[12:06] thierry: I don't believe that terminal apps go in the menu. I think that is the point of having them be terminal [12:07] it is really up to you whether you want to work on a .desktop that won't go in the menu [12:17] LaserJock : k but why do they have .menu files for debian?? [12:18] because that is a tragedy [12:18] wouldn't a terminal app register the mime types it handles via a .desktop file? [12:19] that is why I think it is worthwhile to make .desktop files [12:19] raphink: i upload atm my first package to revu.. [12:19] ;-) [12:21] my thought at this point (mostly because I haven't researched it much) is that if everything has a .desktop file then all the info is there. What we want to do with it is another story [12:21] We don't even have most of the Categories in the gnome menu [12:27] I think .desktop files work should be prioritized based on GUI apps and then apps that register a mime type [12:29] Hey guys === iceman_ [n=iceman@54-226.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457afde7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman_ [n=iceman@54-226.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] man it's quiet in here [02:06] LaserJock: very! [02:07] must be the Germans are asleep ;-) [02:07] hehe === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] no [02:20] here i am.. ;-) [02:20] wie geht es euch? [02:20] :) [02:21] netzmeister: gut, gut [02:22] hub: Do you speak german? [02:22] netzmeister: ein Bisschen [02:23] what's your native language? [02:24] french [02:24] okay.. [02:25] i took german for 8 years in high school === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] 8 Years.. thats long [02:26] hello MOTUs [02:26] i took french for 1 years.. :) [02:27] hello zakame [02:27] s/years/year [02:29] hmm, I haven't taken any languages. Stupid US school system ;-) [02:31] I'd like to learn French and German but I don't seem to have much time. I tried hanging out in #ubuntu-fr once though [02:32] LaserJock: come to Quebec :-) [02:32] heya netzmeister! :D [02:32] LaserJock: er not even en_US? :P [02:32] heh this is a screenshot for malone bug 32912 ^_^ [02:32] malone bug 32912 in xchat-gnome "underscores replaced with spaces in chat windows" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32912 [02:33] i've seen screenshots in some of the bugs for kdelibs, too [02:33] but that one seems a bit odd [02:33] LaserJock: I talk to you in english and you answer in german [02:33] zakame: I don't feel very fluent in en_US some days either :-) [02:34] LaserJock: thanks for that en_US bit, I'm taking a shot of my current xchat-gnome window ;) [02:34] ich nicht sprecke deutsch [02:35] netzmeister: sicher [02:38] LaserJock: Do you speak a little bit german? [02:38] netzmeister: no, I speak babelfish.altavista.com [02:38] hrhr, why not.. [02:39] for some words i ask the google translator.. [02:39] Are bubblefish better? [02:39] I think they are basically the same [02:39] k [02:40] ah btw. when my sentences are very wrong, plz tell me.. [02:41] i think it's really funny when you read my lines.. [02:41] atm i translate word for word.. [02:41] :( [02:41] it looks pretty good to me === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] LaserJock: Really? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] what is more correct "are bubblefish better?" or "is bubblefish better?" [02:46] i think "is..." [02:46] netzmeister: actually it is "is babblefish better?" but yeah is is better [02:48] :) [02:48] k [02:48] hey, i've uploaded today my first package to revu :) [02:49] cool === netzmeister is a little bit happy.. [02:50] what is the package? === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-105-210.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] it is a nice crossplattform IDE written in C/C++.. [02:51] www.codeblocks.org [02:54] netzmeister: looks like a MS Visual C++ clone [02:55] you mean it looks nice? :) [02:55] netzmeister: sehr gut ;-) [02:55] LaserJock: Thank you => Danke sehr. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] i will ask the Core-Developer of the "Codeblocks IDE" if i should build every Release a package for universe.. [02:56] and when i have time i build every week a package from the svn sources [02:56] "...i will build..." [02:57] netzmeister: how does functionality compare with visual C++? [02:59] > Imports MSVC projects and workspaces [02:59] nice [03:00] > Code completion etc.. [03:00] ( http://www.codeblocks.org/img/screenshots/scr1.png ) [03:00] nice nicer codeblocks.. LOL === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5486D8E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F9F69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] re [03:05] netzmeister: als Sie hochluden? I'm not sure what I'm saying ;-) === ajmitch needs some food [03:06] you say: "as you upload?" [03:06] no moment.. [03:06] netzmeister: I was trying to say "when did you upload?" [03:07] "hochluden" thats past.. [03:07] :) [03:07] i uploaded 00:19 [03:08] three hours ago [03:10] Ich sehe es nicht [03:11] hmm.. [03:11] should i try it again? [03:11] i try.. [03:12] look [03:12] Uploading via ftp codeblocks_1.0-2094_i386.deb: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of codeblocks_1.0-2094_i386.deb [03:13] and bevor.. [03:13] "before" [03:13] netzmeister: you don't upload the .deb [03:13] netzmeister: you upload the source package [03:13] argh.. [03:13] use the .changes file [03:13] yes i do [03:13] when you do "dput" [03:13] netzmeister@workstation:~/ubuntu_maintainer/codeblocks/packages/svn_2094$ dput codeblocks_1.0-2094_i386.changes [03:13] Upload package to host revu [03:13] Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de [03:13] no, the source.changes file [03:14] ahhh [03:15] no it was the right file.. [03:15] the deb.change [03:15] can you delete the file on the ftp? [03:15] I don't think so [03:16] hmm mom [03:16] moment [03:16] did you upload with the _source.changes file? === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] no === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] netzmeister: you'll need to upload the source package to REVU [03:24] netzmeister, you need something deleting from revu ? [03:25] Mez: i think so.. [03:25] dcut rm codeblocks......* [03:25] but i have an error [03:25] signfile /tmp/dcut.P_PfR1/dcut.netzmeister__netzmeister_localhost_localdomain_.1141439095.6630.commands netzmeister [03:25] netzmeister, sorted [03:26] it's deleted from incoming [03:26] try a new proper uploaad [03:26] oh thx [03:26] is dcut a alternative? [03:26] dcut doesnt work with it ... [03:27] ah okay.. [03:27] upload is running [03:27] it's not a proper thing [03:27] netzmeister, why are you uploading a .deb? [03:27] netzmeister, from your base dir [03:27] do a [03:27] debuild -S -sa [03:27] then cd .. [03:27] dput revu *_source.changes [03:28] dont upload a deb file [03:28] okay i cancel.. [03:28] plz delete the file.. === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] netzmeister, already done [03:29] build progress is running.. [03:29] (8mins) [03:29] you did a debuild -S -sa ? [03:30] hehe its finished.. [03:30] :) [03:30] now dput the resulting _source.changes [03:30] netzmeister, is your GPG key in revu? [03:30] yes [03:31] good to hear [03:31] upload is running [03:31] is looks better.. [03:31] it [03:31] netzmeister: is this something new you've packaged? [03:32] netzmeister, er [03:32] i think so [03:32] Mez: what? [03:32] netzmeister, well if it is I can see right now that I wouldnt advocate it [03:33] Mez: I was going to be a little gentler than that [03:33] ajmitch, lol - no - it's a native package it seems [03:33] mez@tiber:/home/ftp/incoming$ ls [03:33] codeblocks_1.0-2094.dsc codeblocks_1.0-2094.tar.gz [03:34] yes, which is why I asked about it [03:34] I was looking there [03:34] ah lol === ajmitch wonders what is funny about that [03:35] must just be me [03:36] probably [03:36] ajmitch, did you delete it ? [03:36] nvm [03:36] no [03:36] why would I delete something that someone just uploaded, for no reason? [03:36] I was in the wrong dir :D [03:36] lol [03:37] and couldnt see it or in revu [03:37] ajmitch: BECAUSE YOU HATE EVERYONE [03:37] AND FREEDOM! [03:37] and you like the big red button... === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] Lathiat: that is true [03:38] Mez: Did i make a mistake? [03:38] netzmeister, it's a debian native package - which is bad === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] also versioning is wrong [03:39] uhh okay.. [03:39] how can i fix that? [03:39] versioning scheme? [03:39] edit the changelog === TerminX [n=terminx@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] k [03:40] netzmeister, have you read the debian new maintainers guide? [03:40] Not completely [03:41] It's a good place to start for a new packager [03:42] hm [03:42] what is a debian native package? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] netzmeister, have a read of this [03:43] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2001/01/msg00201.html [03:43] it gives a good bit of info as to what it is [03:44] sorry [03:45] http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html [03:45] not the aboved [03:45] http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html#packaging [03:45] grr [03:45] what si wrong with me today [03:46] look for "What is the difference between a native Debian package and a non-native package?" [03:47] netzmeister: you should not build-depend on a library package, but the development headers instead [03:47] ajmitch: you mean the libwxgtk...? [03:48] yes [03:48] k changed [03:48] version is also changed [03:49] hmm should i delete the .svn dirs? === godiane [n=godiane@58.69.64.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] Mez: Do you delete the files again? [03:56] netzmeister, no ... [03:56] they're in REVU [03:56] ajmitch, did you nuke? [03:56] hm and how du i update? [03:58] netzmeister: hallo [03:59] netzmeister: Ich sehe Ihre Antriebskraft [03:59] LaserJock: Thats funny.. LOOL === Mez doesnt get it [04:00] LaserJock: i try to translate it: "i see your Driving power" [04:00] kinda scary that netzmeister is @source-code.de and \sh is sourcecode.de [04:00] hrhr i see it yesterday === Mez thinks \sh has a stalker [04:01] ? [04:01] probably [04:02] do you visit www.source-code.de? [04:02] there is more as on sourcecode.de [04:03] hmm [04:03] netzmeister: well, I tried to say "I saw your upload" [04:03] the logo sorta looks like my old logo [04:03] LaserJock: ah okay. [04:04] Mez: When i have a update what should i do? the same again... ( dput revu *_source.changes ) [04:05] yeah [04:05] though you may need to remove *.upload first [04:05] okay.. i have fixed the version and the debian native error.. [04:05] do a debuild -S -sa again [04:05] yes done [04:05] and then remove the .upload file [04:06] okay [04:06] and dput revu *_source.changes again [04:07] upload is running.. [04:07] uhh four o'clock [04:07] hmm i'm a little bit tired.. [04:09] LaserJock: What time is it? [04:10] 7:14 pm here [04:10] ?? [04:10] evening? [04:10] yep [04:11] no really... LOOL 4:10 am [04:11] loool [04:11] i know why i am tired [04:11] hrhr [04:11] date: unrecognized option `--utv' [04:11] Try `date --help' for more information. [04:11] Sat Mar 4 03:11:32 UTC 2006 [04:11] lol [04:11] LaserJock: Where are you come from? [04:11] US or Australia? [04:11] Nevada, US [04:12] k [04:12] Mez you are England? [04:12] netzmeister: why would you think australia? :) === bmontgom_ [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] netzmeister, yes [04:14] k [04:15] ajmitch: i dont know.. im not sure with continent is +hours or -hours [04:15] :) [04:15] Mez: Upload finished [04:15] netzmeister: aha :) [04:16] netzmeister: +6 is america east coast [04:16] anyone know anything about the meta-ul packages? Is it a bad thing if I change the packages it installs to packages that exist in ubuntu? [04:16] netzmeister: I'm (currently) in australia [04:16] netzmeister: I meant -6 [04:16] ajmitch: I thought you were .nw? [04:16] hub: probably more like -5 [04:16] ajmitch: I thought you were .nz? [04:16] LaserJock: compared to .de [04:16] oh [04:16] LaserJock: -6 compared to .de [04:16] LaserJock: that is his reference [04:17] LaserJock: you are -2 from me [04:17] hub: that's why I said (currently) [04:17] ajmitch: yeah I got that [04:17] hub you are from france.. [04:17] just here doing a job [04:17] where exactly? [04:18] netzmeister: I'm in Canada [04:18] ups [04:18] netzmeister: I'm French however :-) [04:18] ah okay.. [04:18] I'm in Germany hehe [04:18] Blackforrest.. === ajmitch really shouldn't be using the university proxy, it's so very slow === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-105-210.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] netzmeister: near France? :-) [04:22] yes [04:22] 2 Miles from France [04:25] how can i change my password in revu? [04:25] login pw? [04:26] I don't think REVU lets you change your pw [04:26] k [04:26] so i'm out.. my eyes burning.. [04:26] cu later.. [04:26] bye bye === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] anybody know how to mark a bug as duplicate in Debian's BTS? I accidentally sent the same email twice :( [04:44] merge the bugs [04:44] crap === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] nautilus died & took out my copy operation === ajmitch uses rsync instead [04:47] my desktop is getting very cluttered with downloaded files now [04:47] hi hobbsee [04:47] hey ajmitch [04:47] ajmitch: can you merge from reportbug? [04:48] LaserJock: no, do you need to? [04:48] there's a tool used bts for developers to use [04:51] reportbug is the only thing I know, I'll check around [04:51] as I said, use bts :) [04:51] I really mean 'tool called bts' [04:51] not 'tool used bts' [04:51] good night everyone === ajmitch blames the australian water [04:53] ajmitch: oh, ok ;-) [04:55] LaserJock: either that or I blame the australians :) === Hobbsee blames ajmitch for all the problems [04:56] hehe === Hobbsee also blames ajmitch for the exploit [04:56] Hobbsee: why pick on me, and not one of the 500K other kiwis here? ;) [04:56] ajmitch: because you're here and talking, and therefore looking suss. [04:56] wasn't me [04:56] :P sure [04:56] just because I did the networking & security course at uni last year.. [04:57] we chased him away [04:58] hopefully the electronics lecturer will let me catch up on assignments when I get back next week [04:58] Hobbsee: are you in the final year of your degree there? [04:59] ajmitch: first year :) [04:59] i wrote some stuff in c++ yesterday :D [05:00] ah ok [05:01] my condolences [05:01] not only do you have to do C++, you also have long years of study ahead :) === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-80-95-221.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] anyone remember how to get emacs to insert a literal hard tab, rather than auto indent the line? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-36.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kelmo_lap [n=kel@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@unaffiliated/gnulinuxer] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:14] argghh, I really have problems with the Debian BTS :( [08:18] as much as I find LP to have a difficult UI it is much easier for me than than Debian === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:27] LaserJock: what was your problem? === minghua will take Debian BTS over launchpad (at its current status) any day :-P [08:28] yeh debians BTS sucks [08:28] unless you get all the emails [08:28] from the start [08:28] its a PITA to import them etc [08:28] and try remember all the commands [08:29] you can always use reportbug [08:30] I accidently made duplicate bugs, and then I tried to merge them. Don't know if that worked. And then it put in a bunch of stuff that isn't necessarily right [08:30] reporting a bug is fine [08:32] Lathiat: what problem do you have with the "View this report as an mbox folder" link at the top of each bug report? [08:32] I often report a bug on a different machine than the bug is on, since I don't use my Ubuntu machine for email [08:33] it makes it difficult to use an entirely email based system [08:34] LaserJock: yeah, I suppose that's inconvenient. but "reportbug -o output-file" helps [08:34] minghua: yeah, that is how I got duplicate bugs [08:34] huh? LaserJock, why? === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] hi MOTUs [08:39] minghua: cause I tried sending it with reportbug but it didn't seem to work and then I tried sending it with my regular email so then a couple hours later I had 2 bugs :-) [08:41] so then I tried to use bts to merge them, who know's if that worked [08:41] and it automatically put all the Dapper package info in even though I'm trying to report it for Debian [08:41] LaserJock: hey, you should use "reportbug -o" in the first place :-P [08:42] well, I guess so but I didn't know that [08:42] and merging bugs should be just a two-line email to control@bugs.debian.org [08:42] what do I do with it after, can I just cut-n-paste it into an email [08:43] LaserJock: yes === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] LaserJock: with mutt I suppose "mutt -i file" is easier [08:44] I don't have mutt, I actually usually use mail.app in OSX [08:44] but I'll give it another go [08:45] I'm just frustrated that it is so email based [08:45] draging the file to the Mail.app icon, maybe? [08:45] LaserJock: well, I heard that's because Debian BTS predates WWW... [08:45] what, bts or reportbug or both? e-mail's the sensible way. [08:45] sure, I can understand that [08:45] or at least before www became popular [08:46] I just can't seem to get the hang of it and then it just looks like I'm incompetent [08:47] the delay is also killing me [08:47] I just can't tell if anything worked [08:47] I have to wait a few hours [08:48] the mails to submit@bugs.debian.org are processed by a 15-minute cron job, not sure about control@b.d.o though [08:49] but can only be faster [08:49] so a few hours sounds wrong... === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] I guess I'm just spoiled by learning Ubuntu first and then going to debian [08:53] haha [08:53] maybe I just need to learn how to do the email by hand and not use reportbug or bts [08:56] so should I get an email when I merge two bugs? === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] the e-mail address listed in the Maintainer field will at least. [09:01] but not the emailer? [09:01] the sender should as well [09:01] hmm, well it has been over two hours and I got nothing [09:01] I wonder if I should send an email [09:02] I'd check in 6 hrs; I know I've had delays near that length [09:02] hmm, ok [09:02] you can always check the bug report itself [09:03] yeah, I don't see any change [09:04] although they are from 2 different addresses :( [09:09] well, I gotta get to bed. I'll check it in the morning when I'll be in a better mood. [09:10] night === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD950B1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] greetings from chemnitz! (Linux Tag in progress) === gusaweb [n=gusaweb@lns-bzn-37-82-253-57-100.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] hi siretart :) [apologies for lag in responding to e-mail, recovering from stomach flu] [10:17] crimsun: oh. I hope you are feeling better now [10:17] no problem [10:18] I'm happy that the development of wpasupplicant gets some action, and that we have a lovely mailing list :) [10:18] true :) === deadchip is now known as dc|water === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD950B1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:37] yop === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] yop Tonio_ === dc|water is now known as deadchip [10:42] salut pef [10:43] salut Gloubi [10:43] Gloubiboulga: salut :) === cassidy [n=cassidy@148-192.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-83-192.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ is now known as jaldhar === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F9EA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] good morning === Gervystar [n=alessand@ip-124-244.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@54-226.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.152.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nomed [n=nomed@host222-58.pool8260.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] hi all === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] hi === JohnnyMast [n=rave@82-170-225-221.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@85.65.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.154.131] has joined #ubuntu-motu === deaddog [n=abelcheu@221.127.102.209] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.145.222] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-83-192.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F9EA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix is now known as yield === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.154.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yield is now known as fredix === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD950B9E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.155.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] is there a revu admin? === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-83-192.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] netzmeister: wassup? === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] siretart: nothing. it's okay... [02:34] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2095 [02:34] jippie === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-112-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@unaffiliated/gnulinuxer] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.187] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-068-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xoritor [n=xoritor@xorit.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] ok so it looks like i am going to have to update gnutls [03:22] which wont be a bad thing anyways as per... http://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/security.html === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] the libgnutls11 version is too old and the libgnutls12 version fixes some things but requires libtasn1-2 0.2.18 but ours is 0.2.17 [03:28] so instead of going through and bumping too many things ill just have to bump libgnutls to 1.0.25 (latest version) === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] hmmm [03:39] my setup of pbuilder on amd64 keeps failing [03:40] Xoritor: the pbuilder fails, or the compilation fails? [03:41] pbuilder create and pbuilder create --distribution dapper both fail [03:41] the actual create of the tarball fails [03:41] its pretty ambiguous :-/ [03:41] do you have the dapper version of the pbuilder package? [03:42] yep === zakame [n=zak@210.213.77.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] im running dapper on that box trying to setup pbuilder [03:43] Xoritor: did you follow the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto? [03:43] yep [03:43] step by step [03:43] worked for my 32bit env [03:43] diff box [03:43] but dies on my 64bit one [03:43] try a different archive mirror [03:43] evening all! :D [03:43] hi zakame [03:43] hmm [03:43] ok [03:44] got a url listing them? i dont know where to find them [03:44] W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/30923/. dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb [03:44] pbuilder: debootstrap failed [03:44] use archive.ubuntu.com [03:44] thats what i am using === viyyer [n=viv@59.176.4.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] hello [03:44] hi viyyer [03:45] morning zakame [03:45] hi viyyer [03:45] hi bmonty [03:45] Xoritor: when I have seen that error, it was because of something messed up in the archive [03:45] hmm [03:45] I am curious.. if a more recent version of m17n-db package will come into dapper [03:46] so you think archives.ubuntu.com is messed up? === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] the current package in breezy & dapper are broken [03:46] MIRRORSITE=http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [03:46] viyyer: if it hasn't been updated already it will need an exception request [03:46] that anyways [03:46] bmonty, it hasn't been updated since october [03:46] G0SUB, for amd64? [03:46] this is basic language functionalityhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/m17n-db/+bug/32573 [03:47] malone bug 32573 in m17n-db "upstream bugs " [Normal,Unconfirmed] [03:47] Xoritor no, not that ... I am talking about the SCIM-m17n bug [03:47] thanks Ubugtu [03:47] :) [03:47] viyyer that's a bot [03:47] eh [03:47] oh ohoh...sorry === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] who will be packaging it ? [03:48] viyyer: is there a newer version in debian? [03:48] bmonty, yes :) [03:48] as you can see on the link on the bug report [03:48] oops it's not here it is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349618;msg=10 [03:49] well Ubugtu seems ignorant of debian bug-tracker [03:49] bmonty, any ideas on a mirror i could use? [03:49] viyyer yes ... only malone [03:49] hi bmonty viyyer Xoritor [03:50] hi zakame [03:50] viyyer: well there will have to be a UVF exception granted to update tye package [03:50] what's a UVF?? [03:50] Xoritor: no, sorry [03:50] :-( [03:50] Upstream Version Freeze [03:50] whoever grants it ?? [03:50] viyyer: UVF = upstream version freeze [03:51] Amaranth there? [03:51] well.. it's is very badly due [03:51] viyyer: if you want to help, please verify that it builds in a dapper environment [03:51] otherwise, I'll try to put the request together sometime today [03:51] could someone tell me what you get from this? [03:51] my father won't even use it if he can't type [03:52] libgnutls-config --libs [03:52] :) [03:52] Xoritor: flags for gcc to tell it what libs to link with [03:52] za ia very important as it is the most distinctive part of tamizh.. [03:52] don't say tamil [03:52] :) [03:52] bmonty, i know "what" it is... i want to know what results YOU have [03:52] viyyer what doees it say? Thamizha ? [03:53] yes [03:53] hmm [03:53] i want to see if just mine is borked or if its borked in all of ubuntu [03:53] Xoritor: ahh, hold on :) [03:53] hehe [03:54] Xoritor: -L/usr/lib -lgnutls [03:55] yea its borked for you too [03:55] im guessing its borked for everyone [03:56] ie... not liked to the all the right things [03:56] bmonty whom do we ask for a UVF Exception? [03:56] bmonty, what's the next step? [03:57] G0SUB: iirc only TB and TB-approved people can approve an UVF exception [03:58] TB ? [03:58] what is TB ??? [03:58] (e.g., Kamion, dholbach, siretart iirc) [03:58] (if I'm not mistaken, I haven't requested an exception myself) [03:58] yeah, I was looking for dholbach [03:58] viyyer: Technical Board [03:58] zakame, please... tell me where is the glossary of ubuntu terminology :) [03:58] viyyer, G0SUB: 1. verify that the latest version of the debian package builds on dapper 2. create a diff between the old and new versions 3. create a UVF exception request in malone [03:58] viyyer that's basic debian terminology ... UVF, etc. but TB is new :) [03:58] viyyer: I don't know myself, I just pick those acronyms up as I go along ;) [03:59] bmonty fine ... will do that [03:59] G0SUB, let's get the debian package and rebuild for dapper :) [03:59] if you guys can verify the package builds and create the diff, I'll create the UVF request [03:59] viyyer I have a dapper pbuilder base.tgz [03:59] zakame, I remember sabdfl talking about technical board at our lug get together [04:00] the instructions to create a UVF request came out in the ubuntu-motu list a couple of days ago if you want to do that as well [04:00] G0SUB, you r0ck [04:00] viyyer :) [04:00] bmonty, that will be helpful [04:00] bmonty: by this time it would be called an FF exception ;) [04:00] zakame: no, it is still a UVF exception [04:01] zakame, what in the holy &^$#! is FF exception? [04:01] eh.. feature freeze?? [04:01] Feature Freeze [04:01] ah === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.195.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viyyer apologises to zakame [04:04] viyyer: no prob with that, it's not legal C code anyhow :P [04:04] viyyer okay, let's get the thing started [04:04] is malone browseable? [04:05] Xoritor of course [04:05] link? [04:05] please [04:05] G0SUB, how can I build ubuntu packages on debian . any clues?? [04:05] Xoritor: of course, see https://launchpad.net/malone/ [04:05] viyyer pbuilder [04:06] zakame, thx === GNULinuxer [i=ghoseb@unaffiliated/gnulinuxer] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@unaffiliated/gnulinuxer] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gusaweb_ [n=gusaweb@lns-bzn-39-82-255-23-7.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] viyyer, G0SUB: what bug does upgrading m17n-db fix? [04:17] bmonty, to be able to type in all characters in tamil [04:18] viyyer: you have the debian version installed and you have verified that it solves the problem? [04:18] bmonty, yes I can certify that [04:25] hi .. can anyone help me with a dapper pbuilder base.tgz?? [04:26] I need for building on my etch/sid box [04:26] viyyer: look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [04:27] bmonty afaict, the pbuilder create [dapper] failed in my case [04:28] if you are running debian, you will probably have to create a base.tgz using a debian distribution, then change the sources.list for ubuntu and use pbuilder update --override-config [04:28] how can i check if a pkge that's not in ubuntu already exists in debian ? [04:29] nomed: go to pde.debian.net and search for it [04:29] or it's been pkged in debian but it doesn't still appear in apt [04:29] bmonty, thanks [04:29] nomed: er...pdo.debian.net [04:30] packages.debian.org is back up, btw [04:30] except for changelogs [04:31] azeem: thanks [04:32] viyyer, G0SUB: see Malone #33706 [04:32] malone bug 33706 in m17n-db "UVF exception request" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33706 [04:32] bmonty awesome. thanks a lot :) [04:34] bmonty, does that mean it's done?? [04:34] viyyer you still need to confirm the build success [04:35] viyyer: no, it needs to be approved for a UVF exception and then synced from debian into ubuntu [04:35] I already confirmed that it builds on dapper [04:35] bmonty great then [04:36] bmonty, when will the UVF team be available? [04:36] any mailing list? [04:36] viyyer: they'll get to it, don't worry :) [04:37] bmonty, you rock :) [04:37] viyyer: :) [04:37] be back in a bit [04:38] viyyer I told you ... see how they rock? === Surak [n=Surak@201009100044.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Surak [n=Surak@201009100044.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Surak [n=Surak@201009100044.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Surak [n=Surak@201009100044.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:42] viyyer: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus [04:43] siretart, hope everything is in place for a UVF now ?? [04:44] siretart, Malone #33706 [04:44] malone bug 33706 in m17n-db "UVF exception request" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33706 [04:45] viyyer: will review that when I find some time. I'm at a conference right now === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:46] siretart: is the install log that is mentioned in the email the output from piuparts? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] bmonty: at your choice. what you find convinient [04:48] siretart: ok [04:51] is there a dh_ tool to use when "updating" someone elses package to a new version? [04:51] ie... dh_make makes the debian directory [04:52] i used apt-get source to get the sources [04:52] downloaded the updated version [04:52] moved the debian directory from the old sources to the new sources [04:52] now i want to fix the control, changelog, etc... to reflect the "version bump" [04:52] Xoritor: just update the changelog with debchange -i [04:53] beautiful! === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] hi Kyral [04:58] hmm [04:59] libgnutls11 1.0.16-14ubuntu1 [04:59] i want to bump that to 1.0.25 [04:59] would it be 1.0.25-1ubuntu1 [04:59] or [04:59] would it be 1.0.25-0ubuntu1 [04:59] the latter [04:59] 1.0.25-1ubuntu1 [05:00] Xoritor: does 1.0.25 exist in debian? [05:00] no [05:00] so yes [05:00] the latter [05:00] azeem, sorry read that wrong [05:00] libgnutls11-1.0.25-0ubuntu1 then [05:00] what do you need libgnutls for? [05:00] prelude [05:00] the new version, I mean [05:01] and the libgnutls is b0rked [05:01] its not linked to things it should be linked to [05:01] bug number? [05:01] i have not filed one [05:02] i was just going to fix it and see if it works first [05:02] ;-) [05:02] smurf maintains it, who is both active in Debian and Ubuntu AFAIK [05:02] Xoritor: oh, ok [05:02] Xoritor: but take care before uploading anything, I'd say [05:02] if i can submit a bug with the fix i feel better [05:02] gnutls11 has a pile of reverse-depends [05:02] -L/usr/lib -lgnutls -L/usr/lib -ltasn1 -lgcrypt -lgpg-error [05:02] thats what libgnutls-config SHOULD look like [05:02] well [05:03] libgnutls-config --libs [05:03] what does it look like right now? === lbm [n=lbm@130.225.243.71] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] but it looks like this now.. -L/usr/lib -lgnutls [05:04] well the second -L/usr/lib is not needed... but the other stuff -ltasn1 -lgcrypt -lgpg-error is [05:04] if those are not there then things may not work right [05:05] all all those things that depend on gnutls may be broken (or they may work... but maybe not correctly) [05:05] did you check the changelog for why this is maybe? [05:06] there are many libraries/programs depending on libgnutls, so my guess is rather you have a program which does not use it correctly [05:06] -L/usr/lib -lgnutls -lgcrypt -lgpg-error -lz [05:06] thats what it looks like on FC and RHEL [05:06] gentoo, lunar, etc... look about the same === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] nomed, i would bother to guess that gnutls is not built correctly in ubuntu (i dont have a straight debian install) [05:07] err... s/nomed/no [05:07] root@beethoven:/# libgnutls-config --libs [05:07] -L/usr/lib -lgnutls [05:07] right [05:07] that's on Debian GNU/Hurd, though [05:08] and that is not correct either [05:08] root@beethoven:/# objdump -x /usr/lib/libgnutls.so | grep NEED [05:08] NEEDED libtasn1.so.2 [05:08] NEEDED libz.so.1 [05:08] NEEDED libgcrypt.so.11 [05:08] NEEDED libgpg-error.so.0 [05:08] I tend to agree [05:08] everything i have read says you have to have those NEEDED things and they are not in ubuntu/debian [05:09] so everything linked to libgnutls is possibly horribly broken [05:09] and libgnutls11 is at a very old version [05:09] ah, gnutls has a .pc file now [05:09] what version? [05:10] 1.2.9? [05:10] or 1.0.16 [05:10] 1.2.9-2 [05:10] and 1.0.16 should be updated to 1.0.25 for security fixes [05:10] cause lots of stuff still use 1.0x [05:10] i was not going to even start to look at the 1.2x stuff [05:10] ;-) [05:10] heh [05:10] oh, where does 1.0.16 come from? [05:11] libgnutls11 [05:11] libgnutls12 is 1.2.9 [05:11] and libgnutls-dev is 1.2.9 [05:11] right [05:11] and conflicts with libgnutls11-dev [05:11] so there's no libgnutls-config --libs for 1.0.16? [05:11] no [05:11] or rather, you cannot build against it [05:11] right [05:11] so that part of your argument is mood :) [05:12] 17:03 < Q_> azeem: -lgnutls is the right thing. [05:12] you have to remove libgnutls-dev and install libgnutls11-dev [05:12] 17:03 < Q_> azeem: The rest of those should are things needed by gnutls itself, and are in the DT_NEEDED, as they should. [05:12] Xoritor: ah === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] so the bottom line is, the linker should figure that out === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] where is DT_NEEDED [05:13] ? [05:13] Xoritor: what does objdump -x /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.11 | grep NEED say? [05:13] NEEDED libgcrypt.so.11 [05:13] NEEDED libgpg-error.so.0 [05:13] NEEDED libz.so.1 [05:13] NEEDED libc.so.6 [05:13] SONAME libgnutls.so.11 [05:13] that part? [05:13] yep [05:13] what part are you wanting? [05:13] Xoritor: can you point at an actual build error due to this? [05:14] yes [05:14] welll [05:14] libprelude wont build because libgnutls11 is too old [05:14] so it needs additional symbols added after 1.0.16? [05:15] wait one and ill tell you what that exact message is [05:17] Someone can look here please.. [05:17] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096 [05:21] http://pastebin.com/583647 [05:22] and if i use the 1.2.9 version i get other errors (it will take a while to get to that point) [05:22] my machine compiles pretty slow [05:22] p3 450 (only 32 bit machine i have anymore) [05:23] and pbuilder create dies when trying to setup in my 64 bit dapper [05:24] well, I'd rather try 1.2.x if I were you [05:24] i would too! [05:24] heh [05:24] ill show the errors i get from that in a bit [05:24] or talk with smurf about upgrading gnutls11, but see e.g. Debian bug #328686 [05:24] debian bug 328686 in gnutls11 "Requesting upstream release of 1.0.22 or later" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/328686 [05:24] "168 days old." [05:25] and its caused by libgnutls not being linked correctly (as per the dev of prelude) [05:25] does prelude use libtool? [05:25] yes im pretty sure it does... [05:26] Implement workaround for buggy libtool that will fail [05:26] from the changelog [05:26] oh [05:27] and this ONLY fails in the pbuilder chroot [05:27] then maybe you're missing another -dev [05:27] azeem, it works fine if i just do ./configure && make [05:27] thats what i thought too [05:27] but damned if i can find what it is [05:27] debian bug #347438 [05:27] Ubugtu: pfft [05:27] Debian bug #347438 [05:28] heh [05:28] it's a shot in the dark, but maybe you're missing this [05:28] Xoritor: or you could convince the prelude developer to use pkg-config, rather, that might work better than libgnutls-config --libs [05:30] http://pastebin.com/583660 [05:30] and i have as my depends [05:30] Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), autotools-dev, libgpg-error-dev, libgcrypt-dev, libgnutls-dev [05:30] can you paste the link line as well? [05:31] ah [05:32] 17:20 [OPN] -Ubugtu(n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas)- Error: Could not parse data returned by Debian bugtracker: need more than 1 value to unpack [05:32] http://pastebin.com/583667 [05:33] ? === h01ger [n=holger@bone.digitalis.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:34] so it seems as if prelude uses gcrypt functions directly [05:34] hi - can anybody please tell me, if "cfengine --help" segfaults in breezy or dapper? (you probably would need to install cfengine first..) [05:34] so it should link to gcrypt directly [05:35] h01ger: okay i try.. [05:36] jep, segfault [05:37] ah :-( thx, netzmeister [05:38] h01ger: np [05:38] so "fix commited" in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cfengine/+bug/6624 doesnt mean it's fixed ? [05:38] malone bug 6624 in cfengine "Segmentation Fault " [Normal,Unconfirmed] [05:39] h01ger: i use dapper [05:40] azeem, so the dev uses libgnutls-config --libs to find gcrypt [05:40] and you are saying he should link directly to it [05:40] instead? [05:40] h01ger: I /think/ he means it got committed upstream === h01ger _thinks_ its unfixed in breezy as well, cause the patch did do nothing when applied to sid :) :-/ [05:42] azeem, upstream is dead [05:42] oh :) [05:42] rather switched to cfengine2 [05:42] Xoritor: he should not rely on gnutls to tell him how to link to gcrypt [05:42] not dead :) [05:43] Xoritor: it seems he is lucky that the other distributions are lazy to expose those libraries in libgnutls-config --libs, but I think relying on it is not alright if he actually uses gcrypt in his code [05:45] azeem, can i invite you and the prelude dev to a chan to talk about this? [05:45] you 2 have very different views [05:45] why do they not use pkg-config? [05:45] can anybody take a look here please.. [05:45] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096 [05:46] Xoritor: I am going home in a couple of minutes, so I'd rather not have a lenghty discussion about it... [05:46] ok [05:46] well pkg-config is not an acceptable dependancy for him === Marticus_ [n=demart01@12-210-128-9.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] Xoritor: where can I download the prelude source? [05:47] http://www.prelude-ids.org [05:47] it will build and run with ./configure && make [05:47] but it wont in pbuilder [05:47] so test it with that [05:48] here i quote his reasons for not wanting to use that as a dep [05:48] "just try to explain him that library does not export their dependencies for gratuitous sake" [05:48] "if a library doesn't correctly export it's dependencies can lead to a number of failure" [05:49] "especially when using static linking where all symbols, and their ordering, are meaningful" === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-208-48-64-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-208-48-64-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has left #ubuntu-MOTU ["Fui] [05:51] Xoritor: from src/prelude-client.c: [05:51] #include [05:51] #include [05:51] so it is *not* a dependency, he uses gcrypt === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] im not a coder really... what do you me to say? [05:52] I don't know exactly, sorry [05:53] ok... and from him again [05:53] "just to give the maintainer a point, it's true we could manually specify -lgcrypt since we use one symbol from it" [05:53] "but that's irrelevant" [05:53] "since there is a bug more important than this" [05:53] two false don't make one right [05:54] "which is that libgnutls should export it's dependencies (and it does, but whatever package you are using kill this ability)" [05:54] im just trying to make this a package that will work... [05:54] libgnutls exports its *run-time* dependencies in its .so via DT_NEEDED, see above, and the linker will get that right [05:54] 2 diff views on it [05:54] but this is build tiem [05:54] time [05:55] Xoritor: as a data point, there is a lot of packages using gnutls in Debian/Ubuntu, and they all build fine [05:55] "explain him that his attitude kill ability for any package using GnuTLS to link statically" [05:55] Xoritor: you could try to ask in #ubuntu-devel to get somebdoy more authorative than me to comment on this [05:55] ok [05:55] im sorry [05:55] :-( [05:55] i just want it to work [05:56] and between the 2 of you it looks like it may not === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xoritor feels like a 50 ton weight dropped on him [05:57] as a work-around you could just add -lgrypt to src/Makefile.am's libprelude_la_LIBADD line [05:57] then what do i put in the debian/control Build-Depends: to get pbuilder to build it right? [05:58] that is independent, you'd need libgrypt-dev there, but I think you have that already? [05:58] cause it works just fine from the manual cli ./configure && make [05:58] but it does not work in pbuilder [05:58] Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), autotools-dev, libgpg-error-dev, libgcrypt-dev, libgnutls-dev [05:58] yea [05:58] :-( [05:58] I don't know why it just works without pbuilder [05:58] do you use additional configure options with pbuilder? [05:59] no [05:59] pdebuild [05:59] actually [05:59] should i? [06:00] no, just wondering [06:07] what can i do? [06:11] can anyone confirm that libtextcat is not in ubuntu ? [06:11] i can't find it .. and i'm not sure if it can have a different name === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:23] yay! [06:24] i think we will have the fix of him linking to libgcrypt! [06:24] woot! [06:26] can't find it either nomed [06:26] raphink, thanks === h01ger [n=holger@bone.digitalis.org] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [06:28] hi raphink === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.195.2] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [06:28] raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096 ;-) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-20.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouchi [n=Doudou@ASt-Lambert-153-1-79-155.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] Hi === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouchi [n=Doudou@ASt-Lambert-153-1-79-155.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:12] wb raphink [07:14] ty === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096 ;-) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:29] is ubuntu/apt/dpkg OK with packages with lots of little files? if i create a 4GB package with lots of 40k files, will that make apt slower or more clunky after installing that package? or is apt clever enough to deal with it? [07:29] hi, btw === JohnnyMast [n=rave@82-170-225-221.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] highvoltage: w00t? 4GB wth is that? ;-) [07:52] highvoltage, if you make a 4G package people will start followong you through dark nights and hit you over the head in even darker corners ... [07:52] lol :) [07:52] apart from that you'll need ages to upload a change :) [07:52] netzmeister: this is for the wikipedia images [07:53] i don't intend to distribute on mass scale [07:53] wow, nice [07:53] i just want to move away from the old, hacky way of just copying files in tuxlabs like we curently do, and get everything in apt. [07:53] techically it shouldnt be a problem [07:53] although, wikipedia doesn't seem very packagable :) [07:54] i think nobody have made tests with 4 GB packages.. [07:54] i have a database package already. the database is 1.2GB large, but it compresses nicely to 527MB. [07:54] i have the first 4GB package ready, the second one is building now. i indtedn to put it on 2x dvd's [07:54] i'm just wondering if the "reading database...." will take slower for apt after that. [07:54] i supposee i'll find out shortly :) [07:56] *g* [07:56] segfault ;-) [07:58] i did run out of space on / while trying to make the first one. what's strange though, is that dpkg -b uses some space outside of /tmp or my current or home directory to build the package. couldn't figure out where though. [07:58] in that same period, my cups log file also mysteriously grew to 2.1GB. very strange. [08:03] uhh.. === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:09] how do i get pdebuild to apply a patch? === JohnnyMast [n=rave@82-170-225-221.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:14] Xoritor: pbuilder doesn't apply patches, you need to use one of the patch systems [08:14] bmonty, such as? [08:14] Xoritor: cdbs, dpatch, dbs [08:14] which is preferred? [08:15] or the normal diff [08:16] Xoritor: your choice [08:16] Xoritor: I prefer dpatch, but it is really your choice === jpat|away just uses .diff files [08:18] so apply the patch to the sources then use pbuilder? [08:18] Xoritor: you can do that also [08:18] heh [08:18] ok === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:19] cdbs, dpatch, etc. allow you to control how patches are applied and it also makes it easier to track changes from the upstream source === Amaranth_ [n=travis@24-117-88-103.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] for what it's worth, i installed the two 4GB .debs. [08:28] and it didn't make anything slower. [08:28] when i installed, dpkg said "(Reading database ... 120472 files and directories currently installed.)" [08:29] now it says "(Reading database ... 266169 files and directories currently installed.)" when i install somethign afterwards [08:30] 10 years ago, my 386 with windows 3.1 only had a total of 1000 files on the entire disk. i used to think that's a lot :) [08:42] hehehe, yea === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:47] is 23,018 messages a lot to have in one mailbox since jan 1? ;) [08:48] psusi: not if you're subscirbed to ubuntu-users :) [08:50] ubuntu-users only has 16,443 messages and that's from 10/12/2005 === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@unaffiliated/gnulinuxer] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] ok so that does not seem to have worked [09:15] can i "stop" pdebuilder and check what its doing? [09:22] well... i figured that out [09:22] my patch did get in === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-253-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] siretart: ping === tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@p549F9EA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] revu admins on board? === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable023.222-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] netzmeister: what's the issue? [10:21] ah.. [10:21] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096 [10:21] :-) === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@82-170-225-221.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] yay! [10:46] it worked [10:46] it worked! [10:46] :) === Xoritor does his happy dance [10:46] now i just have to get pbuilder working in x86_64 [10:46] :-D === Genman [n=lennart@atlrel2.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] azeem, i got a patch from the dev and it works now! === Kyral is trying to make Xen work on Breezy :P === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pappan [n=pappan@59.92.131.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Genman [n=lennart@atlrel2.hp.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [11:16] Kyral: a good idea.. [11:16] mm? [11:17] plz tell us when it works. ;-) [11:17] Xen [11:17] Well, my server is running the Domain0 Kernel right now [11:17] I'm just building the Debian Sarge images that will become the XenGuests [11:18] HowtoForge has a nice article on it [11:19] I kinda can't escape Xen [11:19] <--- Goes to Clarkson University [11:19] that means? === Kyral smirks [11:19] lol [11:19] I guess you haven't read the Ubuntu-Users ML recently [11:19] no.. [11:19] link? [11:20] Guy who graduated last year is responsible for the Xen packages for Breezy [11:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-March/068728.html [11:20] thats the beginning of the thread [11:21] and the two heads of COSI are really active with Xen as well [11:23] Can't wait to try a Live Migration === cassidy [n=cassidy@148-192.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] so i have built libprelude (the right version that i need) and now i want to build snort using MY new lib prelude... how can i get pbuilder to use mine instead of the one supplied? [11:33] --extrapackages ?? [11:33] if you want to do that, you have to add your own libprelude to an apt repo, then have your pbuilder update from it === bobesponja [n=bobespon@bas75-1-81-57-4-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] hmm [11:34] looks like thats it === Xoritor will setup an apt repo in a bit then [11:34] thx crimsun === Lure [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] time for a nap now though [11:35] otherwise pbuilder login, copy over the deb, install it, copy over snort source, and build it === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@125.255.5.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-20.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jeds [n=jonas@c-bb6fe055.56-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo_away [n=nnnnnnaf@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@195.22.207.161] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netzmeister [n=netzmeis@84.159.158.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-068-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@85.65.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@206.191.39.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu