[12:14] does anyone know the chat address for discussing dapper. Printing doesn'tt work with x86_64 === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === KRUTOY [n=KRUTOY@24-158-1-210.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:28] Hey [02:28] It's my first time here, lol === KRUTOY [n=KRUTOY@24-158-1-210.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #edubuntu [] === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.213] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Adalwulf [n=Adalwulf@dialup-4.226.136.98.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === robbies [i=robbies@ip72-195-133-138.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbies] : nigger! === robbies is now known as robbies_ === robbies_ is now known as robbiez === ..[topic/#edubuntu:robbiez] : FUCK GENTOO!!! NIGGERS ARE DIRTY!!! [03:46] wtf topic? [03:46] ogra, ! 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[03:47] jane_, ! the topic ! === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.133.220] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o ogra] by ChanServ === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: March 08 at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Flight 4 it out ! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-4/ === robbiez was kicked off #edubuntu by ogra (ogra) === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.22] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-71-87-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu === rafael [n=rafael@200-70-160-163.mrse.com.ar] has joined #edubuntu [06:05] hello [06:06] bye === rafael [n=rafael@200-70-160-163.mrse.com.ar] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === sophie^ [n=student@210.5.70.229] has joined #edubuntu [07:05] hi just a question, is schooltool required in init? what is its purpose? [07:06] is it safe to have it removed? === jane_ is now known as JaneW === clinton [n=clinton@S0106000f3d4a3125.no.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:31] hi === clinton [n=clinton@S0106000f3d4a3125.no.shawcable.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === CuriousCat [n=CuriousC@203.177.88.26] has joined #edubuntu === Dupliwulf [n=Adalwulf@dialup-4.226.135.15.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === alejandro [n=alejandr@137.Red-80-25-49.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === jdumont [n=jdumont@64.46.3.231.novuscom.net] has joined #edubuntu === jdumont [n=jdumont@64.46.3.231.novuscom.net] has left #edubuntu [] === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:01] ogra, with a fresh ltsp installation in ubuntu, I have some advices: [11:01] install: cannot create regular file `/opt/ltsp/pkg_cache/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts': No such file or directory [11:01] install: cannot create regular file `/opt/ltsp/data/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts': No such file or directory [11:03] You need to check the files in ltsp-update-sshkeys. [11:06] uuh, why do you have this many dirs in /opt/ltsp [11:06] (agreed, i'll look into it) [11:09] but it does no harm as long as you dont have a etc/ssh tree in one of the subdirs :) [11:09] its just noisy [11:12] no, I cleaned /opt/ltsp/i386 and run in a fresh ubuntu dapper, the client script. [11:12] anyway nice work, it's awesome. [11:13] it's very frustating to try to install a program in a LTSP 4.x environment [11:17] yes :) [11:18] but they boot in 29seconds (taken with a stopwatch including the BIOS) ... we'll never reach such speed :) [11:18] and they have a way smaller memory footprint, with swap server, ltsp 4.1 boots on 20MB [11:19] (i'd be happy about 32M :) ) [11:28] ogra, i have teste dapper at the weekend with 2 thinclients, and the thinclients have 128MB RAM but it was very slow on the thinclients [11:29] vesa driver ? [11:29] yes [11:29] i think so [11:29] its the driver [11:29] ah [11:29] not the client [11:29] so i should test an other driver [11:29] vesa is 100% unaccelerated :) [11:29] i run it with the rangee thinclients [11:29] in chemnitz [11:30] i didnt find any driver apart from vesa that works with the rangees ... [11:30] (but i didnt look very close i must admit) [11:30] if i find time on cebit i will test other driver === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:31] this was gcompris [11:32] if i start it x restarts [11:39] file a bug, i have no such problems here ... === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:04] hoi ogra, just checking if the new schooltool packages were working for you? [12:04] not yet [12:04] some dependency is missing ... [12:04] i'm about to look at it ... [12:04] ok, let me know, there may be something I can do... === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [12:14] ogra, then Maecow is slower? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:03] ogra: hi [01:03] hey highvoltage [01:04] i have a weird problem with ldm [01:04] i wrote the ltsp gui installer for LTSPManager on the weekend :) [01:04] (theme-wise) [01:04] oh ? [01:04] o kewl :) [01:05] yes, if i change the background colour to a darkish blue, (or other colour) I get a white stripe on the right side corner of the screen. [01:05] is that white stripe a known bug? [01:05] my theme is available here, fwiw, http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/tuxlab.tar [01:05] hmm [01:06] i havent seen that yet [01:06] what screensize is that ? [01:06] (resolution) [01:06] 1024x768 [01:06] hmm, nope, dont have that here [01:06] 1024x786, 800x600, and 1280x800 work here [01:07] file a bug if you like, i'll look into it [01:07] strange. perhaps i tweak something elsewhere that broke it :) [01:08] not really, you would have to tweak the gtk code of the greeter itself [01:08] size and position of the theme are computed from the screensize [01:10] ok. i'll take a photo of it tonight and send it through. perhaps it's something that will come up again. [01:10] oh yes, the stripe isn't always white. it's the same colour as the bar at the bottom. [01:22] ogra: othersiwe, how are things? [01:24] fine :) === spacey [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === jsglaptop [n=jsg@125.212.126.102] has joined #edubuntu [02:20] ogra: hmm, I had a look at schooltool, it appears the source package is in the archive, but no debs. and I cannot find a build log anywhere. === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D45C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] jinty: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/173652 [02:24] crimsun, already solved [02:25] the next build attempt should work, twisted-web2 wasnt in main until today [02:25] ogra_: just answering his question regarding not being able to find a build log [02:25] ah [02:28] crimsun: thanks a lot, nice to be able to find these things in the future === sankarshan is now known as sm|away [02:56] orga: schooltool builds will still fail because zope3 is still uninstallable in dapper. it depends on python2.4-pullparser and python2.4-clientform (at least). All of these are in debian. [02:57] yup [02:57] afaik doko already requested the sync [02:57] i'll make sure i dont remember wrong [02:57] ok, just making sure that schooltool doesn't get lost in the beaurocracy somewhere;) [02:58] jinty, its one of my killer apps :) [02:58] dont worry, we wont release without working schooltool :) === neurogeek [n=neurogee@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [03:17] it would be a travesty [03:18] yes === jinty is just a little paranoid at times:) === ERic_ [n=chatzill@dsl61-74-100.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:23] hallo, how can i get a standalone edubuntu [03:23] ? === Terniwulf [n=Adalwulf@dialup-4.253.71.80.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:23] standalone edubuntu ? [03:24] do you mean a workstation install ? [03:24] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes [03:24] ty [03:25] ogra: i assume the workstation install won't have compiz running like Ubuntu? === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [03:26] highvoltage, what makes you think ubuntu could have compiz installed ?? === ERic_ is now known as ERic_NL [03:26] thats crappy unstable stuff [03:26] we'll surely not release it in main yet === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [03:27] ok, good. i read about people using it on dapper, and then i saw some screen shots of compiz on an ubuntu live cd, so i was afraid it's being distributed with ubuntu already *shew* [03:28] nope, its in universe [03:29] its way too unstable and requires everyone to have a beefy card [03:30] its the future ... [03:30] but its far from being ready [03:30] i thought aiglx is better designed? [03:30] yeah, somehow i just got the impression that it's going to be in dapper, so i immeditely though of asking here :) [03:30] sorry, been a long day [03:30] heh [03:31] we could have beaten all distros if we have a working xgl+compiz from install [03:31] no problem :) dont worry, we dont release crappy stuff :) [03:31] cool. so LDM will work much nicer at release? === highvoltage ducks === mezzapazza [n=glitch@83-131-175-210.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] :P [03:31] lol [03:31] hi [03:32] i ddint plan big changes on ldm :) [03:32] :) [03:32] hi mezzapazza [03:32] does somebody have idea why ltspfsd runs toughly as root on edubuntu? [03:33] the daemon should, yes [03:33] uups [03:33] s/root/nobody [03:34] does the ltsp.org wiki show anything ? [03:35] i followed the document, installed ltspfsd from the package [03:35] but it runs as nobody, so it doesn't work [03:36] even if i try to run as root manually, it runs as nobody [03:36] bye, #edubuntu [03:36] and strace output doesn't show anything interesting [03:37] sorry, i didnt do much testing with it after we postponed localdevice support to next release [03:39] do you have an idea how could i force it to run as root? [03:39] is it intended to run as root ? [03:39] i'd ask in #ltsp, sbalneav is the guy you want === vincenzio [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:44] i there the possibility for a blank password [03:44] *is there [03:49] yes, it should run as root, othervise it cannot mount devices [03:49] sure ... you dont need to be root to use pmount :) === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.22] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.22] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [04:39] ogra: i've been thinking about what you said about sessions in LDM [04:39] yup [04:39] ogra: couldn't you make a symbolic link from the main filesystem and get the information from there? [04:39] nope [04:39] we'll have an easy configurable file in the chroot ... [04:39] thats not the problem .... [04:40] ok, so you'll at least be able to set a default session for all the users? [04:40] what i want is that you can add *any* PC running sshd in your network to be a server [04:40] you cant get this data simply out of the network ... [04:40] oh, that would be fantastic. [04:41] i can do a default session that gets created during install and just uses the loacl data from the server in the chroot ... [04:41] bnut beyond that, you will need to add other sessions manually [04:41] other sessions? so a user would still be able to choose? [04:41] then, yes ... [04:42] if you have only a default session, there is no need for a chooser :) [04:43] :) [04:43] the code is already in ldm, its just commented until i can automate it ... [04:43] which wont happen in dapper ... [04:45] where can i find the layout for the LDM login screen? i think you said it's a gtk-based layout? [04:46] does it have something to do with /usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/gtk ? [04:47] its the glade file in this directory ... [04:47] together with the gtk binary === dsaa [i=dsaa@210.213.90.205] has joined #edubuntu [04:50] see ya guys, have fun :) [04:51] have fun [04:51] bye jsgotangco [04:54] ogra: is there anything particular in edubuntu that requires further testing? [04:56] egh. gcompris just exited by itself, leaving my resolution at 800x600 [04:57] you are the second person reporting that, can you file a bug and assign it to me ? [04:57] yes [04:57] thanks [04:57] :) === ERic_NL thinks that it takes long to install edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [05:06] it does. then again, if you watch while anything installs it takes too long. [05:07] it takes pretty exactly 10 min longer than ubuntu :) [05:07] really? wow. when i stared at my computer building the ltsp chroot it felt much longer than that :) [05:07] (unless you do a install that pulls a lot of language packs from tha web) [05:07] highvoltage, from the iso ? [05:08] ogra: yep [05:08] ogra: how do i assign a bug to you in launchpad? i can't find a link that says so. [05:08] (bug is created, i just need to assign) [05:08] give me the bugnumber, i'll grab it [05:09] (if you click on the package name you can edit bug details) [05:09] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gcompris/+bug/33898 [05:09] thanks :) [05:10] my pleasure [05:12] ogra: will ktouch have pre-loaded lesson plans in final release? [05:12] do we have a package with these ? [05:13] an apt-cache search ktouch suggests that we don't :/ [05:14] k12ltsp has some preconfigured lessons, but after feature freeze it's probably too late to repackage that for edubuntu, right? [05:14] if its only data, i can probably get it in [05:14] but mind you, we dont have space at all ... it *must* be a small package [05:15] the CD sits at 694MB ... the end is at 695 ... [05:15] ok, i'll get a copy of k12-ltsp installed before the end of the week and extract that data. even if we just get a basic lesson, i think it would be an improvement. and i'm sure a basic lesson would come in at <50KB [05:16] geez, that's living on the edge! [05:16] yep [05:16] what if the average package size increases by 10K by the next release? [05:16] should we keep a room open at the hospital for you then? :P [05:16] we'll drop more stuff [05:17] there is still openoffice firefox evolution and gnome we can drop ... [05:17] ;) [05:17] :) [05:18] nad the kernel ... that even solves the problem of kernel selection for smp ;) [05:18] scribus is under the Office and the Graphics menu. is this intended to be so? [05:18] i think so ... [05:18] its done upstream ... not my fault :) [05:18] do we really need kino, serpentime, and sound juicer? [05:19] cutting those should save some space. [05:19] serpentine takes about 200k [05:19] sound juicer is essential for copying CDs ... [05:20] kino would be a candidate with 1.1M, but it has a wide userbase ... [05:20] and the 1M isnt really saving our butts [05:21] yep [05:21] dropping the KDE stuff would gain us 50-100M [05:21] probably more [05:22] we don't really need replacements for all the kde-edu software. there's only a few of them that's really widely used. [05:22] i agree ... [05:22] ktuberling, kturtle, kanagram, kalzium, khangman, kstars. the rest are more trivial [05:23] rather some more scientific gnome apps [05:23] kturtle is the nicest turtle program i've seen on linux yet. gcompris kind of gives you a lot of the rest. [05:25] how does ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu live together in launchpad? or don't they yet? launchpad only gave me the option to log a bug in ubuntu or baltix [05:25] is it because ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu packages are essentially identical? [05:26] yup [05:27] baltix is a real derivative, devloped externally [05:27] and they use launchpad? nice. [05:33] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ [05:34] new screenshots ^^^ [05:34] ogra: can i connect to my gnome session on another computer, like i would with Xnest and xdmcp? === highvoltage looks at screenshots (might take a while to download though) [05:34] you men to a running session ? [05:34] *mean [05:35] not necassarily. a new session is fine too. [05:35] ssh -X user@ip gnome-session [05:35] should work with any ubuntu since warty [05:36] (indeed you need to execute that from a running x server) [05:36] (you could run ldm in xnest and have a "virtual ltsp client" [05:36] ) [05:37] that's very weird [05:37] my remote session runs over my current one [05:37] what i find interesting is, the panel that runs remotely shows my apps running locally in the task list. [05:37] heh [05:37] thats clearly a bug [05:38] similar to this one http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94049 [05:38] ltsp manager looks nice. does it use lts.conf, or do you try to avoid the lts.conf file? [05:38] it will use lts.conf [05:38] don't you think we should have an example lts.conf file? [05:39] yup [05:39] we have one already === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.22] has joined #edubuntu [05:39] but it should reflect the right ltsp ;) [05:39] ok, flight4 didn't have it [05:39] yep :) [05:39] and probably we should install it in the docs on the server not on the client ;) [05:39] are you putting comments in it, explaining how to use it? [05:39] i have a small one that i've started on so far [05:40] meant for the edubuntu's running in tuxlabs. [05:40] right :) [05:40] thats what i wanted to have in the edubuntu docs ... [05:40] i thought adding it to your tech/hardware doc ... [05:41] have a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/ [05:41] heh. if i press alt+f2 it brings me both my remote and local run dialog [05:41] yes, gnome still has some way to go with that :) [05:41] but having icons and themes if you are logged in multiple times is already a good start :) === highvoltage nods head [05:42] i'm thinking about a kiosk mode on ltsp level for dapper+1 ... [05:42] there i'll surely need to fix such stuff [05:43] yep [05:43] the kiosk mode should be a hit [05:43] yup# [05:44] especially if you only have to check a checkbox in LTSPManager to get a fully set up internet cafe installation :) [05:45] hehe [05:45] can i send you my sample lts.conf file? [05:46] hmm ... that could even go further and become a CD install option ... all you need is a minimal setup and install ltsp-server-standalone and firefox on it ... [05:46] yup [05:46] you wont need X or a desktop ... [05:47] the clients just start firefox fullscreen in their X server ... started by a ldm autologin ... [05:47] nice [05:48] put in the edubuntu CD ... wait 30min, adjust dhcpd.conf, restart dhcpd, bott the clients... done :) [05:48] you can do a fully set up internet cafe install in 1h :) [05:48] i recommend 192.168.0.254 to everyone, that way they don't need to edit dhcpd.conf [05:49] do you think we'll keep that recommendation for the edubuntu docs? [05:49] why not [05:49] kewl :) [05:49] its good to keep predictable defaults i think [05:49] if people are used to it we shouldnt confuse them [05:49] yep, especially for people who don't even know what an IP address is. [05:50] yes, i like keeping it more or less in line with k12ltsp and other similar distro's, if possible. [05:51] that as well ... its very helpful for people who want to switch distros [05:51] is it possible to run local apps on the clients yet? or do we need an ssh server running on the clients for that? [05:52] you'll have to fiddle with xhost etc and will need ip forwarding on the server if you want net access [05:52] net access within the locally running client? ok. i understand. [05:53] if you'd run firefox locally, the client needs acess to the net :) [05:53] is that documented somewhere, do you think it's likely that it could be made to work automatically in dapper+1? [05:53] yes :) [05:54] luckily ip forwarding is easy to set up these days. and since all the clients get their info from dhcp, specifying name server / gateway is easy. [05:54] thats quite tricky ... [05:54] you break security with the xhost stuff .... [05:54] ah. [05:54] you'll need iptables and set up nat on the server ... [05:55] my smtp server is a bit dodgy. i've uploaded the file here: http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/lts.conf [05:55] its not as easy as it seems ... [05:55] you tested the per host settings in lts.conf and it worked ? [05:56] yes, it worked fine. [05:56] wow [05:56] :) [05:56] i didnt even test it yet [05:56] note that X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL and X_MOUSE_DEVICE are only used for serial mice in ubuntu ... [05:57] all other pointing devices are detected automatiaclly [05:57] right. i just kept it there so that's its easy to change [05:57] so /dev/psaux shouldnt be in the examples [05:58] although, serial mice are so 90's, that example can just as well be dropped, your'e right. [05:58] i also have a list of supported protocols i wanted to add [05:58] noo [05:58] ogra: http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/ipt2 [05:58] i got that script off the gentoo wiki [05:58] i've put quite a lot of effort to get serial mice right for dapper, its a feature [05:58] we shouldnt hide it :) [05:58] i want to create a gtk dialog where you can edit what's called LAN and WAN in that script [05:59] so that administrators can easily set up 'internet sharing' [05:59] yup, makes sense [05:59] default dhcpd should make nameserver and gateway 192.168.0.254 (or whatever server is) [05:59] then the internet connection sharing would be a snap [06:00] currently its .10 i think ... [06:00] or .1 [06:00] i think it's .1 === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-206-144.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] JaneW: wb [06:02] # Modified for LTSP under Ubuntu by Jonathan Carter [06:02] highvoltage, ubuntu.org ? [06:02] oh, right. ubuntu.com. [06:02] :) === highvoltage isn't used to having a .com e-mail address [06:02] :) === ogra has .com .net and .org addresses :) === sm|away is now known as sankarshan [06:03] just no .de [06:03] brb- dinner === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === surfdude [n=leon@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [06:27] lol === surfdude is now known as highvoltage === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === C-O-L-T [n=hunika@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [06:50] salut highvoltage [06:51] Burgwork: salut burgendavia? [06:51] yep [06:51] how are things? [06:54] good [06:55] just starting a project to recycle computers and install Ubuntu on them [06:55] nice. using them as thin clients? [06:55] depends on the age, mostly standalone [06:57] how are you going to do authentication? ldap? [06:58] mostly the computers are going to sold/donated to people and go into their homes [06:58] ah, ok. [06:59] i'm quite excited about edubuntu 6.04. i'm looking forward to its release. [06:59] i do wish that ldm had better theming support, but it at least this time it *has* theme support, so i guess i shouldn't complain that much :) [07:00] (and it was even ready for breezy, i didnt touch the code through dapper at all) === highvoltage didn't realise that [07:03] mdz didnt allow the inclusion ... i was to late in the release cycle [07:03] ogra: how difficult would it be to be able to add a background image, that's stretched to the screen? [07:04] a "wallpaper", in other words. [07:04] i think LTSPManager will be similar ... should be ready as soon as dapper+1 opens :) [07:04] does dapper+1 have a name yet? [07:04] i had this before, it eats a lot of bootspeed to render it [07:04] nope [07:05] probably not more than a second per thin client? [07:05] just replace the background.png file with something that fullscreen [07:05] that causes the image to be misplaced, it doesn't fit the screen === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [07:06] if you change background.png to 1024x768, and open LDM on a 1024x768 screen, the image is more to the top left than it should be [07:06] hrm [07:09] ogra: have you tried it? [07:10] not since i changed the image, no === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [07:21] goodnight, ogra [07:22] bye Burgwork [07:22] night === pirast [n=pirast@p508B27AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === salem77 [n=salem77@pool-68-239-11-226.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:31] Hello [07:31] hi [07:31] I have a question about edubuntu and its filtering software Dansguardian. [07:32] edubuntu has no particular filtering software ... [07:32] really? [07:32] really ... [07:32] I was told it did [07:32] Have you heard of Dansguardian? [07:32] we have packages for dansguardian and squidguard available ... [07:33] ok [07:33] but neither is included by default [07:33] i'm trying to get willow ready for the october release [07:33] http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/ [07:33] so we'll likely include this then ... [07:34] My question was reguarding using this as a content filtering for a 30 computer network and whether it would be a viable solution [07:34] sure [07:35] currently you only have the choice bretween three apps which are equally good/bad [07:35] Currently I have all MS [07:35] dansguardian and squidguard are pretty similar apps [07:35] privoxy is a bit easier to handle but less powerfull [07:39] So these would allow me to implement a filtering system for the entire network? === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu [07:40] yup [07:40] you just need to force your web traffic through the filter indeed [07:41] ok sounds like I will consider this. Thanks I am going to read up on these. [07:42] be sure it will be solved in future releases ... its very high on my todo list ... [07:42] many people ask for it ... [07:51] ogra, can willow do whitelists? [07:54] yup [07:54] white, black and colored ones :) [07:55] I was just reading up on williow. Sites that are neither "badpages" or "goodpages" are they allowed by default? [07:55] they will go through the bayesian filter ... [07:56] (read spam filter) [07:56] so they dont get in unfiltered ... === pirast [n=pirast@p508B27AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [07:59] ok I am more concerned about blocking. but I don't want to have to add all the allowed pages into "goodpages" [07:59] thats why willow is so great ... [08:00] it uses a bayesian filter like a spam filter does ... parses the contents by the spam rules and filters quite intelligent .. [08:00] ogra, so I can have the web browser be only allowed to go a single website? (ie, for a card catalogue for a library) [08:00] letting it parse one or two bad pages is enough for it to lear [08:00] *learn [08:01] Burgwork, should be possible iirc [08:01] Burgwork, btw, i'm planning a ltsp kiosk mode for dapper +1 .... [08:02] so you can have a library kiosk out of the box with edubuntu ... [08:02] very cool [08:02] have you looked at sabayon and pessulus? [08:02] yup [08:03] but thats something different [08:03] i dont want a desktop at all ... [08:03] a fullscreen running firefox is all you need [08:03] ah, epiphany has lookdown keys for this [08:03] lockdown [08:03] yes, but whats not these wont need lockdown ... :) [08:04] ff fullscreen as session ... and you are done ... [08:04] you can still close FF [08:04] epiphany can prevent that too [08:04] if its a session this will kill the X server [08:04] which in turn will respawn ldm and just start another autologin ... [08:04] which brings you back to ff [08:05] GVPL does something similar, but the closing and restarting takes a while [08:05] why not just prevent it entirely? [08:05] yup, indeed [08:05] because that requires hacks ... [08:05] hence why you would use epiphany for this [08:05] ask diziet why we dont have a 50K patch to firefox anbymore in dapper ;) [08:06] hmm? [08:06] epiphany will require gnome [08:06] true [08:06] which i dont want ... [08:06] as i said, no desktop at all ... not even installed ... [08:06] ah [08:07] you'll end up with a 300-500MB system on disk that can serve a whole library ... [08:08] runnig without desktop will also gain you a lot lower memory consumption [08:08] i think you could use a standard discount PC as server for 20 clients here [08:09] if you just run epiphany, you pull in the entire gnome stack? === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [08:10] yop [08:11] be nice if we could create a epiphany-kiosk binary package [08:14] What is the difference between the *domain.txt and *url.txt files? === erez [n=erez@85-250-237-106.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #edubuntu === erez [n=erez@85-250-237-106.bb.netvision.net.il] has left #edubuntu [] === ERic_NL [n=ERic_NL@dsl61-74-100.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #edubuntu [08:26] ?me is Newbie === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084FC5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:44] i have a problem installing amsn.deb [08:44] i tried it with the sudo dpkg -i package_file.deb [08:45] and what happened? [08:46] paste gave failure 2 back === ERic_NL is newbie [08:47] isnt there a pakage manager or something with wich i easily can install [08:50] you are best asking in #ubuntu [08:50] that part of edubuntu is the same in ubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === Terniwulf [n=Adalwulf@dialup-4.226.135.26.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === MotherLUG [n=karin@29.124.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === gibbbbbbb [i=gib@cpc3-hudd6-0-0-cust62.hudd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === tsurc [n=alistair@tsurc.force9.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [09:49] does anyone know what the best way would be to try out LDA on Edubuntu::dapper? [09:50] use ltspfs ltspfsd and lbus and the scripts from ltsp.org [09:51] we have ltspfs and ltspfsd in dapper, but thats a slightly outdated cvs snapshot [09:54] following the instructions from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS ? [09:55] yup [09:55] thanks [09:55] i know the devs both use breezy for development ... even if they do their stuff more universal it should work on ubuntu [09:55] does somebody know what "No matches found, authority file "-" not written" on ltspfs should mean? [09:56] nope [09:56] omg.. going crazy [09:56] if sbalneav doesnt know, nobody will ;) he wrote ltspfs [09:57] try to catch him [09:58] he might be sleeping :) === coolio_za [n=hilton@196.207.45.254] has joined #edubuntu [09:58] unlikely... [09:58] he's on US time [09:59] Just throwing something in from the back of my mind. Does anyone know if nic bonding on an edubuntu server will help with speed improvements/availability? [09:59] has anyone tried this? [09:59] unlikely its worth the hassle you have with routing .... === coolio_za [n=hilton@196.207.45.254] has left #edubuntu [] === signifer123 [n=michael@pool-141-157-84-203.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:00] unless you have switches that support bonding [10:01] buying a gigabit card and having a switch with one gigabit port for the server is easier :) [10:01] and not really *this* expensive nowadays [10:01] got a 24port10/100 with 2 GBIC the 2 GBIC [10:01] except you get all the H/W donated [10:02] can be configured to do this [10:02] ah, thats something else ... [10:02] i once set up a bonding system between two linux machines and it was hell ... [10:03] in the end we switched to load balancing via ospf and left the HW layer alone :) [10:03] ospf ? [10:03] but with a supported switch it should work [10:03] a routing protocol [10:03] Open Shortest Path First [10:04] kinda makes sense [10:04] bt as well complicated to set up ... [10:04] if you have a switch supporting bonding, i'd just try it out === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu [10:06] what would you recommend to balance out booting from 4 ltsp servers all running the same "hardware-addressed" dhcpd.conf. [10:07] hmm, i never tried that ... [10:07] we have a guy in #ltsp who did some stuff with openssi balancing [10:08] look for neuralis [10:09] we rely on the fact that the one with the most load replies to dhcp requests slower........ Yeh right, not always the case. [10:10] really need some pretty way of balancing the servers. Like ONE dhcpd server, alternating tftp servers. [10:10] you will have to script that ... [10:11] ye ha.... really looking forward to learning how to do that..... (**bashes head against wall!**) [10:12] oh well learning curve just got steeper. the only way is up and all that [10:13] you start with a pretty complicated setup, what do you expect :) === gibbbbbbb [i=gib@cpc3-hudd6-0-0-cust62.hudd.cable.ntl.com] has left #edubuntu [] [10:14] a little experience with linux....... then i get a job in a school with this. Oooooo fun ;-) [10:16] using deb' sarge at the min, but really crave sound and lda. If i get it working i get a pay rise woo hoo [10:17] sound is working fine in dapper [10:17] afaik pere plans to backport these packages to sarge [10:20] tsurc: I am installing an ldap server as well for my openxchange, it is quite difficult [10:21] lucasvo_, he wants load balancing, a high availability solution *and* ldap :) [10:22] eine eierlegendewollmilchsau === lucasvo_ too [10:22] yup [10:22] and I want a fix ip ;) [10:24] pay for it ;) [10:25] see ya all tomorrow, thanks for your help, everyone. i'll let you know if i get bonding going. wish me luck [10:25] cu === tsurc [n=alistair@tsurc.force9.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Terniwulf [n=Adalwulf@dialup-4.226.60.114.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === strusberg [n=strusber@200.93.35.152] has joined #edubuntu