| shannara | does anyone know the chat address for discussing dapper. Printing doesn'tt work with x86_64 | 12:14 |
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| KRUTOY | Hey | 02:28 |
| KRUTOY | It's my first time here, lol | 02:28 |
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| arkan0x | wtf topic? | 03:46 |
| arkan0x | ogra, ! | 03:46 |
| arkan0x | ogra, !! | 03:46 |
| arkan0x | jane_, ! the topic ! | 03:47 |
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| === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 08 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ | ||
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| rafael | hello | 06:05 |
| rafael | bye | 06:06 |
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| sophie^ | hi just a question, is schooltool required in init? what is its purpose? | 07:05 |
| sophie^ | is it safe to have it removed? | 07:06 |
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| clinton | hi | 07:31 |
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| alejandro | ogra, with a fresh ltsp installation in ubuntu, I have some advices: | 11:01 |
| alejandro | install: cannot create regular file `/opt/ltsp/pkg_cache/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts': No such file or directory | 11:01 |
| alejandro | install: cannot create regular file `/opt/ltsp/data/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts': No such file or directory | 11:01 |
| alejandro | You need to check the files in ltsp-update-sshkeys. | 11:03 |
| ogra | uuh, why do you have this many dirs in /opt/ltsp | 11:06 |
| ogra | (agreed, i'll look into it) | 11:06 |
| ogra | but it does no harm as long as you dont have a etc/ssh tree in one of the subdirs :) | 11:09 |
| ogra | its just noisy | 11:09 |
| alejandro | no, I cleaned /opt/ltsp/i386 and run in a fresh ubuntu dapper, the client script. | 11:12 |
| alejandro | anyway nice work, it's awesome. | 11:12 |
| alejandro | it's very frustating to try to install a program in a LTSP 4.x environment | 11:13 |
| ogra | yes :) | 11:17 |
| ogra | but they boot in 29seconds (taken with a stopwatch including the BIOS) ... we'll never reach such speed :) | 11:18 |
| ogra | and they have a way smaller memory footprint, with swap server, ltsp 4.1 boots on 20MB | 11:18 |
| ogra | (i'd be happy about 32M :) ) | 11:19 |
| juliux | ogra, i have teste dapper at the weekend with 2 thinclients, and the thinclients have 128MB RAM but it was very slow on the thinclients | 11:28 |
| ogra | vesa driver ? | 11:29 |
| juliux | yes | 11:29 |
| juliux | i think so | 11:29 |
| ogra | its the driver | 11:29 |
| juliux | ah | 11:29 |
| ogra | not the client | 11:29 |
| juliux | so i should test an other driver | 11:29 |
| ogra | vesa is 100% unaccelerated :) | 11:29 |
| juliux | i run it with the rangee thinclients | 11:29 |
| juliux | in chemnitz | 11:29 |
| ogra | i didnt find any driver apart from vesa that works with the rangees ... | 11:30 |
| ogra | (but i didnt look very close i must admit) | 11:30 |
| juliux | if i find time on cebit i will test other driver | 11:30 |
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| juliux | this was gcompris | 11:31 |
| juliux | if i start it x restarts | 11:32 |
| ogra | file a bug, i have no such problems here ... | 11:39 |
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| jinty | hoi ogra, just checking if the new schooltool packages were working for you? | 12:04 |
| ogra | not yet | 12:04 |
| ogra | some dependency is missing ... | 12:04 |
| ogra | i'm about to look at it ... | 12:04 |
| jinty | ok, let me know, there may be something I can do... | 12:04 |
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| alejandro | ogra, then Maecow is slower? | 12:14 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: hi | 01:03 |
| ogra | hey highvoltage | 01:03 |
| highvoltage | i have a weird problem with ldm | 01:04 |
| ogra | i wrote the ltsp gui installer for LTSPManager on the weekend :) | 01:04 |
| highvoltage | (theme-wise) | 01:04 |
| ogra | oh ? | 01:04 |
| highvoltage | o kewl :) | 01:04 |
| highvoltage | yes, if i change the background colour to a darkish blue, (or other colour) I get a white stripe on the right side corner of the screen. | 01:05 |
| highvoltage | is that white stripe a known bug? | 01:05 |
| highvoltage | my theme is available here, fwiw, http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/tuxlab.tar | 01:05 |
| ogra | hmm | 01:05 |
| ogra | i havent seen that yet | 01:06 |
| ogra | what screensize is that ? | 01:06 |
| ogra | (resolution) | 01:06 |
| highvoltage | 1024x768 | 01:06 |
| ogra | hmm, nope, dont have that here | 01:06 |
| ogra | 1024x786, 800x600, and 1280x800 work here | 01:06 |
| ogra | file a bug if you like, i'll look into it | 01:07 |
| highvoltage | strange. perhaps i tweak something elsewhere that broke it :) | 01:07 |
| ogra | not really, you would have to tweak the gtk code of the greeter itself | 01:08 |
| ogra | size and position of the theme are computed from the screensize | 01:08 |
| highvoltage | ok. i'll take a photo of it tonight and send it through. perhaps it's something that will come up again. | 01:10 |
| highvoltage | oh yes, the stripe isn't always white. it's the same colour as the bar at the bottom. | 01:10 |
| highvoltage | ogra: othersiwe, how are things? | 01:22 |
| ogra | fine :) | 01:24 |
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| jinty | ogra: hmm, I had a look at schooltool, it appears the source package is in the archive, but no debs. and I cannot find a build log anywhere. | 02:20 |
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| crimsun | jinty: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/173652 | 02:24 |
| ogra_ | crimsun, already solved | 02:24 |
| ogra_ | the next build attempt should work, twisted-web2 wasnt in main until today | 02:25 |
| crimsun | ogra_: just answering his question regarding not being able to find a build log | 02:25 |
| ogra_ | ah | 02:25 |
| jinty | crimsun: thanks a lot, nice to be able to find these things in the future | 02:28 |
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| jinty | orga: schooltool builds will still fail because zope3 is still uninstallable in dapper. it depends on python2.4-pullparser and python2.4-clientform (at least). All of these are in debian. | 02:56 |
| ogra | yup | 02:57 |
| ogra | afaik doko already requested the sync | 02:57 |
| ogra | i'll make sure i dont remember wrong | 02:57 |
| jinty | ok, just making sure that schooltool doesn't get lost in the beaurocracy somewhere;) | 02:57 |
| ogra | jinty, its one of my killer apps :) | 02:58 |
| ogra | dont worry, we wont release without working schooltool :) | 02:58 |
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| jsgotangco | it would be a travesty | 03:17 |
| ogra | yes | 03:18 |
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| ERic_ | hallo, how can i get a standalone edubuntu | 03:23 |
| ERic_ | ? | 03:23 |
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| ogra | standalone edubuntu ? | 03:23 |
| ogra | do you mean a workstation install ? | 03:24 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | 03:24 |
| ERic_ | ty | 03:24 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i assume the workstation install won't have compiz running like Ubuntu? | 03:25 |
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| ogra | highvoltage, what makes you think ubuntu could have compiz installed ?? | 03:26 |
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| ogra | thats crappy unstable stuff | 03:26 |
| ogra | we'll surely not release it in main yet | 03:26 |
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| highvoltage | ok, good. i read about people using it on dapper, and then i saw some screen shots of compiz on an ubuntu live cd, so i was afraid it's being distributed with ubuntu already *shew* | 03:27 |
| ogra | nope, its in universe | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | its way too unstable and requires everyone to have a beefy card | 03:29 |
| ogra | its the future ... | 03:30 |
| ogra | but its far from being ready | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | i thought aiglx is better designed? | 03:30 |
| highvoltage | yeah, somehow i just got the impression that it's going to be in dapper, so i immeditely though of asking here :) | 03:30 |
| highvoltage | sorry, been a long day | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | we could have beaten all distros if we have a working xgl+compiz from install | 03:31 |
| ogra | no problem :) dont worry, we dont release crappy stuff :) | 03:31 |
| highvoltage | cool. so LDM will work much nicer at release? | 03:31 |
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| ogra | :P | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 03:31 |
| mezzapazza | hi | 03:31 |
| ogra | i ddint plan big changes on ldm :) | 03:32 |
| highvoltage | :) | 03:32 |
| highvoltage | hi mezzapazza | 03:32 |
| mezzapazza | does somebody have idea why ltspfsd runs toughly as root on edubuntu? | 03:32 |
| ogra | the daemon should, yes | 03:33 |
| mezzapazza | uups | 03:33 |
| mezzapazza | s/root/nobody | 03:33 |
| ogra | does the ltsp.org wiki show anything ? | 03:34 |
| mezzapazza | i followed the document, installed ltspfsd from the package | 03:35 |
| mezzapazza | but it runs as nobody, so it doesn't work | 03:35 |
| mezzapazza | even if i try to run as root manually, it runs as nobody | 03:36 |
| highvoltage | bye, #edubuntu | 03:36 |
| mezzapazza | and strace output doesn't show anything interesting | 03:36 |
| ogra | sorry, i didnt do much testing with it after we postponed localdevice support to next release | 03:37 |
| mezzapazza | do you have an idea how could i force it to run as root? | 03:39 |
| ogra | is it intended to run as root ? | 03:39 |
| ogra | i'd ask in #ltsp, sbalneav is the guy you want | 03:39 |
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| ERic_NL | i there the possibility for a blank password | 03:44 |
| ERic_NL | *is there | 03:44 |
| mezzapazza | yes, it should run as root, othervise it cannot mount devices | 03:49 |
| ogra | sure ... you dont need to be root to use pmount :) | 03:49 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: i've been thinking about what you said about sessions in LDM | 04:39 |
| ogra | yup | 04:39 |
| highvoltage | ogra: couldn't you make a symbolic link from the main filesystem and get the information from there? | 04:39 |
| ogra | nope | 04:39 |
| ogra | we'll have an easy configurable file in the chroot ... | 04:39 |
| ogra | thats not the problem .... | 04:39 |
| highvoltage | ok, so you'll at least be able to set a default session for all the users? | 04:40 |
| ogra | what i want is that you can add *any* PC running sshd in your network to be a server | 04:40 |
| ogra | you cant get this data simply out of the network ... | 04:40 |
| highvoltage | oh, that would be fantastic. | 04:40 |
| ogra | i can do a default session that gets created during install and just uses the loacl data from the server in the chroot ... | 04:41 |
| ogra | bnut beyond that, you will need to add other sessions manually | 04:41 |
| highvoltage | other sessions? so a user would still be able to choose? | 04:41 |
| ogra | then, yes ... | 04:41 |
| ogra | if you have only a default session, there is no need for a chooser :) | 04:42 |
| highvoltage | :) | 04:43 |
| ogra | the code is already in ldm, its just commented until i can automate it ... | 04:43 |
| ogra | which wont happen in dapper ... | 04:43 |
| highvoltage | where can i find the layout for the LDM login screen? i think you said it's a gtk-based layout? | 04:45 |
| highvoltage | does it have something to do with /usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/gtk ? | 04:46 |
| ogra | its the glade file in this directory ... | 04:47 |
| ogra | together with the gtk binary | 04:47 |
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| jsgotangco | see ya guys, have fun :) | 04:50 |
| ERic_NL | have fun | 04:51 |
| highvoltage | bye jsgotangco | 04:51 |
| highvoltage | ogra: is there anything particular in edubuntu that requires further testing? | 04:54 |
| highvoltage | egh. gcompris just exited by itself, leaving my resolution at 800x600 | 04:56 |
| ogra | you are the second person reporting that, can you file a bug and assign it to me ? | 04:57 |
| highvoltage | yes | 04:57 |
| ogra | thanks | 04:57 |
| ogra | :) | 04:57 |
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| highvoltage | it does. then again, if you watch while anything installs it takes too long. | 05:06 |
| ogra | it takes pretty exactly 10 min longer than ubuntu :) | 05:07 |
| highvoltage | really? wow. when i stared at my computer building the ltsp chroot it felt much longer than that :) | 05:07 |
| ogra | (unless you do a install that pulls a lot of language packs from tha web) | 05:07 |
| ogra | highvoltage, from the iso ? | 05:07 |
| highvoltage | ogra: yep | 05:08 |
| highvoltage | ogra: how do i assign a bug to you in launchpad? i can't find a link that says so. | 05:08 |
| highvoltage | (bug is created, i just need to assign) | 05:08 |
| ogra | give me the bugnumber, i'll grab it | 05:08 |
| ogra | (if you click on the package name you can edit bug details) | 05:09 |
| highvoltage | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gcompris/+bug/33898 | 05:09 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 05:09 |
| highvoltage | my pleasure | 05:10 |
| highvoltage | ogra: will ktouch have pre-loaded lesson plans in final release? | 05:12 |
| ogra | do we have a package with these ? | 05:12 |
| highvoltage | an apt-cache search ktouch suggests that we don't :/ | 05:13 |
| highvoltage | k12ltsp has some preconfigured lessons, but after feature freeze it's probably too late to repackage that for edubuntu, right? | 05:14 |
| ogra | if its only data, i can probably get it in | 05:14 |
| ogra | but mind you, we dont have space at all ... it *must* be a small package | 05:14 |
| ogra | the CD sits at 694MB ... the end is at 695 ... | 05:15 |
| highvoltage | ok, i'll get a copy of k12-ltsp installed before the end of the week and extract that data. even if we just get a basic lesson, i think it would be an improvement. and i'm sure a basic lesson would come in at <50KB | 05:15 |
| highvoltage | geez, that's living on the edge! | 05:16 |
| ogra | yep | 05:16 |
| highvoltage | what if the average package size increases by 10K by the next release? | 05:16 |
| highvoltage | should we keep a room open at the hospital for you then? :P | 05:16 |
| ogra | we'll drop more stuff | 05:16 |
| ogra | there is still openoffice firefox evolution and gnome we can drop ... | 05:17 |
| ogra | ;) | 05:17 |
| highvoltage | :) | 05:17 |
| ogra | nad the kernel ... that even solves the problem of kernel selection for smp ;) | 05:18 |
| highvoltage | scribus is under the Office and the Graphics menu. is this intended to be so? | 05:18 |
| ogra | i think so ... | 05:18 |
| ogra | its done upstream ... not my fault :) | 05:18 |
| highvoltage | do we really need kino, serpentime, and sound juicer? | 05:18 |
| highvoltage | cutting those should save some space. | 05:19 |
| ogra | serpentine takes about 200k | 05:19 |
| ogra | sound juicer is essential for copying CDs ... | 05:19 |
| ogra | kino would be a candidate with 1.1M, but it has a wide userbase ... | 05:20 |
| ogra | and the 1M isnt really saving our butts | 05:20 |
| highvoltage | yep | 05:21 |
| ogra | dropping the KDE stuff would gain us 50-100M | 05:21 |
| ogra | probably more | 05:21 |
| highvoltage | we don't really need replacements for all the kde-edu software. there's only a few of them that's really widely used. | 05:22 |
| ogra | i agree ... | 05:22 |
| highvoltage | ktuberling, kturtle, kanagram, kalzium, khangman, kstars. the rest are more trivial | 05:22 |
| ogra | rather some more scientific gnome apps | 05:23 |
| highvoltage | kturtle is the nicest turtle program i've seen on linux yet. gcompris kind of gives you a lot of the rest. | 05:23 |
| highvoltage | how does ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu live together in launchpad? or don't they yet? launchpad only gave me the option to log a bug in ubuntu or baltix | 05:25 |
| highvoltage | is it because ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu packages are essentially identical? | 05:25 |
| ogra | yup | 05:26 |
| ogra | baltix is a real derivative, devloped externally | 05:27 |
| highvoltage | and they use launchpad? nice. | 05:27 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ | 05:33 |
| ogra | new screenshots ^^^ | 05:34 |
| highvoltage | ogra: can i connect to my gnome session on another computer, like i would with Xnest and xdmcp? | 05:34 |
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| ogra | you men to a running session ? | 05:34 |
| ogra | *mean | 05:34 |
| highvoltage | not necassarily. a new session is fine too. | 05:35 |
| ogra | ssh -X user@ip gnome-session | 05:35 |
| ogra | should work with any ubuntu since warty | 05:35 |
| ogra | (indeed you need to execute that from a running x server) | 05:36 |
| ogra | (you could run ldm in xnest and have a "virtual ltsp client" | 05:36 |
| ogra | ) | 05:36 |
| highvoltage | that's very weird | 05:37 |
| highvoltage | my remote session runs over my current one | 05:37 |
| highvoltage | what i find interesting is, the panel that runs remotely shows my apps running locally in the task list. | 05:37 |
| ogra | heh | 05:37 |
| ogra | thats clearly a bug | 05:37 |
| ogra | similar to this one http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94049 | 05:38 |
| highvoltage | ltsp manager looks nice. does it use lts.conf, or do you try to avoid the lts.conf file? | 05:38 |
| ogra | it will use lts.conf | 05:38 |
| highvoltage | don't you think we should have an example lts.conf file? | 05:38 |
| ogra | yup | 05:39 |
| ogra | we have one already | 05:39 |
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| ogra | but it should reflect the right ltsp ;) | 05:39 |
| highvoltage | ok, flight4 didn't have it | 05:39 |
| highvoltage | yep :) | 05:39 |
| ogra | and probably we should install it in the docs on the server not on the client ;) | 05:39 |
| highvoltage | are you putting comments in it, explaining how to use it? | 05:39 |
| highvoltage | i have a small one that i've started on so far | 05:39 |
| highvoltage | meant for the edubuntu's running in tuxlabs. | 05:40 |
| highvoltage | right :) | 05:40 |
| ogra | thats what i wanted to have in the edubuntu docs ... | 05:40 |
| ogra | i thought adding it to your tech/hardware doc ... | 05:40 |
| ogra | have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/ | 05:41 |
| highvoltage | heh. if i press alt+f2 it brings me both my remote and local run dialog | 05:41 |
| ogra | yes, gnome still has some way to go with that :) | 05:41 |
| ogra | but having icons and themes if you are logged in multiple times is already a good start :) | 05:41 |
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| ogra | i'm thinking about a kiosk mode on ltsp level for dapper+1 ... | 05:42 |
| ogra | there i'll surely need to fix such stuff | 05:42 |
| highvoltage | yep | 05:43 |
| highvoltage | the kiosk mode should be a hit | 05:43 |
| ogra | yup# | 05:43 |
| ogra | especially if you only have to check a checkbox in LTSPManager to get a fully set up internet cafe installation :) | 05:44 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 05:45 |
| highvoltage | can i send you my sample lts.conf file? | 05:45 |
| ogra | hmm ... that could even go further and become a CD install option ... all you need is a minimal setup and install ltsp-server-standalone and firefox on it ... | 05:46 |
| ogra | yup | 05:46 |
| ogra | you wont need X or a desktop ... | 05:46 |
| ogra | the clients just start firefox fullscreen in their X server ... started by a ldm autologin ... | 05:47 |
| highvoltage | nice | 05:47 |
| ogra | put in the edubuntu CD ... wait 30min, adjust dhcpd.conf, restart dhcpd, bott the clients... done :) | 05:48 |
| ogra | you can do a fully set up internet cafe install in 1h :) | 05:48 |
| highvoltage | i recommend 192.168.0.254 to everyone, that way they don't need to edit dhcpd.conf | 05:48 |
| highvoltage | do you think we'll keep that recommendation for the edubuntu docs? | 05:49 |
| ogra | why not | 05:49 |
| highvoltage | kewl :) | 05:49 |
| ogra | its good to keep predictable defaults i think | 05:49 |
| ogra | if people are used to it we shouldnt confuse them | 05:49 |
| highvoltage | yep, especially for people who don't even know what an IP address is. | 05:49 |
| highvoltage | yes, i like keeping it more or less in line with k12ltsp and other similar distro's, if possible. | 05:50 |
| ogra | that as well ... its very helpful for people who want to switch distros | 05:51 |
| highvoltage | is it possible to run local apps on the clients yet? or do we need an ssh server running on the clients for that? | 05:51 |
| ogra | you'll have to fiddle with xhost etc and will need ip forwarding on the server if you want net access | 05:52 |
| highvoltage | net access within the locally running client? ok. i understand. | 05:52 |
| ogra | if you'd run firefox locally, the client needs acess to the net :) | 05:53 |
| highvoltage | is that documented somewhere, do you think it's likely that it could be made to work automatically in dapper+1? | 05:53 |
| highvoltage | yes :) | 05:53 |
| highvoltage | luckily ip forwarding is easy to set up these days. and since all the clients get their info from dhcp, specifying name server / gateway is easy. | 05:54 |
| ogra | thats quite tricky ... | 05:54 |
| ogra | you break security with the xhost stuff .... | 05:54 |
| highvoltage | ah. | 05:54 |
| ogra | you'll need iptables and set up nat on the server ... | 05:54 |
| highvoltage | my smtp server is a bit dodgy. i've uploaded the file here: http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/lts.conf | 05:55 |
| ogra | its not as easy as it seems ... | 05:55 |
| ogra | you tested the per host settings in lts.conf and it worked ? | 05:55 |
| highvoltage | yes, it worked fine. | 05:56 |
| ogra | wow | 05:56 |
| highvoltage | :) | 05:56 |
| ogra | i didnt even test it yet | 05:56 |
| ogra | note that X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL and X_MOUSE_DEVICE are only used for serial mice in ubuntu ... | 05:56 |
| ogra | all other pointing devices are detected automatiaclly | 05:57 |
| highvoltage | right. i just kept it there so that's its easy to change | 05:57 |
| ogra | so /dev/psaux shouldnt be in the examples | 05:57 |
| highvoltage | although, serial mice are so 90's, that example can just as well be dropped, your'e right. | 05:58 |
| ogra | i also have a list of supported protocols i wanted to add | 05:58 |
| ogra | noo | 05:58 |
| highvoltage | ogra: http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/ipt2 | 05:58 |
| highvoltage | i got that script off the gentoo wiki | 05:58 |
| ogra | i've put quite a lot of effort to get serial mice right for dapper, its a feature | 05:58 |
| ogra | we shouldnt hide it :) | 05:58 |
| highvoltage | i want to create a gtk dialog where you can edit what's called LAN and WAN in that script | 05:58 |
| highvoltage | so that administrators can easily set up 'internet sharing' | 05:59 |
| ogra | yup, makes sense | 05:59 |
| highvoltage | default dhcpd should make nameserver and gateway 192.168.0.254 (or whatever server is) | 05:59 |
| highvoltage | then the internet connection sharing would be a snap | 05:59 |
| ogra | currently its .10 i think ... | 06:00 |
| ogra | or .1 | 06:00 |
| highvoltage | i think it's .1 | 06:00 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: wb | 06:01 |
| ogra | # Modified for LTSP under Ubuntu by Jonathan Carter <jonathan@ubuntu.org> | 06:02 |
| ogra | highvoltage, ubuntu.org ? | 06:02 |
| highvoltage | oh, right. ubuntu.com. | 06:02 |
| ogra | :) | 06:02 |
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| highvoltage | :) | 06:02 |
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| ogra | just no .de | 06:03 |
| highvoltage | brb- dinner | 06:03 |
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| surfdude | lol | 06:27 |
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| Burgwork | salut highvoltage | 06:50 |
| highvoltage | Burgwork: salut burgendavia? | 06:51 |
| Burgwork | yep | 06:51 |
| highvoltage | how are things? | 06:51 |
| Burgwork | good | 06:54 |
| Burgwork | just starting a project to recycle computers and install Ubuntu on them | 06:55 |
| highvoltage | nice. using them as thin clients? | 06:55 |
| Burgwork | depends on the age, mostly standalone | 06:55 |
| highvoltage | how are you going to do authentication? ldap? | 06:57 |
| Burgwork | mostly the computers are going to sold/donated to people and go into their homes | 06:58 |
| highvoltage | ah, ok. | 06:58 |
| highvoltage | i'm quite excited about edubuntu 6.04. i'm looking forward to its release. | 06:59 |
| highvoltage | i do wish that ldm had better theming support, but it at least this time it *has* theme support, so i guess i shouldn't complain that much :) | 06:59 |
| ogra | (and it was even ready for breezy, i didnt touch the code through dapper at all) | 07:00 |
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| ogra | mdz didnt allow the inclusion ... i was to late in the release cycle | 07:03 |
| highvoltage | ogra: how difficult would it be to be able to add a background image, that's stretched to the screen? | 07:03 |
| highvoltage | a "wallpaper", in other words. | 07:04 |
| ogra | i think LTSPManager will be similar ... should be ready as soon as dapper+1 opens :) | 07:04 |
| highvoltage | does dapper+1 have a name yet? | 07:04 |
| ogra | i had this before, it eats a lot of bootspeed to render it | 07:04 |
| ogra | nope | 07:04 |
| highvoltage | probably not more than a second per thin client? | 07:05 |
| ogra | just replace the background.png file with something that fullscreen | 07:05 |
| highvoltage | that causes the image to be misplaced, it doesn't fit the screen | 07:05 |
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| highvoltage | if you change background.png to 1024x768, and open LDM on a 1024x768 screen, the image is more to the top left than it should be | 07:06 |
| ogra | hrm | 07:06 |
| highvoltage | ogra: have you tried it? | 07:09 |
| ogra | not since i changed the image, no | 07:10 |
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| highvoltage | goodnight, ogra | 07:21 |
| highvoltage | bye Burgwork | 07:22 |
| ogra | night | 07:22 |
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| salem77 | Hello | 07:31 |
| ogra | hi | 07:31 |
| salem77 | I have a question about edubuntu and its filtering software Dansguardian. | 07:31 |
| ogra | edubuntu has no particular filtering software ... | 07:32 |
| salem77 | really? | 07:32 |
| ogra | really ... | 07:32 |
| salem77 | I was told it did | 07:32 |
| salem77 | Have you heard of Dansguardian? | 07:32 |
| ogra | we have packages for dansguardian and squidguard available ... | 07:32 |
| salem77 | ok | 07:33 |
| ogra | but neither is included by default | 07:33 |
| ogra | i'm trying to get willow ready for the october release | 07:33 |
| ogra | http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/ | 07:33 |
| ogra | so we'll likely include this then ... | 07:33 |
| salem77 | My question was reguarding using this as a content filtering for a 30 computer network and whether it would be a viable solution | 07:34 |
| ogra | sure | 07:34 |
| ogra | currently you only have the choice bretween three apps which are equally good/bad | 07:35 |
| salem77 | Currently I have all MS | 07:35 |
| ogra | dansguardian and squidguard are pretty similar apps | 07:35 |
| ogra | privoxy is a bit easier to handle but less powerfull | 07:35 |
| salem77 | So these would allow me to implement a filtering system for the entire network? | 07:39 |
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| ogra | yup | 07:40 |
| ogra | you just need to force your web traffic through the filter indeed | 07:40 |
| salem77 | ok sounds like I will consider this. Thanks I am going to read up on these. | 07:41 |
| ogra | be sure it will be solved in future releases ... its very high on my todo list ... | 07:42 |
| ogra | many people ask for it ... | 07:42 |
| Burgwork | ogra, can willow do whitelists? | 07:51 |
| ogra | yup | 07:54 |
| ogra | white, black and colored ones :) | 07:54 |
| salem77 | I was just reading up on williow. Sites that are neither "badpages" or "goodpages" are they allowed by default? | 07:55 |
| ogra | they will go through the bayesian filter ... | 07:55 |
| ogra | (read spam filter) | 07:56 |
| ogra | so they dont get in unfiltered ... | 07:56 |
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| salem77 | ok I am more concerned about blocking. but I don't want to have to add all the allowed pages into "goodpages" | 07:59 |
| ogra | thats why willow is so great ... | 07:59 |
| ogra | it uses a bayesian filter like a spam filter does ... parses the contents by the spam rules and filters quite intelligent .. | 08:00 |
| Burgwork | ogra, so I can have the web browser be only allowed to go a single website? (ie, for a card catalogue for a library) | 08:00 |
| ogra | letting it parse one or two bad pages is enough for it to lear | 08:00 |
| ogra | *learn | 08:00 |
| ogra | Burgwork, should be possible iirc | 08:01 |
| ogra | Burgwork, btw, i'm planning a ltsp kiosk mode for dapper +1 .... | 08:01 |
| ogra | so you can have a library kiosk out of the box with edubuntu ... | 08:02 |
| Burgwork | very cool | 08:02 |
| Burgwork | have you looked at sabayon and pessulus? | 08:02 |
| ogra | yup | 08:02 |
| ogra | but thats something different | 08:03 |
| ogra | i dont want a desktop at all ... | 08:03 |
| ogra | a fullscreen running firefox is all you need | 08:03 |
| Burgwork | ah, epiphany has lookdown keys for this | 08:03 |
| Burgwork | lockdown | 08:03 |
| ogra | yes, but whats not these wont need lockdown ... :) | 08:03 |
| ogra | ff fullscreen as session ... and you are done ... | 08:04 |
| Burgwork | you can still close FF | 08:04 |
| Burgwork | epiphany can prevent that too | 08:04 |
| ogra | if its a session this will kill the X server | 08:04 |
| ogra | which in turn will respawn ldm and just start another autologin ... | 08:04 |
| ogra | which brings you back to ff | 08:04 |
| Burgwork | GVPL does something similar, but the closing and restarting takes a while | 08:05 |
| Burgwork | why not just prevent it entirely? | 08:05 |
| ogra | yup, indeed | 08:05 |
| ogra | because that requires hacks ... | 08:05 |
| Burgwork | hence why you would use epiphany for this | 08:05 |
| ogra | ask diziet why we dont have a 50K patch to firefox anbymore in dapper ;) | 08:05 |
| Burgwork | hmm? | 08:06 |
| ogra | epiphany will require gnome | 08:06 |
| Burgwork | true | 08:06 |
| ogra | which i dont want ... | 08:06 |
| ogra | as i said, no desktop at all ... not even installed ... | 08:06 |
| Burgwork | ah | 08:06 |
| ogra | you'll end up with a 300-500MB system on disk that can serve a whole library ... | 08:07 |
| ogra | runnig without desktop will also gain you a lot lower memory consumption | 08:08 |
| ogra | i think you could use a standard discount PC as server for 20 clients here | 08:08 |
| Burgwork | if you just run epiphany, you pull in the entire gnome stack? | 08:09 |
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| ogra | yop | 08:10 |
| Burgwork | be nice if we could create a epiphany-kiosk binary package | 08:11 |
| salem77 | What is the difference between the *domain.txt and *url.txt files? | 08:14 |
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| ERic_NL | ?me is Newbie | 08:26 |
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| ERic_NL | i have a problem installing amsn.deb | 08:44 |
| ERic_NL | i tried it with the sudo dpkg -i package_file.deb | 08:44 |
| Burgwork | and what happened? | 08:45 |
| ERic_NL | paste gave failure 2 back | 08:46 |
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| ERic_NL | isnt there a pakage manager or something with wich i easily can install | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | you are best asking in #ubuntu | 08:50 |
| Burgwork | that part of edubuntu is the same in ubuntu | 08:50 |
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| tsurc | does anyone know what the best way would be to try out LDA on Edubuntu::dapper? | 09:49 |
| ogra | use ltspfs ltspfsd and lbus and the scripts from ltsp.org | 09:50 |
| ogra | we have ltspfs and ltspfsd in dapper, but thats a slightly outdated cvs snapshot | 09:51 |
| tsurc | following the instructions from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS ? | 09:54 |
| ogra | yup | 09:55 |
| tsurc | thanks | 09:55 |
| ogra | i know the devs both use breezy for development ... even if they do their stuff more universal it should work on ubuntu | 09:55 |
| mezzapazza | does somebody know what "No matches found, authority file "-" not written" on ltspfs should mean? | 09:55 |
| ogra | nope | 09:56 |
| mezzapazza | omg.. going crazy | 09:56 |
| ogra | if sbalneav doesnt know, nobody will ;) he wrote ltspfs | 09:56 |
| ogra | try to catch him | 09:57 |
| mezzapazza | he might be sleeping :) | 09:58 |
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| ogra | unlikely... | 09:58 |
| ogra | he's on US time | 09:58 |
| tsurc | Just throwing something in from the back of my mind. Does anyone know if nic bonding on an edubuntu server will help with speed improvements/availability? | 09:59 |
| tsurc | has anyone tried this? | 09:59 |
| ogra | unlikely its worth the hassle you have with routing .... | 09:59 |
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| ogra | unless you have switches that support bonding | 10:00 |
| ogra | buying a gigabit card and having a switch with one gigabit port for the server is easier :) | 10:01 |
| ogra | and not really *this* expensive nowadays | 10:01 |
| tsurc | got a 24port10/100 with 2 GBIC the 2 GBIC | 10:01 |
| lucasvo_ | except you get all the H/W donated | 10:01 |
| tsurc | can be configured to do this | 10:02 |
| ogra | ah, thats something else ... | 10:02 |
| ogra | i once set up a bonding system between two linux machines and it was hell ... | 10:02 |
| ogra | in the end we switched to load balancing via ospf and left the HW layer alone :) | 10:03 |
| tsurc | ospf ? | 10:03 |
| ogra | but with a supported switch it should work | 10:03 |
| ogra | a routing protocol | 10:03 |
| ogra | Open Shortest Path First | 10:03 |
| tsurc | kinda makes sense | 10:04 |
| ogra | bt as well complicated to set up ... | 10:04 |
| ogra | if you have a switch supporting bonding, i'd just try it out | 10:04 |
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| tsurc | what would you recommend to balance out booting from 4 ltsp servers all running the same "hardware-addressed" dhcpd.conf. | 10:06 |
| ogra | hmm, i never tried that ... | 10:07 |
| ogra | we have a guy in #ltsp who did some stuff with openssi balancing | 10:07 |
| ogra | look for neuralis | 10:08 |
| tsurc | we rely on the fact that the one with the most load replies to dhcp requests slower........ Yeh right, not always the case. | 10:09 |
| tsurc | really need some pretty way of balancing the servers. Like ONE dhcpd server, alternating tftp servers. | 10:10 |
| ogra | you will have to script that ... | 10:10 |
| tsurc | ye ha.... really looking forward to learning how to do that..... (**bashes head against wall!**) | 10:11 |
| tsurc | oh well learning curve just got steeper. the only way is up and all that | 10:12 |
| ogra | you start with a pretty complicated setup, what do you expect :) | 10:13 |
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| tsurc | a little experience with linux....... then i get a job in a school with this. Oooooo fun ;-) | 10:14 |
| tsurc | using deb' sarge at the min, but really crave sound and lda. If i get it working i get a pay rise woo hoo | 10:16 |
| ogra | sound is working fine in dapper | 10:17 |
| ogra | afaik pere plans to backport these packages to sarge | 10:17 |
| lucasvo_ | tsurc: I am installing an ldap server as well for my openxchange, it is quite difficult | 10:20 |
| ogra | lucasvo_, he wants load balancing, a high availability solution *and* ldap :) | 10:21 |
| lucasvo_ | eine eierlegendewollmilchsau | 10:22 |
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| ogra | yup | 10:22 |
| lucasvo_ | and I want a fix ip ;) | 10:22 |
| ogra | pay for it ;) | 10:24 |
| tsurc | see ya all tomorrow, thanks for your help, everyone. i'll let you know if i get bonding going. wish me luck | 10:25 |
| lucasvo_ | cu | 10:25 |
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