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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Flight CD 4 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | dapper severly broken for anything but KDE apps | ||
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ogra | doko, ping ? | 01:59 |
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doko | ogra: got some work? | 02:04 |
ogra | :P | 02:04 |
ogra | i dont understand what you mean with bug 33753 | 02:04 |
Ubugtu | malone bug 33753 in gnome-screensaver "no 2D screensavers available" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33753 | 02:04 |
ogra | xscreensaver-data is installed by ubuntu-desktop | 02:04 |
ogra | it contains all 2D screensavers from the selection we had enabled by default in warty/hoary/breezy | 02:05 |
doko | the thing is, if I do configure a random screensaver, I do not have a choice to disable the 3D screensavers | 02:05 |
ogra | apt-get remove xscreensaver-{gl,gl-extra} | 02:06 |
doko | ok, if these are installed, it's no regression, but it's still annoying | 02:06 |
ogra | i'll think of a better system for dapper +1 | 02:06 |
maswan | speaking of screensavers, I love linux-fsck, just for the pure evil of it. :) | 02:07 |
ogra | i.e. a virtual package so we can replace the screensavers underneath ... | 02:07 |
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desrt | hmm | 02:43 |
desrt | is there a reason that bcm43xx.ko disappeared or was it an accident? | 02:43 |
Burgundavia | desrt: apparently BenC messed up | 02:46 |
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BenC | desrt: accident, and will be back in next upload | 03:21 |
desrt | BenC; awesome. sbp2 stuff is working great, btw. thanks. | 03:21 |
mjg59 | BenC: Pile o' patches for you | 03:22 |
mjg59 | Still needs two more to work well (sound and PATA), but other than that things look good | 03:22 |
BenC | mjg59: saw them, thanks...but now you have to send me an x86 mac so I can test it all out :) | 03:22 |
mjg59 | Haha | 03:23 |
mjg59 | They're not all hugely clean, but with them a kernel boots with no extra hacky options | 03:23 |
LaserJock | BenC: wish I could send you mine but my boss might not like it :( | 03:24 |
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Burgundavia | LaserJock: you are both continental US. It could be a one day thing | 03:25 |
LaserJock | Burgundavia: well, since it is technically owned by the University I really doubt they would be ok with me shipping it off somewhere | 03:26 |
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=== Fade wonders why there's no sbcl candidate in dapper | ||
Burgundavia | Fade: sbcl? | 06:04 |
Fade | steel bank common lisp | 06:04 |
Fade | there are a bunch of stub packages for sbcl in dapper, but the main sbcl environment isn't there. | 06:05 |
Fade | clisp is in the pool, so sbcl has a bootstrap vector.. | 06:06 |
Burgundavia | Fade: can you help with packaging it? | 06:06 |
Fade | I guess so. there's a well regarded package in debian, stable and devel. | 06:07 |
Fade | shouldn't be much problem to 'port' that src package. | 06:08 |
Burgundavia | Fade: #ubuntu-motu should be able to direct you in helping them | 06:08 |
Fade | what is that chanel? | 06:08 |
Burgundavia | motu is the Masters of the Universe. They maintain universe and multiverse | 06:09 |
=== Fade chuckles | ||
Fade | 'k. I'll ask there. | 06:09 |
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lamont | pci_mmcfg_read+239 --> some trap leading to panic | 06:57 |
desrt | so what's the story | 07:18 |
desrt | xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver? | 07:18 |
desrt | oh. nevermind. debfoster is being useless | 07:21 |
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sivang | morning all! | 08:57 |
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pitti | doko: ping | 10:23 |
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zakame | hi all | 10:26 |
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pitti | hi freeflying | 10:30 |
freeflying | hi pitti | 10:30 |
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freeflying | pitti: any good news for CJK stuff, :) | 10:32 |
pitti | freeflying: I'm uploading new language-support pakcages with im-switch now | 10:33 |
freeflying | pitti: also with scim module? | 10:33 |
pitti | freeflying: no, that needs seeding | 10:33 |
pitti | scim or skim should be in desktop, not language-support dependencies | 10:34 |
freeflying | pitti: I mean the module of scim .not scim and skim | 10:34 |
minghua | freeflying, pitti: would either of you enlighten me why with language-support depending on im-switch, scim modules should drop their im-switch dependency completely? | 10:34 |
pitti | not necessarily | 10:34 |
pitti | freeflying: oh, the modules were already dependencies before | 10:34 |
freeflying | pitti: hehe | 10:35 |
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pitti | have a nice Sunday everyone | 10:38 |
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calc | mjg59: i think vista might use the new video brightness acpi extension | 10:39 |
calc | if so perhaps laptops will suck a bit less after its released later this year | 10:40 |
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minghua | freeflying: I hope you are just busy instead of ignoreing my question | 10:43 |
minghua | freeflying: As I've said I am insterested in the actually changes on scim packages | 10:44 |
freeflying | minghua: just out , | 10:44 |
minghua | freeflying: oh good | 10:44 |
minghua | freeflying: then can you explain? oh at least point me the irc log that you discussed about this? | 10:45 |
freeflying | minghua: may I speak in chinese in #ubuntu-cn ? | 10:45 |
minghua | ok, if you prefer that way | 10:45 |
freeflying | minghua: for my poor English | 10:45 |
minghua | freeflying: I am there now | 10:45 |
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lifeless | hmm | 10:46 |
lifeless | is 24bit and 32bit equivalent for xorg purposes | 10:47 |
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lifeless | ? | 10:47 |
doko | pitti:pong | 10:50 |
zakame | hmm referring to video resolution? | 10:50 |
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lifeless | zakame: bit depth | 10:51 |
fabbione | lifeless: yes | 10:51 |
lifeless | zakame: I have a i815 dell with a fucked bios | 10:51 |
lifeless | erm | 10:51 |
lifeless | i915 | 10:51 |
fabbione | lifeless: once you use 24 is like using 32 | 10:51 |
fabbione | the 8 bit alpha is always initialized | 10:52 |
lifeless | but after the latest update its coming up in 1024x768 rather than 1280x768, like 915resolution is not kicking in properly | 10:52 |
lifeless | running 915resolution -l shows that the mode has been overwritten correctly though | 10:52 |
fabbione | well you asked for depth, not resolution :) | 10:52 |
lifeless | yes | 10:52 |
lifeless | but the i915 api is via the bios | 10:53 |
lifeless | X searched for a matching vidmode for the XxYxZ | 10:53 |
lifeless | so I wanted to know if the internal mode matching logic will match 24 against 32 | 10:53 |
fabbione | did you force Depth 32 in xorg.conf? | 10:53 |
lifeless | its set to 24 at the moment, which was working last week ;) | 10:53 |
fabbione | and still should | 10:53 |
lifeless | ok | 10:54 |
fabbione | afaik there have been no X upgrades | 10:54 |
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lifeless | gdm or 915resolution ? | 10:54 |
fabbione | and basically the 8 bits are only alpha channels | 10:54 |
fabbione | dunno about 915.. gdm yes | 10:54 |
fabbione | but gdm shouldn't interfere with X in that regard | 10:54 |
fabbione | lifeless: check the 9115 changelog | 10:55 |
fabbione | and see if somebody screwed it | 10:55 |
fabbione | if so... blame him :P | 10:55 |
lifeless | fabbione: thank ;) | 10:55 |
lifeless | s | 10:55 |
lifeless | erm, you know what I mean :) | 10:56 |
fabbione | yeah | 10:56 |
fabbione | don't worry.. i got used to read aussie :) | 10:56 |
lifeless | just cause its upside down | 10:56 |
fabbione | eheh | 10:59 |
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lifeless | ahha | 11:12 |
lifeless | someone moved gdm to S13 | 11:13 |
lifeless | without moving 915resolution | 11:13 |
lifeless | fabbione: can I just tell you ? :) | 11:13 |
lifeless | bug 33774 | 11:15 |
Ubugtu | malone bug 33774 in 915resolution "startup level is too high" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/33774 | 11:15 |
lifeless | is there an upgrader for gossips settins? | 11:21 |
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lifeless | mjg59: hibernate is working | 11:32 |
lifeless | mjg59: all fixed, thanks. But it takes 8-10 minutes to go down. | 11:32 |
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fabbione | lifeless: assign it to the same person that did change gdm :) | 11:47 |
lifeless | fabbione: ... | 11:47 |
lifeless | fabbione: will do | 11:48 |
lifeless | fabbione: its not in the changelog | 11:48 |
lifeless | fabbione: so I don't know who did it. Wish I could annotate :) | 11:49 |
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tepsipakki | mjg59: you didn't put those mactel-patches on launchpad? | 12:14 |
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koke | hi! why is xchat-gnome being removed from ubuntu-desktop? | 03:54 |
cassidy | koke: i would like to know too. I asked question on desktop ML but received no response :\ | 03:55 |
mdke | koke, i think the reason is that there is already one comprehensive IM client in Ubuntu, and having more than one can be confusing | 03:56 |
mdke | but I don't know for sure that was the reason it was removed | 03:56 |
cassidy | mdke: i hope you're not talking about gaim ;) | 03:56 |
mdke | sure I am | 03:56 |
koke | :D | 03:57 |
cassidy | imho x-g is *really* better for irc than gaim | 03:57 |
mdke | i agree, but that's not the point | 03:57 |
mdke | gaim does most other more common IM protocols too | 03:57 |
Kamion | the argument was that IRC is a relative minority interest and doesn't fit into the greatest-common-denominator goals of the Ubuntu desktop | 03:58 |
mdke | i think that is right. Although against that, it means that irc based support is cut out | 03:58 |
Kamion | (I'm not saying I agree - I haven't really thought enough about it to decide - but that's the argument) | 03:58 |
cassidy | Kamion: but we could try to avoid that by integrate loco team channel automatically for exemple (i wrote about this too) | 03:59 |
Kamion | OTOH, relying on IRC-based support is what gets us complaints from new users that people abused them on #ubuntu | 03:59 |
Kamion | cassidy: TBH I don't care much, I'm just reporting the argument | 03:59 |
mdke | sure, relying on irc based support is a bad idea, with launchpad and the forum doing good support, but irc is pretty useful because it's the only real-time one | 04:00 |
cassidy | yeah i know :) Just i strongly disagree with this decision :) | 04:00 |
mdke | cassidy, you're biased :) | 04:01 |
cassidy | mdke: of course i am ;) | 04:02 |
wasabi | I think ya'll should have a Jabber conference server for support. | 04:09 |
wasabi | =) | 04:09 |
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Pygi | liboil 0.3.7 broken on SSE enabled CPU's | 05:16 |
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sivang | Pygi: please remind me what SSE enabled CPUs are ? ;-) | 06:03 |
Pygi | sivang: heh :-P | 06:04 |
sivang | Pygi: is this POWER cpus? | 06:07 |
Pygi | huh :-/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions :-/ | 06:08 |
Pygi | that? :-/ | 06:09 |
sivang | Pygi: ah I see | 06:27 |
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Riddell | pradeepto: hi | 07:34 |
Riddell | tsk | 07:34 |
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Gloubiboulga | could anyone have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2059 ? | 07:48 |
Gloubiboulga | UVF has been accepted for this package | 07:49 |
Gloubiboulga | sorry, wrong window | 07:55 |
Gloubiboulga | :/ | 07:55 |
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flint | fabbione, ciao Don Fabio! | 09:42 |
flint | mdz, you asleep? | 09:43 |
flint | it is late in london... | 09:43 |
flint | anybody out here got any ubuntu breezy audio chops? | 09:43 |
flint | I need an assist on an interesting problem.... | 09:43 |
CarlFK | whats a chop? | 09:44 |
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flint | CarlFK, it is, in a word skill. the deal here is that I think my sound went away when this particular machine was "upgraded" from "Linux ubuntu 2.6.12-9-386 | 09:46 |
flint | " to "2.6.14.2-baseline-4.2baseline" | 09:46 |
flint | so what I am trying to figure out is what are the consequences to going back a kernel version.... | 09:46 |
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flint | maybe I should go bother the kernel folks.... | 09:46 |
CarlFK | then not me - I don't do much with debugging audio | 09:47 |
tepsipakki | that's not an ubuntu kernel | 09:47 |
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flint | tepsipakki, that is an interesting thing to say. which is not an ubuntu kernel? | 09:48 |
tepsipakki | 2.6.14.2-baseline-4.2baseline | 09:48 |
flint | tepsipakki, indeed and a good point. More specifically it is: vmlinuz-2.6.14.2-baseline-4.2 | 09:49 |
tepsipakki | so it's not ubuntu anymore ;) | 09:49 |
flint | tepsipakki, is that closer to the fact? | 09:49 |
tepsipakki | breezy had 2.6.12, dapper has 2.6.15 | 09:50 |
flint | tepsipakki, oh I wonder how this kernel got on this machine... | 09:50 |
Kamion | I'm pretty certain that no kernel by that name has ever been in Ubuntu | 09:50 |
flint | tepsipakki, thanks!!! maybe I will remap the kernel | 09:50 |
flint | Kamion, could it be the dreaded automatix script that did this thing? | 09:51 |
flint | I was doing a whole buncha mondo mindi work on this box. you do not think that the kernel "leaked" into the boot? | 09:52 |
flint | tepsipakki, Kamion thanks and I mean it. let me go and fool around with this one... you folks think i can manuall remap the kernel and maybe not have to boot off a cd to get the machine back? | 09:53 |
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mdke | flint, you have no other kernels in there? | 09:53 |
siretart | flint: this automatix script is known to break systems in serious ways | 09:54 |
mdke | haven't heard about it removing the kernel though | 09:54 |
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flint | mdke, vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 | 09:54 |
flint | is just sitting there ready to go. | 09:54 |
mdke | flint, that sounds a bit more positive | 09:54 |
mdke | use that one | 09:54 |
flint | vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 | 09:55 |
flint | is just sitting there ready to go... | 09:55 |
mdke | iirc, -10 is the latest one for breezy | 09:55 |
flint | gotcha, well gott go reboot, this is just like NT :^) | 09:55 |
tepsipakki | there should be 2.6.12-10 | 09:55 |
Kamion | flint: never looked at automatix myself | 09:55 |
tepsipakki | echo | 09:55 |
flint | Kamion, tepsipakki it is like, if you do not go down any dark ally's you never get mugged... | 09:56 |
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tepsipakki | now something OT, if you allow me: http://www.mathcaddy.com/windowsxpbootsonamac!!!!1/ | 09:56 |
flint | I really wanted to play with multimedia...I am a bad man... | 09:56 |
flint | tepsipakki, that is really scary.... | 09:57 |
flint | tepsipakki, nice art tho... | 09:57 |
flint | tepsipakki, thanks for the art and the idea. gotta reboot. sksk | 09:58 |
Seveas | tepsipakki, you evil bastard | 10:07 |
Seveas | very funny though | 10:07 |
tepsipakki | :) | 10:08 |
tepsipakki | those boots could easily be GIMPed.. | 10:09 |
tepsipakki | but I'm sure our beloved installer/kernel dudes are faster ;) | 10:09 |
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shaya | tseng: want me to do anything? | 10:25 |
shaya | you can have my attention for a bit | 10:25 |
shaya | hmm, he's not here | 10:25 |
shaya | oh well | 10:25 |
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tseng | shaya: eh? | 11:55 |
shaya | mono bug | 11:58 |
shaya | want any more info frm me? | 11:58 |
tseng | what mono bug | 11:58 |
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shaya | not able to run mono programs | 12:00 |
tseng | oh | 12:00 |
tseng | i asked you for specific info | 12:00 |
tseng | platform, versions of apps in question | 12:00 |
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