[01:59] <ogra> doko, ping ?
[02:04] <doko> ogra: got some work?
[02:04] <ogra> :P
[02:04] <ogra> i dont understand what you mean with bug 33753
[02:04] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33753 in gnome-screensaver "no 2D screensavers available" [Major,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33753
[02:04] <ogra> xscreensaver-data is installed by ubuntu-desktop
[02:05] <ogra> it contains all 2D screensavers from the selection we had enabled by default in warty/hoary/breezy
[02:05] <doko> the thing is, if I do configure a random screensaver, I do not have a choice to disable the 3D screensavers
[02:06] <ogra> apt-get remove xscreensaver-{gl,gl-extra}
[02:06] <doko> ok, if these are installed, it's no regression, but it's still annoying
[02:06] <ogra> i'll think of a better system for dapper +1 
[02:07] <maswan> speaking of screensavers, I love linux-fsck, just for the pure evil of it. :)
[02:07] <ogra> i.e. a virtual package so we can replace the screensavers underneath ...
[02:43] <desrt> hmm
[02:43] <desrt> is there a reason that bcm43xx.ko disappeared or was it an accident?
[02:46] <Burgundavia> desrt: apparently BenC messed up
[03:21] <BenC> desrt: accident, and will be back in next upload
[03:21] <desrt> BenC; awesome.  sbp2 stuff is working great, btw.  thanks.
[03:22] <mjg59> BenC: Pile o' patches for you
[03:22] <mjg59> Still needs two more to work well (sound and PATA), but other than that things look good
[03:22] <BenC> mjg59: saw them, thanks...but now you have to send me an x86 mac so I can test it all out :)
[03:23] <mjg59> Haha
[03:23] <mjg59> They're not all hugely clean, but with them a kernel boots with no extra hacky options
[03:24] <LaserJock> BenC: wish I could send you mine but my boss might not like it :(
[03:25] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you are both continental US. It could be a one day thing
[03:26] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well, since it is technically owned by the University I really doubt they would be ok with me shipping it off somewhere
[06:04] <Burgundavia> Fade: sbcl?
[06:04] <Fade> steel bank common lisp
[06:05] <Fade> there are a bunch of stub packages for sbcl in dapper, but the main sbcl environment isn't there.
[06:06] <Fade> clisp is in the pool, so sbcl has a bootstrap vector..
[06:06] <Burgundavia> Fade: can you help with packaging it?
[06:07] <Fade> I guess so. there's a well regarded package in debian, stable and devel.
[06:08] <Fade> shouldn't be much problem to 'port' that src package.
[06:08] <Burgundavia> Fade: #ubuntu-motu should be able to direct you in helping them
[06:08] <Fade> what is that chanel?
[06:09] <Burgundavia> motu is the Masters of the Universe. They maintain universe and multiverse
[06:09] <Fade> 'k. I'll ask there.
[06:57] <lamont> pci_mmcfg_read+239 --> some trap leading to panic
[07:18] <desrt> so what's the story
[07:18] <desrt> xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver?
[07:21] <desrt> oh.  nevermind.  debfoster is being useless
[08:57] <sivang> morning all!
[10:23] <pitti> doko: ping
[10:26] <zakame> hi all
[10:30] <pitti> hi freeflying 
[10:30] <freeflying> hi pitti 
[10:32] <freeflying> pitti: any good news for CJK stuff,  :)
[10:33] <pitti> freeflying: I'm uploading new language-support pakcages with im-switch now
[10:33] <freeflying> pitti: also with scim module?
[10:33] <pitti> freeflying: no, that needs seeding
[10:34] <pitti> scim or skim should be in desktop, not language-support dependencies
[10:34] <freeflying> pitti: I mean the module of scim .not scim and skim 
[10:34] <minghua> freeflying, pitti: would either of you enlighten me why with language-support depending on im-switch, scim modules should drop their im-switch dependency completely?
[10:34] <pitti> not necessarily
[10:34] <pitti> freeflying: oh, the modules were already dependencies before
[10:35] <freeflying> pitti: hehe
[10:38] <pitti> have a nice Sunday everyone
[10:39] <calc> mjg59: i think vista might use the new video brightness acpi extension
[10:40] <calc> if so perhaps laptops will suck a bit less after its released later this year
[10:43] <minghua> freeflying: I hope you are just busy instead of ignoreing my question
[10:44] <minghua> freeflying: As I've said I am insterested in the actually changes on scim packages
[10:44] <freeflying> minghua: just out , 
[10:44] <minghua> freeflying: oh good
[10:45] <minghua> freeflying: then can you explain?  oh at least point me the irc log that you discussed about this?
[10:45] <freeflying> minghua: may I speak in chinese in #ubuntu-cn ?
[10:45] <minghua> ok, if you prefer that way
[10:45] <freeflying> minghua: for my poor English 
[10:45] <minghua> freeflying: I am there now
[10:46] <lifeless> hmm
[10:47] <lifeless> is 24bit and 32bit equivalent for xorg purposes
[10:47] <lifeless> ?
[10:50] <doko> pitti:pong
[10:50] <zakame> hmm referring to video resolution?
[10:51] <lifeless> zakame: bit depth
[10:51] <fabbione> lifeless: yes
[10:51] <lifeless> zakame: I have a i815 dell with a fucked bios
[10:51] <lifeless> erm
[10:51] <lifeless> i915
[10:51] <fabbione> lifeless: once you use 24 is like using 32
[10:52] <fabbione> the 8 bit alpha is always initialized
[10:52] <lifeless> but after the latest update its coming up in 1024x768 rather than 1280x768, like 915resolution is not kicking in properly
[10:52] <lifeless> running 915resolution -l shows that the mode has been overwritten correctly though
[10:52] <fabbione> well you asked for depth, not resolution :)
[10:52] <lifeless> yes
[10:53] <lifeless> but the i915 api is via the bios
[10:53] <lifeless> X searched for a matching vidmode for the XxYxZ 
[10:53] <lifeless> so I wanted to know if the internal mode matching logic will match 24 against 32
[10:53] <fabbione> did you force Depth 32 in xorg.conf?
[10:53] <lifeless> its set to 24 at the moment, which was working last week ;)
[10:53] <fabbione> and still should
[10:54] <lifeless> ok
[10:54] <fabbione> afaik there have been no X upgrades
[10:54] <lifeless> gdm or 915resolution ?
[10:54] <fabbione> and basically the 8 bits are only alpha channels
[10:54] <fabbione> dunno about 915.. gdm yes
[10:54] <fabbione> but gdm shouldn't interfere with X in that regard
[10:55] <fabbione> lifeless: check the 9115 changelog
[10:55] <fabbione> and see if somebody screwed it
[10:55] <fabbione> if so... blame him :P
[10:55] <lifeless> fabbione: thank ;)
[10:55] <lifeless> s
[10:56] <lifeless> erm, you know what I mean :)
[10:56] <fabbione> yeah
[10:56] <fabbione> don't worry.. i got used to read aussie :)
[10:56] <lifeless> just cause its upside down
[10:59] <fabbione> eheh
[11:12] <lifeless> ahha
[11:13] <lifeless> someone moved gdm to S13
[11:13] <lifeless> without moving 915resolution
[11:13] <lifeless> fabbione: can I just tell you ? :)
[11:15] <lifeless> bug 33774
[11:15] <Ubugtu> malone bug 33774 in 915resolution "startup level is too high" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33774
[11:21] <lifeless> is there an upgrader for gossips settins?
[11:32] <lifeless> mjg59: hibernate is working
[11:32] <lifeless> mjg59: all fixed, thanks. But it takes 8-10 minutes to go down.
[11:47] <fabbione> lifeless: assign it to the same person that did change gdm :)
[11:47] <lifeless> fabbione: ...
[11:48] <lifeless> fabbione: will do
[11:48] <lifeless> fabbione: its not in the changelog
[11:49] <lifeless> fabbione: so I don't know who did it. Wish I could annotate :)
[12:14] <tepsipakki> mjg59: you didn't put those mactel-patches on launchpad?
[03:54] <koke> hi! why is xchat-gnome being removed from ubuntu-desktop?
[03:55] <cassidy> koke: i would like to know too. I asked question on desktop ML but received no response :\
[03:56] <mdke> koke, i think the reason is that there is already one comprehensive IM client in Ubuntu, and having more than one can be confusing
[03:56] <mdke> but I don't know for sure that was the reason it was removed
[03:56] <cassidy> mdke: i hope you're not talking about gaim ;)
[03:56] <mdke> sure I am
[03:57] <koke> :D
[03:57] <cassidy> imho x-g is *really* better for irc than gaim
[03:57] <mdke> i agree, but that's not the point
[03:57] <mdke> gaim does most other more common IM protocols too
[03:58] <Kamion> the argument was that IRC is a relative minority interest and doesn't fit into the greatest-common-denominator goals of the Ubuntu desktop
[03:58] <mdke> i think that is right. Although against that, it means that irc based support is cut out
[03:58] <Kamion> (I'm not saying I agree - I haven't really thought enough about it to decide - but that's the argument)
[03:59] <cassidy> Kamion: but we could try to avoid that by integrate loco team channel automatically for exemple (i wrote about this too)
[03:59] <Kamion> OTOH, relying on IRC-based support is what gets us complaints from new users that people abused them on #ubuntu
[03:59] <Kamion> cassidy: TBH I don't care much, I'm just reporting the argument
[04:00] <mdke> sure, relying on irc based support is a bad idea, with launchpad and the forum doing good support, but irc is pretty useful because it's the only real-time one
[04:00] <cassidy> yeah i know :)  Just i strongly disagree with this decision :)
[04:01] <mdke> cassidy, you're biased :)
[04:02] <cassidy> mdke: of course i am ;)
[04:09] <wasabi> I think ya'll should have a Jabber conference server for support.
[04:09] <wasabi> =)
[05:16] <Pygi> liboil 0.3.7  broken on SSE enabled CPU's
[06:03] <sivang> Pygi: please remind me what SSE enabled CPUs are ? ;-)
[06:04] <Pygi> sivang: heh :-P
[06:07] <sivang> Pygi: is this POWER cpus?
[06:08] <Pygi> huh :-/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_SIMD_Extensions :-/
[06:09] <Pygi> that? :-/
[06:27] <sivang> Pygi: ah I see
[07:34] <Riddell> pradeepto: hi
[07:34] <Riddell> tsk
[07:48] <Gloubiboulga> could anyone have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2059 ?
[07:49] <Gloubiboulga> UVF has been accepted for this package
[07:55] <Gloubiboulga> sorry, wrong window
[07:55] <Gloubiboulga> :/
[09:42] <flint> fabbione, ciao Don Fabio!
[09:43] <flint> mdz, you asleep?
[09:43] <flint> it is late in london...
[09:43] <flint> anybody out here got any ubuntu breezy audio chops?
[09:43] <flint>   I need an assist on an interesting problem....
[09:44] <CarlFK> whats a chop?
[09:46] <flint> CarlFK, it is, in a word skill.  the deal here is that I think my sound went away when this particular machine was "upgraded" from "Linux ubuntu 2.6.12-9-386
[09:46] <flint> " to "2.6.14.2-baseline-4.2baseline"
[09:46] <flint> so what I am trying to figure out is what are the consequences to going back a kernel version....
[09:46] <flint> maybe I should go bother the kernel folks....
[09:47] <CarlFK> then not me - I don't do much with debugging audio
[09:47] <tepsipakki> that's not an ubuntu kernel
[09:48] <flint> tepsipakki, that is an interesting thing to say. which is not an ubuntu kernel?
[09:48] <tepsipakki> 2.6.14.2-baseline-4.2baseline
[09:49] <flint> tepsipakki, indeed and a good point.  More specifically it is:  vmlinuz-2.6.14.2-baseline-4.2
[09:49] <tepsipakki> so it's not ubuntu anymore ;)
[09:49] <flint> tepsipakki, is that closer to the fact?
[09:50] <tepsipakki> breezy had 2.6.12, dapper has 2.6.15
[09:50] <flint> tepsipakki, oh I wonder how this kernel got on this machine...
[09:50] <Kamion> I'm pretty certain that no kernel by that name has ever been in Ubuntu
[09:50] <flint> tepsipakki, thanks!!! maybe I will remap the kernel
[09:51] <flint> Kamion, could it be the dreaded automatix script that did this thing?
[09:52] <flint> I was doing a whole buncha mondo mindi work on this box.  you do not think that the kernel "leaked" into the boot?
[09:53] <flint> tepsipakki, Kamion thanks and I mean it.  let me go and fool around with this one... you folks think i can manuall remap the kernel and maybe not have to boot off a cd to get the machine back?
[09:53] <mdke> flint, you have no other kernels in there?
[09:54] <siretart> flint: this automatix script is known to break systems in serious ways
[09:54] <mdke> haven't heard about it removing the kernel though
[09:54] <flint> mdke, vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386
[09:54] <flint>  is just sitting there ready to go.
[09:54] <mdke> flint, that sounds a bit more positive
[09:54] <mdke> use that one
[09:55] <flint> vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386
[09:55] <flint>  is just sitting there ready to go...
[09:55] <mdke> iirc, -10 is the latest one for breezy
[09:55] <flint> gotcha, well gott go reboot, this is just like NT :^)
[09:55] <tepsipakki> there should be 2.6.12-10
[09:55] <Kamion> flint: never looked at automatix myself
[09:55] <tepsipakki> echo
[09:56] <flint> Kamion, tepsipakki it is like, if you do not go down any dark ally's you never get mugged...
[09:56] <tepsipakki> now something OT, if you allow me: http://www.mathcaddy.com/windowsxpbootsonamac!!!!1/
[09:56] <flint> I really wanted to play with multimedia...I am a bad man...
[09:57] <flint> tepsipakki, that is really scary....
[09:57] <flint> tepsipakki, nice art tho...
[09:58] <flint> tepsipakki, thanks for the art and the idea.  gotta reboot. sksk
[10:07] <Seveas> tepsipakki, you evil bastard
[10:07] <Seveas> very funny though 
[10:08] <tepsipakki> :)
[10:09] <tepsipakki> those boots could easily be GIMPed..
[10:09] <tepsipakki> but I'm sure our beloved installer/kernel dudes are faster ;)
[10:25] <shaya> tseng: want me to do anything?
[10:25] <shaya> you can have my attention for a bit
[10:25] <shaya> hmm, he's not here
[10:25] <shaya> oh well
[11:55] <tseng> shaya: eh?
[11:58] <shaya> mono bug
[11:58] <shaya> want any more info frm me?
[11:58] <tseng> what mono bug
[12:00] <shaya> not able to run mono programs
[12:00] <tseng> oh
[12:00] <tseng> i asked you for specific info
[12:00] <tseng> platform, versions of apps in question