[12:06] <LaserJock> thierry: I don't believe that terminal apps go in the menu. I think that is the point of having them be terminal
[12:07] <LaserJock> it is really up to you whether you want to work on a .desktop that won't go in the menu
[12:17] <thierry> LaserJock : k but why do they have .menu files for debian??
[12:18] <azeem> because that is a tragedy
[12:18] <bmonty> wouldn't a terminal app register the mime types it handles via a .desktop file?
[12:19] <LaserJock> that is why I think it is worthwhile to make .desktop files
[12:19] <netzmeister> raphink:  i upload atm my first package to revu..
[12:19] <netzmeister> ;-)
[12:21] <LaserJock> my thought at this point (mostly because I haven't researched it much) is that if everything has a .desktop file then all the info is there. What we want to do with it is another story
[12:21] <LaserJock> We don't even have most of the Categories in the gnome menu
[12:27] <bmonty> I think .desktop files work should be prioritized based on GUI apps and then apps that register a mime type
[12:29] <Kyral> Hey guys
[02:06] <LaserJock> man it's quiet in here
[02:06] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: very!
[02:07] <LaserJock> must be the Germans are asleep ;-)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:20] <netzmeister> no
[02:20] <netzmeister> here i am.. ;-)
[02:20] <netzmeister> wie geht es euch?
[02:20] <netzmeister> :)
[02:21] <hub> netzmeister: gut, gut
[02:22] <netzmeister> hub:  Do you speak german?
[02:22] <hub> netzmeister: ein Bisschen
[02:23] <netzmeister> what's your native language?
[02:24] <hub> french
[02:24] <netzmeister> okay..
[02:25] <hub> i took german for 8 years in high school
[02:26] <netzmeister> 8 Years.. thats long
[02:26] <zakame> hello MOTUs
[02:26] <netzmeister> i took french for 1 years.. :)
[02:27] <netzmeister> hello zakame
[02:27] <netzmeister> s/years/year
[02:29] <LaserJock> hmm, I haven't taken any languages. Stupid US school system ;-)
[02:31] <LaserJock> I'd like to learn French and German but I don't seem to have much time. I tried hanging out in #ubuntu-fr once though
[02:32] <hub> LaserJock: come to Quebec :-)
[02:32] <zakame> heya netzmeister! :D
[02:32] <zakame> LaserJock: er not even en_US? :P
[02:32] <zakame> heh this is a screenshot for malone bug 32912 ^_^
[02:32] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32912 in xchat-gnome "underscores replaced with spaces in chat windows" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32912
[02:33] <Hobbsee> i've seen screenshots in some of the bugs for kdelibs, too
[02:33] <Hobbsee> but that one seems a bit odd
[02:33] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  I talk to you in english and you answer in german
[02:33] <LaserJock> zakame: I don't feel very fluent in en_US some days either :-)
[02:34] <zakame> LaserJock: thanks for that en_US bit, I'm taking a shot of my current xchat-gnome window ;)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ich nicht sprecke deutsch
[02:35] <LaserJock> netzmeister: sicher
[02:38] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  Do you speak a little bit german?
[02:38] <LaserJock> netzmeister: no, I speak babelfish.altavista.com
[02:38] <netzmeister> hrhr, why not..
[02:39] <netzmeister> for some words i ask the google translator..
[02:39] <netzmeister> Are bubblefish better?
[02:39] <LaserJock> I think they are basically the same
[02:39] <netzmeister> k
[02:40] <netzmeister> ah btw. when my sentences are very wrong, plz tell me..
[02:41] <netzmeister> i think it's really funny when you read my lines..
[02:41] <netzmeister> atm i translate word for word..
[02:41] <netzmeister> :(
[02:41] <LaserJock> it looks pretty good to me
[02:44] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  Really?
[02:45] <netzmeister> what is more correct "are bubblefish better?" or "is bubblefish better?"
[02:46] <netzmeister> i think "is..."
[02:46] <LaserJock> netzmeister: actually it is "is babblefish better?" but yeah is is better
[02:48] <netzmeister> :)
[02:48] <netzmeister> k
[02:48] <netzmeister> hey, i've uploaded today my first package to revu :)
[02:49] <LaserJock> cool
[02:50] <LaserJock> what is the package?
[02:51] <netzmeister> it is a nice crossplattform IDE written in C/C++..
[02:51] <netzmeister> www.codeblocks.org
[02:54] <bmonty> netzmeister: looks like a MS Visual C++ clone
[02:55] <netzmeister> you mean it looks nice? :)
[02:55] <LaserJock> netzmeister: sehr gut ;-)
[02:55] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  Thank you => Danke sehr.
[02:56] <netzmeister> i will ask the Core-Developer of the "Codeblocks IDE" if i should build every Release a package for universe..
[02:56] <netzmeister> and when i have time i build every week a package from the svn sources
[02:56] <netzmeister> "...i will build..."
[02:57] <bmonty> netzmeister: how does functionality compare with visual C++?
[02:59] <netzmeister> > Imports MSVC projects and workspaces
[02:59] <bmonty> nice
[03:00] <netzmeister> > Code completion etc..
[03:00] <netzmeister> ( http://www.codeblocks.org/img/screenshots/scr1.png )
[03:00] <netzmeister> nice nicer codeblocks.. LOL
[03:05] <netzmeister> re
[03:05] <LaserJock> netzmeister: als Sie hochluden? I'm not sure what I'm saying ;-)
[03:06] <netzmeister> you say: "as you upload?"
[03:06] <netzmeister> no moment..
[03:06] <LaserJock> netzmeister: I was trying to say "when did you upload?"
[03:07] <netzmeister> "hochluden" thats past..
[03:07] <netzmeister> :)
[03:07] <netzmeister> i uploaded 00:19
[03:08] <netzmeister> three hours ago
[03:10] <LaserJock> Ich sehe es nicht
[03:11] <netzmeister> hmm..
[03:11] <netzmeister> should i try it again?
[03:11] <netzmeister> i try..
[03:12] <netzmeister> look
[03:12] <netzmeister> Uploading via ftp codeblocks_1.0-2094_i386.deb: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of codeblocks_1.0-2094_i386.deb
[03:13] <netzmeister> and bevor..
[03:13] <netzmeister> "before"
[03:13] <LaserJock> netzmeister: you don't upload the .deb
[03:13] <LaserJock> netzmeister: you upload the source package
[03:13] <netzmeister> argh..
[03:13] <LaserJock> use the .changes file
[03:13] <netzmeister> yes i do
[03:13] <LaserJock> when you do "dput"
[03:13] <netzmeister> netzmeister@workstation:~/ubuntu_maintainer/codeblocks/packages/svn_2094$ dput codeblocks_1.0-2094_i386.changes
[03:13] <netzmeister> Upload package to host revu
[03:13] <netzmeister> Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de
[03:13] <LaserJock> no, the source.changes file
[03:14] <netzmeister> ahhh
[03:15] <netzmeister> no it was the right file..
[03:15] <netzmeister> the deb.change
[03:15] <netzmeister> can you delete the file on the ftp?
[03:15] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[03:16] <netzmeister> hmm mom
[03:16] <netzmeister> moment
[03:16] <LaserJock> did you upload with the _source.changes file?
[03:20] <netzmeister> no
[03:24] <bmonty> netzmeister: you'll need to upload the source package to REVU
[03:24] <Mez> netzmeister, you need something deleting from revu ?
[03:25] <netzmeister> Mez:  i think so..
[03:25] <netzmeister> dcut rm codeblocks......*
[03:25] <netzmeister> but i have an error
[03:25] <netzmeister>  signfile /tmp/dcut.P_PfR1/dcut.netzmeister__netzmeister_localhost_localdomain_.1141439095.6630.commands netzmeister <netzmeister@localhost.localdomain>
[03:25] <Mez> netzmeister, sorted
[03:26] <Mez> it's deleted from incoming
[03:26] <Mez> try a new proper uploaad
[03:26] <netzmeister> oh thx
[03:26] <netzmeister> is dcut a alternative?
[03:26] <Mez> dcut doesnt work with it ...
[03:27] <netzmeister> ah okay..
[03:27] <netzmeister> upload is running
[03:27] <Mez> it's not a proper thing
[03:27] <Mez> netzmeister, why are you uploading a .deb?
[03:27] <Mez> netzmeister, from your base dir
[03:27] <Mez> do a
[03:27] <Mez> debuild -S -sa
[03:27] <Mez> then cd ..
[03:27] <Mez> dput revu *_source.changes
[03:28] <Mez> dont upload a deb file
[03:28] <netzmeister> okay i cancel..
[03:28] <netzmeister> plz delete the file..
[03:28] <Mez> netzmeister, already done
[03:29] <netzmeister> build progress is running..
[03:29] <netzmeister> (8mins)
[03:29] <Mez> you did a debuild -S -sa ?
[03:30] <netzmeister> hehe its finished..
[03:30] <netzmeister> :)
[03:30] <Mez> now dput the resulting _source.changes
[03:30] <Mez> netzmeister, is your GPG key in revu?
[03:30] <netzmeister> yes
[03:31] <Mez> good to hear
[03:31] <netzmeister> upload is running
[03:31] <netzmeister> is looks better..
[03:31] <netzmeister> it
[03:31] <ajmitch> netzmeister: is this something new you've packaged?
[03:32] <Mez> netzmeister, er
[03:32] <netzmeister> i think so
[03:32] <netzmeister> Mez:  what?
[03:32] <Mez> netzmeister, well if it is I can see right now that I wouldnt advocate it
[03:33] <ajmitch> Mez: I was going to be a little gentler than that
[03:33] <Mez> ajmitch, lol - no - it's a native package it seems
[03:33] <Mez> mez@tiber:/home/ftp/incoming$ ls
[03:33] <Mez> codeblocks_1.0-2094.dsc  codeblocks_1.0-2094.tar.gz
[03:34] <ajmitch> yes, which is why I asked about it
[03:34] <ajmitch> I was looking there
[03:34] <Mez> ah lol
[03:35] <Mez> must just be me
[03:36] <ajmitch> probably
[03:36] <Mez> ajmitch, did you delete it ?
[03:36] <Mez> nvm
[03:36] <ajmitch> no
[03:36] <ajmitch> why would I delete something that someone just uploaded, for no reason?
[03:36] <Mez> I was in the wrong dir :D
[03:36] <Mez> lol
[03:37] <Mez> and couldnt see it or in revu
[03:37] <Lathiat> ajmitch: BECAUSE YOU HATE EVERYONE
[03:37] <Lathiat> AND FREEDOM!
[03:37] <Lathiat> and you like the big red button...
[03:38] <ajmitch> Lathiat: that is true
[03:38] <netzmeister> Mez: Did i make a mistake?
[03:38] <Mez> netzmeister, it's a debian native package - which is bad
[03:39] <Mez> also versioning is wrong
[03:39] <netzmeister> uhh okay..
[03:39] <netzmeister> how can i fix that?
[03:39] <netzmeister> versioning scheme?
[03:39] <Mez> edit the changelog
[03:40] <netzmeister> k
[03:40] <Mez> netzmeister, have you read the debian new maintainers guide?
[03:40] <netzmeister> Not completely
[03:41] <Mez> It's a good place to start for a new packager
[03:42] <netzmeister> hm
[03:42] <netzmeister> what is a debian native package?
[03:43] <Mez> netzmeister, have a read of this
[03:43] <Mez> http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2001/01/msg00201.html
[03:43] <Mez> it gives a good bit of info as to what it is
[03:44] <Mez> sorry
[03:45] <Mez> http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html
[03:45] <Mez> not the aboved
[03:45] <Mez> http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html#packaging
[03:45] <Mez> grr
[03:45] <Mez> what si wrong with me today
[03:46] <Mez> look for "What is the difference between a native Debian package and a non-native package?"
[03:47] <ajmitch> netzmeister: you should not build-depend on a library package, but the development headers instead
[03:47] <netzmeister> ajmitch:  you mean the libwxgtk...?
[03:48] <ajmitch> yes
[03:48] <netzmeister> k changed
[03:48] <netzmeister> version is also changed
[03:49] <netzmeister> hmm should i delete the .svn dirs?
[03:55] <netzmeister> Mez:  Do you delete the files again?
[03:56] <Mez> netzmeister, no ...
[03:56] <Mez> they're in REVU
[03:56] <Mez> ajmitch, did you nuke?
[03:56] <netzmeister> hm and how du i update?
[03:58] <LaserJock> netzmeister: hallo
[03:59] <LaserJock> netzmeister: Ich sehe Ihre Antriebskraft
[03:59] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  Thats funny.. LOOL
[04:00] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  i try to translate it: "i see your Driving power"
[04:00] <Mez> kinda scary that netzmeister is @source-code.de and \sh is sourcecode.de
[04:00] <netzmeister> hrhr i see it yesterday
[04:01] <netzmeister> ?
[04:01] <ajmitch> probably
[04:02] <netzmeister> do you visit www.source-code.de?
[04:02] <netzmeister> there is more as on sourcecode.de
[04:03] <Mez> hmm
[04:03] <LaserJock> netzmeister: well, I tried to say "I saw your upload"
[04:03] <Mez> the logo sorta looks like my old logo
[04:03] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  ah okay.
[04:04] <netzmeister> Mez:  When i have a update what should i do? the same again... ( dput revu *_source.changes )
[04:05] <Mez> yeah
[04:05] <Mez> though you may need to remove *.upload first
[04:05] <netzmeister> okay.. i have fixed the version and the debian native error..
[04:05] <Mez> do a debuild -S -sa again
[04:05] <netzmeister> yes done
[04:05] <Mez> and then remove the .upload file
[04:06] <netzmeister> okay
[04:06] <Mez> and dput revu *_source.changes again
[04:07] <netzmeister> upload is running..
[04:07] <netzmeister> uhh four o'clock
[04:07] <netzmeister> hmm i'm a little bit tired..
[04:09] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  What time is it?
[04:10] <LaserJock> 7:14 pm here
[04:10] <netzmeister> ??
[04:10] <netzmeister> evening?
[04:10] <LaserJock> yep
[04:11] <netzmeister> no really... LOOL  4:10 am
[04:11] <netzmeister> loool
[04:11] <netzmeister> i know why i am tired
[04:11] <netzmeister> hrhr
[04:11] <Mez> date: unrecognized option `--utv'
[04:11] <Mez> Try `date --help' for more information.
[04:11] <Mez> Sat Mar  4 03:11:32 UTC 2006
[04:11] <Mez> lol
[04:11] <netzmeister> LaserJock:  Where are you come from?
[04:11] <netzmeister> US or Australia?
[04:11] <LaserJock> Nevada, US
[04:12] <netzmeister> k
[04:12] <netzmeister> Mez you are England?
[04:12] <ajmitch> netzmeister: why would you think australia? :)
[04:14] <Mez> netzmeister, yes
[04:14] <netzmeister> k
[04:15] <netzmeister> ajmitch:  i dont know.. im not sure with continent is +hours or -hours
[04:15] <netzmeister> :)
[04:15] <netzmeister> Mez:  Upload finished
[04:15] <ajmitch> netzmeister: aha :)
[04:16] <hub> netzmeister: +6 is america east coast
[04:16] <bmonty> anyone know anything about the meta-ul packages?  Is it a bad thing if I change the packages it installs to packages that exist in ubuntu?
[04:16] <ajmitch> netzmeister: I'm (currently) in australia
[04:16] <hub> netzmeister: I meant -6
[04:16] <hub> ajmitch: I thought you were .nw?
[04:16] <LaserJock> hub: probably more like -5
[04:16] <hub> ajmitch: I thought you were .nz?
[04:16] <hub> LaserJock: compared to .de
[04:16] <LaserJock> oh
[04:16] <hub> LaserJock: -6 compared to .de
[04:16] <hub> LaserJock: that is his reference
[04:17] <hub> LaserJock: you are -2 from me
[04:17] <ajmitch> hub: that's why I said (currently)
[04:17] <hub> ajmitch: yeah I got that
[04:17] <netzmeister> hub you are from france..
[04:17] <ajmitch> just here doing a job
[04:17] <netzmeister> where exactly?
[04:18] <hub> netzmeister: I'm in Canada
[04:18] <netzmeister> ups
[04:18] <hub> netzmeister: I'm French however :-)
[04:18] <netzmeister> ah okay..
[04:18] <netzmeister> I'm in Germany hehe
[04:18] <netzmeister> Blackforrest..
[04:20] <hub> netzmeister: near France? :-)
[04:22] <netzmeister> yes
[04:22] <netzmeister> 2 Miles from France
[04:25] <netzmeister> how can i change my password in revu?
[04:25] <netzmeister> login pw?
[04:26] <bmonty> I don't think REVU lets you change your pw
[04:26] <netzmeister> k
[04:26] <netzmeister> so i'm out.. my eyes burning..
[04:26] <netzmeister> cu later..
[04:26] <netzmeister> bye bye
[04:42] <LaserJock> anybody know how to mark a bug as duplicate in Debian's BTS? I accidentally sent the same email twice :(
[04:44] <ajmitch> merge the bugs
[04:44] <ajmitch> crap
[04:45] <ajmitch> nautilus died & took out my copy operation
[04:47] <ajmitch> my desktop is getting very cluttered with downloaded files now
[04:47] <ajmitch> hi hobbsee
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[04:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: can you merge from reportbug?
[04:48] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no, do you need to?
[04:48] <ajmitch> there's a tool used bts for developers to use
[04:51] <LaserJock> reportbug is the only thing I know, I'll check around
[04:51] <ajmitch> as I said, use bts :)
[04:51] <ajmitch> I really mean 'tool called bts'
[04:51] <ajmitch> not 'tool used bts'
[04:51] <bmonty> good night everyone
[04:53] <LaserJock> ajmitch: oh, ok ;-)
[04:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: either that or I blame the australians :)
[04:56] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: why pick on me, and not one of the 500K other kiwis here? ;)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because you're here and talking, and therefore looking suss.
[04:56] <ajmitch> wasn't me
[04:56] <Hobbsee> :P sure
[04:56] <ajmitch> just because I did the networking & security course at uni last year..
[04:57] <ajmitch> we chased him away
[04:58] <ajmitch> hopefully the electronics lecturer will let me catch up on assignments when I get back next week
[04:58] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: are you in the final year of your degree there?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: first year :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> i wrote some stuff in c++ yesterday :D
[05:00] <ajmitch> ah ok
[05:01] <ajmitch> my condolences
[05:01] <ajmitch> not only do you have to do C++, you also have long years of study ahead :)
[05:58] <psusi> anyone remember how to get emacs to insert a literal hard tab, rather than auto indent the line?
[08:14] <LaserJock> argghh, I really have problems with the Debian BTS :(
[08:18] <LaserJock> as much as I find LP to have a difficult UI it is much easier for me than than Debian
[08:27] <minghua> LaserJock: what was your problem?
[08:28] <Lathiat> yeh debians BTS sucks
[08:28] <Lathiat> unless you get all the emails
[08:28] <Lathiat> from the start
[08:28] <Lathiat> its a PITA to import them etc
[08:28] <Lathiat> and try remember all the commands
[08:29] <G0SUB> you can always use reportbug
[08:30] <LaserJock> I accidently made duplicate bugs, and then I tried to merge them. Don't know if that worked. And then it put in a bunch of stuff that isn't necessarily right
[08:30] <Lathiat> reporting a bug is fine
[08:32] <minghua> Lathiat: what problem do you have with the "View this report as an mbox folder" link at the top of each bug report?
[08:32] <LaserJock> I often report a bug on a different machine than the bug is on, since I don't use my Ubuntu machine for email
[08:33] <LaserJock> it makes it difficult to use an entirely email based system
[08:34] <minghua> LaserJock: yeah, I suppose that's inconvenient.  but "reportbug -o output-file" helps
[08:34] <LaserJock> minghua: yeah, that is how I got duplicate bugs
[08:34] <minghua> huh? LaserJock, why?
[08:38] <zakame> hi MOTUs
[08:39] <LaserJock> minghua: cause I tried sending it with reportbug but it didn't seem to work and then I tried sending it with my regular email so then a couple hours later I had 2 bugs :-)
[08:41] <LaserJock> so then I tried to use bts to merge them, who know's if that worked
[08:41] <LaserJock> and it automatically put all the Dapper package info in even though I'm trying to report it for Debian
[08:41] <minghua> LaserJock: hey, you should use "reportbug -o" in the first place :-P
[08:42] <LaserJock> well, I guess so but I didn't know that
[08:42] <minghua> and merging bugs should be just a two-line email to control@bugs.debian.org
[08:42] <LaserJock> what do I do with it after, can I just cut-n-paste it into an email
[08:43] <minghua> LaserJock: yes
[08:44] <minghua> LaserJock: with mutt I suppose "mutt -i file" is easier
[08:44] <LaserJock> I don't have mutt, I actually usually use mail.app in OSX
[08:44] <LaserJock> but I'll give it another go
[08:45] <LaserJock> I'm just frustrated that it is so email based
[08:45] <minghua> draging the file to the Mail.app icon, maybe?
[08:45] <minghua> LaserJock: well, I heard that's because Debian BTS predates WWW...
[08:45] <crimsun> what, bts or reportbug or both? e-mail's the sensible way.
[08:45] <LaserJock> sure, I can understand that
[08:45] <minghua> or at least before www became popular
[08:46] <LaserJock> I just can't seem to get the hang of it and then it just looks like I'm incompetent
[08:47] <LaserJock> the delay is also killing me
[08:47] <LaserJock> I just can't tell if anything worked
[08:47] <LaserJock> I have to wait a few hours
[08:48] <minghua> the mails to submit@bugs.debian.org are processed by a 15-minute cron job, not sure about control@b.d.o though
[08:49] <minghua> but can only be faster
[08:49] <minghua> so a few hours sounds wrong...
[08:51] <LaserJock> I guess I'm just spoiled by learning Ubuntu first and then going to debian
[08:53] <zakame> haha
[08:53] <LaserJock> maybe I just need to learn how to do the email by hand and not use reportbug or bts
[08:56] <LaserJock> so should I get an email when I merge two bugs?
[09:00] <crimsun> the e-mail address listed in the Maintainer field will at least.
[09:01] <LaserJock> but not the emailer?
[09:01] <crimsun> the sender should as well
[09:01] <LaserJock> hmm, well it has been over two hours and I got nothing
[09:01] <LaserJock> I wonder if I should send an email
[09:02] <crimsun> I'd check in 6 hrs; I know I've had delays near that length
[09:02] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[09:02] <crimsun> you can always check the bug report itself
[09:03] <LaserJock> yeah, I don't see any change
[09:04] <LaserJock> although they are from 2 different addresses :(
[09:09] <LaserJock> well, I gotta get to bed. I'll check it in the morning when I'll be in a better mood.
[09:10] <crimsun> night
[10:12] <siretart> greetings from chemnitz! (Linux Tag in progress)
[10:15] <crimsun> hi siretart :)  [apologies for lag in responding to e-mail, recovering from stomach flu] 
[10:17] <siretart> crimsun: oh. I hope you are feeling better now
[10:17] <siretart> no problem
[10:18] <siretart> I'm happy that the development of wpasupplicant gets some action, and that we have a lovely mailing list :)
[10:18] <crimsun> true :)
[10:37] <Tonio_> yop
[10:42] <Gloubiboulga> yop Tonio_
[10:42] <Gloubiboulga> salut pef
[10:43] <Tonio_> salut Gloubi
[10:43] <pef> Gloubiboulga: salut :)
[12:33] <netzmeister> good morning
[12:54] <nomed> hi all
[12:55] <netzmeister> hi
[02:22] <netzmeister> is there a revu admin?
[02:25] <siretart> netzmeister: wassup?
[02:34] <netzmeister> siretart:  nothing. it's okay...
[02:34] <netzmeister> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2095
[02:34] <netzmeister> jippie
[03:21] <Xoritor> ok so it looks like i am going to have to update gnutls
[03:22] <Xoritor> which wont be a bad thing anyways as per... http://www.gnu.org/software/gnutls/security.html
[03:26] <Xoritor> the libgnutls11 version is too old and the libgnutls12 version fixes some things but requires libtasn1-2 0.2.18 but ours is 0.2.17
[03:28] <Xoritor> so instead of going through and bumping too many things ill just have to bump libgnutls to 1.0.25 (latest version)
[03:39] <Xoritor> hmmm
[03:39] <Xoritor> my setup of pbuilder on amd64 keeps failing
[03:40] <bmonty> Xoritor: the pbuilder fails, or the compilation fails?
[03:41] <Xoritor> pbuilder create and pbuilder create --distribution dapper both fail
[03:41] <Xoritor> the actual create of the tarball fails
[03:41] <Xoritor> its pretty ambiguous :-/
[03:41] <bmonty> do you have the dapper version of the pbuilder package?
[03:42] <Xoritor> yep
[03:42] <Xoritor> im running dapper on that box trying to setup pbuilder
[03:43] <bmonty> Xoritor: did you follow the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto?
[03:43] <Xoritor> yep
[03:43] <Xoritor> step by step
[03:43] <Xoritor> worked for my 32bit env
[03:43] <Xoritor> diff box
[03:43] <Xoritor> but dies on my 64bit one
[03:43] <bmonty> try a different archive mirror
[03:43] <zakame> evening all! :D
[03:43] <bmonty> hi zakame
[03:43] <Xoritor> hmm
[03:43] <Xoritor> ok
[03:44] <Xoritor> got a url listing them?  i dont know where to find them
[03:44] <Xoritor> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/30923/. dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb
[03:44] <Xoritor> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[03:44] <bmonty> use archive.ubuntu.com
[03:44] <Xoritor> thats what i am using
[03:44] <viyyer> hello
[03:44] <bmonty> hi viyyer
[03:45] <Xoritor> morning zakame
[03:45] <Xoritor> hi viyyer
[03:45] <viyyer> hi bmonty
[03:45] <bmonty> Xoritor: when I have seen that error, it was because of something messed up in the archive
[03:45] <Xoritor> hmm
[03:45] <viyyer> I am curious.. if a more recent version of m17n-db package will come into dapper
[03:46] <Xoritor> so you think archives.ubuntu.com is messed up?
[03:46] <G0SUB> the current package in breezy & dapper are broken
[03:46] <Xoritor> MIRRORSITE=http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[03:46] <bmonty> viyyer: if it hasn't been updated already it will need an exception request
[03:46] <Xoritor> that anyways
[03:46] <viyyer> bmonty, it hasn't been updated since october
[03:46] <Xoritor> G0SUB, for amd64?
[03:46] <viyyer> this is basic language functionalityhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/m17n-db/+bug/32573
[03:47] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32573 in m17n-db "upstream bugs " [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[03:47] <G0SUB> Xoritor no, not that ... I am talking about the SCIM-m17n bug
[03:47] <viyyer> thanks Ubugtu
[03:47] <viyyer> :)
[03:47] <G0SUB> viyyer that's a bot
[03:47] <viyyer> eh
[03:47] <Xoritor> oh ohoh...sorry
[03:47] <viyyer> who will be packaging it ?
[03:48] <bmonty> viyyer: is there a newer version in debian?
[03:48] <viyyer> bmonty, yes :)
[03:48] <viyyer> as you can see on the link on the bug report
[03:48] <viyyer> oops it's not here it is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349618;msg=10
[03:49] <viyyer> well Ubugtu seems ignorant of debian bug-tracker
[03:49] <Xoritor> bmonty, any ideas on a mirror i could use?
[03:49] <G0SUB> viyyer yes ... only malone
[03:49] <zakame> hi bmonty viyyer Xoritor
[03:50] <viyyer> hi zakame
[03:50] <bmonty> viyyer: well there will have to be a UVF exception granted to update tye package
[03:50] <viyyer> what's a UVF??
[03:50] <bmonty> Xoritor: no, sorry
[03:50] <Xoritor> :-(
[03:50] <G0SUB> Upstream Version Freeze
[03:50] <viyyer> whoever grants it ??
[03:50] <bmonty> viyyer: UVF = upstream version freeze
[03:51] <G0SUB> Amaranth there?
[03:51] <viyyer> well.. it's is very badly due
[03:51] <bmonty> viyyer: if you want to help, please verify that it builds in a dapper environment
[03:51] <bmonty> otherwise, I'll try to put the request together sometime today
[03:51] <Xoritor> could someone tell me what you get from this?
[03:51] <viyyer> my father won't even use it if  he can't type 
[03:52] <Xoritor> libgnutls-config --libs
[03:52] <viyyer> :)
[03:52] <bmonty> Xoritor: flags for gcc to tell it what libs to link with
[03:52] <viyyer> za ia very important as it is the most distinctive part of tamizh..
[03:52] <viyyer> don't say tamil
[03:52] <viyyer> :)
[03:52] <Xoritor> bmonty, i know "what" it is... i want to know what results YOU have
[03:52] <G0SUB> viyyer what doees it say? Thamizha ?
[03:53] <viyyer> yes
[03:53] <G0SUB> hmm
[03:53] <Xoritor> i want to see if just mine is borked or if its borked in all of ubuntu
[03:53] <bmonty> Xoritor: ahh, hold on :)
[03:53] <Xoritor> hehe
[03:54] <bmonty> Xoritor: -L/usr/lib -lgnutls
[03:55] <Xoritor> yea its borked for you too
[03:55] <Xoritor> im guessing its borked for everyone
[03:56] <Xoritor> ie... not liked to the all the right things
[03:56] <G0SUB> bmonty whom do we ask for a UVF Exception?
[03:56] <viyyer> bmonty, what's the next step?
[03:57] <zakame> G0SUB: iirc only TB and TB-approved people can approve an UVF exception
[03:58] <G0SUB> TB ?
[03:58] <viyyer> what is TB ???
[03:58] <zakame> (e.g., Kamion, dholbach, siretart iirc)
[03:58] <zakame> (if I'm not mistaken, I haven't requested an exception myself)
[03:58] <G0SUB> yeah, I was looking for dholbach
[03:58] <zakame> viyyer: Technical Board
[03:58] <viyyer> zakame, please... tell me where is the glossary of ubuntu terminology :)
[03:58] <bmonty> viyyer, G0SUB: 1. verify that the latest version of the debian package builds on dapper 2. create a diff between the old and new versions 3. create a UVF exception request in malone
[03:58] <G0SUB> viyyer that's basic debian terminology ... UVF, etc. but TB is new :)
[03:58] <zakame> viyyer: I don't know myself, I just pick those acronyms up as I go along ;)
[03:59] <G0SUB> bmonty fine ... will do that
[03:59] <viyyer> G0SUB, let's get the debian package and rebuild for dapper :)
[03:59] <bmonty> if you guys can verify the package builds and create the diff, I'll create the UVF request
[03:59] <G0SUB> viyyer I have a dapper pbuilder base.tgz
[03:59] <viyyer> zakame, I remember sabdfl talking about technical board at our lug get together
[04:00] <bmonty> the instructions to create a UVF request came out in the ubuntu-motu list a couple of days ago if you want to do that as well
[04:00] <viyyer> G0SUB, you r0ck
[04:00] <G0SUB> viyyer :)
[04:00] <viyyer> bmonty, that will be helpful
[04:00] <zakame> bmonty: by this time it would be called an FF exception ;)
[04:00] <bmonty> zakame: no, it is still a UVF exception
[04:01] <viyyer> zakame, what in the holy &^$#! is FF exception?
[04:01] <viyyer> eh.. feature freeze??
[04:01] <G0SUB> Feature Freeze
[04:01] <zakame> ah
[04:04] <zakame> viyyer: no prob with that, it's not legal C code anyhow :P
[04:04] <G0SUB> viyyer okay, let's get the thing started
[04:04] <Xoritor> is malone browseable?
[04:05] <G0SUB> Xoritor of course
[04:05] <Xoritor> link?
[04:05] <Xoritor> please
[04:05] <viyyer> G0SUB, how can I build ubuntu packages on debian . any clues??
[04:05] <zakame> Xoritor: of course, see https://launchpad.net/malone/
[04:05] <G0SUB> viyyer pbuilder
[04:06] <Xoritor> zakame, thx
[04:17] <bmonty> viyyer, G0SUB:  what bug does upgrading m17n-db fix?
[04:17] <viyyer> bmonty, to be able to type in all characters in tamil
[04:18] <bmonty> viyyer: you have the debian version installed and you have verified that it solves the problem?
[04:18] <viyyer> bmonty, yes I can certify that
[04:25] <viyyer> hi .. can anyone help me with a dapper pbuilder base.tgz??
[04:26] <viyyer> I need for building on my etch/sid box
[04:26] <bmonty> viyyer: look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[04:27] <G0SUB> bmonty afaict, the pbuilder create [dapper]  failed in my case
[04:28] <bmonty> if you are running debian, you will probably have to create a base.tgz using a debian distribution, then change the sources.list for ubuntu and use pbuilder update --override-config
[04:28] <nomed> how can i check if a pkge that's not in ubuntu already exists in debian ?
[04:29] <bmonty> nomed: go to pde.debian.net and search for it
[04:29] <nomed> or it's been pkged in debian but it doesn't still appear in apt
[04:29] <nomed> bmonty, thanks
[04:29] <bmonty> nomed: er...pdo.debian.net
[04:30] <azeem> packages.debian.org is back up, btw
[04:30] <azeem> except for changelogs
[04:31] <bmonty> azeem: thanks
[04:32] <bmonty> viyyer, G0SUB: see Malone #33706
[04:32] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33706 in m17n-db "UVF exception request" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33706
[04:32] <G0SUB> bmonty awesome. thanks a lot :)
[04:34] <viyyer> bmonty, does that mean it's done??
[04:34] <G0SUB> viyyer you still need to confirm the build success
[04:35] <bmonty> viyyer: no, it needs to be approved for a UVF exception and then synced from debian into ubuntu
[04:35] <bmonty> I already confirmed that it builds on dapper
[04:35] <G0SUB> bmonty great then
[04:36] <viyyer> bmonty, when will the UVF team be available?
[04:36] <viyyer> any mailing list?
[04:36] <bmonty> viyyer: they'll get to it, don't worry :)
[04:37] <viyyer> bmonty, you rock :)
[04:37] <bmonty> viyyer: :)
[04:37] <bmonty> be back in a bit
[04:38] <G0SUB> viyyer I told you ... see how they rock?
[04:42] <siretart> viyyer: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus
[04:43] <viyyer> siretart, hope everything is in place for a UVF now ??
[04:44] <viyyer> siretart, Malone #33706
[04:44] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33706 in m17n-db "UVF exception request" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33706
[04:45] <siretart> viyyer: will review that when I find some time. I'm at a conference right now
[04:46] <bmonty> siretart: is the install log that is mentioned in the email the output from piuparts?
[04:47] <siretart> bmonty: at your choice. what you find convinient
[04:48] <bmonty> siretart: ok
[04:51] <Xoritor> is there a dh_ tool to use when "updating" someone elses package to a new version?
[04:51] <Xoritor> ie... dh_make makes the debian directory
[04:52] <Xoritor> i used apt-get source <package> to get the sources
[04:52] <Xoritor> downloaded the updated version
[04:52] <Xoritor> moved the debian directory from the old sources to the new sources
[04:52] <Xoritor> now i want to fix the control, changelog, etc... to reflect the "version bump"
[04:52] <bmonty> Xoritor: just update the changelog with debchange -i
[04:53] <Xoritor> beautiful!
[04:53] <bmonty> hi Kyral
[04:58] <Xoritor> hmm
[04:59] <Xoritor> libgnutls11 1.0.16-14ubuntu1
[04:59] <Xoritor> i want to bump that to 1.0.25
[04:59] <Xoritor> would it be 1.0.25-1ubuntu1
[04:59] <Xoritor> or
[04:59] <Xoritor> would it be 1.0.25-0ubuntu1
[04:59] <azeem> the latter
[04:59] <Xoritor> 1.0.25-1ubuntu1
[05:00] <bmonty> Xoritor: does 1.0.25 exist in debian?
[05:00] <Xoritor> no
[05:00] <Xoritor> so yes
[05:00] <Xoritor> the latter
[05:00] <Xoritor> azeem, sorry read that wrong
[05:00] <Xoritor> libgnutls11-1.0.25-0ubuntu1 then
[05:00] <azeem> what do you need libgnutls for?
[05:00] <Xoritor> prelude
[05:00] <azeem> the new version, I mean
[05:01] <Xoritor> and the libgnutls is b0rked
[05:01] <Xoritor> its not linked to things it should be linked to
[05:01] <azeem> bug number?
[05:01] <Xoritor> i have not filed one
[05:02] <Xoritor> i was just going to fix it and see if it works first
[05:02] <Xoritor> ;-)
[05:02] <azeem> smurf maintains it, who is both active in Debian and Ubuntu AFAIK
[05:02] <azeem> Xoritor: oh, ok
[05:02] <azeem> Xoritor: but take care before uploading anything, I'd say
[05:02] <Xoritor> if i can submit a bug with the fix i feel better
[05:02] <azeem> gnutls11 has a pile of reverse-depends
[05:02] <Xoritor> -L/usr/lib -lgnutls -L/usr/lib -ltasn1 -lgcrypt -lgpg-error
[05:02] <Xoritor> thats what libgnutls-config SHOULD look like
[05:02] <Xoritor> well
[05:03] <Xoritor> libgnutls-config --libs
[05:03] <azeem> what does it look like right now?
[05:03] <Xoritor> but it looks like this now.. -L/usr/lib -lgnutls
[05:04] <Xoritor> well the second  -L/usr/lib is not needed... but the other stuff -ltasn1 -lgcrypt -lgpg-error is
[05:04] <Xoritor> if those are not there then things may not work right
[05:05] <Xoritor> all all those things that depend on gnutls may be broken (or they may work... but maybe not correctly)
[05:05] <azeem> did you check the changelog for why this is maybe?
[05:06] <azeem> there are many libraries/programs depending on libgnutls, so my guess is rather you have a program which does not use it correctly
[05:06] <Xoritor> -L/usr/lib -lgnutls -lgcrypt -lgpg-error -lz
[05:06] <Xoritor> thats what it looks like on FC and RHEL
[05:06] <Xoritor> gentoo, lunar, etc... look about the same
[05:07] <Xoritor> nomed, i would bother to guess that gnutls is not built correctly in ubuntu (i dont have a straight debian install)
[05:07] <Xoritor> err... s/nomed/no
[05:07] <azeem> root@beethoven:/# libgnutls-config --libs
[05:07] <azeem> -L/usr/lib -lgnutls
[05:07] <Xoritor> right
[05:07] <azeem> that's on Debian GNU/Hurd, though
[05:08] <Xoritor> and that is not correct either
[05:08] <azeem> root@beethoven:/# objdump -x  /usr/lib/libgnutls.so | grep NEED
[05:08] <azeem>   NEEDED      libtasn1.so.2
[05:08] <azeem>   NEEDED      libz.so.1
[05:08] <azeem>   NEEDED      libgcrypt.so.11
[05:08] <azeem>   NEEDED      libgpg-error.so.0
[05:08] <azeem> I tend to agree
[05:08] <Xoritor> everything i have read says you have to have those NEEDED things and they are not in ubuntu/debian
[05:09] <Xoritor> so everything linked to libgnutls is possibly horribly broken
[05:09] <Xoritor> and libgnutls11 is at a very old version
[05:09] <azeem> ah, gnutls has a .pc file now
[05:09] <Xoritor> what version?
[05:10] <Xoritor> 1.2.9?
[05:10] <Xoritor> or 1.0.16
[05:10] <azeem> 1.2.9-2
[05:10] <Xoritor> and 1.0.16 should be updated to 1.0.25 for security fixes
[05:10] <Xoritor> cause lots of stuff still use 1.0x
[05:10] <Xoritor> i was not going to even start to look at the 1.2x stuff
[05:10] <Xoritor> ;-)
[05:10] <Xoritor> heh
[05:10] <azeem> oh, where does 1.0.16 come from?
[05:11] <Xoritor> libgnutls11
[05:11] <Xoritor> libgnutls12 is 1.2.9
[05:11] <Xoritor> and libgnutls-dev is 1.2.9
[05:11] <azeem> right
[05:11] <Xoritor> and conflicts with libgnutls11-dev
[05:11] <azeem> so there's no libgnutls-config --libs for 1.0.16?
[05:11] <Xoritor> no
[05:11] <azeem> or rather, you cannot build against it
[05:11] <Xoritor> right
[05:11] <azeem> so that part of your argument is mood :)
[05:12] <azeem> 17:03 < Q_> azeem: -lgnutls is the right thing.
[05:12] <Xoritor> you have to remove libgnutls-dev and install libgnutls11-dev
[05:12] <azeem> 17:03 < Q_> azeem: The rest of those should are things needed by gnutls itself, and are in the DT_NEEDED, as they should.
[05:12] <azeem> Xoritor: ah
[05:12] <azeem> so the bottom line is, the linker should figure that out
[05:13] <Xoritor> where is DT_NEEDED
[05:13] <Xoritor> ?
[05:13] <azeem> Xoritor: what does objdump -x  /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.11 | grep NEED say?
[05:13] <Xoritor>   NEEDED      libgcrypt.so.11
[05:13] <Xoritor>   NEEDED      libgpg-error.so.0
[05:13] <Xoritor>   NEEDED      libz.so.1
[05:13] <Xoritor>   NEEDED      libc.so.6
[05:13] <Xoritor>   SONAME      libgnutls.so.11
[05:13] <Xoritor> that part?
[05:13] <azeem> yep
[05:13] <Xoritor> what part are you wanting?
[05:13] <azeem> Xoritor: can you point at an actual build error due to this?
[05:14] <Xoritor> yes
[05:14] <Xoritor> welll
[05:14] <Xoritor> libprelude wont build because libgnutls11 is too old
[05:14] <azeem> so it needs additional symbols added after 1.0.16?
[05:15] <Xoritor> wait one and ill tell you what that exact message is
[05:17] <netzmeister> Someone can look here please..
[05:17] <netzmeister> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096
[05:21] <Xoritor> http://pastebin.com/583647
[05:22] <Xoritor> and if i use the 1.2.9 version i get other errors (it will take a while to get to that point)
[05:22] <Xoritor> my machine compiles pretty slow
[05:22] <Xoritor> p3 450 (only 32 bit machine i have anymore)
[05:23] <Xoritor> and pbuilder create dies when trying to setup in my 64 bit dapper
[05:24] <azeem> well, I'd rather try 1.2.x if I were you
[05:24] <Xoritor> i would too!
[05:24] <Xoritor> heh
[05:24] <Xoritor> ill show the errors i get from that in a bit
[05:24] <azeem> or talk with smurf about upgrading gnutls11, but see e.g. Debian bug #328686
[05:24] <Ubugtu> debian bug 328686 in gnutls11 "Requesting upstream release of 1.0.22 or later" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/328686
[05:24] <azeem> "168 days old."
[05:25] <Xoritor> and its caused by libgnutls not being linked correctly (as per the dev of prelude)
[05:25] <azeem> does prelude use libtool?
[05:25] <Xoritor> yes im pretty sure it does...
[05:26] <Xoritor> Implement workaround for buggy libtool that will fail
[05:26] <Xoritor> from the changelog
[05:26] <Xoritor> oh
[05:27] <Xoritor> and this ONLY fails in the pbuilder chroot
[05:27] <azeem> then maybe you're missing another -dev
[05:27] <Xoritor> azeem, it works fine if i just do ./configure && make
[05:27] <Xoritor> thats what i thought too
[05:27] <Xoritor> but damned if i can find what it is
[05:27] <azeem> debian bug #347438
[05:27] <azeem> Ubugtu: pfft
[05:27] <azeem> Debian bug #347438
[05:28] <Xoritor> heh
[05:28] <azeem> it's a shot in the dark, but maybe you're missing this
[05:28] <azeem> Xoritor: or you could convince the prelude developer to use pkg-config, rather, that might work better than libgnutls-config --libs
[05:30] <Xoritor> http://pastebin.com/583660
[05:30] <Xoritor> and i have as my depends
[05:30] <Xoritor> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), autotools-dev, libgpg-error-dev, libgcrypt-dev, libgnutls-dev
[05:30] <azeem> can you paste the link line as well?
[05:31] <azeem> ah
[05:32] <azeem> 17:20 [OPN]  -Ubugtu(n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas)- Error: Could not parse data returned by Debian bugtracker: need more than 1 value to unpack
[05:32] <Xoritor> http://pastebin.com/583667
[05:33] <Xoritor> ?
[05:34] <azeem> so it seems as if prelude uses gcrypt functions directly
[05:34] <h01ger> hi - can anybody please tell me, if "cfengine --help" segfaults in breezy or dapper? (you probably would need to install cfengine first..)
[05:34] <azeem> so it should link to gcrypt directly
[05:35] <netzmeister> h01ger:  okay i try..
[05:36] <netzmeister> jep, segfault
[05:37] <h01ger> ah :-( thx, netzmeister
[05:38] <netzmeister> h01ger:  np
[05:38] <h01ger> so "fix commited" in https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cfengine/+bug/6624 doesnt mean it's fixed ?
[05:38] <Ubugtu> malone bug 6624 in cfengine "Segmentation Fault " [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[05:39] <netzmeister> h01ger:  i use dapper
[05:40] <Xoritor> azeem, so the dev uses libgnutls-config --libs to find gcrypt
[05:40] <Xoritor> and you are saying he should link directly to it
[05:40] <Xoritor> instead?
[05:40] <azeem> h01ger: I /think/ he means it got committed upstream
[05:42] <h01ger> azeem, upstream is dead
[05:42] <azeem> oh :)
[05:42] <h01ger> rather switched to cfengine2
[05:42] <azeem> Xoritor: he should not rely on gnutls to tell him how to link to gcrypt
[05:42] <h01ger> not dead :)
[05:43] <azeem> Xoritor: it seems he is lucky that the other distributions are lazy to expose those libraries in libgnutls-config --libs, but I think relying on it is not alright if he actually uses gcrypt in his code
[05:45] <Xoritor> azeem, can i invite you and the prelude dev to a chan to talk about this?
[05:45] <Xoritor> you 2 have very different views
[05:45] <azeem> why do they not use pkg-config?
[05:45] <netzmeister> can anybody take a look here please..
[05:45] <netzmeister> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096
[05:46] <azeem> Xoritor: I am going home in a couple of minutes, so I'd rather not have a lenghty discussion about it...
[05:46] <Xoritor> ok
[05:46] <Xoritor> well pkg-config is not an acceptable dependancy for him
[05:47] <azeem> Xoritor: where can I download the prelude source?
[05:47] <Xoritor> http://www.prelude-ids.org
[05:47] <Xoritor> it will build and run with ./configure && make
[05:47] <Xoritor> but it wont in pbuilder
[05:47] <Xoritor> so test it with that
[05:48] <Xoritor> here i quote his reasons for not wanting to use that as a dep
[05:48] <Xoritor> "just try to explain him that library does not export their dependencies for gratuitous sake"
[05:48] <Xoritor> "if a library doesn't correctly export it's dependencies can lead to a number of failure"
[05:49] <Xoritor> "especially when using static linking where all symbols, and their ordering, are meaningful"
[05:51] <azeem> Xoritor: from src/prelude-client.c:
[05:51] <azeem> #include <gcrypt.h>
[05:51] <azeem> #include <gnutls/gnutls.h>
[05:51] <azeem> so it is *not* a dependency, he uses gcrypt
[05:52] <Xoritor> im not a coder really... what do you me to say?
[05:52] <azeem> I don't know exactly, sorry
[05:53] <Xoritor> ok... and from him again
[05:53] <Xoritor> "just to give the maintainer a point, it's true we could manually specify -lgcrypt since we use one symbol from it"
[05:53] <Xoritor> "but that's irrelevant"
[05:53] <Xoritor> "since there is a bug more important than this"
[05:53] <azeem> two false don't make one right
[05:54] <Xoritor> "which is that libgnutls should export it's dependencies (and it does, but whatever package you are using kill this ability)"
[05:54] <Xoritor> im just trying to make this a package that will work...
[05:54] <azeem> libgnutls exports its *run-time* dependencies in its .so via DT_NEEDED, see above, and the linker will get that right
[05:54] <Xoritor> 2 diff views on it
[05:54] <azeem> but this is build tiem
[05:54] <azeem> time
[05:55] <azeem> Xoritor: as a data point, there is a lot of packages using gnutls in Debian/Ubuntu, and they all build fine
[05:55] <Xoritor> "explain him that his attitude kill ability for any package using GnuTLS to link statically"
[05:55] <azeem> Xoritor: you could try to ask in #ubuntu-devel to get somebdoy more authorative than me to comment on this
[05:55] <Xoritor> ok
[05:55] <Xoritor> im sorry
[05:55] <Xoritor> :-(
[05:55] <Xoritor> i just want it to work
[05:56] <Xoritor> and between the 2 of you it looks like it may not
[05:57] <azeem> as a work-around you could just add -lgrypt to src/Makefile.am's libprelude_la_LIBADD line
[05:57] <Xoritor> then what do i put in the debian/control Build-Depends: to get pbuilder to build it right?
[05:58] <azeem> that is independent, you'd need libgrypt-dev there, but I think you have that already?
[05:58] <Xoritor> cause it works just fine from the manual cli ./configure && make
[05:58] <Xoritor> but it does not work in pbuilder
[05:58] <Xoritor> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), autotools-dev, libgpg-error-dev, libgcrypt-dev, libgnutls-dev
[05:58] <Xoritor> yea
[05:58] <Xoritor> :-(
[05:58] <azeem> I don't know why it just works without pbuilder
[05:58] <azeem> do you use additional configure options with pbuilder?
[05:59] <Xoritor> no
[05:59] <Xoritor> pdebuild
[05:59] <Xoritor> actually
[05:59] <Xoritor> should i?
[06:00] <azeem> no, just wondering
[06:07] <Xoritor> what can i do?
[06:11] <nomed> can anyone confirm that libtextcat is not in ubuntu ?
[06:11] <nomed> i can't find it .. and i'm not sure if it can have a different name
[06:23] <Xoritor> yay!
[06:24] <Xoritor> i think we will have the fix of him linking to libgcrypt!
[06:24] <Xoritor> woot!
[06:26] <raphink> can't find it either nomed
[06:26] <nomed> raphink, thanks
[06:28] <netzmeister> hi raphink
[06:28] <netzmeister> raphink:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096  ;-)
[06:47] <gouchi> Hi
[07:12] <netzmeister> wb raphink
[07:14] <raphink> ty
[07:22] <netzmeister> raphink:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096  ;-)
[07:29] <highvoltage> is ubuntu/apt/dpkg OK with packages with lots of little files? if i create a  4GB package with lots of 40k files, will that make apt slower or more clunky after installing that package? or is apt clever enough to deal with it?
[07:29] <highvoltage> hi, btw
[07:51] <netzmeister> highvoltage:  w00t? 4GB wth is that? ;-)
[07:52] <ogra> highvoltage, if you make a 4G package people will start followong you through dark nights and hit you over the head in even darker corners ...
[07:52] <highvoltage> lol :)
[07:52] <ogra> apart from that you'll need ages to upload a change :)
[07:52] <highvoltage> netzmeister: this is for the wikipedia images
[07:53] <highvoltage> i don't intend to distribute on mass scale
[07:53] <netzmeister> wow, nice
[07:53] <highvoltage> i just want to move away from the old, hacky way of just copying files in tuxlabs like we curently do, and get everything in apt.
[07:53] <ogra> techically it shouldnt be a problem
[07:53] <highvoltage> although, wikipedia doesn't seem very packagable :)
[07:54] <netzmeister> i think nobody have made tests with 4 GB packages..
[07:54] <highvoltage> i have a database package already. the database is 1.2GB large, but it compresses nicely to 527MB.
[07:54] <highvoltage> i have the first 4GB package ready, the second one is building now. i indtedn to put it on 2x dvd's
[07:54] <highvoltage> i'm just wondering if the "reading database...." will take slower for apt after that.
[07:54] <highvoltage> i supposee i'll find out shortly :)
[07:56] <netzmeister> *g*
[07:56] <netzmeister> segfault ;-)
[07:58] <highvoltage> i did run out of space on / while trying to make the first one. what's strange though, is that dpkg -b uses some space outside of /tmp or my current or home directory to build the package. couldn't figure out where though.
[07:58] <highvoltage> in that same period, my cups log file also mysteriously grew to 2.1GB. very strange.
[08:03] <netzmeister> uhh..
[08:09] <Xoritor> how do i get pdebuild to apply a patch?
[08:14] <bmonty> Xoritor: pbuilder doesn't apply patches, you need to use one of the patch systems
[08:14] <Xoritor> bmonty, such as?
[08:14] <bmonty> Xoritor: cdbs, dpatch, dbs
[08:14] <Xoritor> which is preferred?
[08:15] <jpat|away> or the normal diff
[08:16] <jpat|away> Xoritor: your choice
[08:16] <bmonty> Xoritor: I prefer dpatch, but it is really your choice
[08:18] <Xoritor> so apply the patch to the sources then use pbuilder?
[08:18] <bmonty> Xoritor: you can do that also
[08:18] <Xoritor> heh
[08:18] <Xoritor> ok
[08:19] <bmonty> cdbs, dpatch, etc.  allow you to control how patches are applied and it also makes it easier to track changes from the upstream source
[08:28] <highvoltage> for what it's worth, i installed the two 4GB .debs.
[08:28] <highvoltage> and it didn't make anything slower.
[08:28] <highvoltage> when i installed, dpkg said "(Reading database ... 120472 files and directories currently installed.)"
[08:29] <highvoltage> now it says "(Reading database ... 266169 files and directories currently installed.)" when i install somethign afterwards
[08:30] <highvoltage> 10 years ago, my 386 with windows 3.1 only had a total of 1000 files on the entire disk. i used to think that's a lot :)
[08:42] <psusi> hehehe, yea
[08:47] <psusi> is 23,018 messages a lot to have in one mailbox since jan 1? ;)
[08:48] <highvoltage> psusi: not if you're subscirbed to ubuntu-users :)
[08:50] <psusi> ubuntu-users only has 16,443 messages and that's from 10/12/2005
[09:15] <Xoritor> ok so that does not seem to have worked
[09:15] <Xoritor> can i "stop" pdebuilder and check what its doing?
[09:22] <Xoritor> well... i figured that out
[09:22] <Xoritor> my patch did get in
[09:26] <raphink> siretart: ping
[10:03] <netzmeister> revu admins on board?
[10:13] <raphink> netzmeister: what's the issue?
[10:21] <netzmeister> ah..
[10:21] <netzmeister> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2096
[10:21] <netzmeister> :-)
[10:46] <Xoritor> yay!
[10:46] <Xoritor> it worked
[10:46] <Xoritor> it worked!
[10:46] <netzmeister> :)
[10:46] <Xoritor> now i just have to get pbuilder working in x86_64
[10:46] <Xoritor> :-D
[10:48] <Xoritor> azeem, i got a patch from the dev and it works now!
[11:16] <netzmeister> Kyral:  a good idea..
[11:16] <Kyral> mm?
[11:17] <netzmeister> plz tell us when it works. ;-)
[11:17] <netzmeister> Xen
[11:17] <Kyral> Well, my server is running the Domain0 Kernel right now
[11:17] <Kyral> I'm just building the Debian Sarge images that will become the XenGuests
[11:18] <Kyral> HowtoForge has a nice article on it
[11:19] <Kyral> I kinda can't escape Xen
[11:19] <Kyral> <--- Goes to Clarkson University
[11:19] <netzmeister> that means?
[11:19] <netzmeister> lol
[11:19] <Kyral> I guess you haven't read the Ubuntu-Users ML recently
[11:19] <netzmeister> no..
[11:19] <netzmeister> link?
[11:20] <Kyral> Guy who graduated last year is responsible for the Xen packages for Breezy
[11:20] <Kyral> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-March/068728.html
[11:20] <Kyral> thats the beginning of the thread
[11:21] <Kyral> and the two heads of COSI are really active with Xen as well
[11:23] <Kyral> Can't wait to try a Live Migration
[11:32] <Xoritor> so i have built libprelude (the right version that i need) and now i want to build snort using MY new lib prelude... how can i get pbuilder to use mine instead of the one supplied?
[11:33] <Xoritor> --extrapackages ??
[11:33] <crimsun> if you want to do that, you have to add your own libprelude to an apt repo, then have your pbuilder update from it
[11:34] <Xoritor> hmm
[11:34] <Xoritor> looks like thats it
[11:34] <Xoritor> thx crimsun
[11:34] <Xoritor> time for a nap now though
[11:35] <crimsun> otherwise pbuilder login, copy over the deb, install it, copy over snort source, and build it