchat configured the way I want it - it only took about four evenings of occasional fiddling :P [09:17] nice, it took me way longer with irssi [09:17] mostly re-arranging the rightclick menu to get the op tools & such into a useful order [09:18] i just had to get my aliases in order, /kk /kkk /kkkk in order of severity :) [09:21] I've got whois, devoice & kickban at the top, then the usual XChat menus below - stuff like D.C.C & CTCP that I never use I shoved to the bottom [09:25] Madpilot: what does devoice do? mute a person? [09:26] yes, it's mode +q [09:26] nice for giant floods, gentler than just kicking the poor noob :P [09:30] Madpilot: i am not sure if irssi's /devoice mode is the same, it sets +v [09:32] I don't honestly know enough about IRC commands to know what, if any, difference there is... [09:32] you probably meant -v [09:32] yeah, -v [09:33] +q is muzzling, which is the same effect as -v regardless whether the channel is moderated (+m) [09:33] on an unmoderated channel (-m), -v has no noticeable effect [09:34] another way to think of it is whitelisting (+q) vs. blacklisting (+m and -v) [09:34] so, it would be useless on say #(k)ubuntu === robotgeek goes to modify the irssi command [09:35] -v would be be pointless on {k}ubuntu, yes [09:35] (I don't foresee either channel going +m by default, that is) [09:36] yeah, we went +m in #ubuntu-motu-school , once [09:36] yep [09:36] so that people had to put their hand up to speak? :P [09:36] yeah, there were conduits (sh and siretart iirc) === gusaweb [n=gusaweb@lns-bzn-37-82-253-57-100.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-236.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke cracks and installs kubuntu [11:29] i've had enough of not understanding this meinproc crap [11:30] meinproc keeps displaying errors here [11:30] meinproc? [11:30] sounds like a rammstein song [11:31] KDE Translator for XML [11:31] neat. [11:31] it builds html from xml [11:32] but it doesn't support xincludes, one of our heavily used features, which is a major issue [11:32] I'm going to see if I can make riddell happy by building the exact same html using xsltproc instead of meinproc [11:32] oh great. kubuntu-desktop is uninstallable [11:32] i think I'm a bit out of my depth, but i get the idea i think [11:33] mdke: you mean that nice brown ubuntu theme but blue? [11:33] what's wrong with it? [11:33] jpatrick, the kubuntu-desktop package is uninstallable [11:33] but why? === mdke switches to #kubuntu === jpatrick follows [11:34] is there a brown theme for Kubuntu? [11:48] mdke: your running dapper? are you getting PNP errrors on boot? [11:49] Kamping_Kaiser, yes, it's in the bug tracker. [11:49] ok. [11:53] hm. I'm getting your KDE thing as well, i think it's https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/33533 [11:57] openoffice update issue === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-246.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.21.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.187] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:46] hmm it's not bad this kubuntu lark [02:52] lark... [02:53] so irritating the popups which come up over the panel though [02:54] never seen those [02:55] hover your mouse over a panel application applet, or window [02:55] this crazy popup slides up [02:55] oh those! [02:56] they block the window I'm looking at >_< [02:57] configure panel -> appearance -> show tooltips [02:57] ok I reckon we can do this without meinproc [02:57] thanks === gusaweb_ [n=gusaweb@lns-bzn-39-82-255-23-7.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === carthik [n=carthik@user-0cej755.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:31] Is the meeting over? [08:31] I suppose it is :) [08:36] carthik: hey [08:36] carthik: you are about 24 hours late :P [08:36] hey robotgeek - wondering if, for the cleanup, there is some way to delete/rename pages, or if I can be of help [08:37] robotgeek, the channel message made me think it was prolly a typo in the date [08:37] carthik: yeah, to delete you click actions and delete [08:37] carthik: however, google the page first to see if any external site links to the article [08:38] robotgeek, alright. how about renaming/redirecting mediawiki style? [08:39] carthik: you just say #redirect target [08:39] carthik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions?highlight=%28redirect%29 [08:40] robotgeek, thank you. maybe i can move in some more of the stuff from that blog i have [08:40] or cleanup the pages requiring cleanup [08:40] carthik: for example take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocbookVim?action=show [08:42] cool, robotgeek [08:42] i gotta run, later [08:42] thanks, robotgeek , later. === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.21.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@195.22.207.161] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@194.125.21.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.21.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc