[12:18] <doko> Riddell: openoffice.org-kde on amd64?
[01:32] <Tm_T> is there any way to check what is some process doing? or why it's running or something
[01:33] <Tm_T> bah, did "killall python" -> ~15 processes down
[01:54] <hunger> Tm_T: Dprobe... if you were on solaris.
[01:54] <hunger> Really nice system... too bad the license is not compatible with linux.
[10:24] <Lure> _Sime: are you there?
[10:24] <_Sime> yep!
[10:24] <Lure> is there any workaround for people that would like to set DPI manually
[10:25] <Lure> until manual setting will be available trough guidance?
[10:26] <Lure> see this request: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=139696
[10:26] <_Sime> ummm... how messy can it be?
[10:27] <_Sime> you could manually edit the .py file that sets the DPI...
[10:28] <_Sime> or insert your own script into /etc/X11/Xsessions.d/
[10:28] <_Sime> a script might be cleaner.
[10:29] <_Sime> the script then needs to call xrdb to set Xft.DPI.
[10:29] <_Sime> that will fix the DPI for GTK and Qt programs
[10:29] <Lure> is adding manual DPI setting now planned for Dapper or not (due to FF)?
[10:29] <_Sime> I don't know about anything else that runs on Xubuntu.
[10:29] <_Sime> I'm not planning on adding it for Dapper due to FF. BUT!
[10:30] <_Sime> if enough people wanted it, and if Riddel said so, I could probably add it.
[10:31] <_Sime> Wine 0.9.9 just was released... :/
[10:31] <Tm_T> hmm hmm hmm
[10:31] <Lure> I personally do not need it, as I agree with allee that DPI should be detected
[10:32] <Lure> but there is quite some disussion in forums about the changes
[10:32] <Lure> see also this one:
[10:32] <Lure> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=134542
[10:32] <Lure> (however this one is just "fix your font size" issue)
[10:36] <_Sime> 11pt is a big font really. Everyone has a different opinion about how big fonts should be. People are just going to have to tweak the fonts themselves.
[10:36] <_Sime> although Dapper should be 'sane' by defualt.
[10:37] <_Sime> If you can convince Riddel that DPI should be configurable in guidance for Dapper, then I'll implement the change. ;-)
[10:52] <Lure> I thought Riddell was already asking for it (AFAIR when you announced 0.6.2)
[10:52] <Lure> (or 0.6.1)
[10:53] <_Sime> well, he asked me what my plans were, and I said FF. (which is my default answer at this time of the dev cycle).
[10:54] <Lure> if you look at bug 32442, it can be considered a bug fix ;-)
[10:54] <Lure> _Sime: I agree, however we need to have a story prepared for those that want to manually change
[10:59] <_Sime> Lure: ok, what I can perhaps do is add an option for the displayconfigrc file (under .kde/share/config/) for specifying DPI and what you want.
[10:59] <_Sime> Lure: that should be easy enough to do, and doesn't mean messing with the GUI.
[11:00] <Lure> I think this is even better than having GUI - if it is visible, people may set it wrongly 
[11:00] <Lure> instead of fixing font sizes (as they should)
[11:00] <_Sime> It would be a kind of hidden/workaround type feature/bug fixey thing.
[11:01] <Lure> _Sime: can we just detect if -dpi was specified to X and then respect it?
[11:01] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[11:02] <_Sime> dunno
[11:02] <Hobbsee> hey Lure 
[11:04] <Hobbsee> ah crud lol
[11:05] <Tm_T> =)
[11:10] <Hobbsee_> one word...oops.  hehe
[11:13] <Tm_T> hehe
[11:48] <freeflying> anyone wanna look on snapshop of dapper's livecd installer
[11:48] <Hobbsee> could be fun
[11:49] <freeflying> Hobbsee: http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?p=55034#55034
[11:49] <Hobbsee> k
[11:49] <freeflying> with espresso-fronted-kde
[11:50] <freeflying> Hobbsee: got it ?
[11:50] <Hobbsee> how the heck do i get to it?
[11:51] <freeflying> Hobbsee: u'd register firstly 
[11:51] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[12:00] <freeflying> Hobbsee: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/livecdscreenshot/
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:07] <freeflying> Hobbsee: got it ?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yeah, looks nice!
[12:08] <Hobbsee> does anyone know why, in dapper, my wireless connection will work, then as soon as i log into kde, it will stop working, and i'll have to do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hmm...darn it..it's a configuration setting somewhere, for my user...
[12:46] <raphink> tonio_: ping
[12:47] <tonio_> raphink: pong
[12:47] <raphink> pv :)
[01:40] <Lure> tonio_: I know you are in bug-fixing mode, but one default suggestion ;-)
[01:41] <Lure> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138044&highlight=kde+menu
[01:41] <Hobbsee> wow!  default install is very nice!
[01:41] <tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe thanks ;)
[01:41] <Lure> I think this proposal "Description (Name)" makes a lot of sense
[01:41] <tonio_> Lure: I'll have a look
[01:42] <Lure> I am also wondering if we should put together KubuntuDapperBugs page
[01:42] <Lure> as a top-list of issues to resolve, as LP does not provide good overview
[04:39] <hunger> Tonio_: I give up on kdeprint.
[04:39] <hunger> Tonio_: In fact I am giving up on kubuntu for a while:-(
[04:42] <hunger> Tonio_: ubuntu ate my kernel yesterday ("forgot" to install the kernel image itself on upgrade) and when I finally managed to get that fixed I end up in a default KDE. All my settings are gone:-(
[04:47] <Tonio_> hunger: damn
[05:16] <Tonio_> hunger: don't forget dapper isn't considered stable ;)
[05:16] <Tonio_> actually, I always keep a backup of my profile on another machine
[07:24] <Sime> Riddell: I've fixed systemsettings such that it uses scrollbars instead of running outside the screen's boundary.
[07:34] <Tonio_> Sime: fantastic !
[07:34] <Tonio_> Sime: ping ?
[07:35] <Tonio_> there is a very easy patch to perform
[07:35] <Tonio_> but I can't do it myself
[07:35] <Tonio_> Sime: do you know C++
[07:35] <Tonio_> ?
[07:48] <Lure> Tonio_: I still remember some C++ (I am now more managing at work :-(()
[07:49] <Lure> (but I am still learning how to get package sources and similar)
[08:01] <hunger> Tonio_: I know that kubuntu is not considered stable.
[08:02] <hunger> Tonio_: But it soonish will be.
[08:10] <hunger> Tonio_: Just give me a couple of hours to calm down again and I'll probably be back in ubuntu-land...
[08:13] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:13] <hunger> Tonio_: FC starts to annoy me with taking too long to download already:-)
[08:15] <Tonio_> ;)
[09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ? good news :)
[10:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[10:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: fine ?
[10:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: just released the patch for the system:/ protocol :)
[10:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, groovy
[10:17] <Tonio_> now going to $home by default
[10:17] <Tonio_> took me so long, cause I don't know c++, but it works ;)
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm going to send you an email with patch 53 for kwallet, new k-d-s and patch 54 for system kio
[10:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: great
[10:18] <Tonio_> I didn't receive any response of the guy that patched the google bar....
[10:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: what changes to kwllet?
[10:18] <Riddell> tvo?
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: do I integrate the dirfilter anyway ?
[10:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, for now, we can always take it out
[10:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: we discussed about that, it install a virgin default wallet without password
[10:19] <Tonio_> because the default config is a pain
[10:19] <Riddell> yep, nice
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, there are 2 problems with kdeprint
[10:20] <Tonio_> I resolved the first one within kubuntu-default-settings
[10:20] <Tonio_> we were setting cups as default, but not the "localhost" server
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: that is resolved, but there is another issue you may know, when no printers are installed
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: we discovered gnome-cups-manager has the same issue, but soedn't display the error message, you only see it in shell
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you think hidding the error message could be a temporary solution ?
[10:23] <tvo> oh fck... still had to do that too...
[10:23] <Tonio_> yes.......
[10:23] <Tonio_> tvo: in fact when the first problem is resolved, a second appears.......
[10:23] <Tonio_> I think the problem is with cups, and not kdeprint
[10:23] <Sime> Tonio_: hi
[10:24] <Tonio_> cups sends an error message when there are no printers installed
[10:24] <Tonio_> Sime: hello ;)
[10:24] <tvo> Tonio_: first/second problem?
[10:24] <Tonio_> tvo: gnome avoids the error when kde displays it.......
[10:24] <Tonio_> tvo: the first one was that kdeprint was using the .sock file as "server address by default"
[10:24] <tvo> oh that isn't about the googlebar, thought it was
[10:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: interesting
[10:24] <Tonio_> tvo I resolved this with kubuntu-default-settings, in kdeprintrc file
[10:25] <Riddell> Sime: top stuff on systemsettings :)
[10:25] <Sime> Riddell: does it work at your end? :->
[10:25] <Riddell> Sime: not had a chance to try it yet
[10:25] <Tonio_> tvo: when this is set, there is a second issue as long a no printer is set, cups sends an error message that kdeprint displays
[10:26] <Tonio_> tvo: gnome-cups-manager displays the error in the shell output only
[10:26] <Sime> Riddell: the reset button is in a slightly illogical place in systemsettings.
[10:26] <Tonio_> best would be that canonical fixes cups Riddell, don't you think ? 
[10:26] <Tonio_> that would resolv the issue for gnome and kde in the same time
[10:26] <tvo> Tonio_: I'm only 'the guy that patched the google bar', sorry for the confusion
[10:26] <Tonio_> tvo: ho it is you !!!!!!!!!
[10:27] <Tonio_> great ;)
[10:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: pitti is the man we should talk to for CUPS
[10:27] <Tonio_> tvo: did you receive my mail ?
[10:27] <Sime> Riddell: I was thinking of moving it to the right of hte search box.
[10:28] <tvo> Tonio_: hm, what was in the subject?
[10:28] <Tonio_> tvo don't remember
[10:28] <Tonio_> tvo: we would need the googlebar to be patched to not display in filemanagement profile
[10:28] <Tonio_> only kubuntu web
[10:29] <tvo> ok
[10:29] <tvo> so I need to make the old searchbar optional again
[10:29] <Tonio_> tvo: we are going to use something else instead of googlebar with filemanagement
[10:29] <tvo> ah
[10:29] <Tonio_> tvo: exactly ;)
[10:30] <Tonio_> even if optionnal, I have set the kubuntuweb pofile to use it, so that might be okay
[10:30] <tvo> yeah, I was just thinking about copying the normal searchbar, including it twice, one patched and one unpatched
[10:31] <Tonio_> well, if you can force it only for one profile, why not
[10:31] <Tonio_> the idea is simply that the bar doesn't appear in the filemanagment profile by default
[10:31] <Tonio_> tvo: up to you to choose the way to do it ;)
[10:31] <tvo> don't know, I'd have to see how that works in code
[10:31] <tvo> I'd guess you can just en/disable it in the profile?
[10:31] <Tonio_> tvo: oki ;)
[10:32] <Riddell> Sime: hmm, it's consistent with konqueror where it is
[10:32] <tvo> now, I'm talking here anyway, do we still want it to show even when browsing files (in web management mode in this case that is)
[10:33] <tvo> if that's even possible
[10:33] <tvo> er, web browsing even
[10:34] <Riddell> tvo: we don't want the google bar to show when browsing files
[10:34] <Sime> Riddell: ok, it just looks bad with that "Reset" text under the icon.... anyway.
[10:34] <tvo> ok so I should remove that part of the patch
[10:35] <Riddell> tvo: yes please
[10:35] <Sime> Tonio_: yes I know enough C++. What's the patch? (or email simon@simonzone.com)
[10:35] <tvo> Tonio_: what's your name used in e-mail? (/me tries to find your mail...)
[10:35] <Riddell> Sime: we could remove the text if that would look better, dunno
[10:35] <Tonio_> Sime: well, it is the one I finally managed to do myself ;)
[10:35] <Sime> Riddell: not sure if that will work...
[10:36] <Tonio_> just that I was unsure to be able to do it ;)
[10:36] <Tonio_> tvo: my name is Anthony Mercatante, tonio@ubuntu.com
[10:36] <tvo> Tonio_: ah thanks, found it
[10:37] <Tonio_> tvo: your servant ;)
[10:37] <tvo> it slipped through between all mailing lists..
[10:38] <tvo> seems I've answered all your questions here already, right?
[10:38] <Tonio_> tvo: for me it is okay
[10:42] <tvo> ok, well, I'll try to work on it next week, see you later all
[10:47] <dennis_p> ping Sime
[10:57] <Sime> dennis_p: pong
[11:00] <dennis_p> Sime: I thought I read about graphical X configuration coming to kubuntu
[11:00] <Sime> dennis_p: umm..  yeah
[11:01] <dennis_p> Ah, I'm a Kubuntu MythTV user and that would be great I was also thinking about how it could be even better in the future
[11:02] <dennis_p> Sime: see http://lists.duskglow.com/open-graphics/2006-March/004838.html
[11:02] <Riddell> Sime: shouldn't Reset be near Apply?
[11:02] <Riddell> ah, there's two resets
[11:02] <Sime> Riddell: huh?
[11:02] <Riddell> ignore me
[11:03] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[11:04] <dennis_p> Sime: And my question after reading that would be: do you think a Kubuntu SCART TV edition would be feasible?
[11:07] <Sime> dennis_p: you mean Kubuntu support for this SCART-TV-deinterlaced-mode?
[11:07] <dennis_p> yes
[11:08] <dennis_p> and perhaps a SCART safe kubuntu distro optimal for installing Mythtv
[11:10] <dennis_p> I found mythtv and X difficult to configure, luckily it was doable (although time consuming) on kubuntu
[11:12] <Riddell> Sime: guidance 0.6.2 looks good, I'll upload
[11:12] <Riddell> Sime: userconfig broke on my /etc/passwd though, for some reason I have a blank line in there
[11:13] <Sime> Riddell: /etc/passwd is empty?
[11:13] <Riddell> Sime: it's not, I just have a blank line in it, which breaks userconfig
[11:14] <Sime> Riddell: ok :) that's not so bad.
[11:14] <Sime> Riddell: I'll add that to the TODO list.
[11:14] <Riddell> I wonder if that's espresso playing with my /etc/passwd or something
[11:14] <dennis_p> Perhaps guidance (that is the x configure gui right) can have SCART RGB modes preconfigured as options somewhere
[11:15] <dennis_p> modlines scare me :-)
[11:16] <Sime> dennis_p: TV support will be started after Dapper. I'll keep that mode in mind. As for a special MythTV edition, it sounds good but I don't have time to make it. :-)
[11:17] <Sime> dennis_p: it is also a matter of "how many people have 100Hz TVs and scart?"
[11:17] <dennis_p> Just 200 million i think
[11:18] <Sime> dennis_p: you also need a little bit of hardware to do this? y/n
[11:19] <dennis_p> A VGA > scart cable not available in shops but only in big cable webshops
[11:20] <Sime> dennis_p: also composite signal?
[11:21] <dennis_p> NO all european TVs can use VGA compatible RGB steering, only sync needs to get mixed woth some tiny scheme in the cable
[11:22] <dennis_p> But like old computer monitors a too high signal is not healthy for the TV
[11:27] <dennis_p> Most DVD players have RGB mode in Europe meaning you don't have any composite colour range compression loss.
[11:29] <Sime> I didn't know that.  Do you have any links to info about the modelines needed to do this?
[11:31] <dennis_p> yes the Haupage mythtv card also does this its the Pal mode in all mythtv documention
[11:33] <dennis_p> Hauppauge the most popular mythtv card
[11:35] <Sime> Hauppauge also does output (as well as capture?)
[11:36] <dennis_p> yes it comes with a scart connector
[11:38] <dennis_p> you can get extra cards with only input too of course to record more analog channels
[11:39] <dennis_p> Output is just a framebuffer and makes KDE desktop redraw rather slow :-)
[11:40] <raphink> Riddell: ping
[11:40] <dennis_p> but mythtv has been deigned with that in mind of course
[11:42] <Sime> dennis_p: but it is still running X11 for KDE? do you have an example of a xorg.conf for this?
[11:43] <dennis_p> yes mythtv runs in X11 on top of the KDE desktop
[11:45] <dennis_p> and draws faster (or has less complexity to draw) than the desktop
[11:45] <dennis_p> Its a Qt program
[11:48] <Sime> do you have an example of a xorg.conf for this?
[11:49] <Sime> using that screen mode?
[11:49] <Sime> (then I could get an idea about where this would fit into guidance/displayconfig)
[11:49] <dennis_p> yes with 3 timings. your email?
[11:49] <Sime> simon@simonzone.com
[11:49] <Sime> i'm busy now hunting down extra screen modes for widescreen displays. :-/
[11:53] <dennis_p> You have mail. So one could apply these mods on a SCART framebuffer device
[11:53] <Riddell> raphink: hi
[11:54] <dennis_p> or on a nvidia card but then the nvidia hardware converts it into yellow composite signal
[11:54] <raphink> hi Riddell
[11:54] <raphink> Riddell: I was wondering today about a communautary blog for kubuntu devs
[11:54] <raphink> what would you think?
[11:55] <dennis_p> or make, or search for, a VGA to SSCART conversion cable
[11:55] <Sime> dennis_p: thanks,
[11:57] <dennis_p> and connect the VGA to SCART cable to the VGA out of the nvidia card and pray that you did not use wrong timings as some TV may not react well to outbound frequencies